False Promise On Pot

False Promise On Pot
Posted by CN Staff on October 15, 2007 at 07:10:18 PT
Source: Rocky Mountain News
Colorado -- Give Mason Tvert credit for being focused and responsive, if nothing else. The Denver marijuana activist takes seriously the objections to Initiated Question 100, the ballot measure that would make simple pot possession the "lowest law enforcement priority" of Denver police. And he has answers to those objections, too, several of them somewhat persuasive.
Why push another marijuana initiative only two years after Denver voters approved a measure that legalized adult possession of marijuana - at least in city statute books? Because, he says, even with that ordinance in effect, marijuana arrests within the city reached an all-time high last year. Tvert is also right that residents of a home-rule city like Denver generally do have the ability to enact laws that vary from Colorado statutes (although trumping state law is another matter, as we shall see). But just as we opposed the 2005 legalization measure, we cannot support the current initiative - even if it's little more than a symbolic affirmation of voters' earlier decision. Our reasons are similar as well. The 2005 measure could not overturn state or federal laws against marijuana possession, which is why pot arrests continue. And this year's measure won't overturn them, either. Meanwhile, we have no idea how Denver police and prosecutors would interpret a mandate to make marijuana possession a lower priority than traffic offenses or jaywalking. Would the measure tie the hands of Denver police, or cause conflicts with wider state and federal drug investigations? If so, that's not a positive development. As we've said before, the proper venues to address drug laws are at the state Capitol and in Washington, D.C. Marijuana possession will become legal only when federal and state laws say so, even if local voters oppose its illegal status. We can see at least one unintended consequence if the initiative passes - and it's perhaps inadvertently pointed out in literature provided by the group Tvert heads, Citizens for a Safer Denver. On the one hand, the group says that marijuana is relatively harmless and that the drug is actually less of a social problem than alcohol. And as far as the criminal justice system is concerned, a citation for marijuana possession seems minimal, resulting in perhaps no worse than a $100 fine. And yet, the literature also accurately points out, a marijuana arrest can have "far more damaging" consequences as well. Those may include "loss of employment, inability to gain employment, loss of student financial aid, suspension of professional license, loss of public housing, loss of unemployment benefits, loss of rights to possess a firearm, loss of rights to adopt children or serve as a foster parent." By backing this initiative, supporters are sending a potentially perverse message to pot users: Marijuana possession is no big deal. This initiative will keep the cops off your back. Except that it may not. And if it doesn't, those cited for possession will have to face those dire consequences and personal sanctions mentioned by Tvert's group. Question I-100 offers a false promise that pot users will face only minor penalties if it passes. But they are likely to discover otherwise so long as the law of the land bans marijuana use. That's another reason to reject this measure.Note: Question I-100 can't change state or federal law.Source: Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)Published: October 15, 2007Copyright: 2007 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: Articles & Web Site:Safer Denver Council Puts Pot Issue on Ballot Hick, 4 Council Members Smoked Pot
Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help

Comment #37 posted by aolbites on October 17, 2007 at 13:26:35 PT
don't miss the other parts
part 1 2 3 [the one i already posted] billboard: of course, All of SAFER's videos...
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #36 posted by ekim on October 17, 2007 at 11:16:52 PT
Bioneers this weekend
great group -- teaching a wide range of bio issues 
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #35 posted by The GCW on October 17, 2007 at 11:10:11 PT
Thank You for the video link.Mason did well.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #34 posted by ekim on October 17, 2007 at 08:23:21 PT
upcomming Leap events
Oct 23 07 WREG-TV Channel 3: Live at 9 Earl Barnett Memphis TN 
 In this live interview a LEAP spokesperson explains the organization's suggestions for ending drug prohibition. CONTACT: Jennifer Cates, Producer, jennifer.cates\n Oct 24 07 Damage Done at United Nations Associaton ... Palo Alto California 
 Hosted by Stanford University. This year's theme is "The Camera as Witness." October 24-28, 2007 Oct 25 07 Colorado State University: "Cops ... Tony Ryan Fort Collins CO 
 LEAP explains its surprising proposal to end prohibition in this event on the CSU Campus, Guggenheim 107, Laurel & Howes Streets. CONTACT: Amanda Broz, akbroz\n Oct 29 07 Kansas State University Presentation Manhattan KS 
 LEAP shares their ideas on ending prohibition with the Sociology of Criminal Justice System class, 254 Waters Hall. Sponsored by KSU Sociology 361 class. CONTACT: Travis Linnemann, Professor, twl  
Nov 11 07 Artivist Film Festival Jim Raetz Hollywood CA 
 Screening of "American Drug War" at the Egyptian Theater. LEAP will attend and be available for questions following the film. Sponsored by Artivist Film Festival, Film website:
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #33 posted by aolbites on October 17, 2007 at 06:29:29 PT
Go Mason!
Face-off on 100
October 15th, 2007On Sunday, Mason Tvert of the YES on 100 campaign and Sgt. Ernie Martinez of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association faced off during NBC 9’s “Your Show.” You can watch the segment here:
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #32 posted by nuevo mexican on October 17, 2007 at 01:51:29 PT
On a brighter note!
Watch these Al Gore videos, (posted near the end of the comments are more) even if you think your mind is made up, as this is how a speech is given, and this is the man who was elected once, and will be again! No one like Al Gore unifies the base, and that is US folks!Take the poll!Draft Gore: It's Showtime! (with THE poll)The Draft Gore movement has taken on a life of it's own in the last week. The truth is we are big enough to be talked about. And Al Gore has heard us.We don't know what he's thinking. We don't know which way he's leaning. But we do know that he heard us. And, frankly, if someone was trying to draft ME, I'd keep up on what they're doing. Oh yes, Al Gore is aware that there is a Draft Gore movement afoot all across this nation and he knows what we are up to. Not only has he not told us to stop... he released three videos of himself speaking frankly about the issues on It's time to take the Draft Gore movement to the next level. It's time to build the buzz. It's SHOWTIME!
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #31 posted by aolbites on October 16, 2007 at 23:39:26 PT
blah. Useless cops.
and it won't stop them from arresting you anyway just for filming in public,3566,284075,00.htmlat least in some states ... although I would fight that to the end!! if they can search anything left in public than I sure as hell can film them doing country my ass.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #30 posted by aolbites on October 16, 2007 at 23:32:16 PT
Its a police state.
Apparently videotaping police making a illegal search from Off the property, behind a fence ... worth a tasering and beanbag beating. [apparently a video camera is a weapon now...][yea, they are suing]also, thought some here might be interested in this...:
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #29 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 16, 2007 at 21:06:39 PT
Mayan, We Need A Breakthrough
In the football game of marijuana legalization, we seem to be at a virtual stand still at the fifty yard line. We need a significant win at this point to turn the tide in our favor. The correct President in 2008 could change everything.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #28 posted by mayan on October 16, 2007 at 18:09:15 PT
That would literally be the last thing the Russians would ever do. Regardless, the rhetoric from all sides is getting very heated... Warnings from the Caspian Summit: ONLY WAY OUT...Cynthia McKinney’s Big Issue - 9/11 Truth: scholar: 9/11 'highly convenient' in allowing Bush to expand power: IMPLICITLY ADMITS: WTC TOWERS DESTROYED IN CONTROLLED DEMOLITION: Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable: 9/11 Truth Sweeps Olympics!
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #27 posted by The GCW on October 16, 2007 at 17:43:03 PT
Denver Post misses the target too.
US CO: Editorial: Vote 'No' On Latest Pot PushPubdate: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 "NO" ON LATEST POT PUSH The group behind 2005's city marijuana initiative is back. This time, SAFER wants to dictate the jobs of police and prosecutors. Denver voters this year have the opportunity to decide if adult marijuana possession of one ounce or less should be the lowest law-enforcement priority in the city. To our way of thinking, the subject of telling police and prosecutors how to prioritize pot possession should be the voters' lowest priority this election. If you think the so-called war on drugs is bogus and not working ( which we do ), it would be tempting to vote "yes" on Denver's Initiated Question 100. But ultimately, we would urge voters to check "no" when they get to that question, for many reasons. Cont.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #26 posted by fight_4_freedom on October 16, 2007 at 17:09:00 PT:
Portlanders join effort to decriminalize cannabis
Portland is one step closer to being the next city to consider decriminalizing the possession of an ounce or less of marijuana.10/11/07|KQW Northwest NewsChannel8| by Kathrine Cook, KGW StaffThis week Portland’s City Attorney's Office approved a ballot title for the November 2008 election. Measure 8's ballot title caption is "Assets criminal penalty exemption for possession of marijuana in Portland."About a dozen cities including Denver, already have laws that decriminalize possessing small amounts of marijuana.Parker Bell is behind the local effort, also known as The Portland Marijuana Project."Most people that smoke pot aren't criminals," said Bell. "We're working class people with blue-collar jobs and that's basically why we're doing this."Right now, possession of under an ounce of marijuana is a misdemeanor in Portland. Under the proposed measure, possessing that much pot wouldn't be a crime for those over 21. But Bell stresses, decriminalization is not the same as legalization."Legalization brings commerce and money into it, and allows the sale of it and (decriminalization) has nothing to do with that," said Bell."We think it's a bad idea all the way around," said Pete Shulberg, with Oregon Partnership, a drug and alcohol prevention organization.Shulberg said decriminalizing possession of even small amounts of marijuana would send the wrong message to kids, and threaten to aggravate a growing problem among teens."The latest state healthy teens survey shows that more kids in Oregon high schools are smoking marijuana than cigarettes," said Shulberg.Bell says he expects to start collecting petition signatures next Friday. To get Measure 8 on the ballot, he'll need 27,255 signatures by July 7.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #25 posted by fight_4_freedom on October 16, 2007 at 13:57:22 PT:
Cannabis growing in Lebanon
In Lebanon, a comeback for cannabis
Farmers in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley are growing more marijuana now that government forces are once again too busy with conflicts to stop them.
10-15-07 | Christian Science Monitor | by Nicholas BlanfordBekaa Valley, LebanonAli plucks a sprig of the cannabis sativa plant and sniffs its distinctive leaves with appreciation. This Lebanese farmer's field of marijuana, a splash of bright green on the sun-baked plains of eastern Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, will yield around 15 kilograms (33 pounds) of cannabis resin, or hashish, which he will sell for about $10,000, many times more than he could hope to earn from legitimate crops and for almost no work at all."All I have to do is throw the seeds on the ground, add a little water, and that's it," says Ali, who spoke on the condition that his full name was not used. "I would be crazy not to grow [marijuana]."It has been a bumper year for marijuana cultivation in the Bekaa Valley, the largest, growers say, since the "golden years" of Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war, when marijuana and heroin grown and processed here flooded the markets of Europe and the United States.Hashish production is illegal in Lebanon, and each year since the early 1990s police backed by troops bulldoze the crops before they can be harvested, leaving farmers penniless. But the failure of United Nations and government programs to encourage the growth of legitimate crops, coupled with months of political crisis, deteriorating economic prospects, and a frail security climate have encouraged farmers to return to large-scale marijuana cultivation."The worse the security situation is in Lebanon, the more we can grow," says Ali.Worth the risk, farmers sayDespite the threat of police raids destroying their crops, farmers say the financial returns justify the risk. This year they were lucky, however. The Army was unable to spare troops to provide security for the police raids because of the raging battle during the summer growing season against Islamist militants in a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon. Furthermore, the heavily armed local farmers made it clear to the police that they would resist attempts to wipe out their marijuana crops."We told the police that for every [marijuana] plant they cut down, we would kill one policeman," says Ibtissam, the wife of a marijuana farmer in the village of Taraya.Cannabis cultivation has a long history in Lebanon. For centuries, farmers have grown marijuana in the fertile Bekaa. However, it was not until Lebanon's civil war that marijuana and opium poppy growing really took off. By the end of the 1980s, the northern Bekaa was awash with both crops, generating an annual local economy worth $500 million, a massive sum for one of the poorest districts of the country, turning local farmers into multimillionaire drug barons.The biggest of them all was Jamil Hamieh, a simple farmer from Taraya who built a fortune from cannabis and heroin production, cutting deals with Colombian drug lords and mafia dons and earning him the dubious distinction of being the only Lebanese on the US government's list of leading international drug "kingpins."Now retired from active drug production, Hamieh lives in an air-conditioned tent where he hosts visitors with tiny cups of bitter coffee."It wasn't the government that made me stop. I was tired of being ripped off by all the foreigners I was dealing with," he says with a rueful chuckle.With the end of the civil war in 1990, the Lebanese government launched a drug eradication program in coordination with the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).Encouraged by promises of state support and international funding, the farmers stopped growing cannabis and by 1994 the UNDP declared the Bekaa drug free.But the development funds never fully materialized. Of the $300 million the UNDP assessed was required to develop the Bekaa without resorting to drug cultivation, only $17 million was received by 2001.The program fizzled out a year later, although the UNDP continues to seek new ways of persuading farmers to grow alternative legal crops, such as plants with medicinal qualities that can be sold to pharmaceutical companies. The UNDP is about to launch a one-year pilot project to grow industrial hemp, which comes from cannabis but does not have narcotic properties."The farmers can sell the fibers to make money. We have had a lot of interest from factories overseas," says Edgar Chehab, the head of the UNDP's energy and environment division in Lebanon.The northern part of the Bekaa Valley – where the bulk of the marijuana is grown – is dominated by Lebanon's militant Shiite Hizbullah party. Hizbullah officially disapproves of drug production, but it has chosen to turn a blind eye to the practice rather than risk a confrontation over the issue with its grass-roots supporters.Indeed, Hizbullah in the past has co-opted cross-border drug smuggling networks between Lebanon and Israel, allowing narcotics to flow south into the Jewish state in exchange for intelligence gathered by Israeli drug dealers.Will local drug use increase?The promise of easy money dampens any moral misgivings farmers may have about producing cannabis and hard drugs. But some expressed uneasiness that the difficulties in smuggling drugs out of the country will mean that most of the cannabis will end up being sold in the local market which could increase domestic drug dependency."All the borders are in lockdown so we have to sell it in the Lebanese market as cannabis only has a two-year life," says Ahmad, a former marijuana farmer and heroin refiner.Brigitte Khoury, a clinical psychologist and professor at the American University of Beirut, says that domestic drug use rises with the rates of production within Lebanon. "I am sure that if the marijuana planting increases there will be a corresponding increase in domestic drug use," Ms. Khoury says.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #24 posted by The GCW on October 16, 2007 at 10:01:08 PT
Mason Tvert's responce:
Is strict enforcement of pot laws worth it? 
Tuesday, October 16 By Mason Tvert, Citizens for a Safer DenverShould Denver law enforcers focus on muggings or marijuana?Should they be fighting property damage instead of pot? Gangs and graffiti instead of ganja? Domestic violence instead of doobies?CONT...
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #23 posted by dongenero on October 16, 2007 at 07:13:08 PT
The GCW # 18
Great response!
I hope that was sent to the Rocky Mountain News.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #22 posted by goneposthole on October 16, 2007 at 06:15:55 PT
Nobel Prize replaced
The zeitgeist of awards: will nominate FoM for one.No awards for misguided, disillusioned 'law enforcement', just a Bronx cheer.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #21 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 15, 2007 at 23:23:38 PT
The Current Situation
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #20 posted by Hope on October 15, 2007 at 22:27:41 PT
Ooops....Sorry guys...did it again.
MPP, not MMP. Marijuana Policy Project!
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #19 posted by Hope on October 15, 2007 at 22:19:38 PT
Off Topic
It's late, but for some reason I decided to google Bob Barr. He has a blog. Nothing about MMP work.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #18 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2007 at 20:52:30 PT
Discriminating news paper. 
I strongly disagree with the Rocky Mountain News’ logic to continue persecuting cannabis (marijuana) users.Question I-100 is designed to direct local government which has ignored the voice of the people. The local law enforcement community thought it slick to simply stop giving city citations for possessing cannabis and issue state citations instead to divert the clear will of voters and then actually increase their number of citations; presumably a show of force out of contempt for the people‘s will. If the measure ties the hands of Denver police, keeping them from confronting responsible adults who possess cannabis, that is a positive development. That’s the whole point; cannabis prohibition is wrong and unacceptable behavior for a civilized society.This law is similar to Seattle, Washington’s which succeeds its intended goal. More and more, rational Americans no longer support government’s mistaken cannabis prohibition laws; changes are being made and this is what it looks like. The Rocky Mountain News conveniently recommends routing cannabis legalization efforts through the state or federal government’s reefer madness foothold, suggesting local grass roots work unworthy. Nothing could be further from the truth; the laws are inappropriate at every facet.The higher up the ladder, the more idiotic the laws are, where America’s leaders claim cannabis is a Schedule I substance along with heroin while meth is only a Schedule II substance.To further counter the editorial, hold some cannabis in Your hand and observe; it’s a plant not a drug. Marijuana possession by responsible adults is no big deal, especially when whiskey possession is acceptable. What is “perverse” is humans thinking it right to separate responsible cannabis using adults from their hard earned lunch money.In the same way the Rocky Mountain News does not discriminate against minorities, fat people and religious sects etc. it should not persecute citizens who choose to use the relatively safe God-given plant cannabis. And notice I didn’t use the federal government’s chosen derogatory term marijuana.One promise is certain, with out serious activism, this luciferous cannabis prohibition will continue.A reasonable citizen may even consider the Rocky Mountain News doesn’t support Democracy when the will of the people has been made public, yet the newspaper doesn’t accept it, and further doesn’t want any additional voice from citizens to be made on the issue.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #17 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2007 at 20:45:22 PT
King George aint goin' nowhere.
I've said it before;Bush's intentions is to create an invironment that keeps Him in the President's seat. He has no plan on leaving and a well timed attack on Iran etc. will help acheive His plan.Think things are screwed up? We've seen nothin' yet.There ain't gonna be no Hillary, no Obama, No Dennis;Only more of George.He's gonna make Hitler seem like a teenage baby sitter.-0-When I read that politicians like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, veto’s hemp farming bills, I get the strange feeling U.S. leaders don’t want Americans to succeed ...With that in mind... and Iran...Who the hell is going to sign up to go kill in Iran? Who?That dirt bag is going to piss off the military little guy even more. Then He's going to drag all the little boys He can over to the killing machine and once Our country has no little boys We will get hit.Hit because the intention is to not have US succeed in being free. To remain free means cannabis will become free and little boys smokin' cannabis ain't goin' to Iran!And He's runnin outa time.Hitler is in America, now.0-0I don't know that I have the scinario exact... but Bush is a snake and He's up to something.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #16 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2007 at 20:21:38 PT
FoM, Denver's Rocky Mountain HIGH.
US CO: It’s ‘Rocky Mountain [expletive deleted], Colorado’ 
 Webpage: Aspen Times (CO)Pubdate: 13 Oct 2007Author: Charles AgarIt’s ‘Rocky Mountain [expletive deleted], Colorado’ASPEN — Visit the John Denver Sanctuary and you’d think the iconic singer never smoked pot.John Denver will live forever in the minds and hearts of Coloradoans, but the lyrics etched in stone obelisks at the riverside park have been cleaned of scandalous references.In the song “Poems, Prayers and Promises,” the verse about how Denver has “known my lady’s pleasures” is missing. And instead of reading, “my friends and my old lady sit and pass a pipe around” as in the original, the stone reads, “my friends and my old lady sit and watch the sun go down.”The last verse of “Rocky Mountain High,” which includes the line “Friends around the campfire and everybody’s high” is conspicuously absent also.“The lyrics were chosen by the family and provided to us in that way,” said Stephen Ellsperman, the city’s parks and open space director. The sanctuary was completed in 2000.Denver’s brother, Ron Deutschendorf, was shocked to hear the lyrics were altered.“My brother didn’t write it that way, and he never sang it that way,” Deutschendorf said. “He’d be pissed like I’m pissed. It’s just not right.”Deutschendorf said he remembers the 1972 controversy when Denver admitted he smokes marijuana in Australia.“If you’re going to make a tribute to someone, you should do your best to be accurate,” Deutschendorf said.CONT... soon to MAP
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #15 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 15, 2007 at 19:54:14 PT
I'm betting we get a nuclear sucker punch by Russia. F our government, we deserve it by not impeaching Bush. In the mean time, I am lighting this bowl and enjoying my time here on earth while everyone else takes it up the ass for their ignorance, click!
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #14 posted by Toker00 on October 15, 2007 at 19:49:10 PT
Disturbing...I'm not even going to speculate...Toke.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #13 posted by Christen-Mitchell on October 15, 2007 at 19:01:27 PT:
Oops - Try this address
Hemptopia - Freedom First
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #12 posted by mayan on October 15, 2007 at 18:26:44 PT
War Games & Terror Drills
Dangerous Crossroads: US Sponsored War Games: started today...TOPOFF 4 and Vigilant Shield 08: a view from the "feverish fringe":, the timing...Putin Delays Iran Visit Amid Plot Report: might be a good idea to avoid populated areas.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #11 posted by mayan on October 15, 2007 at 18:14:28 PT
Rocky Mountain News
Who cares if they don't back Question 100? They didn't back the previous Denver Initiative either and it passed. They have lost their credibility and will not get it back by kissing the asses of fascists.Aolbites, Condi Rice is a lying,treasonous woman who should be placed behind bars indefinitely. THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Treason in Shreveport: Cheney & Vigilant Shield: Will a Missing Nuke from the B-52 Incident be used in a Simulated Terrorist Attack? Candidate Dennis Kucinich Calls for Nuclear B-52 Investigation and new 9/11 Investigation:, Assaulted, Ticketed By Cop For Distributing 9/11 DVD's: 9/11 Truth confronts former Terrorism Analyst Jonathan Schanzer (w/video): "We are Unable to Provide a Full Explanation of the Total Collapse": WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #10 posted by FoM on October 15, 2007 at 16:53:23 PT
Why I mention Lindsey Graham is because I did a search when your link didn't work and found this. He is very anti-cannabis I think.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 15, 2007 at 16:48:35 PT
The link didn't work but is it Lindsey Graham?
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #8 posted by Christen-Mitchell on October 15, 2007 at 15:51:20 PT:
Kindasleezy Rice Outed
Obviously what a person does privately is no one's business but their own, this is why we fight, but any of these more moral than thou, murderous, lying Republicrats should be held accountable for their multiple faced hypocrisy. It is doubtful to me that this Country will survive the evil that this administration does.
Latest Gay Republican Outing
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #7 posted by aolbites on October 15, 2007 at 09:42:24 PT
don't knock Condi Rice to hard, she may be one of the few things kept bush from nuking Iran. it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.-=snip=--=snip=-Miss Rice's bottom line is that if the administration is to go to war again it must build the case over a period of months and win sufficient support on Capitol Hill.The Sunday Telegraph has been told that Mr Bush has privately promised her that he would consult "meaningfully" with Congressional leaders of both parties before any military action against Iran on the understanding that Miss Rice would resign if this did not happen.The intelligence officer said that the US military has "two major contingency plans" for air strikes on Iran."One is to bomb only the nuclear facilities. The second option is for a much bigger strike that would - over two or three days - hit all of the significant military sites as well. This plan involves more than 2,000 targets."-=snip=-------------------------------although it looks to me that Bush being the sneeky theif that he is tried to hide his "meaningfully" consultation in that bill that got its teeth pulled -
[these teeth:]  (3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and [stop] the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;  (4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #6 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 15, 2007 at 09:19:03 PT
Police Chief Calls For End To Drug War UK
This is fascinating and should have an impact on our policy in the US:
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #5 posted by nuevo mexican on October 15, 2007 at 09:06:17 PT
They are afraid of Mason Tvert, he ROCKS!
Mason shows us how its done!Meanwhile, the Democratic 'leadership' is digging in its heals, AGAINST impeachment still, Nancy is against US more than she's opposed to bush, watch this and call her office:Nancy Pelosi, Think about it!
az=view_all&address=385x62484Cindy Sheehan makes Nancy Pelosi look like Condi Rice when it comes to bush, read this and donate to her campaign!Incredibly, even before the November elections, Ms. Pelosi took part of the Constitution off the table and it’s time to put it back on! Ms. Pelosi colluded with BushCo to take away our 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Congress needs to make that body relevant again as a co-equal branch of government that has a responsibility to put checks and balances on the executive branch not be conspirators in its crimes and murder.The Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act need to be repealed and Habeas Corpus needs to be restored. These things can only happen with fearless leadership, not fearful capitulation to a lying President.I am running unaffiliated with any political party because I believe the corporately controlled “two” party system is responsible for keeping our country in a state of cold and hot wars for decades and it’s time to rein in the military industrial war complex that President Eisenhower warned us of almost 50 years ago.My candidacy and service will put people before profits and people before political expediency. This country is ripe for a change and it is going to start right here and right now!
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #4 posted by dongenero on October 15, 2007 at 08:02:13 PT
top down hasn't worked for 4 decades
Funny how these veiled prohibitionist positions are always backed by comments that change must come from the Feds to the state and down from there. That does not work. It assumes that Big Government is the boss and that is un-American. Grass roots initiatives will be the approach that acieves our goals. From the People up. Power to the people.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #3 posted by potpal on October 15, 2007 at 07:58:16 PT
the saying goes
Think globally, act locallyKeep up the good work, Mason. Thanks for fighting for our rights.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #2 posted by sam adams on October 15, 2007 at 07:48:06 PT
they're watching
I can't really think of anything to add to this story. Except maybe my outrage at the cavalier tone of the AP and the fact that no one even cares about this.There's so many different humungous "agencies" spying & watching us, we can't even keep track anymore.
[ Post Comment ]

Comment #1 posted by Sam Adams on October 15, 2007 at 07:45:59 PT
I love the tone of the mainstream media - why push another iniative now? we just had one last year? Why don't you just sit there & let the gun-toting brutes carry off another 1000 kids? Can't you just be a docile slave like everyone else? Can't you just pipe down & go to Walmart & eat junk food like everyone else?
[ Post Comment ]

Post Comment