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  Watsonville Eyes Ban On Prescription Pot Sales

Posted by CN Staff on October 23, 2007 at 07:12:07 PT
By Donna Jones, Sentinel Staff Writer  
Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel  

Watsonville, CA -- After narrowly permitting body artists to set up shop last month, the City Council today will consider another potentially controversial business — medical marijuana dispensaries.Staff is recommending a ban, citing problems in other communities with crime, public pot smoking and complaints from neighboring businesses.
But John Doughty, the city's community development director, said the bigger problem is that officials would be forced to issue business licenses or planning permits in conflict with federal drug laws."We don't think it's appropriate to put ourselves in a position to have to violate federal law," Doughty said.Using marijuana as medicine has been legal under state law since 1996 when voters passed Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act. But while opening the door to prescription pot, the initiative provided few guidelines for implementation, and it put the state into conflict with federal drug laws. Drug Enforcement Administration agents routinely raid pot dispensaries, and most Central Coast cities prohibit such outlets, either overtly by statute, such as in Marina, or by a zoning exclusion that bans businesses not specifically permitted, such as in Capitola and Monterey, according to the city staff report.Santa Cruz, which recently lifted a smoking ban in a city park to allow patients to light up at an annual medical marijuana festival, is the exception. The city is home to two dispensaries: Greenway Compassion Inc. and Santa Cruz Patients Collective, both in the city's industrial area near Harvey West Park. No one was available to comment at either dispensary Monday.But even the famously liberal city has limits, and in 2005 Santa Cruz leaders, worried about the image of its downtown, quickly shut down a pot cooperative that tried to open on Pacific Avenue. In more socially conservative Watsonville, the staff report suggests residents who want to treat illness with pot can make their purchases in Santa Cruz.Valerie Corral, cofounder of the Santa Cruz-based collective Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, said the travel puts a strain on the sick. About 20 of the club's 120 members are from the Watsonville area, she said. These are people who are suffering, even dying, and they have to either drive to Santa Cruz, or take public transportation.If people don't have the access close to home from a legitimate source like a dispensary or WAMM, some will go underground, Corral said."The last thing Watsonville needs is to support illicit drug traffic," she said. "Eliminating access to dispensaries where people are much safer ... I don't think they're being sensible."Watsonville Police Chief Terry Medina said he wasn't directly involved with crafting the city's proposed policy, which was written and researched by the community development department with his input. But he said he's aware of problems elsewhere."My reality, whether you're WAMM or the city or the person who believes they need medical marijuana, is that the law came through an initiative process terribly flawed, and measures to try to standardize it and correct it have politically failed," Medina said.If You Go:WHAT: Public hearing on medical marijuana dispensaries.WHEN: 6:30 p.m. today.WHERE: City Hall, 250 Main St.INFORMATION: http://www.ci.watsonville.ca.usSource: Santa Cruz Sentinel (CA)Author: Donna Jones, Sentinel Staff WriterPublished: October 23, 2007Copyright: 2007 Santa Cruz SentinelContact: editorial santa-cruz.comWebsite: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/WAMMhttp://www.wamm.org/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml

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Comment #93 posted by Hope on October 25, 2007 at 08:32:09 PT
Comment 88
"One thing I learned early in life was to be polite."Being polite isn't a weakness. It's a very, very powerful strength. It's hard to do at times...but to be able to maintain politeness is a very powerful strength. It takes strength, and it is strength, and it begets more strength. 
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Comment #92 posted by afterburner on October 24, 2007 at 22:09:46 PT
Totally Off Topic
Canada: A Criminal Mind: Juries Can Nullify, Just Don't Tell, Law Times, (22 Oct 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n1227/a03.html?176
Excerpt: {
Recently the State of New Hampshire ( "Live free or die" ) passed House Bill 906 requiring the judge in all criminal proceedings to instruct the jury on its power of nullification, and further requiring the judge to allow the defendant or his counsel to explain this right of nullification to the jury. The new law takes effect on Jan. 1, 2008. 
}Jury nullification, it's a growing concern!Livin' in Hope. 
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Comment #91 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 21:18:17 PT
It seems to be consuming us, doesn't it?
I apologize for my part in embarrassing you FoM. You know I would never do it for spite. I'm sorry.Guys, the only way to be fair to FoM and the thousands of other readers who come here to learn about Cannabis law reform, not our personal opinions of 9-11, is to drop the subject as a constant issue. I can see what is happening. Let's stop it from continuing. We are allowing it to divide us and maybe many others who have stopped posting because of this, already. The issue is so "explosive" (pardon the intended pun) and unsettled, that at this point, regardless of how much any of us think we know or don't know about it, we may be back peddling on Cannabis Law Reform. That's not good. That is what this special place is all about, or was. There is no denying the importance of the issue of 9-11, because it is in our face everyday of our lives, even if we try to avoid it, and the implications of what lie ahead are not good. Yes, the Truth will set us free, but let's stick with more Cannabis Truth and bite our tongues about the 9-11 Truth issue so that our Gracious Host can get some relief. And so can we, at least at this site.This is only my suggestion in how to right a wrong. No one but me is obligated to this suggestion, but please, it's obvious that we are causing FoM a hard time.  No one should have their speech limited except when it gets above the tolerance of the Host.(With the exception of peaceful protest) We passed that line. Let's step back across it and help FoM out here. She is, after all, a Caretaker of our Cause. I'll even take more than my share of the blame, if that helps.Peace.Toke.  
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 21:16:29 PT
BGreen 
Please thank Mrs. BGreen for me. 
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Comment #89 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 21:08:49 PT
Mrs. Green and I love you, FoM
It makes us hurt when you hurt. We really want to make this friendship go further, not disappear with no hope of ever seeing each other.That would really suck.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 20:57:05 PT
Thank You
I really get upset when I see infighting since it is not a part of the way I live. I can believe that the moon is made of green cheese but I don't have a right to push my view on others. When you have a long standing community it can be destroyed as easily as a brand new one. One thing I learned early in life was to be polite. I don't find that as something bad. I do mind hate because hate takes on it's own direction and it hurts people caught in the middle.
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Comment #87 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 20:41:19 PT
BGreen
LOL Indeed we are! ::shakes hand::
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Comment #86 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 20:40:27 PT
BGreen
As I predicted.. lol
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Comment #85 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 20:40:00 PT
Thanks, Mike
We're posting over each other. I'm sorry about the tone of my last post.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #84 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 20:38:45 PT
FoM
I agree, and apologize this has gotten out of hand.
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Comment #83 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 20:38:10 PT
Stop it, Mike
See my previous post. The discussion has ended!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #82 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 20:33:54 PT
BGreen
Then do it. I will read any links you present that you feel refutes the links I presented. Otherwise, anyone can claim anything and then find a reason not to back it up. 
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Comment #81 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 20:19:46 PT
I really wish you wouldn't
If we can't play by your rules then we shouldn't be allowed to play.I'm ashamed that you're ashamed. That is just not right. You don't deserve this.I want the activities making FoM feel this way to stop! NOW!I don't care if you want to or not but I'm not going to allow FoM to abandon what she built just because we want to argue amongst each other.FoM, we've been through too much together for you to give up on us. Take a break but please don't leave us yet.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 19:58:49 PT
BGreen
I am totally embarassed by this stuff. I am ashamed and I will go away and they might even take the site down since it is not a cannabis site anymore.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 19:55:20 PT
BGreen
Cannabis is legal. The prohibition is unconstitutional. Does that work for you?
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Comment #78 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 19:51:41 PT
Mike
Where is Osama?
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Comment #77 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 19:46:18 PT
Boy, I was only away for a couple of weeks
Not only does there appear to be a lot of extraneous conflict but you guys didn't manage to get cannabis relegalized during my absence. :-)FoM, I didn't know before I posted that you didn't want this subject to be further discussed. I'll refrain from further discussion.How can we make CNews a place that you'll be comfortable hanging out at again? Without FoM, this just won't be home.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #76 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 19:42:01 PT
Mike
Google "Tim Osman" sometime.
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Comment #75 posted by BGreen on October 24, 2007 at 19:34:42 PT
We can refute the info in your links, Mike
Countless experts have already done that.I don't think it's worth the time to try and convince you of how I believe because you've got your mind made up.I am happy to share the same thoughts as many very intelligent experts who want answers to the same questions I do.You just trust the government and keep calling us names. Meanwhile, we'll try and save this country from destruction and preserve our once-great nation for our families and yours.Cheers.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #74 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 19:28:50 PT
Toker00
One thing to consider. If 911 was an inside job, it would seem to me that they would have tied Iraq to it from the beginning, instead of trying to contrive it later.Other than this one subject, I am complete agreement with you. You arguments against ALL drug prohibitions are spot-on. I think the only way to achieve this will be in a stair-step fashion. Med. Cannabis then Cannabis, then when people see the world hasn't ended, work on the other substances. You know, as dangerous as meth is, it didn't become such an epidemic until it was made illegal - and profitable. I ahve High times magazines from the 70's where "California Crystal" is advertised inside the back cover.Peace.
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Comment #73 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 19:28:19 PT
No Mike.
We are not Fighters. We are Truthers. You are becoming confrontational with that kind of language, (squashing fighters). We don't hate you. We feel sorry for you and so many others who have been deceived by Insanity. FoM has asked all of us to change the subject and I have tried, but I will not let you project your anger on us without response. No more arguing with you, Bro. I no longer care what you think is True. Believe what you want. But at least respect FoM and together we will drop this thread, just not our positions. Now be nice, or FoM will smack you good. Good night all.Toke. 
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Comment #72 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 19:19:47 PT
Oops! Make that squash
I need a bowl. lol
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Comment #71 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 19:18:43 PT
One more last word. Peace.
We want it, we need it, and we are going to have it. It's not cheap, it's certainly not going to fall in our laps, but we WILL have Peace by destroying War. Truth will destroy War. Forever. Truth is going to free Cannabis and Truth is going to free us, as well. War has destroyed Truth from the Beginning but that is what is going to shift. As Daylight overpowers Darkness in the Spring of the Year, Truth has been resurrected and will overpower War forever more. There is no other way.The by-product of War is HAtE.Make some Peace this Saturday. The only by-product will be LOvE. Imagine...Toke.   
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Comment #70 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 19:18:33 PT
Still a few fighters to sqash..
Mine is the last True word because you cannot possibly talk your way around the links I have provided. You just cover your ears and go "la! la! la! la!"As I said.. You have already decided - with the real "Truth" to be damned.And I'll say again (since you keep missing the point). It doesn't matter what their agenda was on Bill's show. Lets say they were yelling out on his show against the DEA, and for the repeal of these insane drug laws. Their actions were *still* wrong! GET IT? Duh. Of course you don't. 
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Comment #69 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 18:34:31 PT
Mike
"One last word..."I sure hope you mean that. Your links are meaningless to those of us who KNOW. Please let this actually BE your last words...please.Toke.
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Comment #68 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 18:26:20 PT
One last word..
You 911 nuts are a religion unto yourselves; like a "911 faith." You should be embarassed, but alas you never will be. Do you even *read* what you write? If you believe something black to be white, nothing will change your minds. No matter. Since you asked:http://www.debunking911.com/http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.htmlhttp://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=65910http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htmhttp://www.maniacworld.com/9-11-conspiracy-theories-debunked.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6khttp://www.debunk911myths.org/Finally, as I said, I doesn't matter *what* they were yelling about in Bill's studio. That's totally irrelevant. They were being disruptive and rude. Regardless their agenda. 
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Comment #67 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 18:23:58 PT
OT: Condi gets confronted.
Condoleeza Rice gets what she deserves in this clip. Please don't ignore the Strength and Bravery these people are finding to reach those in power and rub their noses in the blood of our children that they have spilled.http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/241007_b_blood.htmToke.
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Comment #66 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 18:07:14 PT
whig
You got it, Bro. Hope your wife can make it with you. It always helps to have someone with you to at least make conversation with. But don't get me wrong, the people you meet at these protests are JUST LIKE US. You won't have a problem striking up a conversation like we have here. Please, folks. This protest will be The Big One because we are united against this war like never before. Let's get out there Saturday and make History, Peace, and Love!Toke.
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Comment #65 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 18:02:26 PT
FoM
"I don't think we will go after Iran because we are on to this administration and even the news won't be able to stand behind a move like that."There is certainly SOMEthing going on. Many people are talking about these sick Free Masons and China's Elite are mad as hell about this Race designed Asian Flu and the fact that the Illuminati want to extinguish 80% of...well you know the story. There seems to have been a break within the Elite as to whether to continue their New World Order crap or not. I honestly believe we can defeat these NumbSkull and Boners. Our World is about to change in ways we have only dreamed about before. Truth will prevail.Toke. 
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Comment #64 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 17:05:14 PT
Toker00
I'm going to talk to my wife about going on Saturday, I don't know whether she'll be up to it but I think this one is for the books. Let's go.
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 16:41:11 PT
Toker00
When David Crosby was on Hardball he said the reason people aren't interested in the war is because we don't have a draft. He doesn't want a draft but he said if a draft came back the colleges would burst with young folks getting involved. Those weren't his exact words but it's true. Until the fear of death hits people square in the face society in general really doesn't care. I don't think we will go after Iran because we are on to this administration and even the news won't be able to stand behind a move like that. Soon we will have a new president and then we might be able to fix it as long as it is one of the Democrats but not Clinton. I refuse to get scared because that is what they want. If we self destruct so be it.
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Comment #62 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 16:27:21 PT
FoM and Everyone.
FoM, I think I know what you mean. All volunteer does make a statement, doesn't it? It won't be all volunteer much longer. When the Iran War starts full scale, they will induct our youth, men and women alike, then even your next door neighbor will care. We are MADE to believe in war until TOO many of our children die, then guilt sets in and we end the war. That's a vicious cycle that must end by never allowing wars to start. Please help any way you can. Peaceout.Calling ALL activists and people who Love Peace. Here's something that is very powerful if we use it correctly. You won't be seeing these things next year. It's end this madness before late Spring, or forget about ending it for a long, long time.http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/16736-october-27th-mobilization-to-end-the-war?play=1&utm_source=rgemailPeace to you all and work hard to keep our young children out of Hell.Toke.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 14:47:09 PT

National Geographic Tonight: Heroin Crisis 
It was late last night and I found this documentary. I was tired so I didn't watch the whole program and I found it very hard to watch. It isn't pretty but I think it is worth checking out.Explorer: Heroin Crisis [TV-14 Ratings N/A] Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 09P Heroin is one of the most addictive drugs on earth. Stronger, purer and easier to get than ever before, heroin is attracting a whole new breed of addict. Dangerously pure, the newest forms of heroin can be snorted or smoked, rather than injected, attracting millions of new mainstream users. Explorer investigates how the war in Afghanistan has inadvertently unleashed a deluge of heroin, enticing users from Kabul to Europe to America's heartland. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/popup/200710242100.html
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 14:02:03 PT

Toker00
People don't follow politics closely around here. People vote but rural folks are passive mostly. I can't imagine anyone caring about the war since most people say it's an all volunteer Army not a Draft. 
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Comment #59 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 13:55:52 PT

FoM
That sounds like a better deal than dial up even if it is intermittant. Let us know when you try it.I understand you don't live near a city. Would it be possible that one of the small towns around there might be having something? Or are all the small towns thirty miles apart like in Ark.? You have done more for Liberty and Justice with c-news than most other activists do for their causes in a lifetime. Don't worry about making the protests. You owe America nothing. You are OUR hero.Toke.
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Comment #58 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 13:30:38 PT

aolbites
You've made your point. I hope you know that people do read what you say even when you might not be able to say any more. Do you understand?
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Comment #57 posted by aolbites on October 24, 2007 at 13:20:42 PT

truth...
"At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had
been taken out with charges."http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110295.PDFI could go on all day with more like that...there are clear explosions ABOVE the impact zone on the south tower.planes alone couldn't possibly do that. even if you IGNORE All the other evidence. explosives were there. above the impact zone. this is the truth.nevermind that the BBC reported building 7 collapsed before it did. oh wait? they did what you say?BBC reported that building 7 collapsed, while its on screen behind the woman reporting FROM NY - of course then their sat signal gets jammed, and the building falls. hmm yea nothing suspicious was going on that day... Right.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 13:18:00 PT

aolbites
Sorry only counts to me when whatever offends others totally stops. Other then that it is just a word with no meaning. I am finding other interests since this is the way the web site is going. I'll do news but I am reading other sites now.
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Comment #55 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 13:03:36 PT

aolbites
Pull it.
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Comment #54 posted by aolbites on October 24, 2007 at 12:54:13 PT

The truth hurts, but its TRUE.
can you at least listen to the people who were there? Not the gatekeepers who block their testimony.
all the first responder interviews:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html-=A firefighter stated "it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building . . . Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."=-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpWu-XZ7kM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COpfvXj_BVoremember, each gap between the beams is about shoulder width, so those are not small explosions...-=sorry fom=-
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 09:57:04 PT

Toker00
I live so far away from civilization that a protest would be probably a hundred or more miles from here. We live so far out that's why I can only have high speed internet with Hughesnet or Wildblue. This dial up is working fine but it is very slow.I have been doing a lot of research about EVDO I think it's called and that very well could work for me. You get a gadget that plugs into a USB port I think and if you have a good signal you can get high speed. I didn't realize it until yesterday that we are only a couple miles from an Alltel Cell tower. We are the second highest peak in our county so it was put there and we have 5 bars on the cell no matter where I walk with it around the house. Maybe sooner rather then later I will be able to watch Youtube again. This is exciting for me.
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Comment #52 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 09:42:58 PT

Martin Sheen has sent you a message.
http://www.peaceprimary.org/message.htmlIn case you didn't see it at the last link...Toke.
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Comment #51 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 09:39:49 PT

Here's another act to share.
http://www.peaceprimary.org/Do you want Peace? Can you spare ONE dollar, too?Vote your conscience. Remember, though, if Peace gets voted in, that's it for all those who depend on War for their livelihood, and to me, that's just Tough Shee-ot!I wish it WERE that simple to vote Peace in, but when you have a government that supplies weapons to both sides of the Wars and expects us to donate our bodies for THEIR causes, which, for some unGodly reason we keep doing, then what can we ever expect, huh? What?Toke. Toke.
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Comment #50 posted by Had Enough on October 24, 2007 at 09:23:07 PT

See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil
Excerpt from nuevo’s link."If you're willing to even entertain the notion," said Carlson, "I mean think about what that means: You are willing to believe that the president or the Congress or somebody, them, the people in charge, would kill more than 3,000 people who didn't do anything wrong because it helped them pass the Patriot Act or invade Iraq.""That's so evil," he continued, "how could you still live in this country if you believe that?"Responding to a suggestion that cynical Americans were "ready to believe just about anything negative" about their government, Carlson proposed that those individuals might want to skip the country."If you have a population that stupid and reckless and they're in charge of the government, maybe it is time to leave the country," he said. "I don't even want to think it through it any more. This is why we never do this topic on the show. It just upsets me too much. I don't want to know these kind of facts about America."http://rawstory.com/news/2007/TUCKER_911_Truthers_should_leave_country_1023.htmlJust look at that last line… “I don't want to know these kind of facts about America."Says it all for me. Heads stuck in sand. Who are You???…

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Comment #49 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 09:12:17 PT

nuevo mexican
Hidy ho, neighbor. Let's take some pics and post them so people here can learn that protesting, like cannabis, is not a bad thing no matter how many people tell them it is. That's this Saturday, folks. Please join in the protest closest to you. You too, FoM. :) Get out there and breath the same air with your Brothers and Sisters in Truth and Democracy. Go see what Democracy REALLY looks like, in action. You will be mesmerized by the power of People. It's beautiful, Man. But if you don't go, you'll never experience that closeness with you fellow Man. Get out there! Shut down your computer, get in your car, drive to the protest and demonstrate your rights to gather peaceably and speak freely. You may not get a chance to in the near future. This is no joke, folks. Either we hold up our Republic, or we will be squashed by Tyranny. It's THAT simple and it is THAT important!Toke.
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Comment #48 posted by nuevo mexican on October 24, 2007 at 08:10:10 PT

Too late...didn't see your request FOM!
What we CAN do together:Here is something we can all agree on, stopping the occupation in Iraq and the attack on Iran!Spread far and wide, it is up to us now, the Mommy and Daddy Party's have abandoned us, and no one is there to give us false illusions of our security.Pete Stark has now apologized for speaking truth to power, his tail is between his legs now, Democratic Party-style, and Nancy Pelosi has had the last word on dissing bush.Things are certainly looking up when it comes to Democratic Party leadership! So if you not pissed off already, and ready for Blackwater to patrol your neighborhood in a all out Iraq style war on Narco-terrorism, you might consider doing something about it, if you aren't already exhausted from the last 40 years of being bludgeoned over the head with Nixon's legacy, the War on Terror/Pot.11 regional Pro-Peace demonstrations to be held October 27th!This coming Saturday, October 27, people from all walks of life will gather in 11 cities around the country in a national expression of the breadth and depth of antiwar sentiment in this nation. For many people, it will be their first step in transforming their antiwar feelings into antiwar action. Regional actions will enable much larger numbers of people to participate.Watch a video by Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films, made in support of the October 27 mobilization.People everywhere want the war to end, but Washington has failed to take decisive action. With each passing month, the Iraq disaster claims the lives of nearly 100 service people and countless Iraqis as it drains 12 billion of our tax-dollars. Our communities are neglected and suffer the consequences.Join the October 27 National Mobilization to End the Iraq War, initiated by United for Peace and Justice.http://oct27.org/Well, I guess there is George Bush!
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Comment #47 posted by nuevo mexican on October 24, 2007 at 07:56:23 PT

My two cents....on Bill Mahers' blow out......
He blew it, you can see he is truly afraid of 911-truthers, like some here, MIKE, glad you kept quiet all this time, 
now, be a good audience member and just shut up like Bill Maher wants you to. snark!Not really! Just making a point, rudely.See how it feels to be shut down, especially by supposedly 'liberal' talk show hosts, who are part of the 'left-gatekeepers'.Yes, once Bills' audience turned on him, he attacked his own audience and his 'fire my audience department' , just like George Bush and his minions. Can't let those protesters be seen, nor heard. This is American TV, Hands off, only stage managed reality here folks, where are you manners!Don't upset the apple cart!Bill 'out-ruded' the rude protesters, so what about that!We have a facist dictatorship taking place, and NO ONE is supposed to mention it on TV, until it's a done deal.Then we'll have Talk shows address the subject of how did we get here, and did Talk shows do anything to stop it?'Americas' New fascist State and who's to blame'Next, on Good Morning AmeriKKKa!Bill is great on his view towards Weed, and bush, pretty lousy on everything else, he is not that funny, he is arrogant, and gives 'liberal' a bad name, as he is NOT Liberal, he is like those wanna-be Republicans, the Libertarians, who just want to get laid and smoke pot, (Bills' Joke, he should know, it was a confession!)The truth about 911 trumps polite company, trumps civil discourse, trumps just about anything we can discuss period.We live in a country governed by freaks and fools, who hold power of our lives as their currency, and when they lose 'control', we get our 'lives' back.Until then, your 'freedom' is an illusion, a word, with no meaning.Does anybody feel like we are free to truly 'live' in this country, where fear trumps truth, and politeness trumps discussion about 'what we fear may be true'.Just go back to being quiet Mike, (your choice of words) like you think we should be, about 911, especially since you seem to be an expert and have thoroughly researched all of the data, NOT!Are afraid of the truth too, just as 'Tucker' is?Watch this video, and see how people like you may appear to the rest of us.
 	
Tucker: 'I don't want to know' what Americans believe about 9/11'"If you're willing to even entertain the notion," said Carlson, "I mean think about what that means: You are willing to believe that the president or the Congress or somebody, them, the people in charge, would kill more than 3,000 people who didn't do anything wrong because it helped them pass the Patriot Act or invade Iraq.""That's so evil," he continued, "how could you still live in this country if you believe that?"http://rawstory.com/news/2007/TUCKER_911_Truthers_should_
leave_country_1023.htmlMike, is this what you are really saying?Yes, we should all be voting with out feet, as many here at C-News already have.Or are you saying you believe the bush version, is so, what are you doing at C-Mews, most Cannabists' know the truth about 911, from my experience, glad you're here getting educated!Thanks for your honesty too!

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Comment #46 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 07:31:47 PT

Peaceout
I love my Cannabis with a good deal of Truth.I will honor your request, Lady FoM. I will move on from this subject for now, but it will inevitably come back up because of the very fact that We ALL Care. We'll be OK FoM. That was just a Truth bump. We all made it over it.Toke.
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Comment #45 posted by potpal on October 24, 2007 at 06:13:13 PT

that time again
It is painfully obvious that the BBC seeks out a negative cannabis article to post it each month. Odd how we never see any of the many positive cannabis research articles that are surface and are available for publication. This one very well could have been headlined, cannabis properly applied reduces pain, but alas. Also, the research was performed here in the land of Drug War. They most definitely were using Mississippi swag and looking for negative results to begin with...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7058193.stm 
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on October 24, 2007 at 05:55:51 PT

Just a Request
I sure hope people can calm down and move on. I do my best to put bad things in the past and move forward. I doubt there are many people here on CNews that have followed it very closely. I don't know if it is right or wrong. Fortunately we are only about a year away from getting the Republicans out of power so I look that way with hope. When people say they wish it would stop do we care? I care about everyone here.
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Comment #43 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 04:00:56 PT

Brain poot.
"They don't exist because their numbers are so very small and getting smaller."Yeah, yeah, whatever. Lol.I meant, "They don't exist and the number of people who deny the Truth are getting smaller."Toke.
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Comment #42 posted by Toker00 on October 24, 2007 at 03:40:17 PT

Taylor121, Mike
Without damning you both too bad, your minds are closed to the Truth. You have a right to a wrong opinion about 9-11, but you do not have a right to deny the Truth. Those of us who have been following the Bush cabal even before 9-11, know without any doubt that it was an inside job. You two are in a shrinking number of people who will not see the Truth even if it surrounds you on all sides and enters all of your orifices. I can't help that. Idiots don't have the ability to think for themselves, so we are not idiots. People who cling to a myth about cavemen defeating our military and that America still stands for Justice, don't deserve the Truth in the first place. Whig, I know you are intelligent and I would like to thank you for standing up for the Truth. Thank you.You two will see the Truth after everyone else has. There is no denying it. 9-11 was an inside job. Those who deny it do so for reasons other than protecting the Truth. You have all the evidence before you on the Internet and you still keep your eyes and minds closed. So be it, but don't come here and deny the Truth about 9-11, insult those of us who DO think for themselves, while at the same time pretending to be for Cannabis Liberation. The same people control you that control Prohibition and for the same reasons. You are not suppose to know or think the Truth in this country. To you and your Brainwashed fellow Americans, telling the Truth has become Treasonous. That is how Brainwashed you guys are. Please open your minds and let the Truth rinse them Free."These 911 inside-job conspiracy theories have all been thoroughly debunked - except to the true-believers, who will never be convinced since they've already decided what happened, truth be damned."That is so naive. Nothing has been debunked by any credible source. Your debunkers have been thoroughly debunked. I don't have to argue with you. We didn't decide the Truth, we discovered the Truth. But you have to seek it in order to discover it. Try that. It works.Here's a trainer video for you both. Provide me with one that is equally convincing that 9-11 was NOT an inside job. Show me the people who have organized against the Truth movement in any movement of their own? Show me the people who will debate 9-11 on the media? They don't exist because their numbers are so very small and getting smaller. The Truth, it grows. Both of you are still stuck in the first stage of Truth. You ignore and deny it. Someday you will accept it. Fact.http://www.zeitgeistthemovie.comToke.  
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Comment #41 posted by Mike on October 24, 2007 at 01:59:28 PT

Getting back on topic..
http://digg.com/politics/Is_The_US_Winning_The_War_On_Drugs_VIDEOhttp://digg.com/offbeat_news/Like_It_or_Not_We_Can_t_Afford_Marijuana_Prohibition
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Comment #40 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 01:32:21 PT

Toker00
The reason 9/11 is "not allowed" to be discussed is that it is an accusation of high treason.
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Comment #39 posted by whig on October 24, 2007 at 01:24:45 PT

Toker00
If you can watch a video that's kind of long (about three quarters of an hour) it's a talk by Naomi Wolf that really does explain how to save America at the end.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
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Comment #38 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:34:02 PT

Not funny
When a public figure like Bill Maher says kick someone's ass, there's a decent chance one of his fans will do it. Somebody might wind up seriously hurt. 
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Comment #37 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:30:08 PT

Rules for Bill's audiences
1. BE SILENT.Not a good thing for any performer to demand.If you get heckled, as a comedian, handle it with some grace. Not ass-kicking.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:28:03 PT

Mike
Moreover, if he, and you, and his audience are all about ass-kicking and such, then I'm afraid I'll part company with you.
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Comment #35 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:26:31 PT

Mike
You're right, he did say he wanted to fire his audience department. Apparently they don't pick good audiences.
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Comment #34 posted by Mike on October 23, 2007 at 23:22:44 PT

whig
Bill didn't say he wanted to fire his audience. The audience was behind him 100% (less the 911 nuts). He joked that he wanted to fire the people who were in charge of filling his audience. I think your selective listening is part of the problem here.
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Comment #33 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:21:56 PT

FoM
Sorry about some of the language in that excerpt.
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Comment #32 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:21:17 PT

Transcript here
http://www.billmaher.com/?page_id=215WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: What about Building 7, Bill? That was cowardice! Attacking a man for asking a question!MAHER: I’ll kick your ass out of here, too! [applause] [cheers] Get her the fuck out!MATTHEWS: Jesus, what is going on here? What’s the issue?MAHER: Hey, this isn’t the Iowa Caucus, okay? [laughter] It’s not a debate. It’s a debate between us. You’re in the audience. Audience comes from the Latin, “to listen.” [laughter] [applause] [cheers] What’s going on here?* * *MAHER: It’s like KFC. You know, “AQI. We don’t make the bombs that kill the troops. We make the hate that makes the bombs.” [another man in audience begins to shout unintelligibly about 9/11] [audience boos]MATTHEWS: Oh, Jesus.MAHER: How come I don’t fire my audience department, is really the question that’s running through my mind right now. [to security] Yeah, don’t be gentle with him. Ass-kicking is what’s called for. [applause] [cheers] Boy…if this was a microcosm of America, I’d vote for Rudy Giuliani at this point. [laughter]
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Comment #31 posted by Mike on October 23, 2007 at 23:17:17 PT

taylor121
AGREED. Thank you. I'm not a fan of Bush at all, but I will defend him on that point.They were quite rude, and frankly it wouldn't matter what they were yelling about. They were disrupting his show. Anyone really believing these 911 theories should have been embarrassed by their actions, for they did more harm to their "cause" by acting the way they did.These 911 inside-job conspiracy theories have all been thoroughly debunked - except to the true-believers, who will never be convinced since they've already decided what happened, truth be damned. I wish people would please stop clogging posts with all the off-topic links to these ridiculous 911 theories. Its been annoying for awhile. I've kept quiet until now, but enough is enough. They need to take those off-topic agendas elsewhere.
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Comment #30 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:14:52 PT

Truth vs. Rudeness
Okay, there have been some RUDE protesters.And some of them have deserved to be thrown out of whatever event they were attending. It goes with the territory.With that said, the TRUTH doesn't care how rude you are.Bill Maher doesn't care about the truth, as I see it. He wants to rule OFF-LIMITS any discussion of the truth. And when his audience saw him do that, they booed. He literally said he wanted to fire his audience.
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Comment #29 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:12:01 PT

Bill Maher
This is the same Bill Maher who dated Ann Coulter.
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Comment #28 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 23:09:57 PT

FoM
You probably just saw the first part of the incident. So after that his audience turns on him and he says he wants to fire his audience. They hated him.
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Comment #27 posted by aolbites on October 23, 2007 at 22:55:23 PT

2008 Election hot topic =)
well, 1207 people besides me think this is a hot topic in the 2008 election news section =) http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/American_Medical_Association_Opposes_the_Marijuana_Tax_Act_of_1937does anyone have any info on the Current AMA stance?and perhaps a list of organizations Currently in favor of medical cannabis?
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Comment #26 posted by taylor121 on October 23, 2007 at 22:04:50 PT

Maher
I'm glad he threw them out. Sorry but I have to briefly defend him."They were not being obnoxious per say, FoM, they were brave protesters who took actions to boldly speak the Truth to as many people as possible."They were obnoxious and rude. They interrupted the panel on his show. "Bill Maher is supposedly for Truth about everything else, why does he resist 9-11 Truth?"Because maybe he doesn't believe it represents the truth and the movement is actually wrong about what really happened. "We think just so they won't cancel his show again like they did when he called America cowardly for lobbing bombs on a country from thousands of miles away. They canceled his HBO show for that. They would do it again in a heart beat. He knows that and has sold his soul to the Devil, so to speak. Sorry for misunderstanding you."Pure speculation with no evidence (where is your evidence for your accusation?). I'm a reasonable person and I think the 911 truth movement has it wrong. It could be the same way with Maher.
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Comment #25 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 21:48:31 PT

I hear you, FoM.
"For me I can honestly answer no. I tune out."Shoot. Not me. I love it when there is a ruccus, (non-violent) especially if it's more entertaining than the show! Lol! Some of us were born to rebel in a nice, peaceful, calm way. And some of us weren't! FoM, I would be bored to death at your side at a protest. :) You, on the other hand, would be terrified by my side at a protest. I'm not even sure you would ever go to a protest. Would you? I mean a nice peaceful orderly one. Heck, you might even wind up being a little disruptive, yourself, once you've tried it! Just joking...Hey, I really do understand what you are saying.Toke. 
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 20:49:56 PT

Toker00
People that feel a need to disrupt a person or families evening out are not considering the people but only there own ideas of what they want to say. I believe we can say what we believe without being rude. We cannot force anyone to care about anything that they don't care about already. Freedom means being able to live our lives without being put upon by outside forces no matter what. Without some order and fairness many people get stomped on and they just turn and walk away so what good does it do? If an action wants a positive reaction can that come from disruption? For me I can honestly answer no. I tune out. 
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Comment #23 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 20:34:27 PT

FoM
I understand, FoM. I've experienced this time and again when I have tried to tell people the Truth without being asked for it. Truth is something that has to be sought after, it can't be forced. It's rude to force anything. There is a message in that incident that most people won't get. That's ok. You have to want to understand something, or you won't ever really get it. Most people may be like you, FoM, and that is perfectly fine, to a point. But, there's a chance that some of those people who were so upset over a non-violent protester, also got a little jog in their head that reality is passing them by as they listen to entertainers and comedians while dangerously, unconsciously, shutting out the Truth even when it was so rudely, as has been said, presented. Sometimes the Truth can be ugly. Prime example. Even the timing can stink.If we are to ever change this illusion we live in, we must first recognize that it is an illusion. Not everyone has recognized this. Some who read here, have. A few who post here, have. Some recognize only a portion of it, others, like museman, see much more because they have sought the Truth and endured the ridicule of sharing it, for years. Some of us understand that disruption is a tool to bring attention to things that are more important than some of the other things that have been purposefully used to lull us into this deep sleep for so long, like, for instance, and no offense to Neil or anyone else, ENTERTAINMENT. We want to be peacefully, soothingly entertained and we pay good money for that. We don't want this entertainment to be interrupted by a shouting person. But is it worth all the things we have missed, innocently distracted by entertainment, that are now destroying our World? These protesters don't think so and neither do I. But please don't hate me just because I understand the entire purpose of the disruption and whole heartedly agree with their tactics. Hey, it's ok for us to disagree, remember? :) And I promise to never disrupt a Neil Young concert, fair enough?Toke.      
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 19:26:38 PT

Toker00
I don't really want to read the article because my opinion is based on how out of line the person was and caused people to get upset. The people only went there for an evening of entertainment.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 19:19:29 PT

Toker00
When I go to see a Neil Young Concert I am not going to hear anything but Neil Young and his band. When people go to a show they are going to listen to the person whose show it is not a member of the audience like everyone else is just a member of the audience. It freaks me out when people get obnoxious. I have seen Neil get confused and lose his train of thought and that's not right. I call it respect for the one who you are going to see.
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Comment #20 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 19:14:33 PT

FoM
If you will read this article that mayan posted, it explains things much better than I can. Peace.http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/maher_gatekeeper_or_coward.htmToke.
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Comment #19 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 19:09:59 PT

FoM
Oh, you ARE talking about the same incident. FoM, what he did was kiss the Bush administration square on the bung hole in order to keep his show safe. His security threw out a well organized protest on LIVE Television. I think it was a well planned stunt, myself.I've seen his name spelled every way now. I got my spelling from a Prisonplanet article about him.They were not being obnoxious per say, FoM, they were brave protesters who took actions to boldly speak the Truth to as many people as possible. This stunt is getting the Truth Movement free Publicity. (LIVE TV) Even bad publicity is good publicity, remember? Bill Maher is supposedly for Truth about everything else, why does he resist 9-11 Truth? We think just so they won't cancel his show again like they did when he called America cowardly for lobbing bombs on a country from thousands of miles away. They canceled his HBO show for that. They would do it again in a heart beat. He knows that and has sold his soul to the Devil, so to speak. Sorry for misunderstanding you.Toke.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 19:08:52 PT

Toker00
All Bill Maher is to me is a comedian who happens to make good points now and then but not all the time. I enjoy seeing him when he is on CNN or MSNBC. He is rich but that doesn't bother me because lots of people are rich and I don't want what they have so more power to them.
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Comment #17 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 18:56:17 PT

mayan
Bill Mayer is exactly what you say he is. It's all for a paycheck. He has the power to blow the 9-11 cover-up to hell and back on his show and they know it. No one in Television is going to take that step yet. At least not as an individual. Entertainment Tonight is only show I am aware of that put Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen on talking exclusively about 9-11 being an inside job. You can bet he wrote his own ticket just to keep his mouth and show shut about 9-11. He's a greedy little sh*t and I, too, have lost all respect for him, like causes or not. You run from Truth, and you might as well run from me.Toke.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 18:53:40 PT

Toker00
It was Bill Maher on the news and I saw Chris Matthews was a guest and he jumped down off the stage and went to throw this very obnoxious person out but security got to him first. Everyone was applauding. Someone else started yelling something and he went off on them too. That's how to handle someone who is trying to take over your show I think. I have seen drunk people try to take over a Neil Young concert and people applaud when it gets stopped.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 18:49:24 PT

Toker00
I wish I could see the video to figure out what you and whig are talking about but if he rattled off a bunch of questions he wasn't interested in anything but his own voice and wasn't interested in an answer in my opinion. I can only ask one serious question at a time and I try to let the person have time to think and answer how they want to.
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Comment #14 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 18:47:43 PT

Lol.
FoM, were you talking about Bill Moyers? Mayan is talking about Bill Mahuer, or however he spells it...Now I'll let FoM speak for herself...lolToke.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 18:46:00 PT

mayan
I don't have HBO so I just saw it on the news and I thought it was good. I don't know what a gatekeeper for the left is but I think I'm on the left side of the right if that makes sense.

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Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 18:44:33 PT

whig
No problem, Brother. I happen to agree with you. But, what happened to him, has happened to me as well. You get nervous as hell when you speak Truth to power. He was so determined to get all the questions out and he knew the answers would all be lies anyway, but he wanted the crowd to hear his questions, too. He was basically performing, instead of just asking questions. Did you notice all the hand gestures he was making? It may have been, if only to himself, his finest hour on the world stage. I can see why some would be offended by his tactics, though. He was off delivery, but right on target with the questions. He rattled the old fool...Toke. 
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Comment #11 posted by mayan on October 23, 2007 at 18:38:42 PT

Maher
I have lost all respect for him and will no longer be viewing his show. He's simply a left-gatekeeper.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on October 23, 2007 at 18:22:33 PT

mayan
I saw Bill Maher shut someone down big time on the news. That was so good. 
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on October 23, 2007 at 18:19:48 PT

Misc.
Here a couple of interesting "drug war" related pieces...Police State Rules in NJ High Schools:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/duggan/duggan12.htmlLetting slip the drugs of war - Is the CIA helping itself to the Afghan heroin harvest?
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m37422&hd=&size=1&l=eTHE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report:
http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/pitbullpimple/2007/10/23/seven-cia-veterans-challenge-9/11-commission-report9/11 Truthers infiltrate Bill Maher Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5BJzEshMesThe Bill Maher Real Time Meltdown – Comments from a Long Time Bill Maher Fan:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_bill_dou_071021_the_bill_maher_real_.htmBill Maher: Gatekeeper or Coward? 
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/maher_gatekeeper_or_coward.htmWhen Dogs and 9/11 Collide: Artist Releases New Canvas on 9/11 Issue: 
http://www.prweb.com/releases/PopARF/911_Truth/prweb563358.htm9/11 and the Road Not Taken: 
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20071023171520362Harassment of 9/11 Truth Activists:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/04/threats-of-violence-against-911-truth.html
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Comment #8 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 17:01:48 PT

Toker00
Music for you.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Obdx0nnM0
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Comment #7 posted by whig on October 23, 2007 at 16:50:44 PT

Toker00 #3
Please don't be offended because I'm going to be critical.I didn't like the questioner, I thought he was making a speech and even when he stopped and Norman Podhoretz was delivering his answer the questioner continued to heckle and then complained that his question wasn't answered.He asked a whole bunch of questions, actually. And that's not allowed.So here's what I'm saying. Keep it short. Ask a question. Know what you want to say, and say it. Fast. Done.And then shut up.That's my advice, because I am on your side and I still didn't like that approach and I even stopped watching halfway through the video because he was so rude.
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Comment #6 posted by Dankhank on October 23, 2007 at 15:13:35 PT

Toker00
powerful stuff, I especially liked Dennis, though Ron's statement is powerful, too.Civilized people don't execute ... they don't do that in Europe ...
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Comment #5 posted by potpal on October 23, 2007 at 14:42:48 PT

more money down the drain
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/22/AR2007102202296.html?nav=rss_world 
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Comment #4 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 12:33:16 PT

Kucinich/Paul
Here are two videos back to back of these two.http://informeddissent.com/Scroll down...What do ya think? Tyranny is over if you want it.Toke. 
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Comment #3 posted by Toker00 on October 23, 2007 at 12:01:07 PT

NeoCon Norman Podhoretz CONFRONTED!
Off Topic and I truly appologize, but this is beautiful! We Are Change! Salute!http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MBzLTjVMhYToke.
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Comment #2 posted by ekim on October 23, 2007 at 07:38:29 PT

 film events
October 2007 
http://www.drugwarodyssey.com/film/trailer.php
Oct 24 07 Damage Done at United Nations Associaton ... Palo Alto California 
 Hosted by Stanford University. This year's theme is "The Camera as Witness." October 24-28, 2007 Nov 11 07 Artivist Film Festival Jim Raetz Hollywood CA 
 Screening of "American Drug War" at the Egyptian Theater. LEAP will attend and be available for questions following the film. Sponsored by Artivist Film Festival, http://www.artivists.org/ Film website: http://americandrugwar.com/ 
http://www,leap.cc/events
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Comment #1 posted by dongenero on October 23, 2007 at 07:22:19 PT

city council kittens
C'mon, whoever said Democracy is neat and tidy, and safe and mild and passive.
These council members need to grow some b lls, and make the will of the voters happen.Buncha whining, milquetoast "leaders". Either lead, follow or get out of the way.
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