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  Medical Marijuana Business Opens in Livingston

Posted by CN Staff on November 02, 2007 at 08:30:15 PT
By Scott McMillion, Chronicle Staff Writer 
Source: Bozeman Daily Chronicle 

Livingston, MT -- Three years ago, Montana voters decided by a 62 percent margin that marijuana should be available for medical purposes. No issue or candidate had received that sort of statewide endorsement for 25 years.Since then, a network of suppliers and users has been created around the state, working under new laws that limit the amount of marijuana that can be grown and sold and who can do it.
Mostly, it's been done quietly, under the radar, in part because providing marijuana remains a federal crime.Now, two Livingston residents have opened a medical marijuana service and are doing so openly. Dave Minnick and Rick Rusio operate what they call Caregivers Montana. They even have a Web site called: http://www.caregiversmontana.com/“I could have stayed hidden and done this, but it wouldn't make it any more right,” Minnick said Thursday. “Many people who need this are scared.”Montana law allows doctors to recommend marijuana for a specific set of ailments, all of them serious. They include cancer, glaucoma, HIV, AIDS or other conditions that cause severe and chronic pain, wasting, severe nausea, seizures and severe or persistent muscle spasms, including those caused by multiple sclerosis or Crohn's disease. The law doesn't allow use of marijuana for problems like stress, depression or attention deficit disorder.The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services has issued what users call “green cards” to 468 people whose doctors have decided that cannabis can help them. It also has issued “caregiver” cards to 167 people who can grow up to six plants for each patient.However, most of those people provide marijuana for only one person, usually a spouse, relative or close friend, according to Roy Kemp, who runs the medical marijuana registry program for the state health department.Minnick and Rusio are among the 23 “caregivers,” who legally grow and sell medical marijuana to multiple patients. Minnick said he started his medical marijuana business four months ago for two reasons: to help sick people and to make some money.Right now, he's got more demand than he can supply, and he's looking for a larger space so he can take on more patients.“Our issue is providing access in a safe, comfortable manner,” he said. “It's about providing a necessary service at a reasonable price.”The partners wouldn't reveal the price of their product, but said they sell it for much less than the street price of $300 an ounce or more.To qualify, customers must get a written recommendation from their physician and apply to the state health department for their green card. A copy of the card is also sent to the patient's "caregiver," who undergoes a new background check every time he or she signs up a new customer. Anybody with a felony drug conviction is disqualified.Doctors aren't allowed to refer providers, so finding one is up to the patient.Kemp said 135 medical doctors and osteopaths work with the program, but he isn't allowed to give their names to anybody. Nor can he provide names or discuss any specific patients or caregivers.But they find each other, through word of mouth and the Internet.Kemp said he's aware of only two people who wound up in legal trouble for exceeding their allowable limits of marijuana, but added that it's not his job to keep track. Only two other patients have lost their green cards, one for providing false information and one for duping his doctor, he said.Minnick said he urges everybody involved with medical marijuana to follow the laws.“This is a privilege given us by the people of Montana,” he said. “It's important that people obey the law and not abuse the system.”The partners have just a handful of patients now, but say they're looking to expand. They'd like someday to have a hospice-type respite center for the chronically ill, they said.They know that marijuana can't cure severe illness, but say it can make it easier to tolerate.“It makes me get up and go and function every day,” said Rusio. He is HIV positive and marijuana eases the nausea caused by his medication and soothes the arthritis pain in his back.Minnick has a green card allowing him to use marijuana to treat pain from an old back injury. His wife uses it to treat an eye disease related to diabetes.“As long as he's operating in compliance with the law, he's legal, and I guess we'll act accordingly,” Livingston Police Chief Darren Raney said of Minnick's marijuana business.The federal government could be another issue. Officials have cracked down on medical marijuana operations in California and on a patient in Missoula who obtained marijuana through the mail, but so far haven't busted any Montana caregivers.But Minnick said he feels confident he'll be all right as long as he complies with state law.“I feel it's everyone's right,” he said. “I honestly believe it works. I'm dealing with the sick and needy.”Source: Bozeman Daily Chronicle (MT)Author: Scott McMillion, Chronicle Staff WriterPublished: November 2, 2007Copyright: 2007 The Bozeman Daily ChronicleContact: citydesk dailychronicle.comWebsite: http://bozemandailychronicle.com/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml

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Comment #203 posted by charmed quark on November 07, 2007 at 16:51:47 PT
Hope -neck stretch
I like your idea. You probably CAN find it on the internet :-)But I bought a traction device at my local medical supply store. It cost about $30. One end is a bag you fill with water. It hangs by a pulley from a door.The other end has a harness you wrap around your neck. It works pretty good. 
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Comment #202 posted by afterburner on November 06, 2007 at 22:47:10 PT
Sicko II
With priorities of the American healthcare system as described in the movie, it is no wonder that the Administration and the FDA refuse to consider the medical qualities of cannabis! Just another part of the medical establishment's money-grubbing plan. Physicians, remember your oaths: "Do no harm!"
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Comment #201 posted by afterburner on November 06, 2007 at 22:39:20 PT
Sicko Expands my Skepticism of American Healthcare
I just finished watching Michael Moore's Sicko. I find it hard to believe that some of the negative critics actually watched the same movie I saw, if they watched it at all. Our for-profit medical system with its (hmo) health manglement organizations, risk averse insurance companies, pharmaceutical pirates and bought-and-paid-for federal officials is the antithesis of true healing. When compared to other countries with national health care, it looks positively medieval, despite it's abundant technology.
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Comment #200 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:42:40 PT
Another way of saying it...
How do you feel?Do you feel well?If you are sick, you don't feel well. If something makes you feel better, you can get better. This is part of how cannabis helps people too.
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Comment #199 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:40:43 PT
Disease
Disease is only partly physical, you can have a disease of your spirit. If the spirit can be cured, the body can be cured.
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Comment #198 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:35:18 PT
Summary
We need to let our bodies adapt to whatever they are exposed to, it is not enough to try to prevent exposure, nor to treat the incidental symptoms, if the organism is thereby defeated.A homeodynamic outlook means we adapt to new environments.When you are exposed to any disease-causing thing, your body cannot always reject it, and you cannot always eliminate it without help. Ultimately, the disease is fatal, if it is not cured.
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Comment #197 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:30:27 PT
Homeodynamics
I found this here:http://knowledgetoday.org/wiki/index.php/HomeodynamicsThe easiest way to understand homeodynamics is in relation to homeostasis in which the conversion from stasis to dynamics is critical. In the homeodynamic point of view, intersystem interactions, chaos, and change are common denominators for all things organic and inorganic and balanced stasis is a statistically perceived mean in a time-constrained perception. Homeostasis and reductionism are incapable of doing justice to the complexity of life processes, especially when consciousness is included. Homeodynamics has a little-known history. Martha Rogers (1970, Principles of Homeodynamics) in nursing, Eugene Yates (2002, From Homeostasis to Homeodynamics)in medicine and Daniel W. Miller (2003, The Web and the Cloth) in psychology conceived it independently in the course of their professional careers. Miller has given it the broadest application by including consciousness, spiritual and physiological processes. In his view, consciousness has a vital role in a complex homeodynamic system. Its function is to organize the body-mind-spirit system (the MBSS) through mutualy symbiotic levels of interaction. Homeodynamics and consciousness self-organize (organize the Self)in a world that is challenged by onslaughts of real-time chaos as well as systemic chaos, while trying to maintain and optimize the survival of their organism. In the real world of homeodynamics, equilibrium is passed-through on the way to further changes, therefore constituting a virtual equalibrium. Concerned with overall outcomes in the gestalt of mental and physical states, Miller conceives homeodynamic processes (including consciousness) very broadly as influencing natural selection in evolution, and, when applied through the RHE (the Range of Homeodynamic Efficiency), it includes a gauge of physiological and mental health, and their decline into debilitating dehomeosis. In sum, the homeodynamic process is the self-organizing agency of interactions responsible for carrying out the self-regulatory, non-linear, and emergent operations of living systems -- respecting and supporting survival phylogeneticallly as well as ontologically. Including consciousness, it empowers the MBSS to maintain healthy functioning and competent survival behaviors by optimizing changes in a non-homeostatic universe. 
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Comment #196 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:26:12 PT
Hope
Don't use the peppermint at the same time you use a homeopathic medicine. Mint is apparently contra-indicated.
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Comment #195 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:21:59 PT
Hope
head; pain, headache; back of head (occiput);head; pain, headache; burning; body cold;Arnica seems right.Please try Arnica 30C, and if you would like to put it in distilled water per the directions I gave charmed quark, that would be better.
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Comment #194 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 20:09:13 PT
Lavender and Peppermint
Two really beneficial herbs and essential oils. I keep water on the woodstove to add moisture and I put lavender oil in it and when the water boils it fills the house with the aroma. 
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Comment #193 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 20:03:31 PT
Hope
If the homeopathic remedy works you wouldn't also need to take another painkiller, and you wouldn't switch back and forth, because you'd be working against yourself. The idea here is to cure the pain. Cannabis isn't contra-indicated, however, in my opinion, but coffee is, and so would be tylenol or advil unless that is all you can resort to because nothing else works.I'm going to have to do a little more reading and see if I can fit your symptoms to another remedy or if Arnica still seems like a good fit.
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Comment #192 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 19:57:10 PT
charmed quark 
I love your herbal garden selection. When I was growing my own herbs I grew many of the same ones you picked to grow. We are from the east coast and grew up in and around the Pennsylvania Dutch Country. I love that part of PA. They have the best and most fertile farmland I have ever seen. We lived near Reading. I miss Philly Cheese Steaks and Hoagies too. I also miss Tasty Kakes.
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Comment #191 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 19:17:17 PT
Whig
Thanks so much for that information. I'm going to try to explore that site. It's painful almost, though...just reading about all the different headache symptoms.Thank you. I'm always thankful for good advice.
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Comment #190 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 19:15:08 PT
Charmed Quark comment 185
That garden you have sounds great. Homegrown tomatoes are so good. And homegrown herbs are delightful. Thanksgiving's getting near and I sure wish I'd gotten some herbs grown this year, for sure. Homegrown sage and basil just make my cornbread dressing wonderful. My son makes the most delicious rosemary bread from fresh rosemary, too.About stretching I used to dream of something I liked to think of as a Chinese Head Cuff. Remember Chinese Handcuffs that you put on your fingers? I imagined how wonderful having one big enough to fit over my head. and attach to a ceiling beam. and pull down against and stretch my neck vertebrae apart more, might feel. Never did manage to find anything to make one, though, or see anything like it.That was before I had the internet. There might be something like that now. Lol...A Chinese Headcuff. Oh well...desperate situations can make you come up with all sorts of ideas. At that time, of the lower back trouble, I couldn't pick my feet up and had to scuff around, so I put some fur on the bottom of some shoes so I wouldn't sound so irritating when I shuffled around the house. It worked great.
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Comment #189 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 18:57:34 PT
Whig...
Top of my back?I have lower and middle back pain (an injury and disc problem, plus some minor scoliosis stuff and pinched nerve and muscle spasm stuff) on occasion but that isn't as fierce, anymore anyway...it crippled me for about three years some years back. Prescribed gentle back exercises help me keep that under control. But this pain from this particular headache, neck thing is in my neck and the base of my skull... the back and sides of my head and shoulders...upper back...and sometimes radiating into my upper arms. The pain is in the back of my neck and the lower part of my skull running around towards my ears and jaw. Besides sharp intense pain, it feels like all that area is immersed in some sort of hot oil and hot oil is burning the inside of that area, too. It's strange. It usually starts at the base of my skull in back and the back of my neck. The hot oil feeling makes me think a nerve is seriously involved.As it is, I take advil and tylenol for it when it strikes and try to keep it under control with chiropractic and that blessed pillow.Advil and tylenol don't always work to ease the pain, though, so I thought it might be a good idea to check into some of the homeopathic remedies if they could be used in addition to the other when the other didn't work.Or are they to be taken to prevent the pain from ever happening?
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Comment #188 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 18:42:06 PT
Whig
That particular headache, the one that feels like flaming liquid, burning hot oil in addition to regular pain always comes after a bit of sleeping, either waking me during the night or early in the morning. Without my special pillow which supports my neck with air that's adjustable with a pump, and has a sort of well area for my head I'm virtually guaranteed to get that headache.It's completely different from the migraines I get. With migraines I have a warning aura of one kind or another. If I take pain relief during the aura and before the pain starts, it's ok...except for a kind of dizziness and nausea the aura leaves me in. If I don't catch it before the pain starts...I can't stop the pain at all.With this nerve involved headache, with the feeling of hot oil, if it's full blast...it too, is often completely or nearly intractable. Sometimes I can get just a little relief, with otc pain stuff, heat, and massage. Sometimes, none. It was the headache, that I was stuck with once while away from home and the people I was visiting had no otc pain reliever that I wasn't allergic to. Someone had a small amount of pot and besides that, there was nothing else that I could take, so I had no other choice, and I didn't expect it to help that much, and it helped amazingly. The relief only lasted about forty five minutes each dose...but it was a Godsend. I was very impressed. 
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Comment #187 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 18:05:40 PT
charmed quark
I recommend turmeric as well.
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Comment #186 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 18:01:23 PT
Hope
Here's what the Arnica headache indications are.http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Arn/headAlso, it matters very much how your head hurts, whether it is in the morning or in the evening, whether it is better in hot weather or cold, humid or dry, etc. All of these help indicate whether a particular remedy is correct. It's easy to get locked into one idea so let's not do that unless it seems right to you. I'm really new at this and I know it is possible for me to make a wrong suggestion, so I need feedback.
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Comment #185 posted by charmed quark on November 06, 2007 at 17:54:05 PT
stretching and good food
Hope - I use a neck traction device. I've also found the ankle traction with inversion helpful.I live near Philadelphia - we get very good food from the Pennsylvania Dutch outside of the city - organic, grass fed beef and milk, grass- and bug-fed chicken, great vegetables and fruit. Also good produce from New Jersey. Some great local cheeses. Local wine is not so good. But incredible breads here.We also grow a lot in our small urban yard. This year was fantastic for tomatoes. From a bed about 10 feet by 6 feet. We had so many we had to can some. They are still going. We grow about 20 different herbs, too. Lavender, lemon balm, lemon verbena, several peppermints, sage, rosemary, parsley, lots of basil, thyme...I use a combination of lavender and peppermint, as scents, to help with the migraines. (Speaking of herbs - We also have a local "herb witch" who makes up herbal concoctions for my neuropathy and migraines. They help a bit. Ginger really helps the nausea)Anyway, you don't have to live in the country for great food.
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Comment #184 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 17:53:15 PT
Hope
If it's the top of your back that hurts, then I've guessed wrong. If it's lumbar area, that would tend to confirm. Please advise. :)And I'm not a doctor, so you're taking your own risks here, I just don't think the risks amount to much.
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Comment #183 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 17:50:08 PT
Hope
Get the 30C potency, since I don't see any reason to use another. This is non-toxic, there is no way it can harm you, though it could cause aggravation of your symptoms for a short time, or it could cause them to be relieved. You can either put one pellet under your tongue or follow the procedure I gave charmed quark with the distilled water. The latter is more powerful, and to be used when you are more sure of the remedy. I'm pretty sure it will help, actually.
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Comment #182 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 17:46:16 PT
Hope
I remember, I think I had come up with Arnica Montana.http://www.abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Arn/backDoes this sound consistent with your symptoms? We can try something else but I recall this was particularly indicated for healing of injuries like whiplash.Would you like to try it, and see if it helps?Most important are the highlights:Better, lying down, or with head low.
back; pain; sore, bruised, beaten;
back; pain; sore, bruised, beaten; during shivering; ;
back; pain; sore, bruised, beaten; lumbar (lower half of back); ;
back; pain; as if sprained; lumbar (lower half of back); ;
back; pain;
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Comment #181 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 12:53:23 PT
I've thought a bar set up...like a jungle gym
type thing where you could hang upside down from you knees would be helpful.Also I read once about a guy who was in such miserable back pain that he put on his boots, tied his ankles together at one end of a long rope and threw the long end of the rope over the limb of a tall enough tree and had himself hauled gently into the air by friends and hung like that for a while and got tremendous relief. Warning! Don't use an inversion table while you are alone. It's important! You'll know why if you've ever tried it. And for sure, don't try the tree method alone.
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Comment #180 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 12:46:43 PT
One of the things that's helped me
and my spine...but it's an ordeal of sorts...but when it's bad enough...it's more than worth doing, is inversion... to stretch the spine. I've also tried partially homemade traction devices... and actually trying to rest my neck against a log...a piece of firewood...trying to some relief and get the neck curved back in the right direction. They didn't work, to curve my neck back right, but they did give me some relief and may be why I can move as well as I do. The inversion (hanging upside down by the ankles), or partial inversion... not completely swinging free by the ankles... but tilted enough that the spine is stretched, did help considerably. A lot, in fact.Complete inversion, in my rig is hard, and painful on my ankles if I do it for any length of time. But partial, you can feel when it is enough... can mean blessed relief.My rig is very old and was old when I got it. I found it at a garage sale that a victim of a serious accident had purchased for rehabilitation and no longer cared to keep. It was a lifesaver. I was so lucky to have found it. Actually someone else found it and told me about it. It's not made much if any differently than these newer ones. You can even run on to them on ebay.http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/inversion-tables-system.htmlhttp://www.inversion-table-direct.com/?cm_mmc=Keywords-_-Google_AdWords-_-inversion_exercise-_-1527862http://www.fitnesszone.com/inversiontables.php?gclid=CNOF67iJyY8CFQSOggoduW4m9A
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Comment #179 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 12:27:52 PT
Whig, comment 176
Yes, Whig. I'd appreciate that very much.I don't understand how there could be a medicinal remedy for it, but it's interesting to consider.
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Comment #178 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 12:09:12 PT
Just a Comment
It's snowing. The grass still needs to be mowed one more time and it's snowing this early. That's all. It's pretty.
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Comment #177 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 11:32:04 PT

whig
Where you live good produce should be very easy to find. Remember many of the 60's Hippies moved as far from the east coast as they could go and started organic gardening. Your part of the United States can reap those benefits and that's a good thing.
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Comment #176 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 11:28:48 PT

Hope
Do you want me to try to find a remedy that might help you too? I think I'd mentioned something before for whiplash, I can try to find it and see if it still seems like a good match.
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Comment #175 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 11:25:28 PT

FoM
This area has farmers markets somewhere every day. So it can be done, and Pittsburgh does have a few farmers markets that show up every so often in some neighborhoods. It can get better everywhere.
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Comment #174 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 11:22:30 PT

oops
30mL = 1/8 cup.
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Comment #173 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 11:21:17 PT

charmed quark
I'm pretty confident on this one helping you, actually. So can you do something a little different, obtain a liter of distilled water and refrigerate it in a glass bottle. Put one pellet of Aur 30C in the bottle and allow it to dissolve over night. Then agitate the bottle by strong shaking at least 50-100 shakes, and measure off about 30mL of water (1/8 tsp) into a glass. Drink this and put the rest of the goldwater back in the fridge. Let me know what you think.
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Comment #172 posted by museman on November 06, 2007 at 11:19:18 PT

advice and info
Thanx everyone, I am investigating the info and links.Waking up form a lifetime of socially sanctioned, commercially marketed, and government propaganda about everything from the existence of the soul to poisonous foods and medicines being practically shoved down our mouths, is not an easy thing to do. Since the turn of the century I have had to quit several addictions, and have a backlog of bad habits I am still struggling with.I understand healing. I know where that phenomenon comes from. Many years ago I was trained in the art of Jin Shin Jyutzu. It was during that training that I realized what healing was, and the distinction between the doctor and the healer became increasingly apparent.As of yesterday the AMA just lost me forever. Never again will any of their 'specialness' affect my health, and or health decisions. At this point they are just waste paper in action.Funny thing how the essence and power of healing is exactly the same kind of power we have to use to end the political farces and falshoods that are making the global body sick. The total dependency on the ones who make the error to fix the error is just another error compounding all the rest.Faith and belief is the fabric that coheses our reality. We can base it on fear and lack of faith- thereby a never ending need for contracts and enforcements (and perpetuated misery)- or faith and belief - acting and living life in trust instead of suspicion. We can believe that the doctors know better than we do about our own beings, or we can trust our own intuitive resources and discover healing.Leaps of faith must be made. They are being made, and will continue to be made -totally un-noticed by the mainstream and the status quo. Denial of what is happening now, and what is coming avails no one anything other than less chance and opportunity to survive it.The good news is that all it will take is a global consiousness change - one that is physically, mentally, spiritually, and psychologically possible- to reverse the global destruction, and restore health to planet earth and humanity. The bad news is, too many of the ones who have the time, resource, and immediate ability to affect change, are the ones who are f--ing it up, and they are just too comfortable in their illusions.So physicians, "Heal yourselves," get humble enough to ask for a real healer if you just can't reach that painful spot, and get the hell out of the way of the rest of us.
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Comment #171 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 11:12:40 PT

whig
I know they don't. That is one of the reason that country living is good. It has it's hardships like high speed connections but that is getting solved now too thank goodness. City people could try to get together and have community gardens and then the produce would be much better.
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Comment #170 posted by Hope on November 06, 2007 at 11:05:58 PT

Charmed Quark
That thing happening to you sounds very similar if not exactly like this crazy thing happening in my neck because of a whip lash injury from years ago. The x-rays are very ugly. Small finger like appendages of bone...bone spurs, I guess, are growing out from the bottom of one vertebra and angling down over the disk towards the next vertebra. When they grow enough to connect to the next vertebra, which is what they are doing, or trying to do, apparently my vertebrae are trying to fuse themselves to each other, they will trap the nerves in that area running from my spinal cord to my arms and hands, compress them...and cause just the crippling symptoms you are talking about. At that point, when they fuse, I'm told I will have to have surgery to remove the bone growth from the vertebrae. I have the migraines and another sort of headache, a painful burning one in the back of my neck, head, and shoulders, that comes from the nerves in that area, that is treatable, at this point, by the chiropractor and a special pillow. The chiropractic adjustments do wonders for whatever causes those headaches. I started getting that scary hand and and forearm numbness on occasion years ago. I found that not wearing rings helps that keep from happening.I, too, have degenerative disk disease in that same area, too, and arthritis. Also, you know how that area, the neck, of the spine is supposed to curve towards the front of the neck? Mine was thrown out of line in the accident and stayed out of line, and instead curves exactly opposite of how it's supposed to. It seems strange. I've seen it and it's obvious in x-rays, but it doesn't show from the outside. My neck looks like it's curved normally. The chiropractor says he doesn't know how I have managed to overcome it and move as normally as I have. He says I shouldn't be able to move at all as well as I do and have apparently compensated for it somehow that he can't see in the x-rays.All of this comes from a whiplash car accident that I saw a doctor about, but wasn't treated for at all. They said, I had a "hematoa the size of a potato" in my neck, but that there wasn't any treatment or anything they could do about it... not even a brace. I wish I'd seen someone else...I probably wouldn't have all this trouble now.
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Comment #169 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 11:02:34 PT

FoM
Those kinds of options don't exist everywhere, though. When I lived in Pittsburgh it's not like I could make a deal with my neighbor for their eggs or meat. You could buy what was in the stores or go without.
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Comment #168 posted by FoM on November 06, 2007 at 11:01:02 PT

Had Enough
I agree with you. We get eggs from a family locally not the store. We are looking into buying meat from our neighbor and their steers are grass fed. It would be great if people would slow down and stop needing everything under the sun. Instead of gotta have a big SUV we should learn to want a more efficent car or stop driving so much. I have watched people build big houses on tv and I kept thinking how will people be able to afford to heat them in the future. The future is now. If we don't slow down we will crash and burn I think.
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Comment #167 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 10:57:44 PT

Had Enough
It depends where you live. Here in the Bay area, good food is easy to find, everywhere.
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Comment #166 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 10:55:38 PT

charmed quark
Aurum metallicum is supposed to be a very strong remedy, sufficient even to the point of someone in suicidal pain. I'm very interested to hear some feedback on this one and it does have a good connection to exostoses.
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Comment #165 posted by Had Enough on November 06, 2007 at 10:44:54 PT

Munchies
MunchiesI believe the term munchies are derivative of the hippy culture. :)Good food is the problem. It’s hard to get.Almost everything we buy at the stores for the masses, are filled with all kinda stuff.Genetically altered vegetables grown with chemicals and poisons, sold in a can. Meat that has been raised on hormone supplements, and even fed dead carcasses of their own kind. Pathetic.I’ve always said that the ruling elite do not eat the same food we are offered, as they know better.I’d like to see what food is served at the White House, and where it came from. I’ll bet it didn’t come from the local Piggly Wiggly.Most all this food we are offered has things in it that goes against nature, but we eat it anyway, as there is little choice for most. Why is it in there? For profits above health, bottom line.Most all restaurants serve food with stuff in it too. Most could care less what was in it, as long as it TASTES and LOOKS good, and people buy it and fill their cash register.As we sit at the dawn of the New Age of Aquarius, we desperately need to get back to the garden again. Which we will, one way or another…Some may not like the way the return to the garden comes, and we will have to care for them too…The forces are in motion, economy, oils wars, etc…One day this all has to come to an end, which way will it be? A controlled return to the garden, or a forced crash and burn option?

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Comment #164 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 09:29:53 PT

Had Enough
It's true that how we eat is more important than almost anything else we can do for our health, positive or negative. Diet and exercise are the foundation.If a person is making bad health choices and/or has no desire to get well, no medicine will help.
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Comment #163 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 09:13:49 PT

charmed quark
My suggestion when you find something that looks right, 30C is a good default potency, take one pellet under the tongue, wait 24 hours and see if you can report any change in your condition.If you do feel a change, don't take any more. Wait at least a couple weeks, for your body to fully process the dose. The whole idea here is not to force your body to change in some way (as allopathic medicine force it) but to stimulate your body to respond in some way, and allow it full time to express that response.
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Comment #162 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 09:09:43 PT

charmed quark
No guarantees exist with homeopathic remedies, if you choose one that is wrong for your symptoms it won't help, if you choose something similar it will, if you choose something that matches almost perfectly it will help more.There is a lot of confusion about how it works, and different theories of mechanisms. If you understand wave-particle duality it will help you understand how dilution with agitation can carry the effects (waves) of a substance beyond the molecular limit. If you understand fractal self-similarity you will understand that a partial wave is equal to the whole wave, in some informational sense. If you understand the conservation of mass and energy, and that information is also conserved, then you will be close to understanding. At least as well as I do, at any rate.Since your primary complaint isn't the bone spurs, you might need something else, but you may want to look for a remedy which produces exostoses. The idea here is you want to take something which is poisonous in the exact way that it causes your symptoms when taken in a non-homeopathic dose.
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Comment #161 posted by whig on November 06, 2007 at 08:50:04 PT

charmed quark
If your condition doesn't match the symptoms that I based the recommendation on for Museman don't use the same thing. Even if there are two people diagnosed with the exact same condition if their symptoms are different the correct homeopathic remedy is different.I have a chronic headache as well, which I determined was mainly in my sinuses, and the remedy that I have been using is Mezereum. It has helped, mainly in that I can breathe without congestion now, and the headache has moved and reduced substantially. It isn't gone completely yet, though it has disappeared for a few minutes a couple times.
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Comment #160 posted by Had Enough on November 06, 2007 at 08:26:58 PT

Singing Dogs
Cool…Thanks Hope.The new puppy liked it too!!!You shoulda seen her ears, and watched her run in and out the doors.

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Comment #159 posted by Had Enough on November 06, 2007 at 07:03:04 PT

Medical Help
Maybe. This guy has been hitting my inbox for a few years now, I don’t remember signing up to his newsletter, but somehow I got on his list, and I’m glad of it.This Mike Adams the ‘Health Ranger’ here has a pretty good website. He was in bad shape health wise, got tired of seeing doctor after doctor only to receive another round of prescription drugs from the pill rollers, did his own research, found his own cures using different age old techniques, herbs, and so on. He had diabetes, blood pressure problems, etc… He now claims he is cured, healthy, and does not use prescription drugs. http://www.healthranger.org/He also hammers on the FDA and exposes the dangers of the processed food we eat. Myself I try to avoid anything with Hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils, enriched flours, and the poison chemicals they put in the candy bars and soft drinks these days. Next time you stop at the local convenience store, pick up some candy bars, gum, etc. and look at the ingredients, they are practically all the same, there is no food substance listed, just chemicals and things that taste sweet but wreck havoc on your system.My experience has been the more I stay true to what I eat the better I feel. When I do eat junk food I can feel it working on me. I never noticed that until I started to eat better foods. So if you are a junk food junkie, and feel bad, that could be the reason why. Poison/chemical laced foods are really, really bad for you.I started with Whole Wheat grain bread. A slice of it weighs about what two slices of junk bread would be. At first I liked the taste of the junk bread better. Then after a while eating good stuff, I ate some junk bread. Amazing, the taste of the junk bread had become repulsive, and wished I had the Whole Wheat bread again…The food processors put stuff in our food for profit, things that make it look better and taste better, but it is dangerous to consume. This website helps to point that out too.Maybe some could find this info useful.http://www.newstarget.com:80/About Mike AdamsPeople call me the Health Ranger. I used to be chronically diseased with borderline obesity, diabetes, depression and severe back pain. I used to visit doctors and follow their advice, and I used to eat anything I wanted: sodas, pizza, donuts, milk, hamburgers... you name it. And that's how I came to be overweight, depressed and diseased by the age of 30. But a few years ago, I "woke up," and in a process of regaining true clarity, I realized that practically everything we are taught about health, disease, food and medicine is utterly false. Everything I had ever been told about health -- by my doctors, schools and even my own government -- was a lie. And those lies explain why we are all so diseased today, burdened with cancer, diabetes, heart disease, osteoporosis and many other diseases that are entirely preventable, as you'll soon see. http://www.healthranger.org/If you like Oscar Mayer salami don’t see this, or you might not ever eat it again, unless it is a last resort.Mystery Meat Macrophotographyhttp://www.newstarget.com/phototour_mystery_meat_1.html

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Comment #158 posted by charmed quark on November 06, 2007 at 04:16:00 PT

Thanks whig
Mine is more widespread, not just the spine. Some autoimmune aspects - they use to think I had MS.In the spine, sure, there are some bone spurs. Most people my age have them. But most of the nerve compression is probably due to degradation of the openings the nerves come out of.I've tried several homeopathic remedies in the past for the neuropathy. But I'll check these out, too.My big focus is my migraines. The neuropathy causes a lot of numbness and pain. I have trouble using my hands and sometimes walking. But the migraines are worst. They are totally disabling. That's what I've tried a lot of homeopathic remedies for. But dronabinol has almost totally eliminated my migraines, while significantly reducing the pain and spasms of the neuropathy. Doesn't help the numbness, though :-(
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Comment #157 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 21:42:09 PT

NGSDs 
I ran on to this fella, Milo http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7737982at a rescue site and thought "New Guinea Singing Dog? They're just making that up." Lol!Milo is a mix, kind of sad, with a Shiba Inu. I guess mongrelization is better than nothing left of them at all. The purebreds look pretty spunky though, so maybe they can be bred, and kept pure, in captivity, and do well. I read somewhere that there are likely less than three hundred of them left in the wild. They are wild animals, maybe even some sort of wolf rather than dingo, but they will domesticate, I read, a bit better than wolves and coyotes. Basinjis are wild dogs, too, from the Sudan. Besides not barking, they are odorless and don't shed. Basinjis are great dogs...but they do have that "wild" thing going on, too. They are cat like in their aloofness. They even wash their faces with their paws. And the noises, when he, my mother's Basinji, did make them, were unearthly. When you heard something eerie and strange and spooky during the night, first you had to see if it was something that dog was doing. I miss old Bandit. He was a princely, beautiful, peculiar animal.
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Comment #156 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 21:10:03 PT

Thanks FoM Comment 152
It was refreshing. I thought Museman especially might like the "Chorus howl" http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/dogworld/chorus-howl-6-singers1.mp3I thought it was a fine recording and that he might enjoy it.
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Comment #155 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 21:06:46 PT

That last youtube video,
I think, had some people, who sound much scarier, singing with them at a zoo.Didn't notice that until too late...but it sure got my attention!I just discovered these dogs this evening.
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Comment #154 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 21:03:36 PT

By the way...don't play if someone is sleeping.
http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/dogworld/chorus-howl-6-singers1.mp3is just so cool. I keep playing it over and over.For sure, unless you want people waking up in terror...don't play this one until tomorrow.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJNax0oT8hIThey are astounding.
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Comment #153 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 20:57:40 PT

New Guinea Singing Dogs don't bark.
They don't bark, like the Basenji, doesn't bark, but they aren't Basenjis.Basenjis, too, are wonderful, very odd dogs. My mother had one for years. He was a trip. He, too, made many strange noises and did peculiar things, like make me get up in the middle of the night to let him look out the door. He just wanted to look out, a lot of the time, instead of going out. I'd try to ignore him and he'd wriggle down behind me on the couch and use all four legs to push me off the couch. He was a medium sized dog...but he was strong enough to dump me off the couch.You can listen to a Basenji "yodel" on this page.http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/9467/thebasenji.html
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 20:48:31 PT

Hope
Thank you. That was refreshing to see. I love animals. My dogs howl in harmony to many of Neil's songs. On the new CD they sing along to The Way. On his last CD LWW they liked America The Beautiful. Dogs and people form really close bonds or at least I do with mine.
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Comment #151 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 20:40:38 PT

There are videos of them on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf2FXzD34Ws
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Comment #150 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 20:38:28 PT

Hope
That was cool. What wonderful sounds. They look like a Dingo to me but the tail looks like a fox sort of.
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Comment #149 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 20:29:32 PT

Thanks, Whig
And completely off topic...I thought some of you might enjoy hearing these New Guinea Singing Dogs. I have. It's beautiful and wild and elemental. You'll enjoy it if you like that sort of thing. Sadly the dogs may be on the verge of extinction. The New Guinea Singing Dog is type of wild dog that has been, in some cases, sort of, domesticated. They sound a bit like coyotes, but not quite. They are more like dingoes, but not quite. http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/dogworld/chorus-howl-6-singers1.mp3At this site, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/newguineasingingdog.shtmlyou can listen to a BBC radio show about them. Along with the talk you can hear the dogs singing in parts of the show. Including a pack that a woman keeps in Southern Oregon.
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Comment #148 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 20:07:39 PT

Hope
This was the remedy finder I posted:http://abchomeopathy.com/go.phpI have never actually done business with this company, but they have a nice interface and seem to have good prices. Boiron is the manufacturer of the medicine I got (at the natural grocery) so it should be the same thing no matter where you buy it or have it shipped from.
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Comment #147 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 20:00:58 PT

Whig...
Where's your post with the homeopathic site? Or could you just post it again, please?Museman, I'm so sorry that you are hurting so badly. 
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Comment #146 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 19:37:09 PT

charmed quark
Is your condition the same in that you have bone spurs too? Would you also like to try the Calc-f or one of the other remedies and see if it helps?
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Comment #145 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 19:35:35 PT

museman
If you're not sure what to do, and just want to try something and see if it helps, get 30C potency Calc-f. Place one pellet under your tongue, and let me know if it does anything in the first 24 hours.
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Comment #144 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 19:25:27 PT

charmed quark
You can try a homeopathic remedy too, I just don't want to hold myself out as any kind of expert, I'm just learning about it and figuring out how it works. I was going to recommend you talk to a naturopathic doctor because that's an option out here, but I don't know if you can find one where you are.I really hope that we can all learn enough about how to cure our own painful conditions, and then go out and teach others to do the same. But there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical too except that I'm having a very noticeable benefit from a homeopathic medicine.
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Comment #143 posted by charmed quark on November 05, 2007 at 19:17:33 PT

Thanks
In some ways I like it here better than the west coast. But if I didn't have family obligations here, I'd probably move back for the medical reasons.

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Comment #142 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 19:11:36 PT

charmed quark
Oh, sorry. Since you mentioned Dr. Mikuriya I figured you were still local to the area.Not sure what to suggest on the east coast, I practically hate to visit that side of the country right now.
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Comment #141 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 19:09:57 PT

charmed quark
Also, Dr. Rebecca Wilhelm in Berkeley. I don't know if she does medical marijuana consultations or not but she is a great doctor.
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Comment #140 posted by charmed quark on November 05, 2007 at 19:08:13 PT

Unfortunately, I now live on the East Coast.
Dr. Mikurya continued my treatment here, but few other doctors seem willing, even after the recent studies showing THC's efficacy for neuropathy.If I lived on the Left Coast, I imagine I'd use the herbal form. From what I've read, it may work better and is certainly easier to titrate. Plus, you can grow it yourself. Very empowering!
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Comment #139 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 18:55:17 PT

charmed quark
I recommend Dr. Frank Lucido in Berkeley.
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Comment #138 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 18:53:33 PT

museman
The way I figure it, if you try it and it doesn't work, you're probably going to be out less than ten bucks on something, and if it helps, even a little bit, it's probably worth it.
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Comment #137 posted by charmed quark on November 05, 2007 at 18:53:16 PT

musman
I have a similar disorder - my entire spine, especially in the cervical and lumbar regions, is degraded, causing compression in the spinal roots. I also have compressions where the nerves pass through peripheral regions - sort of a wide spread carpal tunnel syndrome. Just for fun, I have severe basilar migraines that are often set off by the neuropathy in my neck and shoulder areas.Generally, surgery only works for small areas of compression. Your's sound too widespread ( but I could be wrong, I'm not a doctor). In my case, even before it became widespread, they didn't think surgery had a very high success rate.I've tried all the alternative medicines without success - massage, acupuncture, etc. Yoga helps some, but I'm too degenerated to do the regular kind anymore - I'm doing an interesting fully supported form called swaroopa.Regular daily exercise, if you can manage it, helps.For pain, various drugs developed for seizures are used. Neurontin, Topomax, Lyrica. The generic form of the older ones are pretty inexpensive. Antispasmodics can help with spasticity.And of course, cannabis, or in my case, dronabinol (Marinol), is VERY helpful with the pain and spasms resulting from this condition.In my case, I couldn't tolerate the other drugs, so can only take the dronabinol. Sadly, my pain specialist died ( Dr. Mikuriya), and my new doctor seems unwilling to prescribe this, so I may be forced to use narcotics. We'll see.Best of luck to you.
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Comment #136 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 18:47:34 PT

museman
Calcarea Fluorata may be the first choice for bone spurs. Also worth considering for exostoses, Hecla lava, Aurum metallicum, Aurum muriaticum, Mercury and Silica.Pick one that best fits your particular symptoms, and not just that one but all your symptoms. The site I linked before should have an index you can use to look them up each individually. If you find something else that looks like a better match even than one of these, that's fine too. You want to find the closest match.Depending on which one you pick and how deep your symptoms are you might need a different potency. Let me know if this seems like a good thing to try.
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Comment #135 posted by greenmed on November 05, 2007 at 17:48:32 PT

museman
Have you considered or tried therapeutic massage or chiropractic?
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 17:36:33 PT

fight_4_freedom 
You're welcome. Every little thing we do makes a difference. Just think if they ever legalized cannabis how much energy the country would save because it could be grown in fields almost everywhere.
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Comment #133 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 05, 2007 at 17:26:59 PT:

Thanks for the universal link FOM
During the NBC Sunday night football game last night, the analysts who preview the game and do the halftime show had the lights off in the studio the entire night. Which I thought was great, considering how many people tune in to watch that game.Hopefully that will change a few people's bad energy habits. I know as soon as I saw that, i got my butt up of the couch and turned off the lights that didn't need to be on. I usually try to conserve as much as possible, but a reminder is always helpful :)
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 16:40:54 PT

This Is Good To Me
When the Hippies moved on from the Summer of Love I believe earth issues were really born and look now how broad this issue is becoming.http://www.greenisuniversal.com/
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Comment #131 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 15:46:54 PT

FoM, runruff
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Comment #130 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 15:42:23 PT

whig
Well, my initial research on xanax doesn't offer much hope. 
I suffer from spinal degeneration. The name is so wierd, I can't reproduce it for you - I also in some way I can't explain, don't want to give it any more power than it already has by naming it for the world.
Severe degenerative bone loss, which creates bone spurs that pinch various areas of my spinal cord. It began in my upper back, the final result of which was constant unremittent pain, and about 30% muscle loss and use from left arm. I was thankfull when it settled down into pain management, that I could still play my guitar.Apparently the situation has decided to take place in my lower back as well. About 3 days ago was my first day out of bed since about 2 weeks ago when I got laid out and incpacitated.There will be some amount of recovery, and there is now, or I wouldn't be able to sit here and type this, but this is a physical condition connected to actual physical damage to my spine. If I were wealthy, I would have a surgery option, but, lol, these guys don't even want to give me adequate pain medicine, let alone any real 'medical' services.
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Comment #129 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 15:41:49 PT

Runruff and Museman Together on CNews
I think that is just so wonderful. If it hadn't been for Runruff we wouldn't have met Museman. You guys are the best.
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Comment #128 posted by runruff on November 05, 2007 at 15:33:37 PT:

Museman
Hey, it'a good to hEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. i WILL BE IN TOUCH SOON. Busy busy busy. Good gravy how I am busy!
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Comment #127 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 15:21:23 PT

museman
Don't forget that I'm experienced with chronic pain, too. I don't mind you telling me that you are in a lot of pain and need to treat it, I don't disagree that you should use what works. Just considering alternatives to opiates and xanax is a good idea, in my opinion.
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Comment #126 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 15:15:02 PT

museman
I'm not sure where you feel pain, nor that homeopathic treatment can cure you, but it cannot do harm to try, can it?
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Comment #125 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 15:13:25 PT

whig
Yes, and self-healing is within my scope, however I am dependent on substances (at this point) for several conditions that aren't considered 'reversable' meaning the answers aren't as simple as diet, exercise, and good vibrations. I am trying to achieve a balance. Knowledge of herbal alternatives is what I need. They won't let me grow my own opium so I can deal with my pain without the middleman drug dealer doctor, and I'm sorry but the kind of pain that I have to deal with on a daily, hour-to-hour basis has no homeopathic alternative -that I know of.The kind of pain that I and others have to deal with is not something that can be lived with without pain suppression. Even with opium it still takes conscious effort to stay above the pain, and that is where cannabis comes in. Without cannabis the opium is not enough. Without opium, (is there a better, less addicting pain suppressor?) or it's equivalent in effect, nothing is enough.
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Comment #124 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 15:05:27 PT

museman
They just really expanded the clinic where my husband and our friends go and they do all kinds of tests if necessary with no issue about drug testing. When our friend was getting ready to have a Liver Transplant they tested him and told him if he tests hot again they will deny him the transplant but when the time came and a liver became available nothing was said and the transplant went ahead successfully. The Vets we know like the VA around here.
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Comment #123 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 14:59:48 PT

FoM
I don't know the precise answer, however it is easy enough to connect the dots.VA is 100% federally funded.You cannot get medical assitance from the VA unless you are lodged in a VA facility. There is no outpatient service (at least not around here). If you are lodged at the VA, they will do drug tests, specificly for cannabis.I know of at least one person who was denied VA disability because he was convicted of marijuana possession - while in the process of applying for a card. I was warned not to mention my use of the herb while I was getting my own disability. It's a grey area right now, though I know at least one who has disability and medical marijuana and is being relatively left alone -for the meantime.

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Comment #122 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 14:59:27 PT

whig
I believe in healing ourselves too. I use essential oils for inhalation and topically. I use herbs for what I need and am healthier then when I was on prescription drugs. So for about 13 years I have been able to help myself.
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Comment #121 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 14:51:52 PT

museman
If you cannot find a homeopath, you may be able to find what you need for yourself. If you cannot find a healer, you may need to become one. I believe in the old adage, physician heal thyself. Anything I can do to help explain what I've come to understand I will be glad to. We can cure many people with chronic conditions, if not everyone. I'd rather spread knowledge and understanding than dispense remedies directly.
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Comment #120 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 14:46:22 PT

One More Question
My husband doesn't take any medicine but if a Veteran needs to use a prescription drug does the VA drug test then?
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Comment #119 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 14:44:14 PT

museman
I was saying that the VA has been ok for my husband. They don't drug test. I guess that's what I mean by fine. 
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Comment #118 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 14:40:57 PT

whig
In answer to your question, yes I do need a healer. A homeopath is probably more likely to actually be a healer than any doctor I have ever met. I have met healers though, so I know the difference (between 'doctor' and 'healer.')Just like in other 'professions' there are bound to be a few real people mixed in with all the money-backed diploma-on-the-wall fakes, but since wealth, prestige, and power are the prime motivations for almost all of these people, the real deal is hard to find.Unfortnately the current 'medical science' does not recognize the art of healing as valid medical practice. If that were the case than we wouldn't be on a forum protesting prohibition of the most useful healing herb and object on the planet.
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Comment #117 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 14:33:05 PT

FoM
I am not saying that the VA is OK. Where do you get that?The way that poor people are treated by a lot of doctors and their staff - poor people are the ones with medicaid- is inconscionable. I just went through an incredible set of profiling done by the Emergency room, then the pharmacist, then my doctor, and his staff. I have long hair, therefore I am a junkie scamming the system for drugs.You know, I'd cut my hair, but it just keeps growing back, and it's just easier to tie it behind my head than having to cut it twice a month to keep it out of my face.This is a small town FoM, with some very strong divisions going back decades. This has been the front lines of envronmentalists -specificly against logging- since the whole idea first came about. We have been the headquarters for such contraversial groups (some labeled eco-terrorist by Bush nazis) as Earth First!, the Monkeywrench Gang and others. This area has long been a battleground for liberty as long as I have known of it.Therefore the prejudices, and the abuse of power that exist here are more obvious and on the surface than in a larger community with a more diverse population.And yes, in my experience, people who have to resort to public assistance, and medicaid are treated differently than those who can afford to pay for their care. The attitudes are sometimes just downright sickening.
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Comment #116 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 12:41:35 PT

Runruff
You're probably right.The greedy who coveted the belongings of others, in both cases, created the false fear and stirred up the hysteria to serve their own greed. They got, and too often, still get, what they wanted. I wonder if they will ever get what they truly deserve.Donald P. Scott was just one of the many, many victims of that greed, that evil, still running rampant throughout the world, even today, disguised, once again, as something upright, virtuous, and righteous.
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 12:36:43 PT

museman
Help me out here. Are you saying it is because the people are on Medicaid that they are treating them that way? If you say yes why is the VA ok?
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Comment #114 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 12:34:48 PT

museman
Do you need to be healed, and will you consider a homeopathic remedy?
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Comment #113 posted by museman on November 05, 2007 at 12:31:03 PT

the new local quack shack
Runruff is completely correct about the new Siskyou Clinic - which has a unique history.Originally, the founders of the clinic were 'hippies' from a little-known town of Takilma Oregon (about 12 miles from Cave Junction,) and it was called the 'Takilma Free Clinic.' Sometime in the '80's they started accepting medicaid programs, and it stopped being a free community clinic. The clients of Siskyou Clinic have always been the poor people, and people on welfare; including the meth and heroin addicts, and the alcoholic rednecks.Cave Junction is one of the most profiled towns on the west coast. The cops that we voted out (and Bush reinstated) laid out a propaganda platform (that Bush accepted) of our county being a 'lawless county.'There are numerous medical MJ card holders in the area. Runruff is right that part the reasons for the extreme conditions applying to that clinic are because the feds are trying every underhanded and despicable -but legal- action they can to undermine the medical program.A good part I believe however is the stigma of the past, and the current investors and managers of the clinic are trying to get new, more mainstream clientelle to fill up their brand new state-of-the-art quackery.I used to go there myself, until they tried to pull their power trips on me, and I showed them who was boss by getting another doctor. Unfortunately, the feds have also made that option unavailable for those dependent on medical programs from the state; the ability to change doctors is limited to once every 3 years or something similar.Doctors are nothing more than legal drug dealers at this point. Where are the healers? Not in medical school apparently. I'm going through some intense pain issues right now that has me arguing with my doctor, and I cannot believe how ignorant these people are who are supposed to have 'higher education.' Quacks, every last one of them. Show me a healer!
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Comment #112 posted by runruff on November 05, 2007 at 11:48:17 PT:

Salem Mass. vs. Jackson County Oregon. 
I read that the Salem witch trials were really about confiscating property [ie, asset forfiture] than actually disposing of witches. I never forget that prohibition is money and power to cops and an excuse to extend their powers for the federal government. Plus it is profit protection for the mega-pharms that purchase their laws from congress. 
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Comment #111 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 09:39:01 PT

(bmg,blg,bgg)
I can't believe it! I get it!
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Comment #110 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 09:17:49 PT

whig 
I don't dress like a Hippie but I always say I have a tie dyed heart.
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Comment #109 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 09:07:29 PT

afterburner
Thanks for the wishes, I'll pass them along when my wife gets home. We had a nice time, went to a movie on Saturday and out to dinner on Sunday. We saw Across The Universe which was a musical using a lot of Beatles' material. Thin plot (bmg,blg,bgg), but good music.
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Comment #108 posted by whig on November 05, 2007 at 09:04:08 PT

FoM
You weren't wrong about hippies being involved in creating the internet. You just have to understand that there were at one time hippies that worked for the US government, people who really believed in the ideals that we believe in, the idea of America. The internet was designed to survive a war, it was designed to be capable of routing around damage, including domestic censorship. The internet was designed to be what it is, in other words, a communications structure that cannot be destroyed by our enemies. In a sense I'm a hippie too but I don't wear clothes that would identify me that way. I'm sure there are many invisible hippies throughout our country.
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Comment #107 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 08:48:13 PT

How wasteful, how stupid, how insane
is this idiotic mass hysterical ignorance and fear of a plant going to get before it ends?Imagine if the leaders in old Salem, Massachusetts had been able to acquire an $800,000 infrared scanner to detect the presence and whereabouts of witches.The fear of cannabis is no less an idiotic superstition than the fear of witches in those other dark days of the history of humanity.It's unfathomable how so many people can be subject to such a hideous mass delusion as we see taking place in the world today over the plant, cannabis.
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Comment #106 posted by Hope on November 05, 2007 at 08:37:18 PT

Oregon Seizures Of Marijuana Plants Double In 2007
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n1276/a06.html?397Excerpt:Jackson County, which faces severe budget problems, voted $800,000 this summer for infrared scanners, a new mobile command center and other gear to help protect deputies entering marijuana grows catch the growers before they flee.
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Comment #105 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 08:11:04 PT

Afterburner 
Thank you. It was very pleasant.
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Comment #104 posted by afterburner on November 05, 2007 at 07:54:35 PT

FoM and Mrs. Whig! 
Happy belated Birthday to you both! I had a really busy week and was not online yesterday. It was pleasant news this morning reading about your birthdays. I hope they were pleasant ones.
 

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Comment #103 posted by afterburner on November 05, 2007 at 07:37:03 PT

Hope #51
"Just think of all the things our government puts people through in the name of prohibition. Graft. The black market. Gangs. Cartels. Violence." Just think of all the things our government *supports* in the name of prohibition! Graft. The black market. Gangs. Cartels. Violence. 
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 05:35:05 PT

nuevo mexican 
Thank you. That was fun to read. I sure hope we get some news soon. This is the longest time that I can remember that I couldn't find any news to post. 
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 05:33:05 PT

Potpal and Dankhank
Good articles. 
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on November 05, 2007 at 05:31:32 PT

Whig
I used the wrong word. I should have used the words helped develop the Internet. I'll be more careful with words.
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Comment #99 posted by potpal on November 05, 2007 at 04:02:03 PT

pass it over to me
ot...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-11-04-glaucoma_N.htmCannabis prohibition is the crime.
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Comment #98 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 23:07:06 PT

FoM
Let me put it this way, the internet was created by the US military, and it was designed to be able to survive against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Comment #97 posted by Dankhank on November 04, 2007 at 22:09:19 PT

OT good article
re: Dennis Kuchinichhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/05/kucinich/
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Comment #96 posted by nuevo mexican on November 04, 2007 at 21:37:23 PT

Thanks! Fun, fun, fun!
The Moon had barely entered Sun-shiny Leo when you were 'born', thus, your 'inner self' the Moon, 'shines' and gets to be 'seen' by all! Leo rules love, leisure, recreation, the creative arts, and the 'flower children' all have Pluto in Leo, thus, the 'child' and 'flower'.Once every two hundred and fifty years this Pluto in Leo generation re-appears!Leo Moon people 'quietly' lead, and many famous actors, musicians and creative folks have this Lunar position.It can lead to a lot of 'drama' in ones' life, and leads many to 'perform' in a 'behind the scenes' way as a way of channeling or directing and benefiting from the drama.You have three planets, the Sun, Mercury and Venus in Scorpio, which likes privacy, give one great focus, and makes one prominent in the lives of others, with integrity and principles being the focus of their expression.Great a picking out great films, composing or selecting music, articulate when writing, and to the point, no wasted words.And you have Taurus Rising, the sign of love, a little stubborn, and is hard, hard working, super affectionate, and Buddha-like, ruled by Venus, and is an Earth Sign, practical, with common sense, and never one to give up, ever!That's just one reason why we love you FOM!Earthy Taurus Rising would give one balance and perspective, as having your Rising sign, which governs the way you see the world, and the way the world sees you, in the opposite sign, means you 'have' two sides of yourself.And, since the way you 'appear' is the exact opposite of the way you 'are' so people can easily misinterpret you.It works in your favor though, as Taurus is tough and can protect your lovable Leo Moon and psychic Scorpio energy, the kind advice and insight, which people love to 'take', free of charge!So start charging!You can read the horoscope for Capricorn too, as 60 years equals 60 days when you progress your birth date, you current 'reality', that makes your current 'contract' Jan. 3, 1948!So that makes you a happy workaholic Capricorn (for the next 18 years), with the Moon in justice and peace loving Libra, (for another year, and then it enters Scorpio for two and a half years, and you start over, for the next thirty years!), sensitive, Mothering Cancer rising, (for 18 more years). That makes C-News 'HOME' for alot of us, I should've known!What is fun about Astrology is you are not 'stuck' with your 
birth date, it is the 'original contract' though every year you advance one year in your chart as well, so at the age of Sixty, the Sun 'sextiles' the Suns position at birth, (60 degrees) and you have choices, options, opportunities in your life and good fortune appears, as a reflection of the energy of what is created by this aspect! Sixty is great!(I believe we 'pre-create' our lives on Earth pre-natally, in accordance to our 'karmic choices', and we set our free-will intention at our birth, with re-negotiations taking place every birthday).It's great Astrologically for anyone to be 'Sixty'.Maybe that's why the 'Sixties' as in the '1960's, are perceived as so 'great' even though in reality, they were very hard times, and yet, it was a time of 'opportunities' that are only now re-appearing!Three is your lucky number this year!The Moon (family, women, emotions), was in Leo today, where it was when you were born, so you got a Solar AND a LUNAR Return on the same day, which happens when we are Sixty, so you come home to yourself this year, as you already have with your communications with your two sisters.Stick must be as happy as you!And thanks for sharing your life with us, btw, Julia Roberts is a Scorpio with Leo Moon too!
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 21:33:56 PT

runruff
I'm sure if you get it scanned someone can get it online. People can upload a picture on this link.http://gallery.marihemp.com/albums.php
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 21:28:59 PT

whig
I agree. 
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Comment #93 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 21:28:17 PT:

Me too!
I will not go there ever again. This is all true. I am not exagerating. I have a copy of the contract If you all want to see it. We bought a new scanner, copier, fax a few days ago. After I hook it up I'm sure there will be some way I can show you the contract. The doctor there said that all this started to take place about two years ago. She says it is the Bush administration and it will get worse before it gets better. As for your client doctor privacy privilege, The contract nullifies that. I'm not sure people are aware just how serious this is.
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Comment #92 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 21:19:02 PT

FoM
Medicinal herbs and homeopathy are both good medicine for some people.
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 21:17:26 PT

One More Thing
I think the VA is the best option if a person is a Veteran and needs to see a Doctor. They see my husband every six months and do all kinds of blood tests. They still haven't found the time to test him for Agent Orange though. He handled drums that often leaked so we know he was exposed. If tests are required they send him to a big VA hospital about 130 miles from here but it doesn't cost us anything and that is a wonderful thing.
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Comment #90 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 21:10:23 PT

runruff
Seriously, it would be better not to be treated at all than to be treated by malicious incompetents. You don't need that clinic if they are what you describe them to be.
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Comment #89 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 21:05:36 PT

runruff
I wouldn't want to be treated by a DEA clinic.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 21:03:52 PT

runruff
If that becomes the future I will get sick and die first before I would go to something like that. Enough is enough. More people will turn to medicinal herbs if that happens. 
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Comment #87 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 20:52:33 PT:

FoM
I blows my mind too but it is true. Maybe the coming trend?
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:50:48 PT

runruff
Why would people go to a clinic with those requirements? I would never consider going to such a place. I'd stay sick if need be.
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:48:32 PT

runruff
I cannot imagine anyone around here tolerating a medical clinic with restrictions unless it was a pain clinic. 
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Comment #84 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 20:45:25 PT:

FoM
No it is not a pain clinic. It is the only medical facility around for 30 miles.It is located next to the little town of Cave Junction With a community of about 15,000 people living in the surrounding valley. The DEA is the muscle for the mega-pharm industry. That's the name of of that game. The mega-pharms have been working toward this end for 70 years. Block by building block they have built the most profitable industry in the world. [not counting petro] They knew before anyone else caught on that 50% of all pharmacopia contained cannabis prior to 1937. What does that mean? It means that a natural free medicine [a plant] is helpfull in treating many, many illnesses and maladies. From baby colic to sleep disorders. From back pain to alcoholism. From appitite disorders to spousal abuse. To Get where they are today, they had to surpress, even eraticate cannabis. Today the DEA is the muscle that helps them keep their profit dreams alive. RIP Robin
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:42:23 PT

Hope
I thought clinics were private. I never heard of a federal clinic around here just pain clinics.
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:40:53 PT

RevRayGreen
I read about the changed law and that's good. I hope they can do more.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:37:34 PT

Hope
Thank you. It turned into a special day. 
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 20:31:23 PT

FoM and Mrs. Whig!
Happy, Happy Birthday to you both!
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Comment #79 posted by RevRayGreen on November 04, 2007 at 20:30:23 PT

switching gears a bit....Retroactive Justice for
those incarcerated for lengthy marijuana sentences must apply as well and be released ASAP......vvvvvvv"This week, Congress finally tacitly conceded that crack-related penalties are too harsh. On Thursday, lawmakers let pass into law new guidelines proposed by the Sentencing Commission that will cut crack prison terms by an average of just over two years, with the amount of narcotics involved still playing the determining factor in the length of sentences. Now the commission needs to finish the job. On Nov. 13, it will hold a public hearing to consider whether the new scheme should be applied retroactively -- a move that could potentially reduce the sentences of nearly 20,000 men and women currently incarcerated for crimes involving crack. " 
Retroactive Justice 
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 20:28:22 PT

I can't understand why the Federal Government
would build any kind of clinic, much less a pain clinic.And why would they test specifically for THC?I didn't know there was such a thing as a Federally funded hospital or clinic or anything like that.I didn't know the Federal government built any medical facilities besides VA hospitals.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:26:39 PT

nuevo mexican
Thank you very much. That was really nice to read. I didn't know you had an ex and I'm sorry for that.
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 20:24:37 PT

Runruff...I see...
"If you have traces of thc in your urine you are bared from using the clinic. If you have traces of any drug not prescribed by the clinic you will be bared from using the clinic. My doctor said the DEA comes in once every month to go through the records".I don't really understand what the clinic is. You get prescriptions filled there, too?DEA goes through records for controlled substance prescriptions everywhere...but I didn't know they went through other sorts of records.I did notice that that so called "protection" of medical privacy and medical records thing that you sign...so they can't even talk to your relatives about your medical records...unless you specifically allow an individual to be told anything...actually does sign off permission for law enforcement, government and insurance people to look at them. It forbids everyone else, even your family, from asking anything about your health,...and actually gives those people, government, law enforcement, and insurance companies explicit permission to see it all.Of course, if you don't sign it, I guess they won't treat you.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:18:19 PT

RevRayGreen 
That was great! Wow!
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:12:59 PT

Hope
What I know around here if it's a pain clinic they are to try to help people cope with pain and don't want to ramp up more drugs since they are drug dependant. They are looking to help people balance drugs and pain because some people get strungout like I did. I don't know if that is what Runruff's clinic is but it sounds like a pain clinic. 
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 20:08:37 PT

Ekim
I read that awful story.Lovely government we have, heh? Prohibitionists are such decent people, too.That's a lie.Our government is heinous and prohibitionists are monsters.
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Comment #72 posted by RevRayGreen on November 04, 2007 at 20:05:16 PT

I interrupt this topic for a PSA
from The Individuals w/video by Rich Rawlings...look for the 1:15 minute mark....that's Pierre Werner of Las Vegas who currently resides in a state hotel for 12-36 months :(
Weed Helps
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 20:03:23 PT

ekim
Thank you. I didn't see the article but I was having computer trouble and missed a lot. My nephew was in the Army years ago but he is a contractor now. He has Muscular Dystrophy and still can work so he is trying to catch up on his bills. That's why he went. He has probably I'm guessing 2 more years until he won't be able to work.
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Comment #70 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 20:00:58 PT

Runruff
If a person agrees to the testing so that he can use the clinic and they test positive...what will happen?Are they refused treatment from then on? Are they referred to law enforcement?Law enforcement comes in and checks people's test results?A clinic? Not a hospital, but a clinic with various doctor's offices? A government clinic? 
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Comment #69 posted by ekim on November 04, 2007 at 19:56:42 PT

good going FoM
thank you for all your never ending effort.i seem to have heard that Drew Carey was a Marine.Sen. Grasley is pushing for 30% ethanol mix with gas
that is up from the current 10% now.did any one read that story i put up last week on the 2 Gull Lake teachers that grew cannabis for themselves at home and got ratted out. Just lost there jobs and the State of MI wants there house. With the teachers overseers now looken weather to take there lic to teach cause they are now fellons. that was a week ago sat -- i sent a lte that night and got a call from paper on thur but still no ltes on the matter.the story went on to say that both the two are married and have taught for 11 and 10 years. The Judge gave them six months probation. The DA said that was about right as it was first time offence.i have thought of contacting the Cris Dodd people and asking them to send the Sen over to Richland MI and look in to the two teachers story. I bet he could get a little air time out of the sick tale of cannabis prohibiton.like what would have happen if they had just bought it off the streetswill keep you posted
http://www.blog.leap.cc/
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:54:04 PT

whig
I really believe the Internet was created by hippies who wanted to have a say in this process. When a group of people are stifled they might become quiet but the dream never goes away and now we have the Net. It's amazing to me.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:50:48 PT

whig
Thank Mrs. Whig. She's a sweet lady.
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:49:40 PT

 fight_4_freedom 
I hope it goes well. Thank you.
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Comment #65 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 19:45:15 PT

nuevo mexican
There are those who would say that the blogs are already a sort of parallel government, and that this is what they ought to be as the fourth estate, also known as the free press.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:44:35 PT

nuevo mexican 
I was born in Winston Salem, New Carolina somewhere near 5 pm I think but I could be wrong on the time. 
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Comment #63 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 19:42:49 PT

FoM
I told her, and she said happy birthday to you too!
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Comment #62 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 04, 2007 at 19:42:18 PT:

mpp alert
Tomorrow: Massachusetts legislative hearing on whether to continue jailing marijuana usersDo you think Massachusetts should find better uses of your tax dollars than prosecuting and incarcerating adults for possessing small amounts of marijuana?
On Monday, the Joint Committee on Mental Health and Substance Abuse will hold a hearing on the issue. Please turn out to the hearing to support sensible marijuana policies.Where: Room A-2, Statehouse, Boston, MA 02133When: Monday, November 5, 1:00 p.m. (Please be prepared to devote several hours to the hearing because other bills could be called first.)What: Hearing on Senate Bill 1121, which would reduce the maximum penalty for possession of up to an ounce of marijuana from up to six months in jail, a $500 fine, or both to a $250 civil fine. (Please dress professionally.)Arresting and jailing adults for using marijuana has completely failed as a public policy. Despite more than 750,000 marijuana arrests annually, roughly 41% of Americans have tried marijuana. This massive policy failure hasn't come cheaply either. In addition to destroying otherwise law abiding citizens' lives, marijuana prohibition costs $7.7 billion each year, according to Harvard University professor Jeffrey Miron's report — endorsed by 500 economists, including Milton Friedman.This is an important opportunity to raise awareness of the need to reform Massachusetts' marijuana policies and show state legislators that Massachusetts voters are ready for a change. Another way you can help is to sign up to gather signatures to bring the issue to voters. The Committee for Sensible Marijuana Policy is collecting signatures for a November 2008 ballot measure that would change the penalty for up to an ounce of marijuana to a $100 fine. If you'd like to get involved, contact them at info sensiblemarijuanapolicy.org.Thank you for supporting the Marijuana Policy Project. Please pass this information on so that even more people can participate in reform.
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Comment #61 posted by nuevo mexican on November 04, 2007 at 19:40:18 PT

Happy Birthday FOM!
Looks like a great year ahead for you!(What time were you born and where, if you don't mind, the Moon went from Cancer (Stick) to Leo on 11/4/47, and I would think the Moon was in Cancer when you were born, since Stick is a Cancer , which is psychic, intuitive, and over-sensitive, like me). Though bold, strong, Leo is out front like you end up being, without really wanting to be! So we will see which one it is, and even your rising sign, if you want! It's been years since we looked at your chart!Two lucky 'Grand Trines' are taking place on your B-day, so that doubles your luck, and is a sign that you'll collect on your good karma throughout the next year, starting today!Grand Trines are when three planets align in a triangle which represents harmony in the spheres, as you harmonized with your two sisters! Awesome! And with TWO of them occuring today, that's six planets in harmony, the effects will last until your next birthday (when your next 'solar return' takes place!)Thus, your year gets locked into place by the planets positions on your b-day, like reading rings on a tree, with each ring reflecting the year of that trees life.So it's a last minute line-up, those trines (ease, reward, falling into place) when everything works out, at the last minute! So have faith, and you will be even more rewarded!(with less stress and more happiness)Two Grand Trines taking place on your birthday is 
like having two great insurance policies, that are paid up in advance! A double blessing! Cheers!Sweet! You do deserve such a rewarding b-day! My ex's was yesterday! She's the greatest, like you!And with 4 brothers and one sister, politics are huge in some families, especially with my Repug Bro, who I love, and only through his horoscope, do I understand him! What can you do?(he's delusional, like all bush bots, it's a Neptunian thing!)He just like me, yet just the opposite, maybe your sisters' are like that?I'm really happy for you and your sisters, I love mine, and it shows up in your stars today!Thanks for letting us in on your Birthday, I couldn't remember the exact date!
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:38:03 PT

whig
I forgot that. Please tell Mrs. Whig Happy Birthday from me.
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:36:43 PT

nuevo mexican 
You sure can check me off the list. What I do is hard enough for me! LOL! 
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Comment #58 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 19:33:54 PT

FoM
Happy birthday! It's Mrs. Whig's birthday too!
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 19:25:20 PT

Dankhank
Thank you. I really have been a rebel so I know that it's hard for them to understand me but we had a meeting of the minds and that was very special. My nephew will be home from Iraq the middle of December for a week or so and we will have a dinner with him and talk about life in Iraq. He can't leave the Marine Base he is on and they haven't been bombed for a number of months and not since he has been there but lots of visible damage and craters. He is fixing the air conditioning in the equipment. They come in all shot up and getting the air working is vital in that heat. He said the soldiers look very weary but they are appreciative when he gets the air fixed. 
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Comment #56 posted by Dankhank on November 04, 2007 at 19:10:08 PT

Happy birthday, FoM
what a great present to get ... happy day and many more ...
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Comment #55 posted by nuevo mexican on November 04, 2007 at 19:06:27 PT

Let's start our own Parallel Government......
using the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution as the basis!An old idea, yet worthy of consideration!Since these articles of faith for a democracy apparently have been destroyed by the duopoly known as the Republicrats, and we know how strong, durable, flexible, resilient, just and equitable they must be, (since the Neo-cons set out to eliminate them from the fabric of our lives), that's all we have to do)!Build a new government,from scratch, on the Internet, we all know who is and isn't qualified, select a new supreme court (if they can select a President, we can select a Supreme Court), replace Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Harry Reid, with FOM, Cindy Sheehan and whig.....heck, it doesn't even have to be anyone from this site, Cindy or anyone we currently know of.Though mayan should be in the Ministry of Truth whether he likes the idea, I nominate him, and observer, Stephen Colbert is thinking along these lines, and this is why the Dems wouldn't let him run in South Carolina. How about current and ex prisoners of the War on Drugs, faux terror, and anyone who's ever been tortured or involuntarily sent to war?Notice how Saturdays SNL and the MSM in general, have gone overboard in marginalizing Kucinich for this election even more than the last one, he is feared, more than Gore, whom I'd like to see pair up with Dennis, as would most progressives, IMHO.Dennis Kucinich-Democracy For America straw poll
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_
all&address=385x67067
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 18:32:35 PT

fight_4_freedom 
Thank you. I am 16 years younger then my oldest sister and 14 years younger then my other sister and I now am 60 but it beats the alternative I always say since we know that many people don't make it to 60. I was the rebel in the family. I always marched to a different beat and to have them understand and agree was really great. One lives in Baltimore and the other in my state. I haven't seen my older sister for 21 years because we just argue so this was really pleasant. It made me feel that finally I am ok in her eyes if that makes sense.
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Comment #53 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 04, 2007 at 18:17:49 PT:

Hap, Hap, Happy Birthday FOM
I'm glad you are feeling some unity with your sisters today on your birthday. It's always nice to have that bond with your loved ones. Once again, Happy Birthday!!!!
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 18:08:02 PT

whig
All these different terms don't register with me. I don't know one from the other. I look at a big picture like Nazi, Germany and then see thru my husband's eyes that mind set still is alive and involved. That's my connection and it really was an eye opener for me. On a good note I talked for quite awhile with both of my sisters today and I finally got to politics. They never think like me so when I asked my older sister who she was going to vote for I held my breath. She said not Hillary and I was so happy. Then I said who was she going to vote for and she is with me on that one and in a big way. I don't think we have ever agreed on anything as important as this in my life so I am thrilled. My other sister said not Hillary and she said    the same person as me. I felt for the first time ever that I connected with both of my sisters on one important issue and I will never forget it. Today was my birthday so that's why they called. What a wonderful day!
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 16:59:51 PT

Runruff...comment 31
Just when you think you've heard it all! "In order to use the new medical clinic new patients are required to sigh a contract agreeing to monthly pee testing for cannabis use."I'm dismayed. People who want to choose their own way, their own lifestyle, to consume what they want to consume, to be able to control their own bodies, are being forced to bow and kowtow to prohibitionists to get medical care? Prohibitionists, corporations, and government have set themselves up as nothing less than little false gods over other people lives. That is, without a doubt, what they are doing. If you don't bow to their wishes, you could die or suffer, and they tell you so, right up front. Bow to their wishes, to them, or suffer and die.Obey or die.What a choice.It's obscene. Completely obscene. Just think of all the things our government puts people through in the name of prohibition. Graft. The black market. Gangs. Cartels. Violence. All those things you mentioned. From window peeping, spying, covert operations and outright harassment and terrorizing. I read something yesterday of something horrible I hadn't thought of in a while... body cavity searches by law enforcement. Together with testing people's blood, hair cells, urine and saliva. People are hideous to other people in the name of their desire to control others and War on Drugs "contraband". We're not talking about stolen stuff. Finding stolen items. Finding weapons or nuclear weaponry or bombs. We're talking about finding out if you have "contraband" or have consumed "contraband".There is only way to end this terrible era of history. End the insanity, ignorance, and inhumanity of cannabis prohibition. 
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Comment #50 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 15:42:45 PT

Neoliberals
There's another side to this, which is that monarchism exists on the left as well as the right, and the proponents of the Clinton dynasty seem to be of this kind.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 15:36:30 PT

Neocons
I think the best definition is they are monarchists. They believe the president is a king, who is advised by the congress and does not have to follow their laws.
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Comment #48 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 15:33:39 PT

mayan
Ron Paul isn't a neocon. That's true.
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Comment #47 posted by mayan on November 04, 2007 at 15:25:43 PT

Neo-Cons
I'm just glad Ron Paul isn't one. I'll take an old-school, Goldwater paleo-con any day.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 15:18:32 PT

mayan
I don't know. All I know is it scared me.
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Comment #45 posted by mayan on November 04, 2007 at 15:07:14 PT

FoM
Assuming that man supports Ron Paul, does that mean Ron Paul is a racist? That's ironic since Ron Paul has more support among blacks than any other GOP candidate. On another note, maybe Fred Thompson's our man (Not!). He does seems awful sympathetic to drug dealers...Thompson Adviser Has Criminal Past:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/03/AR2007110301153.html?hpid=topnewsMusic to my ears...National Lawyers Guild Unanimously Passes Resolution on Impeachment of Bush and Cheney: 
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20071103104037177THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNsSn6D3CP4&eurl=http://911blogger.com/NFL great Mark Stepnoski talks about 9/11:
http://911blogger.com/node/12357Thom Hartmann to Host 9/11 Truth Debate on Air America: 
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20071102154606957Former high-level officials challenge the conventional explanation of how and why the Twin Towers came down:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__071103_former_high_level_of.htm911: MORAL COWARDS AND FBI ADMISSION:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd319.htmCOINTELPRO Redux: Global Order Targets the 9/11 Truth and Patriot Movements: 
http://infowars.com/articles/ps/cointel_pro_redux_global_order_targets_truth_movement.htm
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 15:05:04 PT

observer
I guess since I haven't followed how things became how they are I look at how people behave and that person was what bothered me. I know now by using google way more then I did before and it is scary.
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Comment #43 posted by observer on November 04, 2007 at 14:26:58 PT

Neo-Conned
Neocons scare me more then anyone knows. They are like what happened in Nazi, Germany.I agree, FoM. I and many others feel the Neocons and neo-conservatism are not what America is all about.Neo-Conned

... Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is “hard Wilsonianism.” In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.      More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss’ books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavelli’s philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss. Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.      The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare...

more: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm 

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Comment #42 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 13:21:16 PT

Dankhank
Neocons scare me more then anyone knows. They are like what happened in Nazi, Germany. I am really afraid I'll get yelled out for posting this but it really is upsetting to me so here goes.My husband and another trucker were heading to Chicago and stopped at this tiny truck stop in Indiana for a sandwich. It was almost empty and only a couple trucks were there and one flat black very rusty pickup. When they were walking in they saw that pickup had a RP sticker on the bumper. The friend asked him who he was and my husband told him. They went in and there was a total of 6 people in the restaurant. 4 truckers and a couple that were just people eating. My husband told me he had a shaved head and a long and skinny beard. That wasn't all and this is what got my husband and fellow trucker concerned. The man took his shirt off in the restaurant! Then they saw the swastika tattooed on his back. It took up his whole back. The friend said to my husband that guy is one of those white supremacist. They got done eating and got on their way real quick. Just thinking about it scares me and my husband is a strong fellow and so is his friend but it freaked them both out too.
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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on November 04, 2007 at 12:58:50 PT

UA .....
right ...I got that part of the story ...Your last comment juxtaposed VA and UA ... my bad ...When we got the Neocons, we also got the Neogestapo ...The DEA
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 12:57:11 PT

runruff
That clinic sounds almost like I would think a pain clinic is like. When I was needing higher doses of codeine for pain my doctor said that he would send me to a pain clinic to learn how to manage my pain. That is what helps addicts around here it seems. It controls the medicine they take closely so they don't go and do more drugs plus use the meds from the clinic. I quit drugs at that point or shortly thereafter and never needed to go.My husband has never been tested at the VA either.
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Comment #39 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 12:48:14 PT:

Dankhank
No I've nerver had to urine text at the VA. I'm talking about our locl community clinic that was mostly funded by federal money. They made a rule that in order to use the clinic you must urine test monthy.
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Comment #38 posted by Dankhank on November 04, 2007 at 12:39:16 PT

runruff
did I get it right?you must UA at the Veteran's clinic?
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Comment #37 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 12:34:44 PT:

whig
Great website. We both like it very much and thanks for the good advise.
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Comment #36 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 12:32:43 PT:

FoM
Yes I can get needed meds from VA. In order to use the clinic you must sign the contract and agree to urine test monthly whether you are prescribed drugs or not. You are not required to attend drug counselling, however, if you are not recieving a drug prescription.
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Comment #35 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 12:11:04 PT

remedy finder
You can put symptoms in here like "high blood pressure" and it can make suggestions based on your other symptoms.http://abchomeopathy.com/go.php
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 12:06:59 PT

runruff
If you need that other script can't you get it from the VA?
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 11:58:34 PT

runruff
To get your heart meds do they make you take a drug test? 
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Comment #32 posted by whig on November 04, 2007 at 11:54:27 PT

runruff
Have you ever considered homeopathic alternatives to xanax?
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Comment #31 posted by runruff on November 04, 2007 at 11:38:36 PT:

More DEA intrusion.
In our small community we finally were able to get a new Medical clinic. It's a nice facility but I just found out that most of the funding came from the feds. About 10 million dollars. Now I don't know how much you all know about the intensity of the war on cannabis here in So. Oregon but it is mostly all federal without much support from the community. The cannabis trade has been able to grow and florish more every year in spite of the federal efforts to wipe us out. During Bush and Reagan years this place looked like a war zone, literally. There were cammie dressed troops in the woods everywhere. Cobra helicopters in the air as thick as flies. In spite of a very intense propaganda campaign the people of this state we disgusted and outraged to be put in the middle of the ridiculous war on a plant which is how everyone saw it in spite of their best efforts to brainwash us into beleiving they were doing it to save our kids. They were caught peeping into bedrooms, backyard swimming pools, hovering over swimming holes on the river hanging out the open door gawking with binoculars , droping low enough to blow the roof off of plastic green houses and stampeeding live stock. All daily occurances. The community finally had enough and began to fight back. It took a few years to get things under controll but by reforming the asset forfiture laws and legalizing medical Cannabis and electing a sheriff who was willing to favor the will of the people instead of selling out to the feds for federal funding, things are going our way. We have beat them. But never to give up on power and profits they have found a backdoor into our community in order to push their adjunda. In order to use the new medical clinic new patients are required to sigh a contract agreeing to monthly pee testing for cannabis use. If prescribed a theraputic drug by a doctor you must agree to monthy drug counseling. I found out all this yesterday when I went in to have my heart meds refilled. One of my prescriptions is xanax for stress It helps keep my blood pressure down if I get stressed out. They wanted me to sigh up for the program or I couldn't get any xanax. If you have traces of thc in your urine you are bared from using the clinic. If you have traces of any drug not prescribed by the clinic you will be bared from using the clinic. My doctor said the DEA comes in once every month to go through the records She said it is so bad that she and the other doctors are frustrated because they can't even practice medicine the way the need to for the benefit of their patients. RIP Robin.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 11:29:50 PT

potpal
That's a good way of looking at it. I am doing a lot of reading on other sites of interest these days and it lifts my spirits alot. We all need to connect with people of like mind. I have a real hope for change and that's what keeps me going and smiling.
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Comment #29 posted by potpal on November 04, 2007 at 11:14:04 PT

police state of mind
slow day...no news is good newshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7077810.stm 
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Comment #28 posted by observer on November 04, 2007 at 11:00:57 PT

officials, authorities and experts 
Livingston, MT -- Three years ago, Montana voters decided by a 62 percent margin that marijuana should be available for medical purposes. No issue or candidate had received that sort of statewide endorsement for 25 years.So now it is the job of government officials, authorities and experts to hide that fact. Failing that, officials, authorities and experts will try to undo it. Pretend such a law was never passed. Or piously claim that some other branch of government dictates what they do: not the people some lowly voters. Heck, most government officials, authorities and experts are quite happy to jail those voters, or shoot them on the off chance they may be "perps". Especially when those perps happen to disagree with the officials, authorities and experts on use of the deadly evil illegal sure-fire psychosis-producing and immoral drug: marihuana. So my prediction is that such tiny cracks in the facade of prohibition will be greeted by police as a repudiation of all the pot-arrests officials, authorities and experts have been profiting from, all along. Such a medical MJ law says to cops and politicians, "You are wrong." They can't stand it. Officials, authorities and experts -- sensing they are being told they were and are wrong, their money from preying on drug-users and the taxpayer in the balance -- will fight to the death to retain their money and power. All the while, screaming they're just jailing potheads 'FOR THE CHILDREN!'Its an easy prediction to make, because that is what the prohibitionists have done in California. At some point they won't be able to scream their lies enough and close enough medical cannabis dispensaries down fast enough. Hallelujah. 
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 08:33:24 PT

Way Off Topic But Important
I was checking my bank account and saw this odd $10 charge in my statement. I didn't recognize it and the initials didn't help me know what it was about. I copied the info and put it in google and came up with this link. Some people have let this go for many months. I ordered FTD flowers for a funeral and that seems to be how they got in my account. Just passing it on so others don't get hit. I'm calling my bank tomorrow and will take care of it. Here's the link I found.http://leblog.exuberance.com/2006/03/why_does_wlisho.html
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 07:10:39 PT

Had Enough
No problem. I fixed it.
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Comment #25 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 07:04:41 PT

FoM
I’d really rather not trouble you, but can call you to my rescue to fix my last post?I wanted it to say we will ‘hang separately’… not ‘be hung separately.’I changed it right before I posted it, shoulda left it alone…It’s probably not a big deal to some, but I would like it changed, it’s just me, that’s all.Thanks

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Comment #24 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 06:49:38 PT

Hanging…
Hanging outHang tightHang looseHang, hanging, hung.Interesting words…You can hang out; you can hang loose, tight, or tough.One thing is for sure… If we don’t hang TOGETHER, we will hang separately…

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Comment #23 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 06:40:36 PT

Re: BGreen #19
“Let's never stop telling our friends and loved ones to "hang in there." Hang in there, CNews family. Don't let the bastards win.”I’m wichya man…

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Comment #22 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 05:29:53 PT

Just a Note
It looks like another day with nothing worth posting so far. I'll keep looking though. I hope everyone has a really good day.
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Comment #21 posted by BGreen on November 03, 2007 at 23:59:53 PT

When Runruff became a POW
There's no greater message we had for Runruff and Mrs. Runruff than to encourage them to "hang in there." My God, we were suffering for our suffering friends, and our human compassion inherently causes us to reach out with encouragement to emotionally and spiritually lift up those who are suffering.I can't imagine I'd ever want my loved ones to stop telling me to "hang in there." Not hearing it would just make it easier to give up the fight sooner.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #20 posted by afterburner on November 03, 2007 at 23:54:42 PT

Two out of Three Ain't Good Enough
1. If the American Taliban had their way: No skateboarding, no scootering, no rollerblading, and no bicycling. Because children could get injured, all these activities are too dangerous to allow. Therefore, no one should engage in them.Regulation solution: Helmets, pads and training.2. If the American Taliban had their way: No driving for anyone. Think of the message driving would send to the children.Regulation solution: Graduated licensing, age limits and training.3. The American Taliban do have their way: No cannabis use is allowed anywhere by anyone. Therefore, some of the supply is in the hands of criminals who do not care who they sell to. Use is unsupervised because it is illegal and underground. Prohibition means all use is unregulated with no quality control and with no age limits.Regulation solution: Legal access to cannabis for medicine (as 12 states have legislated and as the U.S. federal government allows to the survivors of the Compassionate Investigational New Drug (IND) program, administered by the (FDA) U.S. Food and Drug Administration);Legal access for meditation and spirtual development (as mandated by the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act); And legal access for safer recreation by adults (as legislated by an increasing number of cities) will keep children from using cannabis since they will be asked for ID by licensed vendors. Is it too much to ask for licensing, age limits and training?
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Comment #19 posted by BGreen on November 03, 2007 at 23:43:25 PT

There's a BIG difference
Nobody hates hearing "hang in there" from people that they care about, but hearing it from the people who won't allow you to have your medicine is like a big F___ YOU!Let's never stop telling our friends and loved ones to "hang in there."Hang in there, CNews family. Don't let the bastards win.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #18 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 23:34:02 PT

Hope, Max
You can't understand pain you haven't experienced. You don't "hang in there" when your pain is chronic, because it doesn't get better later -- it just gets worse.Don't be upset or blame yourselves for saying something that might have been a mistake, it's not why she left.She was in terrible untreated pain, and the government wouldn't let her treat it. What more can be said?
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Comment #17 posted by Max Flowers on November 03, 2007 at 23:16:51 PT

Regarding #12
I know Hope, I wrote it too... I didn't know she hated hearing it.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 18:37:47 PT

runruff 
I am still very upset about Robin's death. I think it's going to take me sometime to really get over it. When you went away it hit us hard and we worried about your health and I am so glad you are home now and safe. 
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 18:16:19 PT

Off Topic: New York Times
The War on Poppy Succeeds, but Cannabis Thrives in an Afghan Provincehttp://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/world/asia/04cannabis.html
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 14:37:20 PT

Christen-Mitchell
That's so good to hear, Christen-Mitchell. I'm very happy for you.
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Comment #13 posted by Christen-Mitchell on November 03, 2007 at 14:34:45 PT:

Modification Granted
This Thursday marked the day of the first legal joint of my life with 41 years of toking. After a four month delay from the DA's side of the bench, my pro se motion for modification of probation again saw a courtroom. For twenty minutes two P.O."s and a DA sought to present me as the sorriest human walking this planet. After my protestations the judge ruled that I wasn't on trial here and that the sore decider of medicinal marijuana usage is the recommending Doctor. Modification granted. Myself, I was very happy with the outcome, but what impressed me was seeing Justice, the Law without bias. Something I haven't seen much of for 41 years. An actual shock and awe that I will never forget.
Hemptopia - Reduce - Reuse - Recycle -Relegalize
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 14:34:17 PT

Also, another regret about MBC...
a personal regret, and she probably never even saw it...maybe, was that I said the very same thing to her, in a later comment, that she had said that she was so sick of hearing and couldn't do anymore. "Hang in there".How stupid was that? Very stupid, sadly. I'm ashamed.I guess I overlooked that, or didn't absorb the meaning of it thoroughly enough, and it's one of those things that comes quickly to mind and is easy to write and is so overused. I'll try not to say it to anyone else that's hurting like she was.Dang it!
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 14:27:47 PT

 MBC
Reading that post at http://cannabisnews.com/news/23/thread23408.shtml makes me realize, more and more, that that was a suicide note.I think she wanted everyone, not just us, to know how she was feeling.Maybe we should see if there is a way to post it to some of the sites that mentioned her passing, too.What do you guys think?Here's what she said."Comment #7 posted by mai_bong_city on October 15, 2007 at 08:43:03 PTendocannabinoids and mei just want to mention something that i have found about my own endocannabinoid system....i have both physical and mental illnesses, which i treat solely with cannabis and advil on occasion. they recently discovered a possible genetic anomaly that may be responsible for suicide - for a person's predispensity for the act, and as to who might be unduly affected by treatment with anti-depressants. my bipolar and suicidal ideation have been very effectively remitted with cannabis therapy - when nothing else had any benefit at all - or worse side-effects. when i do not have my medicine, the physical problems are of course severe - but they're severe most of the time anyway - what happens is that my mind is able to weather-through whereas, without cannabis, i have no.....hope, i guess. i think that, certainly in my case, cannabis prevents suicide. unfortunately, every effort to get access to medicine and change laws and every sacrifice still......i'm expected somehow to survive, hang in there, etc..... i simply can not. cannabis saves lives. without it, i'm dead. and that just should not happen. my life is not worth a few ounces of plant material from the earth? people should not have to claw their way across the ground for a few morsels of kindness, and of peace. someday, maybe they will find the correlation. and the thing they've never found before - along with many other cures that cannabis offers - the cure - to prevent suicide - is in this plant they've killed over. with all this insanity, i don't see the point in staying in such a world, anyway. i know the one truth. i can not stop the tears for the many they've harmed.....destroyed....brutalized. i can not stop the tears for what this world has become, and what we are doing to each other in the name of....what, exactly?peace be with you.mbc "
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 13:07:37 PT

Yes, Runruff.
She posted here as Mai_Bong_City, or more accurately, as mai_bong_city.We didnt' know she was Robin Prosser either for a few days. You likely remember Robin Prosser as the woman, a medicinal need person, who went on the long fast a few years ago to express dissent of the laws. She posted a distressing post to us here, in this thread, http://cannabisnews.com/news/23/thread23408.shtml ,a few days before we heard that Robin Prosser had committed suicide and then it took most of us a few more days, still, to realize that Robin Prosser was in fact our own Mai_Bong_City...or MBC for short. It is very sad. I for one am at my wit's end and feel like lashing out at everything that seems even slightly irritating and I'm sure a lot of reason for it is this sorrow over her decision, the hideous societal cruelty and injustice that led to it, and our loss.I believe that the majority of our cops are, indeed, these days, a horrible band of "hooligans". That's putting it mildly, though. They are so not about protecting the people anymore. They are about "getting" the people and being a terrorizing authority. We need certain authorities to do certain jobs, but, somewhere along the line, it seems, in this country, it became their job to terrorize the public into strict obedience to too many way overreaching laws. They turned into jack booted thugs. They were sick of being helpers and public servants and wanted to be warriors...real warriors, real kick-ass warriors...and, horrifically, that's what they did.They stomp over people's rights and dignity like they think it's their right...their job. Something got mixed up along the way to get to this point. Severely so. They, authorities, now a days, are, all too often, way too often, hateful and dangerous bullies.Authorities didn't used to scare or worry me. They didn't used to be a militarized and arrogant, dangerous threat to any and everybody. They are now.

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Comment #9 posted by runruff on November 03, 2007 at 12:13:26 PT:

Robin?
I just caught on to who Robin is. I feel a ball of lead in my stomach. She is yet another death for profits victum. The feds have become a hit spuad for corporate interest.
I wish you all could meet the DEA up close and personal. Without being victums of their gangland mentality of course. It's just that no one would believe that we have such band of hooligans out there in uniform attacking the American public. Picking us off one at a time. Then, get theis. The Feds get 3 billion a year earmarked for nothing but propaganda. So they can sell these creeps to the public as "good guys". I'm sorry about Robin. Heart broken. How many more of us will die in this war for profit before it' over?
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Comment #8 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 11:19:01 PT

paulpeterson
I'm studying wave-particle duality again, every particle is a wave, all energy is conserved, and information is conserved. MBC's energy and presence are eternally with us.
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Comment #7 posted by paulpeterson on November 03, 2007 at 10:55:36 PT

Too Bad Robin Couldn't Have Seen This Earlier
If this was a month and a half earlier, Robin Prosser might be with us right now.On the other hand, we have to thank her for all her work which paved the way for this improvement in supply and distribution. Maybe, in fact, her untimely demise was just the sort of infusion of necessity to make this a reality, in which we should all thank her again, for all she has done, and that's that.God speed, Robin Prosser, to your next fight for justice, in whichever realm you are sent as a tenacious fighter against deception and whatever wrongs become your next assignment. Please check in with us from time to time, if you will. Over and out. PAUL PETERSON
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Comment #6 posted by mykeyb420 on November 03, 2007 at 10:14:15 PT

kudos montana
Kudos to those BRAVE people of Montana,,they are doing what is the right thing to do. I bet ya that more and more people in the great state of montana will start living longer and better now that they have access to their meds. Just like here in SF, we smell the aroma of what FREEDOM is like. The whole USA should have it as well as we do. 
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Comment #5 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 03, 2007 at 09:23:30 PT:

afterburner: We have 17 more days to petition
We have are turning them into the state the 20th. I'm not really sure where we are as far as how many signatures we have, but I know we are close.We need 305,000 valid signatures at the end. At the 4 month mark I heard we had around 250,000 raw signatures.And unfortunately I'll be no help today. Some how I caught some kind of virus from somebody, and I just barely made it out of bed. That cold air is startin to take effect.As soon as I hear anything else about it I will certainly let you know.
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Comment #4 posted by afterburner on November 03, 2007 at 07:45:13 PT

fight_4_freedom
Any word on how Michigan's initiative by the Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care is progressing? How many more signatures are required? What is the deadline to get it on the November 2008 ballot?

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Comment #3 posted by Dankhank on November 02, 2007 at 14:21:43 PT

Drew Carey discussed ...
on CNN, soon ...
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Comment #2 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 02, 2007 at 13:01:34 PT:

Way to go Montana!!!!
It's good to see another medical state progressing. I'm sure Robin is smilin' down on Livingston for this.It's just too bad they didn't do this 6 months ago.
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Comment #1 posted by thestales on November 02, 2007 at 09:24:15 PT

Everyone is still lost
They know that marijuana can't cure severe illness, but say it can make it easier to tolerate.WHAT?These statements INFURIATE me especially coming from Medical cannabis patients. CANNABIS DOES CURE!! It truly CURES many ailments.These people REALLY need education.Oh well at least they are normalizing the cannabis clubs throught out the country. That is a great advance.
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