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  Bob Barr Flip-Flops on Pot

Posted by CN Staff on March 28, 2007 at 09:57:04 PT
By Chris Frates  
Source: Politico.com 

Washington, DC -- Bob Barr, who as a Georgia congressman authored a successful amendment that blocked D.C. from implementing a medical marijuana initiative, has switched sides and become a lobbyist for the Marijuana Policy Project.But that doesn’t mean he has become a bong-ripping hippie. He isn’t pro-drug, he said, just against government intrusion.
“I, over the years, have taken a very strong stand on drug issues, but in light of the tremendous growth of government power since 9/11, it has forced me and other conservatives to go back and take a renewed look at how big and powerful we want the government to be in people’s lives,” Barr said.Aaron Houston, the project’s government relations director, said Barr brings a “great deal of credibility, particularly among people on the Republican side of the aisle.”“He certainly would not have been the first person I would have expected to sign off to us, but I’m very pleased that he has,” Houston said. “I’m very pleased that he has come around, and I hope he serves as an example to his former colleagues.”Ironically, Barr said he will help lead the fight to give District residents a say on whether to allow medical marijuana — the very thing the “Barr Amendment” denied them in 1998. He will lobby for the rights of states to set their own medical marijuana policy without federal interference.The four-term former Republican congressman will also work to unplug a youth anti-drug campaign which a recent study showed actually increased the likelihood that all teens would smoke pot.“A lot of conservatives have expressed great concern over the taxpayer money that is being wasted on this poorly run advertising campaign,” said Barr, who left Congress in 2003.Houston said the project is a non-profit that seeks protections for medical marijuana patients and caregivers and advocates no jail time for marijuana use. Barr said there might be “legitimate medical uses of marijuana and we ought not have this knee-jerk reaction against it, and people ought to be allowed to explore.”He said “explore” — not experiment. Source: Politico.com (US Web)Author: Chris Frates Copyright: 2007 Politico.comPublished: March 28, 2007 Website: http://www.politico.com/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml

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Comment #102 posted by gloovins on April 07, 2007 at 03:18:46 PT
politician
is latin for hypocrite
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Comment #101 posted by Had Enough on April 01, 2007 at 10:05:14 PT
What a Creep
I’d be willing to wager, he left with full retirement, benefits, whole 9 yards to boot, since he was allowed to resign, instead of being prosecuted for trolling for little boys.30 day 12 step rehab to the rescue.If he is out riding his bike, I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent extra time riding by park playgrounds.Some chairman of House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children he turned out to be.Creeppyyyyy!!!!!
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Comment #100 posted by whig on March 31, 2007 at 18:01:48 PT
Had Enough
I understand he is "out of rehab" and bicycling around town happy as a clam now.
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Comment #99 posted by Had Enough on March 31, 2007 at 10:32:57 PT
Rated XXX
READER DISCRETION STRONGLY ADVISED: Foley's Exchange With Underage Pagehttp://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586&page=1http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=241905&page=1***Mark Foley page scandalhttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Foley_page_scandal***Foley was chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, which introduced legislation targeting sexual predators and created stricter guidelines for tracking them.*****************Ran across this. Old news but thought I would put it here for those interested in our crooked & kinky politicians.
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on March 31, 2007 at 08:31:32 PT
My Saturday Motto
We need to know our enemies but we sure shouldn't sleep with them.
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on March 31, 2007 at 08:29:14 PT
Hope
I always want to see the good in every person and I sure want to have faith in the organizations that are working for marijuana reform but I get a terrible feeling when I try to believe the motives are right about Barr. It's what I call a sinking feeling."There's a man with a gun over there. Telling me I've got to beware. Stop. Listen. What's that sound?"
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Comment #96 posted by Hope on March 31, 2007 at 08:22:01 PT
Wolf in sheep's clothing?
I sure hope not. I can easily imagine him and Souder planning "an inside job". A big time narc infiltration? I can see him doing that easier than I can see him coming to his senses."There's a man with a gun over there. Telling me I've got to beware. Stop. Listen. What's that sound?"Paranoia? Maybe. He's "abused" us before. It's really hard to trust him. It feels like it might be stupid to trust him. I hope the MPP guys know what they are doing.
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on March 31, 2007 at 08:15:17 PT
Hope
I understand what you are saying.
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Comment #94 posted by Hope on March 31, 2007 at 08:13:48 PT
John Tyler
BBB is funny. I started laughing...then thought...that's what they do to us all the time. "Oh yeah. You just want to smoke dope" or "You're just a pothead." So I stopped laughing and started thinking. I really don't want to treat him like he treated us...anymore...anyway...but I can't believe he's converted and doesn't have an ulterior motive.He does look like the Grinch trying to disguise himself as Santa Claus.
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Comment #93 posted by John Tyler on March 31, 2007 at 07:36:39 PT
BBB
What can you say, but, “Bong hits 4 Bob Barr”.
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Comment #92 posted by museman on March 30, 2007 at 11:18:16 PT
toke#81
Thanks for the handshake. I'm really trying hard to see a positive face on the whole thing, but I surely don't want to waste the New Wine by trying to make the old dry skins of thousands of years of darkness and ignorance work.You pour out Spirit into that mess, and you've just wasted your blessings, burned the oil in your lamps.We need to build a new house, and the idea of building it on the crumbling foundations of the old is just stupid in my mind. New foundations need to be laid, and the old failed systems are going to have to be ultimately discarded.I would like to start building. The 'materials' are available in the form of the fresh perspective of sincere youth, and the experience of some of their elders, but the rubble of ancient ignorance still occupies the place where the new will be built -the hearts and minds of mankind.I will not allow one part of the New to be wasted on useless attempts to 'patch up' the old, if I can help it.Lest there be any confusion; I believe (with evidence) that the New Wine represented by YSHWH's teaching and example, has yet to be poured out, but the barrels are full in 'God's wine cellar' just waiting for the people to let go of the dross, and the spoiled vinegar that currently fills their metaphorical glasses.
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Comment #91 posted by museman on March 30, 2007 at 10:35:56 PT
had enough
Warranties are good, except that it seems to me that at some point they have been used a lot more than in the past. About half of the goods that I buy new, especially tech, end up going back for replacement. 50% is not a number representing efficiency. I buy a lot of used computer stuff, on the theory that if it's worked for so long, it's more than likely going to work.I too got my A+ training at a local community college. I too was the oldest. In fact it was during the time leading up to Iraq. Not only was that group the oldest colection of nerds one has ever seen -me being the oldest, but they were all very 'patriotic americans' and I was incredibly outnumbered. But I guess they all had to change their opinion of me at some point, because they were all pretty intelligent, and it don't take much smarts to see what is going on now. I hope to run into one or two of them someday and ask them if they changed their opinins about George.
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Comment #90 posted by Hope on March 30, 2007 at 09:52:22 PT
as an "edge" in comment 84
should have read "has an edge".Yes...my spelling and proofreading has recently declined even more. Had to redo something a while back and haven't been able to get any spell checks to load and going to the dictionary on every word I'm a little unsure of...well...time restrictions require that I just move on with it, which has caused me to proofread less, too. Sorry.
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Comment #89 posted by Toker00 on March 30, 2007 at 09:46:40 PT
Had Enough!
Woof! Woof! Woof, Woof, Woof!Toke.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on March 30, 2007 at 09:22:04 PT
Hope
Thank you for the article. I have it posted now.
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on March 30, 2007 at 09:00:15 PT
About Dutton's bill in Texas
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n407/a09.html?397
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Comment #86 posted by Hope on March 30, 2007 at 08:05:04 PT
Is this the thread with the "gnarly ol' dude"
Great! (Or as my grandson would say..."Sweet".)
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Comment #85 posted by Hope on March 30, 2007 at 08:02:13 PT
Puppy
Bet the puppy will be happy, too.:0)
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Comment #84 posted by Hope on March 30, 2007 at 08:00:57 PT
Perhaps, first media attack on Bob Barr?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070330/D8O6A20G2.htmlI find it odd that this story would appear today, from Georgia. The story, to me, as an "edge" that makes me think they've been sitting on it for some time... and they choose now, the day after the so called, "flip-flopping", (And that "flip-flopping" business, in itself, is a huge insult among them, they release it.Surely he knows and knew this was going to happen. After all he was one of them, big time. He would have certainly struck, with venom, anyone else who had joined MPP from their ranks. 
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on March 30, 2007 at 06:34:56 PT
Had Enough 
The puppy is on the way! Please take some pictures for us to see. Have a nice day at work.
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Comment #82 posted by Had Enough on March 30, 2007 at 06:32:30 PT
museman #52
Thanks, that’s good to know. For now though, this machine is under warranty. I have two hard drives setup in a RAID configuration. They mirror each other, if I lose one; I still have an identical twin. One of them is failing. They sent me through a diagnostics procedure that ran all night; I estimate about 16 hrs. worth.  I still haven’t fixed it entirely, but when I call back with the error codes, I suspect they will offer a new hard drive. They said they might even send someone out to install it. So far the tech guys have been ok. I’ve had to do a lot of stuff (grid stuff) and will have a full plate for a few more days. I just hope the other drive doesn’t fail in the meantime.I had to rebuild the data on the same drive that is failing now, about 6 months ago, which took about 2 hrs, and was fine up till a week ago. That is why the tech guy wanted that long test to run.I built my last computer and got about 5 years out of it, and it still works today but no longer connected to Internet. A hard drive failed in it, so I took that as a hint and bought the one I have now already assembled from the factory, it arrived like 2 or 3 days after ordering it. I would have liked to have built another one but time was closing in on me and didn’t have the proper time for research for parts, current configuration types, chip sets, where to order, and all that stuff, and meet my deadlines all at the same time. But anywho, it still works, if I can get by until about Tuesday, I think everything will be okay.Microsoft A+ trained. Cool. I know a few “truly gnarly old dudes” that are certified. I was in line for that, but fate dragged me off in another direction. I attended some classes at the local community collage a few years back. It was cool, and kinda odd at the same time. I was the oldest one in the crowd, older than some of the instructors. But I couldn’t finish for reasons beyond my control. Got A’s too.Hole In My Mind - Nice Video, bride really liked it too.I’m thinkn’ “Fruits of Labor”…….FoM, Toker00, and all the other fine C-News people: puppy on its way!!! :::::-))))) (handstands, cartwheels, & shouting from the rooftops) I think… So far, it’s a go…. details later...Have to split now, off to the grind…Wow!!! Bob Barr!!! Amazing, but let’s see what he does…???
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Comment #81 posted by Toker00 on March 30, 2007 at 03:01:50 PT
museman
You are right. Religions, ALL religions, are businesses. Each one has a figure head they vow financial or national allegiance to. Rome created the business of Christianity. Christ did not create Christianity, it created him. Christ merely (?) taught Righteousness, or simply telling the Truth AND doing the Right thing. Rome created Christianity to War in it's Name. It became the business of The Government of Man under the Fear of the Unknown, or God. And yes, I understand that all Philosophies are not Religions and do not include these Philosophies in the condemnation of Religions. There is only one God. No religion. Only Righteousness. The World has been deceived by the Business of Religion. The Love of Money over the Love of God, The Love of Religion over the Love of Righteousness. No wonder the world perishes.No, I mean you are right about wasting our time with the Pols. and Governments in general. They will NEVER make the changes we need, and in a hurry! My respect.Toke. 
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Comment #80 posted by whig on March 30, 2007 at 00:05:27 PT
on that note
I agree with you, the true church is found wherever two or more are gathered. The true church is right here.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on March 30, 2007 at 00:03:43 PT
FoM
I have little to say to the RCC at this time. I am waiting for them to find humility.
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Comment #78 posted by afterburner on March 29, 2007 at 22:24:03 PT
Welcome New Arrivals, but Stand Firm on the Basics
As our numbers grow, we will undoubtedly find that we do not totally agree with the methods and motives of some of the new crowd. This is the price of victory and will require some standing firm and some compromise and lots of information/explanation. For example, treatment instead of caging can be forced treatment to avoid caging; it can be chemical antagonists that deactivate cannabis spirituality. Or treatment can be voluntary for those who really require it.This grow-op business will be easily defused by allowing individual cultivation. The intellectual property with patents is a nightmare scenario that spits in the face of cannabis spirituality. When governments stop spying on gardeners, there will be no need to steal electricity, rip-off gardens, set booby traps or use harmful chemicals.God said that cannabis is good. The Marihuana Tax Act and the Controlled Substances Act are diabolical domination bent on destroying our culture and suppressing minorities. The side effects are illnesses of human and animal, deprived of the natural balancing that cannabinoids provide. The destruction of freedom, family and livelihood are heinous insults to the American Dream and to true patriots, like Jerry.This impaired driving red herring is yet another flight of political control, masquerading as safety, when actually it is devoid of scientific basis, like the Schedules of the CSA.The following articles and LTEs demonstrate the complexity of getting reformed prohibitionists to "see the light": CN AB: Krieger Gets Four Months, Regina Leader-Post, (28 Mar 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n405/a09.html?176CN AB: Pot Advocate Must Get Drug In Jail, Calgary Herald, (28 Mar 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n404/a02.html?176CN NS: PUB LTE: Tory Majority Would Mean War On Medical Marijuana, The Evening News, (27 Mar 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n404/a04.html?176Canada: Report Suggests Ways To Curb Substance Abuse By Young, Globe and Mail, (28 Mar 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n403/a05.html?176CN BC: Taxation Good Defence Against Substance Abuse, Victoria Times-Colonist, (27 Mar 2007) 
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n396/a02.html?176
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 18:46:11 PT
museman
I understand. I don't involve myself in any organized religion anymore. I gave up when the Christian Coalition jumped on the Republican's bandwagon. I quit because I knew they would work with the Republicans and make the kind of moral laws they want and that was wrong.
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Comment #76 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 17:10:29 PT
FoM
Amen sister.
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Comment #75 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 17:09:50 PT
#72 continued
Instead of a reality viewed and experienced as,
"Wheels within wheels," we have "Boxes within boxes." Some folks might think that there's not much difference, but you just try turning a box inside a box. Not only is that a difference of perspective, but limiter of smooth movement.
(no one need to destroy my metaphor by pointing out the obvious fact that there are boxes of just about any shape and size you can order:)There's just no way for me to give all credibility to the institutions of religion. Credit is given where credit is due -the people. When the people manifest their faith and belief -by taking the opportunities that God -not the church- provides, then you have a truly efficient and powerful 'congregation.'
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 17:00:51 PT
museman
The way I see it is where two or more are gathered....
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Comment #73 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 16:48:06 PT
FoM #71
Once one really meets the muse, there just is no going back.
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Comment #72 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 16:39:52 PT
churches
The responsibility, the power, the will, and the way is in our collective grasp. That collective, the true, non-contrived gestalt of mind and Spirit has to this point been held in thrall by singular, secular minds. The Sacred Spirit comes to those who gather to seek, express, and experience the Sacred - but the danger is in mere men defining the parameters of God. Mere men restricting access through enforced ignorance, to those truths that I believe all honest people truly seek.No one human can define the parameters of God. Those who attempt to do so, are the founders of religion. Religion is a box, and the Church subscribes to the box theory. Hey, good things do come in, and from boxes from time to time, but I wouldn't want to base my eternity, or my now upon the box, because there's a box for every perspective, and then some. Bunch of boxes piled high all over the place.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 16:30:25 PT
Museman and Dankhank
Being a musician seems like such a special gift. I think musicians are hot wired or something and songs just bubble out. I read where they discourage Neil from watching the news everyday. The article said he gets upset and a song comes to his mind so he has to watch how much he tunes in to news. I believe that's true.Dankhank, I believe most priests know what is happening and are tolerant. They've probably put two and two together. 
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Comment #70 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 16:23:17 PT
FoM
Yes. That's the point. A lot of people need to answer that question for themselves. Just thought I'd help it along...I did include the "Shout if you can hear me" part. I'll take that as a shout. 
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Comment #69 posted by Dankhank on March 29, 2007 at 16:11:21 PT
A Priest ...
here in SW OK, during a talk we had, admitted that he knew of some ill people who used the herb.Whether he aided the acquisition of the herb he didn't say ...
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 15:45:09 PT
whig
I don't think that the Catholic Church is in that frame of mind. What missionaries do (in the RCC) is helps a village get a good well or helps them with urgent medicine or whatever a village needs the most. It always seen very personal the cause of different missionaries. They follow their heart and decide.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 15:41:19 PT
museman
I love it! That was so good. What can anybody do? We're doing it!
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Comment #66 posted by whig on March 29, 2007 at 15:31:02 PT
FoM
Do you think the churches are hearing us? Are they getting medicine to people in the places where cannabis is still prohibited?
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Comment #65 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 15:28:03 PT
OT: what I did yesterday
The hardest part was finding 5 minutes of relative quiet in between barking dogs, loud trucks and motorcycles.I thought I'd offer proof that it was really me singing those songs, and that I am truly a gnarly old dude.This one I wrote 2 days ago, video on youtube.
Hole In My Mind
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Comment #64 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 15:23:21 PT
FoM
Well that makes sense. That 'funding and support' has been rather exclusive and seclular, though good works are still good works. The past is gone and can't be changed. Every moment is another opportunity. In the light of what has been, is being, and will be revealed, many replacements are ordered.
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 13:54:54 PT
museman
I think the Nuns that risk their lives in South America and any place that is dangerous are good people. I have met missionaries that aren't stuck in a box that are really open and in tune. The church is a way for them to have food, shelter and medical care and then they can devote their time to doing good deeds. That's really the benefit.
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Comment #62 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 13:49:01 PT
FoM
The 'good of the church' is not forgotten, because there was never a lot there to recognize as 'good.' The people are another matter entirely. I have found that most of humanity if confronted eye to eye without organizational 'peer pressure' tend to be quite open to the truth. Take the people out of the box, and the box becomes the illusiory vapor that it really is.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 13:01:15 PT
museman
When I think of the way the church (organized religion) has done terrible things the good in the church gets forgotten. The good came from ordinary people being motivated by the need to do the right thing. 
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 11:28:09 PT
museman
I was always a rebel and didn't do what they said just because they said I should. I had many office visits where we sat and talked and I learned a lot about what is important from those talks. 
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Comment #59 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 11:22:04 PT
FoM
Out of slime of corruption and false greatness significantly and deliberately poured out of every institution known to man, the pearls of simple and uncomplicated honest wisdom have risen often to the surface to be grasped by the few who recognize the distinction.It has always been a wonder and a marvel to me, how the churches have posessed such incredible knowledge and wisdom, for so many thousands of years, but have neither taught nor embraced it, except in rare individual cases, often unknown, and certainly kept out of the spotlight.My wife was raised parochial, so I have a vicarious understanding of that. Your experience is rather unique, or else your understanding of the lesson is unique, maybe a little of both.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 10:52:08 PT
museman
I think that I went to Catholic school at the right time because the Nuns and Priests that taught me were very anti-establishment. Our school took no money from the government so we weren't taught their propaganda. They wanted us to always question. The Nuns that taught me would have been the kind of Nuns that flashed the Peace Sign at WoodStock. So as bad as the Roman Catholic Church has been I feel very fortunately to have had these excellent teachers. 
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Comment #57 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 10:38:14 PT
FoM #55
The truth is out there.
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Comment #56 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 10:30:26 PT
FoM
You are so right. I'd like to suggest to anyone who has the opportunity, to initiate their own 'Academy of Free Thought' with the youth in their neighborhood or town. If we abdicate that respnsibility to the failed 'education' systems in place, then when those new fast-laners laugh at our impotence, the responsibility will have landed, albeit too late, back where it currently belongs.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 10:29:00 PT
museman
I keep this bookmarked. When I went to Parochial school they warned us to be careful about the government and it's motives. This is what we have become and we need to change our direction soon but it might be too late. I hope it isn't though.http://crosbycpr.com/content/TOURS/2004/news_text/austinSermon.html
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 10:11:17 PT
museman 
This young generation seems to have more of the values of the 60s generation. That doesn't surprise me because the generation after ours went hog wild making money and doing the stock market two step for lack of knowing what to call it. Chasing money is so self centered. The young people see how wrong that is. They are lucky to have us on their side. I am amazed at the youth activism that is popping up. They give me hope. Tear down the walls young folks. We are with you in Spirit.
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Comment #53 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 10:02:41 PT
FoM
I am sorry I missed that. I tend to agree. However I think that our success as a generation will be measured by how easily we allow, and include the next generation in our plans and action. We opened the gates, and some held on to their 'new ground' but many, many, bought into and therefore helped create the situation we find ourselves in.In our Academy that frequents my house, I often hear the phrase "my generation" in an eerily Deja-Vu kind of way. The other night we discussed 'generationalism' and what the differences might be between the current, and the latter WWII generation that is leaving us.The wisdom of the next generation, as far as I can see is directly proportunate to the wisdom of the parenting generation, and in a lot of cases, contrary to the 'generation gap' of the '60's on, that 'parental wisdom' is paying off. These kids understand the "'60's" better than a lot of my peers who claimed to be part of it. The only danger I see, is if our generation makes the same mistake as the preceding, and refuses to give credibility to these young vital minds that are grasping eagerly for the truth. We must take care to involve them in this, give them task and responsibility. We cannot afford to let them think that we have dropped the ball, or they will abandon us, and go their own experimental ways, making the same mistakes - without guidance.
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Comment #52 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 09:35:20 PT
had enough
Don't know whether it matters, but I am Microsoft A+ trained. -that includes hardware as well as software. Any time you have a question -you have my email I think.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 09:33:13 PT
museman 
I know that I don't have any interest in politics and I never have. I want a Democrat in power because I think more like they do but they are politicans too just a little easier for me to handle. I watched the program called Boomer Century last night on PBS. To sum up the two hour special it left me with a sense that our generation will make a difference as we gain more clout as we age. People are returning to volunteering more then any other generation in the past. The values from the 60s are still alive in many people's hearts. 
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Comment #50 posted by museman on March 29, 2007 at 09:24:24 PT
seems obvious to me
Political posturing. Alignment with popular sentiment is rule#1 in political survival. However in this case, owing to Barrs' extreme polarity shift, I'd be willing to wager that there is a plan in the works to re-classify and regulate cannabis, through patenting. The right to grow, and sell cannabis will become the exclusive rights of those corporations, who paid the proper premium, and greased the right political palms, to get those rights.Like they did with tobacco; you could smoke it all you wanted, but growing or selling it without special expensive permits from the government, was and is illegal, punishable by fines and or imprisonment.This is the thing I have always feared about some of the ways cannabis legalization has compromised it's stance with prohibition, in order to make any progress at all.If they can regulate it, they can create a 'commercial' 'marijuana cigarette' that not only will be low potency -the government can legislate that like they did acohol content- but they'll probably put some kind of chemical in it that will prove once and for all that 'marijuana' is addictive.Here's the thing; I don't know how many great ideas, great inventions, and great discoveries have become the real, and intellectual property of those few who had the 'investment capital' while the ordinary inventors, discoverers, and creators get left in the dust of history -written always by the 'successful' and the 'victorious.'If we allow these cretinous politicians access to our soul -the freedom to medicate, or to fly -depending on ones personal preference-, then we have sold that soul to the highest bidder. I think people better start holding their so-called 'representatives' to some higher standards -not the appearances, and lip-service of contemporary poliics.When are we going to elect some non-rich, non-law-schooled, non-'highly educated', non-professional, normal ordinary people, instead of this exclusive club that's been in power about 10,000 years too long?
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 06:12:29 PT
Had Enough 
That sounds like a lot of trouble with your computer. As far as Bob Barr is concerned it will take a serious change of heart for me to believe that he has pure motives. I will watch very closely how this evolves and I really hope I am wrong about why he is doing this. It really is sad to see our movement becoming so political since that is what I hate about all of this. 
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Comment #48 posted by Had Enough on March 29, 2007 at 06:00:03 PT
FoM
It’s not entirely fixed yet, but it is still working. Tech guys on phone are helping. We ran a test that took about 16 hrs. and found bad hard drive data. Still needs corrected but I can’t work on it until I get a bunch of other stuff finished. They said the computer safe to use untill I can get back with them.****************Bob Barr. Wow!!!We will see what he’s up to. Shouldn’t take long.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 05:41:25 PT
Had Enough 
Glad you're back and you were able to fix your computer. I have been doing a lot of soul searching over this alignment and I am forming my opinion of why this is happening. I don't have good vibrations about it. I hope I am wrong.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on March 29, 2007 at 05:30:44 PT
Toker00
I do believe that people can have a change of heart but this seems political to me. One of the things that I mind about Washington DC politics is they are like the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz and they don't have a heart. The people in power for such a long time have been making laws based on how it will help them and that is all that seems important. I know things will change after elections in 08 and maybe the people will be heard instead of just special interest groups. I'm not counting on much to change but I am keeping my fingers crossed. One thing I know is what I thought about certain things has been confirmed to me by Bob Barr's alignment.
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Comment #45 posted by Had Enough on March 29, 2007 at 05:17:58 PT
Shock & Awe
Computer problems kept me out of touch for a while. This was the first thing I saw. Man what a surprise???Bob Barr??? A converted drug warrior??? A high level one at that…Well I sure don’t know what’s up here. Maybe he has a real change of heart, maybe not. If he found that what he was doing was counter productive and decided to persuade in changing of the laws, I will welcome him, and hear what he has to say, but more importantly, watch what he can do, and actually does. Time will show us.Is he doing this for his last hurrah in his political life? Is he doing this for payday, notoriety? Don’t forget this mans record. If he can put forth the energy he used in the past, and help turn things around, it is another much needed strong voice. Others will follow too if this works out right.So for now, I welcome you Mr. Barr, have at it, Let’s Roll.
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Comment #44 posted by Toker00 on March 29, 2007 at 03:09:13 PT
Is there such thing as a rhetorical answer?
FoM, I don't know. I just know he is a politician and that they can be lead around by their bank accounts, regardless the direction of their heart. I'm not saying I'm right, it is just very unusual, is it not, for an Anti to flip because of this fact. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we have turned a few heads with common sense and compassion. There is just very little faith in politicians to do the Right thing, because when they do, it's usually for some sinister reward for themselves.Toke.
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Comment #43 posted by gloovins on March 28, 2007 at 20:10:18 PT
this documentary is astonishing
It is a cpl different segments but if you watch them all you see a DEA rep just ridiculing sick people who use cannabis & how sane people use these people, it's sick that my tax dollars pay for all this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=p5Tf2MYaCHMMy take on Barr, watch his feet not his mouth now. We'll see how much effort he puts to overturn his slap in the face amendment to 69% of the voters he slapped way back when...Anyone want to discuss Jonathan Magpie now, Bob? Ever hear of him? You got blood on your hands Bob Barr, in my opinion & I would tell it right to your face.Hope all at c-news are doing well...
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Comment #42 posted by freewillks on March 28, 2007 at 19:47:00 PT
Bob Barr courting the libertarian vote?
My gues is Bob Barr is going to come out and try for the libertarian pick for President. He would stand a good chance of getting elected, he still holds a fair amount of conservitive base. 
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 17:35:37 PT
Toker00
Where can I find that information?
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Comment #40 posted by Toker00 on March 28, 2007 at 17:21:40 PT
High, FoM!
I question the reason he is doing what he is doing because it seems he still thinks we are low lifes. I don't understand.Check his investment port-folio and you WILL understand.High, Hope, you too! Next thing you know, Souder and the rest of them will see the truth and the errors of their ways... finally.Every knee must bow. Toke.
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Comment #39 posted by Sukoi on March 28, 2007 at 16:04:18 PT
Think about LEAP
Many people hold Barr in contempt for his past actions and rightly so but keep in mind that he is not alone. A perfect example of that is the good people at LEAP. These people were once our sworn enemies and now they speak out on our behalf (with credibility beyond reproach). They help us and we help them; we are now allies with the same goal. As much as I hate what he has done, I welcome Mr. Barr, just as I would welcome Howard Wooldridge or Jack Cole were they not already on our side. I think that Mr. Barr is an absolutely wonderful person to have on our side BECAUSE of the dreadful things that he has done in the past as like those with LEAP, that makes his credibility beyond reproach. 
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 14:31:29 PT
"Why would that be newsworthy?"
I am trying to imagine who would be very interested to know that. I just can't conjure them up. Maybe they are ... oh...at a country club somewhere...sipping liquor, perhaps, to while away this lovely afternoon?
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 14:24:12 PT
Hope
My goodness. Why would that be newsworthy? Too much.
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 14:04:44 PT
It's been replaced with "important" stuff...
Like "Billie Jean King Endorses Clinton...".That's not normal for that site to take something down almost as soon as they put it up.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 14:01:49 PT
More weirdness...
Drudge took down their post. How fast was that?
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 13:52:02 PT
Cheryl, Jacki, Jim and Gary.
"Advocates for medical marijuana once blocked the door to his Congressional office in protest, and when he lost a primary race in 2001, the executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project called it "glorious news.""
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 13:49:36 PT
This....in Roll Call?
http://www.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=glKZLeMQIsG&b=1847069&ct=3708483
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Comment #32 posted by Celaya on March 28, 2007 at 13:44:55 PT
I understand....
I understand about wanting to do ANYTHING to end marijuana prohibition. I'm in agreement that it is the most evil thing this government has done in our lifetimes, at least domestically.BUT, there's this one small problem. MILLIONS of lives have been destroyed. Millions of people have lost carreers due to this inquisition. Hundreds of thousands of people are in prison - as we speak - for doing something that harmed no one.I don't know. Maybe it's just going to take some time for me to adjust to this change happening without anyone taking responsibility. Bob Barr was one of those people in my mind.Peace....................
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 13:44:06 PT
Th;ink I'll run over to MPP
and see what they are saying about this.
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 13:38:46 PT
"seems he still thinks we are low lifes"
I am NOT "excited", at all, anymore. I'm retrieving the Welcome mat for a bit.
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Comment #29 posted by E_Johnson on March 28, 2007 at 13:31:11 PT
And look at the timing
Tony Snow is preparing for his chemo probably as I write this.Tony's Snow's cruel fate has gifted us with a perfect chance to get the attention of all those Republicans who are angry with Bush.
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Comment #28 posted by Sam Adams on March 28, 2007 at 13:30:21 PT
Question
"Is there no "right and wrong" anymore, or is there just political expediency?"Yes. If it was possible to re-legalize by leaving a briefcase with a million in cash on Dick Cheney's doorstep, I would be the first to start raising money.
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Comment #27 posted by E_Johnson on March 28, 2007 at 13:27:52 PT
See but tribalism just means endless war
If we're all US and THEM, then why should anyone on the other side ever change? You have to give people an exit strategy. That's where the reconciliation part comes in.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 13:23:02 PT
Celaya 
I understand what you are saying.
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Comment #25 posted by Celaya on March 28, 2007 at 13:20:01 PT
All Is Forgiven?
I'm sorry, but the only thing I can wonder about is the ethical position of leadership at MPP. Is there no "right and wrong" anymore, or is there just political expediency?I have always felt that we should remember who the hard-core prohibitionists were, even after the end of prohibition. These people have shown themselves to be the lowest of the low, feeding off the misery of the destruction of innocent people.I will NEVER forget what suffering these people have inflicted on millions of Americans. Not only do they have a lot to answer for, they need to be prevented from EVER having a position of public trust again!Look what happened with Nixon's crime associates.  They've been helping Bush out &($%#ing the American people yet again!I think I'm going to hang exclusively with NORML now.
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Comment #24 posted by Sam Adams on March 28, 2007 at 13:15:53 PT
nice work MPP
but he's still a jerk! This type of stuff does show the maturity of the marijuana reform movement though. We are getting closer to winning for sure.The government isn't ever going to act out of justice or fairness, they'll only repeal the laws when we've paid enough of them off! And this marks a milestone along that path.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 12:48:45 PT
This Bothers Me
I question the reason he is doing what he is doing because it seems he still thinks we are low lifes. I don't understand.Excerpt: But that doesn’t mean he has become a bong-ripping hippie. He isn’t pro-drug, he said, just against government intrusion. 
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 12:40:52 PT
Barr
It would be nice for him to apologize to Jacki, Gary, and Jim, and to Cheryl's memory. He could. Whether he will or not, is another question.He could make taking them with him to those talk shows a requirement for him to appear. He could...but....How many miracles can a person expect to happen in one day?It's miraculous looking, already. Barr? Standing with us? It's so danged hard to comprehend.Next thing you know, Souder and the rest of them will see the truth and the errors of their ways... finally.
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Comment #21 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 12:07:30 PT
Betcha the talking heads will be
trying to get Barr on their shows as soon as possible. Reckon?It's a real possibility. How well spoken will he be for us?
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Comment #20 posted by dongenero on March 28, 2007 at 11:58:02 PT
Barr
Well I hope he is able to make amends.I wish a few of these guys would see the light when they are at the height of their power and at large in their political careers.I guess the reason is right there.....no longer is it political suicide once your congressional career is over.Well regardless, welcome to the cause Mr.Barr. I hope you will be effective.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 11:55:49 PT
Hope
What I hope is that it will help the Democrats that are running for President to be able to speak up and say how they feel when they have a town meeting or a debate. 
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:51:48 PT
FoM
I know you don't like Drudge...but look. Far left hand column.http://www.drudgereport.com/Yep. It's likely to be noticed.
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Comment #17 posted by nuevo mexican on March 28, 2007 at 11:51:42 PT
Expect more rats, I mean 'converts' jumping.....
ship!Welcome Bob Barr, next, he'll be a 9-11 Truther!This is great news, notice the pRe-pubes are NOT coming to Gonzo's and Fredo sides?The War on some drugs, the War on Cannabis, looks like it has reached it's logical conclusion, the END!This one is for Mayan, as Gonzo-gate has brought attention to the pedophile scandal in Texas, wait til Colbert gets' a hold of this 'ass'pect of the Attorney General 'Purge'!Gross!Yet, though appropro! This little covered story will make the MSM soon, if we keep it up there!http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/
politics/stories/MYSA032707.01A.tyc.36c43f7.htmlAnd this on the 2008 Elections:In January, General Services Administration chief Lurita Doan and Karl Rove deputy Scott Jennings held a video conference with top GSA political appointees, “who discussed ways to help Republican candidates.”  Jennings, the White House’s deputy director of political affairs, gave a PowerPoint presentation on Jan. 26 of polling data about the 2006 elections.  When Jennings concluded his presentation to the GSA political appointees, Doan allegedly asked them how they could “help ‘our candidates’ in the next elections.”The Hatch Act explicitly prohibits partisan campaign activities on federal property. And this all leads to the reason for the purge, to steal the elections of 2008, it's all on AirAmerica.com right now!Roves' PowerPoint Presentation Revealed During Oversight Hearinghttp://thinkprogress.org/This story will lead to the unraveling of all that is toxic about bush, his cronies, and they will all have to be investigated, arrested and incarcerated soon!The Universal 'Truth' will see to it!
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Comment #16 posted by TroutMask on March 28, 2007 at 11:48:40 PT
The Understatement of the Year award goes to....
"He certainly would not have been the first person I would have expected to sign off to us"I'll say! What unbelievable news!-TM
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Comment #15 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:36:48 PT

Comment 12
Right!I was thinking just a few minutes ago about how he treated Jackie and Gary and Cheryl and Jim. I was going to post and got distracted.Gary...what do you guys think about this?
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:34:37 PT

Bob Barr
I need to find a recent picture of Barr. I wonder if he still looks as "reptilian" to me, as he did.
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Comment #13 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:33:40 PT

Thanks, Dan.
It's always good to hear from you. I have the greatest respect for your opinions.I can see all those things happening. I can see this being remarkably good...and, also...as nothing but a "blip". *Deep breath* ( Lol! No. Not a *toke*)We'll see. 
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 11:32:51 PT

Cheryl Miller
I want to know if Bob Barr has contacted Cheryl's husband and apologized to him for how he let them down.2002 NLP Political Ad featuring Cheryl Millerhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=IOuRsnVny7Y
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Comment #11 posted by Dan B on March 28, 2007 at 11:26:18 PT

Encouraging Sign (?)
Bob Barr's recent conversion might be an encouraging sign if one or more of the following takes place:(1) It helps to revitalize a flagging public dialog about the ethics and morality (or lack thereof) of the drug war,(2) It serves to convince others of his ilk to reconsider their own stances on this subject,(3) It leads to greater general acceptance of the arguments in favor of medical marijuana, and/or(4) It leads to greater success in state-by-state and national campaigns to end the war on cannabis, particularly when it is used for medicinal purposes.If it leads to none of these outcomes, it will be just another human interest story, a blip on the radar. In short, I will reserve my judgment about it until its effects can be observed and properly evaluated.Dan B 
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:18:07 PT

  Oh
This probably won't mean a thing and won't help at all.I am so excited, though, that a traitor has apparently made some movement that seems to show he might be regretting his dastardly role in a treason against the people.
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 11:15:41 PT

I want to hear what you guys are thinking....
What are you thinking about this turn of events?
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:40:27 PT

By the way...
All the words to that song...by no means apply to this situation. I'm not "about to lose control"...for sure.It just came to me when I had this sudden desire to do a little joyful victory dance.I do feel real love and affection towards the man, easily, with this news. I hope he's really had some sort of epiphany and has come to his senses. Of course...perhaps he's just trying to "infiltrate" us. Welcome, Bob Barr. Would you like to talk?
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Comment #7 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:26:50 PT

I am excited about this.
I think this is a very good thing. It will be noticed...I hope.Oh...I've got that "Loving" feeling....and I like it.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:25:16 PT

:0)
http://www.oracleband.net/Lyrics/im_so_excited.htm
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 10:22:51 PT

Hope
When I saw the article all I thought of is it's just politics. I hope he isn't getting paid for his change of heart.
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:21:47 PT

Miraculous!
I like to think I helped "pray" this man out of his seat of power in congress.I do love to see a man saved. A man rescued and brought into the light...saved...though every hair on his head be burned off...he's rescued...as though through fire.Amazing.
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Comment #3 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:17:03 PT

Has a man been saved?
Pulled back from the fire? Rescued from the brink?I hope so.I so despised this man's acts. What he did to the D.C. Medical vote was perhaps the most astounding direct slap in the face my patriot's face had ever endured. There's been several since then...but that was so notable. I still cringe with dismay at the thought of it. America, America...
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Comment #2 posted by Hope on March 28, 2007 at 10:10:25 PT

Oh my gosh!
I was just running back here as fast as I could to post about this...and there it is!Fast work, FoM!
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on March 28, 2007 at 10:07:54 PT

Here's The Link To The Above Article
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3329.html
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