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  Medical Marijuana Faces Big Hurdles

Posted by CN Staff on December 08, 2006 at 09:37:39 PT
By Chris Jackett, Capital News Service 
Source: South Bend Tribune 

Lansing, Michigan --  Rules for obtaining and using medical marijuana must be worked out before the House Government Operations Committee will consider legalization, Michigan lawmakers say.Those concerns were addressed in a recent hearing by the committee on a bill by Rep. LaMar Lemmons III, D-Detroit, that would legalize marijuana use by patients with cancer, glaucoma, HIV, AIDS or other chronic or debilitating diseases that produce wasting syndrome, seizures, severe pain, nausea or muscle spasms.
Irvin Rosenfeld, a stockbroker from Florida and medical marijuana user, said marijuana was used as a medicine in the U.S. from 1860 to 1937.Under federal law, marijuana is illegal, but 11 states and many cities have approved its use since 2001. Michigan voters in Detroit, Ferndale, Traverse City and Ann Arbor approved measures in 2004 and 2005. Similar proposals are being considered in Kalamazoo and Flint.If his bill dies this year, as expected, another representative will introduce it again in 2007 when Democrats have majority control, Lemmons said. Patients who have used medical marijuana testified, including several who had been arrested for possession of marijuana despite a medicinal need.Rosenfeld said he has been using government-approved medicinal marijuana since 1982, when he won a court case.Despite having a rare disease that causes tumors on his bones, Rosenfeld said, he lives a fairly normal life. He credited the 11 ounces of marijuana that he smokes over the course of 25 days.The University of Mississippi grows the drug for the federal government and ships it to the University of Miami, where Rosenfeld receives it.The program stopped accepting applicants in 1991, with Rosenfeld and five other patients as the only ones remaining. Rosenfeld said, "There's no need to be prosecuting people who are sick. To put someone sick behind bars, we have to let someone else out."Besides smoking, methods for ingesting marijuana include vaporizing, liquidizing and mixing it into food or beverages. The alternative methods avoid harmful carcinogens from combustion.Tim Beck, chair of the Detroit Coalition for Compassionate Care, told the committee that marijuana offers benefits that current prescription drugs may not."No one ever died from an overdose of marijuana," Beck said. "With (painkillers like) OxyContin and Vicodin, it's one pill fits all."Marijuana doses are easier to control, he added. The proposed bill doesn't address distribution. "The bill decriminalizes it for patients, but doesn't address how a patient gets marijuana," said Rep. Jacob Hoogendyk, R-Portage, majority vice chair of the committee. "It would make it OK to have, but not to purchase."Rep. Fulton Sheen, R-Plainwell, questioned the merit of the proposal because police often let off medical patients with a warning when found in possession."A person's condition affects what an officer does," Sheen said. "More times than not, they won't be arrested. Do we need to create a law for something already taking place?"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled against national medical marijuana use.Laura Ann Barber of Traverse City testified that she and her husband, a Gulf War veteran, were arrested in 2004 for marijuana possession. They fought the charges. Marijuana-based protein shakes and balms allow her husband to improve his lifestyle so he can exercise again, Barber said."It's not an act of defiance; it's an act of quality of life," she added. Note: Lawmakers agree legalization isn't likely this year, but advocates will try again.Complete Title: Medical Marijuana Faces Big Hurdles, such as Rules for Its UseSource: South Bend Tribune (IN)Author: Chris Jackett, Capital News ServicePublished: December 08. 2006Copyright: 2006 South Bend TribuneContact: vop sbtinfo.comWebsite: http://www.southbendtribune.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Michigan NORMLhttp://www.minorml.orgThe Moral High Groundhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22429.shtml Medicinal Marijuana To Be Core of Hearinghttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22410.shtml

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Comment #81 posted by Fight_4_freedom on December 12, 2006 at 16:47:56 PT:
msegesta:
I definately agree with you that a statewide intiative campaign would be the best way to go. Let's control our own destiny rather then wait for these politicians to come to their senses. I also would be a lot more enthusiastic about getting signatures for a proposal such as that guided by an organization such as norml, rather than a loosely made petition by a single citizen. Plus a proposal to legalize for medicinal use would be a lot more effective and would have a better chance of passing now then one to legalize for all adults.Now is the time for Michigan. Let's get back our rights. 
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on December 12, 2006 at 12:37:47 PT

Whig
I guess I don't believe much of what they say on tv news. It all is slanted the way they want it to be. I follow Google News and go thru a few articles on a subject I am interested in and decide for myself what actually is the truth. I think most people who use the Internet as a news source do that too. We are fortunate to have the wonders of the Internet in this time in history.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on December 12, 2006 at 12:11:18 PT

FoM
That lack of substance is a problem, though, because it is value-laden propaganda nonsense so often. That's what FOX News does.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on December 12, 2006 at 11:48:18 PT

whig
I knew he was married to a republican. I always thought how did they get along but they are what I call talking heads and I take them all with a grain of salt. Mostly it can be entertaining but no real substance in my opinion.
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Comment #77 posted by whig on December 12, 2006 at 11:21:15 PT

FoM
Did you know James Carville is married to Mary Matalin? She works for George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and George Macaca Allen.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on December 12, 2006 at 10:55:06 PT

Whig
Thank you. I haven't seen him on the news for a while but I liked him when he was defending Clinton years ago. I don't like Clinton but Carville did a good job of trying to take the sting out of the Monica episode.
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Comment #75 posted by whig on December 12, 2006 at 10:49:00 PT

FoM
A good example of a Democratic party hack is someone like James Carville.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on December 12, 2006 at 07:55:56 PT

State Should Allow Use of Medical Marijuana 
http://www.mlive.com/columns/aanews/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1165938070263510.xml&coll=2
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on December 11, 2006 at 11:28:59 PT

Michael
What is a Democratic Party Hack? I never heard that before.
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Comment #72 posted by msegesta on December 11, 2006 at 11:24:27 PT:

Do not mourn the death of this bill!
C-News readers:Please do not mourn the death of Michigan HB 5470. It will be reintroduced nest year, and may get out of committee if the Democratic party hacks who kept it in committee this time get out of the way.However, the alternative to this bill is a statewide initiative campaign in 2008 to pass a law that would be much more liberal than HB 5470. I think this may be a better way to go if we can put the funding together.Keep the faith,Mike Segesta
General Counsel, Michigan NORML

http://www.minorml.org
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Comment #71 posted by doc james on December 11, 2006 at 06:59:56 PT:

strains republicans and mcKinney
Cynthia McKinney is a true American patriot. Whaaaaaaaaa? If that's true then I am a republican anti-cannabis drug warrior. Steve Kubby is a true american patriot, Todd McCormick, Peter McWilliams and others rank in that crowd. I wouldnt trust her 4 nothing. 
 As for strains, the nose knows! If I can't smell it first then I don't want it. Also e.johnson, what makes u thnk the dude was staring at your chest. I assume that you mean breasteses...maybe he had a cockeye. Ive a friend that is cockeyed and its hard to tell where hes lookin. 
Free the weed, imprison bush!
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Comment #70 posted by BGreen on December 09, 2006 at 18:31:45 PT

Bud porn?
Wow, it must really suck where you have to go, E_Johnson. It doesn't have to be that way. I'm sorry if that's your only option.However, some of us take this very seriously, and we owe a lot to those who tinker with genetics. Dude at the counter is not a good representation of anyone worthwhile in the cannabis circle of life.IMHO, lineage is vitally important in understanding strains and choosing the correct cannabinoid profiles for our needs, and there really aren't that many pure breeding strains in existence. I wish I could help you and make your life more comfortable.Please take care and try to keep your spirits up.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #69 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 18:01:53 PT

Also
The BPG is also efficient and they can take care of multiple people at one time at their counter so if you need to get and go that might also be a good choice, in Berkeley.
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Comment #68 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 17:59:55 PT

E_Johnson
Without knowing where you are, I don't know what options you have, but my experience of the club in Oaksterdam is that they are very efficient. You go in and they show you what they've got, it's usually a limited selection but you can get your sativa or blended indica or whatever you prefer in under a minute if there's no line. If your circumstance is that you absolutely cannot any spend time waiting in line where other people may also be waiting, as may be the case if you have immune dysfunction, then it might not be the best for you.
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Comment #67 posted by E_Johnson on December 09, 2006 at 17:44:19 PT

And another thing
Maybe I'm paranoid but I think the guy was staring at my chest the whole time he talked to me.I left that club fantasizing about sticking hot forks in his eyes and watching them steam, that's the effect it had on me.I have to drive 45 minutes through traffic to get there, then I have to park and by that time I'm tired and nauseous. I don't want to smoke in the car while I'm driving.So I'm really NOT in the mood for a mandatory session of Bud Porn in order to get my medicine. When you're nauseous is not the most fun time for a long conversation.Then on top of that, I'm on immune suppressants -- so I have to be very careful who I'm having long conversations with. They could have germs that don't make THEM sick but are going to leave me feeling headachey and nauseous for another whole week.The whole medicine buying process seems more geared to the needs of Bud Porn fetishists than the needs of sick people who just want to get in, get their medicine, and go home.
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Comment #66 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 16:18:34 PT

Arrest is violence
I just want to say, I'm not tuning that out, but it wasn't a circumstance to be helped by me.
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Comment #65 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 16:15:56 PT

BGreen #54
That's why San Francisco is better than most places.I also got off the BART in Oakland and was sitting at the bus stop waiting to get one to the right part of Berkeley, while there were police cars and about five or six officers involved in arresting someone -- I did not inquire as to the circumstances, but sat quietly and looked without being too obvious about it, not observing any shouting or violence, it appeared to be nothing to be involved in.
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Comment #64 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 16:08:41 PT

goneposthole #45
And that is also how you make bread.
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Comment #63 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 15:57:14 PT

E_Johnson
"Anyhow in a place like this there is just about unlimited time to talk about the strains and whatever you want to know."a. I don't HAVE unlimited time. I have a lot on my plate.So do we all, but they have time for you in some places, and in some places they hurry you more. That's all I'm saying.b. The rapid proliferation of strain names makes the process of learning different strains IMPOSSIBLEI have no idea from strains except someone recommended it and it smelled good and I tried it. And when someone passes me a pipe or a joint, I don't even ask what strain it is unless it occurs to me and seems appropriate.c. Only people who are deep in the marijuana "in crowd" really care what the strain name is.I don't know about that, and here's why. When I use a particular strain I have some idea what my experience is going to be like if I've used it before, and furthermore by telling people what I'm using they can have a similar experience too. That also helps with conversations which might depend a bit on how one is thinking about things.FWIW, at the moment I'm having my Saturday kief special so I have no real idea what proportions of things are in the mix, but there is some of the Romulan indica, Widow and Apple hybrids, Blue Dream and Odyssey sativas. I have very little of any of them, totaling less than a quarter ounce. But I like different things at different times of day.d. Isn't the goal to help spread this medicine OUTSIDE the "in crowd" of people who know and care about strain names?Whose goal? Everyone has different goals to some extent, and makes different choices. Like I said, if one dispensary isn't your style, there are others.e. There was no other reason for him not to finish that board other than his own personal laziness. I have a physical allergy to lazy people who make excuses for their laziness right in front of the people who are most affected by it. That kind of behavior is just downright insulting.Fair enough.
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Comment #62 posted by museman on December 09, 2006 at 14:29:58 PT

g_w
And love is the activator. Freedom is in knowing, and then living the truth.A drug is a drug, is a drug, which by any other name can have meaning so sweet.peace bro
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Comment #61 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 13:45:29 PT

God Bless You
Museman.Freedom is a drug that passes through the blood of the living.
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Comment #60 posted by museman on December 09, 2006 at 13:26:21 PT

Rev #54
That's the America I've come to know. With a son who just got his constitutional rights trampled on for an amount less than 1/2 gram in a 'medical marijuana' state, I actually have seen no improvements, though I keep hearing about them.The last time I spent any time in San Fran - on the Haight as a matter of fact, two things were the most prevalent; gays, and LSD. So now it must be gays, and medical marijuana. I have no problem with that, it's an improvement in some ways. For folks who like the city lifestyle, San Fransisco is definitely a 'world cultural center.'I personally would never choose to live in any city. Living in a town over a couple thousand is uncomfortable to me. I have made all manner of sacrifices in my life to avoid having to live in a city environment.San Fran notwithstanding, America IS a POLICE STATE! It has been building for a long time. While some focused factions were laboring towards reforms like civil rights, and gay rights, and womens rights, etc. etc. The 'shadow government' was busy constructing the scenarios that have led to an almost absolutely corrupted government.While Greenpeace was performing heroics on the high seas, steps were being taken to destroy more and more ecology. Bill were signed that gave major polluters 'waivers' to go ahead with their incredible toxic waste, while making a big show of busting convenient 'little guys' for 'EPA violations.'While the south was made to start 'legally' treating black folks as 'political equals.' Slogans like 'The South shall rise again' ehoed throught he constuency of the most promineent born again Republicans. The 'traditional' "southern democrat" had somehow become something else - a republican. Why? Because a republican understands and supports "Class superiority."While we were shouting in the streets "End the war now!" Nixon created the NSA, which set the stage for the "War Powers Act" and now the "Patriot Act."While we were beginning to gather on 'public land' to actually exercise our constitutional right to assembly, the BLM was formed as an intitial Law Enforcement Agency to police the National Forest. By the time the WOD was declared by Reagan, the pot raiders were already empowered, and in place.The adversarial, and predatory nature of this government and it's funders has some major advantages in power, resource, and in organization. The old addage "divide and conquer" has been used against the people for a long long time. We might think we are winning a battle, and maybe for a moment in time it is a real victory, however until we make a concerted and UNDIVIDED effort to seek out and remove the SOURCES of this corruption, they will prevail.
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Comment #59 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 13:26:00 PT

Do You Breathe ?
Do you subscribe, to this parliament?This Green New World Order ProclaimsJustice and Free CannabisFree PeopleFree Human BeingsThat button has "always" been yoursGather by this fireIt is warm
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Comment #58 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 13:17:34 PT

re: 750 thousand cases
last year, was it about cannabis?or was it about those who breathe that same fresh airthat belongs to every living breath?
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Comment #57 posted by BGreen on December 09, 2006 at 13:08:35 PT


All for the miracle plant, cannabis.That has to stop.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #56 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 13:06:33 PT

did you ever think?
or imagine?Those Seven Hundred Thousand Human BeingsWhere from last year and this yearThis place is so more terrible,Candels In The Night
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Comment #55 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 12:59:34 PT

reverend 
regarding "f %# off"regarding those 7 hundred thousand users of cannabis,who can say?
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Comment #54 posted by BGreen on December 09, 2006 at 12:54:33 PT

whig re: post #49
Where I live, without a doubt, you would have been staring down the barrels of several cocked .44 magnums and, if you weren't executed on the spot because they "thought you were reaching for a weapon," you would have had your pesky freedom taken away for the next three to five years and your family life as you know it would have been destroyed.The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #53 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 12:50:32 PT

have you all the christmas spirit?
can't speak for all those judaists or muslims,can speak about some carpenteralone on some dead cross
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Comment #52 posted by BGreen on December 09, 2006 at 12:46:10 PT

re: strains
There's no use in trying to over-simplify this matter by limiting the choices to Indica or Sativa. The breeders are constantly mixing parents, and even variations in phenotypes of the same strains will make them lean towards different parental attributes.Variations in growing techniques and even a week or two delay in harvest time could mean the difference in an "up" high and major couch lock.Some of the best breeders in the world have said that their own strains rate from crap to spectacular depending on the grower, and the best growers are those who put a lot of love into their plants.All you have to do is try samples of the same strains in several coffeeshops to find out the absolute truth in that.It really doesn't matter whether someone calls something Indica or Sativa since there are very few pure strains available, and until we get the government to back the f %# off and allow proper testing of the cannabinoid profile of each crop, it's our duty to study and arm ourselves with enough knowledge to make our own choices without relying on some slacker who works at a counter.If it wasn't for the breeders we wouldn't have indoor grows or outdoor grows in the northern latitudes, and we'd all be a lot more dependent on the commercial crap that already floods the market.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #51 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 12:40:48 PT

re: He did not smile
There is a gathering, come close to the fire,warm your self, it is christmas,
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Comment #50 posted by global_warming on December 09, 2006 at 12:31:59 PT

re: 47
Hey MMan, did not know that, about jim morrison,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison"Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile egg–shell mind."Some feel "threat-ned", in this blood bathed war on drugs, I still cannot forget, the drug does not go to prison, it is some strange and forgotten human being who languishes in prison before some other human being, who has the power to place human beings into prisons, yonder comes Ms. Rosey, umbrella in her hand,..
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Comment #49 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 12:26:59 PT

Hope #27
Several days ago, on my way back from San Francisco after dark, and taking relatively unfamiliar public transportation, I got off at the wrong stop and had to ask for directions. I was medicated more than my usual amount, as well.So I walked down the ramp from the exit (the wrong one) and there were three or four men, two or three of whom were uniformed police, and they were all talking together.I asked how to get to the BART, and was told to get back on the train and continue to the next stop.In the course of this I made eye contact with one of the uniforms, he was not the one answering my question but he stared me down real good and I just met his eyes and could see his were like a dog ready to leap (pounce sounds too feline, he was like a suspicious guard dog, if you can picture this). Couple this with the fact that I was carrying a small brown paper bag in front of me, closed but unconcealed in the slightest.He did not smile, nod or make any indication to me of acknowledgment, he just looked intently until I turned around and walked back up to get the next train.That is San Francisco.
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Comment #48 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 12:15:18 PT

afterburner
A "warning" is not a small matter to people who are afraid of police, afraid of being arrested and thrown in jail. Afraid of what could be done to them. Afraid because of what has been done to so many people, perhaps family members or friends of the person being warned.A warning is a threat, and it's a serious threat with serious consequences. Police use deadly force.
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Comment #47 posted by museman on December 09, 2006 at 12:03:02 PT

yesterday
Was Jim Morrisons birthday, and the day the republicans had John Lennon assassinated.On a sign in Central Park, kind of like a permanent graffiti, are (were) the words "John Lennon died for your sins."If John Lennon were alive today, we wouldn't be 'looking for a leader' we'd all know who to vote for. Even I, who needs no leader would follow that man. But of course that possibility is the number one reason why Reagan-Bush had him killed.The reason why we don't have a 'leader' is because no decent person can stand up against the corruption and tyranny without being shot down. The only way to 'succeed' in politics, is to become something other than a 'decent' person. If you want to represent the people, rather than the ultra-rich, power elite special interests, then you better watch your back, and don't stand in the open for too long. 30 years ago we got that message; "War is over, if you want it." I guess over -all people really didn't care all that much - as long as the wars don't directly effect them.As far a I am concerned, John Lennon said the only words of any import spoken during the entire last century; "All you need is Love."Jim Morrison made a statement on a plane, during their last tour; "What people want is something to believe in." To his credit, Jim tried to do that, to give people something to believe in. He was a modern-day shaman. He introduced thousands of people to the magic of this continent -which the native people are all naturally aware of.Considering the actions against Jim by the fed, and his subsequent retreat to France -where he died, it is not too far-fetched to assume some complicity on the part of our government in his death, as well.Both Jim, and John - named ofter two of the most influential apostles of Y'shua, smoked marijuana. Consistently, and often.Rest in Peace brothers.
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Comment #46 posted by jasgrave333 on December 09, 2006 at 11:38:19 PT:

He credited the 11 ounces of marijuana...
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He credited the 11 ounces of marijuana that he smokes over the course of 25 days.
"Yes, it's a medicine for the brain and soul; am living proof...
Reverend Jason Graves of THChurch...
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Comment #45 posted by goneposthole on December 09, 2006 at 09:25:50 PT

The Power of Water, a bit off topic
http://www.internationalwaterforlifefoundation.org/ "If, Water = Me = Life
Then, Peace (Water) = Peaceful Water, Peaceful Me, Peaceful Life"A young student placed two jars filled with rice and some water in each one. She spoke to each jar each day. One jar of rice and water was given kind words. 'Thank you' and such; the other jar was called 'you fool.' The jar of rice that was treated with kindness had a good color and smelled sweet of healthy fermentation. The other jar of rice that was treated badly turned a brown black color."Of all the words you speak, keep them soft and sweet. You never know which ones you'll have to eat."Peaceful Waters
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on December 09, 2006 at 08:53:38 PT

Toker00
Today we are going to decorate our front porch with lights but right now we are watching Simon and Garfunkel's Concert in Central Park from back in the 80s after a ten year or more separation. In the beginning Paul is thanking people even Mayor Koch and he got boos and then he said he really wanted to thank the people who are selling loose joints because they will donate half of their profits to the city and all 500,000 of them it seemed broke into cheers. Why is Cannabis STILL illegal? It truly amazes me.
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Comment #43 posted by ekim on December 09, 2006 at 08:50:22 PT

Rep Sheen of Plainwell MI ---it gets worse----
also went on to relate that his brother had used marijuana to relieve the symtoms of AIDS. It was the Reps opinion, based on his brother's experience, that anyone who wants to use marijuana already can with little fear of arrest. if all medical marijuana users were so fortunate as to have a brother who is a State Representative.Lets see---- symptonms of AIDS ---- does AIDS just go away.
with no further need for this plant. How often does that happen.
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Comment #42 posted by Truth on December 09, 2006 at 08:49:33 PT

strains
Bubbleberry - yumSour Diesel - strong dank flavorWavy Gravy  - fruity delicious, the ultimate
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Comment #41 posted by Toker00 on December 09, 2006 at 08:36:18 PT

Mayan
Interesting about the storm. Might play hell on all this wireless-ism. Remember the 60's? Buckle your belt. They may have been a primer for what's to come. Like change? Well get ready. I can't remember a time when activists were more numerous, connected and organizable than right now, with the Internet and wireless communications.Mayan, you are appreciated much for your work here and everywhere.I'm just trying to enjoy this nice cold weather down here in the Gulf of Mexico, we have so little of it. I SO enjoyed our White Christmas two years ago. A one hundred year span from the last one. Toke. 
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Comment #40 posted by JoeCitizen on December 09, 2006 at 08:28:17 PT

No LEOs quoted!
What stood out to me immediately in my first reading of this article is that there are no Law Enforcement Officers quoted.  With the exception of one obtuse comment from a Republican legislator, it is actually absent of any negatiave commentary at all! Usually the lies and half-truths of the DEA agent, the Chief of Police, or the local Sherrif are given prominence, and you have to scan very late in the article to find any sort of rejoinder from an activist or patient. If there is a rejoinder at all.That's one reason I really like this article. The other is that it mentions vaporization, and correctly notes it as a way to reduce carcinogens.Well done!!JC
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Comment #39 posted by Toker00 on December 09, 2006 at 08:15:27 PT

EJ, whig
"Some people only want to know if it's indica or sativa, so they know whether to smoke it before bed or before they clean out the garage."So True, EJ, so True!Republican't. Republidon't. Republiwon't. Republididn't. Repubiwouldn't. Republicouldn't. Republicisn't.Your right, whig. In the future, we probably Republishouldn't.Wage Peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on December 09, 2006 at 08:07:25 PT

Graehstone
I think of it this way. Corn can be yellow corn or white corn. They are different but they still are corn. One farmer can nuture his corn and another farmer might have the exact same kind of seed corn but if the other farmer doesn't tend his corn right his won't be as good as the farmer who cares for his corn. 
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Comment #37 posted by Graehstone on December 09, 2006 at 07:54:51 PT

Strain list
Trying to go the "strain" way is difficult. I have a list of strains that is 18 pages (MSN Word) long an growing on a daily basis. It really is best to just do either Indica or Sativa unless you have someone that can consistently grow one particular strain for you and that is iffy at best.
The single best way to make sure you are getting "Good" meds is if you grow your own.
I also understand that not everyone is in a position to do that though.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on December 09, 2006 at 07:34:13 PT

EJ Just a Comment
I have never been interested in names of strains because I haven't followed things like that. My questions would be is it an Indica or a Sativa or a little of both. It's all comes from one plant.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on December 09, 2006 at 07:30:11 PT

Hope
That was cute. Thank you. PS: Is your computer working ok now? 
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Comment #34 posted by E_Johnson on December 09, 2006 at 07:29:40 PT

If you have unlimited time, whig, good for you
"Anyhow in a place like this there is just about unlimited time to talk about the strains and whatever you want to know."a. I don't HAVE unlimited time. I have a lot on my plate. b. The rapid proliferation of strain names makes the process of learning different strains IMPOSSIBLEc. Only people who are deep in the marijuana "in crowd" really care what the strain name is.d. Isn't the goal to help spread this medicine OUTSIDE the "in crowd" of people who know and care about strain names?e. There was no other reason for him not to finish that board other than his own personal laziness. I have a physical allergy to lazy people who make excuses for their laziness right in front of the people who are most affected by it. That kind of behavior is just downright insulting.
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Comment #33 posted by mayan on December 09, 2006 at 06:35:36 PT

More
MCKINNEY'S FULL REMARKS ON BUSH IMPEACHMENT BILL:
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0113.htmlShe was not allowed to read them on the House floor! 
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Comment #32 posted by mayan on December 09, 2006 at 06:26:58 PT

Interesting
This is very unusual,especially considering that the sun is in it's less active phase...Powerful Magnetic Storm Approaches the Earth:
http://www.kommersant.com/p728532/r_530/Sun_Magnetic_Storm/Here you can actually watch the shock wave on the face of the sun...http://www.spaceweather.com
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Comment #31 posted by mayan on December 09, 2006 at 05:08:14 PT

Dankhank
Cynthia McKinney is a true American patriot.McKinney Introduces Bill To Impeach Bush:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/12/08/national/w152917S79.DTLThe two parties are very terrified right now that they are being exposed as one. When one goes down the other will go down and they know it. Both parties were complicit in the 9/11 attacks/cover-up, both parties supported the Iraq war and both parties have have maintained cannabis prohibition for nearly seventy years. It is long past time to clean house.It's going coast to coast...San Francisco Tea Party for 9/11 Truth - 12/16/06:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/12/07/18335726.php
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Comment #30 posted by afterburner on December 09, 2006 at 04:36:16 PT

Michigan: More NORML Every Day
US MI: PUB LTE: It's Time to Re-Think the Failed 'War on Drugs' 
by Paul Armentano, (Source: Detroit News)
07 Dec 2006
http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v06/n1662/a02.htm?134US MI: Edu: Editorial: State Should Allow Medicinal Marijuana 
(Source: Michigan Daily)
04 Dec 2006
Michigan
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v06/n1646/a06.htmlUS MI: Column: No-Knock Raids' Collateral Damage 
by Mark Lenz, editor of The Daily Telegram, (Source: Daily Telegram)
05 Dec 2006
Michigan
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v06/n1653/a02.html
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Comment #29 posted by Hope on December 09, 2006 at 04:04:46 PT

Yonder comes Ms. Martha!
C-News in her hand!Yonder comes Ms. Martha.Gonna free this land.Let the C-News Special shine her light on you!(I'll be humming and singing that all day long.)I feel kind of plageristic today.How 'bout, I wish all you C-Newsers..."Good day, Sunshine."
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on December 09, 2006 at 03:49:51 PT

E_Johnson 
I so agree with you!
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on December 09, 2006 at 03:47:16 PT

"A person's condition affects what an officer does
I don't think he was talking about the "condition" of their health. If you look like a "pothead" to the officer, that needs arresting and roughing around by the system a bit (for your own good, of course, in the prohibitionist cop's eyes...that's your condition...you're a pothead. That's "what condition your condition is in".)If they have cannabis medicine....does he "wind test" it for the patient? How the heck can a cop judge your medical condition unless you're dead, bleeding, or unconcious? They could tell of course, if you are an amputee. Does he take your temperature and blood pressure to get an idea of what your condition is?What happened to "The officer always has to follow the law...even if he disagrees with it." and the ever famous, "It's the law. If you don't like it...change it."Here comes Ms. Martha,C-News in her hand.She come to the internetCome to get her man...and woman.Gonna change that law.Gonna stop "The Man"From killing all those people And makin a jailhouse of this land.Yonder comes Ms. Martha!C-News in her hand!
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on December 09, 2006 at 03:36:18 PT

Potpal, comment 3 and 4.
I liked the way you wrote it the first time. "The goverment has a lot of hurdles to jump if ever to catch up to medicinal cannabis. Medicinal cannabis will keep rolling along with them."Indeed...it will keep "rolling along with them"...like a huge rolling wave of the greatest ocean. It will carry them along...whether they like it or not...or they will just fall off and drown or get left behind. It's rolling. It's going. It's a miracle in a plant. It's a huge and powerful force. It's truth and it will keep rolling along.
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Comment #25 posted by afterburner on December 09, 2006 at 03:17:59 PT

YES we do, or better yet Repeal Prohibition
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Rep. Fulton Sheen, R-Plainwell, questioned the merit of the proposal because police often let off medical patients with a warning when found in possession."A person's condition affects what an officer does," Sheen said. "More times than not, they won't be arrested. Do we need to create a law for something already taking place?"
}A "warning"? For sick people medicating? Do the police 'warn' diabetics that use insulin? Do the police 'warn' cancer patients that use chemotherapy? Stop the double standard! Stop making excuses. Stop pussy-footing. The Republican party is in disgrace due to GW Bush's repressive, deceitful and disrespectful treatment of patients, citizens, the Constitution and other nations. If this Republican Representative wants to increase goodwill for his party, he needs to take cannabis medicine seriously. 
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on December 09, 2006 at 03:17:51 PT

"A person's condition affects what an officer does
Yes...and if they don't like your hairstyle or your shirt tail is out...they can arrest you for it, if they make it part of the "circumstances" and "condition" and the officer's judgement of hairstyles and clothing styles. You better be aware all the time of "what condition your condition is".That's the honest to God truth. I've seen it. I was a juror on a case like that once. They can choose to call it "disshelveled appearance", as I recall. The woman wasn't "disshelveled" at all. We had film of that night. Her hair was fixed...and I mean "fixed" as with hairspray...in a modern, fluffy, spikey casual looking (yet not)hairsyle. (She was a hairstylist!) Her hair was fixed almost exactly the same way during the trial. He said her hair was "disarrayed". Yes... perfectly and on purpose! (I think her lawyer chose me...because I had a perfectly "disarrayed" hairstyle, myself, and a business suit on.)He said her shirt tail was out and that was "disshelveled" and something else. She was a little plump...most women that are, even if they imagine it, like shirt tails that "cover"....and the damned shirt had a hemmed bottom that was supposed to be out.The officer didn't like her...didn't like her "style"...and threw the book at her as hard as he could.I've known the officer all his life...it didn't get me off the jury and him being the cop, and knowing his family well didn't make me be on his side. I think he got a chance to show HIS ass ...and boy did he ever! I've now seen what kind of man the kid really made...and I'm so disappointed.Yes...just leave it to the judgement of the all knowing, all perfection cop. You can always trust him to do the right thing. NOT!!!!!When will these freaking people wake up?Also, if you are one of those people...usually women, like I am, that usually has to stop and think which is their left and which is their right and usually guess it wrong before they correct themselves...well...you're in trouble with some cops...as was the case in the case I was a part of.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 01:34:59 PT

30%
http://www.woodka.com/2006/12/08/america-now-with-only-30-stupid/
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Comment #22 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 00:54:21 PT

Just musing
I've only been to a few dispensaries, but the one I visited this week in San Francisco is the best environment I've found so far, a very comfortable space where people can relax and listen to people performing music, engage in other community activities, or get help if needed.Anyhow in a place like this there is just about unlimited time to talk about the strains and whatever you want to know. Other dispensaries that I've been to have a separate room with very limited time to make whatever transaction and then exit out to a room where there may be people medicating (if the dispensary allows this).The main differences are philosophical. Some dispensaries are trying to create a coffee shop atmosphere, some a respite, some a sanctuary. The one I've visited in San Francisco is a sanctuary, having medical sales under the same roof under the principle of non-profit harm reduction necessity.
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Comment #21 posted by whig on December 09, 2006 at 00:25:24 PT

E_Johnson
Okay, this is going to sound like a spoiled reply, but it's true of where I live.If you don't like that dispensary, take your recommendation elsewhere.
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Comment #20 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2006 at 23:55:01 PT

Some rules I'd like to see grrrrr
Okay for people out there who don't have access to a dispensary this is going to sound spoiled. But this is an issue that needs to be worked out.You can't really rely on strain name when you're buying medical marijuana. So how do you know whether you're getting a sativa or an indica or a mix?The club I'm going to supplies this information sporadically. One day the menu board will all have I's and S's. One day it will have them but many of them will be obviously wrong. (For exmaple, calling Hindu Kush a sativa.) And another day half of the strains will have them and half will not.Today the guy said he didn't fill them all in because he didn't have time. I offered to wait while he filled them in. He said there were patients waiting. I said I was the patient who was waiting.He knew them all off the top of his head. But he couldn't spend the 20 seconds it would have taken to jot them down on the board.No, he wanted each and every patient to ask him about each strain, one by one. Why do people in the marijuana world think that every sick person who comes into the club wants to buy it THAT WAY? We are not all strain fetishists. Some people only want to know if it's indica or sativa, so they know whether to smoke it before bed or before they clean out the garage.This is I think the biggest pain in the butt for medical marijuana that makes the standardization and reliability of GW products look attractive in comparison.
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Comment #19 posted by whig on December 08, 2006 at 22:55:13 PT

I'm speechless
http://tinyurl.com/y8sz7q
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on December 08, 2006 at 22:30:07 PT

Whig
I agree that what could surface might take down the Republican Party. People are tired of corruption in our leaders.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on December 08, 2006 at 22:23:05 PT

Dankhank
Yes, it will be a long and busy time. I think what is going to happen is so much news will surface and accountability will be demanded. Silent anger festers. Many people realize that Bush doesn't listen but that doesn't make the anger go away. I think until the next presidential election we will see more horrors and learn more facts and heaven knows if both Bush and Cheney could be Impeached. It will take time but it could happen. If Bush bucks the reports then he might be in for a battle like he has never seen before. It's like how angry a couple gets when they can't see eye to eye anymore and get a divorce. 
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Comment #16 posted by whig on December 08, 2006 at 22:14:31 PT

New name for the old party
Republican't.
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Comment #15 posted by whig on December 08, 2006 at 22:13:55 PT

FoM
I expect the Democratic party to split in two eventually, it will happen sooner rather than later if they don't do proper oversight.The good news is if they do successfully investigate the Republican administration of government, the reason they will split is that there will be no viable Republican party.And that should happen.
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Comment #14 posted by Dankhank on December 08, 2006 at 22:11:41 PT

It's gonna be a long, busy two years ...
I read this and sent the fool an email and asked why I haven't seen coverage of the GOP senator, Smith R-OR, speech re" Iraq war crime?"and for pushing the "spitting on soldiers" crap again ...http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235638,00.html
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on December 08, 2006 at 21:13:29 PT

Dankhank
I expect this whole thing to get very serious after the Democrats are in power. I know they won't leave any stone unturned. That's why they got voted in and they know it. If they find that corruption is at the highest level it wouldn't surprise me no matter how far it is taken. I don't think we have ever seen anything like what Bush and his people have done to us, Iraq and the world. 
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Comment #12 posted by Dankhank on December 08, 2006 at 20:34:40 PT

Breaking news ....
Check these out ...stuff's happening ...Bush actions criminal ... by a republican ...http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002104.phpimpeachment filed ...http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/45292/#more
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Comment #11 posted by The GCW on December 08, 2006 at 19:02:19 PT

A question is being asked.
A question is being asked."How can we protect our police?" -CN MB: 3 Winnipeg Cops ShotPubdate: Fri, 08 Dec 2006Source: Winnipeg Sun (CN MB)Contact: editor wpgsun.comhttp://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1666/a07.html?397
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Comment #10 posted by The GCW on December 08, 2006 at 18:32:49 PT

Rules?
"Rules for obtaining and using medical marijuana must be worked out before ..."-A state can use rules set up in other states that already has rules.Colorado based it's "rules" on Oregon's model...Michigan could base its laws on examples that already exist.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on December 08, 2006 at 18:22:28 PT

Dankhank
I'm glad you liked the video.Mayan, I am glad I don't know anything about Stocks. I've said it before but the Stock Market reminds me of a big pyramid scheme. I sure am not into putting money into anything except my home. You don't lose on something tangible. 
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Comment #8 posted by mayan on December 08, 2006 at 18:16:25 PT

The Canaries Are Dropping
TOP-LEVEL INSIDERS SELLING THEIR STOCK: 
http://tinyurl.com/yz686hThat isn't good news. Of course, if the economy tanks then the fascists will have to have an excuse for it which will likely justify an Iran invasion also. THE WAY OUT...Join the Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth - 12/16/06:
http://boston911truth.org/teaparty/index.html
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Comment #7 posted by Dankhank on December 08, 2006 at 18:11:08 PT

John ...
like all about him ...thanx
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Comment #6 posted by whig on December 08, 2006 at 16:46:22 PT

Wayne
You should see Angel wielding her sword of justice and wearing her armor of righteousness.
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Comment #5 posted by Wayne on December 08, 2006 at 16:05:39 PT

I ask you, sir...
"A person's condition affects what an officer does," Sheen said. "More times than not, they won't be arrested. Do we need to create a law for something already taking place?"A better question would be, "What's the HARM in creating a law for something already taking place?" If, and I say IF, the police are leaving medical patients alone, then making it into law wouldn't change a thing, would it?And no, a person's condition does NOT affect what an officer does. Ask Richard Paey. Ask Angel Raich. The officers obviously didn't give a shit about their conditions!
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Comment #4 posted by potpal on December 08, 2006 at 15:03:36 PT

doh
Medicinal cannabis will keep rolling along 'without' them [the government].
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Comment #3 posted by potpal on December 08, 2006 at 12:02:08 PT

In truth
The goverment has a lot of hurdles to jump if ever to catch up to medicinal cannabis. Medicinal cannabis will keep rolling along with them.Politicans disgust me. Where are the leaders?"A person's condition affects what an officer does," Sheen said. "More times than not, they won't be arrested. Do we need to create a law for something already taking place?"So you're at the descretion and mercy of the officer, nice. And if he's hung over from the night before? Rather than create a new law, remove the one called prohibition of cannabis since millions ignore it daily.
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Comment #2 posted by ekim on December 08, 2006 at 10:11:13 PT

five days after this Hearing 
The Grand Rapids drug cops bust a semi with 3,500 pounds of Cannabis with a street value of $3.5 million.at a time when MI Gov Jenny is having to cut needed programs. How many tons are on the black market with no taxes being collected. Worse yet the Med Hearing the story is about was packed to overflowing out in the hall. Why not use this 3.500 lbs to give to the sick with a study that could be written up for use in the MI Med Cannabis Law.the bust story was in the KAl Gazette on Dec 7
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on December 08, 2006 at 09:49:04 PT

Merry Christmas Next Christmas I Hope
Enjoy!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f320hSBGadY
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