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Waco Man Teams with NORML in Push for MMJ
Posted by CN Staff on September 08, 2009 at 05:20:27 PT
By J.B. Smith, Tribune-Herald Staff Writer
Source: Waco Tribune-Herald
Texas -- Alan Caruthers, of Waco, says he was 18 years old the first and last time he tried marijuana. It didn’t do much for him. Until this year, he saw no reason to try it again, and he dismissed arguments for decriminalizing it as pothead talk.It took a four-year struggle with myelofibrosis to change his mind. His leukemialike bone marrow disease gives him constant bone pain. The chemotherapy gives him nausea that makes him vomit daily. The Vicodin, Ativan and other drugs he’s taking to relieve those symptoms are losing their effectiveness, and he’s afraid of getting addicted to them.
So now, at age 44, this Christian family man and lifelong Republican is considering medicating himself with marijuana. And he has become an unlikely advocate for the right to do so legally.Caruthers has written lawmakers arguing for decriminalizing medical marijuana. He even has signed up with the new Waco chapter of the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, or NORML, which advocates medical marijuana as the first step in a larger decriminalization effort. He acknowledges that his stand puts him in unusual company.“I don’t fit the typical profile of a marijuana user,” he said. “I don’t have any clue on how to go out and get weed. And I sure don’t know how to get good weed, the kind that will help my condition.”He thinks marijuana would be a gentler and less addictive alternative to relieve his pain.“I get a couple of hours of sleep every night, then wake up for a few hours before I can get back to sleep,” he said. “Once the Vicodin wears off, I take a Tylenol or more Vicodin.”And as he faces the growing likelihood of undergoing a bone-marrow transplant, he is desperate enough to test unproven claims that cannabinoids in marijuana can retard the spread of the malignancy in his blood. Last week, he learned that he soon may need a blood transfusion because his blood-cell counts were dangerously low.“It appears I have a more advanced form of this disease than I had hoped,” he said. “Unless cannabis becomes an option, (a bone marrow transplant) may be my only chance.”Thirteen states, including California, have decriminalized marijuana for medical use, usually requiring a doctor’s prescription to buy it from an approved dispensary. The U.S. Department of Justice has responded by raiding dispensaries and making arrests. In recent decisions, the U.S. Supreme Court has left the fundamental legal issue unresolved, ruling that states have the right to legalize marijuana but that the federal government has the right to enforce its drug laws in any state. In Texas, possession of 2 ounces of marijuana or less is a Class B misdemeanor, but first-time violators without a criminal past typically are given probation. In McLennan County, the medical value of marijuana has never been used as a defense in court, a district attorney’s spokeswoman said, adding that the office would continue to prosecute marijuana users barring any change in the law. Medical marijuana bills have been introduced in the Texas Legislature in the last two sessions but have died in committee.But this much isn’t controversial: The active ingredient of marijuana — THC — has valid medical uses. It is often effective in reducing chronic nausea and appetite loss in cancer and AIDS patients. In fact, THC is legal and often prescribed in a synthetic form called dronabinol or Marinol. “THC is effective for nausea control in some patients,” said Dr. Arthur Frankel, head of the oncology division at Scott & White Hospital in Temple and of the hospital system’s Cancer Research Institute. “I think there’s also a powerful psychological effect for patients who perceive it’s going to help them. It tends to be weaker than other drugs, and I tend to use it for people who are not getting a benefit from other medications. Maybe for one in 10, it makes a difference.”Under federal law, Marinol is a Schedule III drug, making its use less restrictive than Vicodin or even Ritalin, the attention-deficit drug. Marijuana, like heroin, is a Schedule I drug, meaning the U.S. Food and Drug Administration bans it for any use.Little medical research has been done on marijuana itself, partly because of legal, political and practical obstacles to doing clinical trials. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency’s Web site dismisses any medical validity in smoking whole marijuana, saying it increases the risk of cancer, can have psychological side effects and exposes users to unregulated doses of hundreds of chemicals. But some medical researchers think whole marijuana is worth studying for pain and nausea relief because of possible “synergistic” effects of the 66 cannabinoids it contains, according to a July 2006 article in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Frankel says he’s not opposed to more research of medical marijuana but puts it near the bottom of the list in priorities in the overall battle against cancer. Caruthers said he has checked into Marinol but concluded that it would cost him about $600 a month. Because Marinol can take more than an hour to take effect, vs. a few minutes for a joint, he said the effects would be harder for him to control. And he holds out some hope for the possibility that the cannabinoids in marijuana could have a positive effect on his disease, based on some studies he has read.One study, published this month in the British Journal of Cancer, concluded that marijuana cannabinoids stopped the growth of prostate cancer cells in the laboratory. Scott & White’s Frankel said the finding is intriguing, but the positive effects would need to be tested in clinical trials on humans.Caruthers said he doesn’t have time to wait. He soon will need to make a decision on a bone-marrow transplant, which would cost about $250,000 and has a 20 percent chance of killing him, he said.Meanwhile, the Waco NORML group is focusing on medical marijuana as its primary issue. The group, which meets monthly at Poppa Rollo’s pizzeria, has signed up 37 members.Cliff Deuvall, the group’s founder, says he uses marijuana for chronic pain stemming from combat injuries in Vietnam. He said he was an Air Force sergeant during the 1975 Saigon airlift and suffered a blast that resulted in injuries to his legs, eye and head. Now a 100-percent disabled veteran, Deuvall said he started using marijuana to fight nausea caused by his injured eye, which eventually was removed. He said he would like to be able to grow marijuana legally for his own use.“I hope we can get an understanding with local government here that we’re not trying to turn this city into a bunch of potheads,” he said. “We’re just trying to make sure that people who need this medication can get this medication.”Waco Police Chief Brent Stroman said the issue of medical marijuana is barely on his radar screen. He said most marijuana arrests are connected with other crimes, and dealers are a much higher enforcement priority than users.But Caruthers said those dealing with chronic pain or terminal conditions shouldn’t have to sneak around to get relief.“With people making end-of-life decisions, cannabis should be an option,” he said. “It’s the mechanism for delivery that’s contentious: How I get it, where I get it? I don’t want to be involved in the whole seedy underbelly of drug cartels. I just think, what if you could grow it on your own?”He said his family and his confidants at church have been supportive of his exploring marijuana use, but his inner conflicts remain. He said he doesn’t want to be a bad influence on his adopted 4-year-old son.“My biggest concern is having it around my home, and my family being implicated in it, and risking having (Child Protective Services) come in,” he said.Caruthers, who is now on full-time disability, has worked in law enforcement and social work, most recently at a Baptist church in Waco and at the Methodist Home. He attended Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Kentucky before moving to Waco.He said faith remains an important part of his life, helping him face the uncertainty about his family’s future.But he said it’s the pain, especially at night, that has caused him to struggle with depression and anxiety.As Caruthers talks, his curly-haired son, Sammy, toddles into the room.The boy chats with his dad about a computer game. He unties his father’s shoes and takes them off, then swipes his water bottle and steals a sip. “I see what you’re doing,” Caruthers says. He headlocks the giggling little boy and gives him a few fake swats on the bottom. “Time for your daily spanking.”The boy grabs the water bottle and heads back to his game.“Love you, Sammy,” Caruthers says, then slumps back in his chair with a weak grin. It’s late in the day, and the pain is coming on.“Right now, I could go into the bathroom and puke,” he says.Caruthers said he has been frustrated by the negative responses he has gotten from politicians he has written about the medical marijuana issue, including Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison.“What would she do if she were in my shoes?” he asked. “What would politicians do if they had to suffer and puke every day? Not that I wish that on them. But if there’s a sin I’ve committed, it’s that I’ve been close-minded. I used to feel that way, too, that there was no reason for medical marijuana — until this happened to me.”Source: Waco Tribune-Herald (TX)Author: J.B. Smith, Tribune-Herald Staff WriterPublished: Tuesday, September 08, 2009Copyright: 2009 Waco-Tribune Herald Website: http://www.wacotrib.com/URL: http://drugsense.org/url/SayFZmXzContact: http://drugsense.org/url/601MbPmgCannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #74 posted by Hope on September 13, 2009 at 07:52:47 PT
Hey CTex1502
Welcome to C-News. Good to see another fellow Texan. I still secretly hope that our legislators will be struck by an epiphany and go boldly into a new and better world where, among other things, cannabis users aren't persecuted.It could happen. I have enough sense to know it's not likely... but it could happen.
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Comment #73 posted by ctx1502 on September 12, 2009 at 22:55:42 PT:
Texas
I pity this man for coming over to the green side in such an unwilling manner. I honestly hope we can figure out ways to convince people that marijuana isn't evil without waiting for them to become ill. For the rest of you BACK OFF MY STATE! Narrow-minded? Yes. But every one of ya'll are well aware that you'd rather have us WITH you than AGAINST you in a fight. PS Sorry about BushPPS Twice
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Comment #72 posted by Phoenix on September 11, 2009 at 06:02:49 PT:
Whoa, Joe, don't blow a coronary/stroke out, man
It was just a hypothetical. Don't get all jazzed up. Relax man, blaze a bowl, you'll live longer.If you do want to rehash that history though, feel free to email me: phx420 gmail.com. History's one of my degrees so I could show you a thing or two that I've come across in research that you might find interesting. If you agree that the victors of any war end up writing the history, then maybe you'd be willing to see just how deep that rabbit hole really is. This is my last post on that topic as well.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 19:30:16 PT
Authorities Release Details of Raids
September 10, 2009URL: http://www.kusi.com/news/local/58700492.html
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 16:14:54 PT
Medical Marijuana Shop Raided in Spokane
September 10, 2009URL: http://www.bradenton.com/439/story/1699904.html
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 14:36:21 PT
Information On Recent California Raids
DA Says Raid Targeted Illegal Marijuana SalesSeptember 10, 2009URL: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10pot124442/
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 14:06:51 PT
One More Comment
I also appreciate this discussion. I have been so quiet because I was beginning to think everyone was turning into a birther or like the guy last night yelling during President Obama's speech. I have seen drug policy reformers rail against Obama while they take no responsibility for the situation some states are in concerning medical marijuana. I will not argue with people but I will walk away. That's all for now.
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Comment #67 posted by dongenero on September 10, 2009 at 12:57:52 PT
JoeC
Enjoyed your posts. A little bit of OT is good here and there. Your posts certainly echo my sentiment.This may be a particularly important time to be engaged in additional issues. I don't mean for CNews but for we as individuals.
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 12:12:07 PT
FoM Comment 63
Thank you, FoM.Probably more "Wooly", than "Wise", though.:0)
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 12:10:11 PT
Museman
I've been around livestock, including mules and donkeys all my life.Mules can be HUGE. They are very intelligent, quick, strong, and agile. They are extraordinary looking and sounding creatures. I have great and sincere respect for their nature and behavior.
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 12:03:40 PT
Another one.
Colombia’s High Court Says Drug Consumption Not a Crimehttp://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=343393&CategoryId=12393
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 12:00:07 PT
Hope
You know how much I value your very wise opinions. Thank you for commenting on secession. It turns my stomach.
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 11:35:09 PT
YouTube finally stopped.
It probably happened because I had to sign up there to see the video RevRayGreen posted yesterday.Anyway.Talk of secession irritates me.
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Comment #61 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 10:56:23 PT
Strange, to me, YouTube behavior.
YouTube is on some sort of continuous play. Something I haven't seen before.Stranger still... this Reggae singer seems like he might be an Hasidic Jewish person.Probably not. But I'm leaving it to play awhile. This is an interesting turn of events.Rave on.
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Comment #60 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 10:40:00 PT
"Mucho exelentes!"
http://is.gd/37hg4An odd YouTube thing that I haven't had happen before. After playing this version of God Bless Texas... it immediately goes on to play the next video... Reggae. Usually it just stops at the end of whatever video I play.:0)God, The World, and YouTube work in mysterious ways.
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Comment #59 posted by JoeCitizen on September 10, 2009 at 10:37:03 PT
Civil War ended in 1865
Ah yes, poor little Texas and the whole Confederate Army is just exactly like the tiny Hungarian army facing the Soviet Red Army juggernaut. Why didn't I see that before?Sure, the Confederates began armed hostilities (see Fort Sumter), and sure, the Confederate Army did try and invade Washington, but of course, they're the poor victims with the bayonets in their backs. Sucks to lose, I guess.But you know, why rehash all that very settled history? If you all hate the United States of America so much, if you want to establish New Texas or the New Confederacy, put slavery back into your constitution, enfranchise only white male taxpayers, or whatever you see fit to do, then why should I want to stop you?Take Texas and those other misbegotten Southern states, and just get the hell out. Southerners brought the taint of slavery into our Union in the first place, then fought tooth and nail to both keep and expand it. You are a quarrelsome and mean-spirited people, and America would be far better place if you and your ilk were left to enact your own plans and means, and have to endure the terrible consequences they would in time bring down upon you.And that's enough from me on that subject, which has no relation to cannabis news whatsoever.JC
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 10:15:30 PT
Lol!
Runruff. Good one!
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Comment #57 posted by runruff on September 10, 2009 at 10:14:04 PT
All my Xs live in Texas......
...which is why I reside in Tennesee!
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 10:04:01 PT
Another thing I love about Texas
Waltzing across it with Ernest Tubb.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GTKJrLgYc How many times have I waltzed across the kitchen floor in the middle of the night with a baby in my arms and comforting him or her with that "Lullabye"?A few.Even in Missouri.
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 09:38:20 PT
Museman
"...once they get riled -like a mule- that stubbornness could get real ugly I imagine."Indeed it can. But no, of course, they aren't all like that. Some of the regular mules would have lifted their heads from their grazing in surprise at the display of anger I witnessed from a couple or three of them.I try to go Biblical in those most treacherous of all moments... and do my best to "Agree with my adversary quickly". It makes no sense at all to get in fight with the rear end of a mule over something that they are doing in Washington and you can't do a damn thing about it anyway.
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Comment #54 posted by Phoenix on September 10, 2009 at 09:34:00 PT:
Voluntary Surrender .... hmmmm
"Texas voluntarily surrendered its independence and became part of the union."Perhaps the first time they joined they voluntarily surrendered their national sovereignty. The second time around I would say Texas qualifies as "conquered territory". Them coming back into the Union was about as voluntary as when the Hungarians and the Czechs and indeed the entire Eastern Bloc voted overwhelmingly and "democratically" to join the Soviet Union and sign the Warsaw Pact, but perhaps, and maybe this is me just going out on a limb here, but just maybe they would have voted differently had the Red Army not been sticking a bayonet in their backs. The same can be said about the "accession" of Tibet in to the PRC. And, I think the case can be made for Texas as well because of the similar occupation it underwent from 1865-1877. No one today would say that an election under military occupation is legitimate. People often question the legitimacy of the administrations of Iraq and Afghanistan for this very reason. If this is the case, then I think it would be prudent to re-examine this so-called "voluntary surrender" you speak of.
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 09:25:30 PT
Things I love about Texas
She has "Eyes".She's an old, old multi-ethnic lady. She has such a personality. Sometimes she's plumb mean. Sometimes she's sweet and loving and providing. Sometimes she's ugly and scary. Sometimes she's beautiful and dressed for a flashing whirling, joyful dance. When she smiles... she's absolutely angelic. She has rousing campfire songs where you clap your hands and surprise people. The stars are "big and bright". I always suspected Deep in the Heart of Texas was the best being brave and joyful at night around the campfire song there is. It's meant to scare away the less friendly spirits of the night.She's shaped like a big old bird or something. She has dark nights in deep canyons and blooming deserts. She has rivers, lakes, and swamps, lush pastures and meadows and forests for miles. She has crisp blue days on mountain tops.She has cowboys of every gender, color, and ethnicity, and buffalo and longhorns. She has Big Skies. She's got jackrabbits and cottontails and Whooping Cranes.That crazy Republican, Secessionist, World Nut Daily, martial arts guy that plays a Texas Ranger on TV is really a product of Oklahoma... not Texas! :0)(Dankhank's state can take the blame for him.)That's just some of the things I love about Texas.Are there things I don't love about Texas? That's for sure.Do I think Texas is the "Best" place in the world? No. Texas is not the best place in the world. Her people aren't all the finest people in the world. But it is where I actually am. She's given me her spirit of "Make do" and "Make it better".She's pretty wild. She's not exactly tame and she's not really that much of a lady sometimes.
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Comment #52 posted by museman on September 10, 2009 at 08:58:42 PT
Hope
Well, having been born a 'Missouri Mule' myself, I couldn't live there, haven't in over 30 years, and that was just to go back and check it out, see my 'people' -thought I might live there at the time....Lets just say I find little common ground with flatlanders. They did know how to party in the 70's though.I never crossed a 'fellow mule' badly enough to witness your description, all in all they seem calm and steady, so once they get riled -like a mule- that stubbornness could get real ugly I imagine.As for me, the last time I crossed the continental divide, I resolved to stay on this side of it for the rest of my life.LEGALIZE FREEOM
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on September 10, 2009 at 08:42:00 PT
Runruff
"This is not only a gross misuse of law enforcement, it is criminal in it's very nature! The use of herbs is not criminal by any stretch of the imagination, violent entry, shooting and looting is!"I was thinking exactly the same thing.San Diego. The new "Salem".
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Comment #50 posted by JoeCitizen on September 10, 2009 at 08:40:52 PT
Phoenix, #48
#1. The Texas constitution doesn't allow for secession, it only allows Texas to break up into 4 smaller states if it so chooses.#2. Assuming Texas changed its constitution to allow for secession, it would still need the approval of the rest of the union to leave (in the form of an act of Congress.)#3. If all these things came to pass, Texas could leave, but not before returning or paying compensation for all the Federal facilities and property in Texas. We'll take back all the equipment from Johnson Space center, all the military hardware from the bases, and most especially every bit of nuclear material, weapon or not, anywhere on Texas soil. Can't be creating a nuclear rival right on our border.Your examples of Tibet, Hungary and Czechoslovakia are misplaced, because all of those places were conquered territory. They had never agreed to be part of the country/union they were forced into, so they had every right (though not the power) to rise up and try to leave.Texas voluntarily surrendered its independence and became part of the union. Leaving it now by force would not be legal or moral. If Texans attempted to leave by force under such circumstances, I do not think the world would look any more harshly upon us than they do the Spanish when they control the Basques separatists, or the Canadians when they keep control of Montreal.Personally, I'd vote for the breaking up into smaller states. Can we consolidate Hope, Willie Nelson, Austin, and every other good thing about Texas into one of them? That would be an awesome state!JC
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Comment #49 posted by runruff on September 10, 2009 at 07:42:58 PT
Cruel to be kind?
I am very sorry for the people caught up in this tired old game of bureaucratic arm twisting. This is not only a gross misuse of law enforcement, it is criminal in it's very nature! The use of herbs is not criminal by any stretch of the imagination, violent entry, shooting and looting is!I think the LEOs are shooting themselves in the foot [no reference to a DEA Agent shooting himself in the foot while demonstrating gun safety to school kids intended] by having these raids. This is close enough to signature gathering season to help put legalisation on the ballot, in every state on the west coast it will pass. Thanks to their heavy handed Gestapo tactics they will recruit many over to our side! Those already on our side will be energised. I know I am and when I get tuned up I am hard to shut up!
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Comment #48 posted by Phoenix on September 10, 2009 at 07:07:10 PT:
Would you fight to keep Texas in the Union?
But let's for the sake of argument say that they really, really wanted to go. Let's say they based their argument on self-determination (an old liberal favorite. Ironic, eh?), invited in international observers to oversee a referendum on the issue, and the people voted overwhelmingly (let's say, two-thirds or more) to leave the Union, and the referendum is found to be completely legit. Would you condone the use of violence to keep them in? Do you really think it is worth shedding blood to say "No Texas, you can't leave. We (Uncle Sam and Co.) will force you, under the barrel of a gun, to stay put, or we will murder you." Could you really support such an action? And if you did, would that not put you on the same level as, say, the Soviets when they crushed Hungarian and Czech secessionist movements during the Cold War? Would that not put you on the same level as the Chinese who brutally repress the secessionist movement in Tibet? Would such an action not irreversibly damage America's credibility in the international community as being a "nation of free men" and as the "leader of the free world"? If Texas wants to leave, what's it to you if they did?
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on September 10, 2009 at 05:56:18 PT
This Doesn't Surprise Me At All
Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Raided Around San Diego RegionBy Kristina Davis, Union-Tribune Staff Writer September 9, 2009Law enforcement officers raided an unknown number of medical marijuana dispensaries around the San Diego region Wednesday, authorities said.The District Attorney's Office, which is heading the multi-agency operation, declined to give further details, saying more information would be released Thursday.Word of the raids began spreading about noon Wednesday with reports of armed officers from San Diego police, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, and other agencies bursting into dispensaries or collectives.Raids were reported at a handful of dispensaries, including Pacific Beach Collective on Turquoise Street, Green Kross Collective on Mission Boulevard and Hillcrest Compassion Care on University Boulevard. Late Wednesday, a red sign in front of Pacific Beach Collective read: “This location has been involved in the trafficking of illegal narcotics. Criminal prosecution is pending.”It was unclear how many people were arrested or what charges they faced. Calls to numerous dispensaries were unanswered Wednesday.Snipped:URL: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/09/bn09marij-regional-raids/?metro
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Comment #46 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 15:13:15 PT
Museman
You said, "The hate attitudes being thrown around because of Obama aren't so obvious and prevalent here, though some of the 'born agains' and rednecks around here have said some pretty outrageous things that get around to all the public gossip loops -the kids bring it home from school-."That's good to hear that the atmosphere is a bit cleaner there. I have to travel to Missouri fairly often. Several times a year, and I've found it to be considerably worse and more prevalent there than it is here. I was a bit surprised at that. I guess I shouldn't be though. Crazy people here in Texas usually holler at you from a bit of a distance. But in Missouri they get up in your face and back their ears and bare their teeth at you like a big mad ole Missouri Mule and bray really hideously loud and alarmingly right in your face. Then they whirl their rear around to you and kick at you with both hind legs.They're mean! Like mean mules!
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Comment #45 posted by museman on September 09, 2009 at 14:43:51 PT
Hope
Well, you certainly are a lot closer to the issue than I.My/our reasons for wanting to secede aren't anywhere near Texas's reasons, Us 'Jeffersonians' just don't like federalism, pure and simple.The hate attitudes being thrown around because of Obama aren't so obvious and prevalent here, though some of the 'born agains' and rednecks around here have said some pretty outrageous things that get around to all the public gossip loops -the kids bring it home from school-.We are living in a liberal state, and most of the 'liberals' in this state also score fairly high in intelligence, compared to the aforementioned rednecks.Ever notice how 'intellectually challenged' republicans seem to be these days, since they s/elected Bush as their leader?We are all human beings first. If we were wise -IMO- we would be citizens of the world after that, and then citizens of our own nation. This nation (politically/economicly speaking), since the time that it tried to murder me in a couple of it 'wars' has lied, cheated, stole from me, and not ever given me any reason to trust it, respect it, or consider it worth my devotion as a 'patriot.'This country, its people, its land and providence, on the other hand is my homeland. There is no other land like it in the world, and the 'experiment' in freedom and liberty that some few men and women take seriously to the point of jail time for their beliefs, is worthy of any and all effort on our part to make it work, but the 'Union' that the politicians talk about is forced, manipulated, biased towards certains classes of people, and exists without full consensus and agreement of its own population.The acts of revolutionaries are considered 'treasonous' by the powers of the status quo, but depending on their success, history often records them as 'heroic' 'patriotic' etc., when in fact if they were unsuccessful they become historical criminals and 'bad guys.'But in a really free society, there would be no need for revolution, because every day would be one -without war. Its only when you have a select few lording it over all the rest that you have situations that call for extreme measures that might call for something resembling 'rebellion' or 'treason.' If you are your own authority, who do you rebel against?LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 13:55:57 PT
Museman
(I really dislike the term I'm fixing to use. I just get sick of it.) I'm just saying.And I don't think I claim to really know anything about the law. I'm just wondering. I'm just amazed to hear of their "New" attitude... and asking. I just want to know. Super Patriot to secessionist in such a short time? What? Is their suddenly something about the United States that they can't handle?I'm trying to use terms they'll understand. Words and images that will get their attention. Maybe I can snap them out of it. Not likely, but maybe. There are, it seems, with the ones I know, anyway, definitely, some major trigger words for them. You know. Speak their speak. Gets their attention. If they will stop and really think about what they are doing. Fomenting a rebellion? I don't know. Maybe they will see their hypocrisy... especially those who suddenly want to throw around secession talk after our new President was sworn in.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 13:31:51 PT
Speaking of calm people.
Obama salutes Walter Cronkite at memorial servicehttp://bit.ly/1eUFd4
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Comment #42 posted by museman on September 09, 2009 at 13:28:51 PT
Hope #29
In a truly 'free' country, there is no such thing as 'treason.'LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 11:38:38 PT
Hope
Calm people are usually ok with themselves. That doesn't mean they don't have problems but they don't go orbital about problems. Sometimes I think people that hate so much are running from maybe taxes or bills or something. They aren't happy about much of anything. That is such a sad way to spend our precious time on this earth. I also think jealousy sets some people off too.
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 11:25:10 PT
"... people being so mean."
"I don't understand people being so mean."It seems to me that many people get off on being mean. They thrive on it. They are energized by it. They like the rush of it all.It's wrong. It's a bad thing. It's correctable only if they want it to be because the meanness is within them and they love it. They love the feeling of it. They get off on it.It's bad... and they don't care and we can't make them care.
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 11:17:32 PT
War
Just calling it a war, and promoting the drug laws as part of a very real war, has caused it to go on as out of control and unchecked as it has been for far longer than it might have, had it not been tagged a "War".I'm so sad about that preacher man in Georgia. If we could have gotten to the end of this pogram/war a month ago, he might still be alive and his unborn child might not be fatherless or his wife a widow.There are many things about the prohibition of cannabis and the war on drugs that really rattle all my hinges, but these deaths are the worst. So many of us dragging our feet against the propulsion of "The Machine"... and yet it still goes on, year after year. Killing and destroying.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 11:13:52 PT
Hope
What has concerned me is when I see hate it really bothers me. I look back now and people that often commented on here were the biggest haters and when finally we got a Democrat in power I thought they would be happy. I don't think Democrats were really a part of all the hate that went around towards Bush. I called him President Bush and said I would have to delete my own comment if I said how I actually was feeling when bad events happened in our area of interest on CNews. I was very upset about invading Iraq but so were many people all around the world. I don't understand people being so mean.
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 11:08:45 PT
Dongenero
Yes, they really do love really, really big, really, really big, bad, overwhelming power government for the drug war. It's a war. They tend to love war, it seems.
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 11:02:38 PT
People acting the way they do about the President
They'll all swear their attitude has nothing to do with some sort of racism.But I don't know. It's got that look and smell of it, to me.Maybe it's not. But I've always been sensitive to racism and I've seen a bit of it in my life. Some of the racist emails and jokes about the President that I've been made aware of from time to time, come to mind. Why make racist jokes and laugh at them and pass them on, if you don't have a perverted streak of appreciation for it, somehow?
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Comment #35 posted by dongenero on September 09, 2009 at 10:52:52 PT
Where do they stand on the drug war?
Where do you think many of these far right Republicans and conservatives that are so opposed to government involvement in anything, fall regarding the drug war? Or even just prohibition of cannabis?Logic would lead one to believe such ideology would certainly lead to support of legalization. My experience regarding the crazed right tells me otherwise. Many people wised up to the methods of the right from 2000 to 2008. I hope enough are catching on to the latest Rove style tactics (Just wanted to move the topic back on track a bit)
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 10:47:39 PT
The "Speech" Brouhaha
I don't know if Texas is a red state or a blue state. I don't really care. But things like this President's "Speech" to the school kids debacle, make the state of Texas look sort of a deep shade of maroon.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 10:40:20 PT
"throw the word communist around"
I've noticed that!Lately, it seems like I've heard it more often than I have, probably, since the sixties and the end of the Cold War.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 10:23:13 PT
Comment 27
It has been shocking. One revelation after another. People, that I had, heretofore, thought were more stable and balanced, in general, then they have revealed themselves, lately, to be.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 10:20:05 PT
dongenero
Thank you.
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Comment #30 posted by dongenero on September 09, 2009 at 10:16:43 PT
make that WND
It stands for World "Nut" Daily. The source of much collective insanity.
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Comment #29 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 10:15:18 PT
Secessionists
When I run into someone inclined to that thinking... or considering it, if I speak at all, I usually say something like, "Dang! I thought you were one of those "Real" Americans! A Patriot! I thought you love that flag to the point of weeping tears at the thought of it. Now you're all gung-ho for deserting in the hard times? What about the "America, Right or Wrong" times? Is promoting such a drastic action not an act of disloyalty, even treason against that flag, that nation, that country?"
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Comment #28 posted by dongenero on September 09, 2009 at 10:06:25 PT
FoM-I think being confused by the actions
of some Republicans and conservatives is a sign of normal brain function.It's the ones falling into every conspiracy theory foisted by WDN, then believing they are the only ones seeing the truth, that have lost touch with reality, their common sense and their humanity.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 09:51:03 PT
Hope
What I have seen since Obama became president has shocked me that people could act or think the way they do from birthers to guns at town hall meetings to words that they seem to use as hate words like socialized medicine. They throw the word communist around and I do not get it. When hate for having an intelligent, kind natured person as president is a bad thing what in the world will make them happy? Another thing I don't get. They complain about public schools but use public schools to shun Obama and go see Bush. I get more confused everyday.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 09:31:05 PT
Comment 22
Texas has it's share of bad and crazy people. And like lots of stuff here, for some reason, it's louder, more off key, and obnoxious than it is in some other places.Most people here think the "Secessionists" are certifiable. Completely. Their rantings and doings make them seem like they're nuts and likely, criminal. Very criminal. Criminal as in traitor, as in treason.
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Comment #25 posted by Had Enough on September 09, 2009 at 09:27:09 PT
Comment #22
“” A Texas school district that declined to allow students to listen to President Obama's speech to students on Tuesday will bus about 500 students to attend a Super Bowl-related event this month where former president George W. Bush will speak, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports.””That one line speaks of hypocrisy at it’s finest…so loud…it is deafening.No…you can’t hear the current president speak…we want you to listen to a former president speak at a Sporting Event (after several beers maybe???) This is what we, a Texan school distict/programmers…do…approve of…It is so transparent anyone can, and should, see right through it…
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Comment #24 posted by runruff on September 09, 2009 at 09:14:28 PT
So fun to watch you muse, Museman!
Where do I sigh up?
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Comment #23 posted by museman on September 09, 2009 at 08:54:24 PT
FoM #22
I guess the old US of A ain't so U(nited) after all.The immoral right have been in power for so long now they forgot about things like; constitutional law, correct, ethical behavior, good sportsmanship, not to mention all the dirty little racist and rich white (nearly the same thing) agendas being brought into the light.Even though some of my best friends are Texans, it was always one of the states I would avoid on my treks to and fro across the country.I vote for secession. If Texas succeeds, then maybe we can dust off the old "State of Jefferson" and establish 'ecotopia' like we wanted back during the "back to the land" movement that brought most of us here (to the Great Northwest.)LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 08:28:12 PT
Hope
I don't understand why people are acting this way. I was taught to respect the election process and when a President is elected we understood it was because more people liked the policies of one person and Party over the other person and Party. I am confused about what I have seen on the news surrounding our new and good President. I don't understand.***Texas School District That Declined Obama Speech Will Bus Kids To See Bush*** A Texas school district that declined to allow students to listen to President Obama's speech to students on Tuesday will bus about 500 students to attend a Super Bowl-related event this month where former president George W. Bush will speak, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports.http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/09/texas-school-district-that-declined-obama-will-bus-students-to-hear-bush.html
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Comment #21 posted by dongenero on September 09, 2009 at 08:22:22 PT
GDP corrections, then I'll get on topic
Texas' GDP as compared to countries of the world - Wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29Looks like Texas would fall in 16th position regarding GDP of the world's countries, just below Turkey and just above Indonesia and Iran. Measured per capita, purchasing power parity which accounts for relative cost of living and inflation rates.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_%28nominal%29This nominal GDP comparison places Texas at 12 compared to world economies. This nominal one is more impressive as it places Texas near Russia and India GDP but, not top 10. I don't think India will remain this low much longer. I also don't think Texas would remain this high were they to secede. Silly politicians:)The World Bank lists Texas at 15th of world economies.So would Texas survive secession? Maybe. Probably wouldn't be pretty for standard of living there. It's all academic though or more accurately, just plain silly and worthy of mocking.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 08:03:55 PT
Medical Marijuana For Muscular Dystrophy
I currently have two nephews with Muscular Dystrophy and I wanted to share this picture with everyone.***Medical Marijuana use for Muscular DystrophyAdded by Donna Gialanella on September 9, 2009 Since he can't use his arms Michael Oliveri's mother Christiane assists him when drinking his green tea. Michael Oliveri, 25, is in a wheel chair due to muscular dystrophy. After trying numerous medications in search for relief from tremendous pain, he tried medical marijuana, which he says miraculously improved his quality of life so much so that he left his family and friends in New Jersey to live in California, where his meds is legal and accessible. The legislature poised to consider the New Jersey Compassionate Use Medical Marijuana Act this fall, we look at the hotly debated topic of medical marijuana.. Photo by Aristide Economopoulos/The Star Ledgerhttp://photos.nj.com/star-ledger/2009/09/medical_marijuana_use_for_musc_8.html
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Comment #19 posted by dongenero on September 09, 2009 at 07:56:20 PT
Texas secession
Sounds like they would be overrun with oil wells, corrupt energy businesses and a cattle manure were they to secede.I believe most of the space program would go away from Texas along with all other forms of US government support. The point of a border wall with a seceded Texas would simply be border control. You know, the same thing Texas would be doing on their southern border.Fundamental human rights to what, enter foreign, sovereign nations, something that the US would then be to Texas and vice versa? Now you're talking about another form of union, no?not cool dude? heheActually the whole Texas secession thing is hilarious and ridiculous, like a spoiled child not getting his way and threatening to take his ball home. Bunch of bellicose, conservative, elitist politicians who would cut off your nose to spite their enemies. The fact is, Texas will not secede because, they know where their "bread is buttered".
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 09, 2009 at 07:35:14 PT
Hope
How could we not love you.
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on September 09, 2009 at 07:18:00 PT
And me? What about me?
And Willie and lots more of us?Don't you love us no mo'?Why the vitriolic attitude towards Texas and all things Texan?
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Comment #16 posted by Phoenix on September 09, 2009 at 03:31:01 PT:
#10
I sure hope Texas secedes too. If they did, I'd move there in heart beat. And Dude, "third world" is not the preferred nomenclature; "developing country", please. And even then, you are wayyyyyyy off. Texas boasts more Fortune 500 companies than any other state in the Union. Also, they are teeming with oil since America relies on foreign sources rather than tapping into domestic supplies. They still have a large cattle industry that has been their bread n butter since people began settling there, and the entire eastern half of the state has arable land for cultivating a number of staple crops. Technologically speaking, they would instantaneously become a space faring nation on account of the space center in Houston, not to mention hi-tech industries like Texas Instrument draw on highly talented specialists from Texas Tech. And then there is the security aspect. Texas has plenty of weapons manufacturers, not to mention a sizeable gun-totting populace. On it's own, Texas would be one of the top 10 economies in the world (I think somewhere between 6th and 8th). And it wouldn't seal the border on account of the fact that most of the border region of Texas is heavily populated by Hispanics who vote overwhelming Democrat. My question to you is why you want to seal Texas off from the rest of the US? Such a policy obviously hasn't kept Cuba from succeeding, so what makes you think it would work for Texas? Also, wouldn't this violate some fundamental human rights regarding the freedom of movement and association? Not cool, dude.But would they change their policy on drugs ....... ehh, maybe??
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Comment #15 posted by Hope on September 08, 2009 at 21:15:14 PT
"including Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison"
Ah yes. KBH. I've experienced those "Negative responspes" from Hutchison's office. Very negative.I see Caruther's pain and despair. At least he has a clue that he was wrong on the issue all along. He obviously hasn't got it all figured out yet. I started to count how many times the word "Pothead" was used in this article... but I just don't have the energy right now.Suffice it to say... it must be a hard thing to find yourself as one of "THEM" that you so easily despised before. Good grief! He's actually a member of an organized "Pothead" organization.Cannabis is an extraordinary and multifaceted pallative for the human condition. He just couldn't hear or see the truth until pain and illness drove him to it.Maybe people will believe him and care because he's so white, and Christian, and Republican and all ... but I wouldn't count on it too much, if I were him. Especially since he's just a danged old "Pothead" now. Nevertheless... welcome to the right side of the struggle, Mr. Caruthers.Isn't it ironic?Paraphrasing on "I ain't never picked cotton..."I aint never been busted...but my neighor has and my friend has...I aint never been bad, bad sick ...and denied something that could help me...But my neighbor has and my friend has...
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Comment #14 posted by John Tyler on September 08, 2009 at 20:09:42 PT
republican christian sick guy
You have to feel sorry for this guy. Here he was a “nice” smug, conservative, Republican, Christian and probably self-righteous guy (like so many others) who had his world turned upside down by a serious illness. (I bet he is rethinking his ideas about health insurance too.) He always looked down at “those people” that used cannabis as having some kind of stigma. Now, he has to associate with them. He is to become one of them by a cruel twist of fate. What a shock this must be for him. He will have to change a lot of his previously held stupid beliefs if he is to find peace. Like in the song “Amazing Grace”, “Once I was blind, but now I see”. Too bad he had to learn the hard way to see.
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Comment #13 posted by Brandon Perera on September 08, 2009 at 20:02:13 PT
When can we grow?
Crooked world will ever go notcrooked haha
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Comment #12 posted by ekim on September 08, 2009 at 19:43:52 PT
thanks Howard for giving peace a chance
Howard on the Hill Stories from the week of September 4, 2009 Time marches on: I was struck this week at the number of offices where the first person I met in 2006 or 2007 had been promoted: Legislative Assistant to Legislative Director, two had been promoted from LD to Chief of Staff. The new aides I spoke to pass on a summary of the meeting to their boss (usually the LD and a 60-90 second summary to the Member). Thus, the anti-prohibition message is refreshed & reinforced . One aide who had become chief of staff said she only had 3 minutes. Because she kept asking questions, we said good-bye after 10. Small steps. How do you spell frustration?: I spoke to a good number of aides this week who stated their personal support for repeal of prohibition but whose boss was never going to change. I can imagine how difficult a conversation with such a Member would be. I have been at this for 12 years. One must have the patience of Job. Git R Dun:* During the August recess I managed 117 staff presentations + a few other activities. Now that the members are back and the aides busier, I have time to catch up on some paperwork. *Git R Dun = Get the work done! = Schaffe es! Howard Citizens Opposing Prohibition PO Box 772Buckeystown, MD 21717-0772 Modern Prohibition/The War on Drugs is the most destructive, dysfunctional & immoral domestic policy since slavery and Jim Crow.
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Comment #11 posted by museman on September 08, 2009 at 08:57:52 PT
xtians and repugnants
are 'good enough' to qualify for medicianal cannabis, but 'potheads' aren't.I guess thats like saying to racists (during Jim Crow) that blacks with mixed heritage were 'better white people.'Only the people who are mainstream acceptable should get to smoke pot. -according to the assumptions being asserted, and the thing that is going to 'qualify' pot is to insure that no 'hippiness' or 'long haired revolutionaries' are going to come inhabit your town.Aparently, what with a black president and all, the lines and definitions of 'mainstream' are getting hazy, so before all the lies and propaganda from the WOD are replaced with the burgeoning truth, they are pretending to be sympathetic -to republicans and christians- and saying it might be alright for THEM to have cannabis, and then throwing all their useless 70 year old prohibition BS at those of us who have been right all along -the 'potheads and hippies.' I am getting real tired of the 'message' these embedded 'pot conservatives' are trying to brow beat into the uninformed and formerly fearful ('formerly' lol) populace, that conformity is the only way to get change. What kind of nonsense is that?Its good that people are talking, and the wave of cannabis liberation is washing over even such a conservative republican stronghold as Texas, but lets not let them have a hold of our efforts and labors, to establish their Nixon/Reagan/(Clinton)/Bush/Bush agendas of "Liberty and justice for the chosen few" and build more prisons for the rest.You know, its the easiest thing in the world to get a haircut, and put on a suit and tie, and then start mouthing whatever words needed to get through the 'acceptable' door, but what you leave behind is not so easy to get back- your own personal liberty to choose your destiny = "The pursuit of happiness."If that pursuit was as easy as conforming to the acceptable club, there'd be a lot of happy people in the world. I don't see them, or hear them, just all these clean cut demons trying to put us natural folk down all the time. Its getting so you can't tell a person by just looking at them anymore. But obviously if we are models of status quo appearance, then we might get a few more table scraps of liberty from the elite who decide our lives and future -with or without our consent.FREE CANNABIS FOR EVERYONE
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Comment #10 posted by dongenero on September 08, 2009 at 08:52:59 PT
Kinda hoping Texas will just secede
It would be quite a spectacle to see them go third world. They could build a big wall on the Mexican border and we can wall them in the rest of the way. I would feel bad for Austin though.Caruthers is just another conservative bone head with no empathy for anyone else, until....he finds himself in need. All of a sudden, he gets it. He doesn't move me either, he's as foolish as he ever was, just slightly more enlightened.
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Comment #9 posted by tintala on September 08, 2009 at 08:35:36 PT:
I know a few pot -nazis
Texas though if full of em! BIG SUGGESTION: If you like to smoke cannabis don't go to TEXAS. My brother was facing 12 years in Tarrant County prison for an ounce, spent 30 days there already. Barry Cooper is from ODESSA, i think he is good for texas and will run for ATTORNEY GENERAL there. However, I personally will never step foot there again. What is the "typical profile" of a pot user? Could it be my doc, or how about my attorney, nope it's the neighbor with all the tattoos, nope its the homeless guy, nuhuh, it's the person that comes home everynight to beat their wife.... Anyway, let's not DILUTE the real reason cannabis is illegal still,... LOBBYIST from 'BIG" corps. with their hands in our congress pockets as well as the prez. Anyone ever watch SICKO or THE UNION? THis shows the obvious.Pharm, OIl, TIMBER, COTTON, PRISONhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMe61RzdTPA&feature=channelor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gga7IZxBwbAorhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXiNX6BPH7Yor THE BEST ONE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyGolyxZxxoall the idiots here have a common rhetorical debate, it's too dangerous and our kids are getting ahold of it.
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on September 08, 2009 at 08:29:14 PT
Comment 7
Right. 'Oh my gosh! I have to lower myself! Condescend! I'm not really one of THEM! I'm human and smart and religious like you!'
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 08, 2009 at 07:32:43 PT
Just a Comment On The Article
I can't seem to feel much about this article because when I read condescending from a person it turns me off. I really mind when someone has to mention they are a Republican and a Christian. No one should lord it over people who don't march to that beat.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on September 08, 2009 at 07:15:58 PT
Waco's "Finest"
I sure hope they don't go after Mr. Caruthers.
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Comment #5 posted by Hope on September 08, 2009 at 07:11:51 PT
Certainly
I wish Mr. Caruthers all the best in his endeavors and his is a hard row to hoe, no doubt. But really... "Typical profile"?Got my vote in on your poll, Ray.
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on September 08, 2009 at 07:08:40 PT
"typical profile of a marijuana user"?
What exactly does thd man think that is, I wonder?
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Comment #3 posted by runruff on September 08, 2009 at 06:43:35 PT
Pot Nazis
Pot Nazis want everyone to do as they say or go to prison or be killed!-Pot Nazis!Me [my mind] my body, my neighbors, my 83 year old mother, My country and my planet, have a right to choose pot for whatever! If it isn't toxic, If the plants don't grow up to become carnivores like the plant in "Little Shop of Horrors" and reach out and grab you, [oooh, veddy sceady]!They will leave you without a pot to pee in so leave my pot alone! [my cannabis too]
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 08, 2009 at 06:04:31 PT
RevRayGreen
Thank you. I voted.
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Comment #1 posted by RevRayGreen on September 08, 2009 at 05:47:09 PT
Mason City Iowa online poll on marijuana
Please take this poll, combined 70% in favor right now....http://www.globegazette.com/articles/2009/09/06/opinion/editorials/doc4aa1f6f7a047f753744537.txt Do you support the decriminalization of marijuana?
No. Marijuana is bad- 21%