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  Book Details Army Drug Experiments 

Posted by CN Staff on April 05, 2007 at 20:37:03 PT
By Richard Willing, USA Today 
Source: USA Today  

Washington, DC -- Army doctors gave soldier volunteers synthetic marijuana, LSD and two dozen other psychoactive drugs during experiments aimed at developing chemical weapons that could incapacitate enemy soldiers, a psychiatrist who performed the research says in a new memoir.The program, which ran at the Army's Edgewood, Md., arsenal from 1955 until about 1972, concluded that counterculture staples such as acid and pot were either too unpredictable or too mellow to be useful as weapons, psychiatrist James Ketchum said in an interview.
The program did yield one hallucinogenic weapon: softball-size artillery rounds that were filled with powdered quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, a deliriant of the belladonnoid family that had placed some research subjects in a sleeplike state and left them impaired for days.Ketchum says the BZ bombs were stockpiled at an Army arsenal in Arkansas but never deployed. They were later destroyed. The Army acknowledged the program's existence in 1975. Follow-up studies by the Army in 1978 and the National Academy of Sciences in 1981 found that volunteers suffered no long-term effects. Insider's Account Ketchum's book, Chemical Warfare: Secrets Almost Forgotten, appears to be the first insider's account of experiments performed on about 2,000 soldier volunteers, says Steven Aftergood, a government-secrecy expert for the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, D.C. Ketchum self-published the book, which he sells on his website. In an interview, Ketchum, 75, said he wrote the book to trigger a debate about the potential uses of non-lethal chemicals to incapacitate terrorists who take hostages or use human shields. "Incapacitating agents are designed to save lives," he said. "Isn't it at least something we should be thinking about?"Such research, says chemical weapons opponent Edward Hammond, would not only be illegal under current international law but probably never should have been performed."There are things that have taken place in the past that should probably stay there," says Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, an Austin group that opposes biological warfare.Ketchum's memoir draws from previously classified files, including filmed experiments, and notes of tests given subjects before, during and after they were fed, sprayed or injected with mind-altering chemicals. Snipped:Complete Article: http://tinyurl.com/2yzqw5Source: USA Today (US)Author: Richard Willing, USA TodayPublished: April 5, 2007Copyright: 2007 USA Today, a division of Gannett Co. Inc.Contact: editor usatoday.comWebsite: http://www.usatoday.com/CannabisNews Justice Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/justice.shtml

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Comment #113 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 17:36:16 PT
Hope
I guess your satellite is tweaked fine then. We don't check ours until it acts really screwy. I am happy with my computer satellite but it is expensive. I wish the price would drop a little but I'm sure it won't. 
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 17:33:59 PT
Had Enough
You and your wife have a good weekend and rest up and dream of your new puppy. I miss not being around puppies anymore. Puppies are so precious. What would the world be like without puppies? I know I wouldn't like it. 
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Comment #111 posted by whig on April 07, 2007 at 17:11:54 PT
museman #104
Did you mean regarding #92?Call it strong intuition confirmed by the unquestionable self-knowledge of Thomas unmatched by any of the other gospels except Mary. Thomas and Mary, they could not very well have stayed in Jerusalem.
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Comment #110 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 15:50:34 PT
Had Enough
I'm so sorry about your wife not being well. I'm so sorry that she's sick...but I'm happy she is keeping body and soul together so very well...for your sake as well as hers.
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Comment #109 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 15:46:54 PT
comment 101
I bookmarked that page. I'll discuss it with my other half.
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Comment #108 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 14:10:55 PT
"The dish could have moved or sagged." 
Believe me. No. That dish gets watched closer than most things around here and is conveniently located for daily observation and inspection,...from inside the house, as well as outside. Any, even probable, means of inteference are dealt with swiftly, without questioning, and mercilessly (pity the poor branches of my rambling rose...should she reach between that dish and wherever it's signal is supposed to be coming from) and all maintainence is done in a timely and expert fashion.:0)My husband wouldn't let that happen. He's serious about his TV time. Admittedly, even when I don't watch it...I like knowing it's there, if I should want to watch it for one reason or another.
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Comment #107 posted by Had Enough on April 07, 2007 at 11:25:24 PT
Thank You FoM.
 I’ll take all the kind words I can get.But I'm not looking for sympathy. We are all dealt cards to deal with. Things could even be worse. I just want things done right. What is Right is Right. What is Wrong is Wrong. It’s wrong for our so called leaders to drop the ball on our people then try to shrug it off and sweep it under the rug like it didn’t exist.Bride is just one, there are many others out there too, and in worse shape.I thought I would put that info there so our dear prohibitionists could see what they have done too. But for some reason, I doubt if they have any concern, probably considered collateral damage, as long as they are getting their ‘Payday”, or until it happens to them.We will carry on, and won’t back down!!!!
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 11:05:45 PT
Had Enough
I am so sorry. A puppy will help the both of you.
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Comment #105 posted by Had Enough on April 07, 2007 at 10:46:52 PT
Puppies :::---)))
German Shepard. Solid Blacks. These are rather large dogs. 22 to 26 inches at the shoulder. Very remarkable dogs.How this whole thing came together is the part that has taken my breath away. I guess I was at the right place at the right time for this to happen. It’s still kinda hard for me to believe its really happening. A very wise old timer once told me; “all comes to he that waits”So I will wait as patiently as I can.There are forces in this world way beyond the comprehension of many men.**********Bride is tickled pink, she can’t wait. She doesn’t ask for much, but she asked for this, and I will not deny this opportunity.Just a little note on Bride.She is really sick. A blood procedure infected her in 1989. We didn’t find out until 10 years later while she was undergoing another procedure. They gave her about 5 years to live. Her 5 yrs were up 2 yrs ago, and she is still here. And is doing pretty well and looking excellent, however she still has plenty of bad days.I haven’t mentioned much about that. During my research on her problems back then, is what brought me to Cnews. I’m convinced that if there were no ‘Drug War’, Bride would not have been given a death sentence. Our blood supply was contaminated, the powers that be knew (Regan/Bush), but did nothing until they were pressured and shamed in to it from Everet Koop, the surgeon General at the time.Having this pup here might help her live another 5 years, or more.…and that pup will do me a lot of good too.
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Comment #104 posted by museman on April 07, 2007 at 10:27:24 PT
whig#94
Now that statement demands a question. I would like to know what has led you to draw that conclusion? Just curious.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 10:01:27 PT
Had Enough
That is great. What is the name of the breed again? 
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Comment #102 posted by Had Enough on April 07, 2007 at 09:44:03 PT
Puppy!!!
Thank you for askingSupposed to be on its way.We decided to purchase a pup. First dog I ever bought in my life. I was looking through Pet Finder, I wanted a rescue dog. But the bride convinced me to experience getting a pup through a breeder. She was into horses and other dogs, and she and her Father had dealings with breeders. I have little experience with breeders, except for the few I called over the phone recently. They all sounded like used car salesmen. Power Steering, brakes, and windows, with vinyl top and cruise control.The girl I’m dealing with is a very responsible owner/breeder/animal lover. She is really terrific when it comes to these dogs. And she only breeds her dogs when she is ready to deal with a new litter; she sometimes waits 2 years between litters. She will not breed them every heat cycle. She told me that one of the pups would go to someone who has taken 3 of here pups already. She also said there are a couple going to people who have waited a long time to get one of her pups.The puppies are still with the mother, and it will be a while longer before they let them go, probably another five or six weeks.They have to be evaluated to see which ones go out for working dogs, show dogs, for breeding, and for pet quality. The girl told me she will have about 6 different people score the dogs in about 15 different areas on their abilities how they see them, and from there they will be placed properly.These are really nice dogs, they are very healthy and they have been breed with quality parents. Hip certifications on all the prior parents, titles and awards for herding & agility, certified for this, that, and the other, too!!! The whole nine yards. Papers go back about 40 or 50 yrs.We will spay our girl, so I don’t care about the breeding part. And all that those papers mean to me is that the bloodline is a good one.This is too good to be true, so I’m trying to be patient. I had just happened to come across this opportunity with this girl. Absolutely amazing how things like that happen. I sent her a deposit check, so that’s all I know about 'for sure' if we are getting one of those pups or not. I guess I’ll either get a pup or that check back. She has been keeping me updated on the puppies progress.The day after we decided to do this, the puppies were born. 10 of them.If it happens, It’s meant to be, if it doesn’t happen, then I guess it wasn’t.So far it’s a go.******************Hey people!!!  If you see this and have a pet, reach down and give him/her a scratch behind the ear… or maybe a belly rub…or two…..People who pet animals live longer.
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 08:27:47 PT

Hope
I'm sorry you would have to get a satellite. We pay $60 a month for the computer. It's a lot of money but I don't need a phone line but I'm not sure what an isp costs anymore. If your satellite tv is getting older it might need to be tweaked a little. The dish could have moved or sagged. I have two dishes on my house but you don't need two if a special LNB is used. When I have trouble this receiver tweaks the problem and if the satellite goes out I have page that tells me what is happening. That's a nice feature. Tech help is very kind and it doesn't cost anymore money. I wish you could see and hear some of the things we all see and hear. It really is amazing.http://go.gethughesnet.com/
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Comment #100 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 08:07:24 PT

Comment 82 Whig
Whig! I'm not supposed to hear it? I disagree! I'm just supposed to have a high speed connection to hear it this time!:0)I do understand what you mean, though.
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Comment #99 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 08:01:34 PT

Had Enough
I'm very curious about that puppy, too. Has he arrived? I thought he was supposed to the other day. 
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Comment #98 posted by Hope on April 07, 2007 at 08:00:18 PT

connections
The only other option that I may have is satellite. I'm not thrilled at that cause the TV satellite goes out at the hint of rain sometimes. I'm told it would be a lot more expensive than the thirty dollar a month connection we have through the phone. I do have a dedicated phone line.I just don't get to check out all the fun and interesting videos as easily as I'd like to. This HP machine is the slowest one I've ever had. I do like the little boy in that old commercial. I go outside and lay on my stomach on my skateboard in the driveway until the video loads. (0:Apparently the whole system went down, day before yesterday for nearly a day. It's awful to have no connection at all to you guys. So, I am truly thankful for what I do have when I do have it.
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Comment #97 posted by John Tyler on April 07, 2007 at 07:05:29 PT

radation test
You might recall that in the 40’s and 50’ soldiers and sailors were placed near atomic bomb test to see how radiation and fallout would affect them. I doubt if they volunteered for that.
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Comment #96 posted by FoM on April 07, 2007 at 06:58:54 PT

Had Enough
That was interesting. Thank you. Can I ask you if you got your puppy yet?
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Comment #95 posted by Had Enough on April 07, 2007 at 05:59:43 PT

Scripture interpretations…
Galileo vs the Catholic Church The 350 year old debate continues.In 1992 Pope John Paul II officially conceded that the Earth was not stationary - it revolved around the sun - but was this the end of the story??The disagreement between Galileo and the Catholic church began back in the 17th century when Galileo began offering observations that supported Copernicus’s theory that the planet Earth was revolving around the sun rather then the sun revolving around the Earth. The church maintained that the scriptures indicated that the Earth was stationary. Everyone knew the Earth was stationary, it was an accepted fact. For thousands of years it had been accepted that the heavenly bodies all revolved around the stationary Earth. And then Copernicus came along and published his book with these heretical ideas on astronomy that stated that the Earth was revolving around the sun. Copernicus was so fearful of the consequenses of his revolutionary theory that he waited until he was on his death bed before he published his book. His ideas were so radical that the church didn’t feel too threatened - that is until Galileo built his telescope and began discovering moons revolving around Jupiter and the different phases of Venus as it revolved around the sun. This finally got the inquisitor’s attention - these observations were in direct contrast to the scriptures - something had to be done, the scriptures could not be wrong - these heretical theories had to be stopped. They did this by summoning Galileo to a hearing and threatened to throw him into a dungeon and possibly torture him until he recanted. Galileo knew this was no idle threat since they had tortured and burnt Father Bruno at the stake along with many other heritics over the years.Galileo’s defense was that scriptures were not wrong, only the theologian’s interpretations of the scriptures were wrong. His defense did not prevail, so in the end, rather then suffer the consequenses, he recanted his theories and went into house arrest knowing that the truth would someday be known.more…http://novan.com/galileo.htm******************Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo#Church_controversy

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Comment #94 posted by whig on April 07, 2007 at 01:41:40 PT

mayan
The doors have been blown open.
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Comment #93 posted by whig on April 07, 2007 at 01:31:10 PT

Bill O'Reilly
Look who is attacking Rosie O'Donnell.O'REILLY: Well, Ms. O'Donnell and her radical pals are basically telling the world the USA is a criminal nation -- O'Donnell and actor Charley Sheen are also peddling the 9/11 conspiracy theory that the attack on the World Trade Center was an inside job. Never mind that nonsense has been debunked by "Popular Mechanics" using scientific evidence that is beyond dispute.http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/oreilly-rosie-jfk-conspiracy/
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Comment #92 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 23:00:34 PT

museman
I believe Thomas is the name that Jesus took after his crucifixion.
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Comment #91 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 22:59:18 PT

FoM #84
Okay, thanks for the suggestion.
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Comment #90 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 22:08:46 PT

FoM
Sleep well sister.Good friday to you.
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Comment #89 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 22:07:52 PT

FoM
I would be willing to wager that somewhere in the catecombs under the Vatican, there are books and scrolls containing wondrous knowledge, but, as you say deliberately hidden. Too bad we couldn't do a 'freedom of information act' writ to make them release it all.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 22:03:46 PT

museman
They picked what to use to make the Catholic Church work and keep control of the people. I have no doubt about that. All the scary Hell things came when the Church was losing people so they scared them back into the Church with Hell.Good Night! I'm beat.
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Comment #87 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 21:58:57 PT

museman
They talked about the Book of Mary tonight and the Dead Sea Scrolls. I believe there is way more then we know. Even the Catholic Bible has more books then the KJV. I'll read the Book of Thomas tomorrow when I am not so tired. No one has all the answers because the answers were lost on purpose or by accident I believe. The Dead Sea Scrolls are very important. They have done programs on them on Discovery. When I see Moslems I see so much of the same tradition that was in the earlier Catholic Church as far as prayer beads,(rosaries) Burkas and ( Nun's Habits) I believe it all is connected. 
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Comment #86 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 21:52:31 PT

The Hypostasis of The Archons
This is the 'other' story of Genesis. This comes from the 'Library of the Nag Hammadi' -the one that got out before the church squelched the rest.
The Reality Of The Rulers
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Comment #85 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 21:45:06 PT

FoM
I bring up the 'Gnostic Version' of Genesis, because it is a perfect example of a differing point of view on the same subject. In some ways, particularly to one who has been heavily influenced by christianity (most western peoples) the gnostic version is even more myth-like than the biblical, but the main characters, plot and story is there, though as I said it is 180% inverted.There are many versions of 'first man', and the spread of mankind from the original source, or 'garden' present in every culture, just as there are several 'Flood' stories, and more than a few 'YSHWH' stories. There are parts of the YSHWH story, particularly some of the 'divine aspect' parts which have parallels in older mythologies dating back to Sumeria - the oldest known civilization.A good example of gnosticism, and by contrast an understanding of why the church ecumentalists have sealed the remaining text translations known as the Dead Sea Scrolls away from the public knowledge. The language, phrasing, and metaphorical meaning is -directly translated- from a perspective that is 2,000 years old, so one really has to wrap their head around it, is the 'Gospel of Thomas' popularized in the '70's and '80's by one Patterson Brown - the 'guru' and leader of the christian cult known as the 'Christ Brotherhood.' His translation is slightly contemporized, but easier to read.This one I believe is relatively unmodified.
The Gospel Of Thomas
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 20:53:39 PT

whig
Could you put the title to the link to a video so people won't need to click the link to find out if they want to see and hear it? I ask because people might check it out if they know what it is. Just a suggestion. I posted your one link so you can see how much easier it is for particularly those who don't have a good connection.Bob, Elvis, Carole, Chrissie -Rainy Day Women (16 of 16)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJVpVgv1uA
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 20:38:04 PT

Museman Comment #26 
We watched programs on Jerusalem and one on Mary tonight. I haven't read the Gnostic version but from what they said on tv it is seeking wisdom and enlightment from within ourselves and not a church. I've always been like that after seeing how the different churches are. Being raised a Catholic makes a person look inside for answers. 
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Comment #82 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 20:37:56 PT

Hope
Wish I could send you music, but if you aren't supposed to hear it now, then that's how it's supposed to be. It works that way, you have your own areas of focus, and we all have different parts to play. Some day we will be able to look back on this time and talk about how we all experienced it.
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Comment #81 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 20:35:52 PT

#77
Both candidates were trying to cheat.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 20:29:25 PT

Toker00
I loved that it would be called Homes For Heroes. They wouldn't be free but would be affordable like HUD and FHA. It's a great way to start out since that is how we bought our first home. Our payment was $78 a month and a total of $250 for settlement costs. If we couldn't pay for reasons like unemployment or illness they would let it slide and not add on interested. 
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 20:13:08 PT

Hope
Can you get DSL or a cable modem where you live? We don't have cable out here so my only option was a satellite. The satellite has been good most of the time except when it got coated with ice or there is heavy rain. Because of a high speed connection I went thru a number of videos on Senator Obama's web site today. I watched a couple music videos on Youtube and was able to look for news at the same time if I want. I don't know what the difference in price between a cable modem and an isp is though.
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on April 06, 2007 at 20:03:31 PT

"ears to hear, listen"
It'd be nice, too, to have a connection where you didn't have to wait two hours for a song or video to load!
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Comment #77 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 18:43:37 PT

unprecedented
http://tinyurl.com/2axwqe
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Comment #76 posted by Toker00 on April 06, 2007 at 18:32:52 PT

Thanks FoM.
The only thing better would be to give them homes free of charge and no questions asked. Or, better yet, END ALL WARS and RETIRE all Military personnel and weapons permanently. I'm still listening to all of them...no one qualifies for my vote yet, but don't listen to me, listen to your own heart. I understand you, and I understand your optimism in Obama. You are not wrong to hope and listen. Keep listening. : )Toke.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 17:05:15 PT

whig
We saw the program when it was first aired on ABC. It was very moving. 
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Comment #74 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:59:15 PT

Bob Woodruff
Did you see this FoM?http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2909129
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 16:41:33 PT

whig
That's true. They can save an injuried soldier's life because the Medics are so close to them and medicine and surgery has advanced since Vietnam. I fear the concussion injuries. In the jungle there was plenty to absorb the shock of an explosion but not in Baghdad. So soldiers might look fine but have a serious head trauma.
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Comment #72 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:36:25 PT

the nice thing about presenting music
Those who understand will listen, those who appreciate will understand in some fashion, those who care to hear will appreciate. Let those who have ears to hear, listen.
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Comment #71 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:32:40 PT

FoM
I think more, from what I've read. Instead of dying, a lot of soldiers are coming back with serious injuries that would have been fatal in Vietnam.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 16:19:23 PT

whig
You're welcome. Veterans are wonderful people. They are hard headed and absolute. If they want help I hope it's available for them because this war will twist as many young minds as Vietnam did.
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Comment #69 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:15:23 PT

FoM
Thanks for helping me understand.
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Comment #68 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:14:47 PT

FoM
I hope you are right. I'm sure you know better than me.
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Comment #67 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:13:51 PT

it's not an easy problem
We need to understand that the answers are not in what we do but in whether we do it with compassion or out of some disliked and resented obligation.We cannot survive without compassion.
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 16:12:49 PT

Whig
Veterans are strong willed. No one can tell them how to think or feel after they have seen and maybe killed someone. They'd tell them where to go if they tried to imply they had a substance abuse problem because of cannabis. I think it would be hard drugs legal and illegal and alcohol problems.
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Comment #65 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:12:24 PT

FoM
I know. I'm just concerned that what the police state is doing to inner city housing is not going to get better if they provide housing to veterans in the same fashion.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 16:09:23 PT

whig
"Excerpt: In addition to problems like substance abuse,"Are they going to give them housing that forbids cannabis?

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Comment #63 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:07:18 PT

Fom #61
I'm not sure which thing I said you are referring to.
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Comment #62 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 16:06:36 PT

O Sinnerman
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2827514
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 16:00:25 PT

whig
Oh whig I don't think so. If they need help with an abusable substance I thought that's what it meant.
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Comment #60 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:57:51 PT

inter-city 123
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT0gRc2c2wQ
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 15:57:26 PT

museman
I understand now. I think if I don't understand what you mean it is because I was raised and influenced by other areas then you actually the east coast. I didn't understand Ohio language differences when we moved here either. 
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Comment #58 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:56:28 PT

inner city
Check it out. What comes and goes is regulated, alright.
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Comment #57 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:55:34 PT

worth a lot of money too
Doncha know.
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Comment #56 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:55:11 PT

Just call it ditchweed
Then nobody cares how you are "eradicating" it.
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Comment #55 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:54:17 PT

Everyone knows cops have the best pot
Don't they?They don't even have to pay for it or grow it or anything.
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Comment #54 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:48:14 PT

Did you hear trumpets?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiwiki
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Comment #53 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:42:06 PT

jam on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pWX46lJc1Y
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Comment #52 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:41:55 PT

museman #51
Amen brother.
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Comment #51 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 15:39:22 PT

FoM #38
I believe in 'focus, and hard work', -dedication- is a natural inspiration for acomplishing anything. The idea that innovation, creativeness, and 'social productivity' is dependent upon a failed system that really, really now, only serves completely the few is I believe an error.The family is the obvious form and structure of the universe - as above so below - micro-macro - therefore as you say, committing to the foundation of our families is completely natural and part of the divine nature of all life in the universe, all of God's creation.The family is the natural and true foundation of community, society, tribes and nations, but the notions of exclusivity by the mere posession of various baubles of illusory value, associated with 'family' by the ruling factions, is in my mind a preversion of the truth, and the continued support of it's totally un-natural conditions continues to baffle my logic, and vex my mind.No one is perfect. Perfection is an un-attainable state, there is always one more step. I am not sure exactly what you don't understand, but I hope I got somewhere in the ballpark.
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Comment #50 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:38:55 PT

jam it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MthZnrJAPmI
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Comment #49 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:29:05 PT

Watch what tree you eat from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_dwuF-6oY
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Comment #48 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:27:14 PT

FoM
"Excerpt: In addition to problems like substance abuse,"Are they going to give them housing that forbids cannabis?
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 15:15:20 PT

Toker00
I thought of you when I read this article because of your profession and good will. I think this is a really good idea. I'll post a couple excerpts and then the link.***Excerpt: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama on Friday said he would unveil a housing program for veterans aimed at keeping them off the streets when their service is completed.The Illinois senator told The Associated Press he would introduce legislation Monday that he calls Homes for Heroes. The plan would establish grant and voucher programs to encourage development of affordable housing targeted for veterans.Excerpt: In addition to problems like substance abuse, Obama said the lack of affordable housing has been a consistent problem for veterans. He said his legislation would address that shortfall."What we've done is we've increased voucher programs, we're encouraging grants and loans for non-profits to build affordable housing for veterans," said Obama.URL: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/06/ap3590482.html

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Comment #46 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:12:46 PT

beatles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh6NS2D0pW8
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Comment #45 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 15:06:50 PT

Toker00
Those who try to deceive others will be themselves deceived, those who tell the truth will know the truth.
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Comment #44 posted by Toker00 on April 06, 2007 at 13:27:21 PT

museman, I completely agree.
I tried to not direct the blame to Eve or Adam, but to the one who Deceived them. The battle is not between man and God, but between Satan, along with his co-conspirators (Deception in the flesh) , and God (Truth). We happen to have been given a choice and seemingly endless lifetimes, to re-affirm that choice. We already know God (Truth) has won. Knowing this, we all await our Truth.Thanks, whig. I know I can't put it as elaborate as you or museman and that's why I appreciate both of your analyses. I never assume to have the definitive answer for what we are, for no one can amass that much Wisdom in one lifetime, which is how I believe we live our existence, one biological lifetime at a time. We can't remember our previous lifetimes because that would be cheating. Our choice was not to BE Evil or Good, but to KNOW (physically experience) the difference. Life is an answer to that quest to KNOW. Each lifetime we ask, again, to know the knowledge of good and evil. It is not only our Free Will that gives us misery, but their Free Will of deception imposed on us. We love our Father and that is what makes them the maddest. They don't love God. We love God so much we agreed to prove it by being Willing players in the game of Life. We knew we would win then, and we still do. The Elite, Deceived by Satan, are miserable except when destroying the vesels of Truth, our Bodies, our Lifetimes, through War or WarpedScience or Pure Evil, and then they are only deceived into thinking they are happy, when all they are actually experiencing is the False Joy of Deception. Thanks for a GOOD FRIDAY. Peace=Truth War=Lies Toke.     
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Comment #43 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:48:11 PT

Is it raining?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJVpVgv1uA
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Comment #42 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:45:10 PT

even the damned are saved eventually
They must see there are two conditions.1) They are falling without end and cannot find purchase anywhere except;
2) Take hold of the tree, and start climbing no matter how terrible, for what lies beneath is only worse.
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Comment #41 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:42:16 PT

Toker00
There is no mystery here that cannot be unveiled. Cannabis reveals us to ourselves. If we recoil in horror at what we see, we will not use it.
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Comment #40 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:31:43 PT

heaven on earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfNyKO8OJEw
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Comment #39 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:07:36 PT

Toker00 #13
I agree.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 11:50:54 PT

museman
Sometimes I don't understand what you mean but it is a good thing to make a home for a person's family and that requires discipline and hard work. Hard work is good for us. As we stand and commit to our individual families it makes a good foundation. 
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Comment #37 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:50:24 PT

whig
Thank you for that perspective, it has expanded my ability to do just that, a minor epiphany.I now have my 'Academy' assembling, so I must attend to them. Later.
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Comment #36 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:47:36 PT

whig
I do understand. I am not only married, beginning my 30th year, but have raised 6 children, and finishing the seventh. Compromise for the sake of love, if that is the true essence of it, is divine compromise, and yes it is necessary until this reality is redeemed. That 'compromise' is transmuted into 'forgiveness.'
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Comment #35 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:44:09 PT

FoM
"...the success of Captalism totally depends on Coveting. I agree with that. That's one of the main reasons we are living in this mess of a society."The seeking after, and maintenance of Wealth and propriety, by any other name would stink just as bad.

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Comment #34 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:40:53 PT

as I see it
this is God's way of telling us to wait to start a family, too much important going on now anyhow. :)
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Comment #33 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:39:34 PT

museman
But in a marriage, what one spouse feels the other must join in feeling, and I will be bound here for a time with worry. That is how it must be, until the time there is a proof which my wife will see that will cause her to have no worry.In concrete terms, I want to make earth over into a new heaven and live here with my family in peace, and that's the plan, but we cannot start a family when we do not break-even supporting ourselves now. I could go pursue money, but I choose instead to pursue this change we are making now. What I cannot do is ignore money because my wife does not. I hope you understand the need for accepting certain compromises of this nature.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 11:29:59 PT

museman
That is one of the most important passages in my life."So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? "Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear?' For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." PS: Last night I watched a program on the Ten Commandments. The 10th Commandment is thou shalt not covet what is your neighbors. One person said that the success of Captalism totally depends on Coveting. I agree with that. That's one of the main reasons we are living in this mess of a society.
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Comment #31 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:26:34 PT

whig
In that will be found the functional reality that will displace the current illusion held by force and deliberate teaching of ignorance in the institutions created for just such purposes.As we join in true faith, fear loses it's purchase, and actual freedom becomes more apparent, and accessible.
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Comment #30 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:22:03 PT

whig
Yes they have 'done it again.' They are doing it. I submit that 90% of 'science' and 'technology' is all about regaining this 'power' and ability to control the very essence and divine seed of seed of life - what we now know as the DNA. The Nephalimn are the founders of the State, as well as the weights and measures that provide their station, power, and perpetuation. Religion as well.
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Comment #29 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:19:43 PT

museman
I've never gotten rid of worry, and cannot do so while my wife does worry, for she would be upset with me if I did not.
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Comment #28 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:18:19 PT

Museman
What say you?
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Comment #27 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:17:37 PT

also
Let the good be reflected in like manner, and in combination with the good of others, for the evil shrink from us.
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Comment #26 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 11:17:22 PT

FoM
Is there truly 'shame' in the natural form of the human body, or is that a deliberate distraction, (and invention of guilt) from the truth? "Who told you you were naked?"Check out the Gnostic version of Genesis sometime -just for contrast, if nothing else.Naked we are born, and though the dead form may be 'clothed' before burial, the nakedness is there underneath the cover.from the 'sermon on the mount;'"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 
 "Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear?' For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

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Comment #25 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:16:16 PT

karma
Let the action rebound upon the actor, until the actor ceases to act in the proscribed way. Those who understand, hear.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:14:59 PT

modern science
If they combine human and animal DNA, what have they done?And they have done this again already.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:14:20 PT

interpretation
If they create bioengineered slaves, and then have sexual relations with those slaves, they will produce children of God who are debased.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:11:22 PT

free will
Let them do what they do. To do otherwise would work a greater injury. But shine the light upon them, let everyone see what they do. Let it be known what they intend, and what will happen if they act in certain ways.We are in the time of creation now.
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Comment #21 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:06:22 PT

and see
I receive an enzyme, it preserves my life, and without it I would be dying from the inside out, for a normal lifespan perhaps, in pain.It is made from yeast which are genetically-engineered.Will you judge them evil and stop my enzyme? Or will we regulate them somehow? Or must I be sacrificed again?These are the difficult questions one of us cannot resolve alone. I need your saying, you need mine, and when two or three of us agree we create consensus.
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Comment #20 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:02:52 PT

museman
Will this repeat now, or will we stop it from happening this time? They are cloning animals, creating hybrids, including animal-human hybrids. It is now.They would create and were creating an "Adam-like" race of humans that would have the physical capabilities of any human, but very little intelligence. These would be their slaves to help them carry out their plan of rebellion against God. They had in effect taken hostage the codes of human life, and it is written that the will of God is such the He would not lose even the tiniest fraction of his creation to destruction, and all the progeny that came from that theft, were also the children of God.Because their own bodies of original ethereality had solidified into material form, and because the "beauty" of humanity was preserved in their initial genetic creations, the angels lusted and desired after Eve's sisters, and they found a compatibility. They used their slaves for unnamed debaucheries, creating the very model for what would become known later as the "original sin" but mistakenly attributed to Adam and Eve. The end result was a race of beings known as the Nephalim.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 10:55:26 PT

My 2 Cents
Since it is a Holy Day for many people around the world I'll go ahead and say what I think the Tree of Knowledge is. A child sees no shame in running around with no clothes on and that reminds me of the innocense mentioned in the Book of Genesis. When the fruit was eaten from that tree they saw their nakedness and covered themselves and felt shame. Very young children don't understand shame and neither did Adam and Eve. Now that the fruit of the tree of knowledge has been eaten people from then on see good and bad. The decision is ours as individuals what we do with that knowledge.
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Comment #18 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 10:46:20 PT

museman
"In brazen terms he challenged the Ancients of Days to produce the Person and Being of God to prove that existence. He claimed, since there was no Supreme Being, that he, Lucifer should be raised up and worshipped by all Heaven as the Godhead."http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c7_1173547096
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Comment #17 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 10:40:49 PT

Toker00
My experience of the Tree of Knowledge is a plant called Salvia divinorum. I recommend not eating it.
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Comment #16 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 09:51:00 PT

Hope
Yes I repeat this littany daily, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." At least most of them. There are some few who know exactly what they are doing, and there is no forgiveness for that decided blasphemy against the Sacred Spirit.When they gave me menengitis, I was not supposed to live. Two other companies (that I know of) had a guinea pig -one per company, both of them died. I saw one of the body bags myself as they hauled it out of the barracks. I lived because of Faith and Divine Providence, with a magical assist from George Harrison. I am an embarrassment to them, they did everything they could to cover up the evidence (not too hard since large sections of my military files are still 'classified' due to my 'top secret security' status in the Nuclear Missle program).Thank you Hope for reminding me of my responsibility to forgive. What happens to those who cannot forgive? They fight back (with anger and violence), and usually end up dead or imprisoned, or in bad health because of the darkness they embrace within themselves.I have been physically damaged by this event. Because of it and other aspects of the way I was treated, I became a social outcast,...I did not know who to trust, and all my experiences to this date have proven to me that any one who belongs to the club of power, wealth, and political control cannot, I repeat, CANNOT be trusted. (at least not by me)I am currently in battle on this subject with the VA. Just 2 days ago we discovered evidence, and my Vet Rep is on it as I write.This is just one can of worms that our government has warehoused. They are going to be revealed, along with the current worm cannisters like 9/11, very soon. The ignorance and stupidity of cannabis prohibition is 'poster boy' for government thought process -if there is any 'thought process' in their world of dark ignorance and subterfuge.Our military is just cannon fodder for the rich who make billions from their instituted wars and armed conflicts.The VA was created to protect the government from veterans, not the other way around.
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Comment #15 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 09:27:31 PT

toke
This particular subject (Adam, Eve, the 'garden of eden')has earned me great angst amongst my more fundamental christian freinds.Yes the two trees are seperate 'trees' as far as my understanding goes. However, I know that the 'tree of knowledge-of good and evil' is a metaphor for the basic dilemnas of life, and pursuing correctness.I believe quite strongly, that the xtian interpretation -perhaps even the entire Judeo-xtian historical interpretation is in error. The 'original sin' other than being mostly an invention of the church to propogate fear, and insure their power over the populace, was not in any action of 'Adam and Eve,' but the 'fallen angels' who held them hostage with that very edict '..thou shalt surely die.'The nature of creation , and free will is such that logically, the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil' represents the struggle of life and eternity against entropy and death. The 'knowledge' is a two edged sword, but without that knowledge there is NO CHOICE.The tree of life is as much a promise of inheritance, as it is an actual 'tree.' The 'Plant of renown' as mentioned in Revelations, I believe adamantly to be cannabis.I have a long story about a profound experience I had concerning the 'garden' and whom I like to refer to sometimes as 'First Man.'The foundation of guilt and sin which has held mankind in deep spiritual darkness and ignorance since Constantine formed his church of lies, is begun in Genesis, and up until the time of Yashua ben Yoseph, promoted quite vigorously by the powers that were, because it is the one tool of the state, and it's religion, guaranteed to get comliance from the masses. The biblical genesis is not the only account. The gnostics -who were literally chased into the desert, had a 180 degree prespective. The gnostics by the way, were the first church of YSHWH, and most of their writings were excluded from the bible in 1100 AD, when they compiled it...except the Apocrypha of John (Revelations.)The Dead Sea Scrolls, are gnostic writings. Is it any great wonder that the church leaders have sealed them away for about another 35 years -until after my generation is gone? That my friends pisses me off. 
Adam, Eve, and the Nephalim
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Comment #14 posted by museman on April 06, 2007 at 08:57:19 PT

whig
I did not ignore your posts, I just went to bed shortly after posting last night..and yes, I think I do agree.
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Comment #13 posted by Toker00 on April 06, 2007 at 07:36:58 PT

GCW
Some use the tree of life with permission and some don't...I believe those POSSESSED by the souls of Evil will not go near it. God says he will deny them the Tree of Life. I believe those who have merely been DECIEVED by Satan, however, will use it, deservedly, and be enlightened, and saved from Elimination. But I believe those who have WILLFULLY embraced evil will not be allowed to use it, neither for food, nor medicine. We are truly blessed to use this plant, because we reject evil. The only ones who will not be able to use Cannabis will be Satan, his outcast demons, and those they possess. If you are POSSESSED by them, you will NOT use. You will sit in war rooms and plot attacks on God's Creation. But if you turn from their deception, you may use, and not by force, but by free will. Some come to God only by Truth, some need the healing powers of the Tree of Life. That would be MOST of us.Toke. 
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Comment #12 posted by The GCW on April 06, 2007 at 06:02:21 PT

Toker00
I have often got the feeling the tree of life and the tree of knowledge were hemp and cannabis.Keep in mind, the Bible doesn't ban Us from the tree of knowledge, it says, "In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life."-0-It seems the government is the "toil"Also, Rev. 2:7, is interesting.7'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'-0- It seems that verse makes it known that if We obey and overcome (evil) We have permission to the tree of life... it is part of the circle that comes around to - hear what the Spirit says.Some use the tree of life with permission and some don't... Where do war mongers fit in? "These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts" Jude 1:12. 'Cause when We obey, We love one another, when We kill, We don't. The tree of life is here and now. How We use free will, matters.The Green Collar Worker
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Comment #11 posted by The GCW on April 06, 2007 at 05:36:51 PT

Hemp
US NH: N.H. House approves growing hemp Pubdate: 6 Apr. 2007Source: Foster's Daily Democrat (NH)Viewed at: http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070406/NEWS0201/70406027
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Comment #10 posted by Toker00 on April 06, 2007 at 05:01:45 PT

Imagine:
Here's Hemp, here's Cannabis, two DIFFERENT plants, entirely. (Just humor me for a moment. We're in Eden, after all.) God said: "This is the Tree of Life. (Cannabis) Put it IN your body. DON'T wear it. This is Hemp. Put it ON your body. DON'T eat it.Satan comes along and says to EVE: "C'mon. You can eat the Hemp, too. They look "almost" (deception) the same. God won't care! (SUUURREEEE! MORE deception) Go ahead!"Eve, with those pretty little eyes looking at Adam: "Here's our food for today. Let me know what you think of it." (Both taste the hemp at the same time.) Adam: "Eve, this is Hemp! Not Cannabis!" "But they look almost the same!" "But they are NOT the same!" "Oh God, what have we done?!?"The original Deception. They were fooled, by the influence of Satan, into eating from the Tree of Knowledge, the only thing God asked us not to do. We were banned from eating from the Tree of Life at that point, and only allowed to Re-discover it after we had lived out the allotted time for us to realize our mistake in Disobeying God. Now Cannabis (A plant of re-known), is being raised to Heal the Nations of the World. I see a mass production of Volcanoes on the Horizon. Toke.  
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Comment #9 posted by Toker00 on April 06, 2007 at 03:55:12 PT

I took this post from Prisonplanet and thought
it was enlightening, but I want someone else's opinion:"Wait. So god decides to create Adam in a world he knows to have previously unleashed "Satan" and all of his fallen angels? (I mean, unless, all-knowing god manages to forget that minor oversight...) Adam and Eve fall prey to the wiles of Satan, whom God has allowed to live despite his little number? (Satan allegedly shows Adam and Eve about sex, they were never supposed to find this out and this pisses god off...)"REPLY: "At the time God cast satan to earth, after his rebellion, he and his demons were void of all power except for the power of deception. The only reason God allowed satan to exist on the same planet with Adam and Eve is so they would have the opportunity to exercise their free will. Satan would never have had any power over man if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed the only restriction God had placed on them. Adam and Eve did fall prey to the wiles of satan by choosing to believe him rather than God. God clearly commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and that is what satan convinced them to do. God did not command then not to have sex, in fact He told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. I am not sure where you got your biblical training, but I would ask for my money back if I were you.""Wait wait... let me follow this. So god punishes Adam and Eve for listening to Satan, even though Satan is, for all intents and purposes, a creation of god's? It would be like me putting some tuna in a shark pond that -I- created, and then getting pissed the sharks eventually got to the tuna. Shame on the tuna. Wha, WHAT???"Reply: "God did not punish Adam and Eve. THEY HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GARDEN BECAUSE IT CONTAINED THE TREE OF LIFE, AND HAD THEY EATEN FROM THIS TREE AFTER KNOWINGLY VIOLATING THE ONLY COMMANDMENT GOD HAD GIVEN THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER IN AN UNREDEEMABLE STATE. They in effect gave up their rights to rule over the earth, to satan. Your tuna shark allegory is humorous, but without any basis in fact."So, guys, I was wonderin...:Are cannabis hemp and canna-bosem two genetically different plants? Is one the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and one the Tree of Life? Was Hemp created in Eden as a DIFFERENT plant from Canna-bosem? Without Knowledge there would be no need for Wisdom. Were Adam and Eve confused because the two plants looked so much alike? Eating from the Tree of Knowledge sinned against God, Eating from the Tree of Life convicts us of that sin and forgives us and begins the Healing process on our way back to God. But we had to KNOW we sinned. The original sin. Disobedience to God. The original Love. Forgiveness. But we have to ask.If Adam and Eve, while they were in Eden, had eaten from the Tree of Life, instead of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, would there have ever been War? We would all be walking beside God right now, HIGH on the Tree of Life. I knew God was a Hippie!Cannabis is a vessel, for some, through which the Holy Spirit convicts, forgives, and begins to Heal.Toke.  
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on April 06, 2007 at 00:58:09 PT

Goodnight, Whig.
Rest well. Sweet dreams.
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Comment #7 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 00:54:24 PT

Hope
Just want to say hello and goodbye. I'm disconnecting from here for awhile.Those who know where to find me will still be able to.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on April 06, 2007 at 00:34:36 PT

Meningitus in the early seventies
My first husband had menengintus then. It was bad. The nuerologist told me that night that he had a 95% chance of dying.We had like a long protracted outbreak here in Texas, I think.A seventeen year old boy died of it the next day or a day or two later in the same hospital that my husband went in.Everyone that had come in contact with him had to be vaccinated. That was a lot of people.It was so awful. His head hurt so bad. I've never seen anyone vomit like that.
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Comment #5 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 00:33:21 PT

we too will be judged
What we commit to do, we do to ourselves. Always.
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Comment #4 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 00:31:28 PT

museman
rereading myself, i hope you did not take an insult directed toward you, none was intended.I will insult those who deserve it, by speaking truth to them, by making their foolishness known. But it is a thing that requires all of us to concur in doing. We cannot do this solely one by one, but two by two we can join together.
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Comment #3 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 00:29:51 PT

museman
I want truth and reconciliation. I want the facts to be made known to all. I want those who have done evil in our name to be exposed.There are testimonies like yours that need to be heard. There are no penalties in our tribunal except for the truth, and if the truth hurts that sucks for you.Will you agree to this structure?
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Comment #2 posted by Hope on April 06, 2007 at 00:08:51 PT

 "LET ME AT 'EM!!"
I know what you mean. Your statement is full of righteous indignation and Love, Patience, and Generosity.You practice the way of God as it's been revealed to you...even when you don't want to.Love. Patience. Generosity.Three things that seem to be a part of God and that matter to Him.(You are being very generous to them, as brother humans...for Christ's sake...not to bop them one in the nose...the men anyway.)
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Comment #1 posted by museman on April 05, 2007 at 23:46:17 PT

bio warfare
It wasn't just LSD, and cannbis derivatives like synthesized THC, and it wasn't just the Army.A soldier/non-com, particularly in Basic Training, is legally, and actually treated as the property of the US Government.This doesn't even get to the tip of the iceberg, let alone the frightening truth of wholesale experimentation with modified infectious diseases, and hallucinogenics done from 1952 to 1975. (Eisenhower to Ford)Hundreds of thousands of us that were either unfortunate (i.e. poor, and got drafted) or stupid (and enlisted -like myself) were used in their various Nazi-influenced experiments. Many have died. Many have been damaged beyond repair, both physically, emotionally, and socially.I am personally on track trying to uncover documentation concerning my own unwitting particpation as a guinea pig in their crimes against us in our youth.It may very well be my blood samples which were among those used to isolate and create a vaccine for menengitis.
The USN admitted in the late '90's that one of the experiments they had been doing between 1969 and 1975 was infecting unknowing recruits with variants of the disease, in orded to create a vaccine, which they did in 1975 -without letting the rest of the world know - -if you can affect a population wholesale with a highly communicative, and debilitating disease that only your own military has the vaccine for, that is an incredible military advantage- -They got me in 1970.Of course the records that would prove it "Don't exist." Says the USN, and the VA. And everybody knows that the government doesn't lie, right? So the suffering that I and so many other veterans have had to bear, with no compassion, no concern from the corrupted bigots that continue to commit war, after war, and violate every human sanctity ever known, for the sake of the power and glory of a mighty rich few, is somehow justified? That they might sit in luxury upon the cap of their pyramid of false wealth, and maintain their power by force and only a token illusion of agreement?Apparently so.Sometimes the warrior part of me screams, "LET ME AT 'EM!!"
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