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Governor Expected To Sign Bill Legalizing Hemp
Posted by CN Staff on July 27, 2009 at 09:24:58 PT
By Alex Zielinski, News Reporter
Source: Oregon Daily Emerald
Salem -- Oregon could shortly become the seventh state to permit industrial hemp production, possession and commercialization if the governor follows through on plans to sign Senate Bill 676 that passed in the Senate and House in June.While Oregon would be the first state to allow hemp production on the West Coast, it will not be able to begin growing the plant, along with all other states that have passed the bill, until the federal government lifts its ban on national hemp production.
The main issue involved in legalizing hemp growth is its biological similarity and cultural association with marijuana. While both are members of the Cannabis family, marijuana contains up to about 20 percent THC, the main chemical in the plant that leads to psychoactive effects, while hemp only contains around .03 percent."People see hemp as a form of drug, when in reality, it would simply lead to a headache if used in that way," Sen. Floyd Prozanski said. Prozanski founded the movement to legalize hemp in Oregon 12 years ago by introducing a bill in the legislature.Hemp fiber and seed can be used as a principal substance for thousands of products, including health food, textiles, building materials, paper and plastics. "This plant is an incredible textile, and overall commodity," Gov. Ted Kulongoski said Tuesday. "Passing this bill is a positive step forward for the state."Currently, all of the hemp-made products in the U.S. must import the seed and fiber from countries such as Canada, Germany and China, leading to a pricey trade for the national businesses. Prozanski is critical of the government's prohibiting hemp production in the U.S. for so long."Compared to so many other industrially grown plants, hemp is a sustainable product," he said. "It would provide a complete full circle of benefit in the community that it is farmed and could lessen the carbon impact." Prozanski sees industrial hemp playing a large role as an agricultural commodity as soon as 2011, because he believes President Barack Obama, compared to George W. Bush, will be more flexible in this matter.If the bill becomes law, there will be strict regulations on the growing process. Farmers will only be allowed to use 2.5 acres of land for growing, equipped with a GPS identification for each licensed farmer's field. The state Department of Agriculture will be responsible for unlimited inspection of the growing plots, in which it will measure the amounts of THC in each plant, the area of the land farmers use, and the way in which the farmer is selling his or her share."Our role in this issue is limited to developing an inspection and certification program for industrial hemp if and when the federal prohibition is lifted," Oregon DOA spokesperson Bruce Pokarney wrote. A violation of any of the hemp-growing permit regulations leaves the farmer with a $2,500 fine.Pokarney says the DOA is still far from having enough funding to develop a hemp regulation program. "We have not been given any funds to develop a program yet and those types of considerations will be necessary before proceeding," Pokarney wrote.Until the mid-'70s, hemp was produced industrially throughout the country - in fact, it was subsidized. Not until marijuana became culturally known and outlawed was hemp looked down upon.If the federal government passes the hemp legislation, it might lead to a stronger state interest in legalizing marijuana. "This whole process may be the beginning of a larger discussion regarding the plant," Kulongoski said.Source: Oregon Daily Emerald (U of Oregon, OR Edu)Author: Alex Zielinski, News ReporterPublished: July 27, 2009Copyright: 2009 Oregon Daily EmeraldContact: letters dailyemerald.com Website: http://www.dailyemerald.com/URL: http://drugsense.org/url/eNHiB2nMCannabisNews Hemp Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/hemp.shtml
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Comment #81 posted by Paint with light on August 04, 2009 at 00:05:24 PT
FoM
The problems between me and the attacker could never be worked out because they only exist in his mind.I have nothing against anybody who doesn't call me names, make false accusations against me, and generally flame me from time to time.Any problem is completely with him.If he stops his attacks, problem solved.His rants and name calling don't bother me personally, but I don't think it is productive for the very important issue we deal with.I don't want to spend one minute of my life trying to communicate by e-mail or any other way with someone who has been so antagonistic and filled with hate.My moments in life are more valuable than that.I shunned him quite awhile back. I believe his main issue is, I stood up to him when I first came here as a poster(I was here for years before that), and have refused to stoop to his level ever since.I could have returned his insults word for word and thought for thought but what good would it do our cause?I don't think people who come here enjoy crap like that.I know I don't. I know this situation bothers you.I am sorry he upsets you.I am not guilty of anything here except getting attacked.I know he is important to you.He is nothing to me but a slight annoyance.Please don't let this situation bother you.It isn't worth it.We've got cannabis to get legalized.Legal like alcohol.I hope everything went good at the VA.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on August 03, 2009 at 04:24:20 PT
Paint with light
What would make me happy is if the two you could work this out privately in e-mail. We have to go to the VA Hospital today and we are leaving soon or I would try to write a little more.
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Comment #79 posted by Paint with light on August 03, 2009 at 00:12:12 PT
continued attacks
Sorry FoM, but I am not the one acting like a boy here.I have done zero attacks but have been attacked relentlessly.I do appreciate your trying to intervene.Your position here has always reminded me a little of what I can remember of the character Alice in Alice's Restaurant.I can hear the tune now, "You can learn anything you want, at FoM's cannabis news."Riding heard over a bunch of liberated thinkers isn't easy.FoM, you will notice I have not returned the repeated attacks and name calling being sent my way, nor will I.If anybody else ever echoed his comments I would pay more attention.As is I just consider him a disturbed individual who continues to attack me and claim self defense.Except for the first couple of weeks here, I don't think you will find any instance of me sending any negativity towards anyone.The only negativity I ever feel comes from one person.I understand it.His comments towards me are wasted time he will never get back.I will continue to post in an adult and controlled manner.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 14:21:53 PT
museman
I agree with you about Obama. He seems honest. That is unusual for a politician. He might not get health care like I had hoped but he gets an A for effort. He is intelligent yet sensitive. I trust his hand on the button.
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Comment #77 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 14:11:02 PT
FoM
I see great positive movements afoot in the world.I too am grateful for the relief from those damn republicans, who are the epitomy IMHO of the worst kind of humans possible.I am still watching mr O, and even though I don't like his politics, I think he is essentially honest, and that, means a great deal to me. I certainly respect him, though I'm sure we would have some very profound dis-agreements if we were ever to have a conversation. I wouldn't expect his dis-agreements to manifest as some kind of action against me, because he is honest and obviously of the more intelligent breed of politician. I certainly wouldn't/don't have any intent nor action against him either. If I disagree too much, I'll speak out politically against him at the next elections, but he'll have to sink pretty low at this point to get the same kind of disgust and disdain I have for his predecessor.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 14:00:51 PT
museman
Honesty is very important to me too.
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Comment #75 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 13:54:55 PT
FoM
There are many colors in the harmonious spectrum of human interaction, the seperation is an illusion, the difference is the beauty. Willingness to share and harmonize is the only requirement to get to experience that. Desires to the contrary, unfortunately are supported by the conforming unnatural systems we are all forced to accept.One cannot force another to see, we must be patient, however we must also be diligent to not allow deliberate negative interference to undermine and disrupt our honest efforts either.How is it that I can co-exist quite well with many differing points of view, while not necessarily agreeing all the time? Mutual honesty.Where there is deliberate contention -for the sake of contention only- there is great dishonesty, and one cannot expect -with any kind of proper prudence- honesty to suddenly become part of the action when it has been avoided thus far.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 13:38:41 PT
museman
I think I understand. I know that my values aren't other people's values. I have been pleased with this administration and the direction we are trying to go. I try to pay very close attention to stumbling blocks. Many people just don't like our country controlled by Democrats. For me I can finally stop worrying so much. Now I feel ok in letting it slowly evolve. So my way of looking at life is different then your way but they are good and should be followed by our own conscience. I hope I'm making sense.
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Comment #73 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 12:54:08 PT
FoM
I have no desire or expectations of you to 'pick sides'.And I know your motivations. I in turn was only responding to your efforts, from my current affected/infected perception.I've legally partaken of my herbal medicine, and mellowed some, but the essence of the problem just is not going to go away, from all I can see.I have some social deficiencies that have obviously carried over into my recent foray into cyber communication, I have dealt with numerous aspects of this already, and in turn experienced growth for it but it is obvious to me that, like my general life expereince in attempting to communicate advanced thought and ideas that by nature are adverse to the stagnant thought forms of the Status Quo, that there are just some walls, manifested as persons that aren't worth bashing ones head against.Having in essence the 'fight or flight' emotional reaction to having my own person dragged into a conceptual discussion, repeatedly, is unpleasant to say the least. The frustration of having my motivations of personal liberties, -and the knowledge of what does and does not prevent such from being- being mislabeled for the sake of ego, and having to suffer the common mistake of being associated with the same malformed intent and energy that is being painted, or cast on my face -as it were- is an intolerable situation, reminiscent of the scapegoating I experienced in High School, and just as infantile.The frustration of delivering the message is bad enough without a general tolerance -understandable due to the incredible dumbing down of humanity- of this kind of pubescent, adolescent interaction that is consistently throwing itself in the path like a true and deviously intended stumbling block.The thing about stumbling blocks, is, they usually only work once. I guess thats why I recognize them when I see them. It is not my own potential stumbling that angers and provokes me, it is the contribution to the general status quo ignorance and perpetuation of false authority, and finite contentions (that just hold up the process -stumbling blocks) being entered into the mix. The wormtonguing. So I admit to being at somewhat of a loss. There's no way that I can trust the motivations and intentions of the person who offends me, and extending anything towards that direction, is to me at this point tantamount to 'casting my pearls before swine' and not something I do consciously if I can avoid it. I guess in an environment where even the most vile and disgusting vermin can freely view whatever I write, I have been in denial of that. This has made it evident to me.But there are also many more folks, friends, colleagues, brothers and sisters whom I share the benefit of this medium of global communication, as well as common understandings and beliefs that do not deserve for me to abandon my duty as a conscious, and becoming conscious human being, and as an experienced elder of my people.I follow a calling I answered when I was 8 years old, and though the paths that course led me are far outside the mutual-use-and-abuse society of the rigid and static status quo, those paths have left me with some substance to contribute to the new growth of youthful consciousness that is blossoming forth, and we have no need of the constant drag of yesterdays failed systems jumping in front of our progress like circus clowns from hell. We have eaons of stupidity to correct in a very short time -if there is anything to be saved, and there is no time for wasting on trite and trivial 'arguments' that are only there for the sake of the argument. Only for the sake of distraction.I am not fooled. I am illuminated.I have cast my pearls before more worthy swine than this one, and managed to have them recieved by those they were intended to, so I am not ready to quit my calling just for the sake of mine or anyone elses pride or ego, but I surrender nothing.LEGALIZE INTELLIGENCE
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 11:19:15 PT
museman
It's obvious that the two of you have issues. I don't get in the middle and pick a side because that would at this point in my life go against my own conscience. I'm not upset or anything. I was trying to help.
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Comment #71 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 11:03:59 PT
FoM
If it were even remotely about that, this distraction from other more pleasant and/or worthy thoughts wouldn't be happening.I'm tired of getting slimed.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 11:00:21 PT
museman
I don't drink beer either. I was trying to get a laugh. I hope you can agree to disagree. That's how I get thru issues.
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Comment #69 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 10:57:21 PT
FoM
I don't drink beer, or any other form of alcohol except in extremely rare situations.A simple 'leave off' the BS would suffice for me.This 'argument' as anyone can easily surmise, is equivalent to the Lilyputians (in 'Gullivers Travels') arguing with the neighboring kingdom (to the point of war) about the 'correct' way to break an egg; the small end, or the large end.Frankly I could care less, but the BS just keeps coming. I have ignored it as best I can. If you or anyone (other than the accuser) thinks that it is I that is initiating this crap, then maybe it is time.This has never been about facts, or truth, or anything other than that mans pride about being proven wrong.I have admitted my errors -when they occur- several times here on Cnews, with several people, who are also capable of admitting their humanity, and we get on just fine.I do not go out of my way to point out the flaws in the numerous waste-of-space comments littering Cnews by this character, and in all of my so-called 'attacks' on this guy, the precipitated provocations are all there on record.This BS has certainly gone on long enough. I have plenty of things to do, that don't include having to associate with idiots. Yes, idiots. Call it an attack if you will, I just call a spade a spade.I have had a lot of support from folks here on Cnews, and I have deliberately attempted to not drag others into this, however if you read the posts all related to what I'm saying, that is not the case with this character. His is a campaign that reeks of provacaturism.If the motivation isn't small minded pridefullness, then it certainly isn't for solidarity amongst the ranks.My testimony and standing in the real community is untouchable, but the confusion that is being rendered here to unknowing individuals who just checked in is unacceptable. If I answer a question, I do so with innocent intent to answer the question, not to prove some ambiguous point that makes me 'look good.' And if my answer isn't perfect, I expect enough respect to inform me without BS, inuendo and attempts to assasinate my character. Since it is obvious to me that this person equates 'respect' with 'ass-kissing' like so many other status quo idiots that intelligent people must tolerate that get in the way of actual communication of thought and idea in order to make real progress towards peace and sanity in the world, there is no point in giving energy to it.Na, continued BS is not acceptable. It would be better for me to find other avenues to serve this cause than to continue to waste my time, yours, and the other serious members of this community with such.ILLEGALIZE IDIOCY
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 09:46:02 PT
Boys Boys Boys
Maybe we need a beer summit. I'm just kidding but maybe the two of you can find one area of agreement? Just try to agree that you disagree. That always works for me.
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Comment #67 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 09:36:11 PT
tall vs fibre length
As I asked for confirmation the other day from Hempworld about the length of fibers of sativa vs indica, there seems to be some haziness about that due to the fact that hemp originally comes from cannabis indica, and the sativa hybridization is relatively new in the history of cannabis, as well as the fact that length of fiber and tallness of plant has as smuch to do with growing technique as well as genus.I'd say that the idea that sativa gets taller than indica holds true in other countries with longer growing seasons, but in America, the indica, because of its shorter season, and faster growth will get taller faster and mature quicker than sativa.I tend to base my conclusions on observation, not some statistcal analysis done in the 'academic' realm. My own experience only fails me when dealing with narrow mindedness that cannot get outside the confines of 'documentation.'I have believed that the fibers of cannabis indica were longer, and in that mistaken belief I am of course willing to stand corrected. However the difference, when taking into account climate, growing season, hybridization, and farming techniques (like growing plants close together for lengthening of stalk and stem -longer fibers-) still renders the discussion moot.I guarantee that if given a plot of ground, and the means to grow a crop, I could grow a field of indian hemp (indica) taller, and faster than sativa, at least in America. Facts.And as far as 'attacking' is concerned, I actually feel that I've shown tremendous restraint in the face of such ignorance and kiss-ass mentality as had been coming from you Mr "Taints With Spite." Aparrently I have given you something to strive towards in your obviously meaningless life, since just about everything you do here on cannabis news seems to be either a set up to attempt to push my buttons, or a direct and ignorant attempt to 'discredit' my knowledge and opinions.And in the case of nearly every new member that has come along since you started this charade, I and others have witnessed your attempts to snide me and confuse them.Give it up.Get a life.Go smoke a joint for godsake.
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Comment #66 posted by museman on July 31, 2009 at 09:08:21 PT
christ
Mother plants are perennials usually kept alive under lights, and branches cut of for clones in a perpetual process. There are some mother plants here in Oregon that re over 20 years old!As long as the plant is left with enough leaf to photosynthesize, and it gets all the other stuff it needs, it can be kept alive indefinitely.FREE CANNABIS FOREVER
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on July 31, 2009 at 05:42:42 PT
christ
Cloning is a long time used process for duplicating a plant, tree or flower. I was visiting back in eastern PA a number of years ago and I saw a tree that I liked so I was given a branch and wrapped it up in plastic and kept moisture in it and came home and planted it. I now have a large Japanese Willow tree that was never around this area. My mother cloned tropical plants by taking a cutting putting it in water until roots started to grow and then planted them. If you top any plant completely it will die but taking cuttings has been done very easily for many years.
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Comment #64 posted by christ on July 31, 2009 at 03:23:31 PT
(Paint with light #46) - glossary question 4 any1
Paint with light's post mentioned "cloning". In a nutshell, does "cloning" mean that someone cuts off part of a plant and then grows the cutoff part into a new plant?What about a "mother plant"? I occasionally see that term, and have no idea what it means.And another uneducated (maybe related) question, what would happen if someone were to cut off the main flower section of a plant? Would the whole plant die, or would it be like removing the fruit from a fruit tree, and it just grows more fruit?
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Comment #63 posted by Paint with light on July 30, 2009 at 22:18:02 PT
wind
Often very strong winds(70 to 80 miles per hour) precede any precipitation.Sometimes this is referred to as a wall cloud.An advancing wall cloud can lift particles of matter a lot larger than pollen and carry them all the way to the jet stream.The jet stream then carries those particles hundreds of miles.During the late 30's there was the dust bowl era.Lots of storms.No rain.Equal with alcohol.
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Comment #62 posted by Paint with light on July 30, 2009 at 21:51:14 PT
#54
Once again the personal attacks begin against me.This from a person who thinks Indica is a taller variety of plant than Sativa.Nuff said about that.Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on July 30, 2009 at 14:22:53 PT
museman
That is very interesting but way over my head. I know that after seeing Neil Young when he did the play/concert Greendale I felt like I was floating for days. Music is good for the spirit of man.
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Comment #60 posted by museman on July 30, 2009 at 13:16:59 PT
FoM
music is really good for us..Don't get me started.But a word jumps out; "Bard"At one point in my life I researched the roots of my own 'tribal' culture back to pre-RomaChristo genocidal apocalypse, to Celtic origins. The 'earth magic' of mans natural co-exisence with nature, still present and evident within the surviving 'native' cultures of the Turtle Continent, was embodied within the tribal shamanism of the 'Druids.' One of the best known, but least attributable aspects and manifestations of 'druidry' was the Bard. Quite often it was a Bard who ended up the 'High Druid.'The Bards had a multi-layered function in parts of pre-christian Europe. They were messengers, entertainers, spies, advisors to kings, teachers, and in terms of natural 'earth magic' (that was in an embryonic state, literally cut off in its infancy, like so many other free, tribal cultures and societies labeled by the elite as 'barbarians' and 'inferior races') the Bards were inventors, and in the most real and classic sense, scientists, mislabeled by ignorance as 'sorcerors' and magicians -. And music was the center core of their lives, just beside their faith, knowledge, and belief.The Bards survived the Conquest of the first Horse of the Apocalypse, and some of their culture remanifested itself in a historical 'sect' known as the "Waldenses" that was a kind of underground resistance against thte Holy Roman Empire. They were historicaly persecuted to death by the Church, and what remained went further underground, but could be found in such places as the 'Gypsy Camps.'And of course the Second Horse that was manifested in Rising of the Beast historicly known and tagged on 'Hitler' all but wiped them out.The Third Horse came quickly, much quicker than the second from the first, and to continue the postulation (of the '4 Horsemen' -the rest is historical fact) the re-emergence of awarenes of our relationship to the earth, and the 'magic' that is our heritage manifested quite largely in the music enhanced revolutions in thinking, resulting in understanding more, and more levels of consciousness - that began with a burst of psychedelic color and sound in the era referred to as 'the 60's'- is contrasted by the '3rd world' very real specter of very real famine...and the Fourth Horse followed swiftly behind.The Bards are the Shaman of my people, my tribe, and in this day we are all merging into the same levels of consciousness (at least those who are doing so) but history gives us a thread, to look back and see the path our ancestors have walked to get us to here, and we must always honor that.And thats just the tip of the 'How music is good for us' iceberg.(The use of the '4 Horsemen of The Apocalypse' is meant as an illustrative metaphor, and not a 're-interpretation' of anything.)(there is much more to the story of Druidism, and not all good and natural, but that part of ignorance manifests everywhere in our cultures)LEGALIZE CANNABIS -along with the rest of Providence and Creation
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on July 30, 2009 at 12:26:43 PT
museman
I downloaded it and am listening to it now. It's good. Thank you. I saw on the news today that music is really good for us physically. I believe that.
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Comment #58 posted by museman on July 30, 2009 at 12:05:30 PT
FoM -
This song is about 22 years old. The man singing the lead is no longer with us. It was my second album, recorded in a log cabin in Southern Oregon via solar power on a 4-track cassette. You can hear my attempts at being a drummer, as I played all the parts. I'm singing second vocals.I looked for an appropriate song that perhaps you haven't heard.(streams from the lyrics webpage)http://www.terryhubbard.com/Lyrics/BrighterDay.htmlDownload:http://www.terryhubbard.com/hist/edensongs/Brighter_Day.mp3this one you've heard, but it did come to mind;http://www.terryhubbard.com/Lyrics/MatterOf.html
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on July 30, 2009 at 11:20:03 PT
museman
FREE CANNABIS FOREVER! I agree.
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Comment #56 posted by museman on July 30, 2009 at 10:17:31 PT
Hope #43
Yes, when asked a reasonable question, that I know the answer to, passion is often not necessary, but as you can see, (by the attempts to discredit my answers) I am constantly provided with motivation and reason for my passion.How idiots get put in charge of important things like raising our children, guarding our health, and supposedly representing our best interests, when they have no business being there, confusing the issues, corrupting reality, and passing off false information as 'gospel' really gets my blood pressure up. Fortunately, cannabis helps with that. And I know this from testing myself, and monitoring my BP -not from some overblown, overpaid, useless seat warmer who got some 'degree' somewhere.Thanks for noticing. LEGALIZE FREEDOM
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Comment #55 posted by museman on July 30, 2009 at 10:05:34 PT
because of one idiot i have to fix this...
"While weather is of course the ONLY factor where cross pollination could occur, the idea that every thunderstorm would 'pollinate for hundreds of miles' is ludicruos. Rain has a tendency to ground small particulates- like pollen and they go nowhere. I think I outlined the possibilities of cross pollination quite adequately. The main pollinators of everything in the plant world is not weather, its insects."Well obviously weather can't be the 'only' factor if insects are the main pollinators. -there, its fixed.And I'd like to add that the 'particulates' of mount St. Helens were shot several miles up into the atmosphere by the explosion, and that scenario can hardly have anything to do with cross pollination -in the real world.
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Comment #54 posted by museman on July 30, 2009 at 09:53:52 PT
#46
Conjecture, inapplicable and wrong.
SorryBut its only to be expected from ignorance.*****Rancher, pay no attention to this dude, he disagrees with me no matter what the facts are, or how they are presented.The facts are just as I wrote them in comment #41.While weather is of course the ONLY factor where cross pollination could occur, the idea that every thunderstorm would 'pollinate for hundreds of miles' is ludicruos. Rain has a tendency to ground small particulates- like pollen and they go nowhere. I think I outlined the possibilities of cross pollination quite adequately.
The main pollinators of everything in the plant world is not weather, its insects.Cloning may be 'rocket science' for some who has their eyes, ears, and mind totally filled with the dross of psuedo scientific BS -like the propaganda taught in schools, but for people who grow quality herb, well lets just say they would be laughing at such an ignorant statement.Cloning is as simple as cutting off a branch and putting it in water. - Thats the hard way.And most modern growers, choose clones over seeds for obvious (to most intelligent people) reasons.There is a thriving side business, in both Oregon and California, providing clones for growers, with the same variety and selection that we used to look for in seeds, but went over to cloning about 20 years ago, and very few (here) grow from seed, except to refresh the strain.Of course I can only speak for the West Coast, where the majority of quality Cannabis Americana is grown, and the processes I have been involved in since 1979, from Humboldt to Seattle. But since I don't have any 'published' work, my on site, in hand, actual experience is not 'authoritative' enough for those who choose to let others do their thinking for them, and regurgitate shallow statistical redundancies for the sake of somehow finding error where there is none.FoM, I am getting real tired of this guy.FREE WEED FOR EVERYBODY -alcohol is a solvent, it addles your brain, makes you make ridiculous statements like #46
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on July 30, 2009 at 09:32:52 PT
Hope and Had Enough
That's so funny.I hope Noelle is doing fine these days too.
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Comment #52 posted by Had Enough on July 30, 2009 at 09:29:53 PT
Memory Lane trip…More detail
Noelle Bush, the 24-year-old daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, was arrested today (January 29) and charged with trying to fill a false prescription at a Tallahassee pharmacy. With Uncle George preparing to deliver his first State of the Union address tonight, Noelle got nabbed trying to illegally score a Xanax 'scrip at a Walgreens. Memory Lane trip…More detailNoelle Bush, the 24-year-old daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, was arrested today (January 29) and charged with trying to fill a false prescription at a Tallahassee pharmacy. With Uncle George preparing to deliver his first State of the Union address tonight, Noelle got nabbed trying to illegally score a Xanax 'scrip at a Walgreens. She was charged with fraudulently obtaining a controlled substance and released pending a court appearance. Here's her mug shot and the police incident report. (4 pages)
Click here for more Bush family hijinks.http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/noellebush1.html************Bush Nephew Nabbed Jeb's youngest son in Texas booze, resisting arrest bust SEPTEMBER 16--One of President George W. Bush's nephews--the youngest son of Florida Governor Jeb Bush--was arrested early today and charged with public drunkenness and resisting arrest. John Ellis Bush, 21, was nabbed at 2:30 AM by Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission agents in Austin (Jeb Jr.'s street corner arrest came in one of the capital's popular bar districts). According to the below arrest warrant, filed with the Travis County Municipal Court, an intoxicated Bush, "continually pushed against this officer and struggled as I attempted to handcuff him." After about four hours in custody, Bush was released on $2500 bond for the resisting count (the intox charge was covered by a personal recognizance bond). This is the second time young Jeb--pictured in mug shot at right--has landed on a police blotter. In October 2000, Jeb, then 16, and a girlfriend were discovered naked from the waist down in a Jeep Cherokee parked at a Tallahassee mall. Jebby's siblings, George and Noelle, have also had well-publicized run-ins with the fuzz. (2 pageshttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0916052bush1.html************ Here's a few things: 1) George P. Bush might be a hunkalicious young Republican, but he still seems a bit creepy. So TSG wasn't too surprised to learn that "P" was involved in a troubling 1994 incident described in this Metro-Dade Police Department report. On December 31, 1994, Bush showed up at 4 AM at the Miami home of a former girlfriend. He proceeded to break into the house via the woman's bedroom window, and then began arguing with his ex's father. Bush, then a Rice University student, soon fled the scene. But he returned 20 minutes later to drive his Ford Explorer across the home's front lawn, leaving wide swaths of burned grass in his wake. Young Bush avoided arrest when the victims declined to press charges. (3 pages)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/georgep1.html************ Look, TSG has as much respect for the presidency as the next web site, but you gotta figure that First Daughter Jenna Bush is going to turn up soon in one of those "Girls Gone Wild" videotapes. Just two weeks after copping to an underage drinking charge, the 19-year-old party girl has been rapped (along with twin sister Barbara) for another Texas booze incident. The Austin Police Department today (May 31) issued Jenna a misdemeanor citation for using someone else's driver's license in a failed bid to order a drink at a Mexican restaurant on May 29 (sister Barbara got nailed for successfully obtaining booze that same evening). The new citation is Jenna's second scrape with the law in recent weeks. On May 16, as these Municipal Court records show, Jenna pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of being a minor in possession of alcohol (the legal drinking age in Texas is 21). As part of the plea--which would have expunged the case from Bush's record if she behaved herself for a whole 60 days--Jenna was ordered to "commit no further offenses against the laws of the State of Texas and the City of Austin." Perhaps Jenna didn't read the fine print. If young Bush gets cited in the new booze probe, she could have her lenient punishment in the first case (a $51.25 fine, 8 hours of community service, and an alcohol awareness course) revoked and prosecutors might seek a formal criminal conviction and a suspension of her driver's license. (7 pages) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jenna1.html
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on July 30, 2009 at 09:24:13 PT
Noelle Bush
I wonder how she's doing these days?
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Comment #50 posted by Hope on July 30, 2009 at 09:22:19 PT
Cat Herding video/commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE
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Comment #49 posted by Had Enough on July 30, 2009 at 09:05:29 PT
A walk down ‘Memory Lane’…2002
Noelle Bush, daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, was arrested by Tallahassee police in January 2002 and charged with trying to fill a fake prescription for Xanax. After entering a court-ordered drug treatment program, Bush was rearrested in July 2002 when a counselor found her in possession of unauthorized pills. In October 2002, an Orlando judge ordered her back to jail for another violation of her treatment program.Click to see... mug shots and all...http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nbushmug1.html
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Comment #48 posted by Hope on July 30, 2009 at 08:44:48 PT
Had Enough Comment 44
You're right. I hadn't thought about that.Both coastal, too.
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Comment #47 posted by Had Enough on July 30, 2009 at 08:34:04 PT
Common Denominators…Hope #44
“”Florida... I tend to think of it as being as draconian a state as Texas is.””The 'Sons of Bushes' ruled both states…
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Comment #46 posted by Paint with light on July 29, 2009 at 22:32:05 PT
Thunderstorms
Particles of St. Helens much larger than pollen blanketed the east coast thousands of miles away for weeks.A good thunderstorm and a strong updraft rolling over a 500 to 1000 acre hemp field would pollinate plants for hundreds of miles.Most people growing seedless pot don't want any seeds.Clones are used by a smaller percentage of growers than seeds.For those people who have trouble growing from seeds, cloning is like rocket science.I like one poster's idea of converting abandoned warehouses.People could use recycled glass from other condemed buildings for the roofs. Legal like alcohol.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on July 29, 2009 at 14:36:04 PT
Time Article About Florida
Florida's New Marijuana Boom: House-Grown and Super-PotentJuly 29, 2009URL: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1913401,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on July 29, 2009 at 14:11:15 PT
Had Enough Comment 42
I hope they are successful in their effort.Florida... I tend to think of it as being as draconian a state as Texas is. I hope it makes the ballot and passes.I'm getting to where I sort of look forward to Novemember and elections like I used to look forward to Christmas when I was a little kid.Only Christmas seemed to take forever to get here, then. These elections seem to come around pretty quickly and often.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on July 29, 2009 at 14:07:39 PT
:0)
Museman,I love it when you post such a serious and well thought out comment, and then, seemingly, rear back and shout "FREE CANNABIS FOREVER!"Amen, Brother Museman!
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Comment #42 posted by Had Enough on July 29, 2009 at 10:16:50 PT
DRIVE STARTED TO DECRIMINALIZE POT IN JACKSONVILLE
DRIVE STARTED TO DECRIMINALIZE POT IN JACKSONVILLE BEACHby Josh Salman, (Source:Florida Times-Union24 Jul 2009FloridaGroup Pushes to Make Small Amount a Civil Infraction. A proposed Jacksonville Beach amendment is taking aim at the current marijuana laws, with hopes to make part of them vanish into a puff of smoke. The nation's largest marijuana advocacy group is pushing a plan to make possession of less than 20 grams a civil infraction instead of a criminal misdemeanor. If the group's petition receives 1,442 signatures from registered Jacksonville Beach voters, a decriminalization amendment would be added to the ballot in the November 2010 general election. If it passes, it would be the first of its kind in Northeast Florida, and organizers say they would push it in the other Beaches communities and Jacksonville. Nationally, similar amendments have passed in several other cities, including Denver, and a handful of states. "It's the will of the people and a product of our grandparents," said Ford Banister, chapter president of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, who's spearheading the proposition. "It's a political hot potato, and nobody wants to touch it. We're out to change that."The rest found here… http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v09/n734/a12.html
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Comment #41 posted by museman on July 29, 2009 at 09:10:25 PT
rancher
Welcome to Cnews;In partial answer to your question;As 'hemp' and 'medical' are both strains of cannabis, the male pollen of both, as well as the female flowers, are indeed capable of cross breeding, the possible mixing of strains is a real concern, however, if one is a gardener, and grows their (medical) plants like they should be grown, with plenty of attention, unless the garden is like right next door to a large hemp field, the incidence of random, unwanted seeding should be rather small, if any. And even if there is seeding -on a small scale- the crop is hardly 'ruined.' One just does not use those seeds if they are known to be inferior (for THC content).If one was deliberately growing a seed crop (usually just one plant) there would be concern. But as a good portion of medical cannabis is grown from cloning, and indoors, the whole debate becomes moot.In the day of the heat of the WOD, here in Oregon, a lot of pot was grown on BLM or National Forest land, occasionally close by fields that could easily have grown much hemp. The relative proximity of 'illegal' gardens to such farms would have been worrisome to the guerilla farmer, but as the general supply is now under much more controlled conditions (by the gardener) this too is a relatively unfounded concern.Now if one is part of the so-called 'mexican cartels' that are supposedly growing out there in the spots us hippies used to grow, and we start growing hemp, there would be cause for concern for their crop. But if people start supporting their local everything; farmers, cottage industries, craftsmen, artists, and musicians, instead of transporting it from out of area, the whole (invented IMO) concern of 'mexican pot growers on american soil' would also become moot.I suspect that the 'concerns' of Oregon growers about seed contamination, are more related to fears of profit loss from falling pricess than anything else.Fortunately, the day of the greedy psuedo hippy growing pot to elevate their financial/social status to become pot land barons is over, and legitimacy is slowly displacing those old ways of doing things.All in all I'd say the concerns are relatively overblown and unfounded.FREE CANNABIS FOREVER
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on July 29, 2009 at 08:49:22 PT
This reminds me of something
I was thinking about the other day when a thread led to an article about Detroit, I believe it was, ought to use open spaces for cannabis production. I got to thinking of all the warehouses and big old factories closed down across the country and the pollination problem that seems to be a problem for flower growers.Those big old wasted buildings might be ideal sites for legitimate companies, when prohibition is over, to set up indoor protected from pollen "Manufacturing" sights. Just a thought."Tattered thread"? Lol. Tattered hemp thread... that's funny, Runruff. I think hemp thread doesn't tatter so easily. Thinking about hemp thread ... years ago, before carpet installers started gluing carpet seams together, we sewed seams together with waxed hemp thread. That's some mighty powerful thread there. Sewing carpet seams together. And they held. Hemp thread is powerful stuff.... if you don't want tatters, breakage, and fraying.
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Comment #39 posted by rancher on July 29, 2009 at 08:31:48 PT:
Will hemp pollen ruin medical marijuana?
Thanks Hope and FOM for the welcome. I have been reading here for years but all my earlier attempts to register failed. I'm glad I finally got through the gate. I am curious if anyone has any real data on the issue of hemp pollen affecting marijuana grown for flowers? The issue surfaces often here in Oregon. There are some medical marijuana growers who oppose hemp production because of the pollen fear. I know that pollen can travel and be viable at long distances but I have always assumed that the number of flowers pollenated at any distance would be very small. So if you have a hemp field down the road, a flower farmer might get a few rogue seeds but it wouldn't ruin a crop. Some flower farmers believe it would ruin the crop. Is there any real evidence on this subject?
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on July 29, 2009 at 08:18:13 PT
runruff
I agree. When I am presented with a question I really think about how to answer. I have found it better to think and contemplate the question and then I will try to answer it as honestly as I can. I don't follow ideas but figure out how I perceive the issue. I guess I am sort of a rebel. I never was comfortable just nodding my head and going along with the crowd.
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Comment #37 posted by runruff on July 29, 2009 at 08:07:04 PT
FoM
This is becoming a tattered old thread!I just wanted to share an observation; "recognition [awareness] is the first step toward change"-Runruff
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on July 29, 2009 at 05:54:07 PT
Just a Comment
I haven't found any news to post so far today but this is a very slow time of year. I hope everyone is enjoying the summer.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on July 29, 2009 at 05:46:09 PT
Afterburner
That is the way it was. In this area lots of people garden and can the fruits and vegetables for winter.
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Comment #34 posted by Paint with light on July 28, 2009 at 22:37:31 PT
Why they limited it to 2.5 acres
"The State Department of Agriculture will ......measure the amounts of THC in each plant."As thick as I have always seen Hemp grown(several plants to the foot), it will take a crew of 100 agents from April till September to test just one field.Then figure that the THC content usually varies as the plant ages.Also, what part of the plant are they going to measure?Even in hemp I expect the tops have more THC than the stalks which make up the main product.Would they cut a section out of a stalk or take a clipping and interpolate?The only problem I see with hemp is how far the pollen can travel and polinate someone's lovely ladies.Greenhouses for the ladies are a solution but then that limits the size of a recreational cannabis or medicinal cannabis operation.Some people would say that is a good thing and would be a built in control for price and quantity.Legal like alcohol, or cotton.
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Comment #33 posted by afterburner on July 28, 2009 at 21:58:48 PT
museman #14 & FoM #12 "middle men"
Here is a comment that beautifully spells out the alternative to the factory farm / agribusiness approach.comment:
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If you've ever lived on a farm, and I mean a real, honest too goodness family sustaining farm, you might see this in a different light. Eating with the seasons is what humans (mammals) have done for centuries and only within the past century have we, on a large scale, decided that we will eat fresh strawberries and spinach year round, no matter where it comes from or how it gets to the table. On a small farm in Ohio, we were blessed with produce abounding from late spring into fall, but the rest of the year we managed off of our home canned, dried, cellared and frozen produce, with anything else truly needed being bought from the store (which was always sub-par and from god knows where with god knows what sprayed on it and in it). Chicken and eggs were consumed in the spring and summer when they were producing abundantly and happily and and a cow in the winter after the frost had sweetened the grass (and deer are best in the fall going into winter also). Eating seasonally and locally is very difficult in many climates if it weren't for the grocery stores everywhere that bring in foods from all continents, all times of the year. So you may not want to eat meat if you have the luxury of always eating fresh, raw vegetables and fruits, but when it's dead winter and there is 3 feet of snow on the ground and the money isn't exactly flowing to run out and buy fresh produce, that root cellar with potatoes and parsnips will be a gold mine, and that cow that was slaughtered (almost all of the cow is used, also, unlike going to the store and buying pretty wrapped up steaks) will go into the best, tastiest warm-you-up-right stew you've ever had... Then again, most people don't know what that is like anymore... Some grocers are open 24/7/365, and they almost always have "fresh" carrots, grapes, strawberries, cucumbers and anything else you could ever want. But if you ever had to truly live off the land, and only the land you had to work with, you might not balk at eating red meat. Walk a mile (or a whole season) in one of those pairs of shoes. It's a beautiful thing.
Airbo 7/26
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--Proven: Eating Red Meat Raises Death Risk from Cancer and Other Diseases.
Friday, July 24, 2009 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer.
Key concepts: Meat, Cancer and Red meat
http://www.naturalnews.com/026692_meat_cancer_red_meat.html
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Comment #32 posted by John Tyler on July 28, 2009 at 19:53:36 PT
2.5 acres?
I guess this is a start, but the legislators are either covering their behinds if something goes wrong, or they don’t understand farming, or hemp. For farming, 2.5 acres is pretty small. It would be farmed with tractors, etc., not with rakes and hoes. Industrial hemp is sold by the ton, not by the ounce. You know, truckloads of the stuff. Oregon is a pretty big state with lot of rural areas and lot of farms. So, having each patch monitored by a farm agent and checking each plant for THC content sounds way overly complex and unworkable. Oh well, we can give it a chance and see what happens. Maybe after the legislators see that the sky won’t fall, or the boogeyman won’t get them, they will come up with something sensible.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 19:11:43 PT
Natural, Versatile and Earth Friendly
I have always been a person who likes to dream. Dreaming can help us grow and change. Being curious is good too. I always wanting to know more. Hemp could make many products and it all would be good.
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 18:45:07 PT
I have a feeling that the future
of mankind is heavily tied to making good use of the hemp plant in ways that most of us never imagined.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 17:48:40 PT
Hope
I think the options for hemp are as many as we can dream up. Food, Fuel, Fiber and Farmaceuticals as DdC always said.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 17:21:27 PT
:0)
SShhhh! Ok. Birds? Seeds? What birds? What seeds?
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 17:19:21 PT
Hemp possibilities...
As most of you know... I've been fascinated by the idea of hemp as firebreaks in brush-fire prone country, ever since the debacle in Afghanistan where they couldn't burn that hemp. Another "crazy" thing I've been thinking about... I read sometime ago that the plague in Europe caused the Little Ice Age because farmers were too ill to keep their land clear and brush grew up all over the place and caused a climate change... The Little Ice Age. Well, we know that some strains of hemp can grow tall and heavy... tree like... very quickly. More quickly than most plants. Why not plant acres and acres of barren or polluted land with tall, thick growing hemp and let it clean the soil and perhaps, if that's true about the Little Ice Age's cause... reverse Global Warming? Why not? Seems like it's certainly worth a try. Use of the hemp plant might really actually save the world... literally... from global warming.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 17:05:50 PT
Bird No Fly Zone
Maybe you should be quiet. They'll think that's an excellent idea. LOL!
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 17:03:08 PT
As I understand such...
they "sterilize"... or make them not viable, by heating them, more or less, cooking them. The birds would sample them while they were growing... so the seeds would be unsterilized... and viable. Maybe these little patches of hemp will be no fly zones for birds and other animals.Maybe I'd better be quiet... maybe they haven't thought about that yet.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 17:00:15 PT
rancher
Welcome to CNews. Oregon is a progressive state. Soon more and more politicians will give up and give in. A little more time and it just might happen.
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Comment #23 posted by tintala on July 28, 2009 at 16:58:57 PT:
I would specialize in a product
But i would still need more than 2.5 acres, I think once the HEMP innovations come, then the "NEED" will be there for the farmers to grow a larger amount with the due processes in order first, like taking the seeds or fiber to be processed, but if that doesn't happen , then it will have to be the farmers job to process and make their own line.
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 16:49:02 PT
Hope
Birds would do that. Hemp hemp hurray then! LOL!
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 16:46:16 PT
A Question
Don't they sterilize the seeds?
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 14:54:54 PT
And what about all the happy, healthier
CRIMINAL birds that will be spreading the seed far and wide? Hemp has seeds and birds love hemp seed and we know what happens when birds eat seeds. They don't always digest completely and fence rows will suddenly be springing up hemp plants for miles around.*sigh*Will the world ever get over the all the idiocy that has been inflicted upon it springing from the prohibition of this good plant?
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on July 28, 2009 at 14:47:51 PT
Welcome to C-News, Rancher.
This article. This thing seems a perfect case of many words and much ado about absolutely nothing. It's seemingly all about setting up practicing at testing, measuring land area and thc values, and watching and fining... and only IF and WHEN the feds ok it. Even if farmers could grow it... they wouldn't. Obviously. Two and a half acres? Where in the world did that come from? Why not one or five acres or a ten by ten foot plot? And if a farmer makes a mistake on a crop that won't bring in two hundred dollars... if it somehow tests a little high in THC or it spreads out to a little more than two and a half acres then he or she is fined two thousand five hundred dollars. This seems like some sort of convoluted joke or a way to create a fine gathering situation. And you know the "License" mentioned will be far from free. Maybe it's me... but neither the article, nor the bill itself, seem to make much, if any sense at all.
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Comment #18 posted by rancher on July 28, 2009 at 13:34:38 PT:
hemp in oregon
I'm glad Oregon finally passed a hemp bill. Farmers won't be growing it yet so the stupid 2.5 acre limit doesn't matter yet. And Governor Kulongoski saying it might start a larger look at the plant is promising. On the other hand a few months ago I heard him answer a question about legalizing marijuana that was posed as he spoke at the Eugene City Club. Kulongoski managed to ramble for ten linutes without addressing the issue. These chisken politicians who know marijuana should be legalized but are afreaid to say so should be embarassed.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 11:13:17 PT
The Best Things In Life Are Free!
My mind is spinning these days and it's all about taxes and money as far as our issue goes. The Beatles - Money (That's What I Want)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKinWlwGOc
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Comment #16 posted by Had Enough on July 28, 2009 at 11:06:37 PT
Yes museman…you got it right.
The middleman doesn’t produce anything but an imaginary position to collect unearned coin…But then again…I guess the middleman does produce something…over inflated prices for products and services…Enron would be a good example, along with real estate/mortgage brokers, stockbrokers, etc…Lawyers, insurance, doctor middlemen…there’s not much I can add to that…you summed it up accurately.People really need to wake up and see what has happened to them…but...as you know...unfortunately it will take a series of catastrophic events to wake people up from their slumber…some of which we are witnessing now…
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 10:49:36 PT
museman
The more hands in any project the more money it will cost the consumer. I like to go to a garden center that grows their own flowers and shrubs etc. There are no middlemen so you get quality at a lower price. We could have bought a franchise years ago for video but you pay someone for telling you how to do it. We don't need people in suits and ties telling us how to do something we know how to do or we can learn how to do on our own. There was no Internet back then and yet we did it.I would love to see growers sell their own product like in a health food store and then it wouldn't have the overhead and extra taxes and everything else that makes things cost so much money.
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Comment #14 posted by museman on July 28, 2009 at 10:34:48 PT
FoM #12 "middle men"
This one line caught my attention;"...cut out the middle man..."Yes, I totally agree. However, I have to remark on the fact that is exactly that very phenomenon of corruption of values that is almost inextricably entwined in every strata of modern society.The middle men of 'law, and justice,' -known as 'lawyers, 'politicians,' and 'judges' (and all their peasant underlings). The middle men of 'academics' -or 'education' -'teachers,' 'academic authority,' and their resultant exclusive class of conformed thinkers; 'professionals.' (a term for mostly 'middle men')The middle men of health and welfare; 'doctors,' pharmaceutical companies, and 'insurance' companies.And if the insurance scams sucking the essence of value into their do-nothing pockets aren't the glaring revelation of all things wrong with modern law and economics, only prohibition tops it.The list of 'middle men' who sit behind desks, siphoning off resources -for imaginary services (as real as the emperors clothing) is long, and includes just about every wealthy person on the planet. The 'position' of middle man is integral to the 'employment' of the elite classes.The institutional programming found in our schools and religious groupings, provides the necessary replacement of natural systems of communication, social order, and community and family systems, with the invented and ENFORCED standards of compliance and surrender to the ruling classes.The middle men of food production have systematicly replaced the old, perfectly functioning system of the family farm, with corporate, outsourced, mega-slave 'farms' that produce 'food' that is unripe, nuked to the point of non-nutrition, flavorless, poisoned with numerous chemical 'preservatives' and toxic herbicides, and pesticides. And this is in turn supports the incredibly wasteful system categorized as 'supply and demand' (based on statistical 'data' that is wrong much much more than it is right) that has created a veritable juggernaught of polluting, obnoxious, loud, and ugly trucking/transportation systems that ferry these practicly useless 'products' to and fro at the expense of everyone except the middle men.And these middle men are the only ones who have true 'representation' by their own ass-kissing politicians, who base any and all 'judgements' on the economic solvency and power retention of the Status Quo (middlemen establishment).The truth of power, authority, and posession has been successfully hi-jacked by the middle men, even to the point of claiming to be 'God's authority on earth.'Liberty from thieves and thugs with guns and false authority will not come from petitioning the rulers for justice, it will come only from the realization that each and every one of us is the only sovereign authority (other than YHWH) that truly exists. If the dumbed down 'citizens; of the Republic of Plato, the Big Brother of Orwell, the 'beast that was dead, but lives again' -Rome- (Amerikan Empire) continue to allow their life force, power and authority to be ripped off every day for the pleasure of the few, only cataclysmic events will give those of us who are free the chance to rebuild a sane society.The interweave of middle men is extensive, representing a huge portion of our systems that we work and slave with, too large to adequately represent in this post, but evidential enough to anyone who overcomes their denial enough to sincerely look.SEIZE YOUR LIBERTY, OR HAVE IT SEIZED
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Comment #13 posted by dongenero on July 28, 2009 at 08:20:50 PT
uninformed legislators
Obviously at 2.5 acres, they do not understand the economics of this industrial crop. It seems the very least legislators could do is try to educate themselves about the subject they are creating legislation for and do something that actually makes sense.
The very least may be too much to ask from our elected representatives.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 08:14:32 PT
tintala
I don't think people who would grow hemp would make very much on the crop. Farmers never make much on anything they grow. What I believe is if people could grow hemp figure out a way to market the hemp for a particular product. Figure out a way to use the hemp and go for it. Cutting out a middle man could be done if this makes sense.
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Comment #11 posted by tintala on July 28, 2009 at 07:48:53 PT:
Farming only 2.5 acres is Ludicrous
If you are a farmer interested in farming hemp, you can only farm 2.5 acres? this seems pathetic to me, how the heck would a farmer survive if hemp were legal anyway? I have a 300 acre farm, at 400$ an acre that would get me about 120,000 per harvest, but at 2.5 acres, I would get 950$. Not even close to a bountiful farming life. Wheat doestn't cut it anymore, I would need to farm 100 acres to make a living on hemp.
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Comment #10 posted by Sam Adams on July 28, 2009 at 07:42:25 PT
Colorado story on war
wow, this is depressing but must be widely distributed IMO. A real view of what war is and what it does, both here and abroad. A far cry from "liberating" the Iraqis....and I think in this case the war did exactly what it was supposed to do. less stability abroad, more crime and violence at home - look where the guys eventually end up - doing long prison sentences and enriching the criminal justice industry at home. And more violent crime at home means more power & money for prison & cops, more guns to be made by the gun industry, etc. More scary Arab militancy means it will be harder to shrink the army and its budget down in the US.http://www.gazette.com/articles/iframe-59065-eastridge-audio.html
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 06:00:07 PT
Afterburner
Thank you. I really am not sure what a national police force is. I don't think of cops at all. I tune out. We don't have bad cops around here as far as I know. Maybe we don't have bad cops around here because it is so rural.
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Comment #8 posted by The GCW on July 28, 2009 at 05:56:34 PT
In Colorado
Medical pot dispensaries thrive in Colo.July 28, 2009Colorado Springs facility believed to be the state's largest with 1,400 patients.BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESShttp://www.summitdaily.com/article/20090728/NEWS/907279974/1078&ParentProfile=1055BOULDER — Boulder County Caregivers offers 16 glass jars of marijuana with names like Skinny Pineapple and Early Pearl Maui, priced at $375 to $420 an ounce. There are marijuana capsules and snacks made with cannabis butter, such as rice crispy treats.Co-owner Jill Leigh urges customers to try a syrupy tincture she calls “the Advil of medical marijuana.” A drop under the tongue gives less of a high but the same pain relief as smoking, she says.Leigh's sales are legal — and taxed — under Colorado's voter-approved medical marijuana law. Her marijuana dispensary and nearly 60 others serve a rapidly growing number of users with little oversight. Critics of the system say it's prone to abuse and point to a growing number of younger patients. But a recent state effort to impose more controls failed.More than 9,000 people are registered in Colorado to use medical marijuana with a doctor's recommendation — up 2,000 in the past month.The total is expected to rise to 15,000 by year's end, according to the state health department, which blames the rapid increase on patient confidentiality guarantees and federal plans to stop raiding medical marijuana operations, which the U.S. government considers illegal.Since December, the average patient age in Colorado has dropped from 42 to 24, raising more questions about abuses.Last week, the state health board rejected a proposal to limit suppliers to five patients. Dispensary owners said the plan would force many to close. Others, including Leigh, say Colorado should better regulate its dispensaries to deter abuses. But Chief Medical Officer Ned Calonge said he simply doesn't have that authority under the 2000 law.Some towns are stepping in. Today, Breckenridge will consider rules to keep dispensaries away from schools and restrict their hours to prevent thefts. Police Chief Rick Holman said the ideas came from Cannabis Therapeutics, a Colorado Springs dispensary believed to be the state's largest with 1,400 patients.The Denver suburb of Commerce City also is drafting its own rules. In Boulder, police have reached out to dispensaries after thieves stole two 20-gallon barrels of marijuana from one business in June.CONT.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on July 28, 2009 at 05:25:45 PT
Just For Fun
The 40th Anniversary of Woodstock is approaching and I did a google search and found this web site that made me smile. I wasn't at Woodstock but I have always been fascinated with what happened back in 1969. Enjoy!http://www.filminfocus.com/focusfeatures/film/taking_woodstock/
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Comment #6 posted by afterburner on July 27, 2009 at 22:41:40 PT
FoM #3 & Sam Adams #2
Bush Administration Debated Using Military for Domestic Arrests - 2 days ago
http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=10638
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The New York Times reported on Friday that in 2002, the Bush Administration considered the possibility of deploying American troops to arrest a group of suspected al-Qaeda terrorists in Buffalo, N.Y., according to former administration officials.There is very little precedence in American history for the use of combat troops to conduct domestic police actions without the imposition of martial law. Nonetheless, a number of high-ranking administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, opined to President Bush that the office of the president possesses sufficient legal authority to do so.The Times article points out that the Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizures, while the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act forbids the military from serving as a police force. President Bush eventually decided not to use the military for the arrests, despite a legal opinion written by staff lawyers John C. Yoo and Robert J. Delahunty that suggested he had the power to do so.
more...
}In "Black Day in July" Michigan Governor George Romney sent in the National Guard to quell a riot; President Johnson sent federal Army troops with tanks into the streets of Detroit, presumably after declaring martial law.
1967 Detroit riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot"Black Day In July" by Gordon Lightfoot.
On This Day - April 13, 1968 - CBC Archives
http://archives.cbc.ca/on_this_day/04/13/ The USA PATRIOT Act
http://w2.eff.org/patriot/
"PATRIOT gives sweeping search and surveillance to domestic law enforcement and foreign intelligence agencies and eliminates checks and balances that previously gave courts the opportunity to ensure that those powers were not abused. PATRIOT and follow-up legislation now in development threaten the basic rights of millions of Americans." "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson,
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/4949.html
[disputed by some researchers, but fitting the spirit of what we know of President Jefferson].
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
Wendell Phillips - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Phillips
[fighting another injustice: slavery]"Power to the people." -John Lennon & other contemporaries, following the words of President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and those of populists, who gave us initiative, recall and referendum. The Populist and Progressive Era - Citizens in Charge Foundation
http://www.citizensincharge.org/learn/history/the-populist-and-progressive-era
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on July 27, 2009 at 12:03:02 PT
josephlacerenza
Very nice article.
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Comment #4 posted by josephlacerenza on July 27, 2009 at 11:49:51 PT
Hi Ya'll C-News!!!!
I had to share this great story. Adults can truly learn from the truth and honesty of children!!!
5-Year-Old Girl Feeds Nearly 18,000 Hungry San Franciscans; What Can You Do?
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on July 27, 2009 at 10:17:08 PT
Sam
I don't understand it all. As far as a national police force I don't know if it's helpful or not. If we had a disaster in many states at one time and chaos broke out can a state police force contain the people if they go beserk in a city? What if there is a bubonic plague as an example and people start running to other states and carry the disease with them? Heck I really am out of my league on this one.
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on July 27, 2009 at 10:05:28 PT
Toward a National Police Force
really interesting:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/22/756287/-Toward-a-National-Police-Forceexcerpt:
The Founding Fathers never wanted a national police force. In fact, there were adamantly opposed to the idea, having a strong distrust of centralized authoritarian structure.They specifically left out the powers to form any kind of national structure for domestic policing, leaving that entirely up to the states, with one teeny, tiny exception -- this bit of power ceded to the federal government in the Constitution: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;The Commerce Clause, it's often called. And for many years, that worked just fine, and was accomplished without any national force. It wasn't until 1865 that the Department of the Treasury established the Secret Service to combat counterfeiting -- a relatively easy fit for the role of "regulating commerce among the several states." In 1908, the FBI got its start (although the name was different then) with a grand total of 10 agents.
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Comment #1 posted by HempWorld on July 27, 2009 at 09:36:17 PT
"Until the mid-'70s, hemp was produced industriall
y throughout the country"Huh? I don't think this is factually correct, hemp has been effectively outlawed via the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act. Because outright illigalization would require a constitutional amendment. Subsequently the prohibition of marijuana specifically and the mixing of hemp and marijuana together is the work of the Nixon administration who created the DEA etc. However, this scheme is not legal under the US constitution but nobody ever made an issue of it, until now.
Legalize Industrial Hemp!
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