cannabisnews.com: Measure P Fires Up City Officials
Measure P Fires Up City Officials
Posted by CN Staff on October 18, 2006 at 08:32:44 PT
By David Ferry, Staff Writer
Source: Daily Nexus
California -- With an initiative on the ballot to make pot possession a “lowest-priority” crime in Santa Barbara, the city’s weed smokers will have to clear their foggy memories and remember to vote in November’s upcoming election.Measure P, an initiative for the City of Santa Barbara on Nov. 7’s election ballot, would make adult marijuana possession intended for personal use legally equivalent to jaywalking and minor traffic violations. Santa Barbara Mayor Marty Blum, who does not support the measure, said she believes it will pass - despite opposition from the Santa Barbara Police Dept. - because of strong support from the public.
If the proposition passes, Blum will create a committee to monitor all police activity involving marijuana citations. The committee would require a written report from officers for all such incidents, and would be in charge of ensuring that the laws applicable to lowest-priority crimes are enforced.SBPD Spokesman Lt. Paul McCaffrey said the measure is a mistake and will interfere with the department’s ability to catch drug dealers. McCaffrey said he believes that if the measure passes, the committee will punish officers dealing with marijuana issues, which could in turn make public use of marijuana more widespread.“I think if the law passes it’s going to be a problem for a lot of people; it’s going to be less safe,” McCaffrey said. “I think more people will be using marijuana in situations that you don’t really want them to.”Officers are also arguing that the measure is unnecessary because the SBPD already places very little emphasis on catching adults with small quantities of marijuana. McCaffrey also said the current citation for possessing small amounts of the plant is close to the price of a moving vehicle violation.“The language [on the Measure] doesn’t take into consideration how much of a priority marijuana enforcement is right now,” McCaffrey said.Though Blum has been a supporter of medicinal marijuana in the past, she said she does not support the upcoming measure. She said the law is unnecessary because the police already treat marijuana possession as a low-priority crime. Blum said, if anything, the law would inhibit the SBPD’s ability to fight drug dealing.“What is the problem we’re trying to solve [with this measure]?” Blum said.One of Santa Barbara’s public officials, a number of citizens, and groups of UCSB students have expressed support for the measure.Lara Cassell, the campaign coordinator manager for Measure P, said SBPD’s fears are unfounded because the measure would not prevent officers from arresting individuals or prosecuting them. Instead, the oversight committee would help citizens who feel they have been unjustly arrested by the SBPD for marijuana incidents, she said. “This doesn’t tie the police’s hands in any way,” Cassell said. “The measure is actually only for adult marijuana offenses where the intention is for adult use.”According to a poll conducted by Sensible Santa Barbara, an organization created to support Measure P, the majority of the city’s population supports the initiative. City Councilman Das Williams said he supports the proposition because he thinks there are more important things for police to pursue, citing the growing use of methamphetamine in Santa Barbara. Williams also said the measure would allow the SBPD to enforce marijuana laws based on specific situations.“If you look at the measure and how it basically says you still can enforce the intent to sell, that still gives the police the discretion to enforce marijuana laws,” Williams said.Ethan Kravitz, a fourth-year computer engineering major and chair of Sensible Santa Barbara, said most UCSB students will not be able to vote for the measure, because it applies only to residents of Santa Barbara. Despite this, the initiative is a popular topic on campus, Kravitz said. Kravitz said members of UCSB’s chapter of the National Organization for the Reformation of Marijuana Laws petitioned Santa Barbara city residents for signatures to support the measure.“The whole population’s been really supportive; very few people said anything negative,” Kravitz said. “Most people signed it or were upset that they couldn’t sign it.”Local supporters and members of the UCSB chapter of NORML collected 10,000 signatures in order to place the measure on the ballot, Kravitz said. Measure P is based on similar laws passed in the cities of Seattle and Denver, and similar measures are currently under consideration by residents of Santa Cruz and Santa Monica, Calif. Newshawk: Paul ArmentanoSource: Daily Nexus (UC Santa Barbara, CA Edu)Author: David Ferry, Staff WriterPublished: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Daily NexusContact: opinion dailynexus.comWebsite: http://www.ucsbdailynexus.com/Related Article & Web Site:NORMLhttp://www.norml.org/Committee Lobbies for Marijuana Propositionhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21632.shtmlCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 13:49:17 PT
Had Enough
I just looked for a picture to show you but I couldn't find one. Neil's daughter Amber said that music is a way of getting a message out so then we go out and get on the soapbox and her dad won't have to. That was good I thought.
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Comment #91 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 13:28:11 PT
Big Mike
Could be.I could relate to that for now.Interesting.
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 13:24:29 PT
Had Enough
I don't think it was about Limbaugh but about us. Neil held the Mike out towards us. It's our turn now to take the Mike and do our part and fix this mess we are in.
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 13:22:27 PT
Had Enough
Thank you for sharing that with me and us. You are very welcome. This might seem weird but I just thought of Patrick Swayze trying to teach Baby how to dance in Dirty Dancing. He put her hand on his chest. It means feel the music and that's what your band did.
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Comment #88 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 13:11:08 PT
The Big Mike
The Big MikeI’ve heard you mention it in the past.Could that be a reference to Rush Limbaugh, and others of his kind?Don’t know, but interesting.I still think those horns in “Living With War” are a reference to the border issue.
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Comment #87 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 12:47:14 PT
Long Time Gone
I just spent the last hour or so thinking about that guitar player in the last band we had and playing Long Time Gone.He loved that tune, he always was commenting on it’s meaning. It was he who insisted we play that. It was kinda like “were playing this song and I could care less about anybody who doesn’t’ like it. We’re playing it, PERIOD!!!”So we practiced it and did pretty well with it, better than I had originally thought it would come out. Sometimes some songs just don’t come out right no matter what you do, and that is what my thoughts were from the start getting in. Boy was I ever wrong, about the 3rd or 4th time around it was coming together good. Then came the time to play it in public for the people, the crowd always liked it.
When we always got to the vocal part that says, "Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness,You got to speak your mind,If you dare." You should have seen his movements, the look in his eyes, and heard the sound of his guitar, as he did the vocals. Right there at that part his guitar would move up and down about 6 to 8 inches and it looked like he was choking the guitar and the neck was ready to pop off, the way he held it, and never missed a lick. It happened every time we played it, right there at that particular part. I mentioned that to him one day. He said he didn’t do it on purpose it was just something that happened. He said a first he didn’t’ t even realize he was doing that. But it was just something that was happening. Then he said, and now I know what is going to happen when we get to that part, that is the only difference now. He really loved to play that tune.Now we had a three-piece band, any errors on our part really show up big. We had the best drummer I’ve had the pleasure to jam with. He is still alive, but haven't seen him in a long time. Somehow we always seemed to pull it off, no matter what, with exception to one time. We had only one bad night as far as the crowd went. (we did have other moments though, later for that stuff) That drummer set us up to play a this dumpy Country Western dive, with bad acoustics, that sound just bounced from wall to wall and sounded bad, we tried turning it up to over power the bouncing sound waves. It didn’t work, it was just louder. After our 10th song or so we took a break, packed up our stuff, said thank you and left. These were country western people; they didn’t want to hear us even if we could get the sound set right. I teased that drummer for quite awhile after that, about his agent skills.FoM you, this place, and the Toronto concert were instrumental in returning my thoughts to those wonderful moments in time. So I just thought I would share them with you.Thank you for this place.Long Time Gonehttp://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Crosby-Stills-Nash-Young/Long-Time-Gone.html
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 12:41:07 PT
Had Enough
When I said the big Mike I realized you didn't see the Mike. I don't know if that is how you spell it but they were in Rust Never Sleeps from way back when. So was the Star Spangled Banner. Maybe it was a connect the dots thing for Neil. That's what I think. Here's a picture.PS: I think they were looking for people smuggling beer into the venue. I saw plenty of people smoking. They make big bucks on beer sales. I think it was $7.00 a beer! http://rustedsister.smugmug.com/gallery/1640455/3/80198505
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Comment #85 posted by whig on October 22, 2006 at 12:16:53 PT
Had Enough
Searches are practically required when contraband is expected to be present, I can say this as a former event promoter. It wasn't a matter of wanting to invade anyone's privacy or even prevent people from finding creative ways of getting around this, but to exercise what could be considered due diligence to protect myself and my crew from criminal liability for the presence of such things at our event. That was how it was in Pittsburgh when I lived there, anyhow. Where the environment is more relaxed, like San Francisco, and where people largely have a legal right to possess cannabis as a state-recognized medicine, there is hopefully no need for this nonsense.
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 11:11:25 PT
Had Enough
The Star Spangled Banner was like what was in Rust Never Sleeps to me. We have that concert on DVD. The big mikes were in RNS too.
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Comment #83 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 10:25:41 PT
Search Me???
Being frisked to enter a music concert is repulsive at best.I would like to say to them, “Keep Your Hands to Yourself”, but you must sometimes go with the flow. This needs fixed. Metal & Explosive Detectors that you walk through would be sufficient. But they aren't really just focusing on that, are they?I have a similar belly too. I worked long and hard for it. Now the time has come to lose it after all that work.
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Comment #82 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 10:13:23 PT
Tributes
TributesThat tribute to Jimmy Hendrix was astounding. Must have had something to do with Woodstock :-) As well as the Bob Dylan stuff. The melody for “Roger and Out” sounds like Heavens Door.Cool, Coooll, Coooolllll.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on October 22, 2006 at 10:04:13 PT
Had Enough
I am so glad you liked it. I'm listening to it again now. It helps keep my mind on what is important. I don't want to lose sight of what needs to be fixed in our country and we know a lot has to be fixed. The recording is a boot so that probably is why it sounds a little tinny to me but it still is great. I must tell you something funny. We we went into the concert in Pittsburgh I didn't have any trouble getting searched but my sweet husband has a little cute belly! LOL! They made him lift his shirt and turn around and it was so funny to see. I'll never forget my husbands tummy being seen before God and everyone.
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Comment #80 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 10:02:40 PT
Re: 78
God has truly blessed them.
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Comment #79 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2006 at 09:54:06 PT
“If I could Turn Back Time”
maybe we are???Excellent. It was just as I suspected it would be. It meets all expectations, sounded just like I knew it would. And you can believe this; I‘m very critical when it comes to my tunes. The recording microphones should have been placed better, but who knows, maybe that was the only place they could set them, or maybe they couldn’t get to them for better placement after the concert started. I have a separate analog volume control on the sub woofer, and with the equalizer, I was able to tweak it pretty good. I played it Friday night all the way through, and again last night. I cranked it up and sat outside about 20 feet from the speakers, sounded really good.The sound of those guitars plugged into those Fender tube amps is a sound to behold. The sound of the 60’s. And that bass player, Rick Rosas, with his Fender Precision Bass, plugged into that Ampeg “tube amplifier”, is another sound to behold. Not a million notes per second, just good solid bottom end sounds, in tune with the drummer, forming the foundation for those guitars and vocals to crank. Any musician can appreciate this.The only way I could have enjoyed it more was if I was there. Military Madness & Ohio drew tears, and the rest gave me goose bumps and chills running through me. Long Time Gone is special to me too, it also drew tears. The last band I was in, we played that song. The guitar player (now deceased) really liked that tune, and sang and played it well. He just loved to “speak out against the madness”, and was an exceptional musician. He would have loved to hear this Toronto gig. A friend and I have some recordings of us playing that tune and others. Speaking of which, I think I will dig them out. It’s been a “Long Time Gone” since I’ve heard them.Long after Alzheimer’s sets in on us God forbid, You, Stick, afterburner, and that young couple you took with you, sure will remember your night there. We might not remember our names, but will remember this music. :-)This music and its message need to be heard far and wide.I had meant to respond sooner, but that Daily Grind keeps interfering with me, and I saw you had your hands full on another thread, so I waited till today.Thank you Neil Young for your creative energy, and making this happen.Thank You Don Imus, for playing the first couple of lines from Looking for a Leader while interviewing Rick Santorum, on that early morning. (Shortly thereafter, I had a copy of LWW in my hands.)And thank you FoM.If we can ever have our “Victory Jam” for cannabis, look out, you are going to get the biggest ‘Bear Hug, you’ve ever had. Stick will have to use a big stick (I’m thinkin 2 x 4, ouch!!!) to pry us apart. LOL!!!
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on October 21, 2006 at 11:13:54 PT
Had Enough
Today and tomorrow is the Bridge Street Benefit Concert. I thought you might like to see the pictures. The young man in the wheelchair is Neil and Pegi's son. His name is Ben.http://www.bridgeschool.org/events2.html
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on October 20, 2006 at 13:50:19 PT
Had Enough
Oh it will be good! Let me know what you think after you get to hear it. So many of the songs hit home in one way or the other. Some make you smile and others make you determined I believe.
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Comment #76 posted by Had Enough on October 20, 2006 at 13:23:13 PT
FoM re: 75
33 out of 35 downloaded, I might make it."Daily Grind" keeps dragging me away.The sound might be a little out, but I can fix that with the Equalizer for the most part.I got a feeling this is going to be good.Thanks Again.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on October 20, 2006 at 06:35:24 PT
Had Enough
I know you will love this concert. It is wonderful music with a timely message. It really is Deja Vu all over again.
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Comment #74 posted by Had Enough on October 20, 2006 at 06:08:40 PT
re: FoM #46
Daily grind interfering with priorities. :-)Got 23 of 35 so far. All day yesterday I was coming and going, today will be the same. I click on the tune to download, and then see if it worked when I get back. If so I move on to the next one. I have only heard bits and pieces of what I have so far. But I think they will be downloaded for my Friday Night Tunes for the neighbors.Thank you again; I really, really wanted to hear theses tunes played live. I just love LIVE MUSIC; it’s the real McCoy.http://www.4waysite.com/download/mp3.html
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Comment #73 posted by mayan on October 20, 2006 at 05:29:01 PT
Rumsfeld
They can't fire him because he's on a mission from God! Didn't you guys know that? Jeesh!Top US general says Rumsfeld is inspired by God:
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fafp%2F20061019%2Fpl_afp%2Fusmilitarypolitics_061019193550
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Comment #72 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 16:46:38 PT
Toker00
Rumsfeld cannot be fired, he is inner circle. They come out together.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 15:11:32 PT
Toker00
This war in Iraq will be the downfall of our country if it doesn't stop soon. We are making people in the world very angry and many of the countries have lots of soldiers. What if many countries turned their back on us and aligned themselves with countries who now hate us? It's not a pretty picture.Thanks about LWW Raw. I do love Neil Young and also now Crosby, Stills and Nash.
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Comment #70 posted by Toker00 on October 19, 2006 at 15:04:47 PT
FoM
About the Iraq article, they should now fire Rumsfeld.That is just very very cool about the release date of LWW-2. That tied in right nice for someone who appreciates Neil and the gang so much. Toke.
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 14:48:27 PT
Whig
Thank you. I am looking forward to the new Limited Edition. If Neil's health holds up I bet he campaigns for whoever is going to run in 08 for President. I would love the Democratic Convention in 08 to be in Chicago and then they could make that a theme song again but without the violence I would hope.http://www.4waysite.com/download/mp3/csny2006/31%204waysite.com%20Chicago.mp3
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Comment #68 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 14:40:04 PT
FoM
Excellent news on LWW Raw.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 13:54:29 PT
Living With War Raw
One more article.http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=174244
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 13:49:58 PT
Museman
I am so excited again. This new LWW Raw will be released on my son's birthday.Young Remixes, Shoots Videos For Latest Album
October 19, 2006Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.Neil Young has remixed his 2006 Reprise album "Living With War" and will re-release the set Nov. 7 via iTunes and Dec. 19 via traditional retailers. According to a spokesperson, the new mix more accurately reflects the live-in-studio performances by Young, bassist Rick Rosas and drummer Chad Cromwell.For the physical package, Young has directed videos for every track on the album, which will be included on a bonus DVD. The clips encompass footage from the Iraq war, U.S. anti-war demonstrations and the Al Gore documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."Four of the videos, "After the Garden," "Families," "Lookin' for a Leader" and "America the Beautiful," will be available from iTunes the same day as the digital version of "Living With War -- Raw."Next month will also see the first release in Young's long-planned "Archives Performance" series, the CD/DVD "Live at the Fillmore East," taped in 1970 at the New York venue.
As previously reported, Young will be in action this weekend as he hosts the 20th Bridge School Benefit outside San Francisco. Also on the bill are Pearl Jam, Trent Reznor, Brian Wilson, Death Cab For Cutie and Foo Fighters, among others. URL: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003285443
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 13:14:43 PT
Off Topic: On The Invasion of Iraq
US Army Concedes Failure in Baghdad***By Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington and Steve Negus, Iraq CorrespondentPublished: October 19 2006American and Iraqi efforts to improve security in Baghdad have failed to reduce bloodshed in the increasingly violent Iraqi capital, the senior US military spokesman in Iraq acknowledged on Thursday.In an uncharacteristically gloomy admission, Major General William Caldwell said the recent surge in violence was “disheartening”. He said US and Iraqi forces would have to “refocus” security measures. The review was demanded by General George Casey, who commands the 140,000 US troops in Iraq.URL: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/5240e35e-5f99-11db-a011-0000779e2340.html
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 12:00:32 PT
Museman
When Stephen Stills sang Old Man Trouble it blew me away. He got down on that piano. Bless his heart.
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 11:58:15 PT
Museman
That makes me happy. What a wonderful concert it was. After it was over I felt lost. Now hearing it all again reminds me how important this tour was. I didn't get happy from seeing this tour but a lot of righteous indignation has been building. I love Neil and now Crosby, Stills and Nash. I am so glad I was able to see the four of them together.
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Comment #62 posted by Museman on October 19, 2006 at 11:19:52 PT
FoM #44
Sister, you made my day!
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Comment #61 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 11:05:43 PT
Cross-pollination
Between yeast and the tree of life.
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Comment #60 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 11:02:31 PT
Edgar
I'm pretty sure my little starter was named for Ed Rosenthal.My wife is excited too.
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Comment #59 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 10:57:18 PT
Hope
Thank you. I plan to keep it relatively simple for the first batch and if it doesn't turn out, I won't have invested more in it than I needed to. Once I can make bread, I'll try splitting off with different grains and see how well it adapts. And eventually, especially if it's good bread, I will be able to say to people who want a little starter that they can have this piece, and take good care of it and feed their families too.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 07:31:09 PT
Hope
I am glad that MSNBC let him speak his mind. They got rid of Jesse Ventura when he did that.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on October 19, 2006 at 07:27:31 PT
gloovins
Thank you. Vexation of the spirit is a waste of time. How can people change the world if they are always down in the dumps is the way I look at it all. I am hoping that my state elects Democrats because I know they will help the poorer folks that need help in our depressed economy in my state. I see how people I know have been crushed by big business.
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on October 19, 2006 at 07:21:35 PT
Whig
Making bread usually requires it not turning out so well the first time or two. If you stay at it though, you can make bread...good bread.
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on October 19, 2006 at 07:13:57 PT
Comment 41
I thought the same thing.
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Comment #54 posted by gloovins on October 19, 2006 at 04:13:40 PT
a little OT but related somewhat
During all this political rhetoric come Nov, I just say vote Libertarian & at least you can say you're not part of the problem (the duopoly) ... w/ that I believe in All You needing is L-O-V-E & Musica...so I'll leave you w/ that & a hope & prayer to the universal high-spirit force for the cannabis reform laws this Nov. In NEV, COLO, MONTANA & the cities as well...Peace & loveGloovinsVexation of spirit is a waste of time, Negative thinking, don't you waste your thoughts Verbal conflict is a waste of word, Physical conflict is a waste of flesh, People will always be who they want, And thats what really makes the world go round, Unconditional love is scarce. Bless -- Damien Marley
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Comment #53 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 01:07:43 PT
And so...
We are now creator Gods if we want to be. Edgar is not the first or the last, just my first. There are many sourdough colonies out there, each tenderly cared for by someone, and given in small quantities to one another for bread-making and cross-breeding.My special herbs and spices might make a difference.
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Comment #52 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 00:44:36 PT
Because I'm funny that way sometimes
I'm going to call my little yeast colony my son, and name him Edgar. I don't know why Edgar, that's just the name I felt. So I said it, and there it is, and I hope he lives to be a thousand or more.
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Comment #51 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 00:40:47 PT
Recipe
I used a little honey and oil too, because they emulsify together and can help the yeast to get full nutrition -- I hope. This is really cool, making bread literally from scratch and trying out your own recipe. It works or it doesn't.
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Comment #50 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 00:38:13 PT
Oh my
I hope I don't get ants. Do you think putting a little yeast to rise with flour the ants would be attracted? I'll have to check it in the morning to make sure it's not a problem.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on October 19, 2006 at 00:34:25 PT
Sourdough recipe
http://www.io.com/~sjohn/sour.htmI figure there should be some good culture in the air out here in San Francisco. Doncha think?
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on October 18, 2006 at 22:46:36 PT
Oops, Left One Out
Democracy Under Attack in the U.S. - OhmyNews International.
[Opinion] New law passed by Congress reminiscent of Hitler's Enabling Act
by
Ronda Hauben (netizen2).
Published 2006-10-04 07:16 (KST).
"The U.S. Congress has just passed a law that fundamentally changes the rights and protections afforded people under the U.S. Constitution. The law is called the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (S.3930)."Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he knew the law violated the Constitution, as did others. That didn't stop them from voting for it. What is the significance of this new law?"Essentially, it provides legal cover for the executive branch of government to violate the rights of the people in the U.S. The law says that if the government suspects that someone is an enemy of the U.S. or gives material aid to someone who is an enemy, that person can be taken into custody and held indefinitely with no way of challenging his or her detention."
more...
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=321074&rel_no=1
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Comment #47 posted by afterburner on October 18, 2006 at 22:36:50 PT
mayan 22: more OT
Bush signs law authorizing harsh interrogation By Steve Holland.
Tue Oct 17, 4:59 PM ET.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush signed a law on Tuesday allowing tough CIA interrogation and military trials for terrorism suspects, triggering bitter election-year denunciations from Democrats.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061017/pl_nm/security_bush_dc_5[House of Representatives Roll Call:] Final Vote Results for Roll Call 491 -- HR 6166 -- Military Commissions Act
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xml[Senate Roll Call:]
GovTrack: S. 3930: Military Commissions Act of 2006
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-259
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 22:04:11 PT
Had Enough
You're welcome. I hope you get many or all of them downloaded. Good Luck!
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Comment #45 posted by Had Enough on October 18, 2006 at 21:53:39 PT
re: 44 (not just the Amendment :-) )
Thanks FoM. I checked it out. I like them all. Before I call it quits for the night, I will attempt to download as many as I can, and see what I have just about when the rosters start crowing in the morning. After that I try to get the rest. Cool! Thanks again.Colorado/Nevada citizens: Help vote to end this insane cannabis prohibition on Nov 7, or forever hold your peace.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 21:27:05 PT
Had Enough
I wanted you to see this link. It's the live performance of CSNY in Toronto. I have the songs downloaded and on a CD and have been playing them most of the day. Almost all the songs are good. When I turned up the bass and turned down the treble I could turn up the volume and it was like I was back at the concert in Pittsburgh. If you can only download one of the songs because of time I really love Southbound Train.http://www.4waysite.com/download/mp3.html
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 21:16:26 PT
Had Enough
A clean win is what we need. I am hopeful about changing our direction at least a little this election day. I hope all the Initiatives pass. My state needs help really badly and maybe we will get it this November. We had a house that we have had for about 20 years. It hasn't been occupied for years and the insurance company said because it was vacant the premium would go up 500%. We sold it.
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Comment #42 posted by Had Enough on October 18, 2006 at 21:11:31 PT
re: 35
Our insurance went way up, coverage went way down. Big corp does it again.A clean win. Yes, a clean win is what we need.YesYes on Amendment 44!!!Yes on Question 7!!!Voters of Colorado/Nevada, history is in your hands. Push that button. Go for it. Just do it.VOTE! VOTE!! VOTE!!! Take a Friend with you, share the ride. Enjoy the trip.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 20:11:41 PT
dongenero
I'm glad you saw it. It was really good. I actually can't believe they let him say it and live too.
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Comment #40 posted by dongenero on October 18, 2006 at 20:03:17 PT
FoM #25
I saw that Keith Olbermann commentary tonight FoM. It was fantastic! Talk about saying what needs to be said...it was awesome.I had read his blog before but, my wife and I have just begun watching his program in the evening. He has a couple of new fans.
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Comment #39 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:59:57 PT
I'm an idiot
The yeast is the fishes. Okay, this will be fun.
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Comment #38 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:47:43 PT
Blessed are the cheesemakers
Just had to be said. Monty Python fans in the house, represent.
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Comment #37 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:42:59 PT
This isn't Passover
Don't forget to leaven the bread. This won't be the bread of affliction anymore.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:35:49 PT
Here's the recipe
Feed the yeast.Bake the bread.Serve the bread.Eat the bread.Get it?
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 18:34:51 PT
A Clean Win
That's what we need. The one young man that is working on our house had his basement wall collapse. This is a family home that they have been paying insurance on for over 20 years. As far as I know they have never put in a claim. When the insurance adjuster came to the house he canceled their insurance. That's it. Something is really wrong with how things are anymore.
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Comment #34 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:34:50 PT
Genetic engineering
Did I mention that my medicine is made from yeast?
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Comment #33 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 18:33:29 PT
Hope
Fortunately, I think I've figured out the loaves part. I don't know what to do with the fishes yet.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 18:26:35 PT
A Clean Win
No arguing. No bickering. No keeping people from voting. and a result that we can kind of have confidence in.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 18:15:32 PT
Hope
That's why I am following some of the polls that are concerns in my state so closely. The words from LFAL are so true.We got to have a clean win to regain confidence.Looking For a Leader Lyrics***Yeah we've got our electionBut corruption has a chanceWe got to have a clean winTo regain confidenceAMERICA is beautifulBut she has an ugly sideWe're lookin' for a leaderIn this country far and wide
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 18:15:22 PT
We're being forced by a law
to get ready to use machines.
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Comment #29 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 18:13:44 PT
I don't ever want to have to hear anymore
about "hanging chads" and tampered with machines.A piece of paper is something substantial as well. I can see it. I can hold it. It is my vote and I bet all those volunteers do a pretty dang good job of counting them after the polls close.That's just what I think.And they're huge and they have big dark, bold printing on them.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 18:08:37 PT
Ballots
Our big paper ballots are about the size of a page of newspaper. Then you fold em and drop in a big box and everybody watches and witnesses. It's friendly, but it's solemn and serious. You get checked off a list as having voted.Then they count em and people would listen to the poll reports on radio and television.For some reason, most of my life that I've been aware of voting, I've always dreaded having to use a voting machine and now, apparently, I will have to.I know a little about cyberspace and too much of the wrong stuff about Diebold. I'm worried.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 18:02:30 PT
Hope
Paper and I'll even put my finger in ink to make sure it is fair. I want our country back.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 18:00:36 PT
Voting machines
I don't trust them.The large paper ballot is just dandy.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 17:58:46 PT
Oh My Keith Olbermann
I had tears in my eyes listening and watching Keith Olbermann tonight.Olbermann addresses the Military Commissions Act in a special comment.Beginning of the End of America: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on October 18, 2006 at 17:53:43 PT
in a one month period thousands of times
Comment 16. That would be me.:0)
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Comment #23 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 17:53:28 PT
mayan
Speaking of Blackwell and Ohio:http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3631The worst county for elections in the US, Cuyahoga Co. Ohio has taken another step into the realm of the absurd. The county wants to get their votes tabulated as quickly as possible and they apparently aren't worried as much about accuracy so they are using a new add-on device from Diebold that has never been used in an election and is not even complete with the federal inspection process yet. This device reads the data from the voting machine memory cards, six cards at a time in one minute. The county just has to get the totals out quickly; never mind the accuracy of those totals. / Massachusetts has still not settled on accessible voting machines. Three weeks from election day is too late to bring in new machines and train workers. The state, apparently, is also going to ignore HAVA and not require a new machine at each polling place….
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Comment #22 posted by mayan on October 18, 2006 at 17:46:19 PT
Wrong Again & Again & Again...
McCaffrey said he believes that if the measure passes, the committee will punish officers dealing with marijuana issues, which could in turn make public use of marijuana more widespread.Cannabis use goes down whenever and wherever cannabis laws are relaxed! We must call the liars on this every time. Marijuana Consumption Drops in U.K. Despite Liberalized Laws:
http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2006/marijuana-consumption-drops.htmlMeasure P will pass easily and the sky won't fall. The prohibitionists will be proved wrong once again. Don't they ever get tired of being wrong? I couldn't stand being wrong ALL of the time. I would probably learn to be right once in a while!When it passes, they should dedicate Measure P to Johnny Pee!!!FoM, Blackwell is up to his old tricks again...ACTION ALERT: Blackwell purged Ohio Voter Rolls Oct 1st - Vote Early:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/18/85915/109It's time for the pre-election "BOOGA-BOOGA" to begin...Dirty bomb threats target NFL stadiums:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Dirty_bomb_threats_target_NFL_stadiums_1018.htmlWith the Republicans and their "war on terror" poised to collapse, just who would benefit?THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...The PROMIS of 9/11 and Beyond:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1322.shtmlAccess Hollywood Covers Charlie Sheen (short video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOi7pTW5Sn0Well-Timed Scandal Implication Pushing 9/11 Able-Danger Whistle Blower Weldon Out of House:
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/181006_weldon.htmlWTC Collapse Conference - UC Berkeley - 11/11/2006:
http://911blogger.com/node/3853Steven Jones to speak at Project Censored Conference - November 3rd & 4th - Sonoma State University:
http://www.projectcensored.org/conference.htm
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 17:30:55 PT
Dutch MS Patient Allowed To Grow Pot
This is a subscription and a snipped source article.October 18, 2006THE HAGUE - A Dutch appeals court on Tuesday handed down a landmark ruling allowing an MS patient to grow cannabis for his personal use to alleviate the symptoms of his illness. http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=79859b88-e287-421f-8539-9494691cc575
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Comment #20 posted by global_warming on October 18, 2006 at 17:08:58 PT
seems enough
enough to end this bloody and senseless war on human beings who use cannabis.I have no pity for those who have placed their entire existence on the sole purpose of prosecuting or exterminating users of cannabis.
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Comment #19 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 16:35:14 PT
gw
According to Technorati, Cannabis News ranks 30,267 in the entire blogosphere, with 485 links from 93 blogs. By contrast, Cannablog ranks 200,876 with 37 links from 16 blogs.These may not be the statistics you want, but they seemed interesting enough to mention. Those rankings are out of approximately 55 million blogs.
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Comment #18 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 16:29:36 PT
Joe Citizen
Well explained and I agree with you. The racist police are being denied any excuses. Why do you think we have so many police? Do you think we have a lot of police because there is so much crime? No, there is crime where there are police, they are two sides of a coin. Increase one and the other follows, decrease one and the same goes.By ending cannabis prohibition, or even taking away the police enforcement powers with respect to the lower socioeconomic classes, we remove their necessity, they have to find new jobs. The police love prohibition for the most part, except when they get killed. At least marijuana users tend to be peaceful and don't threaten the police person's safety very much. Easy targets and a good way to keep yourself employed.Less prohibition, less crime, less police, less fear, less terror.
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Comment #17 posted by global_warming on October 18, 2006 at 16:26:50 PT
: in a one month period thousands of times
Thousands and thousands equal MillionsOf Citizens and VotersWho "will" take down this immoral placeThat "smirks" before Eternity.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 16:16:44 PT
global_warming
How do I measure big? Let's see. Since the stats aren't the same as they had been for years they are way harder for me to figure out but many articles are accessed in a one month period thousands of times. That's about the best I can do to explain.
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on October 18, 2006 at 16:01:58 PT
hey Fomme
How big are We'
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on October 18, 2006 at 15:50:24 PT
re: sailors and the soul in the Night
http://tinyurl.com/ym45yvI was a sailor, I was lost at sea
I was under the waves
Before love rescued me
I was a fighter, I could turn on a thread
Now I stand accused of the things Ive saidLove comes to town Im gonna jump that train
When love comes to town Im gonna catch that flame
Maybe I was wrong to ever let you down
But I did what I did before love came to townI used to make love under a red sunset
I was making promises I was soon to forget
She was pale as the lace of her wedding gown
But I left her standing before love came to townI ran into a juke joint when I heard a guitar scream
The notes were turning blue, I was dazing in a dream
As the music played I saw my life turn around
That was the day before love came to townWhen love comes to town Im gonna jump that train
When love comes to town Im gonna catch that flame
Maybe I was wrong to ever let you down
But I did what I did before love came to townI was there when they crucified my lord
I held the scabbard when the soldier drew his sword
I threw the dice when they pierced his side
But Ive seen love conquer the great divideWhen love comes to town Im gonna catch that train
When love comes to town Im gonna catch that flame
Maybe I was wrong to ever let you down
But I did what I did before love came to town
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 15:27:35 PT
Celaya
I think it's because we are big and spotted easily and then the papers that want can keep an eye on us. I'll delete the post. Thank you.
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Comment #12 posted by global_warming on October 18, 2006 at 15:22:38 PT
re: comment 9
JC I think you have nailed accurately, let Jim Pot Crow hang.I am not worrying about the children, It is my ass that can be brought before some comfortable magistrate.Yes on Colorado 44, Yes on Nevada Q7, and Yes and Yes.
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Comment #11 posted by Celaya on October 18, 2006 at 15:07:37 PT
FoM
I'm sorry about that. I've never run into that kind of problem before. If you need to delete my post, please feel free to do so.
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Comment #10 posted by observer on October 18, 2006 at 14:59:03 PT
What is the problem ?
Santa Barbara Mayor Marty Blum ...
What is the problem we’re trying to solve [with this measure]?” Blum said.This problem:
According to the new BJS report, “Drug Use and Dependence, State and Federal Prisoners, 2004,” 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses
A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot?, Paul Armentano, 10/18/2006
http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22296.shtml Santa Barbara Mayor Marty Blum ...
What is the problem we’re trying to solve [with this measure]?” Blum said.If people aren't jailed for cannabis now, then what's the big deal about simply bringing the law into line with reality? Of course, as I'm sure Mayor Marty Blum well knows, people are being jailed for no other reason than marijuana, and they are being jailed for pot in the U.S. in large and ever-increasing numbers. What is the problem with politicians trying a little honesty? Throw the bums out, says I.
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Comment #9 posted by JoeCitizen on October 18, 2006 at 13:24:41 PT
Whig - Police Discretion = Police Discrimination
When you read things like "Officers are also arguing that the measure is unnecessary because the SBPD already places very little emphasis on catching adults with small quantities of marijuana", what that really means is, Police only emphasize catching adults with small amounts of marijuana when THEY DON'T LIKE THEM. Your freedom and safety are then left up to the whim and caprice of any and every cop. Say the cop doesn't like you because of your race, your religion, the way your features look, the way you dress, the bumpersticker you have on your car, or any one of a hundred other reasons, real or imagined. All any cop has to do is say that he/she smelled a "strong odor of marijuana in the vicinity of the car" and that's a pull over, a search, maybe a bust. Discretionary laws like this are a big part of the Driving While Black phenomena. A cop can't pull you over for being black in the wrong part of town, but he can claim "probable cause" and pull you over for to search for pot any old time he wants.Bear in mind that most police officers have only a high school education, and that most departments screen out overly educated individuals because police beat work is so repetitive and boring that smart people tend to burn out on it. And that many people apply to the police academy because they love power, love wearing a uniform, and worship authority. How many of you want a poorly educated, power-crazy thug in a uniform to have unlimited discretion to pull you over? Me neither. That's why laws that restrict that ability are so important. Short of full legalization, these half-steps towards decriminalizing it are the best we can do.Joe Citizen
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 13:17:49 PT
Celaya
Do you know that is a required snipped source newspaper? I hope we don't get taken off line.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on October 18, 2006 at 13:16:26 PT
On the Spot: Dr. Abrams Responds
http://pub.ucsf.edu/today/print.php?news_id=200610173
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Comment #5 posted by whig on October 18, 2006 at 12:52:15 PT
Why do they keep saying this?
"Officers are also arguing that the measure is unnecessary because the SBPD already places very little emphasis on catching adults with small quantities of marijuana. McCaffrey also said the current citation for possessing small amounts of the plant is close to the price of a moving vehicle violation."If the measure just ratifies the current practice of the police anyhow, then there is no reason not to adopt it. If there is such a low emphasis on cannabis prosecution, then requiring there to be such a low emphasis should not bother the police one bit.
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Comment #4 posted by Nausicaa on October 18, 2006 at 12:13:02 PT
Why
"...which could in turn make public use of marijuana more widespread."Why is it that everytime a LEO talks about the dangers of legalizing the posession of cannabis, they always say that its usage will increase. Okay, so what if it increases? What negative social consequences does this increased usage breed? They never mention ANYTHING. They equate the very usage of cannabis as something negative. Furthermore, I find it laughable when they claim that posession of cannabis is already a minor offense making this measure unnecessary. If it's so unnecessary and meaningless, why to they feel the need to speak out against it?
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Comment #3 posted by billos on October 18, 2006 at 11:04:39 PT
Just amazing
How the LEO's act as if they are all PHd's....
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Comment #2 posted by paul armentano on October 18, 2006 at 09:17:24 PT
This year's "pot friendly" ballot initiatives
For a summary of this year's state and local "pot friendly" initiatives, please see my essay here:http://www.hightimes.com/ht/legal/content.php?bid=1421&aid=22ELECTION 2006 - Sowing the Seeds of Pot Reform
2006-09-15 >> legal category >> legal article By Paul Armentano While drug law reformers should not view the initiative process as the primary mechanism for enacting substantive legislative reform (that duty still belongs to state legislatures and Congress), there’s little doubt that voter initiatives have been a highly successful way for activists to amend and overturn some of America’s more egregious marijuana policies. ....This November, citizens at both the state and local level will once again have opportunities to vote directly for marijuana law reform, as more than a half dozen pot liberalization measures will appear on the 2006 ballot. Below is a summary of this fall’s most prominent ‘pot-friendly’ proposals.
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/legal/content.php?bid=1421&aid=22
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Comment #1 posted by paul armentano on October 18, 2006 at 09:13:45 PT
Don't forget about Montana
[Excerpt]http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/local/znews02.txtInitiative 2 would make marijuana lowest priority
By TRISTAN SCOTT of the MissoulianA ballot initiative that aims to make marijuana crimes the single lowest priority for Missoula County authorities - pegged below even jaywalking on the hierarchy of enforcement - has met heavy opposition from adversaries who argue the drug would become more available to young people.But proponents of the measure, dubbed Initiative 2, have accrued an authoritative advocate who recently showed his support in Missoula.Norm Stamper's credentials are impressive. A 34-year veteran police officer with a Ph.D. in behavioral psychology, Stamper served as chief of the Seattle Police Department from 1994 until 2000, ...Stamper is also plenty familiar with the nuts and bolts of Missoula's Initiative 2 because Washington voters passed a similar measure affecting Seattle's police department several years ago - Initiative 75.In Missoula, like Seattle, the measure strives to place increased emphasis on crimes that threaten people's lives and property and on other, more pressing drug issues. A clause in the measure leans on local law enforcement to make “citations, arrests, property seizures and prosecutions for adult marijuana offenses Missoula County's lowest law enforcement priority.”“It puts marijuana crimes on par with a minor traffic offense,” Stamper said.
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