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  Anti-Pot Message Needs To Be Louder

Posted by CN Staff on April 04, 2007 at 05:56:40 PT
Opinion  
Source: Foster's Daily Democrat  

NH -- The New Hampshire House acted wisely last week in turning back an attempt to legalize the use of medical marijuana. Unfortunately, the narrow margin by which HB 774 was defeated has given enough hope to supporters that the bill is certain to return.Backers achieved their near-victory by marketing HB 774 as one of compassion.
"This is sensible, compassionate legislation that protects our most vulnerable citizens," said Stuart Cooper of the New Hampshire Marijuana Policy Initiative in a press release after the vote.During the debate pro-pot advocates offered anecdotal tales of those whose "debilitating medical conditions" have been eased by smoking marijuana. What was muddled by emotion during the debate, however, was made clear by comments like those of Rep. Joseph Miller, D-Durham."Marijuana is not a real medicine which is disease specific, nor is it a pure substance," explained the retired physician who noted that it is often contaminated with pesticides and microbes. It is also worth noting that despite the 1996 legalization of medicinal marijuana in California, proponents have not been able to produce convincing scientific evidence of their claims — evidence that by now should be widely accepted by the medical community if it existed. California has also had to struggle with the criminal element drawn to areas surrounding cannabis clubs. In November, San Francisco adopted strick guidelines "to curb street crime around its roughly 30 dispensaries and prevent sales to nonpatients," according to the Associated Press. Elsewhere, local jurisdictions where clubs were once legal have changed their minds.Then there's the even darker side of support for cannabis clubs — the one that advocates the complete legalization marijuana."Make no mistake," said Calvina Fay, executive director of Drug Free American Foundation, the issue of medical marijuana "is a Trojan horse for legalizing the drug itself and for making it available without regard to medical science."This was the same point made in a recent letter to the editor, which read, in part, HB 774 "is a small and important step in the right direction for our state and country. " He went on to punctuate his message by saying, "we should go one step further and just say no to drug prohibition."Clearly, that is the wrong message for the residents of New Hampshire who have come to understand that Nancy Reagan was right when she launched the "Just Say No" antidrug campaign in the mid-1980s.It is a message the New Hampshire Legislature needs to keep repeating until the likes of New Hampshire Marijuana Policy Initiative packs up and leaves the Granite State.Source: Foster's Daily Democrat (NH)Published: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 Copyright: 2007 Geo. J. Foster Co. Contact: letters fosters.comWebsite: http://www.fosters.com/Related Article:Medical Marijuana Measure Rejected http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22823.shtmlCannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml

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Comment #55 posted by whig on April 12, 2007 at 11:59:54 PT
museman
"I would not participate in such a thing, that would merely be a change of position - me becoming them."I see. I'm sorry I misread you before.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on April 12, 2007 at 10:17:20 PT
museman
I had to look to know what you meant about my use of the word discipline. The word discipline was used in the training of horses and it was called the discipline of riding. When I use that word it isn't about being disciplined but disciplining ourselves, which is self control, not control by anyone. That is a common use of the word for me.http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22845.shtml#38
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Comment #53 posted by museman on April 12, 2007 at 09:22:33 PT
whig
Apparently you missed it, so I repost;"I'll let them shine my shoes, wash my clothes, cook my meals, fight my wars, labor in my fields, and bow in deserved humility before all those who have suffered at their whim and desire." - I would not participate in such a thing, that would merely be a change of position - me becoming them. I do not wish to be, and will not be 'served' by anyone, at least not in that 'master-servant' attitude which is so prevalent in high society, religion, and politics. I merely put forth the example of 'what they deserve' by the 'law' of kharma - "Those who live by the sword-etc."
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Comment #52 posted by whig on April 10, 2007 at 17:29:03 PT
museman
I respect what you say, please hear what I am saying. I am uncomfortable with the metaphor of war, as you are uncomfortable with the metaphor of peace. You prefer to say "no war." I respect that word choice.You said, "I'll let them ... fight my wars."This implies you will have wars, and you will have people fighting them for you. I do not understand how else to interpret this. Can you clarify?
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Comment #51 posted by museman on April 10, 2007 at 11:04:36 PT
whig
OK, so my example aimed at revealing the disparity of 'authority' and service to that 'authority' included phrasing that, in actual rendering, may not be applicable to what we truly desire, which is 'peace.' However if we are going to continue to dispute word useage, choices of mataphor, and the like, I find that non-productive, contentious, and distracting from the point.Choices of words are personal, as are the interpretations of meaning. One can choose to understand what is meant, or failing that achievement can ask for clarification (which I have no problem with, as long as the request is genuine, and not just a redirection, or a distraction).FoM the other day used a term; 'discipline, and hard work'. I find that the word 'discipline' connotates many ideas, ethics, and moralities that I do not support, nor subscribe to, so I reiterated the phrase using the word, 'focus.' I can agree with 'focus' as compared to 'discipline.' Yet I understood what she meant, and though I provided an alternative, I did not feel the need to 'correct' her useage.Years ago a good friend of mine and I discussed the dichotemy of some basic but profound terminology. In investigation of the root meaning of the word 'peace' (i.e. 'at rest') we realized two things;one; When we are talking 'war and peace' "at rest" is not the goal, "no war" is the actual intent. two; The very concept of 'peace' by it's polar association with 'war' cannot possibly exist without the contrast. In other words there can be no peace without war.Now if I argued with everyone who chooses to express their meaning of 'no war' by using the word 'peace' -that would be non-productive, so I choose to overlook the syntax error in favor of agreement on the real goal which in this case is "no more war."As far as my example goes;"I'll let them shine my shoes, wash my clothes, cook my meals, fight my wars, labor in my fields, and bow in deserved humility before all those who have suffered at their whim and desire." - I would not participate in such a thing, that would merely be a change of position - me becoming them. I do not wish to be, and will not be 'served' by anyone, at least not in that 'master-servant' attitude which is so prevalent in high society, religion, and politics. I merely put forth the example of 'what they deserve' by the 'law' of kharma - "Those who live by the sword-etc."Accept my meanings by their intent, and if understanding is not there, ask for clarification. You ask for a 'declaration of peace', I submit that I do not recognize the 'war' (between us?) so therefore I cannot insert 'peace' into the agreement.If there is dis-agreement, I submit that it is primarily on your end, because you are not the target of my intentions, or my words -unless I so declare, and I have issued no such declaration.But if you find contention to these words, let me reassure you that we are on the same side. We share the same 'enemy' and though I may use the metaphors of war, and irony -because the status quo uses them - in my various statements, rest assured that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'
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Comment #50 posted by whig on April 09, 2007 at 15:02:50 PT
museman
Will you declare peace with me?
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Comment #49 posted by whig on April 09, 2007 at 14:28:30 PT
interesting
http://www.watchr.net/medical/cannabis
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Comment #48 posted by whig on April 09, 2007 at 13:47:10 PT
museman
I'd rather you not have people fight wars for you. Let's put an end to that.
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Comment #47 posted by museman on April 09, 2007 at 11:36:59 PT
truth should be a law
"Marijuana is not a real medicine which is disease specific, nor is it a pure substance," explained the retired physician who noted that it is often contaminated with pesticides and microbes."No, it's not 'disease specific' it's not a chemical derived from pharmaceutical greed, it is a natural 'wonder drug' that addresses a plethora of ills. Of course it's purity is directly relative to the extent prohibition has given unscrupulous entities great opportunity for profit, with no quality control whatsoever. Pesticides are an invention of greedy corporate chemical companies, for use primarily by lazy rich 'farmers' who pay their workers shit, or outsource the whole operation to another country -to the rounding applause of the WTO. If any are found in cannabis -you can rest assured that the growers are only interested in the $$, and probably employed by the US gov. -The new CIA scam> hire illegal mexicans to grow huge crops on BLM. Wait until the harvest is done, then 'bust' the crops (no mexicans around then) to show how they are 'doing their job' then sell the 'harvest' on the black market. If there is damaging 'pesticides and microbes' in the pot, why should those demonic employees of mr. antichrist himself care?'Microbes?' LOL. Wouldn't want any dirty microbes getting into their sterile reality, the pretense of 'cleanliness is next to godliness' would be revealed for the evil sham that it is.When the truth has come, I hope to see these liars and thieves get what is coming to them. I'll let them shine my shoes, wash my clothes, cook my meals, fight my wars, labor in my fields, and bow in deserved humility before all those who have suffered at their whim and desire. May their mockery follow them through all eternity as an example of how Gods' Grace and Providence was stolen by fools, and that justice does come -from God.
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Comment #46 posted by whig on April 09, 2007 at 08:43:02 PT
as to that
In this I am more child than adult, very young at that. I have only been using cannabis for a short time, perhaps I am a toddler now.
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Comment #45 posted by whig on April 09, 2007 at 08:39:16 PT
rchandar
Hence the importance of conversation between experienced cannabis users, who know how to navigate the space and teach others who are less knowledgeable. When you were a child you needed adults to teach you how to go, and you did not learn to cross the street on your own.
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Comment #44 posted by Had Enough on April 09, 2007 at 06:40:10 PT
#43
Our old friend Joyce.“During the Reagan administration, I served as president of Nancy Reagan's favorite charity — the National Federation of Parents. the government has credited the parent movement with reducing drug use by 50 percent during that time period. 
Joyce Nalepka, President Drug-Free Kids: America's Challenge Silver Spring, MDIt appears that she is still being paid well.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on April 09, 2007 at 05:25:48 PT
LTE: Anti-Marijuana Editorial Lauded
Monday, April 9, 2007 To the editor:Bravo to the staff at Foster's Daily Democrat for standing up against the drug legalization movement that is surging across America.Members of these groups that I've spoken to openly admit to their own drug use — from marijuana to heroin. One of their colleagues spoke to 100 or so students at Coppin State University and when asked, "Why are you trying to tell us drugs should be legalized? It is our black communities that are most damaged by drug use. Have you ever used drugs?""Yes, " replied the speaker, a long-time proponent of drug legalization. "I've used marijuana, LSD, PCP, cocaine and heroin."Coppin state is a black university which was, at the time, hosting a Maryland state Senate hearing on legalizing heroin as a medicine. Either we stop them at their effort to legalize marijuana or heroin will likely be next.They already have a bill sponsored by Congressman Barney Frank at the U.S. congressional level.During the Reagan administration, I served as president of Nancy Reagan's favorite charity — the National Federation of Parents. the government has credited the parent movement with reducing drug use by 50 percent during that time period.Joyce Nalepka, 
President 
Drug-Free Kids: 
America's Challenge
Silver Spring, MD Copyright: 2007 Geo. J. Foster Companyhttp://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070409/FOSTERS05/104090079
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Comment #42 posted by rchandar on April 09, 2007 at 02:14:37 PT:
whig
cannabis teaches simple, clear deductiveness. Paranoia challenges you to make use of that deductive thinking. As for being afraid, the fears are linked to your imagination--how you conceptualize fear. The cannabis user is often contemplative, but unsure how well his/her thinking will transpose onto a world that does not know how to receive thinking. we live in an egoistic and image-driven world; thinking is often muddied and imperfect. But cannabis reasoning in its ideal state should not fail, at least if the smoker is able to remain calm and rational.
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Comment #41 posted by whig on April 08, 2007 at 12:28:28 PT
rchandar
Thank you for telling me more about you, I understand you need to keep some details limited. The paranoia associated with cannabis is paranoia internal to the individual who experiences it. Let me try to rephrase it a couple different ways because I know sometimes saying something one way is not understood by someone who thinks a different way. If you are in a place where you are in reasonable fear of persecution, cannabis will make you conscious of that fact, and may make you even feel unreasonably concerned for your safety if that is the way you ordinarily feel under the circumstances. Now I'm going to try to say it a third way, and please bear with my redundancy. You are scared, and you have reason to be scared, and cannabis does not cause you to be scared but it makes you aware that you are scared.Do you agree?
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Comment #40 posted by rchandar on April 08, 2007 at 08:54:19 PT:
cannabliss
gosh, I thought that was the point. Could you picture a woman like Nancy Reagan saying anything other than "no"? If you get what I mean!But growing up, I worshipped Patti Davis. She was something, really something.--rchandar
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Comment #39 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 15:27:52 PT:
whig
hmmm--Can't really admit that I "use" cannabis; you're not in front of me and this stuff goes all over the Web. A kid got arrested for this on MySpace.com; he was proud of himself, took a photo of himself, and the cops came and arrested him.Well, I'll tell you what I know from some experience, whenever it has been. Medically? No, not really, but if I develop lung cancer (which I may, a fiendish cigarette smoker), I know it's good medicine. I know that I eat, feel healthy, and positive about the world--when I did try it.But I also know that it makes you paranoid. Uk.420 had some good spots about "potency" and skunk creating this vicious paranoia. It's all true, but life is filled with illusions/delusions that we, sober or not, often pursue.Em, the real reason I tried it, sixteen years ago. My roommate was considering committing suicide. I'd see him and he had this big knife he was cutting himself with. I was a college student, not very accepted in the ruling circles of Southern academic life. I was very disillusioned.Cannabis did teach me something--something very important which I still try to remember. You are alive. It's beautiful to be alive, and one should remember it. Whether you make lots of money and/or are popular are in fact secondary considerations--if you don't enjoy your life, then you've wasted your time.The only reason I'm not smoking is because it's ILLEGAL. I got caught once and no one's actually encouraging me to take it up again. Plus it's youth culture mostly; young adults project their language, their ideas, their experiences onto you. In my opinion there are both limitations and possibilities in the young adult; in my experience, though, once they've made up their mind about you they usually have nothing good to say. You don't meet their standards, you're not strong or rich, and to them that means it's your fault. An 18-year old "kid" has the whole world in front of him, and many second chances. A 37-year old doesn't, and he's "alien" to the world of cannabis. The discussions, the pasttimes, the philosophy are all ruled by young people. That's not exactly bad, but we have a perspective too.Sometimes I do not enjoy teaching. The college student is strong of body, free socially, and innocent in terms of experiences. ("innocent" again means second chances are possible; that changes when you get older). He/she usually hasn't read strongly the politics of dissent, so the vast majority of college students repeat mainstream discussions. Some of my students had the nuts to challenge that thinking; not usually though, no.These were people with ambitions, dreams, family, friends. I'm not so different. Yet I will say this about those students: they took advantage of me, took a free ride from my lenient behavior. I don't care; I never liked mean teachers. But that "kill or be killed attitude" which developed was totally worthless; we're all humans and have to live in this world.I hate trash-talkers. And I resent the amount of influence that they have in the world. I'm not going to tell you I smoke cannabis because someone out there will misuse the information: it's obvious, it's been done, to me. Many times I thought of entering rehab; but no, I know they will not care a dime for me (and I tried it before). All I can say is that cannabis does have value. It can be misused a number of ways, or it can give guidance. I'd say the drinker or teetotaler has many of the same psychic problems that a smoker may have. And it's value doesn't depend upon your friends, but upon YOU. Pretty much you're the only one really deciding, making use of your brain. Friends are nice, but I never knew any lasting friend in this world and don't expect it either. Paranoia is mainly destructive; it robs the individual of the sense of belonging. That's not saying that "skunk" is as dangerous as said, but it depends upon the person's behavior. Who's around you and what they say to influence you isn't it. It's your will, your evaluation of things, that matters. Quitting cannabis never restores you from that; it's definitely a lie that all problems lift when you throw away weed. Self-esteem comes into it too: you have to have the guts to confront the macho crowds of youth; you carry away the times you were successful as your example.The pleasure of smoking cannabis was a friend in my youth. No problems admitting that. But it's illegal every day, and you have to wake up in the morning and try to deal with it. No one can tell you what to do, and if they do then better start thinking whether they should be anyone to do it.rchandar
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Comment #38 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 12:03:27 PT
rchandar
Use discretion as always.
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Comment #37 posted by whig on April 06, 2007 at 11:59:39 PT
rchandar
Cannabis is medicine. Do you have a condition which it treats? I have no doubt that you do, because everyone who continues to use cannabis discovers this. All of us are dying in some way once we cease growing, and cannabis is the only thing that arrests this process and even reverses it.You are aging, and cannabis treats that.But tell your story, tell everyone who will listen, explain why cannabis is important to your life and health.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 11:18:50 PT
rchandar
Thank you. I lost both of my parents from Doctor error so I understand. The doctors didn't lose anything either. One of the things when I started doing news that didn't make sense to me was such an emphasis on Rights. I don't know who has Rights. We can say we have Rights but try to use those Rights for something they don't like and they gotcha.I believe that the 60s deepened young people's conscience and made them question the way things were and unfortunately the way things are now once again.Freedom is just another word but a good conscience can move mountains I believe. The people's hearts are getting in tune and that will make a big difference I believe.PS: I know nothing about politics or the Constitution but I do no the importance of humanity.
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Comment #35 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 11:11:34 PT:
FoM etc
By the way, three albums you should check out:Bloomfield, Kooper, Stills "Supersession". Don't know if you've heard it: absolutely my favorite album of the 60s.Tony Williams: "The Lifetime Years." Awesome.Herbie Hancock: "Thrust". Beautiful. Share it with anyone you love, especially track 3.
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Comment #34 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 11:04:44 PT:
FoM
I admire that kind of courageous statement. From the country that I come from, it doesn't come up much.Let's see. I never got to meet my father-in-law because he died two years before she and I were married. Apparently the doctor misdiagnosed him and gave him "medicine" which killed him instantly. They tried going to the courts, but he's still practicing.Every morning she looks at his photo, and prays. For many who come to this country, justice is a foreign concept. Republicans bribe them with jobs, properties, vacation getaways. But few of them seem to believe they have any "rights" in America.I'm not that way--I was raised here and knew many clear-minded women like you are. But life is telling me to drop your views and accept subservience. A lot of things would be lost--mostly, knowledge. We all live in denial of things that are often true--that's aging. I remember writing you, about four months ago. That these are the toughest two years because Bush's presidency is ending. If we survive, the most important thing we will carry is our KNOWLEDGE about INJUSTICE. A new President can repair, but with Bush a lot of damage was clearly done. An egalitarian and productive society was stripped, in six short years, of her constitution, her speakers and well-wishers, and our economy will never be the same again. Historians, I think, will speak praises for the Bush Administration, give him much credibility in the spirit of his "decisions." It would "look bad" to portray an American President negatively, and what the hell, politicians have to feel good about themselves, do they not.I still try to remember "Boyz N The Hood." A picture of Reagan, with a cowboy hat on, smiling. A black kid walks up to it, stares intently, and produces "the finger." A big failing in the Republican politician is his/her assumption of conscienceless moral decisions of usually arbitration. Now, more than ever, knowledge MUST survive. And I feel bad for these kids--there's no good way to tell them they will have less, be received and understood less. They usually laugh at me for saying that. Unfortunately, we are older and know that truth.The knowledge I'm talking about is our perspective--the sense that anybody can come here and prosper, regardless of their beliefs and lifestyles. Make no mistake about it--that's being LOST. You being from the 60s actually saw it germinate, really for the first time. You're not my mother, but I'm from that child generation which sees everything you guys built being ripped apart. PERSPECTIVE is being lost. And it's much tougher to build freedoms and make them count than it is to destroy them. Armies destroy civilizations in a matter of minutes; takes communities years--decades--to build again. That principle, I believe, is absolute. Sci-fi movies aren't real popular these days, but a lot of realistic ferment comes from those mainly "cheesey" movies. The way the government talks, it seems the police and the elites they protect can do no wrong, that it's inconceivable. Democracy depends uniformly upon ordinary citizens constructing society, building covenant, making relationships. The blank check Bush issued to the police, when he was still fighting with Gore over the contested election, is a wickedness we should never forgive.You're a good person, FoM. And if I had a few dollars (which I don't!) it would be great to meet you and your son. Friends take care of one another; today you did the job for me, and I appreciate it vastly.rchandar
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 09:21:26 PT
rchandar
It really is sad isn't it? The greatest nation, someone says, in the world and we treat those who have the most desperate needs like we do. I bet God sure frowns on our country.If a society doesn't care as far as health issues goes why would we believe they care about much of anything but their own causes and lobbyists to further their issue or just some kind of power thing?
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Comment #32 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 09:13:23 PT:
Hospitals
Yeah, not a good place at all. The "take a number and sit down" attitude is the most unbelievable and horrible aspect. Then there's paying the bill, then there's the question of whether their "services" did you any good. Yeah, my wife had a kidney stone. I sat there for about an hour with her screaming in pain. Then I decided I couldn't take it any more, all that hopeless bureaucracy.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 08:53:53 PT

rchandar 
I feel we aren't important because back when my son needed to go to the hospital because he was a part time student and he didn't have insurance and the only hospital was Cedars Sinai in Beverly Hills the experience was an eye opener. I will never forget this very tall doctor looking down at me and said we are looking to transport your son to a city hospital when he stabilizes because this isn't a charity hospital. I've never believed that they care since then.All the hosptials were jammed because of the earthquake and my son didn't stabilize so he stayed at that hosptial.
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Comment #30 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 08:42:24 PT:

FoM
WHY are we NOT IMPORTANT? Are we unimportant simply because we can't be force-fed a bunch of half-cooked ideas without scrutinizing and evaluating them, critically? No, I'm a teacher who's learned the hard way what you're saying is true. But naturally, right now I'm not accepting it very well. 
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 08:32:23 PT

rchandar 
This is a battle that shouldn't be a battle. Cannabis shouldn't be treated like it is. As we get older it makes many of us know that we aren't important and I am ok with that. I have seen enough to know that they don't care but I don't care about them either.
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Comment #28 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 08:17:16 PT:

FoM
And I'm glad to hear from you. No, things aren't exactly good, but why would it be different? Supporting legalization has deprived me of friends, and that's sorely needed these days. At an older age, it becomes much more difficult: life doesn't give you many second chances, you're expendable--completely, expendable, disposable. No one tells you anything, so you can't exactly even "follow orders". Make no mistake about it, though: the people on the "drug-free" side are decidedly NOT my friends and they are out to DESTROY me and my family. Time, and luck, hopefully will be on my side. And I hope it's on yours: age and experience and perspective never make us immune, do they.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on April 06, 2007 at 07:14:44 PT

rchandar 
It's really good to see you. I was hoping everything was ok.
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Comment #26 posted by rchandar on April 06, 2007 at 07:05:08 PT:

whig
yes, I agree. I've never killed anyone, broken into any pharmacies, raped anyone. That's all true.I don't know. It looks to me like it's very easy to be a "drug-free" person. It requires no thinking since drugs are illegal. If you look at society this becomes obvious: it's easy to say you support the government. It's easy to memorize and speak loudly all those lame platitudes about "being tough," "being an individual," "america is the greatest country." Nothing un-justifies you in supporting the mainstream view, and since you've no reason to think you won't go on, you go on. It's much tougher to believe in something outlawed. And the penalties--and the officiation--are all unfair. Murderers get parole; sex offenders get to remarry. The pot smoker is always pursued by a crowd of shame, hatred, recrimination. Sometimes people in my complex yell at me things like "drugs are ignorant!" "you're stupid!" Our society is constantly war-hawking its social demands. And there's no one to stop them: drugs are illegal. You can't even think that they could be wrong: basically it's forbidden since the person who agrees with you usually becomes a source. Go into life, into a bar, a grocery store, a nightclub: it's UNTHINKABLE that drugs could have ANY value. Burroughs wrote about the apocalypse that was coming: the hysteria, the egotistical suicides that make men men, the endless games of comparison and intrigue which defy any real moral perspective. Now it's obvious: the apocalypse has come, it's firmly in place, and it's out to sacrifice all unbelievers. Many people benefit from pot; I wish I could give some to my dad: he's suffering from lung cancer and maybe he would eat. I may not have done much in my life, but I'll be damned if I'm ever going to say that pot deserves to be criminal.--rchandar 
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Comment #25 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 20:34:23 PT

O'Reilly's head exploded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Gwz-2qB7o
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Comment #24 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:59:27 PT

catch a wave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLzw8ZxT_kU
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Comment #23 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:54:42 PT

another vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBZeWjGjl8
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Comment #22 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:48:45 PT

here is a cloud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5hBkQT3-C8
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Comment #21 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:47:49 PT

and all the other victims can be joined
One by one. Each of them, their memories must be restored to us. One by one.
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Comment #20 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:46:48 PT

mayan
It is not for him alone but for all the victims that I do this, and it is easy to focus the jurors minds on one person than to take in the whole enormity at once.There will be one murder investigated first, if this is a murder investigation. This does not mean there cannot be other charges, but murder seems like it should be the easiest for ordinary people to grasp.
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Comment #19 posted by whig on April 05, 2007 at 17:43:09 PT

mayan
I have.
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Comment #18 posted by mayan on April 05, 2007 at 17:28:37 PT

whig
He is but one who died because of 9/11. The number is in the hundreds of thousands around the world now. If you want to open a murder investigation for him go ahead.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on April 04, 2007 at 22:30:34 PT

Who killed Mychal Judge?
Ask people.
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Comment #16 posted by whig on April 04, 2007 at 22:25:53 PT

wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mychal_F._Judge
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Comment #15 posted by whig on April 04, 2007 at 22:23:35 PT

mayan
Please open a murder investigation in the name of victim Mychal F. Judge.The first casualty of 9/11.
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Comment #14 posted by whig on April 04, 2007 at 18:44:31 PT

Cannabis is good
We have found no harm in it. We have found great help from it. It heals the sick, and makes the dying to live again.Michael.
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Comment #13 posted by Toker00 on April 04, 2007 at 18:32:30 PT

I'm sorry, did he say something?
It was hard to hear what he said because of the LOUD message I keep hearing over and over that CANNABIS IS GOOD. I believe the sender of that message has made sure that it will never be forgotten. In fact, that message embraces the entire Christian Bible from the First page, all the way around to Last, even though the "Church" Prohibits it. How many Priests have covered their naked bodies with Hempen robes in the past, and how many now stand Naked, though fully clothed, because they refuse to wear the robe of Truth?John and Jesus were the same. All who seek Truth are the same. All Truth seekers were represented on the Cross that held Christ, and all our names were written on the Bullet of Death that killed John. Truth is Peace. Deception is War. Seek the Truth and be deceived no more.Toke.
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Comment #12 posted by mayan on April 04, 2007 at 18:14:29 PT

Quoting Calvina Faye?
This piece must be the work of the drug-testing industry. As usual, very easily debunked.Yawn.
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Comment #11 posted by Richard Zuckerman on April 04, 2007 at 15:12:09 PT:

NO CONSENT FROM CONCEALMENT OF THE TRUTH
"No doubt valid consent to something can often be based on less than full information, but a problem arises when the authority that seeks consent also controls available information. If someone asks my agreement to a course of action and then actively conceals much relevant information that would affect my judgment, my 'consent' is of lessened or no effect." THE RIGHT OF ACCESS TO PUBLIC FORUMS: DOES A FAILURE TO REQUIRE THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE ALTERNATIVE RESULT IN A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE?, by Whitney M. Smith, 36 Seton Hall Law Review 627, footnote 4 [2006]. As public school "education" and major media manipulate us by refusal to teach and report about government wrongdoing, e.g., [1] theft of $4.5 Trillion Wanta Plan Settlement funds by U.S. Dept. of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Vice President Dick Cheney, www.worldreports.org, www.idaho-observer.com; [2] drug money laundering in the tune of $600 billion/yr., TAX FREE, which only benefits the world elitists, while the IRS and State of New Jersey tax the poor and middle class; [3] Planned violent chaos, inside jobs, such as the Setember 11, 2001, World Trade Center, 1995 Oklahoma City federal building explosions, Waco, Branch Davidian; it comes as no surprise that this country is so much in debt and the complacent, lazy, Americans accept the fate of losing our country to the "North American Union" and employment outsourcing, continually voting for Republicans and Democrats!! 
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Comment #10 posted by cannabliss on April 04, 2007 at 12:11:39 PT

Live Free Or Die
Apparently, Foster's Daily Democrat comes down squarely on the "Die" side of things.
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Comment #9 posted by cannabliss on April 04, 2007 at 12:09:55 PT

The Good Ole Days
Ah, the Reagan years...Remember when Saddam was our chemical-weapons using buddy?Remember when Osama was our friend in Afghanistan and we helped arm him?Nancy shoulda just said no...
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Comment #8 posted by The GCW on April 04, 2007 at 10:03:20 PT

Fay is fighting against The Ecologician.
"Make no mistake," -Calvina Fay has little thought for the will of Christ God Our Father.-0-The effort to stop caging sick humans for using a God-given plant needs to be louder, and one reason that doesn’t get mentioned is because it’s Biblically correct since Christ God Our Father indicates He created all the seed-bearing plants, saying they are all good, on literally the very first page (see Genesis 1:11-12 and 29-30). The only Biblical restriction placed on cannabis is that it is to be accepted with thankfulness (see 1 Timothy 4:1-5). And, "But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?" (see: 1 John 3:17). 
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on April 04, 2007 at 09:57:07 PT

News From The SF Examiner 
Excerpt from Article:BOARD OF SUPERVISORSSupervisors to back panel on SFPD pot-offense policingA Board of Supervisors committee will recommend on Thursday the appointment of seven people to sit on a new committee that will ensure that the San Francisco Police Department adheres to legislation adopted late last year making enforcement of marijuana offenses the lowest priority.The so-called Community Oversight Committee Regarding Enforcement of Marijuana Offenses will submit semiannual reports to the board that will include the number of citations police have issued for marijuana offenses.The Rules Committee will make its recommendation on Thursday, at 10 a.m., at City Hall, Room 263.URL: http://tinyurl.com/ytz27r
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Comment #6 posted by dongenero on April 04, 2007 at 09:41:39 PT

send them the critical thinking article .......
What a ridiculous waste of the english language this article is!Cart out that same old rickety excuse for truth and reason Calvina. Invoke Nancy Reagan!...sheeesh. Someone should send this backward newspaper a copy of the previous editorial post regarding lack of critical thinking in our society.
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Comment #5 posted by Hope on April 04, 2007 at 09:05:31 PT

"strick guidelines"
That's just ridiculous for a professional newspaper. 
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on April 04, 2007 at 09:01:12 PT

This article
is pure Drug Free American Foundation propaganda trash.I'm sorry. But when I consider the many victims (or even one) of the drug war....I can't help but think of Calvina and Drug Free American Foundation and all the rest of the prohibitionists as vicious killers. They obviously think all that "collateral" damage and people killed is just alright....as long as it doesn't curtail the acting out of their anti-drug fetishes.
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Comment #3 posted by Max Flowers on April 04, 2007 at 08:47:29 PT

"Strickly" amateur writing
In November, San Francisco adopted strick guidelines "Strick"?! That typo exposes the writer as a young kid or someone seriously lacking in journalistic fiber. But, even before that typo, I could smell the government spin. 
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Comment #2 posted by potpal on April 04, 2007 at 08:26:47 PT

Re-tired
Indeed. This guy sounds old, like he saw the original Reefer Madness movie when it first came out! If he can't hear the anti-pot message that 60 of drug war propaganda has dumped out then he ought to get one of those be black funnels used by the hard of hearing. Not disease specific...hmmm...like aspirin! Good for what ails ya...Cannabis prohibition is a crime against humanity.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on April 04, 2007 at 07:17:29 PT

Another View from a Democrat
Excerpt from the Below Link: But another lawmaker who is also a physician, Rep. William Chase of Westmoreland, said he had seen the positive impact of marijuana on cancer patients he had treated. "It is another tool in the treatment options to improve the quality of life for a patient," said Chase, a Democrat. http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22823.shtml

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