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  Sensible Limit for Smoking, Driving

Posted by CN Staff on January 18, 2012 at 16:19:32 PT
Denver Post Editorial 
Source: Denver Post 

Denver -- The Colorado legislature is expected to consider the issue of driving while stoned again this year, and this time we hope lawmakers don't allow the medical marijuana lobby to blow smoke in their eyes.Last year's show was embarrassing to watch, and lawmakers' lack of action constituted a failure to protect the public. Sen. Steve King, R-Grand Junction, said he is leaning toward proposing a zero-tolerance bill.
That is to say, if drivers are found to have in their systems any amount of THC, the psychoactive substance in marijuana, they'd be busted. While a dozen other states have such zero-tolerance measures, we think that's too harsh. King, who has been in law enforcement for three decades, has good intentions. He is trying to protect the public after so frequently seeing the death and destruction caused by impaired driving.However, we would rather see lawmakers take another run at the 5 nanogram limit that was supported last year by a diverse group including defense lawyers, prosecutors and medical marijuana interests.Study after study has shown marijuana use causes driving impairment. This time around, we hope state lawmakers don't listen to the fervent marijuana users who say they drive perfectly fine — even better — when they're high. Maybe they think they do, but they don't. The rest of the driving public should not be endangered to indulge their stoner fantasies. SnippedComplete Article: The GCWSource: Denver Post (CO)Published: January 18, 2012Copyright: 2012 The Denver Post Website: openforum denverpost.comCannabisNews  -- Cannabis Archives 

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Comment #34 posted by rchandar on January 27, 2012 at 13:42:19 PT:
John Walsh
The only justification he has is that he wants to keep marijuana in the hands of criminals, so marijuana remains a crime.There's no real basis anymore. Drug-free people commit violent crimes at a comparable rate. Perhaps it is the illusion of security that we've all gotten addicted to.
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Comment #33 posted by The GCW on January 22, 2012 at 11:57:49 PT
US CO: More Letters Coming To Mmj Dispensaries, US Attorney
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on January 22, 2012 at 08:53:35 PT
You're welcome.
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Comment #31 posted by museman on January 22, 2012 at 08:32:18 PT

It happened again! Please remove redundant post? thnx
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Comment #29 posted by museman on January 22, 2012 at 08:31:05 PT

William Wallace
was obviously a dirty (but not so much a pacifist) hippy! 
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Comment #28 posted by museman on January 22, 2012 at 08:23:26 PT

It takes a brave heart to stand WITHOUT COMPROMISE, WITHOUT CAPITULATION to illustrate to all the not-so-brave hearts that FREEDOM is not a commodity. It is not a gift from rulers, or a 'law' that needs to be enforced. It is not a government of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy, it is a state of being, either embraced, or denied by the heart and soul of every person.The willingness to compromise with error - in William's case it was a simple despot whose belief in 'divine ordination' justified his cruelty and misuse of power- is the defeat of true freedom. Any capitulation with corruption is like allowing just a wee bit of mold on your bread before you eat it -the entire loaf is compromised and poisoned.The concept isn't so hard to grasp, I wouldn't think. It's just fearful people who are too lazy to change, and too programmed to try, so they conjure up all manner of justifications, similar in flavor to the many stupid tactics of prohibitionists, like 'protect the children.' -even though the children really need protection from them! And the really despicable ones attack through social ostracism, economic prejudice, and 'political correctness' to discredit and disarm the speakers of truth.There's no way that the teeming masses are going to wake up in time to save our civilization entirely. What we do manage to save in the next decade or so is directly proportionate to the amount of cognizant awareness that is achieved by those few thousands who are awake and awakening.If the ground you stand upon is not liberated than you are a slave. I guarantee that every place William Wallace ever stood was free ground - until they took him out. But Scotland was never conquered. And Williams refusal to give in to wrongness, all the way to his dying breath gave all of the Scots an understanding of freedom that most Americans, regardless of their so-called 'patriotism' have never had.and so I proclaim loudly as I can (though I am no BraveHeart)LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #27 posted by runruff on January 21, 2012 at 22:52:15 PT

That one reason?
William Wallace spoke for me when, with his dying breath he spoke one word to power. One word that send shivers up the spines of the power brokers and monarchs of the world. One word: FREEDOM!
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Comment #26 posted by runruff on January 21, 2012 at 22:45:41 PT

It's the money!
No, it's the power. Wait, it is the power and the money!How many industries thrive and are wildly successful due to no competition? It's major competitors being hemp and solar. Congress helps in keeping solar down and, well we all know the plight of the super-plant.contributors to congress and to our worst of the worst bureaucrats.Alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals,petroleum,the insurance companies,the cop industry, the people caging industry...All together [collectively] they are making billions everyday in profits and maintaining a strong power base with hard to manufacture products like refined oil and [faux]medications, which make it impossible for the wealth of our nation to grow laterally en-mass instead of vertically for just a few. This is my answer to all the wall street woes that the OWSers speaking about.I have been smoking sticky herb and driving for 40 years at least. My Dear Wife smokes to relieve he migraines. She smokes and drives often. My Wife and have perfect driving records. I blemished my driving record back in the early 70s with a DUI alcohol. Very stupid. I have not had a drink of alcohol or a driving ticket since.Just a note, It has been 16 years since California started mmj and they fed corporate puppets still have not let up. even though the big-pharm is loosing billions in mmj states already, the DEA is commissioned to try and slow the financial bleeding in those states. This is how I see the DEA as the worst institutional state supported crime organization in the world. They have morphed into the American KGB and blatantly reward themselves with millions if not billions of confiscated drug money. A strong arm para-military police force being used a lot the same as the early Roman Praetorian Guard. All criminal governments need a Praetorian Guard to protect it from the people who refuse to stay asleep.So many billions of reasons for so many capital minded magnates to perpetrate this ruse. We have but one reason to throw off the chains of greed governmental plutocracy.
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Comment #25 posted by afterburner on January 21, 2012 at 09:02:46 PT

The GCW #24 - link
Two comments worth sharing from the article at Denver Post:1. {
This is absurd and insane when put INTO context: there are Wal-Greens near schools. There are also 7-11s, Quicky Marts, etc etc etc ... almost ALL of which sell alcohol and cigarettes and other tobacco products, none of which are medicinal.This is a decoy and a ruse to confuse people over why and how marijuana became into the medical category. The FDA is NOT your friend. And WE are not children. WE are the majority population and we will not tolerate further attacks on common sense health care.What about coffee??? Should teachers be allowed to indulge in something that clearly causes them to be grouchy and unstable?
etcetcetc.Next they will be outlawing Chamomille tea, which, by the way, makes me sick. So does Red Bull. So do many other things. Like herbicides, but those are used everywhere. Including schools.Get a grip, folks, time to grow up.Stand up, don't cower from the lawyers and those who would pad their pockets at the expense of health. Don't be afraid.
Schools and marijuana clinics should not be considered this way. It is no different than a minor emergency clinic near a school. Or a 7-11.
}2. {
Cannabis is a 5,000 year old tried and true non-toxic treatment for a host of conditions, including spinal cord injury.Legalizing Cannabis for adult consumption is the reasonable solution - Underage consumption is the major problem with our 'medical' dispensaries - regulating Cannabis like alcohol will correct this corruption.The DEA and US Attorney Walsh are enforcing the Laws of America. The cause of this massive 'unreasonable' search and seizure that has created the world's largest prison population and created a generation of prescription junkies are politicians like Colorado Senator Michael Bennet and Texas Represenative Lamar Smith and other corrupted policy makers who refuse to reconsider the gross injustice inflicted upon America's present and future economy and environment by sending us cannabis smokers to prison instead of college.Tell Senator Bennet and your Congress Person to BE WISE - LEGALIZE
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Comment #24 posted by The GCW on January 21, 2012 at 06:20:05 PT

US CO: EDITORIAL: More confusion over marijuana
Pubdate: 21 Jan. 2012
Source: Denver Post (CO)

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on January 20, 2012 at 20:29:09 PT

You're welcome. It didn't deserve to be posted as an individual article. The children's issues are not adult issues is how I see it. Using kids to control adults is really wrong.
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Comment #22 posted by HempWorld on January 20, 2012 at 20:05:10 PT

Thanks, FoM!
Yes, we all know, it's about the children... (not)Now, where is that Rand study that concluded the opposite, from real empirical research. Ya know, the real thing, not something that John Walsh has stuck in his brain.Oh yeah, it was 'withdrawn.'
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on January 20, 2012 at 18:49:32 PT

U.S. Attorney John Walsh Justifies Crackdown
U.S. Attorney John Walsh Justifies Federal Crackdown on Medical-Marijuana ShopsJanuary 20, 2012Colorado -- U.S. Attorney John Walsh said Thursday evidence that medical marijuana is having a detrimental impact on Colorado kids spurred his decision to crack down on dispensaries near schools.Walsh, in the strongest federal action against dispensaries in Colorado to date, sent letters last week to 23 dispensaries within 1,000 feet of schools. The letters ordered the dispensaries to close by Feb. 27 or face potential criminal prosecution or seizure of assets, even though those dispensaries are operating in compliance with state law.On Thursday, Walsh said state law plays a part in deciding how to use his prosecutorial discretion with medical- marijuana businesses, which are strictly illegal under federal law. But Walsh said protection of important federal interests takes precedence."One of those interests, without question, is protecting drug-free zones around schools," he said.Walsh said his office is working to identify any other dispensaries near schools and said the crackdown may extend to other types of medical-marijuana businesses — such as cultivation operations — that are close to schools.Complete Article:
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Comment #20 posted by afterburner on January 20, 2012 at 09:22:55 PT

Good to hear from you again, bro!
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on January 19, 2012 at 22:04:33 PT

So good to see you, man! Still the quickest draw in the West, North, South, and East with the driving studies!It's good to see you're still alive, too, Compadre! Very good!
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Comment #18 posted by Paint with light on January 19, 2012 at 19:18:29 PT

Steve DeAngelo
Thanks to a link posted here I was able to watch all four episodes of "Weed Wars".It bothered me that Steve doesn't think people should use cannabis just to "get high".Yet, it showed him "medicating" just to help himself pick out a tie.I really hate self-righteous people.I have always said I see cannabis being utilized in three ways.First, as the product hemp for industrial purposes.Second, medical, for people to use as a medicine.Third, as a safer alternative to alcohol.I think Steve is doing a lot of good for those that need cannabis as a medicine.But he is splitting the movement up and harming the eventual legalization by taking the stand he is taking.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #17 posted by museman on January 19, 2012 at 18:52:05 PT

That 'spirit' has a name. It has a flavor, an odor, a vibration, and a distinct feeling that one gets every time they are confronted by its many minions, designs and deceptions.Prohibition has illuminated the character and nature of this spirit for any one to see should they care to look. The terms of 'modern science' and 'correct' economic-political philosophy, have left reality behind in their insane quest for power, control, and whatever other plans they have for their fantasy future.However, reality has a way of creeping up from where one left it, and rude awakenings aren't going to be unusual happenings from now on.How far the insanity will go before enough of the willing slaves just say no, is the real question I ask myself daily.Adversity rules planet earth. Has for all of recorded history and beyond.Freedom is not going to be got by petitioning them for it!LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on January 19, 2012 at 15:25:19 PT

It's great to see you and thank you. 
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Comment #15 posted by Dankhank on January 19, 2012 at 14:24:52 PT

prettierly formatted ...
These are older studies, but still valid. You may call the NHTSA and/or the DOT and speak to a functionary. Ask for more recent studies, "Drugs and Driving,"for example; mailed to me for free. You can start reading one at the end with the summary, but don't deny yourself the pleasure of the narrative as it can be interesting. :-)=this is in the form of a letter to a judge from a few years ago, who sentenced a man found using cocaine and driving to keep a coffin in his house for a time. Funny thing, the studies I cite all agree that cocaine-only drivers are safe and can be safer than clear-headed drivers.Since there are newer folks on here I felt it good to put it up again.Peace to all who know and speak truth ...Sir: It is with great interest that I read the story about the defendant you sentenced to "living with a coffin" as a reminder of the "deadly consequences of your choices." The young man was convicted of possession of Cocaine and driving under the influence. In recent months I have been corresponding with a Dr Jim Frank of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration regarding "Impaired Driving." During our discussions he offered and sent me six studies done by the Department of Transportation. After reading these studies, I picked out the most startling, I feel, comments many will read while insisting that since alcohol negatively affects driving skill, all other illegal drugs must, too. Here are some items I gleaned from each study provided by the NHTSA.This is MY research ---------Dankhank Lawton OK DOT HS 808 078 "Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance" Final Report, Nov. 1993 Conclusions on page 108 of the copy I received from the NHTSA are interesting and informative. A sample, "It is possible to safely study the effects of marijuana on driving on highways or city streets in the presence of other traffic." "Drivers under the influence of marijuana tend to over-estimate the adverse effects of the drug on their driving ability and compensate when they can; e.g. by increasing effort to accomplish the task, increasing headway or slowing down, or a combination of these."DOT HS 808 939 "Marijuana, Alcohol and Actual Driving Performance" July 1999 Conclusion on page 39 midway of paragraph 5.1 of the copy I received: The addition of the new data, (for marijuana), broadens the range of reactions that may be expected to occur in real life. This range has not been shown to extend into the area that can rightfully be regarded as dangerous or an obviously unacceptable threat to public safety.DOT HS 809 020 "Visual Search and Urban City Driving under the Influence of Marijuana and Alcohol" March 2000: Conclusion 1 on page 24 of the copy I received. "Low doses of marijuana, taken alone, did not impair city driving performance and did not diminish visual search frequency for traffic at intersections in this study."General Discussion, page 22 “Previous on-the-road studies have also demonstrated that subjects are generally aware of the impairing properties of THC and try to compensate for the drug's impairing properties by driving more carefully (Hansteen et al, 1976; Casswell, 1979; Peck et al, 1986; Robbe 1994). “DOT HS 809 642 "State of Knowledge of Drug Impaired Driving" Sept 2003: Experimental Research of Cannabis, page 41 midway: "The extensive studies by Robbe and O'Hanlon (1993), revealed that under the influence of Marijuana, drivers are aware of their impairment, and when experimental tasks allow it, they tend to actually decrease speed, avoid passing other cars, and reduce other risk-taking behaviors."DOT HS 808 065 "The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers" Oct. 1992 In discussing the "Distribution of Ratings on Driver Responsibility" Table 5.12 page 64 of the copy I received, paragraph (p.65); "Responsibility, drugs and alcohol”, third paragraph, the following appears: "Note that the responsibility rates of the THC-only and Cocaine-only groups are actually lower than that of the drugfree drivers. Although these results too are inconclusive, they give no suggestion of impairment in the two groups. The low responsibility rate for THC was reminiscent of that found in young males by Williams and colleagues (1986).” This study is remarkable in it's propensity to attack itself as inconclusive.Forensic Science Review Vol. 14, Number One/Two, Jan 2002, surely must be the reference of note regarding metabolic functions and where the THC goes following ingestion. This review discusses THC and it's metabolites; THCCOOH, 11-OH-THC to mention the most discussed. Location and type of measured quantities of these and other metabolites should be easy to use to determine if a driver is "stoned" or was stoned yesterday, or last week. Mention was made of a man who had measurable levels of metabolites sixty-seven days after ingesting Cannabis.Chap IX paragraph D, "Summary" appears to be of two minds. While stating, "Studies examining Cannabis' causal effect through responsibility analysis have more frequently indicated that THC alone did not increase accident risk …," it continues optimistically suggesting that further exhaustive research may rebut that.All of the studies agree that combining Cannabis with any other drug, such as Alcohol ... a major deleterious effect on driving skills, as is benzoates with Cannabis … it rapidly becomes evident that Cannabis in combination with any number of other drugs is not to be desired, but that Cannabis and Cocaine alone in all six studies have the smallest perceived safety risk of all the drugs and drug combinations tested and against drug-free drivers.Thank You for taking the time to review this material and I must comment on the previous statement in bold and larger font, DOT HS 808 065. It strains a credulous mind; the government and legislatures are of two minds about the “War on Some Drugs.” The legislature harasses, imprisons and generally ruins hundreds of thousands of families every year for a perceived threat that is not supported in other government studies conducted supposedly to give guidance to legislators, and the rest of America, regarding what is a threat or not.Sir, I ask you to task your staff to order those studies from NHTSA or DOT and have someone review them. My observations are accurate, but we all insist on verification.Sincerely a prettier post, FoM, please delete last if you think you should.and ... a shout-out to all who are still in evidence. This site kept me sane for long timeHope, glad you are still around ...FoM ... you still amaze us all with your determination and dedication to this site.
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Comment #13 posted by afterburner on January 19, 2012 at 12:40:46 PT

Repub. Attack Dogs: Endocannabinoid-Deficient? 
With the exception of former Governor Gary Johnson and to a limited degree, Ron Paul, Republican officials have been dead-set against Cannabis or Medical Cannabis, some calling supporters "soft on crime" and demonizing it as "Medical Excuse Marijuana."Republicans 2012.
work.jpeg Sep 13, 2011 at 08:25 PM PDT.
Save the Children (from the Republican Presidential Candidates).
by McCamy Taylor.
"These candidates are not oddballs within their party. According to the GOP, if children’s parents are poor, hungry, undereducated and lack health care, then the kids should suffer the same---presumably because their misfortune is part of God’s plan. That’s the way the religious right views the world. If you are poor, it is because God hates you. If you are poor, the GOP hates you. If you are a poor child, heaven help you, because the Republican Party won’t." Are most Republican candidates endocannabinoid-deficient?On the other hand, Bob Marley, Jamaican Singer/Musician/Advocate promoted Cannabis as part of the natural life, the one to which the city has become increasingly hostile. As a Rasta, Bob celebrated the spiritual guidance and love that cannabis teaches.Trench Town Rock [lyrics]
Excerpt: {This is (Trenchtown rock), don't watch that(Trenchtown rock), big fish or sprat now(Trenchtown rock) You reap what you sow(Trenchtown rock), and only Jah, Jah know(Trenchtown rock) I'd never turn my back(Trenchtown rock), I'd give the slum a try(Trenchtown rock) I'd never let the children cry(Trenchtown rock), 'cause you got to tell Jah, Jah why....This is (Trenchtown rock), I say, don't watch that(Trenchtown rock), if you a big fish or sprat(Trenchtown rock) You reap what you sow(Trenchtown rock), and everyone know now(Trenchtown rock) Don't turn your back(Trenchtown rock), I say, give the slum a try(Trenchtown rock) Never let the children cry(Trenchtown rock), or you got to tell Jah, Jah why}Bob Marley - Trench Town Rock the children cry vs. never let the children cry: your choice, your vote.

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Comment #12 posted by FoM on January 19, 2012 at 10:39:15 PT

I was surprised that Steve DeAngelo wants a Republican now as President. 
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on January 19, 2012 at 10:36:16 PT

Right. He's not trying to protect anyone. He is a liar. He is an ex-cop. He's looking at persecuting what he calls "Pot heads" and raising revenue for the state. He wouldn't be lying if he was trying to really do the right thing. And he is lying and so is the editorial staff at the Denver Post.The main motive of these particular liars seems to be an underlying deep seated fear and hatred of people that use cannabis. Why? I can only think that it's a prime example of an actual evil human spirit actually disguising itself as something righteous and good. It's obviously one of the most well disguised and dangerous spirits known to mankind and it's certainly running rampant in the world today and it has many foolish and unsuspecting people under it's spell and control.Aaargh.
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on January 19, 2012 at 10:07:27 PT

I was just finally, the other day, able to bear reading the report on the description of the tumor they took out of me.Yuck. Really yuck and scary and nasty sounding.
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on January 19, 2012 at 10:04:33 PT

Creepy, evil %$$^# %
Including Steve De Angelo. For his self righteous attitude that people that aren't actually medically diagnosed for a known medical need should be arrested for having cannabis.
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on January 19, 2012 at 10:01:40 PT

Cannabis and tumors
That is all espbecially scary to me. I had Triple Negative breast cancer. A "really bad actor" my oncologist said. I'm scared. I wish I could have cannabis regularly. Even a non fun pill that was really cannabis would be better than nothing. Really quality cannabis would be a God send. It would be so wonderful. I would be so thankful. My family would be thankful.The breast cancer I had is a "bad actor"...meaning it likes to attack again, *sigh*, and that there is nothing more in the way of pharmacological treatment that is available to me. She said she wished there was something else she could give me to protect me, but she "had thrown everything at it" that was available to her. There are medicines, like that stuff that comes from the glowy fungus in the caves that Herbdoc helped find and other stuff that are given to hormone positive breast cancer patients. All other breast cancers, besides the Triple Negative king, have a chemical to treat a patient after the big treatments to add extra protection in effort to keep it from coming back. I am sort of glad, in one little way, sort of, because those after treatment treatments for other types of breast cancer have some bad side effects. But I'd like to have something extra to protect me besides the vitamin d I take and the one baby aspirin a day. They're real "maybes"... but they are better than nothing. I wonder if I could sue the Feds, the State, and all the prohibitionists for keeping a possible help from me? Maybe for attempted manslaughter or endangerment, or denying aid, or something? Cannabis is a very benign help, too... in the way of extremely unpleasant side effects. I wouldn't mind the feeling better, less afraid and worried, and actually feeling happier that is the cannabis side effect. *sigh*When I was young, I never imagined that so many self righteous, goody two shoes, thinking themselves so good, busy bodies would actually endanger my very life. Prohibitionists of every ilk are nasty, creepy, evil bastards.

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Comment #7 posted by HempWorld on January 19, 2012 at 08:46:01 PT

Cancer drugs make tumors more aggressive and
deadly!Without supportive pericytes, the vasculature inside the tumor was becoming weak and leaky — even more so than it already is inside most tumors– and this was reducing the flow of oxygen to the tumor.” 
That change, he explains, makes cancer cells more mobile, so they can travel through those leaky vessels to new locations. It also makes cancer cells behave more like stem cells, so they are better able to survive. 
Because cancer therapies such as Imatinib, Sunitinib and others are known to decrease pericytes in tumors, the scientists next carried out the same experiments in mice with primary tumors. Only this time, they used the chemotherapy drugs Imatinib and Sunitinib instead of genetic programs to decrease pericyte numbers. Both Imatinib and Sunitinib caused 70 percent pericyte depletion — and they also increased metastasis threefold. 
In order to see if their findings are relevant to human patients, the research team examined 130 breast cancer tumor samples of varying cancer stages and tumor sizes and compared pericyte levels with prognoses. The result? The samples with low numbers of pericytes in tumor vasculature correlated with the most deeply invasive cancers, distant metastasis and five to ten year survival rates less than 20 percent. 
“These results are quite provocative and will influence clinical programs designed to target tumor angiogenesis,” Ronald A. DePinho, president of the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, said in a press statement. “These impressive studies will inform and refine potential therapeutic approaches for many cancers.” 
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Comment #6 posted by museman on January 19, 2012 at 08:22:13 PT

Smoke and Mirrors
" He is trying to protect the public after so frequently seeing the death and destruction caused by impaired driving."Lie! If that were the case he would be after all those beer/wine/whiskey chugging good-ol-boys he probably parties with after work. That ain't 'profiling' that's just a high probability based on lots and lots of 'law enforcement history.'Talk about impairment! Legal limits for known toxic, poisonous, brain-damaging alcohol don't cover long term effects like stupidity, and the lemming like tendencies to follow leaders, and preach hatred of un-lemming-like activities, such as free thinking, and rebellion against the status quo slave system. And alcohol leaves your system (though frequent and daily use can leave a lot of dead brain cells - amount un-determinable by current 'breathalyzer' tests.) after a few hours.Demonizing pot and ignoring the devil in the alcohol, is kind of hypocritical in a way that is ultimately more damaging than drinking the booze, because it is a diversionary lie to sway the ignorant and unknowing who have been trained to listen and obey by their schools, churches, and all other status quo institutions. These kinds of lies support real criminal activities, simply by ignoring their priority and focusing on the ridiculous, like pot smoking.People drive around under all kinds of drugs that are 'prescribed' by their assigned 'doctor' (or their 'family' physician should they be fortunate and wealthy enough to afford one) that have side effects like; "drowsiness, dizziness, loss of sleep, logic and cognitive 'impairment,' loss of coordination," and other 'side effects' yet the only thing stopping them from driving is a little warning sticker on the side of the bottle that contributed a few million dollars to our "deficit" in some legislation for 'public safety' that was really all about profit for the pharmaceutical companies.Well enough about the smoke. What about the mirrors?Selective reflections of a public servant...Bits and pieces of truth, intermixed with the BS, until no one can tell the difference between the original truth, and the trumped up propaganda. That's also a synonym for 'politics.' And a good description of some religions.When a cop looks in the mirror, what does he/she see? A cop? Or a human being? Is the uniform all clean and sharp? Is the badge on straight? Whip out that gun and strike a pose!And these prima-donna eternal adolescents are ruling our streets?As a free thinking human being, I am DAMN TIRED OF THIS SHIT!LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #5 posted by Paint with light on January 18, 2012 at 22:31:24 PT

OT but relavent
A friend of mine that has always been negative about seeing cannabis legalized sent me the following that had been sent to him."To all my family, friends and acquaintances... if this information is even partly accurate, every man and woman will make sure everyone in their email circle gets a copy, then become active in promoting it through their doctors and officials, because that's a better success rate for defeating cancer than what we have now!!! is nice to see someone come around to reasoned thinking.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #4 posted by runruff on January 18, 2012 at 20:25:01 PT

Prohibitionist like to blow smoke, 
it's all they've got!The Internet has changed the timbre of rhetoric on the subject of cannabis. Of course this article is inaccurate to say the least, but anyone reading it can key in "cannabis impaired driving" or "studies showing driving effects of cannabis", and so on. Water cooler discussions at work where people like to show off their knowledge about current events and issues helps to spred the word. Things are just not the same as they used to be where some rag like this one can make any claim what-so-ever and we take it as the gospel. Those days are gone with the buggy whip. Today, their lies, spin and inaccuracies are as easy to reveal as just asking.
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Comment #3 posted by HempWorld on January 18, 2012 at 17:03:40 PT

I sent my comment to the Denver Post Editorial
Please vent your anger here:openforum denverpost.comor call Phone: (303) 832-3232.The silent and peacefull majority of Cannabis patients will be grateful, thank you!
Contact the Denver Post Here!
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Comment #2 posted by HempWorld on January 18, 2012 at 16:50:36 PT

"Study after study has shown marijuana use causes
driving impairment."Really? Name just one!You can't because these studies the Denver Post is referring to, don't exist, except in the minds of the editorial board.You should all be fired or jailed for abusing your authority as a newsmaker and deceiving and lying to the public!The FACT, that to this date, no anecdotes exist for driving impairment because of marijuana use is a tell tale. We know all the stories on alcohol and driving and we all have friends who got hurt or died in an accident, myself included.In FACT, this has been one long episode of motor vehicles and marijuana use, at least 115 years long. So we can see from our own history, that the zero tolerance is absolute hogwash.
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Comment #1 posted by Vincent on January 18, 2012 at 16:39:43 PT:

This poor excuse of an "editorial"
"Study after study has shown marijuana use causes driving impairment".Which studies? Name one.It would appear that the editorial board of this "newspaper" has let the Prohibitionists blow "smoke in their eyes".
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