cannabisnews.com: Anger Spills Over in Atlanta at Killing of Woman Anger Spills Over in Atlanta at Killing of Woman Posted by CN Staff on November 28, 2006 at 19:36:15 PT By Shaila Dewan and Brenda Goodman Source: New York Times Atlanta -- At the packed Lindsey Street Baptist Church, a man in a three-piece suit approached a microphone Tuesday night and began to preach to the man in the pulpit. “You say you’re going to come in and clean up the neighborhood,” he said. “But there’s a difference between cleaning up and cleaning out.”The patient object of this lecture, and others that followed, was the police chief, Richard J. Pennington, who had come to a community meeting to face an angry crowd a week after three of his narcotics officers shot an elderly woman to death at her home. The shooting, in a black neighborhood tormented by crime, has touched off outrage at the police, especially after a confidential informant came forward Monday and said that after the killing, officers instructed him to lie by saying he had bought drugs at the home of the woman, Kathryn Johnston.At a demonstration Tuesday called by the New Black Panther Party, protesters stormed police barricades in front of Ms. Johnston’s house. And at the church, filled with some 400 people, critics demanded that the officers involved be arrested. Placards mocked the fact that they, along with five other members of their narcotics investigation team, had been given administrative leave but would still receive their salaries: “Kill a black citizen and get paid.”Such scenes might be more common in cities where a police shooting can easily shred the carefully woven strands of race, authority, force and order. But it was unusual for Atlanta, with its relative racial harmony. Although the Police Department’s record is not unblemished, there has not been a string of high-profile shootings, nor anything to rival the killing of Amadou Diallo in New York or the beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles. Further, the department is racially balanced — of the three investigators who knocked on Ms. Johnston’s door, two were white and one was black — and is led by a black man. The family of Ms. Johnston, whose funeral was held Tuesday in neighboring East Point, Ga., has said she lived alone. But the three officers were executing a search warrant that said an informant had purchased crack from a man at her address. The police had obtained a no-knock warrant, allowing them to enter without first announcing themselves, so as to prevent the disposal of evidence. They cut the burglar bars, forced open the door and then identified themselves as officers.But Ms. Johnston, 88, was already at the door with a revolver, which neighbors later said she had kept for protection. She shot all three officers before she fell in a hail of gunfire.On Monday, the informant said in an interview with Fox News that he had never been to the house and had been asked after the shooting to lie about having bought crack there. The police, on the other hand, say they have two bags of crack bought by the informant before the warrant was served, and three bags of marijuana recovered at the house after the shooting. The president of the police union said Tuesday that the informant had lied in the Fox interview to avoid entanglement.Whatever the case, the rage here appears to be less about the Atlanta police than about a general perception that the justice system is unfair to blacks and cannot be trusted to protect them. “This is nothing new; this is not an isolated incident,” said the Rev. Anthony Motley, the pastor of the church. “We are experiencing a wave of police violence across this nation, and Kathryn Johnston is another victim of that violence.”Others said many people in Atlanta felt violated by the police even if the results were not frequently fatal. “Below the surface there’s some rage in people always when it comes to perceptions of the police,” said Clarence T. Martin, a member of the City Council who is vice chairman of its Public Safety Committee.Chief Pennington has sought to take the edge off by declining to defend his department and by asking for the F.B.I. investigation that the bureau has now undertaken.And for this he has earned praise. On Tuesday night, when the crowd at the church grew unruly, Mr. Motley, the pastor, appealed for calm, saying: “We’re all family. I want you to say amen.”Those present replied, “Amen.”“The chief has taken a pretty good beating,” the pastor told them. “I like what the chief has done so far.”Complete Title: Anger Spills Over in Atlanta at Killing of Aged Woman Source: New York Times (NY)Author: Shaila Dewan and Brenda GoodmanPublished: November 29, 2006Copyright: 2006 The New York Times CompanyContact: letters nytimes.comWebsite: http://www.nytimes.com/Related Article:Atlanta Police To Review 'No-Knock' Policyhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22407.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #41 posted by FoM on November 30, 2006 at 21:39:19 PT Wayne I think Keith Olbermann has been doing a good job and I'm glad he is speaking out about O'Reilly. I also enjoy Jon Stewart. I never watched O'Reilly because Fox News is a Republican channel so I knew none of the programming would interest me. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by Wayne on November 30, 2006 at 20:57:18 PT FoM I wouldn't worry dear. Bill O'Reilly doesn't have a friggin' clue what traditional American values are. The man used to be a halfway decent journalist a while back, but I lost every last bit of respect for him ever since he started this 'culture war' BS. It's nothing more than a 'war' between the Moral-Majority types and everyone else. All he ever talks about now is same-sex marriage and abortion and how 'those liberals in the media' are gonna get us all killed. He has effectively taken his 'fair-and-balanced no-spin-zone' and ran it straight into a brick wall, and thankfully a lot of other journalists and personalities are starting to call him on it now. Keith Olbermann rags on him just about every night these days.You know, there's a certain set of 'traditional American values' that I believe in: freedom of speech and thought, freedom of assembly, freedom from unreasonable search & seizure, privacy in my home, and the ideas of live-and-let-live and butting out of people's personal lives. Funny...you never hear Bill-O saying a single PEEP about any of those. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by FoM on November 30, 2006 at 08:44:59 PT Why Are They Afraid? I was looking at news today and Pat Robertson was being interviewed by O'Reilly and it wasn't much to remember but what I got out of the interview is fear of losing traditional values. What are traditional values? Who determines what are traditional values? What do they want from us? How will it fix anything if everyone returns to their value structure? Just my thoughts. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by Hope on November 30, 2006 at 07:49:28 PT CRI Golly...if the goverment authorities say the man's reliable...then he must be. That's all there is to it. And they are so good and honest and trustworthy...the authorities, I mean. They would NEVER lie or do anything wrong. They have our best interests at heart at all times. Don't they?This is a free country. We are free to do exactly what they order...I mean, tell us, to do. As long as we don't cross them in any way they won't hurt us. If they break down our door in the middle of the night and throw an incendiary device into our living room...they mean well. They are completely selfless...they are doing it all for our own good.Of course the man is a "reliable" informant. They wouldn't associate and work with the man if he weren't. I mean...they're protecting us from an awful plague. They said so. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by whig on November 29, 2006 at 21:16:03 PT freewillks Look at the affidavit for the warrant -- they use the phrase -- "confidential and reliable informant (CRI)".Reliable being operative.Now they say he's not reliable.Which is it? [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by ekim on November 29, 2006 at 19:46:42 PT like wise Whig - glad you have compassion does anyone know how to look this up as i wrote a short note on the hearing but miss spelled Irvin Rosenfeld name. and i said it was the drug czar it was a Fed ONDCP Deputy Director Scott Burns, as he kept saying that smoked marijuana was not a approved medicine. Only FDA has sole reg control over investigating and evaluating and approvingmedicines not state leg and definitely not ballot initiatives. The jr dir was asked what about vaporization he stated he had no knowledge of vaporization - had never heard of it- and the bill did not mention it anyway.Fellow activists: Attached is copy of article submitted to Drug War Chronicle, re: today's hearing on HB5470. We scored big time today! [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by freewillks on November 29, 2006 at 19:04:32 PT What happened to the $50 Just got done reading the warrant. Did they recover the fifty bucks or find any scales in the house. and how does one get a copy of items siezed. Also this Jason Tesler is a bad cop. City just paid out 450,000 to settle a case of trumped up charges. The link is a copy of the warrant. http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/searchwarrant.pdf [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by Hope on November 29, 2006 at 18:33:01 PT Whig That's hard. It would be hard for an adult...but for a ten year old it must have been traumatic. It'd be traumatic for an adult. I'm sorry that happened to you, too. [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by whig on November 29, 2006 at 16:41:21 PT Toker00 It's sadder. The neighbor dog was put down, too. Just a mess. I was a kid, maybe 10. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by Toker00 on November 29, 2006 at 16:31:02 PT Wow. My guess? She missed all three of them. The two white guys shot each other, the one black guy shot himself, and all three of them pissed their pants while trying to hit the poor old lady, who probably only fired a warning shot.Toke. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by freewillks on November 29, 2006 at 15:56:15 PT What are the odds? remember what I said. ATLANTA—(FOX5) There’s new information Wednesday night in the Atlanta police shooting last week that left an elderly woman dead. Sources told FOX5 that although officers suffered multiple gunshot wounds, Kathryn Johnston fired only one round. Click on video for more information http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1637887&version=1& [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by Toker00 on November 29, 2006 at 14:25:11 PT whig Sorry bro. That sucks.Toke. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by freewillks on November 29, 2006 at 12:48:33 PT the informant and pickle. If the informant is lieing to invesigators now will this allow for the apeal of all convictions based on this CI.How many other inocent people are in prison becouse of the lieing Narcs or lieing informant?which came first the chicken or the egg?What a poop storm :] [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by FoM on November 29, 2006 at 12:26:17 PT Hope I agree with you that the America I love isn't what it was. It's wrecked now. Maybe we can fix it. I hope so. [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by Hope on November 29, 2006 at 12:12:07 PT The "remedy" was not appropriate. They had a chance to correct this. I do blame them. I do hold them responsible.Some of those "Justices", when they whirl by in their black robes leave a terrible stench behind them, as they did in this case.America, that I love....I so grieve for you.Unjust laws. Unjust Justices. So many in prison and chained to and being sucked dry by the corrupt justice system. Militaristic police invading people's homes. Children, old people, people of all ages, and pets slaughtered in their own homes by the "authorities".Ungodly taxes sucked out of our labor, to pay for their expensive travesties.It's not right. I hope and pray we can make it better than it is today.Give us back our freedom and the earnings of our labor! [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by whig on November 29, 2006 at 11:46:03 PT Hope I won't condemn the supreme court with blood for this case, the only question before them was whether the suppression remedy was appropriate.I disagree with the ruling, of course. Such no-knock warrants ought not to be capable of obtaining judicially noticed evidence. [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by Hope on November 29, 2006 at 11:15:29 PT The Supreme Court Justices could have prevented this, with a ruling this last summer, but they didn't. They voted FOR no-knock warrants when they had a chance to end them.The Justices that voted for this are no Justices at all...if it were really about justice.http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21914.shtmlI pray that the Justices that voted for these raids never forget what they've done. I pray that they feel the burden and sorrow of what they've done…or not done to correct it. They should never forget it, not for a minute until they've corrected it. Blood is on their hands and heads...hideously so.I can't help but hope they get to feel the horror of what they've done. When it's their home that's invaded in the middle of the night and they are awakened terrorized, let's see how they react. Let's see how they like it. They and anyone who approves of these raids shouldn't get away with this. I hope with all my heart that they realize and feel what they've done and that they wear their bloody crown...knowing what it is...their halos encrusted with the blood of innocents. What despicable beings they are. If they have any conscience at all, which I doubt, it must be a damned wiggly one. One that wiggles out from under every burden that comes their way...and wiggles it off on to those they harmed. They are worthy to be despised as any cruel and violent person. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by whig on November 29, 2006 at 10:43:31 PT Toker00 I had a dog when I was young, and it was killed by a neighbor dog. Then I was given another dog that was not wanted.Very sad. [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by FoM on November 29, 2006 at 10:32:00 PT unkat27 I think that's a good idea. Maybe after they get in power in January they might take a look at this important issue about No Knock raids. They are looking at issues about Colombia and the sentence disparity between Crack and Cocaine I read. I wouldn't expect it to be immediate because getting us out of Iraq will take priority but maybe later on they will address these issues. [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by unkat27 on November 29, 2006 at 10:00:13 PT Dems should Reverse Repug's No-Knock Policy No-Knock policy is fundamentally wrong and dysfunctional, not to mention obviously quite dangerous. Chock it up to the blatant ignorance and incompetence of the repug-controlled congress and the arrogant, dumber-than-s__t WH executive leadership. If the dem-dominated congress has any real brains, it'll reverse this one asap in 2007. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by Hope on November 29, 2006 at 09:55:55 PT Laduncon comment 3 No amount of drug use or any amount of stopping drug use is worth what drug warriors are doing and have done, and apparently will do, to everything this nation stood for. It's unbelievable that they've been allowed to continue this assault on our own citizens this long.People seem to have been mesmerized or charmed by the snake and they don't even see what's happening or see the danger. [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by Toker00 on November 29, 2006 at 09:29:17 PT whig Hudogity. Toke. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by Toker00 on November 29, 2006 at 09:26:40 PT whig Yep. Sometimes when I leave, I can hear Elvis start howling the loneliest howl. He is ALWAYS a jitter when I walk through the door. Unconditional Love. Trust. Friendship. Loyalty. Tell me again who is the better example of Humanity, the Dog, or the Man?Toke. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by JustGetnBy on November 29, 2006 at 09:24:08 PT No_Knock Warrant I just love to hear Govt-Speak. In plain everyday english a No-Knock Warrant is an armed home invasion. The facts don't change based on who the HOME INVADER works for. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by whig on November 29, 2006 at 08:14:27 PT nuevo mexican The reason we do not give wide coverage to suicides is we do not want to encourage copycats. Believe me, it is a moral dilemma, but on the whole there is nothing so remarkable about a person killing themself as news stories go, except when they commit murder-suicide.I understand cannabis is very helpful for some people with depression, though fundamentally what you need to do is change your circumstances if you are not happy in those you find yourself. The real bind -- the cause of depression is the despair caused by this -- is the belief or "certainty" that your conditions, the intolerable circumstances you face, are unchangeable.Time is the key, and if you think you are where you are now, forever, you are not. You just don't know when it will end. It could be in an hour or a year. Think about your house pets, if you have any -- consider a dog, when the master or mistress of the house goes out to run errands and comes back, or goes out of town for a weekend, or even puts the dog in a kennel for a week, in either case, the dog has no idea when this loneliness will end. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by nuevo mexican on November 29, 2006 at 07:18:37 PT More on braves souls......... We should all rise to this occasion, standing up for your beliefs, so let's not let this story continue to go unnoticed in the mainstream lapdog press!Yes, this elderly, defenseless, and of course, black woman did the right thing, (imagine the uproar if she was white, which makes me even more sick) and paid with her life for it, as this seriously depressed (who's not?) man couldn't take living in a Nazified America anymore, takes his life heroically, and our media refuses to cover the story, so here we go, doing our job as real reporters reporting real news, that lurking reporters looking for a story at C-News need to report, thanks in advance!Now go, do your jobs, lame reporters of bushes lies, lame reporters who shill for bush, for their corp-whor-ate masters, and fail to do the right thing, everyday it seems, except for a few, and we all know who they are, Greg Palast, Amy Goodman, Keith Olberman, Micheal Moore, Helen from the White House Press.... SO WHERE ARE ALL THE BRAVE REPORTERS FROM AMERICAS' recent PAST?War Protestor's Public Suicide in Chicago Went Unnoticed by Media Sunday 26 November 2006 Chicago - Malachi Ritscher envisioned his death as one full of purpose. He carefully planned the details, mailed a copy of his apartment key to a friend, created to-do lists for his family. On his Web site, the 52-year-old experimental musician who'd fought with depression even penned his obituary. At 6:30 a.m. on Nov. 3 - four days before an election caused a seismic shift in Washington politics - Ritscher, a frequent anti-war protester, stood by an off-ramp in downtown Chicago near a statue of a giant flame, set up a video camera, doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire. Aglow for the crush of morning commuters, his flaming body was supposed to be a call to the nation, a symbol of his rage and discontent with the US war in Iraq. "Here is the statement I want to make: if I am required to pay for your barbaric war, I choose not to live in your world. I refuse to finance the mass murder of innocent civilians, who did nothing to threaten our country," he wrote in his suicide note. "... If one death can atone for anything, in any small way, to say to the world: I apologize for what we have done to you, I am ashamed for the mayhem and turmoil caused by my country." There was only one problem: No one was listening. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_112706T.shtml [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by goneposthole on November 29, 2006 at 06:22:08 PT fight or flee An 88 year-old woman decided to fight. It was a courageous decision, probably the only one she had.She couldn't run. She couldn't hide. She decided to fight. A profile of courage. The cowards that killed her are running and hiding now.They dare call themselves 'men.' Nothing could be further from the truth.Not a profile of courage. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by FoM on November 29, 2006 at 06:15:07 PT kaptinemo The term fascist and communist have always been hard for me to separate and figure out what they mean. It actually took me until after the CSNY concert this summer and I found this link on David Crosby's web site that I started to figure it out. Hippies have been called commies and then I see people use the word fascist. I've said I do not know much about history. I pay attention to ancient history but not this kind of history. It seems Republicans call my type of belief a commie while they are turning into fascists. It seems that we are either a commie or a fascist but why do we have to be either? Where is the middle ground?http://crosbycpr.com/content/TOURS/2004/news_text/austinSermon.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Wayne on November 29, 2006 at 06:13:57 PT Re: kapt #9 I noticed that too. At first, a small amount of cannabis was found in the house after the shooting. I remember that part specifically. NOW, it's two bags of crack and three bags of cannabis, and the police union president is saying that the informant is lying.I have three basic questions that I feel NEED to be answered immediately. 1) Was the police union president present at the shooting or the interrogation? If not, how would he be so sure the informant was lying? 2) If the informant was lying at any point or lying all along, and the police knew it, why did they still use his information as a basis for a raid? 3) Who in their right mind is going to believe that an 88-year-old woman sold some strange thug two bags of crack and three bags of cannabis? HONESTLY? Do they really think we're THAT f***ing stupid?? And really, did they need to be so sneaky as to dress up in plain clothes and barge into the house in order to outsmart an 88-year-old woman? That really is pathetic. Those officers really have no balls whatsoever. And yet, they still get paid and we get to foot their hospital bills.This whole thing reminds me of that scene in 'LA Confidential' where one officer asks the other, "A naked man with a gun? You really think anyone is going to believe that? What would it look like in the papers?" "It will look like justice, and that's what the man got...justice." This whole thing stinks to high heaven.As I see it, in terms of the Atlanta PD, we all need to hold their feet to the fire on this one. If we stick to the details and demand answers, there really is no way out of this one for them. And no amount of lying or planting evidence will cover it up.It's a classic catch-22: If the informant is telling the truth, it means the police set the whole thing up from square one and murdered an innocent woman. If the informant was lying to the police or to the media, then it means the police used faulty information to conduct a botched raid and murdered an innocent woman. THERE IS NO WAY OUT! [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by OverwhelmSam on November 29, 2006 at 05:24:33 PT Personally I don't see how anyone can believe anything these bad cops say. I still think they planted the marijuana to discredit this dead woman. Alas, there is no one left alive who can dispute these officer's claims. It's getting pretty bad when the police are worse than criminals. [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by kaptinemo on November 29, 2006 at 05:17:58 PT: For fascists, it's always "THOSE PEOPLE" The germ of fascism runs deep in many people, in many societies, around the world, and cannot be excised with a handful of bromides. And its target has always been, and always will be, "those people". The different. The Other.That's what the DrugWar has always been about; "those people". Those (Black) people. Those (Brown) people. Those (Asian) people. Those (poor White-trash-looking) people. Those (hippie-looking, young) people. Those (stand up for your civil rights, 'troublemaking') people. Those (______________ fill in the blank) people. Always the focus on something, some perceived quality, in other people that the fascists themselves secretly pray won't be seen in them.So...you have to wonder what DrugWarriors hate about themselves so much that they feel they must project that hatred onto another? [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by charmed quark on November 29, 2006 at 04:20:46 PT Based on an informant So a person says that he bought a small quantity of crack or marijuana at your house. Based on this "evidence" the police can get a dangerous no-knock warrant, a warrant that can easily lead to the death of someone. Imagine if you lived in a dangerous neighborhood where assaults and break-ins are common. You wake up to find a bunch of men in dark clothing cutting through your security bars. If I believed in keeping weapons in my house, you can bet I'd be getting them out to protect myself.How in HELL did our society arrive at this point. Why do the police like to go around out of uniform and use deadly assault methods for this sort of minor thing, just so a person won't have the opportunity to flush some eveidence down the toilet.Even if you think the drug war is a good thing, this process is very, very bad. The police need to quit playing paramilitary. They need to start wearing uniforms so people know they are police, and they need to stop it with the no-knocks. It needs to stop NOW. [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by kaptinemo on November 29, 2006 at 04:11:43 PT: They can't get their stories straight First they they said the undercover officers bought cannabis there; the exact amount wasn't specified. They claimed they bought it from a 6 foot tall male named "Sam" who they estimated weighed 250-300 pounds. No such person lived there...everNow they claim they bought rock cocaine at the location?What's next? Dracula met them at the door and Santa Claus sold the rock to them? Is this what Chief Justice Scalia meant when he said in the Hudson ruling that "...we now have increasing evidence that police forces across the United States take the constitutional rights of citizens seriously" and that here have been “wide ranging reforms in the education, training, and supervision” of police officers that didn't necessitate the need for extensive indoctrination of police in the Constitution they're sworn to uphold? In short, we can trust the police because the badge they wear confers the same infallibility that The Pope is supposed to enjoy? That they'll never, ever lie? Sounds like it's the semi-annual Brooklyn Bridge sale time again; step up with your cash, folks. Sorry, no checks or credit cards, and all sales are final. Insulting the intelligence of the average American has become a national sport with those hired to protect our rights; it's long past time it stop. And here's a perfect opportunity. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by FoM on November 28, 2006 at 21:48:50 PT OverwhelmSam If we all do what believe we should maybe someday things will change for the better. We must keep trying. This story is a very sad story. The violence that the drug war creates is worse then any substance could possibly be. [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by OverwhelmSam on November 28, 2006 at 21:37:28 PT FoM My involvment is limited to educating my friends, family and acquaintences about their rights and the corrupt marijuana laws. The laws primarily affect the poor and uneducated anyway, and at most it would be a minor inconveniece to me if I were caught with a quarter ounce or something.I also make my thoughts known to my representatives and senators at the state and federal level. They may not agree with me, but at least they know what I think. A police brutality act would achieve broad support if enough people would just write their representatives. The bottom line, the People are responsible for government corruption if they ignore it. And they talk about cannabis consumers being lazy. Go figure. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by FoM on November 28, 2006 at 21:18:31 PT Just a Thought I really believe police should be required to live in the neighborhood where they work. They then will get to know the people and it could help tone down the violence. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by FoM on November 28, 2006 at 21:09:26 PT OverwhelmSam That sounds like a good idea to me. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by OverwhelmSam on November 28, 2006 at 21:07:31 PT Federal Police Brutality Act It's time for Congress to pass a federal police brutality act to prosecute overzealous police. As for the corrupt officers involved in this incident, they should go to jail. If it's us against them, lets go after them whenever they generate the opportunity. [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by laduncon on November 28, 2006 at 20:53:59 PT Asking for it... Storming a person's house in plain clothes with guns drawn without so much as a knock constitutes participating in, and furthering the goals of, a police state.And for what? ... Drugs, thats what.Creating exceptions to the constitutional protections provided to all Americans in order to fight the "War on Drugs" endangers the liberties of us all. It also sets a dangerous precedent of "ends justifies the means-ism". After all, it is not truly a War on Drugs, but a War on People Who Use Drugs. Authorizing war on American citizens is treasonous, regardless of ones supposedly righteous aims or motivations.Last time I checked, there is not one Peace-time Constitution and another Wartime Constitution. The United States Constitution was designed to withstand both the rigors or war and the bounties of peace and should not be tinkered with to meet the shortsighted goals of those who would sacrifice its core tenets. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by FoM on November 28, 2006 at 20:50:20 PT The GCW I know exactly what you mean. I thought of that right away. It's a bad situation all the way around. [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by The GCW on November 28, 2006 at 20:30:55 PT What if? What if She killed those 3 cops? [ Post Comment ] Post Comment