cannabisnews.com: The Marijuana Lobbyist The Marijuana Lobbyist Posted by CN Staff on July 17, 2007 at 17:20:26 PT By Betsy Rothstein Source: The Hill Washington, DC -- So this is how he is: The chief lobbyist for the Marijuana Policy Project has short, clean-cut blond hair, and wears crisp, dark suits and conservative red-and-blue patterned ties. There is not a hint of dope pusher about him. He’s 28, married with three children, and possesses a boyish face, easy laugh and driven demeanor. He doesn’t even have a tattoo.And his office? Downtown Geekville. His desk is neat and tidy. Volumes of Riddick’s Senate Procedure and Deschler-Brown Precedents of the U.S. House of Representatives are displayed prominently on it. Like other buttoned-up lobbyists, he dines at locales such as Bistro Bis, The Monocle and Sonoma. His only nod to liberal living is that he lives in Takoma Park, Md., a hippyish community where people stick anti-war and “Impeach Bush” cardboard signs in their front lawns. Last week, Showtime aired “In Pot We Trust,” a documentary that shines light on Washington’s marijuana lobby by spending days with Houston and four chronically ill patients who rely on marijuana but are tripped up by federal narcotics laws. The youthful lobbyist walks the halls of the Rayburn House Office Building and has a chance encounter with the chief opponent of the marijuana lobby, Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.), who closes a door on him. Souder insists there is no such thing as medical marijuana. Houston also has hugfest encounters with lawmakers who support the cause, such as Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Sam Farr (D-Calif.). Houston lobbies for the Medical Marijuana Amendment, which would stop the federal government from interfering with state medical marijuana laws. The bill would end Drug Enforcement Administration raids on medical marijuana patients; it does not prevent arrests of those using marijuana for non-medical purposes. So far 12 states have legalized the use of medical marijuana with 163 lawmakers backing the amendment last year. Another vote is expected next week. There is much work to do and many lawmakers to sway. Houston is on a personal crusade. His father has prostate cancer. His grandfather has had it, too. His aunt had breast cancer and died of lung cancer. He once lived with his grandmother who has Alzheimer’s disease. Houston says medicinal marijuana helps block the plaque that leads to Alzheimer’s.The film does not address Houston’s recreational use of marijuana, so I will. He first smoked pot at 16. “I don’t think there is a single college student in this country who didn’t use it,” he says. He was growing up in Denver and spent his summers working in a landscaping job. The crew smoked pot and “did very, very little work.” He won’t say whether he still uses pot. “I don’t really like to answer that question,” he says. Hmm, wonder why? He adds, “When the president comes clean about his record, I’ll come clean about mine,” although he also says President Bush, with his Nixonian low approval ratings, is not an ideal role model. These days, at least in public, Houston’s drug of choice appears to be coffee. He sips constantly, and seems to have caffeine twitches.He describes his motivation: “I was attracted to this job because I wanted to use my skills not to work for personalities but to work for issues to help people directly. I think it’s reprehensible that we’re arresting and raiding sick people. It’s a moral outrage. “I am very impressed with how many members take this issue deadly seriously.” But he is also used to people laughing and cracking jokes about marijuana use, and suggesting it is “so people can get high.’” Still, he meets and talks to lawmakers and gets invited to many of the big-ticket events, such as last month’s President’s Dinner at the D.C. Convention Center, a Republican reception. Many GOP lawmakers were there; Houston reports that they often tell him, “I think the libertarian side of me agrees with you.” Even Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), a conservative, voted with the marijuana lobby last year, Houston notes. “The chief challenge is helping politicians realize that this is not at all politically risky. I talk to a lot of members. The members don’t always realize that.” To that end, the Marijuana Policy Project has brought on former GOP Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) to help lobby the tougher members of Congress. Houston says working with Barr is wonderful: “I have a great deal of respect and admiration for Bob Barr. Some people hate him. People who are contemptuous of him are happy he’s lobbying with us. Even if they don’t like what he did in Congress, they still realize the potency of somebody like him coming to them and saying, ‘You should take another look at these issues.’” Houston and his wife watched the Showtime film with their children: a 7-month-old son, a 2-year-old daughter and a 5-year-old son. “They wanted to see Daddy in the film,” Houston says. The marijuana lobbyist told his 5-year-old that pot is a “medicine like any other drug.” What will he say in years to come if his children want to use it recreationally? “We don’t use drugs unless we need them,” he says, mimicking what he’d say. “Marijuana is not good for developing minds.” “In Pot we Trust” airs again on Showtime tonight at midnight and Thursday at 6:45 p.m. It airs on “On Demand” until Aug. 6. Showtime: In Pot We Trust: http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/20070611inpot.doSource: Hill, The (US DC)Author: Betsy Rothstein Published: July 18, 2007 Copyright: 2007 The HillContact: aleisele thehill.comWebsite: http://www.thehill.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Patients Seeking Pot Relief Blocked by Dopey Lawhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread23165.shtmlSmoked Outhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread23164.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #89 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 21:29:01 PT Taylor121 Most of us go to a family gathering each year and sometimes more then one. When we do we personally take the time to talk rather openly during dinners about some issue about marijuana and people listen. It shocks sometimes but done with sense they even smile and seem to understand. That is a good place to start with what I call private activism. I think that can cause a ripple effect. Also when we represent an issue we should remember our actions speak louder than words so know you are being judged by those who don't understand and that can be a good thing. [ Post Comment ] Comment #88 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 21:21:15 PT museman I agree. [ Post Comment ] Comment #87 posted by museman on July 20, 2007 at 19:03:12 PT in the meantime "Either way, we should all work together, regardless of political affiliations or other issues, and legalize this substance for adults."Point of agreement. [ Post Comment ] Comment #86 posted by whig on July 20, 2007 at 18:57:36 PT Taylor121 And I want to reiterate, support for medical marijuana means the public does not want marijuana illegal, just restricted in some ways perhaps. [ Post Comment ] Comment #85 posted by whig on July 20, 2007 at 18:55:45 PT Taylor121 "If I was talking about medical marijuana I would have indicated it. I meant legalizing marijuana similarly to how alcohol is legal, for adults for recreational purposes."Yes, and if you do that then you still haven't ended the drug war. So there's a lot of ground to cover, but the public supports medical marijuana overwhelmingly, and beyond that I think the SAFER approach being taken in Colorado is a good one. [ Post Comment ] Comment #84 posted by Taylor121 on July 20, 2007 at 18:34:08 PT A response. "No, you are wrong. 80% plus of the public wants medical marijuana legal. But if this were not true, you would not change things by going around and bypassing public opinion, you should instead work to change public opinion."If I was talking about medical marijuana I would have indicated it. I meant legalizing marijuana similarly to how alcohol is legal, for adults for recreational purposes. The organizations I have listed all for the most part talk to the press and talk to others in order to change opinion. LEAP goes around and speaks to chamber of commerce and roadery (sp). MPP speaks to newspapers and does radio interviews as well as runs TV ads. NORML organizes campus events and concerts. These organizations are working to change public opinion, but the government spends 100+ million a year demonizing marijuana on tv. We have to counter this propoganda. In the end we need a comprehensive approach. Talking to others DOES HELP, don't misunderstand me. If you are going out talking to others that don't support marijuana legalization, you are doing a huge service and and engaging in direct activism. I was talking about the old saying "preaching to the choir". If you are sitting around and smoking pot with friends that all support legalization and you say "Hey pot should be legal" and your friend says "I agree" that does almost nothing to help our cause. Public opinion MUST be changed, I'm with you 100%. So how do we do that? Talk to others, support organizations to get in the press that thousands to millions of Americans read and watch, run tv ads in strategic states, etc... Alot of this requires money. If it doesn't require money, it requires time. Either way, we should all work together, regardless of political affiliations or other issues, and legalize this substance for adults. [ Post Comment ] Comment #83 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 17:47:35 PT museman You really know how to say it like I see it. I can't do that. You have a special gift and thank you for sharing it with us. [ Post Comment ] Comment #82 posted by museman on July 20, 2007 at 17:19:43 PT facts and opinions There is much more to this 'reality' than mere materialism. There is greater power than the government -although faithless people can neither see nor access it.There are core solutions, and temporary fixes to every issue that can be raised. Some may focus on the temporary, while some may focus on the long term. Some may be satisfied to 'gain a little ground,' while others won't stop until it is all gained back.Disagreement often (not always) has to do with prideful thinking that 'your way' is the only way. Success has to do with including every possibility, even if persons who present them don't measure up to other 'personal, and traditional' standards.Activism, if limited to media recognition as validation, would be sadly extinct. Judging not, also means not giving credibility to those who feel that they have a 'right' to judge.This world of humanity, involves many colors, many ways, many eyes looking for the same things, but in just as many perspectives. The giving of special power and placement to any one group of humans is a gross mistake. Yes, it's already been done for thousands of years, but that alone is no excuse to keep perpetuating it if there is another option.Anyone who claims there are no other options, is just not looking outside their comfortable boxes, not paying attention, or just has major mental malfunction.Cannabis prohibition is a crux issue, one involving basic human rights, and personal liberties. Any positive legislation towards sanity is a good, and needed step, but unless someone keeps their focus on the cause of the disease, treating the symptom will only lead to further complication.The core cause is the flawed system that is composed of corrupted human beings who have set themselves apart through exploitation, force of arms, meanness, ruthless treatment of others who get in their way, and a general rotten spirit of greed and materialism. They have blatantly revealed themselves and their values, because they have also constructed attending false values, and invented a status quo that serves their purposes, setting entire populations in competition, and class division.There is reality, and there is illusion. What is made by God is real, what is made by man is at very least, second-best, at most and in general just vanity and illusion. Particularly the intellectual constructs of man -like politics. Much ado about nothing. Empty of actual content though full of bluster and noise.It matters not in the long run, except to the spirits and souls who make their decisions, and live lives accordingly, because ultimately man is not the owner of this reality, and I heard through the grapevine that the owner was on his way back.In the meantime we do what we can, and suffer needless criticisms from short-sighted, narrow minds that are unable to see from behind their defences, and who apparently do not know their friends from their enemies. Ah well, such is life. [ Post Comment ] Comment #81 posted by whig on July 20, 2007 at 16:49:17 PT Taylor121 "You understand the majority of the public wants marijuana illegal right? If we want to change things, we need to be in the media, and we need to have organizations that help us. If you think you can accomplish these goals without any money, I would love to hear how."No, you are wrong. 80% plus of the public wants medical marijuana legal. But if this were not true, you would not change things by going around and bypassing public opinion, you should instead work to change public opinion. [ Post Comment ] Comment #80 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 16:14:30 PT Taylor121 The activism that is done by many people is private. Talking to people and sharing your views with others is activism. The more mainstream that talking about marijuana becomes the easier it will be for people to see and hopefully understand. Then the people will be able to approach their representatives or write a letter or make a video and spread it around. [ Post Comment ] Comment #79 posted by Taylor121 on July 20, 2007 at 15:48:16 PT FoM "I believe each person that cares needs to approach the war on marijuana the way they feel that they can help. It would be nice if someone would make a group of people that are made up of Democrats but I haven't found one. I know it might take until we have a larger number of Democrats in power to get anything important accomplished so that is why I look towards the 08 election and hope that it will happen."The problem is sometimes people think they are helping when they really aren't. Complaining to your friends that already support legalization while you are smoking pot practically makes no difference. If all the friends went and called their Congressmen and donated a 10 bucks to a reform organization of their choice, it would accomplish something. The fact that some people here can't unite with Republicans, Independents, and Libertarians for this ONE issue frightens me that we won't ever succeed because of pointless bickering. I would say FoM has done her part just by creating this site so it creates a forum, but I would say the vast majority reading this site have done jack crap for reform, and the sad thing is somehow they probably justify it to themselves. [ Post Comment ] Comment #78 posted by Taylor121 on July 20, 2007 at 15:44:18 PT whig "Do you know how large a voting bloc we represent now?We're just getting organized here. You can go and sponsor a politician if you like, but this isn't about money. This is about returning our government to the people of this country. " How large of a voting bloc do you think we have? Roughly 20 million regular marijuana smokers (that's not conservative at all) and how many total Americans 200 million? It's not about money at all? It's not about the organizations that support legalization not having the funds to change public perceptions? You understand the majority of the public wants marijuana illegal right? If we want to change things, we need to be in the media, and we need to have organizations that help us. If you think you can accomplish these goals without any money, I would love to hear how. Many of the voting bloc you would normally cite, even among the current users, wouldn't even vote for a candidate solely on their position of marijuana legalization. So what kind of voting bloc do we really represent and how can we change this? [ Post Comment ] Comment #77 posted by Dankhank on July 20, 2007 at 13:20:48 PT emachine I have a new emachine W3615 with DVD burner and it works good, now.It is a combo of things that make burning DVDs easy.first, need a newer machine with DVD burnersecond, need a program that converts formats to the DVD format, basically .vob, .ifo, and .bup files within folders called "Video_TS", "Audio_TS", and a "desktop" file.I found a shareware program called "dvd santa" that will convert avi, mpegs and says a lot more. It is supposed to burn the converted files but didn't recognise my drives so I burned to the DVD using a program called BurnforFree that will burn CD/DVD and is ... free.explore a DVD disc and you can see them. funny, sometimes there are no files in the Audio_TS folder but it is there so I copy it just to be safe.The new machines have Vista, so try to get 2G RAM, I have only 1G and it is OK, but I will upgrade RAM soon. New out of the box, Vista uses 500Meg for native processes. to test the process, I used a file that I have had for years, the .avi of the movie "Grass."I have copied that file from machine to machine, about 4 or 5, and when I converted/burned it, it came out pretty good. not perfect but Very good.I have the converted grass files saved, so I can burn new copies at will.next will be Sicko ... [ Post Comment ] Comment #76 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 06:11:11 PT Dankhank I wish I could burn DVDs but this old computer gave up the ghost when it comes to making DVDs. I am glad this computer lasted as long as it has but the days of a new one are approaching and then I will be able to burn neat stuff again. I wonder if an e-machine would work. They seem cheap enough. [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 06:06:00 PT Taylor121 I believe each person that cares needs to approach the war on marijuana the way they feel that they can help. It would be nice if someone would make a group of people that are made up of Democrats but I haven't found one. I know it might take until we have a larger number of Democrats in power to get anything important accomplished so that is why I look towards the 08 election and hope that it will happen. [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by Hope on July 20, 2007 at 05:45:26 PT Taylor comment 70 You're right, I think. [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by Dankhank on July 20, 2007 at 00:04:01 PT good points ... Taylor121,I'm sure I can do more and will ... got a little lazy for a few months, but still talk a good game ... :-)Got my burners working overtime these days ...on a happy note, I finally found a program that will convert many video formats to standard DVD files and then use a free program to burn the dvd on the computer, and then they work in my dvd players, hooray ...Peace to those who would free the weed ... [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 23:36:24 PT 2006 was a good start The Don't Vote Republican campaign worked pretty well... [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 23:34:42 PT Taylor121 Do you know how large a voting bloc we represent now?We're just getting organized here. You can go and sponsor a politician if you like, but this isn't about money. This is about returning our government to the people of this country. [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by Taylor121 on July 19, 2007 at 22:11:26 PT Just briefly I feel so outgunned here. I think I'm the only person that speaks out here with my viewpoints. Some of you are out to change the whole government while I'm focusing on a narrower goal of changing cannabis laws, then worrying about changing the government (which will take the rest of my life and most likely won't happen). The two party system has been around since the beginning. Although I support changing that system, I recognize that it will be much easier to first change some of the harsher laws within the system we currently have, then worrying after the change about the fundamental structure of government and political parties/lobbying.The internet helps, but only if people here actually bother writing their Congressmen/women and calling them on the phone and politely urging them to consider legalization. Sitting within cannabis news/the internet discussing how bad the laws are only helps so much to the point that others may read it and agree. Action has to come from somewhere, and your Congressmen don't read these boards (more likely than not). I don't question FoM wanting to legalize marijuana, my point was to illustrate that there has to be more action and less talk within the reform community. Giving 10+ bucks a year to LEAP, DPA, MPP, NORML, SAFER, or whatever organization you agree with is what helps along with writing to your elected officials and writing to newspapers. At the VERY LEAST everyone should write their state and Federal officials about cannabis legalization 3 times a year.If you aren't doing any of the above, then you have essentially taken indirect action to change these laws by discussing things in cyberspace *assuming you even post, some of you lurkers out there I imagine have done absolutely nothing to change things yet silently nod that change needs to take place*, but have not DIRECTLY tried to make a difference. I just want more people to take direct action so we can get pot legalize for adults and we can move on to the next issue that needs fixing (and there are plenty of them). [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 15:18:54 PT FoM Here's a way to look at it. The actual city of Pittsburgh is vastly working class and blue collar and votes Democratic -- no matter what. So whoever controls the Democratic primaries controls the entire election. [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 15:14:01 PT FoM No, Pittsburgh is 5:1 Democratic. But it is a Republican HQ. The Democratic party in Pittsburgh is a political machine too, probably controlled by Henry Hillman. So that means between him and his wife they run both parties there. [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 15:13:02 PT whig Pittsburgh is a Republican city. I didn't know that. I think most big east coast cities in PA vote for the Democrats. Where I was from I don't think it was a big Republican area. I lived close to Philadelphia. [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 14:59:46 PT FoM Pittsburgh is the headquarters of the Republican party, I think. There are actually two factions, Elsie Hillman is a cousin of the Bush family and has been supporting them for decades. Richard Mellon Scaife publishes one of the daily newspapers and is a principal financier of the Republican movement. [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 14:56:19 PT FoM The people of Pittsburgh are terrorized. Just going to park your car in many downtown buildings like PPG center requires a security check of identity papers. [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 13:19:49 PT museman When we get our next president elected and as long as he or she is a Dem I won't pay attention because I will feel a sense of relief and that is what I want. I just want one party out and the other to have a chance. [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 13:17:00 PT whig Why would people in Pittsburgh fear a terrorist attack? They are only interested in the hot zones I think. They don't like NYC and DC but the rest of the country isn't an issue with them is it? [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by museman on July 19, 2007 at 13:12:03 PT FoM "You are saying your daughter isn't a republican or a libertarian and isn't pushing for republicans to listen to Greenpeace right?"No political affiliation, no, but if there are republican reps in South Dakota, she will be presenting the petitions to them. It is not the party that is considered, just the position. She is putting the Governor, and the fed senators and congressmen, as well as state reps, on the spot to create a state-run alternative energy program; windmills. Greenpeace is the sponsoring org. She would be doing some kind of activism anyway, that's just who she is.I find republicans quite offensive as well. The dems aren't making a very good impression on me these days either. The whole idea of a 'political party' has seen it's day if you ask me. Time to update the constitution, and the people's relationship to government. Time to infuse reality and common sense back into the mix. The people are going to have to do that without 'political' help. They are going to have to rise up and take collective responsibility, and stop delegating and abdicating their constituional authority to a group of fancy attired, well-groomed do-nothings who spend more time counting their bank balance, and planning ways to increase it, than anything else.I think people have almost been pushed to the brink, but there's this stinking argument for compromise that keeps rearing it's ugly head in the people's debates and discussions. When people realize that the errors cannot be stoppped as long as we allow the current powers to maintain them, and the people become easlily content with bones and scraps from the elite table of power that is law and politics. The errors deserve no compromises. Compromise with the truth is as far as I can tell, just another lie. [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 13:11:15 PT FoM - Transcript of video Mom, Dad, how long should I wait for you?Mom, if I'm at soccer practice, what if something happens? Will you come get me?There's no reason not to have a plan in case of a terrorist attack.Mom, if you're not home, should we go to the neighbors' house?And some extremely good reasons why you should.Can you tell me?Talk to your family about what you would do in case of an emergency.For more information go to www.ready.gov. [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 12:56:13 PT whig Can you tell me rather then watch the video? I can watch maybe 3 short ones a day and not worry but I save them for a video on Obama or a music video that I just must see since I am so restricted with my bandwidth. I only went over one time luckily. [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 12:52:04 PT museman That sounds like a good job your daughter has. You are saying your daughter isn't a republican or a libertarian and isn't pushing for republicans to listen to Greenpeace right? That's what offends me. Activists for a cause shouldn't be seriously active with a political party I think. That turns off people who aren't interested in that party's philosophy. [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 12:49:58 PT FoM I know you don't have a lot of excess bandwidth but this is a really short clip that is being shown in Pittsburgh just to show you how dark that place is in terms of its level of media control and terror.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCiTapOkCwo [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by museman on July 19, 2007 at 12:41:53 PT FoM In the general understanding, and image the word invokes, you are correct. My daughter's 'official' job title is 'lobbyist.' After she gathers petition signatures, she then presents them to the various South Dakota representatives. No money promises, or wining and dining the reps, just evidence of the will of the people -which all politicians (and political lobbyists) seem to lose sight of about 30 minutes after being "elected." [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 12:20:01 PT museman Working the streets for a cause isn't what I think of as a lobbyist but an activist. A lobbyist to me is a person who is in a political party and wants attention to their cause and will offer money. Maybe lobbyist means more then that but that's what I think when I see the word. [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by museman on July 19, 2007 at 12:11:27 PT lobbyists This topic is an example of one sided, biased, illusion based kiss-assing, in the allusion of effecting political action or opinion called lobbying. Though most examples of 'lobbying' are this. There are other more positive flavors. Ekim's example.And I have a daughter who is currently 'lobbying' for Greenpeace on the issue of global warming in South Dakota, but her efforts are all mostly with the people at street level. She recently set up an outdoor concert benefit event that was a huge success. She got so much support from the people, gathered so many signatures, the radio and tv media (local South Dakota) are now clammering for interviews. She gets a small stipend from greenpeace, which pays her bills, barely, and she works very hard every day at it.Come to think of it, in the orignial sense of the term 'lobbyist' -one who hangs out in hotel, and government lobbies hoping to get a word with the politician- my daughter is more of a 'parkist' -one who interacts with the people in a relaxed, un-pretensive manner during their recreational activities. I am willing to bet that her style is tons more effective than this guys'.Oh, and most of the 'people' that came to her events looked a lot like HIPPIES! OMG!In terms of ideal, and ideology, I do not agree a whole lot with the attitudes of Greenpeace, but I sure can recognize the importance of getting some action towards stopping global warming. Thus I feel that her use of a masters degree (to get the underpaid job of 'lobbying') in this way is pretty damn positive, and there is no possibility of pretense around my daughter. She also has a tendency to look a bit 'hip' in her style choices, hasn't slowed her down one bit. [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 11:45:26 PT whig We had to deal with the Steel Industry so that is why I say the people were gruff. Steel workers aren't that gruff in Chicago. We also had to deal with their big produce company and it wasn't pleasant. They get trucks full of Mexico's unregulated produce in that plant. Not to mention it is sort of known as a big drug moving place from Mexico. [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 11:37:39 PT FoM Pittsburgh's largest employer now is actually the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC). They are very orthodox in their medicine, and it's big business to them. I've talked to friends in Pittsburgh about medical marijuana and the consensus was that UPMC would fight it. I hope they will be persuaded by the medical evidence from California and other places. [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 11:27:46 PT Pittsburgh vs. Berkeley I've never been to Berkeley but I have been to Pittsburgh more then once. I think it's an industrial city and it is sort of dirty and people are gruff when dealing with them. In Berkeley it must be very different. [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 11:13:34 PT FoM I'm not sure I've changed much recently, though I made a pretty big change as far as moving a year ago. Pittsburgh was not a place where I could openly discuss cannabis with my doctors and nurses and friends and family, but here I can. [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by ekim on July 19, 2007 at 07:14:21 PT one example of helping the people talking about lobbyist -- my latest experience. Howard Wooldridge from Leap was coming into MI to speak to the Flint Rotary. So i emailed him as to weather he could stop by Kal for a interview with our local cable access station on Mon. After checking his schedule said ok. Just as luck would have it we were able to get Howard as a guest into the Kal Rotary -meeting the 150 attending Rotarians in the process while offering many Leap info. Then it was off to the cable access station for the interview, before going on camera the daily edition of the Kal Gazette was delivered -- on the front page was Gov. Granholms new sentencing guide lines on drug offences. Howard was visibly moved as he said the proposals were the most advanced he had ever seen offered by a Gov.. After doing the interview we contacted Kal biggest talkradio station about having Howard on as a guest -- Howard was on bright and early the next day --the station played clips of Howard's interview all day and today we awoke to hear the radio station playing a clip of the interview again. Howard has gotten calls from all over MI and doing interviews around the State. If anyone would like to hear what its like to have Howard speak his Kal interview is below- http://www.archive.org/details/MNLHowardWooldridge07-16-07.mpg more info can be seen at http://blog.leap.cc/ www.leap.cc/events [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by FoM on July 19, 2007 at 06:59:50 PT whig and museman Thank you so much. If I didn't care about marijuana reform why would I keep doing CNews? This is a 7 day a week 365 days a year commitment since late in 98. I don't receive any money for what I do so it really is a heart issue for me.PS: Whig something has changed in you and I love what I see. You're a good person. [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by whig on July 19, 2007 at 00:54:55 PT Taylor121 Do you think FoM isn't interested in ending cannabis prohibition?My opinion, for what it's worth...Lobbyists are the problem, not the solution. Some lobbyists are less bad than others, and from the perspective of our issue we'd rather have MPP than RJ Reynolds lobbying.What we really need is for the American people to be heard directly, not through paid lobbyists representing special interests and industries. This is why the Internet is such a powerful tool. [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by museman on July 19, 2007 at 00:30:13 PT money, lobbying, How is paying someone to to get a politician to pay attention to something -like getting 'funding' for common sense legislation, that as a so-called 'representative' the politician is supposedly already getting paid (and paid well) to do, anything but a scam, a con job, and ridiculous? [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by Taylor121 on July 18, 2007 at 21:20:45 PT I know I know you aren't interested in politics, but I thought you were interested in legalizing marijuana. [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 17:31:29 PT Taylor121 I don't know what he meant but I am not into lobbying. I am not interested in politics and would never consider living in the DC area. I would be happier in San Francisco. Politics aren't nice. I wish that no one could lobby any politician for anything. I wish that politicians would get people on their side by listening to them and acting on the majorities of the peoples wishes. [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by Taylor121 on July 18, 2007 at 17:20:49 PT Offering money What he probably meant is they can offer campaign contributions to keep people that favor marijuana legalization in office. [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 17:19:34 PT Taylor121 The man that was on In Pot We Trust said we can offer money too or something like that. That's what I am against. [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by Taylor121 on July 18, 2007 at 17:16:41 PT FoM "I don't believe in giving money to a person to listen to my argument. If I can't convince a person on the merit of the subject I believe in then money won't make any difference. Money means favors. I'm glad Obama has raised so much money but he said it shouldn't be like it is. Lobbyists have caused more harm then good as far as I'm concerned. The people should be the voice. We are the voice with the Internet. I don't just mean here on CNews but other forums on social issues where people care. Ordinary people will make the difference. Big government shouldn't be fed in my opinion. "You aren't giving money for someone to listen to your arguments, you are giving money to NORML and the MPP in order to have someone to present the argument since you can't fly out to Washington D.C.The people CAN be a voice through lobbying. You associate lobbying as bad because big businesses tend to lobby alot too, which I agree is problematic. However, non profit organizations lobbying through donations from the PEOPLE is different. [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 17:14:22 PT Taylor121 I don't believe in giving money to a person to listen to my argument. If I can't convince a person on the merit of the subject I believe in then money won't make any difference. Money means favors. I'm glad Obama has raised so much money but he said it shouldn't be like it is. Lobbyists have caused more harm then good as far as I'm concerned. The people should be the voice. We are the voice with the Internet. I don't just mean here on CNews but other forums on social issues where people care. Ordinary people will make the difference. Big government shouldn't be fed in my opinion. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by Taylor121 on July 18, 2007 at 17:06:48 PT Money and reform "I don't like how offering money to people to listen or change positions is anything more then a terrible way to get a politician to listen. I personally am not for sale. Reforming the laws on marijuana should happen because criminalizing it has been wrong and the laws need to be changed. It is the right moral decision to fix this bad law and politicians need to look at why they are against reform personally. I won't become like people in Washington. It's against my conscience."The way the system works is you have to register as a lobbyist, and someone has to pay a lobbyist to advocate for a change. You can't do anything without money. This is reality. Complaining on the internet about how the laws aren't right only goes so far. Putting words into action requires more. Our nonprofit organizations that lobby on our behalf have to have money to pay employees , do research, run ballot initiatives, etc... You can't convince politicians that this is a moral issue without money. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 14:17:31 PT Hair I remember the hair style that made me look like a poodle. LOL! Thank goodness straight hair came back in style now I just cut it myself. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:59:34 PT Hope Yes, and male barbers make men look like the same cookie cutter men. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 13:54:18 PT Whig, comment 33 Maybe that's why I've always liked the work of male hairdressers over females, for myself.I always thought it was because the men would allow me to look like myself, like I wanted to, and the women seemed to want me to look like them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:53:45 PT FoM Think about this, really. I mean, if my wife wants me to get my hair cut, I not only have permission, I have an invitation. So why not enjoy it? [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 13:21:39 PT whig You made me laugh. Thanks. There ya go! LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:16:02 PT Fashion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oudKFDpUlQ [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:11:08 PT Men and women hairdressers Okay, here's a thing I've noticed. Men give cuts that look good to men, women give cuts that look good to women. In general, I'd rather look good to women. So there ya go. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:07:42 PT haircuts I actually should get one soon. I don't mind, it's something I need maybe once every two months, and if I get a hair wash it's very pleasant too. There's something about a woman's fingers in your hair, even though I'm happily married and all. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 13:05:15 PT museman I think you should come see a city like Berkeley sometime. Hippies aren't unwelcome at all, because it's a stronghold and even if there are some Republican-types around (and there are) they are in the social minority and they know it.The thing is I don't know what you'd do in a city, any more than I know what I'd do if I weren't in a city. I think there should be some cultural exchange though. [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 12:42:49 PT "my sideburns get in my eyes" Now that made me laugh. I never imagined such a thing!Yes, flying through the breeze at any speed faster than a fast animal can carry you is unnatural.I got the most amazing coiffure on my "accidental mullet" recently, riding through the country side in a car with the sun roof and all the windows open. Yes, it was fun...but, my oh my, I had no idea that my hair could be arranged like that. It wasn't a mass of tangles, like I feared...but a very unusual, swirled comb over looking type thing in a perfectly neat looking crazy swirl over my entire head. Kind of like that guy in the commercial with the beard "comb over"...only it wasn't a beard. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 12:19:51 PT museman I totally agree with you. If I was stranded on a desert island and I had a choice between a republican and a hippie I wouldn't think twice about which one I wanted to be stranded with. The heart, it's the heart. [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 12:17:15 PT the last comment Was in reference to Hopes comment. Sorry. [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 12:15:00 PT FoM "Infiltrating them is not an option that we should completely ignore"Any option that gets results is a good option. The idea that it is the only way, is giving in to their falseness, and I for one challenge that assumption. The 'wise as serpents and harmless of doves' has nothing to do with compromising one's grooming choices for the sake of acceptable appearance. That's what they want us to think.This constant side-handed condemnation of lifestyle choices as 'unworthy' and 'invalid' because of the erroneous belief that Roman haircuts and Republic suits are 'more acceptable' by the unworthy powers and principalities is 'cutting off the nose to spite the face' even if social ignorance cannot see it as such. If a hippy cannot hope to have the same chance as a non-hippy, then none of the results are going to be acceptable in the long run. The associations made by the status quo are used by them as moral justifcation, and social mandate to create seperation, and condemn that which is different than the current lifestyle decisions of a select few.It is no longer 'politically' or 'socially' correct to refer to racial minorities by their prejudicial negative connotations. It's ok to slam the hippies though, because they are a 'politically correct' scapegoat, with no cultural icons marching for their 'equal rights.' Safe ground for bigotry and prejudice. The fact that the MAIN REASON the status quo hates 'hippies' is because they championed anti-prohibition from the git-go, seems to be missed by assuming that such things as appearance can actually make a difference in corrupt attitude, so if they can be discredited, so can all the greatness of their contribution. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 11:58:02 PT I Couldn't Resist Let it fly in the breezeAnd get caught in the treesGive a home to the fleas in my hairA home for fleasA hive for beesA nest for birdsThere ain't no wordsFor the beauty, the splendor, the wonder Of my... [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 11:51:51 PT Hope My one uncomfortable aspect to do with long hair, has to do with summer driving. I haven't air conditioning, so I have to drive with the window down. Without a hat or headband, those short hairs that ultimately break definitely get in the way. Now that I have stopped shaving as well, my sideburns get in my eyes. Driving is un-natural. It doesn't happen when I just walk. :-} [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 11:48:00 PT Museman comment 21 Would that we could just avoid and ignore the fascist b*******, but their "club" has the power to hurt others and is doing so and they are running on our money as well as their own. Infiltrating them is not an option that we should completely ignore.Which brings back the ugly image of Barr at MPP back to my mind."Gentle as a dove and cunning as a serpent". [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 11:41:08 PT "...annoying hairs getting in the way" Ooh.I made a terrible mistake a few months ago. Terrible. My long hair is fine and curly and very long. I wear it up or in a braid or pony tail most of the time. I've never been able to just keep it out of my way, hanging down, like so many people seem to be able to. It floats...it flies...it moves. It reaches out and attaches itself, and me, to stuff.Escaping single hairs tickling my face when I was working were driving me nuts. I should have used hair gel. Instead, in a moment of frustration and anger, I decided to snip a few back far enough to not tickle my face and neck when up. I don't usually wear bangs, but I was thinking just a fine fringe of maybe French type bangs. What ultimately happened was, I gave myself what I call the "accidental mullet". It will grow out...but I feel so stupid. [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 11:35:45 PT whig Well, I'm not quoting anything, but in general it has to do with not altering the natural 'God-given' aspects of our 'creaturehood' for the sake of personal or social vanity. The 'dreadhead' of the Rastafarian is an example of this. I never took any 'vow' and I can't tolerate (personally) dreads, but I do relate on some very primal and spiritual levels. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 11:30:50 PT Hope "We can talk to them, perhaps, without them running away at the sight of someone being different than they are. It does take a lot of bravery for the gentle sheep to disguise himself as a wolf so that he can move among them."I can see a backhanded logic, sort of, in that. However, the truth cannot be compromised if it is ever going to be held in higher esteem than the trumped-up, pretense, lies, and fake makeovers that are held as priority by such shallow beings. Why should they not have to view the stark reality that the rest of us deal with on a daily basis? Why should they get such special preference, that in order to get their attention you have to join their club? Coddling to this presumption gives them credibility that they don't deserve, and sheds false light and false devaluation on those who choose not to follow false leads.So by conforming to their standards of image -which is interpreted by them as 'truth' one denies the credibility of any other 'appearance.' In other words, you got to play their game, or they won't listen? Well F__k their 'game.' It isn't real, and neither are they. Is the truth so hard to deliver that it needs to be 'disguised?' Somehow I think that that is how we got into this predicament in the first place. [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 11:18:32 PT museman What is the vow of the Nazarene with respect to hair? [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 11:14:43 PT whig It's obviously different for different folks, personal choices of grooming and appearance have absolutely nothing, or at least should have nothing to do with what is in the heart and mind. There is a point where vanity becomes the motivation for personal grooming, and vanity can be invested in long hair, as much as short. Haircuts, for many is just the simplest way to deal with hair that could get in the way of 'job.' For me personally, it is simplest to tie back my long hair, rather than visit a barber every 2 weeks to keep it out of my face. That I should be judged, harrased, and persecuted because of that choice, is unconstitutional, immoral, and the root of greater crime than any they accuse me of by mere asssociation of my appearance to some bigoted opinion of 'proper grooming and attire'. To this day, cops still profile men with long hair, even though more 'crime' is being comitted by short hairs than long. This is social prejudice, and about as justified as cannabis prohibition is justified.I originally grew my hair long because of YSHWH, and the 'vow of the Nazarene' though I took no vow. For years I tried to tell folks that I wasn't a 'hippy' but I finally gave up.I do not look at appearances. I look at words and deeds. There are so many heroes, and deeds of true valour, generosity, and good works, that remain unobserved because they don't fit in with socially acceptabe appearance.I wear my hair proudly as a free man. Though I live in the most fascist country ever to exist, and sacrifice some luxuries for saner living, to me, it is a principle worth upholding, a symbol that never fails to make the statement, 'I am free.' Bond servants get uncomfortable when they are reminded of their economic and social slavery to the false status quo.But that's just me, and my choices. The length of one's hair does not mean anything, other than personal preference, or as a symbolic statement. Mostly it is about those annoying hairs getting in the way. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 10:58:28 PT Sometimes... I guess, like the sheep's clothing thing and when in Rome stuff, it really is so that we can get in there and deal with our enemies , disguised like one of them. They do it to us all the time. Witness the bearded and long haired narc.They think we are the "wolf"...trying to stop them from making so much money and filling prisons with innocent people. So, I think, in the case, we may be sheep in wolf's clothing. We can talk to them, perhaps, without them running away at the sight of someone being different than they are. It does take a lot of bravery for the gentle sheep to disguise himself as a wolf so that he can move among them. A very brave thing to do, in an effort to save other sheep from the wolves. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 10:48:59 PT museman I am a non conformist. I always have been that way. I was called a brat at times but that's not it. We should be able to be different. I am so thankful that we all don't look the same and act the same. The world would be totally boring..A friend of ours was at the VA clinic (liver transplant and stroke) and the nurse asked why his hair was long. He smiled and said because the girls like it that way and the nurse laughed. That was one way to get at the stereotypes that they try to make us clones of one another. Make them laugh! It worked for our friend. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 10:42:58 PT museman I don't understand the hair thing exactly. Maybe it's like the fact that I have facial hair, and don't really want to be troubled to shave every day. I just trim once in awhile and it's a lot easier to look presentable. But I don't really mind trimming it once in awhile. [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by museman on July 18, 2007 at 10:36:29 PT Almost cut my hair Actually, in 1993 I did. Left all 2 feet of it blowing in the dust on the Oregon side of the Nevada border. Kept it short for 3 years, attempting to infiltrate the status quo. Couldn't quite make the quantum leap into a suit and tie though, I get claustrophobic.Well for three years I experimented with socially acceptable appearances, but when I got busted for cannabis possession I just couldn't see the point anymore. Funny thing though, once the truth was out of the bag, all the neighbors got much friendlier.The cops didn't though, they got even meaner, specially since I beat them at their stupid game. They did leave me alone however, because they didn't want a repeat peformance in their kangaroo court- I guess the possibility of looking like the fools they are is actually quite a deterent for cops.So this article is saying, that in order to get the powers-that-be to acknowledge the truth about cannabis, one has to kiss ass, groom themselves to Roman standards of the 'upper crust', and bribe politicians with overpriced restaurants, and any other gifts you can afford. To be 'hip' is a status quo no-no.What's wrong with this picture?Oh that's right the preamble to the US Constitution doesn't specify which 'People' are people. Well no matter, our illustrious (not) politicians have it all figured out for us. Their 'class' is the superior class, the more worthy for their meticulous (and expensive) daily maintenance of misplaced hairs, and unwanted facial blemishes, and that my friends is the only 'acceptable' mode of behavior. It doesn't matter that under those 'clean' exteriors beat hearts and minds of cruel taskmasters, and perverted sex practices, or that the #1 priority for all US politicians is getting 'elected.' At all costs. War, death, and destruction follow them everywhere they go, but hey they look real good!A new sign needs to be placed over all the courthouses and legislative houses;"Abandon all truth, all ye who enter here." [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 10:23:24 PT Hope Maybe it's a woman thing because I feel just like you. You know don't mess with Momma. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 10:19:06 PT That's a start, Whig. How about Jay or David having the both of them on a show together?Something! I need something to at least lower my hackles a bit about Barr. It would take a lot for me to ever be able to trust him. First...he hasn't asked forgiveness for, what I believe, are literally, his crimes against American citizens and humanity, itself.By joining MPP he has wrapped himself in "sheep's clothing", but I still see his wolf eyes, fangs, and claws.By the way...my "raised hackles" and "bared teeth" and low "growl", are comparable to those of the canine shepherd and protector...not those of the wolf, who comes among the sheep, only to devour and destroy.Actually, I have a great deal of respect for the wolf. But it's the best way I can think of to describe what I feel about Barr. [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by whig on July 18, 2007 at 10:05:41 PT Hope Bob Barr should have a meeting with Willie Nelson, in the tour bus. [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 09:30:43 PT MPP isn't the problem. I don't suspect them of duplicity. It's Bob Barr. I haven't seen anything to make me think, for real, that Bob Barr has really changed. Show me something real, and maybe I'll change my opinion. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by Hope on July 18, 2007 at 09:27:28 PT Bob Barr He's the guy who got a vote of American citizens thrown in the garbage. A devastating thing to me. Not because it was about medical marijuana...but because it was a legitimate vote of the American people...and he threw it in the garbage like it was nothing.He's got a lot to undo. A lot.He's a monster in my eyes...and I haven't seen anything yet to make me feel sure that he still isn't that same monster who trashed the votes of American citizens.Just because he's in our "tent" doesn't mean that he should be trusted. I'm very leery of him. Speak to us, Mr. Barr. Speak to those that you trashed their sacred vote. Let us see what you really are and where you are really coming from, now that you have, supposedly, seen the light.If you've really seen the truth of the matter...what would be the problem in talking to us about your new understanding? [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by FoM on July 18, 2007 at 06:22:08 PT Taylor121 I don't like how offering money to people to listen or change positions is anything more then a terrible way to get a politician to listen. I personally am not for sale. Reforming the laws on marijuana should happen because criminalizing it has been wrong and the laws need to be changed. It is the right moral decision to fix this bad law and politicians need to look at why they are against reform personally. I won't become like people in Washington. It's against my conscience. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by Taylor121 on July 17, 2007 at 23:20:46 PT Sorry but MPP is pro reform "I call bullsh*t. Politicians are masters of knowing what folks want to hear. They are constantly being informed of various poll results by their advisors. Besides, I am very suspicious of anyone who works with Bob Barr."The majority of Americans want medical marijuana legal, but at the same time the ones that don't want it legal strongly support their position and are usually Republican. Politicians know this and realize that most people don't vote for a candidate over one issue, so they still fear voting for it since they feel like there is no sense in risking their position over pot (if they are being elected year after year, why rock the boat?). It has to be shown that voting the ethical choice doesn't hurt them in practice.Keep being suspicious of the MPP if you feel you have to be, but then realize that they are the only organization with a full time lobbyist working to legalize marijuana on capital hill. Just wait and see, they will have a hand in it becoming legal. There is no MPP conspiracy; you are looking for something that doesn't exist. MPP's spendings speak for themself. [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by FoM on July 17, 2007 at 19:44:39 PT MikeC Thank you. It's posted now.http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread23186.shtml [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by MikeC on July 17, 2007 at 19:01:25 PT FoM Here is an editorial from the "Star Tribune"...newspaper in Minneapolis. It seems to me that there is change in the air in regards to the medias view on Marijuana...for the good!http://www.startribune.com/coleman/story/1308806.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by FoM on July 17, 2007 at 18:11:28 PT RevRayGreen I hope with all his youthful vigor he doesn't get burnt. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by RevRayGreen on July 17, 2007 at 18:09:40 PT This kid will have a long career in sensationalized journalism, the hyperactive approach works. always thinking, walking with a purpose. [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by FoM on July 17, 2007 at 18:06:10 PT mayan I know we are on different pages on somethings but I agree with what you said.You said: I am very suspicious of anyone who works with Bob Barr. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by mayan on July 17, 2007 at 18:03:08 PT Oh, They Realize! “The chief challenge is helping politicians realize that this is not at all politically risky. I talk to a lot of members. The members don’t always realize that.”I call bullsh*t. Politicians are masters of knowing what folks want to hear. They are constantly being informed of various poll results by their advisors. Besides, I am very suspicious of anyone who works with Bob Barr. 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