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High Expectations? States Weigh Marijuana Reform
Posted by CN Staff on December 27, 2009 at 12:45:04 PT
By Rachel La Corte, Associated Press Writer 
Source: Associated Press
Olympia, Wash. -- Washington is one of four states where measures to legalize and regulate marijuana have been introduced, and about two dozen other states are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the herb."In terms of state legislatures, this is far and away the most active year that we've ever seen," said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, which supports reforming marijuana laws.
Nadelmann said that while legalization efforts are not likely to get much traction in state capitals anytime soon, the fact that there is such an increase of activity "is elevating the level of public discourse on this issue and legitimizing it.""I would say that we are close to the tipping point," he said. "At this point they are still seen as symbolic bills to get the conversation going, but at least the conversation can be a serious one."Opponents of relaxing marijuana laws aren't happy with any conversation on the topic, other than keeping the drug illegal. "There's no upside to it in any manner other than for those people who want to smoke pot," said Travis Kuykendall, head of the West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas. "There's nothing for society in it, there's nothing good for the country in it, there's nothing for the good of the economy in it."Legalization bills were introduced in California and Massachusetts earlier this year, and this month, New Hampshire and Washington state prefiled bills in advance of their legislative sessions that begin in January. Marijuana is illegal under federal law, but guidelines have been loosened on federal prosecution of medical marijuana under the Obama administration.Even so, marijuana reform legislation remains a tough sell in some places. In the South, for example, only Mississippi and North Carolina have decriminalization laws on the books."It's a social and cultural thing," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C.-based marijuana advocacy group. "There are some parts of the country where social attitudes are just a little more cautious and conservative."Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, a Seattle Democrat who is sponsoring the legalization bill in Washington state, said that she "wanted to start a strong conversation about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana."Under her bill, marijuana would be sold in Washington state's 160 state-run liquor stores, and customers, 21 and older, would pay a tax of 15 percent per gram. The measure would dedicate most of the money raised for substance abuse prevention and treatment, which is facing potential cuts in the state budget. Dickerson said the measure could eventually bring in as much to state coffers as alcohol does, more than $300 million a year."Our state is facing a huge financial deficit and deficits are projected for a few more years," Dickerson said, referring to the projected $2.6 billion hole lawmakers will need to fill next year. "We need to look at revenue and see what might be possible."Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said that tough economic times across the country have lawmakers looking at everything, and may lead even more states to eventually consider the potential tax value of pot."The bean counters are now reporting back to their elected officials how much money is being left off the table," he said, adding that billions of dollars worth of pot is going untaxed. Source: Associated Press (Wire)Author: Rachel La Corte, Associated Press Writer Published: December 27, 2009Copyright: 2009 The Associated PressCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #81 posted by runruff on December 31, 2009 at 03:55:07 PT
Friends!
I ask you?"Judge Bowman said Congress had a “rational basis” for regulating the cultivation of all cannabis plants in order to effectively regulate marijuana."Is the operative word here "effectively" of "regulate"? Either way judgie, you sure sound stupid! I am on probation, I am pee testing every time color green comes up, I was in your prison for two years for felonious farming, still I smoke everyday all day for free! I am one of millions!Is it any wonder the Feds have no creds?This brand of brain dead activity needs to be rewarded with a ticket to "adiosville".Why block jobs, in these times?Why make it harder for American farmers to compete?And, oh yes, I think the draft up their gowns makes them giddy? I suggest long-johns, their speedos and thongs are ruining our nation!
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Comment #80 posted by josephlacerenza on December 30, 2009 at 15:19:04 PT
Well...
N. Dakota is not going to be farming cannabis next year. There is a lady in Ennis, MT and she plans on growing HEMP this coming spring!!! Can't wait to see if the DEA comes!
8th Circuit Court rules industrial hemp is still marijuana
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on December 30, 2009 at 09:25:00 PT
Old people. Young people.
All the in between people.Drug War Victims (A partial list)http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on December 30, 2009 at 09:18:28 PT
Actually,
it, their reasoning, does seem diabolical and insane. It very much looks like we need to save the children from them.Alberto Sepulveda. Ashley Villareal. Esequiel Hernandez. Charity Bowers and her brother. I don't remember the child's name, but he was in the downing of the missionaries' small plane into the Amazon river. He was certainly hurt by these outrageously harsh prohibitions.How many have they harmed and killed in the name of that "Helping" and "Preventing"?How many more will they kill?
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on December 30, 2009 at 09:08:04 PT
Dang it.
Someone said, "Their reasoning is diabolical and insane."Someone made an ad hominem attack, I think. Maybe someone does it more often than someone thinks.
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 09:21:46 PT
Since I can't spell husband
I may just have to go back to calling him "The Republican".It gives me a rigor though... so I won't.
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 09:20:40 PT
Or probably it should be
Under the Grandstand by I. Seymore Butts.See?I can't even deliver it right typing.
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Comment #74 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 09:19:20 PT
My husaband just told me one...
Under the Grandstand by I. C. Morebutts.
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 09:17:27 PT
Betty Dont. Where's Betty Does?
I think my mind may have been stunted on thinking up stuff like that when I found out in Texas History that a governor Hogg we once had, named his daughters Ima and Eura.:0(That's hard!
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 08:59:42 PT
I'm terrible with jokes...
even if I remember them, I can't deliver them right.I'm really glad other people can, though.Some people can file hundreds of them away and have access in an instant to volumes of them... and deliver them right. I've come to believe it is a gift. One that I don't have.I appreciate those who can, though. For sure.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on December 29, 2009 at 08:06:07 PT
It's Just Goes To Show Us
Laughter is good medicine.
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Comment #70 posted by Cheebs1 on December 29, 2009 at 07:36:27 PT:
race to the outhouse
Penned by Willie Makeit and illustrated by Betty Dont
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on December 29, 2009 at 07:35:39 PT
Hope
I really can't think of anymore. Laughter is good for us. Sometimes being serious needs a bit of a break.
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 07:33:15 PT
Lol!
Well... don't stop it if you don't want to. I am laughing.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 07:31:33 PT
Oh my gosh!
Stop it!:0)
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on December 29, 2009 at 07:27:11 PT
One More
The Open Kimono by Seymour Hare
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 07:25:59 PT
Willie Makett
Lol! That's a new one to me. I haven't heard that before.I have heard of I. P. Freely and I. P. Rainwater, though.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on December 29, 2009 at 07:23:36 PT
runruff
That's so funny. There were a couple more but I can't remember them.
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Comment #63 posted by runruff on December 29, 2009 at 07:21:09 PT
" 50 yards to the outhouse" by:
Willie Makett
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 07:00:00 PT
John Tyler Comment 57
"Oh boy", is right.All the deadly and dire violence is so unnecessary. It's all caused by the prohibition and prohibitionists won't see it. They say it's caused by the cannabis. Their reasoning is diabolical and insane.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on December 29, 2009 at 06:58:53 PT
Hope
Back when I was young we had a joke that went like this.Did you ever read the book The Yellow River by I.P. Freely?
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Comment #60 posted by Hope on December 29, 2009 at 06:38:14 PT
Sinsemilla Jones
Lol! I. P. Freely?I can understand that, especially after the terrible incident with the kava!
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Comment #59 posted by EAH on December 29, 2009 at 01:25:06 PT:
the tax revenue
I wish these people in government would understand that they can't calculate tax revenue based on black market prices? I suppose when they get serious they will.
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Comment #58 posted by The GCW on December 28, 2009 at 21:41:48 PT
John Tyler,
Right on. The problem is due to the existing process. Cannabis prohibition has nursed a huge monster. There is no other alternative. REEEEEEEE-legalize.History shows 2009 and a public waking up. I belive in 2010 the public will become wide awake.
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Comment #57 posted by John Tyler on December 28, 2009 at 21:06:59 PT
I read the news today, oh boy
I read an article today in my local newspaper about the Drug War in Mexico. It seems that after several years of “surge”, things are only worse for everybody, and the consensus is that the whole thing has been a huge failure. The Mexican officials are trying to come up with another strategy.  We have said it here an others have said it other places. The vast majority of the income to the Mexican crime organizations is derived from cannabis distribution. Organizations need money to operate. Take away a major source of their income and they will lose power and contract. The crime organizations will still be around, but in a reduced, weakened form and will thus be easier to deal with. As it is now, politicians, etc. have failed to reduce demand so prices and profit margins remain attractive. Eventually, politicians and other officials in Mexico and elsewhere will realize that fact and re-legalize cannabis. The profit margins will go down. The cost will go down. The violence will go down. It will be a legitimate business enterprise. You will have business deals and contracts. If there is a problem you get your lawyers and go to court for a resolution. The parties involved will not have to resort to blatant violence. A legal cannabis industry will quell the violence practically immediately. There is no other workable solution.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 20:13:06 PT
Since We've Been Talking About Kava
Kava 'Anti-Energy' Drink Takes Root in The SouthlandDecember 29, 2009Url: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-kava29-2009dec29,0,6531543.story
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 18:22:04 PT
dankhank
I watched a little bit of it. That's different.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 18:20:30 PT
Sinsemilla Jones 
That is what I mean. They just don't seem to like us. I think we are kinda cool. I'm talking about our big city people and progressive areas of our country.
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Comment #53 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on December 28, 2009 at 18:04:12 PT
The problem with the South is...
there's no one to vote for, and we don't have initiative rights to change the laws ourselves.Used to be, when we elected Ds, they would vote like Rs.Now when we elect Ds, they literally become Rs!
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Comment #52 posted by dankhank on December 28, 2009 at 18:01:44 PT
dreams ...
are the novels of MY mind. They're not as good as a really good book, but they are interesting.I've read science fiction since 1958, can even remember the first book ... "Have Space Suit will travel" by Robert Heinlein ... and still have 90% of the books.Paying attention to politics is a view of the absolute craziness that passes for legislation ...I could go on, but I think you get it.Thinking of new and different things is the best for me.I found this recently ... and like it ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEySYXuq3gGo!download it if you can and watch it half size ... not so good resolution. Peace ... and try it, you might like it ... :-)
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 17:44:25 PT
rchandar 
I was born in the south and I do know they have to want to become part of all of us. They keep pushing themselves away from us. We are all in this together. We are suppose to be the United States of America.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 17:41:52 PT
Sinsemilla Jones 
The Yellow River no less! LOL! I had a really cool dream one time. I dreamt I was helping Neil Young's wife Pegi cook Neil breakfast on their ranch in their house. 
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Comment #49 posted by rchandar on December 28, 2009 at 17:28:37 PT:
FoM and Dis Hyah' South
FoM, should you hate that I say this, I'm sorry. But MJ reform cannot and should not avoid the South. Now, Ah ain' suthun', and I knows you ain', but let's face facts: 90 million people live here and we can't spare their keepers, can we? I do sincerely thank you, though, for continuing to post from Puff'm in SFL; should we realize something in the event of decrim/legalization in Florida, it could change the dynamic of things in dis' nek uh' da' woods'.Y'all come back, now, hyah!!!rchandar
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Comment #48 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on December 28, 2009 at 17:27:19 PT
When I'm out, I sometimes dream of it.
I once dreamed that Bob Dylan got me stoned.
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Comment #47 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on December 28, 2009 at 17:22:52 PT
FoM
It was!My favorite fictional author (other than Kilgore Trout and Bokonon) would have to be I.P. Freely.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 17:13:56 PT
Just For Fun
JibJab: Never a Year Like '09 http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/never_a_year_like_09
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 16:44:41 PT
Dankhank
You like crazy dreams. I sure don't. Life is crazy. I like peaceful dreams but I actually prefer not remembering them at all.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 16:12:49 PT
Sinsemilla Jones
That sounds like it was terrible. I stopped taking it when I developed a rash on my arm and learned it can cause problems with the liver. I like Valarian because it just doesn't seem to have any negative side effects.
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Comment #43 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on December 28, 2009 at 15:58:05 PT
Kava Kava - Be Careful Careful!
There has been evidence of liver toxicity, especially when manufacturers use stems and leaves in the mix. The roots are safer, but still might cause problems.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KavaI tried Kava about 6 or 7 years ago, and had a very bad reaction that I haven't read of anyone else having. After consuming my first very moderate dose, a drink made from kava paste, I was unable to urinate for several hours despite needing to very badly. Fortunately, I was able to pee ok the next morning, but I threw out the kava.
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Comment #42 posted by dankhank on December 28, 2009 at 15:30:26 PT
dreams ...
dreams return when you quit Cannabis ...This is why cannabis is used to treat PTSD ...by the Israelis ... and others ...personally, I like crazy dreams ... :-)
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Comment #41 posted by charmed quark on December 28, 2009 at 15:21:48 PT
Canis420
Heavy, long-term use does cause a very mild physical habituation with the symptoms you described when you stop suddenly.If you have more time, a gradual reduction of use over, say, two weeks might avoid this. Very similar to going off caffeine.
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 10:06:41 PT
runruff
Too much! LOL!
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Comment #39 posted by runruff on December 28, 2009 at 10:05:02 PT
My Grandpa said,
"If you can't sleep at night, hit your big toe with a hammer! It won't help you sleep but at least you won't feel stupid laying there awake for no good reason!"Glad to help!
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 10:04:11 PT
Canis420 
You're welcome. Kava is more along the lines of cannabis in it's properties. 
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Comment #37 posted by Canis420 on December 28, 2009 at 09:44:13 PT:
Sleepless in Florida
Thanks all!
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 09:02:29 PT
JoeCitizen
I also thought of Kava but didn't mention it. Kava isn't water soluble so an extract is needed but it does work wonders. I used Kava years ago for a number of months. I started using herbal medicine when I quit narcotic pain drugs and alcohol. I have said to others that the nightmares I had would have made a great Stephen King book. 
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Comment #35 posted by JoeCitizen on December 28, 2009 at 08:48:02 PT
Canis420 - my suggestions
Canis420,What you are going through is completely normal (at least it has happened to me and quite a few people I know.)The sleeplessness (and I also experience agitation and hyperaggression) lasts between 5 and 15 days depending on how habituated your body was to cannabis.The crazy dreams will subside. You will remember ALL of your dreams better, but the ones you have for the first ten days or so tend to be kind of disturbing. Could be that hyperaggression leaking into the dreamworld, I'm not sure. But disturbing, sometimes violent dreams seem to be par for the course.My advice is to take Melatonin for sleeplessness. It's available at any health food store. Also, follow all the usual advice given to insomniacs, i.e. don't consume caffeine, especially later in the day, engage in some kind of exercise, and try not to take catnaps during the day.I use Sam-E (also available at most health food stores) to help improve my mood for the first week or two. A friend of mine also uses Kava Kava. My mood usually improves dramatically somewhere between day 10 and 14.Best of luck!! Hope you land that job.JC
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Comment #34 posted by GeoChemist on December 28, 2009 at 06:36:10 PT
West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area...
is an extension of ONDCP, why leave out that tid-bit? It's time for the Chemist to shoot SS Himmler an e-mail.............why do I love calling these A-holes out so much? :D
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Comment #33 posted by rchandar on December 28, 2009 at 05:40:08 PT:
CDB
I done told you once, you son of a b #ch, I'm the best that's ever been.
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Comment #32 posted by The GCW on December 28, 2009 at 05:40:04 PT
WOW!
West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas.Wow, that's a mouthful. Quite a title, sir.Gee, what happens to Your title if??? 
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Comment #31 posted by rchandar on December 28, 2009 at 05:37:51 PT:
James Crosby
You mean there's nothing good for HIM in it. We have made a huge industry out of law enforcement, and people like this guy, you can bet, profit enormously from the current system.And I'm not talking about bribes or corrupt money. In what other country can you get a job making $70k and getting full retirement, just for wearing a badge and sending people to jail? The argument doesn't wash, and I'm going to be careful about this one. To say that keeping drugs illegal doesn't exacerbate crime is to completely ignore the psychology of crime. Even if you could argue that legalization would not affect organized crime, let's face facts: rounding up scores of people with criminal records and condemning them to prison only intensifies the evilness of personal criminal transformation. I would find it very hard to imagine a large number of drug offenders learning how to be good people by going to jail. Then there's the social message that we're promoting: look for example at the amazing windfall for hip-hop music. Then look at the content. Our social and intellectual consciousness, now vulgarized, criminal, and a new brand of violent and misogynistic sensationalism, is a necessary part of the social equation. Social critique that is meaningful intermixes with the criminalization of self; this is new to us and we're encouraging it by demonizing the drug trade. It's cool to hate the world, to abuse one another, in a manner that didn't exist before. The message gets to kids, giving them a warped perspective on what democracy is about and stupefying any legitimate moral message that parents can send to kids.But this guy doesn't care. He gets to be a hero and earn $100 grand just for pushing this war that nobody really wants anymore. As for the comments about the South, I won't support them because I don't think the policy issue is immovable to say the least. Come on, it's not the Old South and I don't expect you to drink lemonade under the cypress tree anymore. The South of today is an abundant possibility--why else would Rolling Stone do centerfold after centerfold about people like Willie Nelson? Tapping Southern popular culture produces a new generation of politically active renegades, with modern ideas and with a different version of the country ethos that is so welcome that you wouldn't have to be from the old tradition to make it live and breathe. Let's also own up to the fact that it's a much more ethnic South than ever before. Texas is not immune to changes in social policy: for it's heralded strictness, it includes cities like Austin which recently decriminalized MJ (still illegal, but the arresting officer has the discretion to drop the charges). Even a small crack in the iceberg could produce melting if we are able to simply turn on the heat.--rchandar
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on December 28, 2009 at 05:22:47 PT
canis420 
If you have a good health food store where you live an extract of Valarian Root would work better then a capsule. Extracts made with an alcohol base work better then extracts in oil. Good luck to you.Thank you, Paint with Light.
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Comment #29 posted by runruff on December 28, 2009 at 03:12:38 PT
" said Travis Kuykendall, "
That night in private he told his wife, and I quote," do you know what will happen to my job and department if they ever legalize drugs?""Nothing good will come of our financial situation", he confided in her!His wife, a pretty young Mexican girl he found in a drug raid, lit a fat spliff and passed it over to him. He downed a shot of tequila and smiled at her," they will never do it he declared solemnly!" Those stoned out druggies will never have my job! I will fight back, by golly! I will appeal to the national media and tell the nation that there is no up side to marijuana!Oh by the way Honey did your brother stop by and pick up those 10 pounds of Mexican-Skunk today? Tell him the coke will be here Monday!
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Comment #28 posted by Paint with light on December 28, 2009 at 00:57:00 PT
OT for FoM
Here is a link for your resident diesel jockey.http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/transparentius/I hope you both have a more healthy 2010.You both deserve it.
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Comment #27 posted by Paint with light on December 28, 2009 at 00:29:33 PT
comments
Canis420I started noticing something about six years ago. When I indulge in cannabis, my dreams from the night before are harder to remember after just a few minutes post awakening.Those times when I have had to restrain from the wonderful plant, I remember my dreams much longer after I awake.Maybe you are just more aware of your dreams.Combine that with the added stress as Hope pointed out, and it might be a factor.At my age, I have found that eating a meal and sitting in front of the TV does wonders.Good luck on your test.BenadrylWhen I was in junior college I broke out a couple of times in a red rash all over my body(runruff will hear the voice of Bill Cosby here).The first two times I was shot up with liquid benadryl.I then had an open script for the drug.At that time it was not an over the counter drug.My doctor figured out I was allergic to milk.In a game that National Lampoon once included in an issue, Benadryl was rated a 4 on the downer scale and a 3 on the speed scale.Comment # 6.Those are the kind of numbers I love to hear.Legal like alcohol and soon. 
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 22:09:53 PT
A couple of drinks can help a person
get to sleep, but all too often, with that method, the nightcap, one often wakes up much sooner than they would like, I think.Remember that just laying there is really resting quite a bit.I can't believe I've had the computer so much today!Everyone else is off to bed now, and I'm headed that way, too.I hope it all goes well for you Canis420. May you sleep well and have sweet dreams.
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Comment #25 posted by canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 22:01:34 PT:
dph hcl
Im gonna stay away from the anti histamine and try the valerian...will letcha know how it works...for now I am sleepless and keepin the stash in the freezer...i did however have a couple of drinks tonight so we will seeeee. Thanks for all the advice!
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 21:22:30 PT
Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride
Yes! That's it. The same as Benadryl or Sleep Eze.And the same thing that's added to the original ingredients in the PM editions of some pain relievers like ibuprofen and acetaminophen.I had the restless leg syndrome thing happen many years ago as a side effect to an antidepressant I took for awhile back then. I think it was called Sinequan. It's great when you know that something causes it and can avoid it. It's bad when you don't know what causes it and really have a struggle with it.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 20:45:09 PT
Hope
I went and got the bottle. It is sold under the label at Walmart called Equate.It's called a Sleep Aid Liquidcap. I give my dog one of them when he gets itchy. You can give double the dose for a dog but it would make him too sleepy. It doesn't have any pain medicine in it. I have never had a problem with this particular product when I take it.The ingredient is Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine#Common_use_and_dosage
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 20:27:03 PT
Benadryl
I don't get the restless leg thing when I take Benadryl alone. I don't get the restless leg thing when I take plain Tylenol or Advil. It's just the combination that is in those PM versions.There used to be an over the counter medication for sleep that was really just Benadryl, although it didn't appear to be. I think it was called Sleep Eze, or something like that. I went to purchase some of the Seep Eze once and they were out and the pharmacist told me the stuff was really just plain Benadryl and that I should get the same effect from the Benadryl that was supposed to be for allergies.You know how they are always advertising allergy medicines and antihistamines that don't make you sleepy? That's because of the common medicine for allergies, Benadryl... that most definitely can cause sleepiness.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 20:15:28 PT
One More Thing About Benadryl
Could it work if it wasn't in Tylenol maybe? When I take it I don't take it in Tylenol or any other product. Just a gelcap. I don't feel good when I take Tylenol. As far as Valarian goes it is mild and helps me sleep soundly. I haven't ever heard of a reaction to it.
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Comment #20 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 19:48:09 PT:
JC...u r correct sir
WTF is what I and others have been sayin for years
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Comment #19 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 19:44:08 PT:
that describes 
the feeling I get when I use benadryl...its a creepy restless feeling that urges me to shake my legs or beat them against the mattress. I only get it when using over the counter sleep aids like tylenol pm...it absolutely overwhelms the the tiredness effect of the compound and does not let me sleep...maybe the valerian that FoM reccomends will not have that effect. I hope so cause I really need to sleep...gonna stay outa me stash though for the time being
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Comment #18 posted by James Crosby on December 27, 2009 at 19:40:14 PT
WTF?
"There's nothing for society in it, there's nothing good for the country in it, there's nothing for the good of the economy in it."Does this guy even know why America was founded? How un-American. Land of the Free.... =(
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 19:37:30 PT
Maybe
you could say it's like your bones and deep bone close muscles are sort of tickling or nearly itching or maybe glowing with some sort of agitating electrical wave sensation, provoking the need for activity, where there should be none. It's very unpleasant.
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 19:34:48 PT
Restless... running... it's the same thing.
If it makes me sleepy in those combo pills, it doesn't help anyway because of not being able to sleep from that peculiar misery. It makes my legs feel agitated and I need to move them, restlessly, and sometimes beat and slap my lower legs and feet against the mattress, almost unconsciously, trying to get it to stop.I've only experienced it because of drug reaction. One of my sons, though, has always had a tendency to experience it any time he had to sit still for very long in some circumstances. When he was getting a haircut as a child he sometimes said, "My legs feel like they need to run." At first I thought he meant he had the feeling he should run away from my hair cutting... because he was feeling anxiety that it might be a disastrous haircut. I didn't understand it but I let him run around a bit when it was bad... I'm a slow and careful hair cutter. He didn't run plumb away and he'd be alright for a bit until I'd finished.He still has it sometimes, as an adult, when he tries to sleep. The tireder he is, the worse it is. He even has it in his arms sometimes. He sometimes beats on his arms or legs trying to get it to stop so he can sleep. Of course it disturbs his wife when he's so agitated and frustrated in his efforts to rest. It's a strange, extremely unpleasant feeling. It's almost like pain. Annoying and noticeable like deep internal nerve tickling or stimulation or something. It's hard to describe but you know it when you feel it. 
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 19:06:28 PT
Benadryl
I never heard that before. Very interesting. 
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Comment #14 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 18:57:56 PT:
benadryl
This substance also makes my legs feel funny when trying to sleep so I avoid it...I wonder why that is. Is this what they call restless leg syndrome?
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Comment #13 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 18:55:52 PT:
Hope
I am not usually an insomniac but I have not been w/o cannabis in over 20 years so i can only suppose that this is related to my recent cannabis restriction. Hopefully it will ease on its own as my brain accustoms itself to no cannabis. Then again, if I get the job or if I dont I will be able resume my use within a month or so. I will not take a job that requires random drug tests without cause just on the matter of principal. I already turned one down and it is their loss. And if this recent application results in them not calling me within a month for an interview I can assume they are not considering me. My use of cannabis has no effect on my ability to deliver a quality work product and my work history proves it
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 18:41:43 PT
Benadryl
Yes. It does make one sleepy. It's the ingredient in Nightime versions of Advil and Tylenol.I've taken Benedryl for allergies alone and had no problem. At night taken with Advil or Tylenol, it seems to put me through running leg syndrome. Aaargh. I hate that. It affects my husband the same way. Either one alone, Benadryl, OR Advil, or Tylenol is no problem. But together they don't quite agree with me.
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on December 27, 2009 at 18:36:08 PT
 "how long the insomnia will last"
If it's not natural to you, without cannabis, to be something of an insomniac, probably until after the drug test comes back clear. That's, naturally, stressful to contemplate.:0(If you have a natural tendency to have trouble falling asleep, you have to work with it and FoM suggests some good ways. Find out what they are and do the things that help you sleep well. A comfortable, cool bedroom. No caffeine. Do the things that help you wind down for the day. A glass of milk and a small turkey sandwich? A glass of juice? A pleasant sounding white noise type fan? Reading in bed? I have been prone to vivid nightmares or night terrors for most of my life, as my grandmother was. Quite a few people are. Chamomile tea, with or without a bit of honey, or lemon, or both,before bed can do wonders. It's been my experience that a cup of chamomile tea can be amazing for quelling nightmares in those that find them all too predictable a part of the sleep experience. It's preparation and consumption can be an enjoyable part of a bedtime routine.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 18:28:02 PT
Canis420 
I thought of something else that could help you to sleep better. It is called Benadryl. Benadryl is a multi purpose over the counter drug. I give it to my dog when he has an allergy flare up. It is a good aid for sleep too and very inexpensive. It is also what you take if you get stung by a bee and have a reaction.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 18:10:21 PT
Canis420 
Herbs are different then drugs. If you take Valarian it might take a few days for it to help. With Valarian I take 3 capsules every night and have for many years. It should help you return to a better sleep within a week or so. Cut out caffeine and sugar especially at night. Exercise and burn off excess energy and you should be fine fairly quickly.Valerian (Herb)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_(herb)
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Comment #8 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 17:58:06 PT:
Me sleeplessness
Thanks FoM and HE. I certainly do not want to gamble my future employment status in trying to beat the possible test. I will stick it out and hope I can sleep soon and I will try the valarian...thanks again. Happy holidays all with hopes for a better year ahead. Again though...does anybody know how long the insomnia will last?
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Comment #7 posted by Had Enough on December 27, 2009 at 16:58:29 PT
Canis420
I don’t know if this is what you are looking for, but it might help you to understand what you are going through, and know that you are not alone.http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/
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Comment #6 posted by Had Enough on December 27, 2009 at 16:49:03 PT
New Poll Shows ....
New Poll Shows Majority of U.S. Favors Legal MarijuanaThe question asked was “Do you support or oppose the legalization of each of the following drugs?” with no further explanation. With no prompting about the possible economic benefits of taxing cannabis or points about reforming criminal justice, with just the blanket term “legalization” which could lead to a range of solutions from strict marijuana pharmacies to open farmers’ markets, in other words, a question most likely to get the lowest favorable response, we just got 53%. 61% of Democrats and 55% of Independents support legalization, while only 43% of Republicans agree.In another question the poll asked “The term “War on Drugs” has been used to describe the efforts of the U.S. government to reduce the illegal drug trade. From what you have seen, read or heard, would you describe the “War on Drugs” as a success or a failure?” 68% of Americans called it a failure, with two-thirds of Democrats and Republicans agreeing it’s a failure and over three-fourths of Independents. About 70% of respondents across all political and geographic demographics agreed that “America has a serious drug abuse problem and it affects the whole country.”The whole thing....http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-new-poll-shows-majority-of-u-s-favors-legal-marijuana************Asylum Street Spankers - "Winning the War on Drugs"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVkk6fH2u0Y
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 16:01:33 PT
Canis420 
I think what you are experiencing would be normal if you were a regular cannabis consumer. You could go to a health food store and buy some Valarian Root which would help you with your sleep. PS: You're welcome.
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Comment #4 posted by Canis420 on December 27, 2009 at 15:53:52 PT:
Addictive properties of cannabis
First I should say that I am a rabid anti-prohibitionist. I have been out of work for quite a while and I recently applied for a position with an environmental consuliting firm. I figured it was probably prudent to clear my system in the hopes of landing this position as it would require a pre-employment drug screen. I have not had any cravings but my blood pressure is up and I cant sleep at all. I am so tired but when I try to sleep I lay there for hours. When I do sleep I am consumed by crazy crazy dreams. These seem like physical withdrawal symptoms to me. This has been going on for ten days now with no let up. Has anyone here experienced these symptoms and if so...how long does this last? Thanks
P.S. Thanks for putting MrBB in his place
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on December 27, 2009 at 15:13:33 PT
EAH
I cannot think of one good reason why marijuana should be kept illegal. Not one. Parents should teach their children what they believe but adults should be allowed to be an adult and decide for themselves what they believe.
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Comment #2 posted by EAH on December 27, 2009 at 14:49:01 PT:
Cons?
"wanted to start a strong conversation about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana."There are no legitimate cons to legalizing cannabis.
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Comment #1 posted by charmed quark on December 27, 2009 at 14:15:02 PT
American Values
"There's nothing for society in it, there's nothing good for the country in it, there's nothing for the good of the economy in it."So anything that doesn't meet these requirements should be illegal? That's one of the most unAmerican things I've ever heard. So many people have forgotten what this country is about.Not that I agree with his statement about the impact of cannabis, but it doesn't matter. He's saying something has to be good for the economy or perceived as a good for society to be legal. That's putting it totally backwards, at least in terms of American values. We should be free to do anything that doesn't directly negatively impact our neighbors.The saddest part of the drug war, in my opinion, isn't all the people thrown in jail for non-violent drug use, it's the loss of American values, something I'm afraid we'll never get back.
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