cannabisnews.com: The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That
The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That
Posted by CN Staff on May 02, 2007 at 12:16:13 PT
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Source: SF Gate
USA -- Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening in the newly "greening" of America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored optimism. OK? I'm talking about, say, energy-efficient lightbulbs. I'm looking at organic foods going mainstream. I mean chemical-free cleaning products widely available at Target and I'm talking saving the whales and protecting the dolphins.
I mean yoga studios flourishing in every small town, giant boxes of organic cereal at Costco and the Toyota Prius becoming the nation's oddest status symbol. You know, good things. Look around: We have entire industries devoted to recycled paper, a new generation of cheap solar-power technology and an Oscar for "An Inconvenient Truth." Even the soulless corporate monsters over at famously heartless joints like Wal-Mart are now claiming that they really, really care about saving the environment because, well, "it's the right thing to do" (read: "It's purely economic and all about their bottom line"). There is but one conclusion you can draw from the astonishing pro-environment sea change happening in the culture and (reluctantly, nervously) in the halls of power in D.C., one thing we must all acknowledge in our wary, jaded, globally warmed universe: The hippies had it right all along. All this hot enthusiasm for healing the planet and eating whole foods and avoiding chemicals and working with nature and developing the self? Came from the hippies. Alternative health? Hippies. Green cotton? Hippies. Reclaimed wood? Recycling? Humane treatment of animals? Medical pot? Alternative energy? Natural childbirth? Non-GMA seeds? It came from the granola types (who, of course, absorbed much of it from ancient cultures), from the alternative worldviews, from the underground and the sidelines and from far off the grid and it's about time the media, the politicians, the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology. Here's a suggestion, from one of my more astute ex-hippie readers: Instead of issuing carbon credits so industrial polluters can clear their collective corporate conscience, maybe, to help offset all the damage they've done to the soul of the planet all these years, these commercial cretins should instead buy some karma credits from the former hippies themselves. You know, from those who've been working for the health of the planet, quite thanklessly, for 50 years and who have, as a result, built up quite a storehouse of good karma. You think? Of course, you can easily argue that much of the "authentic" hippie ethos -- the anti-corporate ideology, the sexual liberation, the anarchy, the push for civil rights, the experimentation -- has been totally leached out of all these new movements, that corporations have forcibly co-opted and diluted every single technology and humble pro-environment idea and Ben & Jerry's ice cream cone and Odwalla smoothie to make them both palatable and profitable. But does this somehow make the organic oils in that body lotion any more harmful? Verily, it does not. You might also just as easily claim that much of the nation's reluctant turn toward environmental health has little to do with the hippies per se, that it's taking the threat of global meltdown combined with the notion of really, really expensive ski tickets to slap the nation's incredibly obese butt into gear and force consumers to wake up to the gluttony and wastefulness of American culture as everyone starts wondering, "Oh my God, what's going to happen to swimming pools and NASCAR and free shipping from Amazon?" Of course, without the '60s groundwork, without all the radical ideas and seeds of change planted nearly five decades ago, what we'd be turning to in our time of need would be a great deal more hopeless indeed. But if you're really bitter and shortsighted, you could say the entire hippie movement overall was just incredibly overrated, gets far too much cultural credit for far too little actual impact, was pretty much a giant excuse to slack off and enjoy dirty, lazy, responsibility-free sex romps and do a ton of drugs and avoid Vietnam and not bathe for a month and name your child Sunflower or Shiva Moon or Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. This is what's called the reactionary simpleton's view. It blithely ignores history, perspective, the evolution of culture as a whole. You know, just like America. But, you know, whatever. The proof is easy enough to trace. The core values and environmental groundwork laid by the '60s counterculture are still so intact and potent that even the stiffest neocon Republican has to acknowledge their extant power. It's all right there: Treehugger.com is the new '60s underground hippie zine. Ecstasy is the new LSD. Visible tattoos are the new longhairs. And bands as diverse as Pearl Jam, Bright Eyes, NIN and the Dixie Chicks are writing anti-Bush, anti-war songs for a new, ultra-jaded generation. And, oh yes, speaking of good ol' MDMA (Ecstasy), even drug culture is getting some new respect. Staid old Time mag just ran a rather snide little story about the new studies being conducted by Harvard and the National Institute of Mental Health into the astonishing psycho-spiritual benefits of goodly entheogens such as LSD, psilocybin and MDMA. Unfortunately, the piece basically backhands Timothy Leary and the entire "excessive," "naive" drug culture of yore in favor of much more "sane" and "careful" scientific analysis happening now, as if the only valid methods for attaining knowledge and an understanding of spirit were through control groups and clinical, mysticism-free examination. Please. Still, the fact that serious scientific research into entheogens is being conducted even in the face of the most anti-science, pro-pharmaceutical, ultraconservative presidential regime in recent history is proof enough that all the hoary hippie mantras about expanding the mind and touching God through drugs were onto something after all (yes, duh). Tim Leary is probably smiling wildly right now -- though that might be because of all the mushrooms he's been sharing with Kerouac and Einstein and Mary Magdalene. Mmm, heaven. Of course, true hippie values mean you're not really supposed to care about or attach to any of this, you don't give a damn for the hollow ego stroke of being right all along, for slapping the culture upside the head and saying, "See? Do you see? It was never about the long hair and the folk music and Woodstock and taking so much acid you see Jesus and Shiva and Buddha tongue kissing in a hammock on the Dog Star, nimrods." It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie junk no one believes in anymore. Right? Mark Morford's column appears Wednesdays and Fridays in Datebook and on SFGate.com. Source: SF Gate (CA)Author: Mark Morford, SF Gate ColumnistPublished: Wednesday, May 2, 2007Copyright: 2007 SF Gate Contact: mmorford sfgate.comWebsite: http://www.sfgate.com/CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #330 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 08:28:57 PT
Smoke and a Fifth
Did you get what I was laughing about, FoM? Your record was about "smoke" and mine was about a "fifth". Which made me think of booze. Smoke and a fifth of Beethoven.It wasn't that funny... and it's kind of stupid...but I was afraid you didn't get why I thought it was funny.
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Comment #329 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 21:26:53 PT
Hope
Long hair music! That's good.
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Comment #328 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 21:20:33 PT
The first forty five that I ever had
was bought at a record store that would sell records they hadn't sold for like 12 cents a piece. As I remember, it was Save the Last Dance for Me. Which was really a cool song.My little brother bought one at the same time that I just hated. It was a Rockabilly record called Dig Them Squeaky Shoes. He loved it though. He kept it hanging on the wall in his bedroom. It fell and broke one day and he blamed me for it because he knew I didn't like it. But, I promise...I didn't. But I was glad.
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Comment #327 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 21:16:06 PT
Lol!
That's funny. Especially, I think, that my first record ever was an album. Beethoven's Fifth!I think that's what it was. When I was probably about nine years old, we had recently moved to a new rent house in Fort Worth and it came in the mail, apparently to someone who lived there before or maybe it was left there in a storage room and still unopened. I remember that it was new and unopened, though. We didn't have a record player that would play it...but I treasured it and kept it for years and years...and of course eventually had a "Hi-Fi" that would play it.That's so funny. Your first one was Smoke Gets in Your Eyes and mine was Beethoven's Fifth. That just strikes me as so funny. I'm tired, though.
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Comment #326 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 20:15:38 PT
Hope
The very first song that I wanted and my mom got for me was Smoke Gets In You Eyes. How funny now that song title sounds anymore.
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Comment #325 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 19:35:48 PT
Wooly Bully
was one of my forty fives when I was a kid. So obviously, I liked it, too. Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs. "Watch it now! Watch it!":0)
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Comment #324 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 17:37:47 PT
Hope
I guess the words everyone was singing weren't in Louie Louie. LOL!It was so out there it got a lot of attention. The things you learn over 40 years later!
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Comment #323 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 17:16:27 PT
Hope
I loved Wooly Bully but have no idea what it was about. We had Louie Louie in our Wurlitzer Jukebox in our cafeteria at catholic school. It took the Nuns awhile to figure out the words and that one got pulled! LOL!
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Comment #322 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:51:44 PT
Never heard anything risque in Louie Louie
Wooly Bully? What was that about?
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Comment #321 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:49:28 PT
I've always been one to take things at face value
without trying to figure out any hidden meaning.I really thought Bob Dylan's Everybody must get stoned...was about people being mad at you. I did. I know. It sounds impossible. But it's true. There's no telling how many times I visited fancy head shops in malls and thought they were really cool and I didn't have a clue. Not a clue! I just didn't give it much thought. Rolling papers and pipes meant tobacco to me. Yes, I saw the fancy glass work...and carburetors and all...but it still didn't get through to me because I didn't know what any of that was about. But after I knew...it was a whole different deal. "They'll stone you when you're walking down the street." Dirty looks?
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Comment #320 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 16:25:09 PT
Hope
Meaning are so different for different people when it comes to a song like Puff the Magic Dragon. It's all in how you see it when you listened to it years ago. I never figured out what Stairway to Heaven meant. I tried and tried. I don't think 2001 a Space Odyssey
was made for people who used LSD but that's what many people did when they went to see it I read.
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Comment #319 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:23:42 PT
If they can pull this off...it would be great.
Maybe. They would, no doubt, be a very wealthy county...the new "Wine Country"...but that might make some old timers sad. It would certainly make land there very valuable...I'd think. They could probably learn to live with it. Just think of the schools and hospitals they could build.http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n977/a05.html?397Supes Mull Letter Of Support For Legalizing Marijuana
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Comment #318 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:16:09 PT
Runruff
Museman, Have you been able to hear anything else about Runruff? I know you said he wasn't going to get to come home this month after all and that you hadn't had any contact with Mrs. Runruff, but I was wondering. This August has been on my mind so long now...that I think of him so often and that he should be home now. Of course, he was wrongfully imprisoned, but he was supposed to be home from the injustice by now.Do you think he will come back here and tell us about it...or can he?I'm so sad. At his age, this could be so traumatic. I hope he's ok...or as ok as he can be what with all his physical problems.Is he going to be on probation forever. I thought when you served your whole sentence there wouldn't be probation. It's so crazy.
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Comment #317 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:08:09 PT
Puff's Magic Wasn't Smoke
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n977/a09.html?397
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Comment #316 posted by museman on August 21, 2007 at 16:06:03 PT
FoM, Hope,
Yes,...yes. Correct deduction.
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Comment #315 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 14:53:13 PT
That is so cool, Museman.
A Blue Bird Duck Bus with a picket fence and a sweet color scheme. I like it!Are those the Ducks' team colors? The Ducks are a ball team, right?
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Comment #314 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 14:15:02 PT
museman
Is that your bus?
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Comment #313 posted by museman on August 21, 2007 at 14:05:33 PT
Duck Bus pictures
The 'Duck Bus'http://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/Busfront2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside1.jpg
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Comment #312 posted by museman on August 20, 2007 at 16:41:23 PT
Had Enough
I guess I'mn gonna have to put a picture of the bus up. And you guessed right about it.Disco was part of the well orchestrated plan to destroy the power and meaning of folk/protest/rock. And it totally destroyed one of my favorite bands the Bgees. That was worse than when I went away from the rainbow for a year, and when I came back, all my musician friends had gone dread, and couldn' seem to play music any more.Well, a good friend of mine once said, (with great psychedelic authority I might add) after a spectacular demonstration of random chaotic musical sounds from a group of almost total non-musicians one psychedelic Halloween night; "There is a difference between 'sound' and 'music.'"I would like to add that "There is a difference between fulfillment, and entertainment." Sometime in the mid-seventies the fulfilling aspect of the music got shuffled off stage right, and was replaced with "The Show."Never had much respect for the showboaters. Disco was all about the lights, the color, and the exhibitionism of wild, but choreographed dance. Alcohol played a major part as well.Nowadays, talent and skill take second seat to looks and appearance.
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Comment #311 posted by FoM on August 19, 2007 at 10:54:10 PT
Had Enough
I never liked Disco music. It made me think that the peaceful loving ways of people who smoked marijuana were being destroyed by cocaine fueled craziness. I stop listening to new music and stayed with what I liked. I do like many songs since those days but there isn't one in the disco category that I liked. I didn't want the world to go faster but I wanted it to slow down a little and for people to connect with each other and enjoy life and family.
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Comment #310 posted by Had Enough on August 19, 2007 at 10:47:15 PT
Disco Sucked
Disco Demolition Night
July 12, 1979, Cominskey Park, Chicago The night thousands of pissed-off, hard rock fans sent the biggest %uck-you in music history to every disco pus…more…http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disco+Demolition+NightThe era of disco ended in 1979 when an event called Disco Demolition Night, which was held at the Chicago White Sox stadium , quickly became one of the worst sports disasters of the century when disgruntled rock fans wrecked the stadium while racing to get the disco records burned and blown up.more… http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=discoDisco Demolition Night 25 yr AnniverseryPhotos, news articles, and general description of the night of July 12, 1979 when Chicago rock DJ, Steve Dahl and baseball promoter, Mike Veeck organized a ...http://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/index.htmlhttp://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/photos/index.html
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Comment #309 posted by Had Enough on August 19, 2007 at 09:49:07 PT
Duck Buses
I made that last post in super haste. After it was posted I figured I really didn’t understand about the Duck Bus. Note: Before I sat down to type that, I hesitated, thought to myself that I should do it later when I wasn’t having to rush off and had more time to respond, but I ignored that first thought and posted, came back later and saw how lame it can appear. I should always stay with my first thoughts… hindsight… 20/20…I’ll bet that Duck Bus is the bus you use for your studio; the one you have previously mentioned here and the bus you can see in your videos.Mistakenly I thought you were referring to a cheaply made plastic overpriced sports souvenir you came across somewhere. I just can’t vision you purchasing something like that, so take no offence. I didn’t intend to slam your studio version of the Duck Bus.At any rate the Duck Jokes still stand though…And Duck is still “what’s for dinner”!!!… ;)_*********more Duck Jokes:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=duck+jokes
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Comment #308 posted by Had Enough on August 16, 2007 at 14:21:22 PT
Ducks
DucksDuck Bus. Oooh Ahaa, spify, neato, cool man, cool. I’m greeneyed, got to go find a Duck Bus now.Do your Ducks do the Disco??? Do they run around flapping their wings with a spoon for up everybody’s nose??? Are they “Polyethylene Pam”???I didn’t think so.Duck Jokeshttp://iloveduckies.com/funnies/duckjokes.htmhttp://animalliberationfront.com/Games/Comedy/Duckjokeandmore.htmlhttp://danggoodjokes.com/ducks/http://www.gii.in/fun/yankee-lawyers-duck-and-the-old-farmer/Speaking of Ducks, every time I think I have my Ducks lined up in a row, they get all wambley and out of line then wander off someplace else……..(;-)_
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Comment #307 posted by FoM on August 16, 2007 at 13:48:07 PT
Museman
On the news they make all kinds of fuss over Elvis Presley's death anniversary. He died from drug and alcohol abuse. He was seen shaking hands with Nixon to help fight drugs. John Lennon had a message and he was murdered and we don't see much about him like we do Elvis. They've always been against people who think to the left of the right.
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Comment #306 posted by museman on August 16, 2007 at 13:33:36 PT
but seriously...
The thought has occured to me that the whole idea of 'reminiscing the '60's' and 'hippy nostalgia' has a dark purpose.The era referred to as 'the sixties' was a marked point, a turnstile in the process of achieving true freedom from Lords, and their 'bosses.'The people were coaxed into fighting the first American Revolution by the American aristicracy, and their bankers on the premise of liberty, but when the dust cleared, the same old rich people were in all the positiions of power.The constitution is constructed around the concept of
'elite powers' and makes very little concession for the non-elite. The first ammendment was a bone thrown to the masses, and the masters set their exclusive powers of 'law' (lawyers) against the people accessing their constitutional rights, and creating a beaurocracy that defeats anyone without the very resources that these thieves hoard and protect with their armed dogs.The Civil War was the second major attempt at freedom in America, but even that was fought under false pretenses, and freedom for the people lost major ground.There was the labor movement. Womens sufferage. The right to vote without being a card-carrying-member of of the local country club.Progress? Seemingly so, but not really, because all compromises were made within a system that was fatally flawed to begin with.There was a youth movement in the 20's and early thirties that was similar in a lot of ways to the sixties, but the 'depression' (a contrived set of circumstances by the major bankers who belonged to the elite society) totally destroyed that embryonic movement. Prohibition came about as one of the results of the status quo (social elite) attempting to disable American activism.And just as the next generation was coming of age, the social elite classes got together, funded Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin. The munitions makers, and the oil magnates -all related spiritually, and somewhat genetically to each other and the various rulers of the world, cleaned up on that war, and the Joes who fought and died were hailed as 'heroes' with much pomp and circumstance, memorial and flag waving. The plunder was so great for the bankers and such, that bigger bones of seeming material substance (the "American Dream") were given to the returning 'heroes' who were all screwed up in the head from the war, but afraid to admit it. So they tried to pass on their fake values to another generation. The 'war' was already set up, so that when our gerneration started to flex it's potential, they were ready for us.Vietnam polarized us in a way that the powers that be actually became afraid of our collective power, and eveything that could be done to undermine that potential was done.Most of my generation lost site of the spirit of what was truly happening, and bought into 'career, home,television, and SUV.'Every generation following has had their war, and their Hollywood productions of the American 'carrot on the stick.'The era of the sixties is now treated like it was a special, one-of-a-kind moment in history, and that it was the equivalent of a great big generational fart that we are all glad to have behind us.The fact is that the can of worms that has been opened, did not get the lid put back on it, even though most of my generation gave up a long time ago.The 'movement' of the sixties era did not 'go away' it just became more rooted in the few who did not sell out for materialism. Though the status quo would like to 'put it all behind' I'm sure, the Truth, once revealed never, never goes away.All the hype and replay of 'days gone by' -and very selectively at that- is just another excuse to not acknowledge the mistakes and the accomplishments, but to package the whole thing into a convenient box to set on the shelf and smile nostalgicly at.The Spirit of Truth lives yet in an other generation, and the circumstances my generation allowed to come about through sheer apathy and materialistic 'individuality' has made some of the historical truth of the recent past come home to roost.Life is not entertainment, it is movement of the now through infinite possibilities.
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Comment #305 posted by museman on August 16, 2007 at 12:17:17 PT
Had Enough
Hey watch it with the duck jokes, we're all ducks in this family. I got a bonifide Duck Bus called the "Autzen Express" which is the home field for the Oregon Ducks.(;-)
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Comment #304 posted by FoM on August 16, 2007 at 09:40:15 PT
Had Enough
You said: Duck!!! It's what’s for dinner!!! That's so funny!
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Comment #303 posted by Had Enough on August 16, 2007 at 09:26:02 PT
Bob Dylan Look-Alikes, Hippies Turn Out
Bob Dylan Look-Alikes, Hippies Turn Out for Mark Ronson Video ShootYesterday, the video for Mark Ronson’s remix of Bob Dylan’s “Most Likely You’ll Go Your Way (And I’ll Go Mine)” was filmed at Williamsburg, Brooklyn’s Art and Historical Center. Casting agents had placed an ad on Craigslist last week asking for willing extras, and those who showed up weren’t disappointed: The elaborate shoot involved a few Bob Dylan look-alikes, a crashed motorcycle, a hoard of camped out hippies, the Dap-Kings, a Seventies-disco club (and according to some reports, breakdancers and a gospel choir).more...http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/08/15/bob-dylan-look-alikes-hippies-turn-out-for-mark-ronson-video-shoot/**********Even the Disco Crowd showed up too. Probably not much use for them in here in this event unless it is to show how phony and plastic they were.I remember people saying Rock n Roll is dead, while discoing to the Duck. Well look who is still here...Duck!!! It's what’s for dinner!!!
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Comment #302 posted by FoM on August 15, 2007 at 12:20:31 PT
A Trip Down Memory Lane
CBS 2 Classic: Woodstock -- Aug. 15-18, 1969Three Days Of Peace And Music That Became Legendary(CBS) NEW YORK -- Woodstock was billed as three days of peace and music. Instead the four-day concert became the cornerstone for the counterculture of a “hippie” movement, helped develop musical events through present day, and changed the history of Rock 'n Roll. URL: http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/local_story_225151841.html
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Comment #301 posted by FoM on August 14, 2007 at 08:09:11 PT
Had Enough
I am so glad we got to see the Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's Freedom of Speech Tour. The message was strong and I will never forget it. I doubt they will ever play together again. Neil is doing a graphic novel about Greendale. I don't know what it is about but it should be interesting. Rumors are Neil is recording so I don't know what might come out of it but I hope he has at least one more tour in him and hopefully with Crazy Horse. If his health and age keeps him from Rockin' in the Free World he did a great job and he should be proud of his accomplishments. I know I am.Happy Birthday David!
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Comment #300 posted by Had Enough on August 14, 2007 at 07:48:54 PT
So you say it’s your birthday…
From Rolling Stone Daily Newsletter.TODAY'S BIRTHDAYS
David Crosby, 66 Ana Matronic of Scissor Sisters, 33 ******The Byrds wouldn't have been the same band without the
god-given vocal touches and innovative songwriting of David
Crosby. While he was helping to give California a sound tha ... Morehttp://www.rhapsody.com/davidcrosby******I'm happy you got to see those concerts FoM.
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Comment #299 posted by FoM on August 12, 2007 at 10:50:31 PT
Had Enough
Thank you. I know that the last show of the CSNY Tour David Crosby was having a hard time and Neil kept encouraging him to keep going. I know how much I enjoyed watching him sing Almost Cut My Hair.
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Comment #298 posted by Had Enough on August 12, 2007 at 10:20:50 PT
David Crosby Cancels Colo. Performance
LOS ANGELES (AP) - David Crosby has canceled a performance in Aspen, Colo., that was set for next week because he has the stomach flu.
Crosby, 65, was to be part of the "Lyrically Speaking" series hosted by the Aspen Writers' Foundation on Thursday. The event features performances by musicians who also talk about the songwriting process.
He will reschedule his appearance, his manager, Elliot Roberts, said Friday. Crosby, who received a liver transplant in 1994, performs with Crosby, Stills & Nash and with his son James Raymond
in the group CPRMore…http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070810/D8QUDCEO0.html******http://www.crosbycpr.com/http://www.crosbystillsnash.com/
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Comment #297 posted by Toker00 on August 10, 2007 at 09:09:56 PT
Yep.
What a gem of an article. I knew the Hippies were right all along. Thanks for sending me here. Tell Diamond RUFF! I understand about being stretched thin. It's a daily thing for me now too. My weekends are not weekends. They are overflow catchers. The next two months are the busiest of the year at our college. They pile me up with projects and I stay busy for the next six months digging out from under. You know.As a child my cousin lived next door and raised German Shephards. They were always Silver or Tan. I don't remember any black ones at all. They raised for sale. Those pups were so much fun! These dogs all grew to be humongous. I guess it was some specific strain of Shephard, but they were huge.Wage Peace on War. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #296 posted by Had Enough on August 10, 2007 at 06:09:37 PT
You Found It
Hey Toker, It’s really good to see you back here again.You say Elvis is doing well, cool. I take it Molly is your other Dachshund. Give them a scratch behind the ear for us.Thanks for asking about the family. Everybody is okay here, so far. I hope yours are as well. I saw in another thread about your son sending you a CD of his band, super cool!!!We got us a pup. A Black Lassie faced, female German Shepherd. She is really cool. Her name is Diamond. As in Black Diamond in the ruff. :)She is all black and beautiful, and she is a little monster, and we love every minute of it. We had a bout with roundworms. After spraying the yard and giving her pharms from the vet (I hate to admit it too), we finally cleared them up. I’ve been researching this stuff called food-grade Diatomaceous Earth. Link below.The girl we got here from is really, really cool. She has been breeding German Shepherds since the 60’s. She breeds for Quality, and not Quantity. This was her 20th litter. 10 pups, every one of them all black. She said that is rare. Most of the time only some are black, some are the other colored coats, and some are a mixture. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time for all this to come together. I have a feeling St. Francis might have been, watching over. :)3 or 4 of her litter mates are going to be used for breeding, about the same amount are going to be used for showdogs, and agility training, and one is going off to be trained for a cadiver recovery dog.She isn’t the dog I to put to sleep, but she is incredible in her own way, and she really likes people and other dogs so far. But you can tell she is going to be very protective, and I “pity the fool” who comes around here looking for trouble. She is very strong in mind and body, as a German Sheperd is... A test of strenth and wills, I love it… Very sleek and agile too, panther like moves at times.Within 2 days she was here, she found almost all the favorite spots Shadow/Eby used to hang out. I was amazed at that.**********food-grade Diatomaceous Earth link…http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=diatomaceous+earth+food+grade&btnG=Google+SearchThis is an old thread, not sure if you saw it or not, so I thought I would bring it to your attention…I’ve been really busy lately and its been interfering with my activity here. I’ve got people breathing down my neck wanting me to go do stuff. The problem is I have more stuff than I can do, and the more stuff I do, the more it costs, but I don’t seem to see much more of it. And speaking of which, it’s back off to the grind, to pay for the grid. The TELEPHONE rang again in the middle of the last paragraph.
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Comment #295 posted by FoM on August 07, 2007 at 10:44:26 PT
San Francisco: Summer of Love Anniversary Event
Over One Hundred Musicians Will Take the Summer of Love StageAugust 7, 2007SAN FRANCISCO, CA. (Top40 Charts/ 2b1 Multimedia) - Most of San Francisco's largest musical icons have agreed to perform at the Summer of Love 40th anniversary event. According to SOL producer Boots Hughston; 'The bill is impressive, hundreds of musicians have confirmed, come September 2nd San Francisco is in for a real musical treat. There are also several additional big name acts on the bill that cannot be advertised due to contractual obligations. Musicians are flying in from all over the world to participate in this historic event.' Complete Article: http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=34552
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Comment #294 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 11:18:39 PT
Hope
Too funny!
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Comment #293 posted by Hope on July 20, 2007 at 11:15:57 PT
What do hippies do?
Answer: They hold your leggies on.(Found that in an old dot to dot activity book around here.)
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Comment #292 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 10:41:07 PT
E-Mail from Toker00
He just e-mailed me and he wants to let us all know he is going to be a Grandfather! That is great. He said his computer is not going to work anymore so he will need to buy a new one. He can't even check us out here because he is on a company computer. He is ok and anxious to get back.
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Comment #291 posted by FoM on July 16, 2007 at 14:25:48 PT
Video: Neil Young, Ben and His Trains
This is one of the reason why I just love Neil Young.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UENULIH0Ks
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Comment #290 posted by FoM on July 16, 2007 at 09:27:37 PT
Barry McGuire
I didn't know where to put what I am thinking right now and here seemed the best place. With the Nuclear accident in Japan because of the earthquake I decided to listen to Eve of Destruction so I went and found a Youtube video (I can't watch bandwidth issue) but others might want to see it.Quake Hits Japan Nuclear Planthttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22085481-2703,00.htmlEve of Destruction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE
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Comment #289 posted by Hope on July 16, 2007 at 06:12:41 PT
Had Enough
When you said you'd sent plants, I knew exactly what you meant. Ivy, lilies, philodendron, schefflera, and so forth.But you are right about clarifying. I'm sure there are people who read here for no other reason than to hopefully catch us in some sort of "crime".
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Comment #288 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 14:55:58 PT
Had Enough
I understand what you are saying. When I use the word garden it worries me. They call marijuana gardens plantations now though! LOL! Aren't or weren't plantations in the south but not in California?
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Comment #287 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 13:54:28 PT
Clarification Please
To whom it may concern.The plants we sent to the family were Floral Plants from the flower shop. Not the plants usually discussed here on this website.
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Comment #286 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 13:25:49 PT
Memories
MemoriesLast minute rush to the grind delayed an hour. TELEPHONES!!! Ahhhh!!!Yes the memory will be good. But the one I will always think of is whenever he had been drinking, Shadow wouldn’t let him around his kids. It was really funny to watch and I used to tease him about it all the time. The dog wouldn’t let him in the fence unless someone else was there. When he wasn’t drinking he was still leery of the dog. The dog never bit him or attacked, but she just wouldn’t let him get near those kids. She would stand or sit between him and the kids, run between them to keep them seperated, sometimes bark at him. A sight to behold.His widow is a lot more upset than what it appears. I took her outside, away from the crowd for a while, and she cried her eyes out on my shoulder. I just let her have at it and let her get it all out, about as much as she could anyway.His second oldest son is 21, is having a hard time. It really shocked him. The widow was telling me this while we were away from the crowd. 15 minutes later he showed up and yes he was having a hard time dealing with it. It was really sad. Some of his friends gathered him up and went off riding around the mud holes with their 4 wheel drive trucks. It was cool to see the friendship shared by these youngsters; they were treating each other like brothers and sisters.
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Comment #285 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 12:34:25 PT
Had Enough
I'm glad you were able to get together and celebrate your friend's life. That will always be a good memory.
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Comment #284 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 12:25:19 PT
Thanks
It’s okay. It really is.But the widow isn’t doing well; neither are two of his sons. He had 3 sons and one very cute daughter; she is beauty pageant quality, although I doubt she will go that path. Bride cared for the 3 youngest ones for a while. Those are some of the kids I used to watch Shadow heard around, and keep in line.Since he found out he had cancer, Bride and I, and other friends had talked about how it wouldn’t be long before his time is up. How I found out about when he died is what got me.Around noon Friday I was dashing in and out, and got a phone call about him. His obituary was in Friday’s newspaper. He had died Sunday and had his memorial service Tuesday. And this was Friday. So we sent the widow some plants, and she called and told us the whole deal and said they were having a send off party for him at this small bar he liked.We went saw some old friends and celebrated his life until 4 am. Three more bars after the first one, the whole group made the rounds. Been a long time since I’ve done that. Not as young as I used to be.And as it is I got to go back to the grind. Sometimes I think these modern marvel technology gismos like this TELEPHONE were put here by the devil to plague mankind :)
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Comment #283 posted by Hope on July 15, 2007 at 11:29:52 PT
Had Enough
I'm sorry you've lost a friend.
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Comment #282 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 11:23:33 PT
Had Enough
I'm so very sorry. It's hard to lose our friends. We've lost more then I care to admit already. A song that has always brought me comfort is a song called I know you're out there somewhere.***I know you're out there somewhereSomewhere, somewhereI know you're out there somewhereSomewhere you can hear my voiceI know I'll find you somehowSomehow, somehowI know I'll find you somehowAnd somehow I'll return again to youhttp://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/moodyblues/iknowyoureouttheresomewhere.html
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Comment #281 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 10:52:14 PT
All Things Must Pass
In comment 133 in this thread I mentioned a friend who has cancer and probably won’t live much longer.Last night we attended a memorial for him.He died last Sunday. He was in his early 50’sWe gave him real good send off.
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Comment #280 posted by Hope on July 13, 2007 at 09:27:35 PT
"My, My. Hey. Hey."
Brother Neil is serenading my housework."My,My. Hey. Hey."Brother Neil is "here to stay".
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Comment #279 posted by museman on July 13, 2007 at 08:54:08 PT
music
For those who are in the neighborhood;My favorite band, 'RiverTrain' will be playing at the 'Jammin' on the Salmon' for 2 nights at the end of the month.RiverTrain is an oldies band that I play with. Quite different from my own stuff...often compared to the Grateful Dead. Fun.So we are scraping off the rust that accumulated while we 'slept.' Lots of scraping to do.Details when I have 'em.
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Comment #278 posted by FoM on July 12, 2007 at 20:09:59 PT
Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day
Mark Your Calendar -- The Mother of the Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Celebrations Will Be Held in Golden Gate Park on September 2nd 2007***Thursday July 12, 2007San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom Proclaims Sept. 2, 2007 Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day Next Update: August 1, 2007 SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom has issued a proclamation declaring Sunday, September 2, 2007, Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day in San Francisco. On that day, the 40th Anniversary Summer of Love Free Concert will take place in Golden Gate Park's Speedway Meadows between 10 AM and 6 PM. Mayor Newsom acknowledged the 60's movement in his proclamation which begins:
"Whereas, The Summer of Love in San Francisco is internationally recognized as the birthplace of the 60's revolution that ignited a spiritual awaking that swept the world..." The full proclamation including concert information can be found at www.2b1records.com/summeroflove40th.CONFIRMED ACTS INCLUDE (July 9, 07): Country Joe McDonald, Taj Mahal, Lester Chambers (from Chambers Brothers), Canned Heat, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Jesse Colin Young, Banana (from the Youngbloods), Jerry Miller Band (from Moby Grape) featuring Tyran Porter (from the Doobie Brothers) and Dale Okerman (from the Doobie Brothers), Michael McClure and Ray Manzarek (from the Doors), San Francisco's First Family of Rock (TBA), Brian Auger, Alvin Lee, Nick Gravenites Band with David Laflamme, The Alameda All Stars (from Gregg Allman band), Terry Haggerty (from the Sons of Champlin), Dan Hicks, The Charlatans, Essra Mohawk (from Mothers of Invention), Barry "The Fish" Melton (from Country Joe and the Fish), All Night Flight featuring David Denny (from Steve Miller), Jack King (from Cold Blood), Merl Saunders (supporting the event), Squid B. Vicious, Jim Post (Friend and Lover, Siegel Schwall Blues Band), Fayette Hauser and the Cockets, Terrance Hallinan (former SF DA) Ruth Weiss (Beat Poet), Richard Eastman (marijuana initiative), Lenore Kandel (Beat Poet), Paul "Lobster" Wells (MC), Dr Hip MC (Eugene Schoenfeld), Artie Kornfeild (Woodstock), Leigh Davidson (Height Ashbery Medical Clinic), Doug Green (MC), Chief Sunne Reyna, Iroquois Tribe, Dakota Tribe, Seminole Tribe, Emit Powell and the Gospel Elites. Many more artists are currently in discussion for appearances at the event. We are not able to pre-announce certain San Francisco heritage musicians that may have been listed previously due to their having other gigs within the usual 60-mile/60-day blackout areas.What began 40 years ago in San Francisco will be celebrated worldwide this summer. Other events across the nation and around the world are also honoring the "Summer of Love 40th Anniversary," including; Canada, England, France, Germany, the Czech Republic and in Monterey and San Diego, California. All these events recognize and support the principals of the 60's generation and the birth of the counter-culture.A web cast of San Francisco's Golden Gate Park 40th Anniversary Concert will be streamed throughout the day on the Apple QuickTime website.Pop artist icon Peter Max said, "I am so happy to see that a concert is being held in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Summer of Love. It's important there is a historical legacy to the message that this time period represents. We need to always celebrate the universal values of compassion, peace and love."Contact:
PRODUCED BY: 2b1 Multimedia Inc. and the Council of Light
415-861-1520 (PUBLIC CONTACT)
Summeroflove40th yahoo.com
http://www.2b1records.com/summeroflove40th
or
Lee Houskeeper, 415-777-4700 (MEDIA CONTACT)
newsservice aol.comSource: 2b1 Multimedia Inc.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070712/20070627006317.html?.v=2
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Comment #277 posted by FoM on July 11, 2007 at 07:06:54 PT
Links Mentioned on Live Earth
Worm Poop: http://www.terracycle.net/worm_poop.htmMethod Home: http://www.methodhome.com/Ed Begley, Jr. - Environment: http://www.edbegley.com/environment/
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Comment #276 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 20:13:33 PT
The Sundance Channel: The Green
We just watched a couple shows on this Sundance Channel and I thought others might want to check this out.http://www.sundancechannel.com/thegreen
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Comment #275 posted by FoM on July 09, 2007 at 06:25:02 PT
whig
No Problem. I removed the comment.
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Comment #274 posted by whig on July 09, 2007 at 01:41:40 PT
FoM
I think #258 isn't in the best taste on reflection and is off topic as well. Could you remove it?Wow this is a long thread!
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Comment #273 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:57:20 PT
UK: Tories Highlight Cannabis Dangers In Drug Blue
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n811/a01.html?397
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Comment #272 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:39:22 PT
Gore Glad His Son Is Safe, Being Treated
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n814/a07.html?397
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Comment #271 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:30:11 PT
Driving on frozen lakes...
I've had nightmares of such.
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Comment #270 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:27:50 PT
Pot As Public Policy
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n815/a03.html?397
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Comment #269 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:14:27 PT
Very cool!
Viewing C-News in High Contrast.
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Comment #268 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:45:43 PT
Hope
It is amazing that trucks can carry up to 60,000 pounds on a frozen lake. That has to be the most dangerous truck driving job ever. Lose power and your convoy and you won't live very long in those temperatures.
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Comment #267 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:37:59 PT
Ice and mountains and grades...
Don't need no ice. Don't want no grades.It's quite frightening.
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Comment #266 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:35:11 PT
Ice Road Truckers
Oh...my...gosh!I've watched it. It is sooooo Stressful!
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Comment #265 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:33:48 PT
"Would you please tell the Man...
I didn't kill anyone?" "I'm just trying to have me some fun.""Oh... "
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Comment #264 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:32:00 PT
Losing Bone Mass!
Hope that was so funny. Thanks for the laugh. We are watching this series on Sunday nights called Ice Road Truckers. These truckers haul freight on frozen lakes up to a diamond mine in Alaska. If you break through the ice it's all over. It goes down to 50 below. They show some of the truckers and how they live on the ice road for 2 months while it is frozen. I don't think they get paid enough money to do this dangerous job. Stick thinks they get between 3 and 4 dollars a mile.
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Comment #263 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:23:54 PT
Bandwidth
I can't even get the first page of that radio station web site to load completely without messing up and taking forever and still messing up.The radio is pretty good though.The computer has been unbearably slow all day.I'm sitting here losing bone mass as I wait for it to load.:0)
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Comment #262 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:20:53 PT
Maybe it's safe to turn it back on now.
I don't like him at all. That's the first time I remember hearing him on that station, and I listen to often.
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Comment #261 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:18:03 PT
I had to turn it off for awhile...
T. Nugent spoke and sang. Gag.Earlier I laughed at this one by Ray Wylie Hubbard. "Snake Farm".http://cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/hubbard-ray-wylie/snake-farm-17589.html
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Comment #260 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:13:20 PT
Hope
I don't know how much radio bandwidth uses so I haven't even listen to Rust Radio. I slowly am figuring out how much I can use but I check the stats on my HughesNet usage page and figure out what might have caused any increase. Once I figure it out I will use more but I am gun shy right now. I have barely used any recently. Maybe we'll all remember the days of isps and restricted bandwidth in a few years. It will improve I'm sure. Maybe wireless will be how it will work in the not to distant future for more people.
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Comment #259 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 17:56:55 PT
Willie Nelson just sang my tears....
and his...I think. It reminds me of my first marriage breaking up. It may remind you of Bob Barr, FoM.The song was, "The Last Thing I needed The First Thing This Morning".I laughed with "The Illegal Smile" song. It makes me smile. I think you... or some people can listen on line.It's a wonderful mix of music, I think.It's for mature audiences only.Lonestarmusic.com92.5
http://lonestar925.com/pages/main/
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Comment #257 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 14:07:22 PT
Tabs and Chords
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/tabs/allan-gary/what-would-willie-do-8339.html
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Comment #256 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 14:02:25 PT
"What Would Willie Do?"
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/allan-gary/what-would-willie-do-4299.html
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Comment #255 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 12:36:41 PT
Had Enough
That was a funny story about the raccoon. When I was a teenager my boyfriend shot a racoon and then found she had little ones. He gave me one and we raised him in our home. He went outside and followed us along with the dogs when we went to the barn everyday. We named him Rory Raccoon and took him to horse shows on a leash. He was really fun but when nature called he left but he brought his bride and children thru the farm to show us he was doing his thing and then we never saw him again.
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Comment #254 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 12:28:59 PT
Had Enough
Our cats have kittens but they don't live long. We've only had one kitten so far this year. We have a bobcat or something much bigger then a cat that must get them when they wander into the woods. We usually have 8 or 9 outside only cats and that number has stayed like that for years now. Sassy catches moles and now we don't have moles anymore it seems. Kaptin doesn't do much of anything but be a Rott. LOL!
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Comment #253 posted by Had Enough on July 08, 2007 at 12:07:15 PT
Cats
These cats that invaded here were strays. I noticed one person started leaving food out for them. Next thing you know there were about fifty of these cats running around. Not one of those cats ever went to the vet for shots or anything else. They just roamed wherever they thought hey could, and had litter after litter after litter.A girl who lives next door to us has a fishpond in her back yard with some exotic goldfish in it. These goldfish were about a foot long and those cats ate them. She got a trap and started catching them and calling the animal control people to come and get them. The animal control people would spay & neutered them, give them proper vaccinations and release them in appropriate areas. Some are adopted out if they are tame enough. She caught so many the animal control people asked her to slow down for a couple of weeks because they were overloaded with cats, not just hers but from others in the county too. That was about 2 months ago, and she got most of the cats anyhow. Since there is a dog around again the remaining cats keep their distance.She also caught a raccoon in that trap. Boy was that coon pi$$ed. 2 cops behind my house released it. I was using the computer and looked out the window and saw 2 cops and her standing in the back yard. When I got out there and saw what was happening I couldn’t help but chuckle. Man that raccoon was unhappy about the whole thing. One cop held the cage down and the other took this spring loaded telescoping baton out and used it to open the trap door. He held the door open and the coon stayed in the rear of the trap. The other cop who was holding the cage was talking about sticking his baton stick in the cage and poking it. Right about now I’m thinkin this is going to get interesting, people pay good money to see a show that can’t compare to this:) Well the other cop said to him “Don’t poke him it will just make him worse, and he told the guy to just back off and get away from the cage. He did and within seconds that coon came flying out of that cage, down the ally and up a tree. The whole scene was kinda entertaining. If that cop would have poked that coon he might have been in for a little surprise there.Before the strays came and multiplied there were 2 cats that neighbors let roam. These cats were taken to the vets for shots, spayed and neutered and were kind of cool to have around. We called one Garfield because he acted and looked just like the cartoon character. He would tease shadow to no end. He would jump up on the windowsill and do the waving of the tail thing. Shadow would go nuts. The cat knew he was safe as long as that glass was there. He would also tease her in the back yard out of harms way one the other side of the fence. I used to get a kick out of it. Shadow would bark and look at me and paw at the gate for me to open it so she could go chase the cat.Another cat from across the street called Sylvester used to tease her too. These cats quit roaming when the strays came, and stay close to home now. Garfield belongs to the girl who trapped all those cats, and she keeps him inside now. Those 2 cats kept the mouse population under control too.Toker00. You might be right about the “Texas Flood” thing.Now here’s’ how you do the blues..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAxLgGVRV64Stevie Ray Vaughan - Texas Flood
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Comment #252 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 10:14:52 PT
Had Enough
I am so glad she is working out for you. I'm not sure how long I could be without at least one dog. We have outside cats but I am not a cat person. We feed them and water them and they keep mice away. I haven't seen a mouse around here in years. As far as Toker00 goes he said he was getting a cable hookup on Friday and I thought he'd post. Maybe because of all the flooding in Texas the cable installation got put back a little or something.
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Comment #251 posted by Had Enough on July 08, 2007 at 10:07:07 PT
Puppy
FoMYou asked about the puppy in another thread.She is doing fine. She has a lot of drive and determination, very strong willed. Her body is developing very well; she weighs about 40 pounds now, and is getting very strong.She likes to play tricks on us, and she is testing different family members as to how much she can get away with. Priceless…She is also keeping Bride very busy, and that is helping to keep her going too. Bride loves that dog. When someone comes over and they see the pup I tell them this is my baby girl, Bride chimes right in, and “She’s my baby girl”. I love it.I’m seeing some of her protective personality showing up. She will end up being very protective, and along with her agility, strength, and drive, “I pity the fool who will come around to cause harm.”After Shadow died, the ally cats started getting closer and closer, and eventually inside the fence. The ground got contaminated with roundworm eggs and they infected the puppy. We are working with the Vet and the breeder to help fix the problem. I’m thinking of using diatomaceous earth along with the stuff the vet is giving her.FOOD GRADE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH FACTS & INFORMATIONhttp://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.htmlI’ve been super busy here and it is interfering with my time posting, everybody likes to be busy, but I don’t like having to go in 9 directions at one time. I still get to check in to see the comments and articles, but when get a chance to post I have to Post and Run. After the weather cools a bit I won’t be so busy, and I can slow up some and catch my breath.Have you heard from Toker00? I would love to see him back here again.
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Comment #250 posted by whig on July 04, 2007 at 15:16:38 PT
Link
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/04/ap3884495.html
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Comment #249 posted by whig on July 04, 2007 at 15:16:17 PT
Want fireworks?
Severe weather and a tornado warning prompted authorities to evacuate thousands of people gathered at the National Mall on Wednesday for a holiday concert and a fireworks show.Police asked tens of thousand of people to leave the mall and go into nearby buildings as the sky turned dark and winds picked up.
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Comment #248 posted by Had Enough on July 04, 2007 at 12:30:12 PT
$80 million in Al Capone’s Town
Police recover stolen truck carrying drugs after News 4 viewer tip12:17 PM CDT on Wednesday, July 4, 2007KMOV) - A stolen truck carrying tens of millions of dollars worth of prescription drugs was found in Illinois yesterday, thanks to a tip from a News 4 viewer.
Stolen from one gas station, found at another, near 70 and route 4 last night, hours after a news 4 viewer saw our story and nearly 2 1/2 weeks after the truck with prescription drugs with a street value of $80 million was stolen.
The truck was headed from a pharmaceutical company near San Diego to the Chicago area, and it was packed with more than 16-million pills of the generic form of the powerful pain killer vicodin.and…The drug company initially announced a $5,000 reward, no word yet this morning on if our viewer will be getting that and still no sign of the suspects. more…http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/kmov_localnews_070703_stolendrugs.3e3eda3d.html
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Comment #247 posted by FoM on June 30, 2007 at 05:47:06 PT
whig
I don't believe that people who are Republicans are bad people. I am only talking about the way the RP seems to be now.I was Catholic but I quit when I was 26 after I finally realized that they didn't have the answers.
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Comment #246 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:57:55 PT
Haha
They should be on double secret probation by now.
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Comment #245 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:56:57 PT
FoM
You could think of the Republican party like a fraternity.
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Comment #244 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:54:02 PT
FoM
I don't want to paint with a broad brush because there are good people who have always been Republicans their whole lives because that's how they were raised. It's just like being a Catholic or whatever else.
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Comment #243 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:51:17 PT
A Link About Fascism in America
I found this a long time ago on David Crosby's web site. I found it interesting and it seems this is how we are becoming particularly since this administration took power.http://crosbycpr.com/content/TOURS/2004/news_text/austinSermon.html
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Comment #242 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:37:37 PT
whig
I don't want to say this but I believe that the Republican Party is an extention of Hitler's Party or close to it in ideology. I saw a program where they had many german prisoners housed in the south during the war and they treated them very well because they said they looked like us. Many stayed here after the war. They just morphed into Republicans. Maybe I'm wrong but it made sense to me when I first started putting it together in my mind a while ago.
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Comment #241 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:13:47 PT
whig
I just got back on line after a satellite outage or I would have responded before this. I know that what I see in the Republican Party isn't anything that interests me at all. It's the total opposite of my values.
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Comment #240 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:58:38 PT
FoM
National Socialists were the party of Adolf Hitler, but they existed before him as a political party. Once he took it over it became identified with him and therefore it is not allowed in Germany at all. (They are different than America, there are some speech limits as well in Germany.)I think the people who have taken over the Republican party in America are hateful, warmongering, torturing, psychopathic criminals. I don't think any honorable members of that party can take their party back but even if they could its hard to clean the blood off the carpets and the furniture and the walls and it's better just to close it down and condemn it like we should do with Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
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Comment #239 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:51:24 PT
Whig
No one is interested in Ron Paul in the Republican Party. They think he is out in left field. I don't think he is out in left field. I don't believe what he believes but he is a good man. He is just a thorn to them. Republicans want to lock people up and throw away the key. They are all law and order and nothing more.
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Comment #238 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:45:48 PT
whig
What does a National Socialist believe? I don't think the Republicans will go away but they will be in a minority for quite a few years I hope and that will humble them and then maybe they wil be able to fix the party in time.
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Comment #237 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:43:27 PT
Republicans
I think there are honorable people in the Republican party, like Ron Paul for instance, whom I disagree with but that doesn't mean he is a bad person at all.I think they shouldn't be punished as a group, but the party should be ended and that means the people who were honorable can start their own or do something else.And anyone can disagree with me, of course, but I tell Republicans that want to save their party they should nominate Ron Paul or there will be nothing to stop the complete collapse.
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Comment #236 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:39:15 PT
FoM
I wouldn't say I am upset, but I am resolved. I want to fix things so that this doesn't ever happen again, and that means impeachment, trial, removal, disqualification, and where it goes from there is probably the Hague.Also, I don't think the Republican party should survive at all, any more than the National Socialists in Germany.
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Comment #235 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:31:11 PT
whig
I understand why you are upset. I am beyond upset with this administration. Soon the Republicans will be out of power and it might take a while to change the direction we have been going but at least I can see a little hope for the future.
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Comment #234 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:02:27 PT
FoM
I never know what someone else is going to do, they have free will and can do a lot of things. I only know that I should do and say what I think is right and not compromise for the sake of "winning" but in the process give false authority to murderers.Let me say more, the current administration was never elected.
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Comment #233 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 14:57:34 PT
whig
Do you really think that Bush and Cheney would go out without pulling something? I don't. I'm at the point where I don't want to wake a sleeping bear but you are young and have more spitfire then I do at this point in my life. I got fired up like you when I was your age but time changes that.
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Comment #232 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 14:51:24 PT
FoM
They need to be impeached because they are dangerous and it is the only way to end this war sooner than later.
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Comment #231 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 14:48:19 PT
whig
I thought of another reason that I think that impeachment at this time might not be wise from my point of view.If both of them were impeached that would put a Democrat in as President until elections. I don't know how that could help any Democrat that is running for president because it would seem like a political party is trying to take over another person's job and that's not right in most people's eyes. I say build evidence and bring them to trial for crimes against humanity after they are out of power. Hopefully more Democrats will get elected in 08 so they might be able to get something accomplished in a new presidency.
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Comment #230 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 12:39:43 PT
whig
I understand that you want them impeached and that's sure if fine but who cares if Obama cares? I would be happy if they are brought them to justice after they are out of power rather then waste time trying to get them impeached with so much happening right now. That's just my opinion and it doesn't mean anything.
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Comment #229 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 12:26:55 PT
FoM
I think they need to be impeached.
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Comment #228 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 12:01:00 PT
whig
Why does it matter about what Obama thinks since most people here are not interested in Obama? I think it is really about too late to bother with Impeachment. They soon will be out of office. What I hope is that they will be held accountable in years to come.
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Comment #227 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 11:24:42 PT
Obama is against impeachment
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm
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Comment #226 posted by FoM on June 28, 2007 at 18:03:49 PT
Correction
Michael Moore will be on Larry King on Friday. Sorry about that.
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Comment #225 posted by FoM on June 28, 2007 at 16:04:12 PT
Heads Up: Michael Moore on Larry King Tonight
I thought some here might want to see it too.
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Comment #224 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 12:34:28 PT
Whig
I can only imagine. :0)Literally.
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Comment #223 posted by whig on June 27, 2007 at 12:32:37 PT
Hope
A little hash oil, some honey and hot water makes a nice beverage too. Good for the digestion.
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Comment #222 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 10:58:38 PT
Toker
He must be boiling over from all he's wanted to say and couldn't.He'll have lots of 'splaining to do about what's happened to his computer system...and lots of pent up rants.Stand back. Give the man space! Gladly. :0)Come on home, Toker00! We miss you.
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Comment #221 posted by FoM on June 27, 2007 at 10:51:16 PT
Toker00
I received another e-mail from Toker00 this morning. He is scheduled for next friday not this friday he found out. So it will be over another week until he gets back. I bet he will have a lot to say when he can.
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Comment #220 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 10:46:10 PT
Meant to post this days ago
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n742/a07.html?397NEW MERIT SEEN IN CANNABIS REMEDY
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Comment #219 posted by Hope on June 26, 2007 at 23:34:18 PT
212 Toker00
It'll be good to hear from him.
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Comment #218 posted by Hope on June 26, 2007 at 23:28:25 PT
Afterburner
Thanks! Bookmarked it. Don't know when I'll get to listen. But I've got it bookmarked if I get a chance. Six to seven, weekday evenings. Got it.
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Comment #217 posted by afterburner on June 26, 2007 at 17:12:41 PT
Hope #209
If you liked that walk through early rock 'n' roll history, try tuning in to 1050 CHUM AM Listen Live, weekdays from 6:00 PM to 7:00 PM Texas Time to hear a daily hour of "The Evolution of Rock." Today was 1962, from the Twist to Motown to Surf music.
http://www.1050chum.com/index_listenlive.aspx#1050 CHUM - Home
http://www.1050chum.com/
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Comment #216 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 16:34:38 PT
Heads Up: Larry King Tonight
Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Yoko Ono and Olivia Harrison will be on tonight.http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/beatles/
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Comment #215 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 10:45:20 PT
Museman and Had Enough
Toker00 said that he was getting digital cable on Friday and I assume that means he will have a high speed connection then instead of an isp. I might not like the FAP of Hughesnet but since they changed to this policy I have had great speeds. I wish we had cable in this area. That day will never come. We live so far out they have to pump us sunshine! LOL!
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Comment #214 posted by Had Enough on June 26, 2007 at 10:26:28 PT
Toker00
Cool!!!
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Comment #213 posted by museman on June 26, 2007 at 10:06:30 PT
FoM
Cool!
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Comment #212 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 09:46:04 PT
Update on Toker00
I just received an e-mail from Toker00 and he should be back on Friday. He misses us and Cnews and I thought you'd like to know.
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Comment #211 posted by Had Enough on June 25, 2007 at 06:07:18 PT
Paint Jam...
with Ray Charles... watch the whole thinghttp://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=OIJtKxdRQzY
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Comment #210 posted by afterburner on June 25, 2007 at 00:55:01 PT
Monterey: It Was Forty Years Ago...
Monterey Song Lyrics
THE ANIMALS
http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/174400.htmlMonterey Track #12 4:15
Eric Burdon & The Animals
(Burdon, Weider, Jenkins, McCulloch, Briggs)
Album- The Best Of Eric Burdon And The Animals,
Original release A side December 1967 Polygram
Note: Song ref: Monterey Pop Festival June 16-18 1967,
For a good Live Performance audio: refer to Rhino 4 Disc CD - Various Artists
'The Monterey International Pop Festival'
Transcriber: Awcantor aol.com (Anita W. Cantor){The people came and listened
Some of them came and played
Others gave flowers away
Yes they did yeah!
Down in Monterey
Down in MontereyYoung gods smiled upon the crowd
Their music being born of love
Children danced night and day
Religion was being born
Down in MontereyThe Byrds and the Airplane
Did fly
Oh, Ravi Shankar's
Music made me cryThe Who exploded
Into fired light (yeah)
Hugh Masekelas music
Was black as nightThe Grateful Dead
Blew everybody's mind
Jimi Hendrix, baby
Believe me
Set the world on fire, yeah!His majesty
Brian Jones smiled as he
Moved among the crowd
Ten thousand electric guitars
Were groovin' real loud, yeahIf you wanna find the truth in life
Don't pass music by
And you know
I would not lie
No, I would not lie
No, I would not lie
Down in MontereyHu! huh-huh!Alright! Three days of understanding
Of moving with one another
Even the cops grooved with us
Do you believe me?
Yeah!Down in Monterey
Down in Monterey, yeah
Down in Monterey
Down in Monterey, yeahI think that maybe I'm dreamin'!Monterey!Monterey-yeah!Down in MontereyDid you hear what I said?Down in MontereyThat some music Monterey
FADES-
I said
Monterey, Monterey, Monterey
Yeah-yeah, hey-hey-hey
A-ay, a-ay, a-ay-a-ay} The Ojays - Love Train [video clip]
http://www.clinko.com/music/The_OJays/Love_Train/
"People all over the world (everybody)
Join hands (join)
Start a love train, love train..."
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Comment #209 posted by Hope on June 24, 2007 at 18:09:03 PT
Afterburner, comment 199
Gracious! That was a trip through the years! Thank you.
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Comment #208 posted by FoM on June 24, 2007 at 17:30:19 PT
Pegi Young's First Concert
I thought some might want to see and hear her very first concert performance. It's a nice song. Neil plays in the background. She did a good job. http://www.thrasherswheat.org/wheatfield.html
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Comment #207 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 21:37:40 PT
afterburner
I really like that song.
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Comment #206 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 21:31:43 PT
afterburner
I really liked Spin and Marty because it was about young people learning to get along with other young people. It was about trying to find a common ground. It also made them look at how they thought.
That is sad about the accidents. Young people are so full of themselves that an outlet is really important. The children I worked with were very tired after working with the horses. They just wanted to go home when they were done. They burned off the extra energy and that's good.
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Comment #205 posted by afterburner on June 20, 2007 at 21:25:46 PT
FoM #202
"Oh well a touch of gray, kinda suits you anyway,
That's all I had to say, but it's alright
I will get by, I will get by, I will get by, I will survive."Every silver linings got a touch of grey"Grateful Dead - Touch Of Grey Lyrics
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Grateful-Dead/Touch-Of-Grey.html
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Comment #204 posted by afterburner on June 20, 2007 at 21:16:55 PT
Spin and Marty: I remember them. What fun!
The problem today is that many youth know only the city. They don't know the joys of God's country. They know only city life.We've had two very bad accidents in the Toronto area, perhaps caused by street racing. Hwy 400 To Re-Open After Serious Crash, Two Charged.
CityNews, Canada - Jun 17, 2007
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_12072.aspx
Excerpt: {
A multi-car crash on Highway 400 sent 11 people, including a four-year-old, to hospital on Saturday. As a result, the 400 was closed for up to 18 hours in both directions between highways 88 and 89. To the relief of many motorists all lanes are open again. It was around 6:30pm when a Honda Civic traveling southbound at a high speed lost control and began to roll striking a Volkswagen Golf. Then a Cadillac and an SUV swerved to avoid the collision, but both hit a guardrail and ended-up crossing into the northbound lanes. The crash tore-up about 50 metres of the guardrail and crews worked all night to make repairs and clean-up the debris.
}Hero trucker left big family by
Curtis Rush 2007/06/19 "The truck driver who died a hero Monday when he steered his big rig away from the highway after being cut off by street racers had no personal insurance. He leaves a wife and large family behind."
http://www.thestar.com/article/227126'We will crush your car,' Bryant warns racers.
Robert Benzie, Jun. 20, 2007 "Likening speed shops that make street-racers to illegal drug labs and bomb factories, Attorney General Michael Bryant is warning the cars could be seized before they even hit the roads."
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/227464While I don't condone street racing or careless driving, it concerns me that many politicians can only react with punitive solutions like mandatory minimums and crushing cars. A young person I work with suggested that there should be somewhere dedicated to youth racing. I remember the stock car race tracks of the 60s and 70s. Young people need a supervised venue to release their adventurous yearning without endangering innocent motorists and families.
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Comment #203 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 08:36:54 PT
afterburner
I loved those shows to but they weren't real. My Dad was cool but he wasn't Robert Young. Because I loved horses Spin and Marty was one of my favorites.
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Comment #202 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 08:28:20 PT
afterburner
I am listening to the Traveling Wilbury's and was thinking about our visit last summer and how much fun we had. I was thinking about how you heard the grease or whatever it was that splattered on the floor because it is so quiet out here and it made me smile. I've gotten grayer over this last year! LOL!End of Line:Enjoy.Well it's all right, even if you're old and grayWell it's all right, you still got something to sayWell it's all right, remember to live and let liveWell it's all right, best you can do is forgiveWell it's all right, riding around in the breezeWell it's all right, if you live the life you pleaseWell it's all right, even if the sun don't shineWell it's all right, we're going to the end of the linehttp://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/endofthe.htm
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Comment #201 posted by afterburner on June 19, 2007 at 21:43:06 PT
FoM RE Annette
I enjoyed Mickey Mouse Club, Beach Party and even Leave It to Beaver, My Three Sons and Father Knows Best as a child. However, I learned that these simplistic respresentations were also diversions papering over hard problems for others in America. As Undercover Brother said in the movie of the same name,"Caucasian overload!"There's No Place Like America Today/Give Get Take Have by
Curtis Mayfield [ironic image]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00000IBEH/ref=dp_image_text_0/002-0040270-0635257?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=musicThere's No Place Like America Today/Give Get Take Have by
Curtis Mayfield
[album details]
http://www.amazon.com/Theres-Place-Like-America-Today/dp/B00000IBEH/ref=m_art_li_13/002-0040270-0635257
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Comment #200 posted by FoM on June 19, 2007 at 21:18:14 PT
afterburner
It is ironic that you mentioned Annette Funicello. I honestly was thinking about her the other day. She made me smile when I was just a little child.
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Comment #199 posted by afterburner on June 19, 2007 at 21:04:28 PT
FoM & museman: The 60s Begin with JFK's Optimism
The cycle of recording industry manipulation then and now repeating:After Elvis Presley had served in the military in Germany, Alan Freed resigned, Little Richard retired to the gospel church, and "The Music Died" (the plane crash of Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper & Ritchie Valens), "Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry [were] dragged down by scandal," and the Payola Investigation started, radio stations increasingly
played it safe by avoiding the more controversial rock lyrics and singers. The Evolution of Rock - Hour 14 - Part 1
Brenda Lee, one of two white women rock singers scored with "Sweet Nothings." She "helped put the skids on the plunging quality of rock 'n' roll," with the help of the Everly Brothers' "Cathy's Clown," "another plug in the rock dam leaking now so badly with insipidness that many fans, who had grown up with it, felt that they had simply outgrown it. They turned away and lent their full support to folk music, The Kingston Trio, Highwaymen, The Limelighters."
Roy Obison also hit it big with "Only the Lonely." The Evolution of Rock - Hour 15 - Part 1Avoiding the damage of the payola investigations, Philadelphia's Dick Clark's American Bandstand came out "clean" with the "record industry route of formula rock" with "picture perfect heroes such as Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell and Fabian". "The Dick Clark lineup of 1960 was more or less a conveyor belt system of Elvis Presley look-alikes, but not sound-alikes." "Rock had reached rock bottom." The Evolution of Rock - Hour 16 - Part 1"Wild One" Bobby RydellCheck out the lyrics:"Oh wild one I’m-a gonna tame you down (tame you down)
Ah, wild one I’ll get you yet (yeah yeah) you bet (yeah yeah)
You little doll all you do is play, you’ve got a new baby ev’ry day
But some day it’s gonna be me, me and only me."Oh oh oh oh wild one I’ll make you settle down (settle down)
Ah wild one I’ll clippa your wings (yeah yeah) and them things (yeah yeah)
You got the lips that I’m mad about
I got the lips that’ll knock you out
C’mon wild one be wild about me."Complete lyrics
http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/english/bobby_rydell/summer.htm#wildBrook Benton and Dinah Washington (soul singers) put "a bit of the good old sound back into 1960" with "Baby You've Got What It Takes."
Ray Charles also brought his first number one single to the music world with the slow soulful ballad "Georgia on my Mind."
The Evolution of Rock - Hour 16 - Part 2Flash forward to the current era with ABC, the network that presented Dick Clark's American Bandstand, now owned by Walt Disney and featuring the likes of Pop tart princess Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, like Annette Funicello, who starred in Beach Party with Frankie Avalon, former Mickey Mouseketeers. The record industry once again playing it safe by suppressing the true voice of youth by promoting posers as youth role models.However, classic rock is making a comeback with both cover tunes by today's young artists and new material from the older classic bands.Britney Spears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_SpearsAnnette Funicello - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_FunicelloInspired by "The Evolution of Rock"
1050 CHUM: The Greatest Rock 'n Roll Oldies
http://ondemand.streamtheworld.com/1050chum/
{ This CHUM-produced 64-hour music documentary won the prestigious Billboard Magazine award for "Best Radio Documentary" in the world. }
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Comment #198 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 13:54:36 PT
museman
I don't believe there is anything new under the sun. I believe it goes round and round. It's like a cycle. The circle being unbroken type thing. The spirit of the 60s never died people just went off into their own dreams that became important to them because of what happened in the 60s. Law and order was ushered in with Nixon and then Reagan. They were Republicans and most people interested in the 60s movement wouldn't have ever been a Republican. They'd be nothing politically before being a Republican I think. Greed is showing how bad it is and young people are seeing it. Now it's time to swing back to good ideals. There is a time for every season under the sun.
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Comment #197 posted by museman on June 18, 2007 at 13:23:39 PT
music and movement
Imagine a gathering of children, not helpless infants, but children none the less, who discover themselves in a wonderful colorful garden of flowering possibilities. Their smiles and intentions were about sharing everything, the music, the dancing, the affection, and the flowers.Visualize joy. Then visualize uniforms and armor trampling through the flower beds, yanking the young men away from their beautiful sisters to go be a wall of flesh to protect the conquering generals from incoming destruction. The smiles quickly fade, and innocence is replaced with grim resolve to stop that war that was taking away the joy.Songs sprang up reflecting the heart of the children, as a plea to the world to see the futility of their woeful actions, but acting with political empowerment, and the temptation of gold, 'enterpeneurs' interacted, and binding contracts were given to most of the musical champions, which dictated the content of their music. The champions were taken out of the midst of the children, and placed in luxury, and bacchanalian opulence - as long as they conformed to the terms of their contracts.To ensure that the more energetic, and potentially effective musical warriors would not rise above the bondage of their contracts, addiction to opiates and alcohol was introduced that eventually destroyed the purity, and credibility of their positions as generational leaders. Within a mere handful of years, before the children had even much of a chance to reach 'adulthood' the flowers were dead and gone. The garden became a shopping mall. Those who had gone to war came back with broken hearts and sunken souls, and those who had risen to economic heights on the heart and intents of a childlike way, had become role models for debauchery and excess.The brief moment of joy was buried in the omnipresent pouring out of pain and misery created as an absence of substance, power, and access to resource, that had been hastily ripped from their innocent grasp. The movement and cry of 'Peace, Love and Understanding' became a source of mockery for the ruling factions, and the postulation of greed and selfserving activity became the prevailing doctrine. Those who desperately attempted to keep the flowers, and the joy alive were forced into eventual compromise, their natural access to a creation given freely by God, changed into bondage and slavery, resulting in social ostracizm, criminalization and imprisonment for daring to use nature anyway. The truth about everything was buried in a landslide of self satisfaction.And the music died. Not the form and sound of it, but the Spirit of it that fueled the movement of the children in the flower garden. Movies were made, and novels written. The children were no longer playing in the garden, but laboring in the field while the Roman conquerors laughed and planned how to trick the next generation.What we have now, 40 years after one generation flashed in the pan of possibility, and then was tossed into the fire of a corrupt society, is a repetition of the ruse, a re-ocurrence of the conquest of a generation. The clothes of the emporer have become simply and undeniably transparent to those who have their own minds. The setup of rule and dominance continues unabated.Yet there is one more generation. One that is only now beginning to walk, and speak. The questions that must be answered have not yet been asked by this generation. What are we going to tell them went they want a flower garden, when they know they are supposed to be in that garden to find and experience their joy? Are we going to tell them about how lovely the kings robes are this year? Speak of Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny?
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Comment #196 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 11:41:43 PT
Hope
Because of the bandwidth issue I only made sure it started and stopped it. The sound and video quality on the CDs and DVD are great. I remember when those great musicians got together and did these songs. It wasn't but a short time until Roy Orbison died of a heart attack. I am so glad George Harrison's wife Olivia released this gem. George looked healthy and happy. That's all we can really hope for. Bob Dylan was having fun too. They all were. That's the kind of music I want in Heaven! LOL!
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Comment #195 posted by Hope on June 18, 2007 at 11:32:26 PT
:0)
Sounds wonderful.
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Comment #194 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 11:11:15 PT
The Traveling Wilburys: The End of The Line
I am not sure if this is the one that is on the new release of the Traveling Wilburys but I am sure it's good. I love this new CD-DVD.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOv6_sTioXA
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Comment #193 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 07:11:25 PT
Scott McKensie Talks about The Summer of Love
The Summer of '67's Most Famous Songhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-summeroflove-special,0,750173.special
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Comment #192 posted by FoM on June 17, 2007 at 16:09:36 PT
Back to a Garden Where More Than Jams Flower
June 18, 2007MANCHESTER, Tenn., June 17 — Each year the Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival insists it’s not just a hippie jam-band festival. This year two of Bonnaroo’s three headliners came from way off the jam-band circuit — Tool on Friday night and the Police on Saturday. Other performers on the three-and-a-half-day schedule spanned British rock, Canadian pop, soul, bluegrass, reggae, jazz and alternative hip-hop along with jam-band stalwarts like Sunday’s finale headliner, Widespread Panic. But when the sold-out audience of 80,000 arrived, the sixth annual Bonnaroo stayed hippie. Tie-dye, long hair, peasant dresses and flowers were everywhere amid the organic food stands and recycling displays. So were smiling faces, pot smoke and the willingness to dance to anything with a beat.Complete Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/arts/music/18bonn.htm
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Comment #191 posted by FoM on June 16, 2007 at 13:42:12 PT
museman
I understand what you are saying. I believe our values are worth looking at closely. I do that. I find that if I check myself before I do something I generally try to follow my checked thoughts rather then my first thoughts. I hope this makes sense. I can then do my best to not do something that will come back to bother me. That is being wealthy to me if we follow our heart. Money is a means to an end for really our comfort and that's all. PS: We got The Traveling Wilbury's today and we have been totally enjoying the documentary, songs and videos. I guess I believe in magic not wealth. I believe somethings are meant to happen. I believe that after watching the Traveling Wilburys. That dazzles me and only cost about $19 to boot! All I can think to say right now is God is Good.
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Comment #190 posted by museman on June 16, 2007 at 12:44:38 PT
Hope #187
He was sentenced to 2 years.
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Comment #189 posted by museman on June 16, 2007 at 12:36:12 PT
FoM
We are limited by our definitions of terms sometimes, and must rely on the desire of the reciever of information to be willing to understand the intent. There is true 'wealth' (in terms that I relate to and understand) that cannot be measured by any instrument or scale, that is as you say 'inside.' All other estimations of 'wealth' are false, or at least shallow and finite, mere 'things' that cannot accompany us where we are going. Foolish worship of objects and artifacts by itself alone, without the world consuming power that has been given the select few in the top of the weights and measures pyramid, is to be pitied, but when it becomes the false image, the false authority, and the false blind guide, BY FORCE, that the whole world must bow before, that 'wealth' is deserving of all the scorn and rejection that can be mustered.The lines are hazy, blurred, but that is intentional. YSHWH gave us the answer. When HE said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto YHWH that which is HIS." He wasn't giving an excuse for posession and wealth, He was giving us a comparative description of real value, versus false value. The choice is ours, but my choice, or yours is not to be shoved down anyones throat, by design OR EFFECT. When the false esteem of a few becomes the forced, and enforced way, and our choices become irrelevant in the face of such horrendous power, then those who worhip false values have 'stepped over the line.'Since most of the world believes that 'wealth' is all about materiality, the term is used most often to describe and reflect that materialistic perspective. That perspective is in error, or at least exremely out of balance with the true nature of things.True wealth is without measure. If it must be weighed, and given quantitative values, you may rest assured that the substance of it's 'value' is based on invention, and artifice that serves only those who serve it- this is error and abomination.
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Comment #188 posted by afterburner on June 15, 2007 at 21:41:32 PT
Terrible News re runruff, Duplicitous Bureaucrats
CN ON: Column: We Can Score One For The Naysayers, Ottawa Citizen, (15 Jun 2007) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n720/a03.html?176
{ It's tempting to write all this off as bureaucratic game-playing, but it's much more than that. The world -- and that includes you, the Canadian taxpayer -- spends tens of billions of dollars every year trying to stamp out the illicit-drug trade. With that kind of money, we could do any number of things -- such as bringing AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria under control -- that would save millions and millions of lives. Is the global fight against drugs the best way to spend that cash? The answer has to be no. What good does it do us? The prohibition of drugs has enriched the world's gangsters, guerrillas and terrorists -- with results that can be seen from the deserts of Afghanistan to the streets of Toronto -- while bringing us not one step closer to the fantasy of a "drug-free world." }We pray for you brother, for healing and peace.
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Comment #187 posted by Hope on June 15, 2007 at 18:21:09 PT
What in the world was his sentence?
I thought it was supposed to be over with after he served his time and paid their outrageous price.
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Comment #186 posted by FoM on June 15, 2007 at 12:54:52 PT
Wealth
What actually is being wealthy? I don't know where to draw the line. I could say anyone that has more money then me is wealthy but that wouldn't be right. I judge my wealth differently then most people and it is not measured by money. I am very wealthy inside.
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Comment #185 posted by museman on June 15, 2007 at 11:07:50 PT
Hope
Even when they finally let him go home, he will still be on parole. They won't let him use his medical status for the herb, and he might have to wear an ankle bracelet. He will have to make monthly patments for the 'privilege' of seeing various government do-nothings, and pissing in a cup.Technically, he won't be able to have visits from 'known felons' like me. If the morons that run the local injustice system can, they will find a way to send him back.Does anyone realize that every single one of the political shams called politicians upholds and endorses this system? That a vote for anyone of them is a vote for the continuation of the same old crap? Amercans have some serious soul searching to get done, and get done in a hurry. The current popularity contest referred to as 'politics' is just as orchestrated as every other 'dog' wagged by our illegal, unconstitutional government.I try not to hate, but there are just too many hateful people in positions of power, and they all meet regularly in their various opulent club-houses scattered all over the globe. And they are all very rich. I HATE WEALTH, because it is the resource of inequity, and the foundation of the dominant society. It is the system of belief and yes, worship, that corrupts all of life on planet earth. It has NO REDEEMING qualities, and when justice comes, those who invested their life, time and hearts into it will not be redeemed either. That fact abates my hatred somewhat for the poor idiots who have to face their crimes -the ones that they claim various rights, like 'inheritance' class distinction, breeding, and superiority. The fact that they WILL GET THEIRS, or rather that they already got theirs, and will get no more, and actually will have their false wealth and power taken away, helps me deal with their present abhorrent existence. In the meantime freedom and liberty hang in the balance. Cannabis prohibition is their Waterloo, so everybody hang on. The boat is sinking, don't get on board, and don't linger in the lounge.One day a 'hippy' will rule the world with love, peace, and long hair.
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Comment #184 posted by Hope on June 15, 2007 at 09:53:54 PT
Runruff.
Oh no. Oh no.How can they do this.They "beat" him unjustly...and now they are going to "beat" him more than the contracted amount they said they would beat him...and then cease?I'm sick. Just sick.
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Comment #183 posted by FoM on June 15, 2007 at 09:43:12 PT
museman
That is one more terrible wrong for Jerry and Linda. So close and yet so far away. I hate few things but I hate the war on marijuana.
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Comment #182 posted by museman on June 15, 2007 at 09:37:20 PT
disappointing news about runruff
Because of beaurocratic 'paperwork' Jerry will not be released in August, but might be released a month later.I'm steamed.
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Comment #181 posted by FoM on June 14, 2007 at 08:18:49 PT
Hope
What he said was he found out that people really don't know what is going on and they think everything is fine. I know if I try to talk to someone about what is going on and they aren't into news and don't have the Internet the only complaint is gas prices.
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Comment #180 posted by Hope on June 14, 2007 at 08:16:19 PT
Oh my gosh!
I can imagine that it wouldn't take me long to condense down what I learned without having the Internet!Unless someone I knew kept me up with what was going on...because they were on the Internet.
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Comment #179 posted by FoM on June 14, 2007 at 07:59:31 PT
Had Enough
You're welcome. When he gets back he wants to tell us what he learned while not having the Internet.
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Comment #178 posted by Hope on June 14, 2007 at 07:19:07 PT
Been missing Toker...
Will be glad to see him back online.Had Enough, just saw your comment 173.That's a funny, sweet story about Shadow and the steaks.The black shepherd my daughter had was a kitchen counter guard, too. She was just the right height to survey the counters and stove regularly, nose a twitching. We didn't lose any steaks...but she "changed the menu" several times.I'd never seen those panther like moves in a dog before. It was amazing and a little disconcerting. Had Enough, I hope you and your new dog have a long, long good relationship.
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Comment #177 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2007 at 05:59:50 PT
Toker00
Thanks FoM.I was wondering about him.
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Comment #176 posted by FoM on June 11, 2007 at 21:12:02 PT
Had Enough
I wanted to let you know that I got an e-mail back from Toker00. He has had computer problems but will be back soon.
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Comment #175 posted by FoM on June 09, 2007 at 21:03:03 PT
Had Enough
We watched the race today. It's really hard for a filly to be as fast as a colt and today Rags to Riches was. Go ladies! LOL! Had to say that! We watched a movie called Ruffian. I remember when she broke her leg. She was really fast and the sad part of racing young horses is their bones haven't set up and they can snap so easily. The movie was good but sad. I would like to see the HBO movie Barbaro too.As far as the dog what came out of it was the owners had to kennel the dog and get him away from the entrance. Dogs are or were given a three bites and you're out back then so I don't know how they did with him. I have been thinking about where Toker00 could be. I'll send him an email tomorrow and I know he'll answer if he has gotten his computer fixed.
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Comment #174 posted by Had Enough on June 09, 2007 at 20:22:42 PT
A Horse is a Horse of Course...
except this one...Girl powerRags to Riches wins the Belmont Stakes -- the first filly to win the race in more than a century.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/09/belmont.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
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Comment #173 posted by Had Enough on June 09, 2007 at 12:13:19 PT
Dogs
Hope. I’m afraid that shepherd that you and your daughter took in was ruined way before you got her. Too bad. I’m sure if that dog was salvageable, you have the know-how and patience to deal with it.The Panther like moves you described. Shadow did that too. The new puppy is doing it too. Very silent and sleek, all black, very hard to be seen at night.FoM. About that dog that bit your son. I agree with Hope. Even if it was trained to be a guard dog, it still should not attack a child in the way it did. Whoever trained that dog for it’s duties should never have a dog like that, and should have the skill to tell if a dog they are training will attack unprovoked, especially with kids. He should be bitten by him. That would serve some justice maybe.Shepherds are very versatile dogs. Besides being companions and show dogs they can herd, track, guard & bodyguard, cadaver hunt, explosive hunt, and yes, sniff out pot too.The deal is that they can do this all at the same time, but they must bond with someone, no matter what. If not these dogs will be dangerous. It seems they have different respect for humans if they do not bond.Cop dogs are bonded with the cop they are with. They are together as part of the family.In Viet Nam our solders would use these dogs out on patrol. They could sniff out, track, and spot the Viet Cong long before any man could do this. Many of the guys going out on patrol wanted these shepherds with them. They saved many American lives. Now we are not warmongers here, but if I had to go off to war, I’d like to be in accompaniment of one of those fine dogs.These dogs were assigned to a handler that bonded with him, once again that is the key. They were so effective; the Viet Cong had a special bounty on them. They would be rewarded if they could kill the dog handler, or if they could kill the dog. They cut off its ear for proof of the kill.When we left Viet Nam the dog handlers were ordered to leave the dogs behind, they were not allowed to bring them home. I can just imagine what happened to those abandoned dogs, especially the black ones.museman… I saw a post a while back about you not being a dog person. It was about the dog that you let watch a steak cook. They’ll watch food all right.It reminded me of something that happened here when we first got Shadow/Eby about 12 yrs ago.The dog was here about 2 days. Bride had some steaks thawing out on the stove as normal procedure. Well they just disappeared. Bride thought I did something with them, and I thought she did something with them. A few minutes later I saw the empty packages out back. She had eaten them and was clear of the scene of the crime. About a week later I looked out the kitchen window, and there she was, chomping down frozen raw meat. My supper!!! By the time I got out there, once again she was nowhere near the crime scene. Now about another week or so after that I caught her red handed stealing frozen meat off the stove. She ran outside and started doing her thing. I caught up with her and smacked her on the rump with my hand and was proceeding to scold her. As soon as my hand hit her rump it stopped like you hit a fur coated wall, my first thought was, this isn’t going to work, it didn’t phase her at all, at that precise time she turned and looked at me with the look on her face like “What did you do that for?” I paused in awe for a few seconds, then I told her that she couldn’t steal food from the stove, petted her, took the meat away from her, and she never did that again. That was the fist and last time I ever smacked her. She would occasionally get a thump on the nose though. She would always listen to me (except while chasing cats, she never harmed them just chased them), and I would use tone of voice, eye contact and body language with her for the remaining 12 yrs of her life. PricelessI’ve had about a dozen dogs or so. But that dog and I shared a very special & unique relationship that I never quite had with a dog before. I truly miss her.museman, if you ever get a chance to do the dog thing, go for it, you will not regret it if it works, neither will the dog. They have a special way of keeping you in touch with reality, and seeing the real deal. You end up with more respect for the Great Spirit. It will show in your music and writings, and even how you conduct yourself sometimes :)Now I’m not saying to you to go out and get a dog, just saying if that opportunity arrives, do it, you will know if its right or not. You will see inspiration in a special way.FoM. Any word on Toker00?I agree with Toker – Dogs, people should be more like them.
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Comment #172 posted by FoM on June 07, 2007 at 13:14:49 PT
Off Topic: Traveling Wilburys
I was just thinking the other day how much I was hoping someday that they would release The Traveling Wilburys on DVD and now they are! This is so cool!Traveling Wilburys (2CD/1DVD, Deluxe Edition) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OYC1J0/ref=pe_pe_16210_5931760_as_txt_6
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Comment #171 posted by Hope on June 03, 2007 at 10:45:33 PT
Comment 156
Bob Dylan. Blowin in the Wind.When I hear that song, I always think he was referring to the scent of cannabis....Blowin in the Wind. "The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind. The answer is blowin in the wind."
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Comment #170 posted by FoM on June 03, 2007 at 06:58:32 PT
Just a Note
I don't think Sojourners is sponsoring the debate tonight but one tomorrow. Sorry about that. I hope they air the debate tomorrow too.http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=news.display_article&mode=M&NewsID=5878
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Comment #169 posted by FoM on June 03, 2007 at 06:53:43 PT
Museman and Anyone Interested
The Democratic Debate is sponsored by Sojourners. I am looking forward to the debate tonight."Pete Seeger: The Power of Song" clip/interview Jim Brownhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8VRd6gldQhttp://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=action.P07&item=pentecost07_candidates_forumSojourners/Call to Renewalhttp://www.sojo.net/
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Comment #168 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 17:51:46 PT
museman
I found these videos on the Rust List. I thought they were funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsYR_iTGjZ4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEYKvoirtUwSome short but funny clips of Neil talking about his car collection at the ranch.
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Comment #167 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 12:20:32 PT
museman
Even though I have not been exposed to the Hopi Indians I see the same things in the Scriptures. It is all connected to me.
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Comment #166 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 11:49:23 PT
FoM
More information on Grandfather David.I believe he also is remembered having used the basic same quote, with "The People of Peace."
GrandFather David and the Rainbow Warriors
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Comment #165 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 11:23:10 PT
FoM
GrandFather David, who was a very Sacred Holy Man, not only to the Hopi, but to the Rainbow Tribes said this;"There is a reason that 'Hopi' and 'Hippie' sound, and feel so similar, it is because they both mean the same thing; "Human Beings."
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Comment #164 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 11:10:51 PT
museman
I have never looked like a hippie but I have a tie dyed heart. I hope that counts.
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Comment #163 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 10:35:03 PT
and I just thought I'd add...
"Those of us who are still 'hippies' are still right."
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Comment #162 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 10:27:41 PT
Had Enough
Thanks for the info. I have a friend who can really use it.I am not, a 'dog person.' It has taken me years to understand the 'beingness' of some animals, and dogs especially. I have not had a dog relationship since I was a kid. Unfortunately the way that so many abuse their animals, and the practical back-yard-imprisonment that so many inflict on their dogs - as well as the various stupid-human actions (like dressing up their dogs, making them out to be something other than dog) really bothers me.The purist attitude, if delved into is revealed as a belief that is rooted in fear, and a veritable fortress of denial is built around it, albeit created in an image of 'righteousness' and 'religious piety.'It's the same spirit that manifests as greed, prejudice, and the false esteem of wealth and property, which as it is currently empowered by wholesale ignorance gives us war, suffering, poverty, disease (of the whole life body -including the earth and all other life, not just humans,) and death.The idea of 'superior breeding' of dogs and men, though somewhere in the deep dark past (that I am unaware of -other than anthropological assumptions of 'evolution') may have had some logical reason, today it is just an excuse for maintaining great error and imbalance in the world.If it were possible to 'breed' goodness and mercy into man (or animal), and to create some kind of 'genetic guarantee' of 'betterness' then I dare say some more substantial evidence than actually exists would have manifested itself before now. There are two basic polar philosophies, which are the foundations for all that man strives for and prepetuates; The belief that 'all men are created equal in the sight of YHWH,' that man is inherently 'good' and only becomes corrupt as they interface with the corrupted world, and the inverse belief that all men are created unequal, and are inherently evil or 'born in sin.'It is notable that the second opinion is consistently upheld by the rich and powerful, the kings, princes, and politicians to the point of force, while the first is held by sharing, forgiving, loving people who are not rich and powerful, who would think more of how to liberate the bound and imprisoned, instead of thinking of more ways to bind and imprison.The credentials are established. Those in the world who know somewhere in their 'heart of hearts' that their esteem of material posession, -false authority, and false power that is all too obvious to those who do not belong to the exclusive club, or are laboring with futility to be 'accepted' into the club- is error of great import, spend great amounts of (mostly other-people's) energy attempting to cover up reality so as to make their error look correct, and so we have the world we have today; a host of lies and falsehoods dressed up to look like the truth."Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."Shalom Shabbat
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Comment #161 posted by Had Enough on June 01, 2007 at 16:00:15 PT
Hey museman...
...glad to see you caught this thread.I ran across something interesting, thought I’d share it.Check out this stuff in comment #110.It appears racism has even infiltrated dog breeding too.This is from the AKC website German Shepherd Dog Breed Standard:Herding Group:Color:The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfmIf you have time check this guy out. He likes those Pure White German Shepherds & White Timber Wolf Hybrids the purists tried to kill off.Besides the info in #110, here is another part of what is on his site.In the year 2001, my HMO primary care doctor in Orlando, Florida told me that I had at most three to six months to live because I had all the following illnesses, plus Hepatitis C: (Humana medical records available to prove it.)
[21 illnesses are listed]and…I have since then cured all my medical problems and years later feel great and happy to feel vibrant again. The HMO doctor assured me that he could not keep me alive because of all my complications. I wanted to live and got serious about my health. I told my family that I had only six months to live, while I cried in front of them as I told them to prepare for my death just in case I failed to cure myself. Remember, I am Latin and have that excuse for being emotional about my life and death. I started to learn more than I already knew, I invented my own diet that I call "The Proactive Health Recovery Diet". Since that date I have cured my own Hepatitis C, also the friend of my ex-wife of Hepatitis C, my son of leukemia, a friend of diabetes, my ex-wife of acid reflux, and many more other people of lesser illnesses. I just refused to die or let them die or suffer too!I finally found the true causes of most human and animal illnesses. My "symptom curing" doctors swore that they could not even cure the lesser illnesses that I had, much less the terminal illness that was going to end it all.It was easier than I thought once you stop curing symptoms, and discovered that symptom doctors have been lying to us for decades for the love of money and fame (God Complex). I loved my family and friends and found the discipline to do it.With the experience of my fight to keep alive, I acquired a lot of knowledge about what I call "Symptom doctors" and doctors that address the true cause of illness called "Alternative medicine Doctors", I also started a diet plan that I use for my dogs, wolf-dogs and puppies. Because I am not a doctor I am limited to what I can do for you. But I do recommend that you feed your dogs the Natural way with the Alkaline Acid diet that I tell you about. On the Internet, this amazing subject is well spoken about, you can find out more from their websites. more…http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/about.html
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Comment #160 posted by museman on May 30, 2007 at 11:05:10 PT
Not Enough Care
When we were younger, we might've done something,but the money just got in the way.Some they got too much, some they got nothin'and the rest just got their bills to pay.When the dust was clearin', none was left standin'they'd all gone to pay their way.I tried not to sing songs of despair,but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care, not enough.Did you feel the wind blow? Did you see the rainbow?Did you think it was all for your own?Have you got an answer, or are you just a dancer?Look what's been done to our home.You make the change come, forfeit the ransom,your money's no seed to be grown.And you better do it today, light the candle, carry the flame,now don't you believe what the money-man say....I tried not to sing songs of despair,but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care. Not enough.
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on May 29, 2007 at 21:26:30 PT
afterburner
Isn't that the truth.
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Comment #158 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2007 at 21:24:47 PT
FoM #157
Where are the diggers when we need them?
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Comment #157 posted by FoM on May 29, 2007 at 17:11:32 PT
Related Article from The LA Times
In San Francisco, There's Not a Lot of Love In The Haight***By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles TimesMay 29, 2007 From his second-floor apartment at the counterculture crossing of Haight and Ashbury streets, Arthur Evans watches a new generation of wayward youth invade his free-spirited neighborhood.The former flower child was among the legions of idealistic wanderers who migrated here during the Vietnam War to "tune in, turn on and drop out."But Evans, who has lived at the same address for 34 years, says he has never seen anything like this crowd, who use his flower bed as a bathroom and sell pot outside his window.They're known as gutter punks, these homeless kids with dirty dreadlocks and nose rings, lime-green mohawks and orange spray-painted faces, who panhandle with cardboard signs that riff on their lifestyles. "Please Help Us Get Un-Sober," one reads. Another: "Please Give Us Weed, Beer or Money."Sometimes aggressive, they block sidewalks as they strum guitars or bang on bongos. Gangs of them skateboard down the middle of Haight Street. Some throw used hypodermic needles into a nearby pond they call Hep-C Lake.Evans, 64, says they should get help, clean up or go home.Snipped:Complete Article: http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-haight29may29?single_page=y
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Comment #156 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:45:20 PT
Happy birthday Bob Dylan
His first public performance!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUz2OulZ-q4
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Comment #155 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:16:50 PT
Humans must not kill humans
Not in anger, not in retribution.
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Comment #154 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:12:16 PT
Killing animals
It is necessary. I said before I kill ants when they make trails into my home. I would like for them to have homes and habitats, but my home is not to be one of them.I don't think it's an easy decision to make and I think it's important that everyone think about it for themselves. I wouldn't tell you what you must do, but what I would do to protect not only my child but what about other children the dog may encounter who it does not know at all.
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Comment #153 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:08:12 PT
Hope
I think if a dog were to bite my child in anger it would not be my dog any more. I would cause the dog to be destroyed.
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 18:32:35 PT
Slide Show: NYT: The Summer of Love
An exhibition at the Whitney Museum remembers a lot, but forgets much more about 1967. Above, “Explosion (Jimi Hendrix), 1967.” http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/05/24/arts/20070525_LOVE_SLIDESHOW_1.html
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Comment #151 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 16:16:44 PT
Whig, Comment 148
Lol!Yes. We mostly are "Barkers" and "Growlers", but mostly, not really, "biters".My daughter owned a black german shepherd. One that at times could not control it's aggressiveness. One of the most alarming things I ever saw was when I had taken her out in the back yard to do her business one night. There was a light in the neigbor's yard and one of them was doing something in the back yard.What alarmed me, was when I saw that dog traveling low and fast near the fence, silent as a shadow. She was actually watching him carefully through the cracks...with amazing power to do so, and following his every move, silently...not six inches from the fence and less than a foot from him. So silently and invisibly. It was stunning to see.Once my daughter surprised her at home in the daytime. She heard hard, constant, deep gutteral growls from the long dark hallway... approaching her. Luckily, she recognized my daughter before she attacked.She couldn't even imagine that what she heard coming towards her was even her dog. Finally she could make out white teeth and the glint of her eyes as she crept low on the floor towards her....to GET her...not to greet her. Like a panther or something. She bit a lot of people a lot of the time and was shuttled from home to home. I thought we could handle her and my daughter's home needed the guarding, especially badly at the time. We had an endless battle of wills. Finally my daughter found her to be more than she could endure. She bit me several times and threatened to even more times. We were very good to her...but it didn't help. She seemed to get more and more dominating. She wasn't a safe dog. Some farm man took her....I don't know how that went. Last I heard, she bit him.
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Comment #150 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:35:53 PT
Man's best friend must not be turned enemy
Those who would do this are themselves enemies of humanity.
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Comment #149 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:34:34 PT
Hope
I think when Dogs are turned against People it causes destruction of the bond between us which we took many thousands of years to build.
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Comment #148 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:27:51 PT
Just for the record
I have not been bitten or attacked, though I have been barked at. I think that barking is what I do too, because I believe it is good to bark rather than bite.
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Comment #147 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:26:32 PT
Had Enough
Here's the thing though with me and German Shepherds. I don't fear them, but I do look them square in the eyes. I don't feel a need to assert dominance with most dogs, but I do so with Shepherds before I relax. I will pet any dog that allows me to do so, but there is always a wariness with dogs that I do not know and that are large enough to do serious harm.
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Comment #146 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 14:26:15 PT
Hope
I liked your story. I'm glad I had dogs over the years. I got my first dog from the pound when I was 10. That's the only way I gave my parents any rest until the next time when I wanted a horse. LOL!
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Comment #145 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:51:04 PT
Just thinking....
Over the years I may have been bitten by children more than I've been bitten by dogs! Nah. I've been dog bit quite a bit.
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Comment #144 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:43:23 PT
Doberman incident
We rescued a young, pregnant female Doberman from the pound. My son adored her. She had her puppies and was a great mother. When they were a few days old, she wasn't there one morning. We searched every where for her. We hand fed the puppies, several times, every day with tubes and syringes and special milk from the vet.My children, I'm sure had puppy scent all over them, attended an elementary school about ten miles from home. During a recess a loose Doberman wandered on to the playground. Well some people were afraid and there was a big deal and the principal happened to notice that the dog was not dangerous and asked all the children, back in their classrooms, if any of them owned a Doberman. One of my sons said yes and went with the principal to see the dog. It was Princess! We were out so my son called his grandfather, my father in law, to the school. He brought the dog...who rode in the front seat of his truck...and I think he was a stranger to her at that time... the ten miles back to the house and her babies.Someone must have stolen her and she got away and found the scent of her babies coming from the area of the school, apparently.It was lovely grace, even in bad circumstances.
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Comment #143 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 13:33:56 PT
Hope
My Rott is great with my husband and if I was a little bigger he wouldn't intimidate me but the female Rott I had was just a love. I never had a mean Weimaraner either. I had a Red Doberman and he was sweet. I had a female and they had a litter of Red Dobermans.
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Comment #142 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:25:39 PT
Rotts
When my son was building a house in the country near Nashville, one day he noticed a huge Rott watching him from the woods. He went on about his work, keeping an eye on the dog, but pretty much ignoring him. One day he said he couldn't stand it any more and fell to one knee and whistled, and said, "Come here, Boy!"The sweetest animal anyone could ask for...but absolutely terrifying to behold. His head! I can't explain to you how big his head was...how big he was. So sweet though. Not an angry, fearful bone in his body...and very watchful. And very terrifying to behold.The Weimaraner has the sweetness of the bloodhound with the protectiveness of the Rottweiler, and sleek beauty of the Doberman. They are lovely dogs. Usually. Like anything else...there are exceptions all over the place out there...dogs the Germsan breeders would have put down in a New York minute.It took ruthlessness to breed like they did.
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Comment #141 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:14:16 PT
Scalp wounds usually bleed terribly.
I can imagine how horrifying it was. I makes me sick that dogs are now so commonly used in this country on people...like the Nazis did. It makes me sick. We had Blood Hounds...but that's not the same as the German Police Dog.It knocked the breath out of me the first time that I saw they were being used in this country and to attack people...was that the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in the Sixties? Civil Rights marchers? I don't remember when it was, but it was horrible to see. I don't remember the true first instance...but I remember the pain of the moment. It hurt me. It hit me like a blow to the belly. I was truly dismayed.
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Comment #140 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:05:22 PT
I mean....
I can't help it. Forgot the apostrophe t.Rush. Rush. Rush.
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Comment #139 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 12:32:58 PT
Hope #127
Adolph Hitler and his Nazis left a stigma with German Shepherds, similar to what Charlie Manson left with us.Too bad, but that is the way it is. We will deal with it though, and we will end this pot war, its time is up.and The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew Thatgot to get back to working on the house again. SeeYa real soon. Thanks
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Comment #138 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 12:22:25 PT
Hope
It was a horrible experience. I never saw so much blood at one time. I have a strong Rott. No one ever gets near him. He loves being a protector but he is independent. Our Husky type dog is sweet as punch. She is the boss of my Rott though. She rules! LOL!They have a big fenced in yard to run in. They are happy and controlled.
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Comment #137 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:12:50 PT
Comment 119
Pierced his skull! Oh, my Lord! That's awful. I've known some sweet shepherds. But I can help but feel Ann Frank shiver when I see one.
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Comment #136 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:08:04 PT
That last one was responding to
something Had Enough said in his post to Whig.
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Comment #135 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:07:07 PT
And some dogs absolutely adore
"herding" and "guarding" children. They are very serious about it. Very serious.
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Comment #134 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:04:10 PT
131 Lol!
That's true.Mine would "protect" whoever was holding him. The kids could carry him like a machine gun. He was all for it and into it. But if someone else was toting him...he would get you, even though he loved you half a minute ago.That behavior was accidentally discovered, but it was encouraged, I'm afraid...which of course...made him worse.
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Comment #133 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 12:04:00 PT
whig #120
German Shepherds are herding dogs, and they make excellent guard dogs too. That is one the things that make them so unique, and it is all how they are trained.They make good working dogs, as well as pets. But people need to understand this before getting one. People who don’t, end up with a dog that dominates them, and thus they can become dangerousBride used to watch our friends kids, so they wouldn’t have to do the daycare thing. Shadow used to treat then like they were her own. She would herd these kids when they started to get out of line. She was stern, but never harmed them, and watched over them while they were here. I saw this with my own eyes. I didn’t train her to do this, she just did it.One day a father came to pick up his kids. He had just left the gin mill. Shadow knew something wasn’t right, and would not let him near his kids. Afterwards, every time he came around, Shadow would be on extra duty. She would stand of sit between him and those two kids. He kept saying there is something about that dog, she doesn’t like me. I explained, he didn’t believe at first, but after a while he understood. And by that way, we told both parents that we will not let the father leave here with the kids if he had been drinking, all agreed, no problems after that. But the dog did not forget, and every time he came around, Shadow would be keeping a very watchful eye on him. I used to tease the guy about it. :)But on a sadder note, that guy now has bone cancer, & lung cancer. He is in bad shape and probably won’t live very much longer. Pretty soon I will have to say goodbye to another life long friend.
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Comment #132 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:00:26 PT
Chihuahuas
They don't call them the "Lion of Mexico" for no reason.They are naturaly burrowing animals. I found a "burrow" of my little male that had matches and a credit card application stashed away in it. Wonder what that was about?
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Comment #131 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 12:00:12 PT
Hope
Ankle biters. Little dogs and teething children.
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 11:58:15 PT
This Was One of My Favorite Disney Movies
Love Leads The Way (DISNEY)When an insurance salesman is blinded in a boxing accident, his world is turned upside down as he has trouble functioning in his sightless world. All seem hopeless until he learns of an innovative European project that trains dogs as guides for the blind. He explores the idea and decides to train for a dog. He eventually gets a guide dog, but soon learns that he is barred from taking his needed companion into transit vehicles and public buildings and businesses. With a newfound friend, he must fight to make the country recognize that those rules are unfair to him and his guide. http://www.amazon.com/Love-Leads-The-Way-DISNEY/dp/B0001DA6DM
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Comment #129 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:58:10 PT
a Chihuahua
We should all thank God they aren't very big. They are dangerous. I've owned two. I've been bitten by more small dogs than big dogs.
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Comment #128 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:55:02 PT
"I've known some wonderful ones."
German Shepherds, not Nazis.
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Comment #127 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:50:44 PT
It takes somewhat of an idiot dog
to be easily provoked to attack. Their ability to fall into a frenzy of destruction isn't a good thing. It may have even involved, no, likely involved, idiotic training, as well. Their breeding though...it's so important. I have owned pitt bulls. They can be so loving and adoring...but some can be a danger to themselves and others if they aren't the kind that can sort of control their emotions and natural drives. Nazi use of the German Shepherd soured me on them forever. I've known some wonderful ones. Absolute darlings. But I have never been attracted to the breed because of that.I don't despise German dog breeding. I've owned a Doberman, two Wiemaraners, and a Dachshund over the years.
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 11:45:55 PT
Had Enough
We didn't blame the dog. We pulled into a horse farm to deliver a race horse to the people. We got out of the horse van and my son toddled around the front of the van and we were right after him. A dog was in a box and we didn't see him. My son ran towards the dog because he loved dogs and he got within range of the chain and that was that. He nailed him in the head and the dog was getting ready to tear him apart. It happened so fast. The dog was protecting the farm. Shepherds are bred to guard so he was doing his job.
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Comment #125 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:43:21 PT
A loving gentle beast can be an
astounding protector of his, or her, people without being a danger to any or all that might cross it's path.In their minds, don't doubt it... we are their people.
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Comment #124 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:40:42 PT
Breeding, temperament...
How he's raised all go in to the making of an animal.Some are so "wild", that they will turn on you and yours and consume them. If one can't control his animal... no matter the size...that animal is a danger to itself and others.I've no use for dangerous animals.
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Comment #123 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:38:31 PT
Dangerous animals of any kind...
are "Brute beasts, fit for destruction."I'm so sorry about that happening to you, Whig. I can easily imagine that it would seriously scar a person for life. How dreadful.
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Comment #122 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 11:35:37 PT
FoM
Why did the dog attack? Was there something wrong with its temperment? Was it provolked in any way? Every Shepherd I've been around likes kids. That must have been a terrilbe shock.
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Comment #121 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 11:19:25 PT
Dangerous Dogs
Sorry to hear that whig.I have known many people with Pit Bulls, Wolf Dogs, Dobermans, Walker Hounds, Dachshunds, etc.. Even Chihuahua, & Poodles. The common denominator I always see is how the dog was raised.I have a friend who likes Pit Bulls. It is absolutely amazing at how well their dogs behave. When strangers are nearby they sit by their side until they are told to move. After about 25 yrs of Pit Bulls, never have any of his dogs attacked another animal or person. This guy’s father breeds Dachshunds. They are good with animals.A lady who lives across the street has a Chihuahua. That dog out of the clear blue sky bit Bride on the calf of her leg after talking with the lady at the mailbox after about 15 minutes. That nasty little dog left a wound on her that took more than 2 months to heal. This happened about a week after her daughter was giving me the breeze on our Shepherd saying how dangerous they are, and how they turn on their owners, so on and so forth. Go figure. Shadow never attacked and harmed anyone or any other animals. She would sometimes charge at them, to test them, get in their face and bark, and that was all. By that way whig, never show fear to an animal, it’s not a good thing.Chances are that the Shepherd who got your dog was not cared for properly. If you don’t bond with it, and let it become part of the pack, you can have disastrous results, and they will go after people too. I’ve seen it.This may be hard for you to understand but if that dog were raised properly it wouldn’t had been that aggressive to want to kill. Shepherds have a strong prey drive, and you have to respect that and show them when and how to use it. Also if you were to have been friends with that dog, it would have wanted to come around looking for friendship (scratch behind ear, pet on head, goodie treat, just hanging out, etc.) instead of looking to cause trouble. Shepherds need a lot of attention. If they don’t receive it, they will find a way to get it, sometimes in the way you experienced. Shepherds are not for everyone, you have to understand these dogs before you can even consider handling one.Sorry about your experience, but please learn from it, and don’t blame it entirely on the dog, there is enough blame to spread to all involved.Try to pet the next German shepherd you come across, make sure the owner is there, and are cool.
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Comment #120 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 11:02:37 PT
FoM
I don't think German Shepherds were ever bred to herd animals. They are guard dogs. That's how I think about it.
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Comment #119 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 10:48:23 PT
Had Enough
One of our long time friends had a white shepherd and he loved her dearly. My son was attacked by a German Shepherd when he was about 3 so I have feared them ever since. Too much blood and a screaming child with a pierced skull. His father kicked the dog so hard in the throat that it flipped him off my son.
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Comment #118 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 10:42:00 PT
Australian shepherd
I met a nice Australian shepherd, he was my uncle's for a few days, but did not get along with his other dogs. He seemed very smart.
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Comment #117 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 10:38:35 PT
Remembering details
My grandfather saw it happen, he said the shepherd picked up Muffitt and grabbed his whole body in his jaws and threw him and broke his neck.
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Comment #116 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 10:37:28 PT
Territory
It was in my grandparents lawn that my dog was killed, just to make that clear. I know that if my dog had been invading another dog's home territory, it would have been more understandable.
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Comment #115 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 10:36:09 PT
Sir Muffitt of Windsor
He was a purebred, given to me by my grandfather. The name sounds very twee but it was the name he was given on his registration papers which also set out his ancestry. I think he was given to my grandfather by one of his patients to give to me. He lived just outside Baltimore, in a wooded area and we would go visit for a few weeks at a time and Muffitt would go around with his other two dogs (Bonkers and Puddin, neither of which was of any particular breed). They weren't fenced or leashed in that area, and one of the neighbor dogs was a German shepherd.So we were visiting and I don't know if anyone saw exactly what happened besides the dogs, but the shepherd killed the terrier. I believe the shepherd may have been put down as vicious, but I don't know if it was done. I was only a child.
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Comment #114 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 10:25:33 PT
Had Enough
When I was a child, a German Shepherd killed my dog, which was a Yorkshire Terrier.
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Comment #113 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 10:22:35 PT
Great White Shepherds
Health, age, and cancers.FoM. I don’t know for sure but this is what this website has to say about them. 15 yr life span if properly cared for.“The big boned whites are so big and strong that they could fight off Pit Bulls, Rotweilers and Doberman Pinchers with ease. Because of the muscular strength of a Big Boned White, no dog alive today could beat a big boned alpha male. No dog alive could be more intelligent than the Whites. Mother Nature was and still is more intelligent that Man. Man will always fail when he goes against Mother Nature. Even beta whites are able to beat any other beta dog because of their size and strength. Evenly matched top alpha to top alpha, or top beta to top beta, the big white boys would always win.My line of Big Boned Whites have been raised Mother Nature's way, Mother Nature intended them to stay big and strong, I obeyed Mother Nature and have succeeded in making the most beautiful of Mother Natures' improved new creatures.Internationally, all German Shepherds are known to be more loyal than Pit Bulls, Rotweilers and Doberman Pinchers, the statistics prove that they are safer to have than many other breeds of dogs. The more intelligent a dog is the less it can turn on its Master. White German shepherds are very loyal and intelligent; Mother Nature chose them to replace the common regulars.If you are NOT going to feed them Natural foods you too will be fighting Mother Nature and will pay the price by having just regular short lived dogs. These big Boned Whites will live a long time and that is what is best for your family, to be loved, protected and obeyed by them for over 15 years as a minimum. Their bones are protected by the raw meat, bones and vegetables by the Natural diet intended by Mother Nature. Dry or canned artificial and processed dog food will slowly kill them, make their leg bones weak, and because of that they will not live past 8 to 10 years. Be wise obey Mother Nature.”http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/shephard.htmlThe info you posted about the white markings on horses was interesting. I know very little about them, but since I’ve been reading here, and what Bride has been telling me lately, it seems I’m learning a little about horses too. I also remember Hope telling us about a Shetland Pony that always wanted to come in the house to watch the Boob Tube. That’s funny, probably wrecked the house, but still kinda cool. Thanks….:)Whig. That is some good info. It basically backed up what the link above says. It gives him credibility and backs up my suspicions.Did you get a good look at the pictures of those Great Whites? Have you ever met a dog like that? If not you should think about it, German shepherds are a distinct breed of their own. Once you catch a glimpse of their loyalty, companionship, and nobility, and bond with them, you will never forget it, and it will make you a better person. I’m talking about meeting one, not obtaining one, a German shepherd would probably be a little more of a pet that you would want to deal with. When you are out and about, if you see one with somebody, ask them if you can pet their dog, chances are they will say yes, unless they are trained to be personal bodyguards, then they will politely tell you they would rather not have the dog become friendly with strangers. Try it; you’ll like it, not scary at all, within 15 seconds, or less, you and the dog will know if it’s cool or not, the owner will be there too. Just be cool about it, these dogs can sense when people are uptight, or otherwise putting off bad vibes. I used to watch Shadow when strangers would come around, you could tell right off the bat weather that person was cool or not. Uncool people wouldn’t hang around very long at all. Perfect!!! There are some more pictures of White shepherds on that guys website I posted, check them out. He does Hybrid Wolves too.The following is from his website too.“When God made wolves he created a “Social” animal, a pack oriented animal, one that is more a group animal than a “lone wolf”. Wolves cooperate in ways that regular dogs can never do, they have a social order that regular dogs can never obey.God created a wolf to have more intelligence than any dog, God created the first Wolf, but he did not make a dog, all breeds of dogs are descendant from wolves by in-breeding and cross-breeding. Man created our present day dogs, not God. A wolf is God's perfect creature.The mental development of a wolf is far above that of any dog, that is why they can act as a unit, act as a group, and act as a real family as no dog could ever do. Humans must be trained for months to act as a cooperative and social unit/group, wolves are naturally sociable creatures from birth.
But if wolves are normally more intelligent than a dog, wouldn't you want to buy one that was guaranteed to be that way? Wouldn't you want a wolf to be safe around you and your family because it DOES NOT have toxins and poisons in its body, and mind affecting its temperament and behavior. The main reasons why people want to have a wolf-dog as part of their family is because #1 it is more intelligent and #2 God gave the Wolf the ability to BOND with members of its pack. The bonding ability that God gave all wolves was absolutely necessary so that they could NEVER turn on their OWN family.
God intended a wolf to be a happy, social animal and he made the bonding to ensure that. “more…http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/wolfhybrid.html
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Comment #112 posted by whig on May 23, 2007 at 11:49:18 PT
Had Enough
This article is interesting.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berger_Blanc_Suisse
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Comment #111 posted by FoM on May 23, 2007 at 07:12:25 PT
Had Enough
I didn't know any of that about White Shepherds. I haven't seen a white shepherd in years. I don't know about dogs but white horses and horses with white legs (makes white hooves) aren't desirable. White legs on horses often make a bad foot. Bad soft feet can't hold up like a solid strong dark hoof. If a horse has a white marking and dark marking on the legs the hoof wil be white and dark in appearance. White horses are prone to cancer more then other horses. I bought a white horse for my son back in the early 80s. She looked like Silver the Lone Rangers horse. Are white shepherds as healthy as other colors?
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Comment #110 posted by Had Enough on May 23, 2007 at 06:42:13 PT
White German Shepherds
Something seems to be going on here. Something about the breed is being discriminated against. I’m not sure if I have the whole picture, but I will make an attempt to share what I ‘think’ I know.Let’s start here…I knew a old timer in his 70’s, a casual type of acquaintance, saw him about a dozen times or so a year, last time about 4 or 5 yrs ago. He had a White German shepherd. It was large, snow white, and was a very friendly and well-behaved dog. It was large too. I’ guessing about 100 maybe 115 lbs. He used to ride in the passenger seat of his pickup truck wherever he went. His head was higher than the driver. Beautiful example of creation. Whenever I had the chance, I would pet him and throw his ball for him, cool dog. I wanted to get a picture of Shadow & that dog sitting side by side. Ebony and Ivory… Never did it though, sure wish I had now.While looking for a pup I contacted about 40 people. What an adventure. It seemed as though when White German Shepherds were mentioned I always heard negative statements about them, such as “Oh, people still breed them!!!” with a sound of disgust in their voice. Another person told me not many people like the white ones.After hearing that stuff for a while I got a little curious about that and did a little google style research.AKC doesn’t recognize them.Puritans tried to kill of the breed and make them extinct.The following is from this website, and there is a lot more there too. Good read.http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/shephard.htmlThe White German Shepherd is the most beautiful of shepherds, in Germany they were culled out of a litter and destroyed by Purists and Racial Perfectionists about Fifty or more years ago, but whites were always a fact of Mother Nature. Mother Nature was always trying to improve upon itself, and because of that, some so-called "real men" always fought Mother Nature. But to this day there will always be people that will still behave that way, you will still find people that will gladly destroy any thing or any person that they say is not pure this or pure that. The White German Shepherd line was saved by intelligent beings that saw that they were more intelligent than the Black and Tans. The Muscular Big Bone Whites were able to take on any dog breed or even fight off hungry wolves that attacked the herds that they protected, the regular sized Black and Tan German Shepherds became so much more food for starving wolves. Since the Big Whites were more intelligent than the Black and Tans they were abled to fight off six or more wolves at a time. The wolves knew that any regular Black and Tan or any other common dog would be confused by an organized attack and so never feared them and looked at them as so much more meat for the Pack. A pack of six wolves could not beat a lesser number of these big white dogs.Even though wolves are more intelligent than all dogs, no matter the breed, the Big Boned White German Shepherds were able to survive all attacks, that is the reason the whites were protected against German racial purists. Hateful racists and purists in all levels of society resisted the popularity of these whites, they fought and slaughtered thousands before being accepted by good men that saw their worth and value as a superior improvement over the Black and Tan.Many years and thousands of dead whites later, the regular size White German Shepherds were accepted by Purist and racist Dog Associations as the standard to prize. But again intelligent beings ignored the Purist and racist mentalities of these German Dog Registration Associations and selected the best, in size and strength. The Big Boned whites became a social success. In American as well as world wide, they are quickly becoming the Fad to be with or in. To have a big boned white was the standard to be recognized with. Rich people would buy two or more to protect their properties and have the standard of beauty that they required as well. If you did not have a Big Boned White protecting your property you were not socially accepted as upper stature or upper class. You were just considered plain rich people or worst yet-- POOR.Women in Germany bought Big Bone Whites to protect them against men and wolves, at that time decades ago it was dangerous to live alone if not deadly, Women soon found out that muscular Big Boned Whites intimidated even great big men over four hundred pounds and so felt safe since no man, dog or wolf could take one on equal terms and live. When women lost their human (husbands) protectors, they depended on these big boys to save them from big bad men.More….http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/shephard.htmlThis is from the AKC websiteGerman Shepherd Dog Breed StandardHerding Group Color
The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified. http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm****************Hope’s Cats. 20 years old. Wow!!! I have had a few cats, but I’m not really a cat man, but I do like them. I found a kitten on a camping trip when I was about 10 years old. I t had been in a fight and lost one eye. I wasn’t allowed to keep it. A few years later I was given a cat by one of the neighbors, I wasn’t allowed to keep that one either. For a while I just didn’t deal with cats. But the last 10 years or so, I’ve gotten to know a few of them, really well, cats can really be cool. I guess the beauty is in the eye of the beholder if you take the time.Himalayan PersianHISTORYThe Persian is a widely recognized and popular breed and formed the basis of the early hybridizations that resulted in the development of the Himalayan cat. The early evolution of the Persian most likely occurred on the high, cold plateaus of Persia (now Iran and Iraq). When these cats with a longer, silky coat were brought to Europe by the Phoenicians and the Romans, the Europeans were impressed. Over the years the Persian cat has been purposely bred to perpetuate and accentuate the longhair trait.
The first step in working toward a colorpoint Persian was to cross the Siamese and the Persian. This early work was followed by years of breeding the offspring to obtain a group of cats with long hair and the colorpoint pattern. The colorpoint longhairs were bred back to Persians, and their offspring were interbred. After many years breeders had cats with many of the basic Persian characteristics and colorpoint coloring. At this point, the next step in the work began - that of obtaining breed recognition from bona fide registry organizations.more… http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/articles/persian-himalayan.htmlComputer illiterate Judge presiding over an Internet case??? Well after what we all know here, it doesn’t surprise me at all. The decision in that case no doubt, is due to be overturned.I would have posted sooner, Daily grind/grid is keeping me extremely busy, and is taking away my time, weekends too. I don’t like being this busy, life is too short, but I have to pay the bills, and lets not forget Caesar & Co...Be back soon. Thanks
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Comment #109 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 05:44:09 PT
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Comment #108 posted by FoM on May 18, 2007 at 07:46:43 PT
Thank You Once Again Michael Moore
Moore Deflects 'Sicko' Attacks***Docu draws fire from Fox News, U.S. TreasuryMay 17, 2007
CANNES -- The bigger Michael Moore's celebrity gets, the more people attack him. It's a double-edged sword: It brings him a level of attention that few documakers achieve, but it also encourages personal attacks, which threaten to undermine the credibility of his work.Complete Article: http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=Cannes2007&jump=story&id=1061&articleid=VR1117965161&cs=1
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Comment #107 posted by Hope on May 17, 2007 at 06:46:22 PT
Kinda stunning.
Judge to prosecutor: So what's a Web site?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18702311/Had Enough, Diamond sounds like a real jewel. :0)Black Diamond. Enjoy her. The hair! Which is worse, dark or light? Light, probably. I had a large white lab who just had to be named "Snowy". I got a Persian cat because the one I had before didn't shed. I thought Persians didn't shed. Enter Ollie. Lived, I think, to be more than twenty two years old. Big Himylayan Persian. My life was accompanied by, not dust bunnies...but what I liked to call, "Dust gorillas". I loved that cat, though.I, too, have known some wonderful animals over the years. I learned a lot from them and was blessed by their presence, some more than others, a bit, perhaps. I treasure their memories.German shepherds are fascinating and can be amazingly wonderful dogs. Yet...the hair! Wiemaraners were not shedding disasters. Dalmations are. But some animals, thankfully, learn to love to be vacuumed. That and plenty of brushing.I've found, in my experience, some really short haired dogs, and black dogs of any hair length can have super sensitive skin. I certainly hope she doesn't.When I got Snowy, I went to get a new hand vac. I thought it ironic that "his picture" was on the box.
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on May 16, 2007 at 09:02:24 PT
Had Enough
She sounds adorable. The socializing at the Vets office will help her when she gets older and has to go to the Vet. I dread my Rott having to go to the Vet. He has to be muzzled to be handled by strangers. He hates it! LOL!
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Comment #105 posted by Had Enough on May 16, 2007 at 08:40:54 PT
Everything under control...
I could only wish. LOL!~!Yes, she is adorable. Her baby fur is really, really soft. I watch people’s faces as they first see the dog; everybody just falls in love with her. Even people that aren’t really dog people have made positive comments, and had a certain glow in their face. She is really cool to have around here. Bride took her to the Vet. I couldn’t go but wanted. She told me he said he was anxious to get back from lunch to see us, and was expecting to see my truck when he pulled in the parking lot. She said he fell right in love with her at first sight, now that’s what I wanted to observe. All the other staff took turns playing and holding her while she was getting checked out, taking her from room to room. They were taking their sweet time too. Bride said they were there over an hour. I love it, can’t get much better than that!!! The Vet said she was perfect in every way, muscle tone hip joints, size, weight, coat, eyes, and the whole 9 yards. (BTW, where did that phrase ‘the whole 9 yards” come from???)German Shepard’s have two coats of fur. There is an undercoat that is a different texture than the outer coat. It’s oily and thick. That is their protection. It keeps them warm, but also sheds water, to keep it from reaching their skin. When you give a Shepard a bath with a hose, the water just rolls right off their coat. Shepard Dogs love water too. Chances are when a Shepard sees water, they are in it. Water hose too:-) These dogs don’t shed their hair either, they RAIN hair all over the place. When Shadow was here her was hair everywhere, you could sweep and vacuum, and an a few hours later hair all over the place again. I used to find black dog hair floating in my coffee cup from time to time. I used to think, why do these dogs have to shed so much!!! Well after she was gone, and her hair was disappearing, I truly missed finding those black hairs in my coffee cup.A while back I told you I was finding out things about the breed. I ended up learning a few things about them, more than I thought that I would know, with more to comeThere are two basic bloodlines, American and German. They also are breed as longhaired, and regular coat. I understand that the longhaired dogs are not really desirable for working dogs. Two breeders told me that the longhair was bred into them. As far as the bloodlines go, many greedy & irresponsible backyard and so-called professional breeders have gotten the two mixed together. The girl we got our pup from says she is always finding American bloodlines in dogs where owners were claiming theirs to be of German blood.There’s’ white ones too. Something is going on with that breed, more on that later. museman will be interested in this.I found out about cop dogs too. Cop dogs are very, very, high end. One girl I know is breeding (trying) Black & Tan Shepard’s. She had spent over 5 thousand dollars on one dog to just be certified and considered for police work. The certifications have to be in place before they can even be presented for police work. The dog scored very high, but was turned down because it was 1-1/2 yrs old. That police department said they would not accept a dog for police training under 2 yrs old. The dog has to be as close to perfect in every way. By the time a dog gets its badge, a lot of money and time has been spent on it. I’m guessing about 15 to 25 thousand, maybe more for some. By the time they are a cop dog, they have many certifications for this, that, and the other.Have to get back to the grind/grid stuff again… Be back soon.
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on May 14, 2007 at 09:33:01 PT
Had Enough
It sounds like you have everything under control. She sounds adorable. She will be a very good companion. I can tell. You value the importance of early training and that will make a big difference.
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Comment #103 posted by Had Enough on May 14, 2007 at 09:14:39 PT
Diamond in the Ruff
The puppy.Yes the puppy, Diamond, is cool.At about 10wks old she is already playing tricks on us. She is very smart.Within 2 days of being here, she had already found most of our prior dogs favorite spots. Inside and out. Amazing. I took her (Shadow/Eby) ashes outside and spread them in her/our favorite spots and along the fence line. I’ve never done that before. But then again I never had a dog like her. Very special. Bride seems to think she can smell her scent. I’m not sure of that, its’ been 6 months since Shadow was put to sleep.Another thing I find amazing is Diamond acts a lot like Shadow did, and plays some of the same tricks on us, and sometimes acts just like her. People I know, friends and professional dog people, say that you can never get the dog back that you lost. They will act different, have different personalities, etc… Well I never tried to duplicate Shadow, other that the same breed and gender, Solid Black German Shepard, female. I just kept thinking that any dog we get will never be like Shadow, but will be incredible in her own special way. Well l got some news for these people, it’s happening, Diamond is acting like she could be Shadows twin littermate. Pleasantly scary. I don’t try to make her do the things Shadow did, she does it by herself. So I just let it happen as it does. Cool.She KNOWS she is not allowed to get in the laundry basket. Here’s what she does. She will go over to it and stick her nose in it. You tell her no and she walks away about 2 ft. Then waits for you to take her eye off of her, she then grabs a sock and charges out the door for a game of keep away. She runs around the trees and other obstacles just fast enough to keep out of reach. If you get too far behind she will slow up until you almost catch her, then with a burst of speed she stays slightly back out of reach. And when she runs she kinda hops. It’s cool. Shadow sometimes used to do that too, when she wanted to play a trick on you.We have already started some training with her. Leash training, house training :) I have a couple of small barrels lined up with the ends cut out, she runs right through them, sometimes on her own. I have a stainless steel pan, upside down that is used to sit on (humans). I’ve seen her sit on that, It’s about 24” x 18”, about 8” tall. The fish story with the dog and shark. That shark was more dangerous than it looked. It was tired and was still a young shark. We’ve had sharks that size lying on the deck with a bullet in their head and thirty minutes later they start thrashing around destroying everything that body can wallop or everything their jaws can grab. Coolers, boat hooks, life jackets, cushions, radios, tools, fishing poles with sharp hooks flying around, thrown up in the air. Their skin feels like sandpaper, and their teeth are very sharp. You don’t want to grab them, but you have to do something as they are tearing everything up. You just can’t sit and watch, and for obvious reasons you don’t want to shoot them again after they are on the boat. I've had some interesting encounters with those sharks. They should be respected. They are really beautiful creatures. I detest people who kill them just for the thrill to kill. They are cancer free too. We can maybe learn from them.Thanks for the update on Toker00.Hope. You said a while back that you bet that puppy will be happy too. Yes she is. And that line that got posted twice, I thought the same thing, if a line had to show up twice; it couldn’t be a better one.FoM, Hope. Thanks for the ‘sweet’ compliments. I don’t try to be anything other than what I am. I just do what I do. If you received sweet, I’ll take that, thank you, but I am just a mortal man and have my moments too. We see a lot of the same things. I love that.I have a lot more but I really need to get some stuff done. Bear with me. I’ll be back.
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on May 12, 2007 at 13:52:06 PT
One More Comment
Speaking of sweet. I hope that Toker00 gets his computer fixed soon. He wasn't sure if he could fix it or if he would have to buy a new one. I thought others might wonder where he is.Had Enough that was a strange video. I never heard of a dog doing anything like that before.
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Comment #101 posted by Hope on May 12, 2007 at 13:44:57 PT
Had Enough
"Same line got in there twice."Well, it was good one!Thank you. I'm honored...and you are sweet.Lord, I'm thankful for the sweetness in life.
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Comment #100 posted by Had Enough on May 12, 2007 at 13:23:57 PT
The sign said...
Gone Fishin' be back soon...Yes FoM, Bride is enjoying the new addition to the family. She is still floating 3 ft off the floor. She is running around like a giddy high school girl. A real cool thing to see. Something desperately needed around here. She took them to the neighbors, the vet, and everybody just falls in love with that little pup. She calls the pup, her Diamond.I have more to tell but I have to get back to work on the house for now. I’ll be in contact, please bear with me. I’ll use this thread here.Wanna see something amazing? Watch this. A dog jumps out of a boat, and attacks a shark, then drags it on the beach. I’ve been fishing with people and caught sharks as big, and on occasion larger. You can believe me this… A shark half that size can kill a dog like that in a fraction of a second. Sharks are real fast, and real strong. Their whole body is one big muscle, very similar to a Pit Bull Dog. Sharks also have rows upon rows of razor sharp teeth.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=51b_1178783718
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on May 12, 2007 at 13:09:07 PT
Heads Up: The History Channel: Hippies
Sunday, May 13 -- 08:00 PM Monday, May 14 -- 12:00 AM Saturday, May 26 -- 05:00 PM Running Time: 120 minutes The Hippie movement was the most controversial and influential of modern times. Free love, the peace movement, drugs, Eastern religions and communes are explored. Meet the figures whose words and actions inspired it and destroyed it. See how the vibrations from that era are still resonating today in almost every aspect of American life, from the clothes we wear, to the Personal Computer and the Internet. Finally, historic footage, stills and period graphics are interwoven with expert commentary and eyewitness testimony.Rating: TVPG http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=221518
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on May 12, 2007 at 11:25:54 PT
Had Enough
You're so sweet. I hope you and your Bride are enjoying your puppy.
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Comment #97 posted by Had Enough on May 12, 2007 at 10:56:27 PT
Opps!!!
Same line got in there twice. I will try to do better, but I have a feeling it will keep happening. :)
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Comment #96 posted by Had Enough on May 12, 2007 at 10:52:16 PT
The Gathering
YesWe’re’ back.But we never did leave…Good to see the batteries re-charged again.Comment #60 & 63. You are very welcome.FoM, You and Hope are very special to this place. Keep on keeping on.This is a very unique gathering we have here, found nowhere else. My wishes are, that the song remains the same.FoM, You and Hope are very special to this place. Keep on keeping on.and… I have to agree with the article. The Hippies were right along, and we knew that. We knew back then, and still know it now!!!Handstands & Cartwheels!!!
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Comment #95 posted by museman on May 12, 2007 at 10:27:47 PT
Hope, et al
Thanks. That is just the kind of feedback I need to kick me in the but and finish. There are still some errors that I am finding that I will correct, like the character 'Lesley' is supposed to be 'Regis' - I just caught the descrepancy. He comes in around page 8.Never fear, there is more already written, but not compiled. Though I have some idea of the conclusion, getting the characters there is a real challenge, and there are several adventures before that happens.Like I said, this is my first real novel, I've made other attempts in the past (I once wrote a novel about Atlantis and Lemuria which actually originated the name of my first child, and a main character in wormwood - 'Ferale.') but they were rather immature, and have disappeard into my mental recycling bin.I have made some poignant references to cannabis and LSD which will not go over in some circles, but then those circles don't go over with me very well either.thanks again. Feel free to give me feedback, and I need it, but I don't want to take up too much of Cnews, so please feel comfortable to use my contact page to leave comment. (It goes to my email.)
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on May 12, 2007 at 08:57:36 PT
museman
I really like him. Don't blush museman LOL! I believe that each person is given a talent and we should use it. I just thought of a scene from Soylent Green where Charlton Heston finally understood what Edward G. Robinson was saying about how things were. We should listen to those who have seen more then we have. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on May 12, 2007 at 08:48:34 PT
It's fascinating...
watching as Museman builds a vivid tapestry out of strands of words and thoughts.
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Comment #92 posted by Hope on May 12, 2007 at 08:41:55 PT
FoM
Oh, tractor trouble. Dang.Hope you get it rumbling along soon.
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Comment #91 posted by ekim on May 12, 2007 at 08:41:03 PT
yes good going museman
your a great thinker and can put many thoughts into words.thank you to all who try to end this cannabis prohibtion.happy mothers day
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Comment #90 posted by Hope on May 12, 2007 at 08:38:23 PT
Thank you, FoM.
May you and all mother's like yourself have a sweet and blessed day.
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Comment #89 posted by Hope on May 12, 2007 at 08:35:51 PT
"acted stupid"
Mine does, too, with Adobe Reader. It locks up and takes over for a bit until it's loaded or something. It's alarming...If I use it, I try to leave it alone and let it do it's stuff before I mess with it...because it takes over sometimes...I can't even go to another screen because it kind of locks on the Adobe Reader. It's like it's taken a huge bite it can't digest....and I have to let it choke and struggle to get it down...and eventually it recovers after the reader is completely loaded.Aaargh. It wasn't so bad this time and before when I tried to load it, something called something weird, wanted to be loaded first.I'm getting into the story. At least it's getting into me. I want to know what happens. Museman's mind can be a fascinating place!The story starts slow...or I start slow...but I'm hooked and moving smoothly and quickly by page ten.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on May 12, 2007 at 07:19:10 PT
Hope
I'm glad you can read Museman's book. I have no idea why my computer acted stupid when I used an Adobe Reader but it did.I wanted to wish you and all Moms a Happy Mothers Day tomorrow. It's mowing time. Our old, old, old tractor is broken again. They are drilling something in the engine because something broke off in it. My poor old tractor. I don't know if I will be able to pop anymore wheelies with it! LOL!Have a great day.
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on May 11, 2007 at 21:45:58 PT
I like it, Museman.
I'm finishing the tenth chapter right now (distracted by duties at hand) and am looking forward to reading the rest of it.Thanks. It loaded. There was something else involved when I tried to download it before, but it was simple enough, this time.I'm finding myself getting caught up in the story. It's good. Thank you.
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on May 11, 2007 at 13:06:29 PT
museman
I hope that I will be able to check out your book but not with this computer. This old thing is starting to talk to me (makes noises). I know one day it will just quit. I'm trying to make it go as long as I can. I hope others will be able to check it out though.
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Comment #85 posted by museman on May 11, 2007 at 12:33:24 PT
Hope
If you have Adobe Reader configured in your browser, this link will open it through Internet Explorerhttp://www.terryhubbard.com/Black_Star_Wormwood/Black_Star_Wormwood_part-1.pdfOtherwise, go to the page below and 'right-click save as' the pdf link, and file will download. The format is Adobe Reader 5. It is an older format so that everything from 5 up will read it.There is also a microsoft reader version which is the graphic link on that page.Though I have been writing for a long time, as a novelist I am still experimenting. I have written further into Part 2, just to let you know that Part 1 isn't all there is.I gladly accept all constructive opinion and literary/reader criticism. I have a contact page for those comments, so it's not necessary to post them here.
Black Star Wormwood page
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Comment #84 posted by Hope on May 11, 2007 at 11:29:58 PT
Beautiful, Museman.
Thank you. It says a lot.Let me have that information again on how to download that chapter of your book...I'll try again. This computer is so weak.
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on May 11, 2007 at 10:36:12 PT
museman
That is so good. That is how I look at life.
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Comment #82 posted by museman on May 11, 2007 at 10:27:57 PT
this belongs here
Yesterday I received a message from my own hand. I think there is a piece of all of us (humanity) in it;Love Is Losing YouYou might think you got it down,
You have the finest in the town,
But Love is losing you.You might be proud of your degree,
And want everyone to see,
But Love is losing you.You work hard all your life
To reach the end of all your strife,
But Love is losing you.You might feel safe inside your box
With all your little locks,
But Love is losing you.You might think you know what’s true,
‘cause it’s always about you,
but Love is losing you.You may think you have the right
To nullify the light,
But Love is losing you.When children suffer and die,
Because you believe a lie,
Love is surely losing you.When Love is finally gone
From the road that you are on,
It will be too late to turn and see
Where it is that you now should be.So get back in your place
In humbleness and grace
Where Love finds it’s sure foundation.To pretend is not to know,
With nothing new to show,
Love is lost in the translation.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 17:26:21 PT
whig
I wish you luck in your endeavor. We all have dreams and we should follow them and hold them dear to our heart.
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Comment #80 posted by whig on May 10, 2007 at 17:12:28 PT
FoM
I am working very hard, full time, to try to end cannabis prohibition. I am not making any money doing this. I am trying to end torture. I am trying to address a whole lot of things by helping build a genuine political consensus for these changes.
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 16:33:10 PT
whig
I have interests besides our issue here. That's what I mean. I have time to learn from people who care about things that I care about besides cannabis reform. That's all.PS: Maybe you and Museman shouldn't discuss every time he posts his comments. That might help.
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Comment #78 posted by whig on May 10, 2007 at 16:28:35 PT
FoM
I was wondering because you seemed to be saying (in #66) you were looking to communicate with more people. I think CNews is still a home for this community and will always be.
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Comment #77 posted by whig on May 10, 2007 at 16:26:45 PT
Museman
I will never be your adversary, please know that. My approach of understanding is the path of challenge, because I was brought up in a society in which truth was concealed. Even among those who speak what they believe to be true are themselves often deceived.Everything for me must be tested, including myself.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 16:11:37 PT
Whig
I don't feel it would be something I would want to do. I have done CNews since late in 98 and that's all I want to do.
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Comment #75 posted by whig on May 10, 2007 at 16:04:25 PT
FoM - changing gears
Have you considered starting another blog where you could also post your own thoughts rather than just Cannabis News.Wordpress is free and very nice.http://wordpress.com/
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 12:52:03 PT
Hope
Thanks again for your comment. I agree.
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on May 10, 2007 at 12:45:31 PT
Museman
Thank you.Your response is a fine example of your "passion", which I dearly love and appreciate. I may not agree with all your ideas and opinions...but I love to warm myself at the glow and heat of their light and passion and, I might learn something.GW. On the one hand, I miss him...on the other I'm relieved at not having to endure the next spell of sheer vulgarity he found himself in. He seemed to not like women, respect wise, in particular. But maybe not. I miss some of his comments...others...it's such a relief not to have to endure them.
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 12:41:18 PT
Museman and Hope
You are the best. I still am at a loss for words. When I was a child I was never right. I always did something wrong no matter how hard I tried. I learned to become very quiet and hide away. That's how I feel sometimes now.
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on May 10, 2007 at 12:24:43 PT
This place, Cannabis News...
is more than a website. It's more than a mission. It's a profoundly spiritual and intellectual discussion and still more. It's a very educational site. It's friends and allies checking in with each other. A place for commiserating and a place to share joy. It's more than a news site. It's all that and much more.
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Comment #70 posted by museman on May 10, 2007 at 12:23:42 PT
y'all
Changes are ocurring. I think a lot of people are having some revelatory awakenings, and in general I think the over-all human consciousness is getting ready for a quantum leap in the form of a small shift in perspective. I do so appreciate your feedback on my feelings. I am struggling in my own life right now, trying to keep up with what is exepected of me by the Spirit, and I seem to be going through another phase similar to my 'saturns return' of my early thirties - old personal issues that I thought resolved coming back to bite me.I am entering into a form of discipleship (which I must do with all care and examination -I rarely 'leap without looking') and there are some aspects of my life that I am deliberately attempting to distance myself from. Lines need to be drawn in everyones life, but I am a wishy washy fish (pisces) from way back, so establishing some of those lines are more difficult for me than for some others. - I wish to give everyone the benefit of the doubt -innocent until they prove their own complicity in error, but once that is revealed, I have two choices; Take it on, and attempt to correct the error through reason , logic, and right knowledge, or ignore it and move on. If the first choice doesn't work (and often it doesn't) there is only the last. (Others might see other choices, but those aren't optional for me.)Kind of like a refined 'fight or flight' thing.When someone gives me a provocative concept to mull over, I have been known to ruminate for years on an idea before I swallow it and it becomes part of me. Most times I just need to sleep on it. Once swallowed it becomes literally embedded in my very DNA, and only an 'act of God' will move it, or cause change. To me this is my 'rock of truth' that I stand on to wage light against the dark, truth against the lie, and love against the hatred. I encounter ignorance and false assumptions every where, the earth is in a pandemic of it. In my life, sometimes these daily encounters just make me want to find a cave and wait it out. There is a part of me that won't let that happen, because I feel a certain responsibility to share what has been given me. I am just a child however aged my body gets, and my heart though hardened in some ways, bleeds every day for the children all over the world who just by virtue of 'birthright' are doomed from their first breath. I cannot sit in a cave and 'wait that out.' If my passion becomes denied and mislabeled by willing slaves of the status quo, even after I've taken pains to illuminate them, I do not seek any action against them, I merely follow the example of My Father the Most High Elohim; I turn my face away.You are all correct. I cannot deny or reject the 'gathering' of the children for the sake of one or two miscreants. Before Jerry pointed me in this direction, I made numerous attempts to plug in to discussions on many boards, political, musical, and spiritual, the results were immediate and negative - mostly because the moderators haven't the same savvy, respect, and concideration as our own wonderful FoM. I was welcomed, -not without intelligent, respectful challenge- here, and my participation has been inspiring for me, giving me hope where there wasn't any before. Knowing that you are not alone in your understandings is a very important aspect of any kind of 'fellowship'Knowing all your life that you are living in 'the last days' as some would put it, can change the way one looks at everything in this life. As we get closer and closer to the defining moment, the unecessary baggage we accumulate in our more personally selfish aspects becomes more and more evident. In the back of everyone's mind right now there is a nagging voice telling us to get our priorities straight before it is literally too late. Those who cling to ignorance as a defence of their temporal comfort and social position, only become stumbling blocks if you continue to give them credibility and power in your life, thus the lines must be drawn.There are terrible things occurring, and about to occur. In some ways they have always been, and that is often used as another excuse for spiritual laziness (as I see it), but up till the moment that it comes to a screeching halt, those who suffer will be the poor and disenfranchised throughout the world, and the tragedy is that most of them will be children who don't even understand what is happening to them. True the hoarders of resource and God's Given Providence, suffer their own inner pains - how could they not?- but that is nothing compared to what they condone, produce, and perpetuate by their "Power Ignorance."It is not up to the adherers to the disciplines of Truth to enact, or enforce anything other than their own inner convictions -on themselves and themselves alone. The fact that the gold-empowered have hi-jacked and continue to hold our God Given Inheritance hostage however, is not to be ignored. One must be careful not to allow themselves to be dragged down into the ignorance, and finite, cyclical false logic represented by the defence of error and lies, therein lies the paths to anger and defeat - finding oneself an unwitting participant in a game that they never wanted to play.I have a voice, and though few actually hear it, the few who have, and who have added their voice to the cry of truth going out, have given me the motivation to carry on.Our time to share with this medium is limited. It's a fact that can be argued against, but the argument changes nothing. As it stands, there is just no way to save every aspect of this civilization, so we have to collectively decide what we are willing to take into the next level of life here, and what we wish to leave behind. That list is already provided for us, and I'm sorry but it just doesn't include 'class,' 'propriety,' wealth beyond necessity, and false esteem of materiality over the heart and comfort of all children, not just the self-chosen few.As I have seen other 'facts' which were initially rejected by the 'common ignorance' -like eco-pollution, the imminence, being, and power of Nature - become part of the mainstream conversation (after years of condemnation, ostracism, scoffing, discrediting, imprisonment, and murder of some of the orginal few who brought it to global attention) I have no doubts as to the validity of that which is being rejected, and ridiculed now -such as the fact that civilization has failed, and needs to be started over fresh with the original blueprint provided by our Creator- will be revealed to those who truly seek the truth, and at the last moment to those who attempt to hide from it.The problem is, where do I draw the lines? I have had my love betrayed time and time again. I've had my gifts stolen and attempted to be used against me, some were used to elevate the thieves economicly and socially. It is hard for people, specially americans who were brought up to believe grave errors as 'the way it is' to believe that anyone can be motivated by something other than selfish desire. I have found that the ones who accuse me of having some other agenda than the gift of sharing (and obtaining a little credibilty -I too am a selfish being, and have desires and needs, like feeling good about what I do) are most often the ones with the hidden agendas. The tolerance of ignorance can only be extended so far, for the sake of love and forgiveness, but one cannot waste their time on the horses that just won't drink the water, who won't even look beyond their personal box, they are tragicly doomed, and one is foolish to follow them down into the pit just to make a point.Ah, thank you for your support. I am not going away, but I may reserve the right as the Rev Bgreen put it, to not respond to all challenges, as some have proved unfruitful. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings, so I felt that the best way to deal was to withdraw. You have made me warm inside, and called me in a way I cannot reject or deny. Thus I am here. I certainly have not run out of things to say just yet. I do hope that more solution-based ideas can find expression, rather than the focus on error that I seem to have been caught in. There's just a couple more things I'd like to say today.Carbon footprint - the amount of personal pollution one contributes to in their daily life.I feel pretty good about my over-all carbon footprint, and as one who actually made the kind of sacrifices that need to be made if any solution that just doesn't create more power for the rich (who can afford -besides the rich -to not pollute without personal sacrifice?) are going to be made real, I still say that credit is due. I and my family have lived and suffered poverty because I chose to make a small footprint in the collective human hoard that is trampling across the earth at the direction and whim of an elite few, and I am tired of the many degradations and discriminations made against myself and my family because of it. Those who need their boxes to sustain and contain their ignorance can just stay in their boxes, but they should also stay out of the way of those of us who are actually doing and living the necessary sacrifices to achieve solution. The powers that be always take unwarranted credit for the successes in the world, but their only success is the perpetual maintenance of the deeply steeped in error systems of the status quo which contrary to mainstream lipservice do not support those who are actually doing it, only the members of their club who parade their pitiful 'contributions' as if they were gods among men, when they are really the dross. So credit is certainly due, and if any of those who hoard natures providence want some idea of how to set their own parts of it right, I am more than willing to help.Hope; Though no one has heard from Global Warming, he and I have shared a few emails since he 'left'. He asked me to do a compilation of various writings into pdf format. I am still compiling, but I did convert the first part of my novel into pdf, should you be interested. You are also one of my good cyber friends here, and your opinion carries weight, thanks.Thanks to all of you who have offered your support. I will try to stay deserving of it.
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on May 10, 2007 at 12:21:12 PT
We're all quieter, I think.
I've noticed it recently. Like a collective listening and watching. I sense it. We all do. Something big...and better...is on the horizon.We all sense something happening, I think. Something better, I hope...either that, or the thought and opinion police will be breaking down all our doors.You know that saying, "Something's got to give." Something is "giving" in that sense, somewhere. It's in the air. I've felt it for a while now. "Something's happening here. What it is, aint' exactly clear."I sense light. I sense hope. I sense something better forming and we will be able to see it more clearly soon.
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 12:14:30 PT
Hope
I will keep hoping for change because it matters. I just can't seem to find anything to say.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on May 10, 2007 at 12:04:15 PT
"Thanks for caring"?
Of course, I do!Those are mighty light words under the circumstances.
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on May 10, 2007 at 10:55:16 PT
Hope
I won't go anywhere. I'll keep posting news as long as there is something to post. I am looking for something where I can fit in better. I feel I need to connect to people who think like me when I am not looking for news to post here on CNews. I don't comment anywhere else but I am reading forums these days. I think we each need to find where we fit to be effective. Thanks for caring.
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on May 10, 2007 at 10:44:22 PT
Museman
I agree with Dankhank. Your view on matters is so appreciated.FoM is right. You are special. So many times, I find myself relating your ideas, "I have this friend, on the internet...who says...."But I understand a bit about love...and I won't beg you to stay...but...it's not that I don't want to...it's just useless under some circumstances.Oh, Runruff. How we miss him. August? How far away it seems. I never thought they would keep that decent man penned up as long as they have. What an insult to liberty and justice.FoM, "shifting gears"? I'm hoping you haven't got any ideas about leaving the pilot's seat! This thing, Cannabis News, is going somewhere...and without you to pilot us...we'd be ruined.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on May 09, 2007 at 16:42:10 PT
Had Enough
Thank you.
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Comment #63 posted by Dankhank on May 09, 2007 at 15:25:44 PT
Museman
If I got a vote to throw someone off the island; think I might hate that saying, but it IS timely ... it wouldn't be you ...go if you must, but, stay if you like, come back soon ...
you don't have to 'splain nothing to me ...
I appreciate your view.Peace
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Comment #62 posted by BGreen on May 09, 2007 at 12:10:04 PT
I completely concur, Museman
IMHO, you were led here for a reason, and CNews.com is a better place because of you.Don't feel compelled to answer questions about what you post, just post.You're also our main connection with runruff and mrsrunruff until that miraculous day this August, and you need to be included in the major party taking place that day (or week, month, year ...) by all of us when true freedom finally rings for our brother and sister.Simply put, we all want you to stay.I don't think you really have any other choice. :)The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #61 posted by Hope on May 09, 2007 at 10:37:48 PT
Museman
We need you and many of us do so enjoy your posts...even if it's too deep for me sometimes...I still kind of enjoy the being mystified by your mysteries. I never got to load your book .... I wanted to, but I couldn't get it to...and I gave up...I can't keep up with everything as it is.But I, too, understand where you're coming from, I think. Please don't stay gone and never drop in. I hate when that happens, with anyone...but especially old friends. We're suffering through some of those situations already. Godspeed and Blessings, my friend.We need rest and peace and rejuvination sometimes and sometimes, even our usual "refuge" gets stuffy.Peace, Love, and Joy
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Comment #60 posted by museman on May 09, 2007 at 10:22:23 PT
Had Enough #58
Thanks for that, I really needed it.
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Comment #59 posted by Had Enough on May 09, 2007 at 06:58:10 PT
FoM #56
“I want to make a difference so I am looking for a way that I can do something that will be meaningful.”You are doing it. Right here and now.And for this I thank you.
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Comment #58 posted by Had Enough on May 08, 2007 at 10:23:11 PT
I hear ya museman…
And understand.Things are really twisted.I too had visions back then, around 40 yrs ago or so, and still do. I have seen things happen according to what I saw and thought, that now have become established in reality, as you say. And there’s more to come.I’ve discussed such things with others, some want to follow, some take it for what it’s worth, and some laugh and make snide remarks. You can lead the horse to the water, but if he is not thirsty, he will not drink. I try to take that in stride. I don’t want any of the above, beyond understanding, and that is all. For a few years I kept what I knew to myself, didn’t know exactly what to do. I didn’t want people to follow me. Some wanted to. I didn’t want people to think I was something other than what I am, just a man. I also didn’t like the insinuations on the other end of the spectrum. But now I have learned to some extent (still learning) when to keep my mouth shut, and when to speak out. Sometimes I feel we do better by not saying anything at all at certain times. Other times are like, strike while the iron is hot.Leveled playing field. I have, and still see that too. Life as most know it now, cannot continue. The field will be leveled. If mankind doesn’t do it in a controlled manner, natural checks and balances will prevail, the forces are in motion. And it will be a sudden shock to some. Some will survive, others won’t have a clue, and we will have to care for them too, that is if you and I survive. I’ve always conversed about that topic. I see fear in the eyes and faces of the wealthy. They cannot function without making another barrel of money before the day concludes. Most wealthy people I know are very unhappy, and live in a small upside down world that they made for themselves. They live in a realm of paranoia, but think they are in the fun house; they think they are happy meanwhile living miserly with only their wealth to keep them company. Oh Well, such is life for them. One day they might be able to see. It must be hard for those that have lived a sheltered life with blinders, not knowing what the real world is all about.When I read your stuff, I see my thoughts written by your hand, and thanks for that. In my travels I have met more than just a few who toil and strain to see clearly through the fog in order to admire the light, where most people are lucky to recognize just one person of knowledge during their entire life. I feel blessed that I’m able to experience that. But at times I also feel it is a curse and wonder, maybe Ignorance is Bliss??? My dearly departed father and I had conversations about this. When I was in my 20’s I approached him, and talked about things. He told me he knew when I was born; that I would be the one to see things. He told me as I was growing, some of the things I was saying, doing, and talking about, re-assured him of this, and that one day, I would have a few questions for him. Alas, years later that day came, it was that day. And he warned to be careful, because most will not understand what you have to deliver. It was only he and I out of the whole family that knew, and the only one at the time I could talk to about things, other than some unique acquaintances that were really cool too. I asked if we are the ones to teach others, or should we just sigh and move on. His answer was, “You are now a member of the Brotherhood of Man, and you have obligations now that you know things. I told him that at times it feels like a curse, he responded by saying sometimes it might seem that way.Through the years people have taken the “Golden Rule” of treating others as you would have others treat yourself and turned it in to Thy who has the Gold, Make the rules. Rules for everyone but themselves. And they have over paid Lawyers/liars to assure it. This cannot go on unchecked. If mankind cannot fix it, it will fix itself, with devastating consequences. How long? How devastating? I, like yourself, wait and see. The only time you see gold tarnished is when it is in the hands of those who feel they make the rules, because of the gold they ‘think’ they have.Poison Darts. I too have felt the sting of flaming darts tossed in my direction. I’ve had so many stuck in me that my skin has become thickened with the scar material. However every once in a while, the dart throwers manage to penetrate beyond the scar tissue. I try to take that in stride too, but I still stumble and falter like all men/women do. But still, I will not let these people bring me down. They are everywhere and we just have to deal with it I guess. I know what I know, and live by what I have learned to the best of my abilities. And we will never stop learning.Children of the Sun. I have a small amount of Choctaw blood flowing through my veins, a very small amount, from my fathers’ side. But that small amount seems to have been prevalent regarding my sight. I even used to wear a leather headband, when others wore polyester, sometimes I still do. And I paid my dues for it. Some people would not hire me for work. Some people would not want to be seen with me, not all people though, some liked it. Some people wanted to beat on me because of it, some did, but nobody ever walked away with it when they tried. If given the chance to do it over, many things would remain the same. The Choctaws were peaceful farmers; until they were forced to succumb to the ways of the ‘New World’, refer to “Trails of Tears” for details. When the Civil War broke out they sided with the Confederates. A war that had as much to do with slavery, as the current war in Iraq has to do with Weapons of Mass Destruction. The southern states had succeeded from the Union, and the Union would not have that. Slavery was just the excuse to go off and conduct war; in the end they turned slavery into poverty. Same thing different words. With more people succumbing to poverty. And just to make it clear for others reading, I do not support slavery of any kind.Reflections. You have warmly thanked me for good vibes. I truly appreciate that; it helps keep the batteries charged. But the real thanks belong to you. I merely reflected what I felt from you.museman. You are definitely a ‘Keeper of the Muse’ keep on keeping it up.We will see ya, when we see ya. I hope it’s not too long; I really enjoy your work.Peace be with you, my brother.We are, what we are.***********Remember this backlight poster?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_prayer***********I hope you see this post.***********The Choctaws, or Chahtas, are a Native American people originally from the Southeastern United States (Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana) of the Muskogean linguistic group. In the nineteenth century, they were known as one of the "Five Civilized Tribes," because they had integrated numerous cultural and technological practices of their European American neighbors. They are also remembered for their generosity in providing humanitarian relief during the Irish Potato Famine decades before the red cross was created. The Choctaw are of two distinct groups, the tribe (in Mississippi) and the nation (in Oklahoma).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw***********http://www.choctaw.com/
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Comment #57 posted by Hope on May 07, 2007 at 09:55:38 PT
Museman
:0(
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on May 07, 2007 at 07:21:37 PT
museman
You are very special and I understand all that you are saying. I hope all goes well for you and your family. Please stop in when you have time. I am shifting gears too. I want to make a difference so I am looking for a way that I can do something that will be meaningful. Never stop looking and dreaming.
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Comment #55 posted by whig on May 06, 2007 at 19:07:15 PT
Pilot solar tower in Spain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGVTYtJEFkYou can even grow plants under it. It's like a giant greenhouse. Think about it.
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Comment #54 posted by whig on May 06, 2007 at 18:23:47 PT
Rebuilding the grid
Enviro Mission is building this in Australia. Here's how solar power can replace the current polluting technologies.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr4d1hPPug0
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Comment #53 posted by whig on May 06, 2007 at 12:21:28 PT
Did two or more persons conspire to start a war
based on knowing deception?Iraq conspiracy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oPEfa9Lws
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Comment #52 posted by whig on May 06, 2007 at 12:17:49 PT
museman
Who knows what the next few years will bring, but if you need to approach someone and talk, you should know where I can be found.
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Comment #51 posted by museman on May 06, 2007 at 10:25:50 PT
Had Enough
There are two kinds of 'gold'; the material that rules mammon, and the kind that the original alchemists were shooting for - the gold of pure Spirit.Some don't know the difference.I believe in Eternity, not 'civilization.' I believe in the Providence of Creation, not the 'supply and demand infrastructure.' I believe in the power of love, not PG&E. I believe in respecting all life, not just that which I see scuttling to and fro on the concrete. Compromise with these beliefs has led us to the brink, and the momentum is not altered by anything I've seen yet.Some 40 odd years ago I had a vision-which was the defining moment in my life. To go into detail is more than I am willing to do at this point, but suffice it to say it was a 'prophetic' vision, similar in a lot of ways to the Revelations of John.In those 40 odd years I have seen event after event; wars, earthquakes, famine, drought, plague, floods... all directly linked to choices that the corporate ruling class has made during this time -destructive and polluting- come about, become not figments of a vision, but established in realty.The whole point and intent of 'prophesy' is to deliver a warning to whomever will hear. 40 + years ago, if the controlling factions (or even a substantial number of the duped) had even been approachable (and I am merely one of many who have tried) an incredible amount of suffering and destruction could have been avoided.The foundation values that have allowed this dire situation to come about, are so well ingrained in us culturally, that logic and reason -as our ancestors used to know it, before lawyers and hollywood turned it into something small and mean- no longer rests on solid ground.The support for the status quo is like the screaming subjects of the Naked Emporer, praising his 'new clothes.' It also uncannily resembles the narrow-minded cyclical 'logic' of the prohibition mind set.There have been choices and opportunities for the collective to 'say no' at any point (with sacrifices of course -the beast ain't gonna go down without a fight), but instead it has been the few, who were, and are still, ridiculed for their fortitude to stand against the mob momentum.The esteem that is held for the materialist, is esteem that YHWH finds corrupt and abhorrent, I merely share that prespective.The storm that is coming is literally going to 'level the playing field', and I think that somewhere deep inside, the worshippers of materialism know this and are afraid, because when the field is leveled, their power objects will no longer set them apart from the rest of us, and they will have 'to get down and dirty' just to survive. They will also have to seek out the very ones that they have rejected, ostracized, mocked, and presecuted, because they are the ones who know how to live without big brother holding their hands.I've attempted to share my understanding, to give a gift. Some have respected the giving, even if they might not completely understand, to you I extend a warm thank you.In the course of ones life, often comes a time when you must choose to put an end to profitless relationships -those that drag you down, with very little to no uplift to compensate, when continued association will lead only to frustration, vexation, and loss of good vibes. It is a struggle sometimes, because you want to love and be loved, but often that 'line in the sand' is actually drawn by those who one needs to distance themselves from, making it easier to leave them literally in the 'dust from your sandals.'I have grown weary, as I warned I might, of the picayune contest of words, and trite condemnations of my offerings and gifts -not from those who know what respect is, but all it takes is one dynamic glitch to muck up the whole works, and that my friends has reached saturation point. I've weighed the 'pros and cons' of the situation, and as much as it does pain me, I must accept the 'line in the sand' and move on.I am not closing the door on the friends I have made while here, I just have better things to do than constantly having to explain the nuances of my every expression. See ya when I see ya.
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Comment #50 posted by Had Enough on May 04, 2007 at 08:56:31 PT
Change this
‘The Golden Rule’He who has the Gold, makes the Rules. and require that all others except themselves to follow these rules.Speaking of the grid, time to go off on the daily grind. What ever little coin I make today, the ruling elite will make/take more off of it than I will.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on May 04, 2007 at 08:45:51 PT
Had Enough
Times are changing.
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Comment #48 posted by Had Enough on May 04, 2007 at 08:34:21 PT
The grid...
has been conquered by the ruling elite.It no longer belongs to the people, as we once knew of it.It has become survival of the fittest.And the fittest means those with the most money.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 22:16:58 PT
whig
Money is only a tool. It's up to us as to how we use it. If money is kept in perspective it isn't a problem. Only when a person starts loving money can it become a problem.I'm calling it a day. The Republican Debate wore me out. All I thought about when watching the debate was Ozzie and Harriet and how the Republicans want us to go back to the 50s it seemed to me.
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Comment #46 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 22:11:47 PT
FoM
I think there are a lot of people with lower profiles that maintained their integrity and still did okay for their families.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 22:07:21 PT
whig
Neil Young is very wealthy and is still living The Hippie Dream.
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Comment #44 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 22:04:26 PT
John Lennon
Here is someone that made a lot of money. And never ever sold out.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 22:04:00 PT
whig
I believe we have an obligation to take care of those who are less fortunate so my answer is no.
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Comment #42 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 22:02:26 PT
FoM
It's good to have survival skills, but I think about people who are sick or elderly and cannot do for themselves as well as us. Should we put them out to freeze?
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Comment #41 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 22:01:00 PT
Music
Baby You're a Rich Man - Beatles with Alice in Wonderlandhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A48peU161bU
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 22:00:52 PT
whig
I understand what you mean but because of the fuel shortage back in the 70s we don't trust that power and fuel with always be there when we need it. That's why I have a couple kerosene lamps and wood is always handy. We can cook on our woodstove too. We could lose power and be ok no matter how cold it would be. It's a survival skill we learned.
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Comment #39 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:58:09 PT
Environment
Some people think that individuals can clean up the environment without government. It cannot be done, because all the pollution you avoid will be produced and more by unregulated factories and others who don't care about the environment. Living off the grid is fine if you want, or need to do so for whatever reason, but it doesn't help the environment unless we do something to regulate polluters.
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Comment #38 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:55:18 PT
FoM
I don't object to people living off the grid, for sure. I'm saying it's necessary for some people, and a technological society is a benefit for most people, if we could simply do something about all the inequality and injustice.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 21:53:02 PT
whig
We had to allow a gas pipeline right of way back in the early 80s on our land. We had no choice. What was interesting in the article is bucking the need for electricity. The Amish have done it forever. We do our best to not need them like many people do. That is why we heat with wood. I can't imagine what a heating bill would be for someone heating a house. I honestly have no idea how anyone can afford it anymore.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:44:59 PT
That may be overstatement
Replace, update, modify, repair the grid, please.Just don't cut off life support for civilization.
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Comment #35 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:42:45 PT
Grid
Keeping it is a survival skill for humanity.
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Comment #34 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:41:00 PT
Dankhank
A lot of people depend upon the grid for survival.
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Comment #33 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 21:40:37 PT
FoM
That sounds like an easement dispute. If Duquesne Light has an easement established by deed or right of way, he can seek compensation but he can't cut their wires (legally). I don't see that as defensible, either.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 21:25:27 PT
Interesting Article: Living Off The Grid
Living Off The Grid Might Be Free, But It's Not Easyhttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06148/693838-58.stm
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Comment #31 posted by Dankhank on May 03, 2007 at 21:13:51 PT
the grid ...
is falling apart, mismanaged or being priced out of reach ...Living off the grid is a survival skill ...
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Comment #30 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 20:55:42 PT
museman
I am not mocking you, and I never suggested you were some kind of eco-terrorist. I asked what credit you want for living off the grid, as if it is something commendable, when it does not seem so to me. The grid seems to be a good thing, if it is properly managed. Do you want the grid to be destroyed? If not, why is it good you lived off of it?
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Comment #29 posted by museman on May 03, 2007 at 20:37:39 PT
whig#27
Any kind at all -other than more mockery in words- would be a good start. Why do you assume that I am some kind of eco-terrorist or something, wanting to 'tear things down?' Ideologies, well yes I'll admit to some of that, but actual physical structures and artifacts? That is ludicrous. Things will take care of themselves. Walls are built, and walls fall down, and are deliberately knocked down -that's the way of one facet of humanity on planet earth. I have willingly and knowingly destroyed very little other than my small part of this consumer-based eco-destruction, so why do you assume I have some kind of secret desire to see civilization crumble? I am certainly direly concerned that the way things are going that that is most likely going to happen, but that is most cetainly not the same as wishing for it to happen. There's more than enough of that going on in the 'enemy's' camp.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 19:19:58 PT
For Those Interested in the Republican Debate
Ron Paul is leading early on in the voting with 42% of the vote. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/
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Comment #27 posted by whig on May 03, 2007 at 14:22:06 PT
museman
We are not going to disable the grid, we are going to manage it better. What kind of credit would you like for going off the grid?
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Comment #26 posted by museman on May 03, 2007 at 09:50:29 PT
credit is due
Like a little acknowledegment from the status quo that many of us, who have been condemned, chastized, imprisoned, and generally extremely inhibited and limited by the enforcement of societal ignorance concerning cannabis were also the ones that decided against the Mazarrati's and Mercedes, going for the economical, less polluting small cars. While we were getting high and rejecting the notion that 'You can't fight city hall,' we were also speaking very loudly about conditions which were then developing, but are now well established in the momentum of social consumerism - eco-destruction.While the fat-cat born again Romans were driving down the road in their Caddy's tossing their garbage casually out their windows, we were creating the entire idea and current system of recycling.While the polits were busy making war and destroying lives and the earth, we were searching for alternatives, and found them a long time ago -"All you need is Love."While the corporations were ripping us off for their profits, and cutting every corner to avoid responsibility in their polluting natures, some few of us made the sacrifce of convenience for the pure unpolluting power sources such as sun, wind and water.For nearly 20 years I and my family lived 'off the grid.' I powered my house; lights, entertainment, tools, refrigeration, and most importantly in the last few years of it, an entire digital recording studio..and live performances of the band as well, from 12 solar panels. I had about $3,000 invested in the whole system which paid for itself a thousand times over, and not one watt was spent at the expense of the environment.What do you think I got in recognition? ( ) -it's in between the parenthesis.Did the public 'authorities' recognize my contribution to the health and safety of the earth? No they could not wait to take away my opportunities to live like that. They laughed at my solar panels. They laughed at my almost entirely recycled house, built from the rich man's waste and disgard.When I lost that opportunity, did the ones who benefitted from the rich land owners who pulled some legal shenanigans -because they had the money to hire the attorneys, and I didn't- did they marvel at the beauty and harmonious nature of my eco-friendly, recycled house? No they bulldozed all my and my sons years of work, destroyed in one day, and put a double wide in.Pardon me if I seem a bit bitter about this, but I think it's time that credit is given to the ones to whom it is due, and some actual real exchangeable credit for those of us who did it because we knew it was right, because we love this earth, and life upon it more than our right to party, rather than because they would get 'tax credits' or social recognition from their fellow club members in televised award ceremonies.In other words there is a debt that is owed, and belated lip service is not it.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 07:24:27 PT
Dankhank
I'm glad you liked it. What our country has become is so far removed from what I had hoped for when I was young.
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Comment #24 posted by Dankhank on May 03, 2007 at 07:08:58 PT
FoM
excellent article re: coming dictatorshipscary, too
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 06:54:25 PT
Democrat Mike Gravel on Drug Policy
I would change the whole drug policy" - Mike Gravel May 3rd 2007 Mike Gravel a Democratic candidate for President says that he would legalize Marijuana. He makes that very clear at around the five minute mark of this CSPAN call in show. I understand the idea is a long shot, but at least one politician is putting it out there. Prisons are full of American Marijuana users and maybe also Canadians soon. This clip is the second part of four from his May 1st appearance on CSPAN. The full program can be watched here.
http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/05/03/i-would-change-the-whole-drug-policy-mike-gravel/
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 06:44:34 PT
The Republican Debate Tonight on MSNBC
Rate The Republicans: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/Results from the Democratic Debate: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18300340
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on May 03, 2007 at 06:17:23 PT
Hope
You said: Who you hang with is important.I believe that what we read, what he put our energy in, we become. What I mean is what we put in our mind takes us in the direction of what we are reading. I don't read that web site because I don't want to become like them. Put good things in our minds and leave bad things to the haters. I shun nasty people.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:54:36 PT
"....almost said "loonie-tunes",
Who you hang with is important. Hanging out with a lot of those guys too long could jangle your sanity.
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:52:04 PT
Pity is really
a loving feeling. That "rush" of pity is a "rush" of love.
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:50:56 PT
"...all I felt was sorry for them."
Our FoM is not without pity.Pity the pitiless.
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:48:50 PT
Ahhh! I remember it well....
why I do avoid Freeper.Way too many (I almost said "loonie-tunes", after reading over there a bit. Rush Limbaugh wannabes and mean people and ditto heads and bigots out of control seem to weigh heavily in the Freeper population.) people over there who have "eyes filled with darkness and their whole bodies are darkness..." and many people without pity. They judge others harshly and without pity and kindness and gentleness and compassion and they are in a total mess ...because they, in turn, will be judged exactly as they judged others. They ought to be afraid. But they're not.But they aren't all like that...just more than any body should want to endure for very long. I don't like meanness and pitilessness, and mercilessness...i don't even like coldness and indifference in a human being.
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:18:08 PT
That article, of course,
was the first one I read. But it's good. It's excellent in fact. I haven't read all the comments yet. But they seem very positive...as in right...as in on our side!This article is seven years old.Don't shoot him down! At least this guy and the bulk of the commenters are with us...not against us!Hold yer fire!
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Comment #15 posted by Hope on May 03, 2007 at 05:15:29 PT
This is a good article.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ec906a5814.htm#topAnd the comments are positive. The pinko hippie crap was sarcasm.You'll are shooting wild, in this case.
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Comment #14 posted by Dankhank on May 02, 2007 at 22:04:59 PT
observer's link
scary folk, in dire need of a phattie ...I registered there, posted an observation ... will let ya'll know if it gets posted ...
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on May 02, 2007 at 20:44:07 PT
John Tyler
Very well said. I read a few posts on a web site that observer posted and all I felt was sorry for them. They seem to be jealous that some people found more of a deeper meaning to life then they have. It must be lonely being so negative.
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Comment #12 posted by John Tyler on May 02, 2007 at 20:32:46 PT
memory lane
God. This brought a tear to my eye too. You know, we didn’t read about this in some book or see it on TV. Each of us experienced it first hand. How many times have we all merged with the universe and became one with God and found our own peace, love and understanding. We have tasted the fruit of the orchard where others chose only to count the trees. It would be so weird to think that the hippie ethos could manage to save the world, but that would be an “ego trip” wouldn’t it.
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Comment #11 posted by goneposthole on May 02, 2007 at 19:48:58 PT
buy karma credits?
Not good karma, man.
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Comment #10 posted by mayan on May 02, 2007 at 18:31:58 PT
Deception
Sorry,unrelated, but all of the debate about pulling out of Iraq is just smoke and mirrors. We are building up to 14 enduring military bases there. We will be going into Iran before we get out of Iraq but there will likely have to be "justification" to attack Iran. Meanwhile, we are being deceived by our so-called leaders...Digging In:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.htmlCFR Warns Of False Flag Attack To Ignite Iran War:
http://infowars.com/articles/ww3/iran_cfr_warns_of_false_flag_terror_to_ignite_war.htmTHE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Italian TV Network Covers WTC 7 Evidence:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/020507_b_Italian.htmWhere Is the Digg Revolt for 9/11 Censorship?
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/020507_digg_revolt_911.htmlBay Area Bridge And WTC Tower Collapses: No Comparison. Here's Why:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8245Vancouover 9/11 Truth Conference - June 22-24:
http://www.v911truth.org/conference2007.html9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on May 02, 2007 at 17:40:48 PT
afterburner
We will rent Bobby. It sounds really good. Thanks.
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Comment #8 posted by observer on May 02, 2007 at 17:02:01 PT
hippies ... dope
Some strong opinions on "dope smoking hippes" can be found here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=hippies+dope+site%3Afreerepublic.com
I admit to some amusement watching people at that site get all worked up over them "dope smokin' hippies", even in 2007.
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Comment #7 posted by afterburner on May 02, 2007 at 16:50:08 PT
I Saw "Bobby" the Movie this Morning
Bobby the movie is now available on DVD
http://www.bobby-the-movie.com/If you haven't seen it yet, check it out. Bobby's speech at the end is very inspiring, inclusive and healing of divisions. Eventhough the movie, written and directed by Emilio Estevez, uses fictionalized characters, it gets the point across that a change of cultural view was happening, a repurposing of America's compassionate society. Cannabis was part of that, as portrayed by Ashton Kutcher's pot dealer character. However, cannabis was only a part of the sea change of attitudes that the RFK presidential campaign embodied. Just like today.I was surprised that such a film with such an esteemed cast could be made in the context of today's corporate-dominated media. It gives me hope that "the times they are a-changin'," that the Democratic Party can be more than Republican-lite.http://www.mooviees.com/7156-bobby/moviehttp://movies.about.com/od/moviesinproduction/a/bobby031606.htm
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on May 02, 2007 at 16:27:03 PT
kaptinemo
I'd call a Hippie too. Thank you.
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Comment #5 posted by kaptinemo on May 02, 2007 at 16:20:41 PT:
As usual, it's Evol- versus Devolution
Think about it. Since the mid-1970's there had been a pendulum swing away from the kinds of values that are mentioned in this column, and towards...what? More wars? More consumerism? Cut-throat economic competition amongst nations and the citizens of those nations? Centralization of power in the hands of those who make a big fuss about morals but are found with their names in the "DC Madam"'s little black book? More lands poisoned, more dead zone areas in the oceans, I could go on, but the author does a much better job of sketching out the flaws that that pendulum swing brought us.But the grumpy old farts who've had their way (in every meaning of the phrase) with the country and the world just don't want that pendulum to swing back...and their attititude towards cannabis is a major indicator of just how much they hate the 'counterculture'. The Bush Administration's (ha-ha) 'Justice department' is staffed with the kind of people who were shunned for their unwanted fanatically religious proselytizing...and who laughed at them the most on campus? The stoners. Why buy into somebody else's path to spiritual development when you could explore your own? Which is what many of the ones on my campus said so long ago. That enraged the ostracized Fundies even more. It was a rejection many of them never got over...and swore to revenge. This is the kind of mindset that's still trying to prosecute Ed Rosenthal and so many others. Their petty meanness knows no bounds.There used to be a sneering swipe at hippies that went, "The next time you're in trouble, try calling a for help from a hippie instead of a cop". Given that today you are far more likely to be killed by that cop, I think I'll call the hippie, after all.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on May 02, 2007 at 15:39:51 PT
Just a Comment
This article reminds me of how so many people believed similarly way back in the 60s and how far we have come. It is a good feeling.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on May 02, 2007 at 15:19:28 PT
TreeHugger: Link Mentioned in Article
http://www.treehugger.com/
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Comment #2 posted by Dankhank on May 02, 2007 at 15:08:18 PT
Knew It ...
This is an amazing column, so full of truth, so empty of hubris.I already have made 15 trifold pamphlets of this column, I plan to drop a few with some Catholics tonight, and anyone who needs it in the future.I'm putting one together with the Vaporization story, too.Good info for Saturday ...
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Comment #1 posted by Graehstone on May 02, 2007 at 12:50:26 PT
Thank you so much!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, I can't say it enough. This last part actually had me in tears.
Peace - Pot - Microdot"It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie junk no one believes in anymore. Right?"
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