cannabisnews.com: CA Shows Why Medical Marijuana is Dangerous
CA Shows Why Medical Marijuana is Dangerous
Posted by CN Staff on October 10, 2008 at 13:36:05 PT
By Bill Schuette and Daniel Michael
Source: Detroit Free Press
Michigan -- A decade ago, voters in California approved a proposal to legalize marijuana smoking for so-called “medical” purposes. Today, even the proposal’s most vocal supporters admit the California law has resulted in “chaos,” “pot dealers in storefronts” and millions of dollars being dumped “into the criminal black market.”Proposal 1 on the Nov. 4 ballot in Michigan is just like the California law. While its stated intent, to help people in serious pain, is well meaning, Proposal 1’s vague language, careless loopholes and dangerous consequences place Michigan communities and kids at risk.
Michigan voters should reject it.Proposal 1 allows one person to grow and provide marijuana for a number of other people, as long as the marijuana is kept in a locked facility. What happens when that locked facility is your neighbor’s garage or a strip mall storefront, as they have in California? Maybe you think this can’t happen in Michigan, but consider this: In North Hollywood, there are now more pot shops than Starbucks stores, and last week a security guard was gunned down outside a Los Angeles pot shop.Everyday, diligent parents and teachers fight a difficult battle to protect teens from drugs and their influences. Law enforcement officials in California point to their state’s marijuana law as a cause for the dramatic increase in drug use among high school students. That’s a major reason why groups such as the Michigan Sheriffs’ Association and the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police are opposed to Proposal 1.For doctors and hospitals, those on the front lines of medical care, Proposal 1 is “bad medicine.” For one thing, Proposal 1 doesn’t require a prescription. It not only relies on but promotes smoking as a delivery mechanism. And, Proposal 1 could result in costly lawsuits over such things as whether doctors and hospitals must allow patients to smoke marijuana in a doctor’s office or hospital room, despite every other law banning smoking.The Michigan State Medical Society, the Michigan Health and Hospital Association and the Michigan Osteopathic Association all oppose Proposal 1 because smoking marijuana is not the answer to the important scientific questions surrounding the effective care of patients. A legal analysis of Proposal 1 outlines a situation where the worker next to you on the assembly line or the driver of a delivery van could smoke marijuana on the job and your employer could do nothing about it. In fact, if that delivery van driver, or any other driver under the influence of “medical” marijuana for that matter, hits another car and injures someone, Proposal 1 may allow marijuana use as a defense in court. Lastly, Proposal 1 would leave the regulation of a “medical” marijuana program up to Lansing to figure out. With Michigan facing such tough economic times, taxpayers can’t afford a new government bureaucracy to keep track of marijuana users.Proposal 1 is many things, but above all else it is a law of unintended consequences. The dangerous implications of its flaws and loopholes have brought together Michigan’s doctors, hospitals, sheriffs, police chiefs, prosecutors, family groups, and taxpayer advocates to urge voters to say “No” to Proposal 1.California’s “medical” marijuana proposal brought chaos; Michigan’s proposal brings an opportunity to learn from California’s mistake.Judge Bill Schuette is a member of the Michigan Court of Appeals. Dr. Daniel Michael is a Detroit neurosurgeon and speaker of the Michigan State Medical Society’s House of Delegates. Source: Detroit Free Press (MI)Author: Bill Schuette and Daniel Michael Published: October 10, 2008Copyright: 2008 Detroit Free PressWebsite: http://www.freep.com/Contact: letters freepress.comRelated Articles & Web Site:Stop Arresting Patientshttp://www.stoparrestingpatients.org/Weeding Out The Issuehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24213.shtmlVote Yes on Proposal 1 for Medical Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24207.shtml Yes on Prop 1: Allow Relief Marijuana May Offerhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread24201.shtml
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Comment #58 posted by runruff on October 13, 2008 at 09:01:07 PT
Aaaaarge!!!!
Someone said Mark Souder!If I were king he would be in "stupid prison" already!He said no to MMJ and to explain why he presented the "Smoke Bubble". More dumb he could not be!If he is in office next year I will delight in seeing all the cannabis laws changing all around him and the truth will reveal what an idiot he is. Come on Indiana, you can do better than this.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on October 13, 2008 at 06:35:46 PT
John Tyler
Thank you. It doesn't make sense to me. Maybe they don't read or listen to the lyrics.
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Comment #56 posted by John Tyler on October 12, 2008 at 22:41:44 PT
Re#41
“I don't know why Republicans want to use our music when they don't believe what the songs are saying.” That is right on the money. A while back some Republican candidate, maybe Reagan, was using Bruce Springteen’s song Born in the USA as their campaign song. I don’t believe anyone of them ever listen to the song because it is a caustic commentary on the way the Vietnam veterans were treated and not what they thought it was. It just showed how out of touch they were/are and how they will exploit anything.
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Comment #55 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 20:53:49 PT
He looks like a nice guy
And he's NOT Mark Souder.How nice it would be to have Congress vote on a medical marijuana bill without any ridiculous inane anti-scientific commentary by Mr. Souder.
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 17:07:27 PT
Very interesting.
MIKE MONTAGANO http://www.montaganoforcongress.com/index.asp
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Comment #53 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 16:49:33 PT
This election could actually rid us of Mark Souder
The thought makes me dizzy. I contributed to his opponent. Now I have to go lie down.
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Comment #52 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 16:40:05 PT
fight4freedom, that's wonderful, plus good news
You guys are doing a great job.Here's more good news, from the LA Times article on Obama's rising approval ratings for being so NOT John McCain during this economic crisis:"Rep. Mark Souder, an Indiana Republican, said he was looking at an "Obama tide" in his district and wondering about his own reelection: "Can I withstand a firestorm?""Here's the guy he's running against: Mark Montaganohttp://www.dccc.org/races/in_03
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 16:32:53 PT
Neil Young
America's Grace I like that. We had a friend visit from Pa the other day who is big in the AMA mototcycle organization. He used a term when he was visiting about social grace. I thought coming from a biker that sounded really cool.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 16:28:23 PT
fight_4_freedom
I think you will win. People like you will help make it happen. Keep up the good work!
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Comment #49 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 16:24:35 PT
Yes Neil Young
America's grace, that what he's come to own.He's the artist who has most come to represent grace. It's just the truth.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 16:18:49 PT
Oh Dear
EJ she doesn't seem like the type of person that is supporting Obama. She frowns too much or something.Thank goodness Neil Young sings for us.Neil Young-This Notes For Youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr2zyHNLb8M
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Comment #47 posted by fight_4_freedom on October 12, 2008 at 15:58:14 PT
I just brought home over 100 *Proposal 1* signs
They are very well put together. And they are a pretty nice size as well. They look a lot bigger than most Obama signs I see. And they surely will be visible from the road.I went out to lunch with a member of MINORML and the MCCC statewide coordinator this afternoon. We had some very good discussions about this ballot initiative and everything surrounding it. They hire some very friendly, down to earth, and highly intelligent people to do these ballot initiatives down at MPP. It feels very good to know that we have people like this helping to end this war on cannabis. I feel completely reassured that we will not only win this battle here in Michigan in November, but also win this war on cannabis as a whole.
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Comment #46 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 15:49:52 PT
If only we could control our cultural brand
Thanks dankhank!We need some brand control. The people stepping on our necks shouldn't be able to profit from our cultural labors.
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Comment #45 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 15:47:37 PT
She's for Obama 100%
This kind of exploitation happens on both sides. Remember the Clintons and Fleetwood Mac? And then Bill Clinton, styling himself as a jazz man, while waging the biggest crackdown on reefer in American history.
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Comment #44 posted by dankhank on October 12, 2008 at 15:44:35 PT
EJ ..
You're a perfect example why I like this forum ...round here were all looking at stuff with a different eye thanks for noticing and sharing ...good eye
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 15:08:17 PT
Thanks EJ
I have seen her on a cable news channel a couple times but I have never listened closely to her. She seems like a grumbly person or something. Is she for Obama or McCain?
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Comment #42 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 14:40:33 PT
Why FoM
McCain wants to portray himself as some kind of rebel against the Establishment and that's why he needs rock and roll, the music of rebellion in America.The problem is, you can't play the music of the rebel while throwing the rebels themselves in prison.So he outed himself as a poser and was duly punished by the real rebels who yanked their music away.Joan Walsh is like McCain in that respect. She tries to portray Salon as the rebel force, the rebel alliance against the oppressive mainstream media.She has her Phish downloads and her Harold and Kumar reviews and her little wink nudge item on Sarah Palin inhalin', to polish her image as a rebel.But ain't no way you're going to find out where Obama or McCain stand on medical marijuana by reading Salon.Nope -- the rebellion ends where we get any rights to access to democracy.That's going way too far for her.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 11:42:17 PT
Our Music
Music is important. It inspires, entertains, rebukes and helps free us in a way. I don't know why Republicans want to use our music when they don't believe what the songs are saying.
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Comment #40 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 11:30:58 PT
That's how colonialism works
The colonizing nation profits from the resources of the colonized nation while denying basic rights and liberties to the colonized people.We are a cultural colony of America. They profit from our contributions to American culture while denying us the same rights and liberties they give to themselves.
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Comment #39 posted by goneposthole on October 12, 2008 at 11:23:39 PT
I like that idea
Legal medical marijuana is a good idea. In Michigan as well as California. It has to be good for any community; anywhere, anytime. The prohibitionist propaganda doesn't work quite like they want to think it does.Keep on smokin' cannabis. It's better for you than Vioxx or Ambien. It works much better than those two legal, very dangerous drugs.
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Comment #38 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 11:13:21 PT
Joan Walsh and John McCain guilty of same scam
A lot of rock bands so far have had to send cease and desist letters to the McCain campaign because the campaign was using their songs without permission. The Foo Fighters are the latest example. The McCain team wants to exploit the cultural wealth of rock and roll, while at the same time championing marijuana laws that only hurt the community that created that wealth and are opposed by that community as well.McCain showed up at that big biker rally, trying to exploit the biker outlaw brand while at the same time championing marijuana laws that hurt just about everyone at the rally other than McCain and his team.Joan Walsh is just like John McCain in that respect.Salon will review Harold and Kumar, because they can grab some easy money for themselves by selling our cultural wealth as part of their own.But at the same time, there is no legitimate news story on marijuana that they have failed to ignore in their coverage of the political world.Just like McCain, Salon wants to profit from our contributions to American culture, while treating us like we're not real Americans and we don't deserve any access to government or politics or journalism like the real Americans do.
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Comment #37 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 10:30:03 PT
This is how Joan Walsh exploits our community
They review Harold and Kumar, they review Weeds, they even offer downloads of Phish.And they even covered it when Sarah Palin admitted she inhaled -- so they could use the opportunity to snicker at her.But on the same day they covered Sarah Palin inhalin', they passed over mentioning that study that concluded that MS patients seem to be halting the progress of their MS when they use pot.They want us to read Salon. They want our money.They just don't want us to participate in democracy, which is why there is not one single article in Salon that explains any candidates' position on marijuana in any way.It's like we're their little brown colony and they're our white colonial masters.And that's the same way I feel about Genji Kohan and Weeds.The marijuana community is their little brown colony, from which they can extract wealth but whose political rights they will never champion.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 10:05:02 PT
Dankhank
Thanks. I've been watching him.
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Comment #35 posted by Dankhank on October 12, 2008 at 10:03:08 PT
Soros
on CNN now
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 09:33:59 PT
John Tyler
I like Jim Webb. He is seriously against the drug war. He's gruff and was a Republican so he can help bridge the great divide between Republicans and Democrats I think.He's Scotch - Irish to boot. I'm half Scotch - Irish. I saw a program about Hillbillies that he did and their history. Moonshine to pot was covered in that special.
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Comment #33 posted by John Tyler on October 12, 2008 at 09:15:34 PT
coming up
Check it out if you are in the neighborhoodSenator Jim Webb (D–VA) is hosting Drugs in America Trafficking, Policy and Sentencing Seminar at George Mason University in Arlington VA on 10/15/2008, 8 am to noon.http://webb.senate.gov/pdf/embed17.pdfI think Jim is a good guy and is trying to bring an end to the drug war.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 09:14:36 PT
Hope
I think it was Forbes. I think Gardner is from Canada.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 09:12:39 PT
Salon
I haven't looked at Salon for a long time. Back when Salon first started they did drug reform articles. I like mainstream news. If I read enough different papers on issues that are concerns of mine I can sort it out a lot better.
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 09:12:33 PT
Odd.
They've made it easy to boycott them, apparently. I'm sure that several years ago I used to check in there, to the magazine site and their articles, every once in a while. Dan Gardner articles? I'm not sure. But I do remember perhaps even having it bookmarked some time ago. I haven't purposely gone there in a very, very long time, though, when I think about it.
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Comment #29 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 09:11:35 PT
I never read DrugWarRant
And it's never mentioned in Salon proper.Why don't the people on that blog complain to Joan about being excluded from the legitimate news?I think this is her trying to have it both ways. She's hating on us and profiting from us at the same time.Go back and read their coverage of the primaries. There is not one single article on the candidates where their views on marijuana or the Drug War were solicited or reported on.It is absolutely impossible to tell by reading Salon where Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul stood on medical marijuana, for example.That's how much she hates us!!That is pure hate we are looking at, when they write article after article on the candidates and not even ONCE did they slip up and accidentally report where the candidates stand on medical marijuana.That is more raging hatred than we have seen from the mainstream media in a long time.Even the worst right wing rags at least acknowledge that this is a political issue on which people can vote.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 09:06:27 PT
We shouldn't.
"Why should we patronize a so-called "progressive" publication that treats us even worse than the worst mainstream media publication in the country?"
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 09:03:04 PT
What about DrugWarRant?
Isn't that a blog hosted by Salon? Maybe it's not the same Salon as the magazine.
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Comment #26 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 08:52:10 PT
Gee I don't know about their blogs
I never read their blogs. I didn't know they had any.All I know is that according to Joan Walsh, marijuana-related news has to be censored out of the magaine. It's not allowed to be part of the news along with the legitimate news stories on all the legitimate people who belong to the world and have value as citizens.Joan Walsh's new coverage spells out pretty loudly that we have zero value as citizens.Absolutely zero. Our news is not news to her. We can just die in ignorance.She cannot keep profiting from this community and treat us like we're so poisonous and immoral and disgusting that not even a Supreme Court decision on marijuana is worthy of coverage.That's what she's saying about us -- we are poisonous, horrible, immoral people who degrade her publication with our mere presence.She is saying that we do not even deserve to be treated like citizens. We are absolute scum according to her. She hates us and looks down on us more than any editor of any mainstream media publication in this country.We can see here right in CNews that even publications that take sides against us still cover our news and give us a chance to speak for ourselves.Why should we patronize a so-called "progressive" publication that treats us even worse than the worst mainstream media publication in the country?
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Comment #25 posted by John Tyler on October 12, 2008 at 08:49:53 PT
this article
This article is by two extremely well educated people. One is Judge and the other is a doctor, but yet they cannot come up one good reason why the anti-cannabis laws in their state should not be changed. Just because “it will be different” and “we can’t handle it” are not good enough reasons any more to arrest and imprison thousands of people for cannabis use. When you boil their argument down to its essentials, it is attitude, prejudice, and hysteria, not logic, or science or justice. The public knows better, and will speak on November 4th. Hopefully, these people will listen.
PS I don't use Salon.
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 08:43:01 PT
E_Johnson
Does that mean boycotting blogs hosted by salon?
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Comment #23 posted by E_Johnson on October 12, 2008 at 08:29:18 PT
I want to punish Salon
What I want to know is --- why do so many Libertarians waste their time on a publication that leaves the RAVE Act off of Joe Biden's resume and scrubs their coverage of national politics clean from any mention of any legitimate marijuana-related news story even when the Supreme Court make a major decision?Right now, the Wall Street Journal is more progressive than Salon when it comes to medical marijuana.We have to start organizing boycotts. We have SOME consumer power.Especially with a publication like Salon. We could really crush them if we put our minds to it.
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Comment #22 posted by John Tyler on October 12, 2008 at 08:15:22 PT
RE#15
That is a great idea. They should also honor him by naming prisons and garbage dumps (oops, landfills) after him too.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 08:04:53 PT
Hope
That most definitely was the highlight of the day for me. I'm glad it made you smile.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 08:01:20 PT
That's so wonderful, FoM.
"I haven't been around children for years and we were walking along and all of a sudden I felt this soft and warm little hand slip in mine."As a dedicated "Child Whisperer"... I can tell you (which I'm sure you already know) that means a lot. It speaks volumes. And what a sweet blessing... in my book. It's an image that will bless my day today.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 07:45:32 PT
Hope
Another things that happened reminded me of the need for goodness and kindness. I haven't been around children for years and we were walking along and all of a sudden I felt this soft and warm little hand slip in mine. The love of a child is so pure. What the world needs now is love sweet love.
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 07:38:45 PT
So good to hear you guys had a good day.
"They had this picture of a horse in the convention center that was made up of individual paintings from around the world that when assembled looked like a picture of one big horse." Sort of like the Bob Marley poster I've seen.I went to see Beverly Hills Chihuahua yesterday. It had a group of powerful activist chihuahuas in it. :0) or maybe I should say :0(Is someone out there making fun of me?
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on October 12, 2008 at 06:49:19 PT
Hope
We had a wonderful day yesterday at The All American Quarter Horse Congress. We spent a lot of time going in and out of all the fancy equipment that people buy to travel with horses. The average cost of a truck and trailer was somewhere between $100,000 and $ 150,000. They had this picture of a horse in the convention center that was made up of individual paintings from around the world that when assembled looked like a picture of one big horse. It was 23 feet tall.
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on October 12, 2008 at 06:35:28 PT
Mykeyb420
That is funny. Oh, the peril of having public works named after you!
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Comment #15 posted by mykeyb420 on October 11, 2008 at 20:00:48 PT
funny one from SF
I'm looking at a measure on the ballot here in San Fran to name the new SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT after George W Bush.
Sure,,I'll vote yes on that !!Everytime I take a S# !,, GW Bush gets to have it !!!LOL
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Comment #14 posted by NikoKun on October 11, 2008 at 12:58:05 PT
Look at this nonsense followup article
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008810110319-_- they just keep on pushing out the bullshit.
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Comment #13 posted by kaptinemo on October 11, 2008 at 08:59:20 PT:
Brilliant, Hope, brilliant!
Yes, by the Feds making the DrugWar into what amounts to an 'unfunded mandate', and then forcing the States to particiapte in it won't last too much longer in this drastically curtailed economy the nation faces. The States have every right, now in light of the inevitable shrinkage of funding being sent back to the States, to pull the same kind of jiu-jitsu of opting out of the DrugWar that New York State did during Prohibition and making it the Fed's responsibility en toto would probably achieve the same result.A fellow co-worker who'd also traveled a lot in his life told me an interesting story recently. We'd been talking about the economy, about currency, and how governments destroy both through printing up too much paper currency when backed by nothing. He'd resided in what was then West Berlin in the early 1970's, and had rented a flat that was wallpapered with Reichsmarks from the period of the Weimar Republic. It was cheaper than actually painting the walls. That's the kind of thing we may see before too long here in the States, with the increasing inflation of the money supply causing the value of everything but that 'money' to rise.That means, very simply, that the illusion of being able to pay for things like the DrugWar, an illusion that the national budget allocating funding for it still reflects, is destined for a major demolition. Time for the drunken sailor to stop spending like one and sober up, as the fiscal party's over...as our Chinese and Japanese creditors will make abundantly clear, very soon.
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Comment #12 posted by mykeyb420 on October 11, 2008 at 08:54:43 PT
more BS
Proposal 1’s vague language, careless loopholes and dangerous consequences place Michigan communities and kids at risk. How about all the PILLS in moms medicine cabinate that a kid might say" Humm, mabey I'll try just one pill ",,, to "Mom wont miss a couple of pills",,, to " Gee, I wonder how many pill I can take",, to "Oh my god, my kids O.D. on all my pills!!",,that is what you have to worry about.here in californa,,we have had no O.Ds from medi-pot since we passed our law (215) 12 years ago. so tell me one more time what the threat to kids is??
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on October 11, 2008 at 08:31:15 PT
Very good letter, I think.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n932/a01.html?397Repeal Drug Law And Don't Replace Them
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Comment #10 posted by kaptinemo on October 11, 2008 at 07:26:53 PT:
I was wondering when this would happen
They really should stop taping "Kick Me!" signs to their posteriors:"With Michigan facing such tough economic times, taxpayers can’t afford a new government bureaucracy to keep track of marijuana users.And just what makes them think that they can afford the system they already have, the one that actively persecutes those said users?It was predicted here, 9 years ago, in fact, that the economic system was a house of cards primed to fall...and the only thing that kept it from falling in 2001 was another war. Now we have two wars, and a Treasury completely bankrupt, and more fiat currency being printed up in a vain attempt to hide the truth of that bankruptcy. Which means that sooner or later, some very hard choices will have to be made by both the US government and the average citizen.Choices such as whether we can continue to afford a DrugWar that has been nothing but a financial net loss for the whole country for its' entire history. Oh, sure, it's benefited some individuals and groups, not to mention an entire political party (mental image of elephants) but only them, not the commonweal. And they want to make noises like this? Truly, are they that clueless?
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Comment #9 posted by afterburner on October 11, 2008 at 01:37:41 PT
Here is the actual text of Proposal 1:
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Proposal 1 (statewide)A LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVE TO PERMIT THE USE AND CULTIVATION OF MARIJUANA FOR SPECIFIED MEDICAL CONDITIONS The proposed law would: Permit physician approved use of marijuana by registered patients with debilitating medical conditions including cancer, glaucoma, HIV, AIDS, hepatitis C, MS and other conditions as may be approved by the Department of Community Health. Permit registered individuals to grow limited amounts of marijuana for qualifying patients in an enclosed, locked facility. Require Department of Community Health to establish an identification card system for patients qualified to use marijuana and individuals qualified to grow marijuana. Permit registered and unregistered patients and primary caregivers to assert medical reasons for using marijuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marijuana.
} ***It does Not mention, let alone promote, smoking.An "assembly line worker" is Not given permission by Proposal 1 to be "under the influence" on the job. Employers hands are Not tied.A "delivery driver" is Not given permission by Proposal 1 to drive "under the influence" violating Michigan's existing impaired driving law. The existing impaired driving law is "zero tolerance" per se. (Michigan's Drugged Driving (duid) law includes inactive metabolites due to interference by the Michigan Supreme Court overruling a provision to exclude inactive metabolites.) (Inactive metabolites do not indicate impairment, only past use. Laws ruling that drivers with inactive metabolites are impaired are inherently unscientific.)Michigan Drugged Driving (duid)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4544&wtm_view=duid
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Michigan has a zero tolerance per se drugged driving law for cannabis and other controlled substances. Although Cannabis metabolites are excluded under the statutory language of the drugged driving law, MCL 257.625(8), Michigan’s Supreme Court has ruled that cannabis metabolites are included as well. (Michigan v. Derror).
}NORML's report on Drugged Driving(DUID)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6492Proposal 1 is a medical law to aid patients. Do not believe the lies and fear-mongering. Vote "yes" on Proposal 1.
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Comment #7 posted by Vincent on October 10, 2008 at 22:14:44 PT:
They Never Stop
This is probably the worst play acting that I've ever seen. Like one of those commercials on TV that show a "dramatization" of a doctor and a drug expert, giving scientific "facts" as a public service. Childish.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on October 10, 2008 at 21:47:00 PT
Hmmmm. I never heard that before.
"Law enforcement officials in California point to their state’s marijuana law as a cause for the dramatic increase in drug use among high school students."Must be an inside secret behind the thin blue line.Or maybe they made it up because they can use "... any words" or was it "... whatever words", they want to in fighting this proposal, according to what some of the rest of the prohibitionists around there have been saying.Well one of the top prohibitionist offices, the ONDCP, does it. Lie, I mean. It's their duty. They said so. They set the example. So it's alright for all prohibitionists to lie to serve their purpose. Right? Lies are really good and completely right, healthy, wise, and beneficial, and all, to engage in, in this case. Right.If a purpose has to be supported with lies... maybe it's not such a good purpose.
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Comment #5 posted by Hope on October 10, 2008 at 21:31:58 PT
Observer ,"The health of the "community"
"The health of the "community" looks doubtful to me when the "head" of the community, authorities and politicians and such, has some kind of creepy auto-immune disorder and has turned on and is chewing up vast parts of itself, the very "body" of the community, with jail, persecution, greed, mercilessness, and hate.
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Comment #4 posted by CanadianGanjaman on October 10, 2008 at 21:11:29 PT
Yeah... uh
First off, the legalization of medical marijuana did not bring chaos to california, the states' profoundly hypocritical govenor did.Second, Im currently residing in Colorado where they have passed similar laws and... gotta tell ya guys... nothing has changed...Third, "Maybe you think this can’t happen in Michigan, but consider this: In North Hollywood, there are now more pot shops than Starbucks stores, and last week a security guard was gunned down outside a Los Angeles pot shop." Right.. if said officer is shot down outside of a Starbucks, does that make Starbucks the epicenter of chaos? This sentence is naught but manipulation...Fourth, "Lastly, Proposal 1 would leave the regulation of a “medical” marijuana program up to Lansing to figure out. With Michigan facing such tough economic times, taxpayers can’t afford a new government bureaucracy to keep track of marijuana users." But the taxpayers are willing to spend their money instead on an even more costly drug enforcement, pointless incarcerations, and destroying lives of otherwsie law abiding citizens with criminal records?Last, "The Michigan State Medical Society, the Michigan Health and Hospital Association and the Michigan Osteopathic Association all oppose Proposal 1 because smoking marijuana is not the answer to the important scientific questions surrounding the effective care of patients."
Yeah... it is.Hempworld.. you rock. Continue to educate the public about whats really goin down in herb town and maybe one day the world will change for the better eh?
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Comment #3 posted by NikoKun on October 10, 2008 at 21:07:48 PT
oh wow...
As we make more progress in reforming bad laws... they'll push back harder...This article is HORRIBLE.. full of lies and misinformation..I usually register on sites with these articles... just so I can post a comments with counter information. -_-
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Comment #2 posted by observer on October 10, 2008 at 13:52:11 PT
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Michigan -- A decade ago, voters in California approved a proposal to legalize marijuana smoking for so-called medical purposes .
(Sentence 1) re: "legalize" - Onward prohibitionist drug warriors, fighting the epidemic and scourge in the battles of the war against drugs! (Drugs declared evil by politicians, that is.) (Total Prohibition or Access (propaganda theme 7) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme7.htm#7 )
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Today, even the proposal s most vocal supporters admit the California law has resulted in chaos, pot dealers in storefronts and millions of dollars being dumped into the criminal black market .
(Sentence 2) re: "dealers" - Drug war propaganda insinuates drugs are evil, because they are linked with hated groups. (Hated Groups (propaganda theme 1) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme1.htm#1 ) re: "criminal" - It is prohibition, claim prohibitionists, that saves people from drug crazed, whacked out, high flying drug users. (Madness,Crime,Violence,Illness (propaganda theme 2) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme2.htm#2 )
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While its stated intent, to help people in serious pain, is well meaning, Proposal 1 s vague language, careless loopholes and dangerous consequences place Michigan communities and kids at risk .
(Sentence 4) re: "communities" - The health of the "community" (read: government) is assured, prohibitionists explain, because drug users are punished. Jailing drug users is thus painted as upholding society. (Survival of Society (propaganda theme 3) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme3.htm#3 ) re: "kids" - Drug war propaganda plays on parental fears for the well being of their kids. If drug users are not jailed, says the prohibitionist, then your children will surely suffer. (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 )
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Everyday, diligent parents and teachers fight a difficult battle to protect teens from drugs and their influences .
(Sentence 9) re: "teens" - "Since the Harrison Act of 1914, the user and the seller of illicit drugs have both been characterized as evil, criminal, insane, and always in search of new victims, the victims are characterized as young children." [W.White,1979] (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 ) re: "battle" - Unless the drug "war" is fought, claims the rhetoric of prohibition, an evil "epidemic" of drugs would be unleashed upon an unwitting public. (Demonize, War (propaganda theme 6) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme6.htm#6 )
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Law enforcement officials in California point to their state s marijuana law as a cause for the dramatic increase in drug use among high school students .
(Sentence 10) re: "drug use" - Prohibitionists try to hammer in the idea that 'all use is abuse.' The rhetoric of prohibition needs to deny that many people can use currently illegal drugs without abusing them. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse ) re: "high school students" - Prohibitionists play on parental fears by exaggerating the dangers to children of drugs. Adults must be jailed (reason prohibitionists), because kids might be corrupted with drugs. (Children Corrupted (propaganda theme 5) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme5.htm#5 )
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The Michigan State Medical Society, the Michigan Health and Hospital Association and the Michigan Osteopathic Association all oppose Proposal 1 because smoking marijuana is not the answer to the important scientific questions surrounding the effective care of patients .
(Sentence 16) re: "Society" - Prohibitionists assert that the survival of the community, society, the nation, the world, etc. are at stake. Only continued and increased punishments for drug users can be contemplated, because, say prohibitionists, society will otherwise fall apart. (Survival of Society (propaganda theme 3) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme3.htm#3 )
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In fact, if that delivery van driver, or any other driver under the influence of medical marijuana for that matter, hits another car and injures someone, Proposal 1 may allow marijuana use as a defense in court .
(Sentence 18) re: "marijuana use" - Prohibitionist propagandists repeatedly assert that "use is abuse." Details about "using" as opposed to "abusing" drugs are ignored. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse )
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With Michigan facing such tough economic times, taxpayers can t afford a new government bureaucracy to keep track of marijuana users .
(Sentence 20) re: "marijuana users" - The rhetoric of prohibition will assume that "use" and "abuse" are identical. (Use is Abuse (propaganda theme 4) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme4.htm#alluseisabuse )
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Daniel Michael is a Detroit neurosurgeon and speaker of the Michigan State Medical Society s House of Delegates .
(Sentence 26) re: "Society" - The survival of society is assured, -- says the propaganda of prohibition -- as long as drug users are punished (jailed). (Survival of Society (propaganda theme 3) http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme3.htm#3 )
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Comment #1 posted by HempWorld on October 10, 2008 at 13:42:37 PT
"California’s “medical” marijuana proposal brought
chaos" This is a bold faced lie!Dear Mr. Bill Schuette and Daniel Michael,If you write an article with lies, your (general and professional) credibility goes down the toilet!Any questions?
On a mission from God! MarijuanaStore.com
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