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  NORML's Weekly News Bulletin - November 1, 2007

Posted by CN Staff on November 01, 2007 at 12:35:39 PT
Weekly Press Release  
Source: NORML  

 Leading Democrat Presidential Candidates Reject Call To Decriminalize Pot November 1, 2007 - Philadelphia, PA, USAPhiladelphia, PA: Democrat Presidential frontrunners Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Barack Obama (D-IL), and former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) oppose federal marijuana decriminalization legislation that would ensure that Americans who use pot recreationally would no longer face arrest and imprisonment.
Appearing at this week’s Democrat Presidential debate at Drexel University, all three candidates indicated that they opposed decriminalizing the possession and use of marijuana for adults. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson – who approved statewide legislation earlier this year legalizing the use medicinal use of cannabis – also indicated his opposition to the enactment of broader decriminalization strategies. The decriminalization question – which prior to Tuesday’s debate had not been discussed by the candidates in a public forum – was submitted to MSNBC moderator Tim Russert by members of the Philadelphia chapter of NORML.Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) both indicated that they backed decriminalizing pot. "We're locking up too many people in our system here today," Dodd said. "We've got mandatory minimum sentences that are filling our jails with people who don't belong there. My idea is to decriminalize [marijuana], reduce that problem here. We've gone from 800,000 to 2 million people in our penal institutions in this country." Senator Dodd had previously stated that if elected President, "[He] would decriminalize … the statutes … that would incarcerate or severely penalize people for using marijuana." Representative Kucinich has said that he favors a national drug policy that treats adult marijuana use in a manner similar to alcohol. Each of the leading Democrat candidates have gone on record to voice their support for respecting the will of states to enact medical marijuana legislation, though only Richardson, Kucinich, and former US Sen. Mike Gravel (D-AK) – who was not present in Tuesday’s debate – have said that they support legalizing cannabis for medicinal purposes. For more information, please contact Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director, at (202) 483-5500 or Paul Armentano, NORML Senior Policy Analyst, at: paul norml.org Video of the candidates' exchange is available online at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3iuA7vrudA&NR=1Additional information on the Presidential candidates’ positions may be found online at: http://www.sendtherightmessage.com or http://www.granitestaters.comDL: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7411Britain: Pot Use Drops Following Drug’s Reclassification - Illicit drug use hits record low after cops cease arresting minor pot violators November 1, 2007 - London, UKLondon, United Kingdom: Self-reported cannabis use among Britons has declined sharply in the three years following the government’s decision to downgrade pot possession to a non-arrestable offense, according to figures compiled last week by the Home Office’s annual Crime Survey. The Home Office statistics show that marijuana use by young people age 16 to 24 has fallen approximately 20 percent since 2004. Overall, 21 percent of young people admit having tried pot, with eight percent of young people saying that they’ve used it in the past month. By contrast, more than twice this percentage of Americans age 18 to 25 say that they’ve used pot during the past 30 days, according to 2007 data reported by the US Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Association (SAMHSA).Among all age groups, only eight percent of Britons say they’ve used cannabis in the past year. Ten percent of the population said that they had used at least one illicit drug over the past year – the lowest percentage ever recorded by the British Crime Survey. In July, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called on lawmakers to increase marijuana penalties by rescheduling cannabis from a Class C to a Class B controlled substance. At that time, Brown claimed that downgrading pot’s legal status in 2004 had led to a significant increase in the drug’s use.Under reclassification, police have the discretion to verbally warn – rather than arrest – adults found with small amounts of pot. Since the enactment of the policy, police seizures of cannabis have increased sharply, though the total number of citizens’ arrested for pot-related violations has fallen. "A far smaller percentage of young people smoke cannabis in the United Kingdom than in America – despite Britain’s enactment of far more liberal pot policies," NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre said. "The Gordon Brown government would be taking a drastic step backwards by reverting to the sort of US-styled ‘Do drugs, do time’ mentality that has resulted in making America the world’s leader in illicit drug use and in the incarceration of its citizens for non-violent drug violations."For more information, please contact Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director, at (202) 483-5500 or Paul Armentano, NORML Senior Policy Analyst, at: paul norml.orgDL: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7410Source: NORML Foundation (DC)Published: November 1, 2007Copyright: 2007 NORML Contact: norml norml.org Website: http://www.norml.org/CannabisNews NORML Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/NORML.shtml 

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Comment #161 posted by aolbites on November 08, 2007 at 19:52:55 PT
....
 Eisenhower said: "Without exhaustive debate, even heated debate, of ideas and programs, free government would weaken and wither. But if we allow ourselves to be persuaded that every individual or party that takes issue with our own convictions is necessarily wicked or treasonous, then, indeed, we are approaching the end of freedom's road."
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Comment #159 posted by rchandar on November 04, 2007 at 20:07:04 PT:

museman
Thanks. I'm glad to see you could put it in such terms, rally the faithful so well.
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Comment #158 posted by FoM on November 04, 2007 at 10:05:40 PT

Stephen Colbert
Since I don't watch his program I don't know if this was a publicity stunt or is he serious. I don't know. 
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Comment #157 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 09:55:52 PT

Stephen Colbert
I read yesterday that his home state, South Carolina, I believe, even after he paid the required fee, refused to allow him entrance to the race.
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Comment #156 posted by Hope on November 04, 2007 at 09:54:03 PT

Ah...Thank you, Had Enough
An old theme song of mine, that I shall gladly and thankfully take to heart again. Timeless. Beautiful."Take it eeeasy."But, of course, we will win...ultimately and eventually.Breathing the air freedom. It will be lovely. Freedom and liberty and hope will start to mean something again on that glad day. Godspeed the day of that hope realized. Godspeed the day!
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Comment #154 posted by josephlacerenza on November 04, 2007 at 09:48:46 PT

Lt Us Know More About Our Candidates for President
I would like to mention a web site i have been on recently. www.opensecrets.org this site outlines contributions to each of the running candidates. I think Stephen Colbert is the way to go in this nonsense election cycle!!!! Go Stephen!!!
http://www.opensecrets.org
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Comment #153 posted by afterburner on November 04, 2007 at 08:41:35 PT

Weird Thoughts 
IMO, as long as governments and the media perpetuate their propaganda claiming that cannabis in all its forms and uses is dangerous and illegal, we will all be in chains, under the government jackboot, in danger of losing our lives, our families, our jobs, our properties at the whim of some neighborhood busybody or vindictive law enforcement agent. Freedom, that's what we want!CN ON: PUB LTE: Pot Business Big Business, Standard Freeholder, (01 Nov 2007) Russell Barth
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1271/a09.html?176Excerpt: "Keep prohibition alive! Keep Cornwall employed!"Is he serious? I hear many people voicing this sentiment of late. To me that is a suicidal selfish view that plays into the hands of the hard-liners. They tried to shut us down and shut us up before under Reagan-Bush-Clinton. Don't let them win. Don't let them kill the laughter. Don't let them roll back the progress we've made so far especially for the medical cannabis patients. Won't back down!Or is Russell Barth being sarcastic? Unfortunately, sarcasm often does not come across well in print.CN SN: Marijuana Comments Raise Concerns, Prince Albert Daily Herald, (02 Nov 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1270/a05.html?176Excerpt:
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The Saskatchewan Party is raising questions about comments made by an NDP candidate during a recent students' forum at Carlton School. During the question and answer part of the forum on Nov. 1, a student asked Chad Nilson about legalizing marijuana. Nilson responded that because that issue falls under federal jurisdiction, students should lobby their MP if they want marijuana legalized. Saskatchewan Party candidates Darryl Hickie and Kevin Shiach said they have received phone calls from parents concerned that Nilson was advocating legalization. "I was very concerned that he made a comment about legalizing marijuana," said Hickie, adding he was worried as a police officer and as a parent. 
}The police trying to make the laws again and attempting to stifle political dissent. The fact that the debate was at a school raises parents' fears, "Think about the children." The grade level of the school is not specified. Elementary, middle school or junior high would be inappropriate for such political debate. College would be an appropriate forum. What about high school?
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Comment #152 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 06:11:09 PT

#150 Should have looked like this. Kinda...
We will…We may lose and we may win, though we will never be here againTake it easy, take it easy Don't let the sound of your own wheels make you crazy…***********Take It Easy - The Eagleshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbzB-GTYT0Older version This is from th BBC Concert in 1973.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd9WBhum_ocLyricshttp://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/takeiteasy.html

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Comment #151 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 05:46:59 PT

Time Spirit/Ghost
For Inquiring mindshttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/

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Comment #150 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 05:46:54 PT

We will…
We may lose and we may win though we will never be here againTake it easy, take it easy don't let the sound of your own wheels make you crazy***********Take It Easy - The Eagleshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbzB-GTYT0Older version This is from th BBC Concert in 1973.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd9WBhum_ocLyricshttp://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/takeiteasy.html
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Comment #149 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2007 at 05:46:48 PT

It’s true…
Give just a little bit moreTake a little bit lessFrom each other tonightAdmit what you're feelingAnd see what's in front of you,It's never out of your sight.You know it's true,We all know that it's true.************Moody Blues - Never Comes The Day (1970)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzRdyC0abALyricshttp://www.lyricstime.com/moody-blues-never-comes-the-day-lyrics.html

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Comment #148 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 20:59:11 PT

Museman
It's good to see you and it's good to see you weigh in. I like getting your perspective on things.
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Comment #147 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 18:58:55 PT

Rchandar Comment 140
Thank you.I needed that.
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Comment #146 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 17:41:42 PT

museman
I found this on the Rust List. It's a CNN interview with Neil.http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2007/11/02/quan.soundcheck.neil.young.cnn
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Comment #145 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 17:36:02 PT

museman
Yes Sir!
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Comment #144 posted by museman on November 03, 2007 at 17:27:41 PT

FoM
"...keeps me searchin' and I'm gettin' old." 
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Comment #143 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 17:10:58 PT

museman
We are watching Heart of Gold on Showtime and Neil is singing Heart of Gold. Neil's music just has a way of putting things in a proper order for me. 
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Comment #142 posted by FoM on November 03, 2007 at 16:47:25 PT

museman
I appreciate what you said. I can't quit until I know that I am not suppose to this anymore. I also question the future. All we can offer is band aids now but we can try to help people one on one and be a good neighbor. If everyone was good to those who live near them that would be a good beginning. It might not stop anything but it might make it more pleasant for a time.You're very special.
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Comment #141 posted by museman on November 03, 2007 at 16:22:10 PT

weighing in...
As I read through this thread, I see a lot of frustration. I also identify with most of it.There is a struggle for focus, and a great attatchment (it seems) to personal prespectives of 'how it is' and 'how it should be.'On the one hand we see how this struggle that we are all involved in -specificly concerning cannabis prohibition- seems to be holding on despite all the ill winds that are attempting to blow us off course. We tell ourselves that eventually we will win. It's a safe prediction. We WILL win eventually, however that 'eventually' breaks down to entire lifetimes, and does absolutely nothing for the moment other than offer hope.On the other hand, with the current political debacle taking place -an immediate source of both terror and hope- it's hard to seperate the importance of political ascendancy, and the effort to abolish past political error and mistake -as in prohibition.I don't think that there is a seperation. I think that the political choices being 'offered' to us epitomize the situation. There is a game going on. It is a game of power, control, conquest, and aquisition. Past players in that game have initiated the parameters of play , the 'rules' of the game. Only the players themselves have any access to the tokens on the board, and control of the dice.We are all inexhorably bound up in that game, but we do not get to play unless we join the players in their exclusive club. The idea that our little play-act of 'the vote' has any real effect on either the established rules of the game, the parameters of play, or who gets to play is just plain ludicrous.All my life I have witnessed the political phenomenon of our so-called electoral 'choices' and am here to report most emphaticly that there has never been a choice, except the familiar 'lesser of two evils scenario' become so evident in recent years. (You cannot tell me that the so-called alternatives in recent years, like Nader for example, are any different. If there had ever been a chance in hell of their success, I would acknowledge it otherwise.)The idea that this infantile popularity contest called the 'choosing of the candidates' is anything other than a well orchestrated distraction from the fact that we have all been nose-ringed and led to believe that political hot-air and rhetoric is some kind of higher consciousness or something, when it is actually nothing more than sophisticated lies and deliberate shallow thinking, is an idea whose time is coming to an end. However, the many political 'attitudes' prevalent in this thread highlight and underscore the fact that the powers still hold their illusions solidly in front of reality and the truth, and all the politics and attitude are really just all about which suit of invisible clothings is going to get the largest 'vote.'Cannabis prohibition is a crux issue. It is the poster child of our personal liberty. All roads of freedom lead to cannabis. Any political road that does not include cannabis at the top of the list of concern is just more of the same old same old.It amazes me how much we are willing to compromise for a few straws of hope, when we have had the power all along to grant us and this planet an incredible amount of much more. We have been bred to be lazy people, always looking for someone to do our 'dirty work' for us, someone to take responsibility so we can go on about our daily gluttonies and self-satisfying efforts of insuring our own comfort and 'happiness' - no matter how much suffering is the consequence.Cannabis, and all the wonderful things that can and do come from it is a REAL thing. It is an actual living plant that does not have to be modified, refined, chemcily altered or derived in order to get the many benefits that can come from it's wise and benevolent use. Politicians, their posturings, many, many repetitions of UNREALITY in respect to their actaul value and substance, are not REAL. Elections are not REAL. We do not have a democracy, or even a 'democratic form of government' (as they are wont to attempt to pound into our collective skulls) ...not one of them truly represents any interests outside of Bohemian Grove, and the many schemes of conquest talked about in the elite bankers boardrooms.The truth has been revealed, from the ancient conspiracies of the Power Elite Royal Nephalim, to modern fascist undertakings such as Bush, Bush, and Bush. The facts about 9/11 are overwhwelming, yet most Americans still cling to the propaganda that they are most comfortable with, and continue to support 'business as usual' even though that business is as nasty and evil as it ever was, and more so, because they are so confident in American consumerism that they aren't even bothering to hide the facts any more.I have personal opinions about the candidates. There are some good words that have been spoken by a handful, and in a world that was not bought, sold, packaged, and delivered each day by diesel or gasoline, tributes not paid in the form of falsely worshipped graven images and symbols of power, and slavery was truly banned from the planet, some of those pretenders might get a lot of support from me, because I liked their WORDS. Deeds however don't seem to weigh much in comparison. The actual destruction of all life as we know it being carried out at the stroke of executive pens whose wielders sit in corrupted seats of power are deeds that -for some reason that really escapes me- are being completely ignored for the pleasant sounding words that offer straws of false hope out of the mouths of these minions of hell that are posing as our leaders.I don't think that most Amnericans really care all that much about much more than the price of gas, and ways to expand their credit, so they can get in the game with 'the big boys.'The only ones who care are those who have had to experience the harsh reality on the other side of 'the american dream,' those who have sat in jail and prison for not selling their souls and integrity, those who have suffered at the literal heel of 'law enforcement.' those who have had to suffer the BS social/economic stigma of relying on table scraps of the rich (the welfare foodstamps), who have had to eat crap because they could not afford real food, who have had to suffer debiliting ineffective 'medical treatment' at the hands of incompetent doctors who are more concerned about lawsuits than health, who have had to live lives in poverty and sell the time of their lives for pennies as the SUVs and Limos drive by. And the list goes on and on.These people have been adjusted to reality. Because of an education system that teaches willing bondage and slavery, instead of knowledge, and wisdom, not everyone who has to experience these unwanted, and undesired conditions on a daily basis really understands all that is going on, so they have no voice, just deep anger and frustration. Many allow thier spirits to be cowed by the false precepts of religion that equate 'goodness' to serving the system unquestioningly, and through group psychosis invent false conditions of small-minded cyclical logic that are referred to as 'happiness.'It is an ancient, well entangled weave. A tapestry of lies and dementia that nearly blankets our entire collective history to the point that our very genetics are confused and lost.The solutions have always been here, but no individual, or group can hope to accomplish them, because they always travel the same stupid roads, over and over, and it's always about who is more important, more 'valuable,' more right, more popular, or 'better than.'The truth has never been popular. The truth has never been 'mainstream.' The truth has never belonged to any select person or group of persons. The truth cannot be weighed, packaged, or bought and sold. Quite often just the mere knowledge and possession of the truth can be a fatal human condition. Certainly in these days, the truth can make many people uncomfortable. Yet without the truth, all of these things that we go on and on about, amount to nothing more than the same hot-air and rhetoric that is heard from the mouths of beasts parading as humans, and 'special humans' at that.I personally don't hold out any hope for our future as long as we continue to collectively support the very things that are destroying it. I'd like to, but I don't find solutions in false hopes, only in direct actions and challeges to the problems.We are in planetary distress. Think about it. Every action on this planet has an effect on everything on it. We are collectively scared shitless at this point, and even the most centered of us are being affected.We really do need to find REAL ways to positively effect the outcome that go way beyond the current band-aid mentality. It's a gaping wound, and the system in place hasn't got the wherewithal to really do anything, so why keep wasting time pretending that it does? Nope it's going to have to be something new and untried, because the old just ain't gonna make it.Of course I don't believe that there is enough time left to educate the entire population of planet earth-in time to save what we have- but only through adhering to, and abiding in the truth in EVERY LAST UNCOMFORTABLE DETAIL is anything but a remnant going to survive.Why should I care? What's MY agenda? Why am I such a 'pessimist?' I tried the band aids. They don't even stick these days.I got kids. One grandchild. I have this crazy idea that somehow they might have a future in all this. But then I go outside and see the never-ending traffic - "...everyone goin' nowhere, just as fast as they can..."FoM, you are to be commended. I understand exactly what is in your heart. If you gave it up tomorrow you would still deserve the prize.peace
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Comment #140 posted by rchandar on November 03, 2007 at 16:12:41 PT:

Re:All Comments
I think we've to return to fundamentals--specifically, how "knowledge" is packaged and sold to people without time or imagination or even knowledge to support much of what is being said without it being broken down to the reasoning of belligerent children. The problem is, as far as I can see: many people today accept as unmistakable "truth" that drugs are "bad", that they're "destructive", that they "kill children". So here are our unquestioned value presets; we may re-examine them, present research to the counter, and argue for legalization, the truth is that for many people it is "unthinkable." Some of these people smoke cannabis, but wouldn't dare put together the concepts that arise when they smoke, because they're afraid. "Power" is active in prohibition; a father of five, a teenager writing applications to college, acquires "power" in the community by accepting and preaching these value-judgments. When you can see $$$ at the end of the equation, the "truth" of knowledge matters little; I feel, in this way, America is becoming less and less educated, less knowledgeable, and dependent upon the jingoistic thinking of a few people to order all their thoughts and objectives.Smokers can get by and derive meaning from a world in which there's no legal protection, but run into a brick wall when it comes to making those truths "work". Books and media that critique prohibition are very helpful, especially those that target issues with excessive uses of force and families being ripped apart by "good" citizens. To suppose the government over the family was a tour de force for the Reagan Administration; no one saw it coming. Probably there are few people today that recognize cannabis's use as a traditional sacrament; they are "wierd" people with strange beliefs, it can't be incorporated easily into a world ruled by football, soap operas, and MTV logic.Thinking. The anti-Drug War.
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Comment #139 posted by Richard Zuckerman on November 03, 2007 at 13:41:07 PT:

BILDERBERG B**** "BILLARY" CLINTON
U.S. Senator Hillary "Billary" Clinton is a Bilderberg. It is no wander she opposes Pot legalization!U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein is a Trilateralist and member of the Council On Foreign Relations.IF YOU PEOPLE VOTE FOR CLINTON AND FEINSTEIN MERELY BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN, THEN YOU ARE GIVING AWAY THIS COUNTRY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM SUPPORT AMNESTY AND THE "NORTH AMERICAN UNION"!!!!
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Comment #138 posted by Mike on November 03, 2007 at 12:59:58 PT

More like..
Cannabis is *illegal* because the laws against it are unconstitutional/illegal laws themselves.It's not legal. But its certainly not wrong either.Personally I don't abide by illegal laws. I choose to live my life in relative (unfortunately isolative) freedom. But unless things change we shouldn't be surprised if someday the gestapo, I mean homeland security & DEA crashes down our doors and hauls us "away" for even posting here. After all, aren't they trying to equate cannabis with terrorism? The government apparently now gets to define who terrorists are, and how to ruthlessly deal with them and other dissenters. Scary indeed.
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Comment #137 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 12:43:51 PT

Thank you, Whig.
I agree completely with your comment 136.Also, I very much agree that "we have to end this stupid and unconstitutional prohibition".Very much.If we could take your stance and get anything but more trouble with it...I'd use it and recommend it. But it seems taking it to the people, to the vote, to the courts, to the legislators is the only thing that might help...and I'm not at all sure they'd listen.They are traitors in that they obviously, don't respect our constitution in the least. They have made laws that bind us that they had no business making...now we have to fight and work to undo their traitorous mess. 
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Comment #136 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 12:25:11 PT

Hope
We have to stop the illegal incarceration of our brothers and sisters who are jailed for possessing or using a plant they have every human right to.
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Comment #135 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 12:24:08 PT

Hope
I'm not saying we don't have to do anything, we have to end this stupid and unconstitutional prohibition.
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Comment #134 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 12:14:12 PT

Hope
If you don't believe in my legal stance, you should not use it.
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Comment #133 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 12:12:54 PT

Hope
I'll stop since you asked, but it is equally discouraging to me when people say that cannabis is illegal when it is not constitutionally prohibited.
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Comment #132 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 12:05:05 PT

You think lawyers should use it?
You think they would?How would it hold up in court?It wouldn't.And to say we don't have to do anything about it is self defeating and distressing.So I'm asking you to stop it, unless you can point out a way to turn it into something substantial and constructive towards ending the persecutions we are fighting.You discourage me, Whig. I don't need any more discouragement than I already have.
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Comment #131 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 11:58:39 PT

Hope
If you don't know your legal stance, and you don't believe cannabis is legal, you'd best plead guilty like the public defender tells you.
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Comment #130 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 11:56:47 PT

Hope
It is a legal stance. Whether you get a cop to obey the law is another matter.
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Comment #129 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 11:43:30 PT

What good is understanding that
"they have no authority", when they drag you off to prison like they did Runruff and so many others.What is the point of your point? 
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Comment #128 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 11:41:20 PT

Whig...
Perhaps we need to change our stance to getting law enforcement and legislators to recognize your point of view.How do you propose we do that? Are we to just fold our hands and say, "It's legal". How is that going to protect anyone? Are you saying no one needs protection from the prohibitionist's point of view? How do you propose to get government and it's agents to recognize and honor what you are saying?
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Comment #127 posted by whig on November 03, 2007 at 10:22:50 PT

Hope
I keep saying it because you and others keep saying that cannabis needs to be legalized.Cannabis doesn't need to be legalized, because it is legal, because there it is unconstitutional to prohibit a sacred plant, because it is a human right to use needed medicine, because there is no authority to prohibit beyond regulating commerce among the several states, because it is a genocidal crime against nature to prohibit a species, I could go on.If we buy into their authority and reasoning, that it is up to them whether or not to make cannabis legal, and they refuse to do so, then you lose. If you understand that they have no authority to refuse, and tell them so, then it doesn't matter if they refuse, unless they show authority.
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Comment #126 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 08:57:24 PT

Anybody else get that stupid e-mail
attacking Obama about, purportedly, the pledge of allegiance?I copied this, url and pictures, too...and sent it back to everyone that sent the original attack e-mail, asking them to "Please forward this to everyone"...Aaargh. I despise stuff like that.http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/obama_nabbed_by_the_patriotic.html
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Comment #125 posted by afterburner on November 03, 2007 at 08:11:03 PT

Some Cool Canadian Air
CN SN: PUB LTE: Party Leaders' Drug Stance Embarrassingly, The StarPhoenix, (02 Nov 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1268/a02.html?176CN BC: Edu: Let's Rethink Drug Discourse, Martlet, (01 Nov 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1266/a03.html?176CN ON: Edu: Politicians And Professors Debate National Drug, The Fulcrum, (31 Oct 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1264/a06.html?176CN BC: Suspended Driver Sues, The Province, (01 Nov 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1263/a03.html?176
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Comment #124 posted by mayan on November 03, 2007 at 06:40:38 PT

Hmmm...
DHS Relaxes Chemical Plant Storage Rules:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201880.htmlVery strange.
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Comment #123 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 05:42:38 PT

"The prohibition is unconstitutional."
Yes it is, to any right thinking person.But the Supreme Court evens says that governments have the right to make it illegal... so it is.We have to fight back and stop the creeps and psuedo-emperors from ignoring and destroying our constitution.They are doing it and just saying they're doing it and not forcing them to stop isn't doing anyone or anything any good.How is saying what you're saying doing any good unless there is some action or at least some suggested action.If you are suggesting an action....why be vague about it. Vagueness and ephemeral pronouncements and announcements won't accomplish anything but confusion and more despair.
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Comment #122 posted by Hope on November 03, 2007 at 05:35:22 PT

Whig
Perhaps you should explain to me why you keep saying that, that way.You're perhaps thinking something that isn't exactly all that clear and apparent to the rest of the world.What is your purpose in saying that at this point? Is it a "Get what you say" thing?People are being jailed, robbed, intimidated, prosecuted, and persecuted because of the very real enforcement of these very real, although wrong, and perhaps, even illegal, laws. Are you saying we should quit trying? Just what exactly are you trying to say when you say that? Don't you realize that you could confuse and endanger a naive person or make people think you've lost your own grip on what is really going on?What is the point of what you are saying? 

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Comment #121 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 21:24:02 PT

Hope
I'll say it again because nobody's told me to stop saying it. Cannabis doesn't need to be legalized. Cannabis is legal. The prohibition is unconstitutional.
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Comment #120 posted by Dankhank on November 02, 2007 at 21:10:25 PT

voting ...
Mikea laudable sentiment ...here in the great state of Okie Dokie ... it's nearly impossible to get a third party on the ballot ... Nader was not on in 2000, and no third parties in 2004 ...and the kicker is there isn't a write-in available on the ballot.so it's pretty cut and dried here.
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Comment #119 posted by Hope on November 02, 2007 at 20:54:23 PT

Very, very good...about signals and messages
Arresting Marijuana Users Sends the Wrong Message to ChildrenStoptheDrugWar.orghttp://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2007/nov/01/arresting_marijuana_users_sends_
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Comment #118 posted by Hope on November 02, 2007 at 20:16:58 PT

Why not pump up the idea of legalizing marijuana?
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/A_OPINION0619/710310317/-1/A_OPINION06
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Comment #117 posted by Taylor121 on November 02, 2007 at 20:12:55 PT

Maybe just maybe...
I mean look, it really hurt when I heard Hillary and Obama say that they were against decrim (I wasn't terribly surprised either).Decriminalization almost carries a stigma similarly to how legalization does. It would be interesting to hear what they would have said if the question was "Do you support fining rather than arresting and incarcerating citizens for small amounts of marijuana?"It's the same thing with the legalize word. People picture legalization as a free for all. That's why the MPP uses "tax and regulate" to describe the policy, simply because it's more accurate. Decrim sounds like no penalty, when in marijuana reform circles it means a fine-only offense.The language should reflect the policy. Anyways maybe they really believe cannabis users should be in jail, I'm not sure. I'm willing to trust a Democratic front runner with the issue more than I would a Republican front runner, and like FoM pointed out, at least the Dems are for medical marijuana.I mean think about that alone. If a Democrat takes the white house, the medical marijuana raids will stop so long as they keep their word, and states will be more open to the possibility of passing legislation. Who knows, maybe marijuana will be moved to schedule 2 or 3 and we will have Federal medical marijuana in pharmacies.
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Comment #116 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 20:03:06 PT

Oops!
LOL I meant Obama! (It really was an honest mistake!) Argh! Sorry.Dank - I would vote Libertarian before any Republican frontrunners if Hillary got the nomination. 
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Comment #115 posted by Dankhank on November 02, 2007 at 18:42:43 PT

party vote ...
NOTHING that has been done in this country under the aegis of the Republican party is considered, by me, to be noteworthy in any way save as a blueprint for disaster.To consider voting for a Republican, no matter WHO he is, I would have to have a gun to my head and that might not be enough.With a maniac in charge and sycophants following his every lead we see what can happen ...With a sane man in charge ... and the same venal sycophants milling about, tell me what you think can be done that the sycophants will allow?I harbor no illusions that ANY Republican can stop the madness. The "best" repug is a single-issue candidate in here. The worst Dem is still salvageable by an active following, sycophants too, perhaps, but no group of individuals have ever sunk as low as the latest group of "compassionate conservatives, and I will not encourage them by voting for them.I do not know who will get the nominations, but I know this ... I will not vote for Repugs. 
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Comment #114 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 18:22:20 PT

Mike
I'm sure you knew you spelled his name wrong but who will you vote for between Rudy and Romney?
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Comment #113 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 18:18:52 PT

fight_4_freedom 
Thank you for the video. I only now got to see it. 
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Comment #112 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 17:57:49 PT

whig
I never said anyone here right now is supporting Hillary. However, there are people who would vote for her for no reason other than party affiliation if she got the nomination. I'm saying its better to vote per the candidate before some party label. But hopefully it will be Osama, because I could never (and will never) vote for her.
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Comment #111 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 16:40:43 PT

Mike
I don't know anyone here who is supporting Hillary Clinton for president.
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Comment #110 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 16:38:36 PT

Mike
That made me happy. Thank you.Dankhank we had company and I haven't had the news on. Maybe it didn't play for me because lots of people were trying to watch it. If I wait a couple days it should slow down.
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Comment #109 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 14:38:24 PT

FoM
What choice do we have? I'll take Obama any day over the rest of the front runners. I'll give him a chance. And as strange as it may seem coming from me, there IS something I like about him. As you said. One step at a time. We shall see.

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Comment #108 posted by Dankhank on November 02, 2007 at 14:20:21 PT

OT... on CNN
Drew Carry is discussed, soon, on CNN re: Medical Marijuana.If you haven't seen the reason.tv bit there'll be a chance to see a bit, likely, soon ...
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Comment #107 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 14:09:13 PT

Mike
I try to look at the big picture. Democrats have been way more inclined to listen when it comes to medical marijuana then Republicans. That is a step forward. I don't expect everything to get accomplished that different people want but a little at this point is better then nothing.
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Comment #106 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 13:59:19 PT

Look..
I don't care if anyone votes for Ron Paul or not. He doesn't have the time nor numbers needed to win the nomination anyway. My point in that regard is that it FRIES me that people think there's that much of a difference between Republicans and Democrats. It's all about power. And Hillary would be every bit as bad as Bush. I think finally people are beginning to see that.The public sure has a bad memory when it comes to politicians. It's the same crap every election. Johnson - Nixon - (Ford was never elected) - Carter - Reagan - Bush - Clinton - Another Bush. Every election is made on promises broken. Has *nobody* a memory?! Unbelievable.The thing I say is that if we want to effect any change in domestic drug policy, we're going to have to elect someone who isn't scared about telling it like it is, instead of pandering to get the most votes as possible. Republican or Democrat. Unfortunately people who are straight-up about their beliefs will never get elected, because it's all about side-stepping issues in order to get votes, and then doing whatever they please. It's all a big game, and people who think voting per either party is going to make a difference - are simply pawns.
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Comment #105 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 12:41:17 PT

Off Topic
Bush Vetoes $23-Billion Water Billhttp://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-water3nov03,0,6810076.story?coll=la-home-center
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 12:33:36 PT

rchandar 
I'd walk hand in hand with you anyday. Hang in there.
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Comment #103 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 12:31:30 PT

rchandar
Be careful you don't make self-fulfilling prophecies. It is better to plan for the worst and hope for the best and work to prevent the harm from coming that can be avoided.
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Comment #102 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 12:29:21 PT

rchandar
We have the benefit of history to learn from, and hopefully stop this from happening. We also have our friends the Europeans who we helped with their fascists a while back. Donald Rumsfeld had to flee France to avoid arrest a few days ago.
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Comment #101 posted by rchandar on November 02, 2007 at 12:25:32 PT:

FoM
If this was Germany 70 years ago, I would be a Jew.If this was America two hundred years ago, I would be a "nigger".If this was fifteen years ago, I would be an ethnic Albanian.And if this was today, my brothers and sisters are in Darfur, Kurdistan, and yes, the USA.And if this was India in the time of Gandhi, I too would receive the policeman's baton, and bleed, and breathe my last.And so are all of you. All of you.rchandar
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 12:24:41 PT

rchandar 
I also fear what would happen.
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Comment #99 posted by rchandar on November 02, 2007 at 12:22:35 PT:

FoM
We will be murdered, like little scurvy dogs. If there was a CrystalNacht in Germany, I expect it to happen soon to us if things don't change and the GOP isn't booted out of office.The young are being indoctrinated in a sinister manner. "Toughness" doesn't mean sobriety, it means screwing everyone else over--your teacher, your father and mother, your friend--anything that will get you the gold and make you look good. The young will rise against the old and MURDER them, laughing while they breathe their last. I wish to entreat to all of you the seriousness of this matter. Cannabis legalization is important, but it isn't the ONLY thing. It is US against THEM. They have calculated an easy victory and MILLIONS of US will be MURDERED.
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 12:20:48 PT

rchandar 
I won't survive another Republican term either. It will be over and what was a country that I loved will become a country of haters that rule us. It is more then sad to me.
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Comment #97 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 12:16:08 PT

rchandar
How about we change their minds. The Democratic convention is in Denver.
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Comment #96 posted by rchandar on November 02, 2007 at 12:12:43 PT:

FoM
FoM, there's not really any "getting prepared" for anything. That Obama and Hillary blew us off is terrible, but unfortunately the choice is the lesser of two evils.I live in Edinburg. I don't like it at all. It's a town of Christian conservatism--in my father's words, "4th century backwardness". The true PATH of a MODERN CIVILIZATION means more rights and more protection for the weak, the oppressed, the sick. Electing another Republican isn't just bad--it's CATASTROPHE for MILLIONS OF US. We will be IMPRISONED, we WILL DIE. We are HUMAN BEINGS and it's just not right to think (I'm not saying you are) that dropping the weed issue is an EXCUSE to pan these people. UNFORTUNATELY, there isn't much choice in the matter, if AMERICA is to GO FORWARD.I see it every day on campus--conservative, Catholic, Republican. It favors the people who for whatever reason are "popular" and savages those who are introspective and have their own views on life and friendship. They abuse us LIKE BEASTS. The cops look at you as a CRIMINAL even when you aren't using anything. If the Republicans win, it means big dicks and small brains, for everyone.We CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, CANNABIS OR NOT. We are POISONING THE MINDS OF OUR YOUNG for some SPECULATIVE MORAL GOALS CONCEIVED IN THE FOURTH CENTURY. This is a MODERN WORLD. And somewhere, a girl is crying, a child is fatherless, a man is in prison, because we DON'T have the NUTS to say SCREW 'EM. I WILL NOT SURVIVE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN TERM!!! MANY OF YOU WON'T EITHER!!!--rchandar
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Comment #95 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on November 02, 2007 at 12:12:39 PT

aolbites Mike and whomever....
I still might vote for your candidate, but if y'all keep trying, I'm sure you can talk me out of it.
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Comment #94 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 12:09:25 PT

Mike
The thing about Ron Paul is that there's nobody speaking against him here. So who are you rebutting? There are people who aren't going to vote for him because he is a Republican. And there are people who are going to vote for him in the Republican primary. It doesn't matter to anyone else because unless he wins the primary he isn't a candidate for president. I don't know anyone here who doesn't hope he wins the Republican primary, so good luck.
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 11:47:38 PT

Mike
I said go ahead and talk about him. I don't care. I am not interested but I don't care.
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Comment #92 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 11:40:05 PT

whig
Once we are asked not discuss certain things it begs a rebuttal (as relevant as they may be in the case of Ron Paul and his views on drug law reform, or as irrelevant as they may be in the case of tired debunked 9/11 conspiracy links.)If we will only be allowed to speak on certain subjects, then FoM needs to define exactly what those subjects are.
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Comment #91 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 11:38:21 PT

fight 4 freedom
That was a really encouraging song.
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Comment #90 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 02, 2007 at 11:29:25 PT:

heres a little music to lighten the mood
I listen to very little rap music, but here is positive song that I have always loved. He can get those words out pretty fast. 
hope
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Comment #89 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 11:21:26 PT

Mike
I've been commenting here for a few years. It's really like a family. We talk about whatever we are thinking about, sometimes. The topical part of the site, is the news itself. You won't see FoM posting articles about the political and social commentaries we make in the comments.Some people might like to read here to get the Cannabis News. Some people might like to read the comments. Some people might like to comment themselves on the Cannabis News. And some people like to comment on the other comments.As long as it's respectful and friendly, I think FoM enjoys it because it's like sitting around and passing the pipe and talking with our friends, no matter what serious stuff is going on in the world. The boundaries are what FoM sets, if she's uncomfortable, the subject gets changed. That's because this is her home.Hope you understand.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 11:21:20 PT

whig
Thank you. 
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Comment #87 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 11:15:42 PT

FoM
If you can't express your own feelings here I don't know what to say. You shouldn't feel like people are attacking you in your own space. I think you and I have some points we disagree on and sometimes maybe it's been heated even between us, but I know that if I felt strongly enough I would go away rather than subject you to abuse.
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Comment #86 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 11:12:22 PT

All
This is FoM's board.We are guests here, and making our host feel unwelcome in her own space is not a very good thing to do.If you don't like C-News, there are other boards, other blogs, or you can start your own.We don't always agree here. We have a lot of different opinions. We come from different parts of the country, and some of us from different parts of the world.If you're stressed out about something here, toke and relax, do something else for awhile. Come back and be welcome to participate in any way that FoM approves.I hope that this is taken in the spirit intended, that whatever our differences we can peacefully resolve them or go our own ways.
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 11:10:42 PT

Mike
Where should progressives go to talk about how to change the laws the way they see it? I thought since progressives aren't as pushy they just go away quietly and that closes the door on their beliefs. 
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Comment #84 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 11:07:41 PT

Agreed
The subjects here should revolve around the reform of cannabis laws and the best means of doing so. That means its of paramount importance to discuss certain polititians' opinions on the matter. This should not not be a platform for federal control of abortion or free government health care (which *rightfully* strengthens the government's position that they can dictate how we control our own bodies - This scares me.)As far as I'm concerned, none of these other issues trumps the importance of cannabis law reform, which would be only one step in taking back the country and begin restoring freedoms that have been wrongfully taken away from us over the years.Opinions widely differ. These are such volitile issues. But soon the elections will be over and without a mircale or two we'll likely be right back to where we were before this all started. Your average Democrat or Republican, they are cut from the same filthy cloth. We need a clean sheet to only begin making a difference.

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Comment #83 posted by freewillks on November 02, 2007 at 10:22:37 PT

Running off the reform supporters!
I have felt like I am not wanted to help legelize cannabis anymore around here. simply because I do not support Obama, Or Clinton. If I find news about our stuggle, it has to come from a veted source that FOM aproves. That means Nothing from Foxnews or other right leaning sources. I for one am embaresed to even send someone here to this site for news anymore, because of all the political agenda of a few folks. whats worse is the agenda has nothing to do with the legization of marijuana. I have vowed to stop posting on this site untill the election is over and folks are ready to talk about how to get to our goal. peace out... 
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Comment #82 posted by fight_4_freedom on November 02, 2007 at 09:55:17 PT:

can't we all just get-a-bong :)
Science: THC normalized impaired psychomotor performance and mood in a patient with hyperactivity disorderBBSNews 2007-10-01 -- (IACM) Scientists at the Department for Forensic and Traffic Medicine of the University of Heidelberg, Germany, investigated the effects of cannabis on driving related functions in a 28 year old man with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). He had violated traffic regulations several times in recent years and his driving licence was revoked due to driving under the influence of cannabis. He showed abnormal behaviour, seemed to be significantly maladjusted and his concentration was heavily impaired while sober during the first meeting with a psychologist. He was allowed to perform driving related tests under the influence of the cannabis compound dronabinol (THC), which his doctor had prescribed him to treat his symptoms. The examiner expected that he was not able to drive a car under the acute influence of THC.But at the second visit his behaviour was markedly improved and he performed average and partly above-average in all tests on reaction speed, sustained attention, visual orientation, perception speed and divided attention. A blood sample taken after the tests revealed a high THC concentration of 71 ng/ml in blood serum. He admitted later to have smoked cannabis and not taken dronabinol, because it was too expensive. Researchers noted that "people with ADHD are found to violate traffic regulations, to commit criminal offences and to be involved in traffic accidents more often than the statistical norm" and conclude from their investigation that "it has to be taken into account that in persons with ADHD THC may have atypical and even performance-enhancing effects."(Source: Strohbeck-Kuehner P, Skopp G, Mattern R. Fahrtüchtigkeit trotz (wegen) THC. [Fitness to drive in spite (because) of THC] [Article in German] Arch Kriminol 2007;220(1-2):11-9.) 
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Comment #81 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 09:43:42 PT

Yes
Real news is a little slow. Just ran across this blog posted on the Reddit front page:http://www.populistamerica.com/what_if_all_drugs_were_legal?hbr
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Comment #80 posted by dankhank on November 02, 2007 at 09:17:41 PT

this site
is an island of calm in the frenetic cacophony we call the web.While we differ we can also agree to limit conflict as much as possible by considering other's sensibilities.Mayan does a good job of minimizing rhetoric while leaving links to sites he'd like us to visit. I value his posts.I'll check out most any link left here ...It's slow for Cannabis news I reckon so we need to have something to talk about.name-calling is not a good idea ... not even twerp, which I poo-pooed at first ... then looked it up ...http://www.thefreedictionary.com/twerplet's all take a deep breath and craft a workable compromise ...Peace to all ...
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Comment #79 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 08:59:33 PT

Joe
I do not give commands here. The name-calling just makes you look bad. That's all.
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Comment #78 posted by JoeCitizen on November 02, 2007 at 08:51:17 PT

Mike, no.
I don't take commands, and that was not phrased as a request.  The only person around here who can give me orders is FOM, although I respect Kaptinemo so much that I would consider his orders.You? Nah. Buzz off.Joe Citizen
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Comment #77 posted by DjLoTi on November 02, 2007 at 08:32:18 PT

The rules
When I look for the rules on posting here, this is what I see  * NO spamming
  * NO commercial advertising
  * NO flaming
  * NO illegal activity
  * NO sexually explicit materialsI don't believe I violated any of those. I hardly come around here, but I'd recommend an update to the rules if the above don't fully cover all rules applied in this 'blog'
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Comment #76 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 08:02:55 PT

Joe
Knock off the name-calling.
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Comment #75 posted by JoeCitizen on November 02, 2007 at 07:51:46 PT

DjLoTi - You are speaking from great ignorance
DjLoti,Since you seem NOT to understand, let me enlighten you: FOM is not a moderator or an admin. She is the CREATOR of this board. As far as I'm concerned, she's the only opinion around here that REALLY matters. She has every right to pull the plug on this board anytime she wants, and I wouldn't blame her a bit with impudent, loud-mouthed twits like you showing up here.She has EVERY right to set the agenda and proscribe the limits of conversations. If she'd rather not talk about Ron Paul, then we're NOT going to talk about Ron Paul here. There are literally thousands of other blogs on the net - find one that wants to hear more about Ron Paul. Or better yet, start your own blog, write about whatever pleases you there.But do NOT show up to a long-established and well-run blog and try to claim some kind of ownership or carte blanche to write whatever you want. THIS IS NOT YOUR BLOG. It's not mine, either. It's FOM's, and she's more than earned our respect, and the right to be free from twerps like you.Now piss off.Joe Citizen.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 07:07:43 PT

DjLoTi 
Talk about him all you want I really don't care anymore. 
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Comment #73 posted by DjLoTi on November 02, 2007 at 06:55:09 PT

ok, well I'm sorry to hear...
That you don't care. Politics is tough and has really taken a toll on my mental well-being. News that just came out today shows that Iran is to be a sub-set of Iraq and it's all propaganda, and that the 'WMD' that were the fuel to go into war with Iraq was *really* bad intelligenceRumsfeld tries to link Iraq to Iran
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Memos_reveal_Rumsfelds_concern_with_marketing_1101.htmlFaulty Intel Source "Curve Ball" Revealed 60 Minutes: Iraqi's Fabricated Story Of Biological Weapons Aided U.S. Arguments For Invasion http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/60minutes/main3440577.shtmlPolitics suck, they are serious criminals that (if we survive the test of time) will be looked at in history as (hopefully) what was the end of a brutal empire that kept the people in shaklesAll I ask is to please not tell the RP people to shut up. You can write about your Obama guy, which is fine, and I could probably argue very well, but that's not my intention. My intention is to promote Ron Paul, because he is my hope, as Obama may be yours. We can agree to disagree, but it's not your role to control the content of the users who visit this website. That's my only request, let the RP people be, and hopefully they let you be as well.. debates are hard, but, you can always move not to argue and encourage others to reach out to other communities if you feel this community is 'proliferated' (which would be a good argument :) ) 
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 06:52:48 PT

One More Thing
I won't quit doing CNews but that is all I will do. Life is too short to waste precious time.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 06:45:15 PT

DjLoTi
I am at a point where I don't care. I'm moving on. 
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Comment #70 posted by DjLoTi on November 02, 2007 at 06:37:03 PT

FoM
Honestly, are you a mod on here? Just because you're always around, does that make your opinion more important? I don't post here very much, but who's to say the drug war is more important to you then me. In fact, it probably isn't, but the principle is the issue here. When Ron Paul comes up you cite abortion and (possibly) other issues. THIS IS A CANNABIS WEBSITE! Ron Paul has taken a stance for our side on the drug war. If you don't like him because of his abortion stance, take it to a pro-choice website. You can not like him all you want, but who are you to stifle the strength in the Ron Paul support? Obama, against wide-spread decrim, wants a hard-line stance on Iran, going into another war, and how much experience does he have in government? Oh, lets not forget he wants to go into Congo and Sudan ( http://www.barackobama.com/issues/strengtheningamerica )
We can barely handle Iraq, now we want to take on 2 more countries?? lol, do you seriously want to go into Congo? I'm not hatin on the people in Africa, I agree that if anyone needs our help it's them... but we're broke as a nation and we can't just go around the world saving it. Africa is a mess and before we save the world, how about we save our country from the destructive path it's taking... /endrantRon Paul has written a book on foreign policy, and 2 on economics. And since you like to go off topic so much (abortion), I'll go a bit off topic too (economics). How about that 41 BILLION dollars the FED just printed out of thin air? Now when I go to Amsterdam, the cost of my trip will be about 20% higher then when I went last year. Listen, I'm not trying to shove him down your throat, but don't tell me I don't have the freedom to write about Ron Paul. If it bothers you or is threatening, then report it to the admins. Unless you disagree with free speech, I have the right to promote Ron Paul, a pro-decrim candidate, on a pro-decrim website until my fingers fry off. 
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 06:26:33 PT

A Good Beginning
Excerpt: This week the US Sentencing Commission, with little fanfare, officially reduced its recommended sentences for crack-related offenses. The commission announced last spring that it intended to make the change, and Congress had until Nov. 1 to stop the move. It didn't, and the revised guidelines became effective Thursday. http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1102/p01s02-usju.html
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on November 02, 2007 at 06:08:56 PT

A Wish
I hope we can move on and look forward to our future. I know that I am anxious to finally know who will run in 08 but I don't want to wish time away. Soon it will be Thanksgiving and then Christmas and then it will start getting very serious. I can't find any news to post but I will keeping looking. The weather is beautiful. The frost makes the fields look just like a silver blanket has been draped on them. I haven't had any hope since Bush became President and now I do have hope. It's been a long time since I have felt encouraged.
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Comment #67 posted by Mike on November 02, 2007 at 05:55:40 PT

Related..
Here the Digg comments on this:http://digg.com/politics/Cowards_Democratic_Front_Runners_Reject_Marijuana_Law_Reform
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Comment #66 posted by Had Enough on November 02, 2007 at 05:12:20 PT

Politics
It’s what’s for dinner!!!… our future…The weather has been overcast & windy …

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Comment #65 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 05:02:33 PT

change their minds
I think in some sense, though, when I am writing to anyone I am writing to everyone, so it becomes easy to go from one to another.
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Comment #64 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 04:58:26 PT

Sinsemilla Jones
The blogs are pretty well connected now so we can have actual input into the campaigns, and if at some point they realize that people who have not voted in a long time are about to show up....I'm telling you, it would be a shame if the Democrats put up somebody we can't support. And those who have spoken against us can still be convinced to change your minds.
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Comment #63 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 04:54:35 PT

observer
I respect Ron Paul, even when I disagree with him. That's something I can't say for the other Republican candidates.
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Comment #62 posted by observer on November 02, 2007 at 03:37:35 PT

Parade of Jailers
Philadelphia, PA: Democrat Presidential frontrunners Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Barack Obama (D-IL), and former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) oppose federal marijuana decriminalization legislation that would ensure that Americans who use pot recreationally would no longer face arrest and imprisonment.In other words, Hillary, Obama, and Edwards want to throw us in jail, simply because we smoke pot.Thanks Hillary! Thanks Obama! Now, tell me one more time, why should I vote for someone like Hillary or Obama, who promise to keep throwing us in jail? No, I don't think so. It tickles me pink to see Ron Paul getting out the freedom message like is happening. We know we he stands on cannabis, at least. Get the federal government out of it. Legalize it. That's the freedom message. Pandering finger-to-the-wind politicos can take a hike. I want freedom! I join my voice with those who say, "Give me Liberty!" No "spambots" are we: I've been a Ron Paul supporter since 1988 and a poster here since around 1999. 
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Comment #61 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on November 02, 2007 at 00:56:02 PT

Really whig?! I thought I was the only one! LOL!
Toke and Vote in 2008!Toke and Vote for Peace!Vote and Toke for Peace!Vote with your Bong!Vote with your Vapor!Vote with your Butter!It's not who you vote for, it's being stoned when you vote.But if we end up with Mitt v Hillary in the general, I might have to get drunk!
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Comment #60 posted by whig on November 02, 2007 at 00:02:57 PT

Sinsemilla Jones
Do you realize what percentage of the American people actually smoke pot? It's astronomical.
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Comment #59 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on November 01, 2007 at 23:56:14 PT

whig - I agree!
"If we can get all the Democrats to move to a position of decrim, that would be awesome."I think maybe they are finally figuring out that the pluses outweigh the minuses. They can gain those of us who have been voting Green, Libertarian, or not voting at all, without really losing anyone.Now, I'm ready to hear the candidates start answering some questions about hemp.
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Comment #58 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 22:41:08 PT

Sinsemilla Jones
Yes, I'm really glad that Chris Dodd has moved the goalposts. Now candidates that seemed to be on our side (willing to protect medical patients) are having to be challenged again to reconsider their stances.If we can get all the Democrats to move to a position of decrim, that would be awesome. If we can get all of them except Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, that's fine with me too.
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Comment #57 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on November 01, 2007 at 22:22:28 PT

I think it's great that we're learning more and...
more about all the candidates.I'm actually starting to change my mind about this lengthy pre-primary campaign. It's allowing us to learn more about minor candidates who might otherwise have dropped out after an early primary loss.I'm very happy to learn of Chris Dodd's mj decrim position now while he still has a chance to gain some momentum, and I hope it will spur others to give him a closer look -http://chrisdodd.com/issuesI really don't know who I'll vote for in the primaries. Depending on where I think it will do the most good, I'll either be voting for Ron Paul in the Rep Primary or a Clinton alternative in the Dem Primary.I hadn't even considered Dodd, until now, but he's moving up with a bullet. However, Edwards gets a bullet in the balls for his bs.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 21:27:38 PT

Taylor121 
You're right. This is really serious and we can go thru it together or hurt each other and then they win. Divide and conquer really does work.
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Comment #55 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 21:23:35 PT

Yes FoM
I guess you're right. The thing is we still got a year of this crap to go. Everyone should probably calm down and get their thoughts together. We still need to hear more from all of the candidates.I understand how big of a deal this election is. It's pretty redundant to remind everyone that America is in a difficult spot right now. Whoever is elected will have a tough time and needs to be ready to face the challenges ahead.
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Comment #54 posted by BGreen on November 01, 2007 at 21:19:20 PT

Letter to the Editor in Springfield, MO paper
Illegal drug industry to go onRe: "'Meth gun' is latest drug weapon," Oct. 26.As a retired police officer and student of history, I see much ado about nothing, if my profession is equipped with a "meth gun." Over the past 36 years as my profession has spent a trillion tax dollars, we have seen new ideas, technologies and laws adopted to "win" the war on drugs and make the New Prohibition effective public policy.	
Each has had at best a tiny effect that was often short lived. The $500 billion illegal drug industry will find a way to go around anything. That is why despite the arrest of 38 million Americans on drug charges, drugs are cheaper, stronger and much easier for teens in the "Show Me State" to buy.Officer Howard J. Wooldridge (retired) Frederick, Md.
Illegal drug industry to go on
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 21:13:59 PT

Taylor121 
I think people are touchy because we are getting so close to the real serious race for President. That is very heavy. I don't know if you understand how deep that word means to me but it's deep. This is my last chance to help bring change. I know it is and it matters. Everyone on CNews knows what they will do come election time and I think people are scared of change and rightfully so during these very difficult times.
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Comment #52 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 21:08:11 PT

Eh?
Why is everyone so touchy on supporting Obama, Paul, this or that? We are all in this together. I fail to see how posting your like or dislike for Ron Paul or Obama is such a big deal when we have people posting regularly on here that 911 was an inside job. 
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 21:02:19 PT

BGreen
As long as people stop posting about Ron Paul I'll be happy and I have no need to talk about Obama.The weather was beautiful today.
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Comment #50 posted by BGreen on November 01, 2007 at 20:58:40 PT

My point is not to argue and I'll end it here
I think we should either be able to discuss the pros and cons of any of the candidates or none at all.I won't mention any of them anymore.Now for a safe topic, how about that weather today? It sure was (warm/cold/sunny/cloudy/rainy/beautiful/nasty,) wasn't it? LOLThe Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #49 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 20:58:01 PT

BGreen
Here's how it seems to me, but you can tell me if you think I'm wrong. We're a year away from the election but the primaries are only a few months away. We have a lot of Democratic candidates to choose between, but as far as Republicans nobody is supporting any of the candidates other than Ron Paul. So if you want to be a Republican and vote in their primary, go ahead. But who are you trying to convince here? Nobody who is participating in the Democratic primaries can vote for him, and he may or may not be on the ballot in a year.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:56:47 PT

aolbites
I want people to take this to his blog. Why is that so hard for people. If you don't like it here you sure don't have to stay here. 
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:54:04 PT

aolbites 
Who are you telling off?
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Comment #46 posted by aolbites on November 01, 2007 at 20:51:56 PT

I'm Sorry but...
yea, I know that means nothing to you, but fuck off, I believe in the constitution and whoever the hell tells me to shut up about anything doesn't deserve the slightest bit of support.Don't you dare tell anyone to shut up about a candidate when you are all obama this and hillary that.FUCK OFF>
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:44:52 PT

BGreen
I don't think we talk a lot about Obama or Clinton. The debate where a marijuana question was asked is what started this up. Yes, I like Obama but no one else has to like him. 
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:42:02 PT

Dankhank
You have done good work. 
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:29:27 PT

The GCW
Thank you. When someone is pushed on a person or people it really gets hard to handle. It has turned into disgust for me. Because of people pushing him he would be the last person I would vote for because it is rude. I like Dennis.
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Comment #42 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 20:28:18 PT

So who do I support?
Not sure. I strongly dislike John Edwards. I'm split between Hillary, Obama, and Dodd.I would like an Independent to run.
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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on November 01, 2007 at 20:26:35 PT

I bearded Edwards in a den ...
'round about 03 or so, I think ...it all get's hazy after awhile ...I personally handed him a copy of the CRL after taking more than my share of the air in there.I haven't given one to the major Dem candidates this time 'cause they apparently don't consider Oklahoma an important state this time around since there have been many date changes among many other states.List of Dems that have received one from my hot little hands ...Kuchinich
Dean
Kerry
Mosely-Brown
Lieberman he was a Dem, then ...
Edwards
Gen Clark AND his son, his wife too, if she had made it to Lawton, she got snowed in at Wichita Falls TX that night.I figure it's worthless to give one to a Repug, but I think I'll consider this, as the topic is out there this time.Wish me luck ...Peace to all who would teach ...
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Comment #40 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 20:26:32 PT

I don't agree with Paul on everything
but he's honest about what he believes in, and he is for marijuana legalization. A lot of his positions are misunderstood on eliminating social programs. In reality, if something like that were to occur, state governments would pick up the safety net. Paul's global warming position is troublesome. However, I understand why he supports Arctic drilling and I agree with him long-term this economy is going to need some domestic oil while we make the switch to a hydrogen economy, or methanol economy, whatever we end up with. His tax position is also troublesome to me, as I believe in a progressive tax. Last but not least, I oppose Paul's positions on getting out of NAFTA, CAFTA, NATO, WTO, and the UN.Just thought I would chime in on why I can't get myself to fully endorse Ron Paul. I respect him and I think he represents the constitutional side of the Republican Party, something that is missing these days.
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Comment #39 posted by BGreen on November 01, 2007 at 20:25:44 PT

Let's not talk about ANY presidential candidate
That would be the only fair thing at this point.I'm getting so sick of hearing about Hillary, Obama, et al. when I don't agree with a lot of what they say and I know that they won't help our cause at all. It will be the same ol' same ol' if they get elected.I'm not saying I support R.P. or anybody else right now, but I don't agree with allowing discussion about some candidates but not others.Just my worthless 2 cents.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #38 posted by The GCW on November 01, 2007 at 20:18:02 PT

FoM,
I'm not a R.P. fan.I thought the C.C. article was informative and only posted the 1st line... It just so happens to name R.P. in the 1st line...I will refrain from using the R.P. name; RIP R.P.-0-I Am a Kucinich fan.-0-I not only don't want another Repub; I don't want to see or hear another Texan pol.That's enough to gag a magot.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:07:09 PT

whig
That's good!
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Comment #36 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 20:05:53 PT

FoM
I posted my message to John Edwards elsewhere, and I think I can make sure his campaign sees it.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 20:04:06 PT

The GCW
Please stop with the Ron Paul stuff. It's really getting tiring. Thanks. Doesn't he have a blog to post on? 
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Comment #34 posted by The GCW on November 01, 2007 at 19:58:06 PT

Cannabis Culture's related article...
Your Next President on Drugs (Online as a CC #68 Sneak Preview!) by Marc Emery (29 Oct, 2007) Marc Emery dissects the war and marijuana voting records of the US 2008 Presidential election campaign, offering HOPE for AMERICA! President Ron Paul would pardon all non-violent drug offenders! Cont...http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/5101.html(((This might have some interesting perspectives We haven't heard.).).)
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 19:55:49 PT

greenmed
I'm glad it's working for you.
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Comment #32 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 19:55:45 PT

John Tyler
I agree with you, if John Edwards doesn't revisit that I may not be able to vote for him either. I'm not going to support someone who wants to put my friends in jail for doing nothing wrong.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 19:53:37 PT

John Tyler
I will vote to get the Republicans out.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 19:52:18 PT

rchandar 
I personally believe it might be too late to stop where we are heading. I find myself more and more trying to get ready for what ever happens in the future. 
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Comment #29 posted by greenmed on November 01, 2007 at 19:50:56 PT

Quicktime
Both WMP 11 and Realplayer failed to play the video on my pc.Apple's site offers a quicktime plugin for Windows:http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime716forwindows.htmlI installed it, and it works with no pre-play buffering. The video just starts playing. I'm glad I got to see it.
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Comment #28 posted by John Tyler on November 01, 2007 at 19:44:29 PT

what a shame
That is such a shame about Hillary, Obama, and John. I had hoped bettor of them. I wonder if that is their real opinion, or if they are just trying to appeal to some certain groups of voters. I would have liked to hear their strange reasoning. In any case, if they favor imprisoning people for cannabis use then, I will not vote for them. How can anyone vote for someone that promises to be your jailer? “Vote for me and I promise to follow the same failed policies of the past 70 years.” Very inspiring. 
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 19:42:52 PT

rchandar 
I understand that emotion.
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Comment #26 posted by rchandar on November 01, 2007 at 19:41:46 PT:

FoM
F #k the USA.Sorry. That's how it feels sometimes. We're responsible for this whole lie, and that's how it feels.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 19:01:08 PT

Taylor121
I'm disappointed but they didn't get to answer why they don't agree. That annoyed me. A blanket question like that could be twisted very easily.An example:Oh those Democrats want to let a child have access to marijuana. Oh My Lord! LOL!See what I mean?
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 18:57:59 PT

Dankhank
I tried again and it started buffering so I probably won't watch it. My connection is good and it works on Youtube fine and downloads quick but it acts like I'm back on dial up. I'm sure it is good. I saw in my California email a little while ago they are doing something in Orange County and something about forfeiture is involved now. I'm being vague because I want to wait and see if more information shows up. I expect lots more raids. 
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Comment #23 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 18:40:58 PT

Oh yeah
I'm impressed with Dodd taking such a courageous stance. 
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Comment #22 posted by Taylor121 on November 01, 2007 at 18:37:51 PT

Disappointed with Democrats
Hillary, Obama... I don't know. Not good.
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Comment #21 posted by Dankhank on November 01, 2007 at 18:21:09 PT

watch Drew
I was downloading a file at 150 Kbps at the same time and it loaded fast and only stopped once in the middle to buffer and otherwise ran good. It is about 15/20 min.very good segment ...
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Comment #20 posted by Dankhank on November 01, 2007 at 18:12:36 PT

quicktime
don't have it, either ...I'm have Windows Media Player 11and have a video viewer that will do mp4 ...so I guess one of them took up the slack ...get this, it's a free player that plays a lot of formats ...http://www.download.com/3000-13632_4-10717934.html
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 18:12:18 PT

Dankhank
I hadn't looked before. I don't have quicktime installed. It was loading but it is really buffering. How long is it? I really wouldn't recognize him if I didn't know that his name is Drew Carey which I do recognize. I haven't had any serious buffering since I got this wireless air card I think it's called. I will check back and try it again a little later.
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Comment #18 posted by greenmed on November 01, 2007 at 18:11:16 PT

Drew's video
I'm running linux. I'll reboot into Win XP and try there.
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Comment #17 posted by Dankhank on November 01, 2007 at 18:03:21 PT

Drew
an excellent piecenot sure why it can't be seen ...I use Firefox and don't use many of the add-ons, and it worked fine ...
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 18:00:14 PT

Denverites in No Rush To Cast Ballots
Update on Colorado.http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/elections/article/0,2808,DRMN_24736_5737133,00.html
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 17:45:46 PT

greenmed
I don't have quicktime either.
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Comment #14 posted by greenmed on November 01, 2007 at 17:39:26 PT

Drew Carey
Here's a link to the video episode (Episode 2, not "Gridlock", Episode 1) page:http://reason.tv/video/show/57.htmlThe video is in Quicktime format (.mp4 or .mov) for those who can view it; I can't yet, but the comment section makes it seem worthwhile viewing.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 17:01:59 PT

For Those Who Are Following This News
I don't watch Network TV very often so I haven't seen his show. I don't know if I could place a face with his name either if someone asked me who this person was in a picture.Carey Supports Medical Marijuanahttp://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/11/01/carey_supports_medical_marijuana/5826/
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 16:44:00 PT

The GCW
Thank you for the Neil Young article. I am listening to Chrome Dreams II right now and I have The Way on repeat! LOL!“When faceless and anonymousCome to beat down your doorAnd say you’re all washed up and doneYou can just say they have nothing in store To touch this soulBecause they just don’t knowThey just don’t knowThe way.”
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Comment #11 posted by The GCW on November 01, 2007 at 16:25:55 PT

FoM,
Last Man StandingNeil Young has made a career out of being misunderstoodhttp://www.boulderweekly.com/?site_id=619&id_sub=10557&page_id=10557&pagenum=1-0-+Rock StarRon Paul visits Front Range to explain his platformhttp://www.boulderweekly.com/?site_id=619&page_id=10556&id_sub=10556(Rock star?????)

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Comment #10 posted by The GCW on November 01, 2007 at 16:22:31 PT

Kucinich is full on. Whiskey / cannabis.
"""""Representative Kucinich has said that he favors a national drug policy that treats adult marijuana use in a manner similar to alcohol.""""""Kucinich is the candidate that is not afraid of losing support. He is the only man that is THE MAN. All other candidates must be compared to Kucinich. He will take Us out of Iraq in minutes. 
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on November 01, 2007 at 16:20:08 PT

But...But...The Chilldruuun! 
The Home Office statistics show that marijuana use by young people age 16 to 24 has fallen approximately 20 percent since 2004. Overall, 21 percent of young people admit having tried pot, with eight percent of young people saying that they’ve used it in the past month. By contrast, more than twice this percentage of Americans age 18 to 25 say that they’ve used pot during the past 30 days, according to 2007 data reported by the US Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Association (SAMHSA).The sky clearly hasn't fallen in Britain. In fact, quite the contrary!If the prohibitionists truly cared about the children they would abondon their counter-productive war of lies and decriminalize the most versatile plant in the world!THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Official Statement Confirms Detonations on 9/11:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/demolition-detonations-confirmed-in-official-statement/1621/Explosive Evidence - High Temperatures Prove WTC Demolition: 
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/10/explosive-evidence-wtc-was-too-hot.htmlFraming The Truth Movement As Terrorists:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/011107_framing_terrorists.htmCalendar of 9/11 truth events: 
http://www.911truth.org/calendar.php9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #8 posted by goneposthole on November 01, 2007 at 15:03:14 PT

The Dangers of Marijuana
http://members.aol.com/johng101/danger.htmThe Dangers of MarijuanaNOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed an interest in receiving the following information for research and educational purposes.Interest is assumed by reading further or clicking on the related linksTo whom and why?"The word you here most often associated with Marijuana is dangerous... Marijuana is dangerous they say it in all the propaganda over and over... but they never tell you why it's dangerous and to whom it's dangerous ...Marijuana is dangerous to the rich, to the people who run the timber industries, because hemp board and hemp paper is more durable and lasts longer than its wooden competitors..
Marijuana is dangerous to Textile and plastics industries because hemp cloth is cheaper and longer lasting than cotton blends.
Marijuana is dangerous to the Lawyers cops prison guards and the rest of the legal system whom would be out of work if not for the flow of Marijuana arrests.Marijuana is dangerous to the big drug dealers who would rather you did crack or heroin... who would be put out of business if marijuana was relegalized.
Marijuana is dangerous to the champions of industry, because in it unmotivates the working masses, they get stoned and realize that they don't have to be the slaves to industry. They realize that the flashy clothes shiny cars and big houses are not going to make them happy. Music love and friends take on new importancesMarijuana is dangerous to the government.. Why? I knew you would ask... Because of being the safest of compulsions, even safer than overeating, gambling, drinking, tobacco products and hard drugs. Those who have in the past or in the present, partaken of the evil weed represent a majority in this country. Over fifty percent of the voting population admit to having smoked marijuana,at some point... most of the rest lie about it. Is there any question in the mind of the group assembled here today, that if every person who ever took a drag, whether they inhaled or not got behind a single candidate in any election at any level of government he or she would win by a landslide...But most of all Marijuana is dangerous to the smokers! Not because they can be burned by exploding seeds or health or mental problems but because they become unmotivated politically, sit back as the government continues to escalate the war against its own citizens. All the while those who would be hurt the most by relegalization, continue to collect their fortunes from those of us struggling to survive at the bottom of the food chain..." - John Galt Jr.Feel free to copy and Distributehttp://members.aol.com/johng101/danger.htm
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Comment #7 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 14:45:13 PT

Sinsemilla Jones
It does seem to me that most of the Democratic candidates want to be our friends, but they are afraid of losing support from other groups with money if they support us.
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Comment #6 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 14:43:45 PT

Sinsemilla Jones
To me, these debates are part of a conversation, and aren't really decisive. If people like us can respond to the candidates and they are unable to ignore us, then we can cause them to do one of two things, either support us or turn against us. In this way, we know our friends from our adversaries.
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Comment #5 posted by whig on November 01, 2007 at 14:37:40 PT

FoM
I want to find a shorter clip of just the question and answers. And then I want to tell John Edwards that cannabis prohibition sends the wrong message to children; it teaches them that it is better to drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, when we know that cannabis is safer. We should encourage children to wait until they are adults to make adult decisions with adult consequences, but we should educate them with honesty. Teaching them falsehoods about cannabis sends the wrong message to children; it teaches them not to trust us when we tell them the very serious dangers of drugs like heroin or cocaine. Criminal punishments for adult possession and use of cannabis teach our children that their government is unjust.
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Comment #4 posted by thestales on November 01, 2007 at 14:26:34 PT

decrim
and that time is coming soon. and Once the war on cannabis falls, the war on drugs will be severly weakened. Some day prohibition will end, but I see it getting worse before it gets better.heck if 40% are for decriminilzation then by the time my kids are old enough to vote 10-15 years from now, it should be a Non-issue. Right now I would be happy if they stopped the raids on sick people. Let's get that done and go from there.I am tired of this "hate" legislation, as that is all it is. Rascism again, brown and green people. 

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Comment #3 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 14:10:36 PT

Sinsemilla Jones 
You're welcome. Slowly we are making progress. When we finally can convince all of society that marijuana won't jump out and bite them we will win. We need to get more then 40% to be for decriminalization. When we get up more towards medical marijuana polls we will be in the home stretch.
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Comment #2 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on November 01, 2007 at 13:46:46 PT

FoM, Thanks for the video link!
I missed the debate, and none of the few articles on this had before mentioned who was raising their hands!I definitely have to consider voting for Dodd, now."How many Republicans are for MMJ and the Decriminalization of Marijuana?"1 for both, Ron Paul. And Rep. Tom Tancredo has consistently voted in favor of the Hinchey-Rohrabacher amendment, though I don't think he's yet talked about the issue on the campaign trail. So, maybe 2 Reps for MMJ.Which is really quite amazing, considering Kucinich was the only one of either major party even willing to talk about these issues 4 years ago.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on November 01, 2007 at 12:40:49 PT

Just a Note
The Decriminalization of Marijuana question begins at approximately 5 minutes. I am glad that all the Democrats made positive comments on Medical Marijuana and three of the Democrats are for Decriminalization of Marijuana. That's making progress even though it is very slow. How many Republicans are for MMJ and the Decriminalization of Marijuana?Video of the candidates' exchange is available online at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3iuA7vrudA&NR=1
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