Pot Amendment Deserves a 'No'

Pot Amendment Deserves a 'No'
Posted by CN Staff on October 08, 2006 at 06:36:03 PT
Source: Rocky Mountain News
Colorado -- There must be hundreds of things that sensible Coloradans believe would benefit this state, but surely one of them is not an infusion of more illegal drugs. Yet here we are, thanks to Amendment 44, poised as a state to vote on whether we should make it easier to get high on marijuana. It's an atrocious idea and deserves a resounding defeat.
Amendment 44 would legalize under state law the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana for adults who are 21 and older. But of course federal laws involving marijuana would remain in place. And it would still be illegal under a variety of statutes to buy or grow marijuana (except for medicinal use), so the only way someone could "legally" possess the substance would be by breaking other laws. That's the first problem with Amendment 44: It encourages people to enter the illicit drug market. But the bigger problem with the measure is that it is based on faulty premises. • It is simply not true, as the measure's advocates suggest, that law enforcement in this state devotes any significant amount of time or resources pursuing minor possession cases unrelated to serious crimes. • It is not true that Coloradans are being incarcerated or otherwise punished harshly for minor marijuana possession. Possession of under an ounce is already a petty offense. • It is not true that marijuana is a harmless alternative to alcohol. Alcohol is dangerous when abused, but marijuana can be dangerous, too. Too many people become psychologically addicted to its drug. Some users get into accidents or otherwise endanger themselves. Some become intrigued with harder, more addicting drugs and begin to experiment with them. Ah, but isn't the present ban on marijuana equivalent to a double standard given the many accidents, crimes and other social problems associated with alcohol, which is not only legal but widely sold and promoted? Maybe, but maybe not. We simply don't know what the social costs of marijuana would be if it were as widely used as alcohol - but we can be certain they'd be significant. Why would Colorado want to be the guinea pig in resolving this question? What bothers us as much as anything about Amendment 44 is the message it would send to teens, and the possible spike in marijuana use among them if it were to pass. The national trend in teen use of marijuana in recent years actually has been fairly encouraging. The war on drugs may be much ridiculed as a hopeless cause, but people do in fact respond to reasonable arguments about why they should stay sober. Even kids respond - which is extremely important since early drug use is the gravest warning sign of possible addiction problems to come. Passage of Amendment 44 would signal that voters in Colorado, despite the anti-drug messages they insist on being preached in schools, in fact do not believe there is much of a downside to marijuana use. And if there isn't, kids will reasonably wonder, why not check it out? We don't think there is a double standard in our position, but if there is then so be it. More drug use is not one of the many things that might improve this state.Note: Amendment 44 is bad policy.Source: Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)Published: October 8, 2006Copyright: 2006 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: Articles & Web Sites:Safer Choice Colorado Say No To Amendment 44 and Baiting Should Be Allowed To Choose 
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Comment #43 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 16:33:26 PT
It Is Time
It Is Our 'Place"FREEDOM and the End of CANNABIS PROHIBITIONIt is Time to embrace better "Understanding"Drink the Day and come to the NightWith a steady hand"
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Comment #42 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 16:10:56 PT
It Is A Chance
To grasp reality and the most simple decent human expectationGather and Be ReconciledOnly Time, keeps accurate counts
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Comment #41 posted by The GCW on October 09, 2006 at 15:56:40 PT
Want to help?
This is a letter to the Editor published in today's Summit Daily News, in the Summit County, Colorado area which includes Breckenridge, Frisco, Dillon, the Keystone, Breckenridge, Copper Mountain and Arapahoe Basin Ski areas etc.The letter includes a comment section, which is getting a lot of response. Anyone interested in adding a comment will help keep this letter getting attention, which may help get more support and expose the ignorance of cannabis prohibition. (I don't care for the unkindness that the comments sometimes include, though.)US CO: PUB LTE: Support Amendment 44 support cannabis (marijuana) legalization and Amendment 44 which is on the Nov. 7 election ballot. This is a chance for citizens who use or don't use cannabis to help change an ignorant anti-Christian law. It is a chance for parents and mothers to help protect children from prohibitionist society and its harms. It is a chance to guide police toward serving and protecting, rather than maintaining a misguided prohibition. It's a chance for true conservatives to stop government from unsuccessfully spending more money to control what people put in their bodies. It is a chance for DARE graduate students who've been lied to to speak out. It's a chance for Christians to acknowledge what it means when Christ God Our Father, indicates He created all the seed-bearing plants saying they are all good, on literally the very first page of the Bible (see Genesis 1:11-12 and 29-30). It's a time to stop caging and persecuting people for using what God says is good.---
(Also posted on the MAP archive )Note also, "US CO: My election picks"From Gary Lindstrom, Our State Representative.Note: Only the relevant issue is archived.Viewed at:
My election picks
Amendment 44: Marijuana: Vote yes. I was a police officer for many years and this will do no harm.
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Comment #40 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 15:41:27 PT
There Is Only "One" True Power
Hold it close to your breast.
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Comment #39 posted by unkat27 on October 09, 2006 at 15:35:07 PT
Power corrupts...
Give a stupid man with big muscles the job of enforcing law and order, and after everyone in the world becomes lawful, and he has nothing to do, he'll go out and start trouble, just so he won't feel like he's worthless. What he needs is the brains to see beyond his stupidity, but it's more fun playing than reading books.
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Comment #38 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 15:20:28 PT
Did you ever Imagine
That all this discussion about changing the laws about cannabis would come to this? The Narcotics Union of Police and the GRAMNET Police are putting up money and good time to defeat this effort from the "people", these officers of the law have pledged to serve and protect the civilian population who "pay" their paycheck.There is a clear conflict of interest, when the "people" gather to vote, to make a better world, should the vested interests of the servants whose sworn allegiance was only to serve and protect, manifest an agenda that opposes the "will" of the "people", I say NO, and I say Say "YES" to Amendment 44, in Colorado.
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Comment #37 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 15:05:13 PT
from the Safer Blog
More Fun With GRAMNETWe were curious about this group so we did a little research of our own recently. We found out two little fun facts:1. Apparently GRAMNET doesn't net too many grams...According to Indepence Institute researchers, GRAMNET is one of just three of the 18 state drug task forces that made more arrests for marijuana than for any other drug, including methamphetamine. This is despite the fact that meth is becoming more and more of a problem in the area.Even more embarrassing, according to this Steamboat Pilot article, GRAMNET would be better off buying marijuana to keep it off the streets than it would enforcing marijuana laws.They had a budget of $450,000, and they managed to round up 3,000 grams of marijuana. It's obviously not fair to suggest they spent all $450,000 on marijuana. But seeing as they only brought in 2,000 grams of cocaine and 2,000 grams of methamphetamine, it appears about 43 percent of the drugs they interdicted were marijuana. (This conforms to national statistics that show that state and local agencies generally spend about 46 percent of their budgets on marijuana.Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they spent just 25-30 percent of their budget on marijuana interdiction. That means they spent about $40 per gram, whereas the street price for high-grade marijuana is about $20 per gram!2. GRAMNET is not so popular around GRAM...We found countless articles about cities and towns wanting to pull their funds out of GRAMNET. In fact, the Town of Oak Creek did it, and when the county of Grand did it, the task force had to change it's name from "Grand" to "Greater" Routt and Moffatt County Drug Enforcement Team. Otherwise, they'd have had to drop the "G" altogether, in which case they'd have likely been confused for a pornography Web site. After all, they do screw a lot of people...Posted 12:46 AM by SAFER Choice Comment (1) | Trackback
GRAMNET Could Be in Deep Doo-DooA positive op-ed favoring Amendment 44 appeared in the Steamboat Pilot last week, in which the author questioned the tactics of the local drug task force, GRAMNET.  Well, I just don’t believe everything the DEA tells me anymore. I’m getting tired of being constantly lied to by federal agencies. The DEA and GRAMNET would like us to believe that they are protecting us and our children from the evil weed, marijuana. I just can’t buy this point of view.We at the campaign also question GRAMNET's tactics, which could possibly be illegal. As you might recall, GRAMNET is the same group of geniuses that sent out this letter that was printed in the Steamboat Pilot last week. Thus, we sent out this release on Friday:PRESS RELEASEFor Immediate Release -- Oct. 6, 2006Marijuana Initiative Committee Files Open Records Request to Determine Whether Drug Task Force Violated State Campaign LawsGRAMNET appears to have exceeded $50 limit on advocacy when coordinating, preparing, and distributing 8-page release urging a NO vote on Amendment 44DENVER - Today, the Alcohol-Marijuana Equalization Initiative Committee filed an open records request with the Greater Routt & Moffatt Narcotics Enforcement Team (GRAMNET) seeking information about how much the entity spent producing and distributing a release urging recipients to "use your constitutional right to vote" and to send a message with a "resounding NO to Amendment 44." If GRAMNET spent more than $50 coordinating, preparing, and distributing the release, it will have violated state law.The text of the open records request is pasted at the bottom of this E-mail.The Colorado Fair Campaign Practices Act (Colorado Revised Statutes 1-45-177) prohibits any state or local governmental entity from making any contribution to an issue committee advocating passage or defeat of a ballot initiative. There is an exception for very minimal expenditures. CRS 1-45-177(1)(a)(II) allows a government employee to make an expenditure of up to $50 in the form of letters, phone calls and similar activities expressing their opinion on a ballot initiative.On September 26, 2006, GRAMNET distributed an eight-page release to the media (and perhaps others). This release included a cover letter (which will soon be available on-line, or you can contact us for a copy) signed by eight individuals who appear to be the GRAMNET "team," along with seven additional pages described loosely as "The Truth About Marijuana." Every minute spent drafting the cover letter, drafting the seven pages of "truth," obtaining approval to include the signatures of the team members, determining the appropriate individuals to whom the release was distributed, and distributing the release itself, would all count toward the $50 threshold.There is solid court precedent to back up the marijuana initiative committee's claim that this activity is likely illegal. In a very similar situation, (See, Coffman v. Common Cause, 85 P.3d 551), the Colorado Supreme Court held that the state treasurer violated CRS 1-45-177 in the 2000 election by putting out three press releases against an initiative and having staff work on the press releases. The key holding in the case was that staff time was held to be an "in-kind" contribution."We anxiously await a response from GRAMNET detailing how much staff time was dedicated to producing and distributing this lengthy document," said SAFER Campaign Director Mason Tvert. "Putting together such extensive materials must have taken many, many hours. Based on the response to our records request - along with any other information we receive in the meantime about GRAMNET's involvement in the campaign - we will determine whether to bring this case before the Secretary of State."
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Comment #36 posted by global_warming on October 09, 2006 at 14:56:43 PT
re: c24
What do you mean?Suffering is a word that has a broad definition.My flesh is old and tired, yet my gaze holds fast the "promised land".
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Comment #35 posted by whig on October 09, 2006 at 10:55:11 PT
Peace can turn adversaries to friends.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on October 09, 2006 at 10:52:24 PT
Peace what a wonderful word. We do need to always try to remember Peace.
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Comment #33 posted by Dankhank on October 09, 2006 at 10:14:12 PT
stupid laws ...
the justafreak site contains a disclaimer stating that the information offered is not researched in law books, but gleanings from other websites and collected.Nevertheless, there likely is much truth to the claims.Over the years many of us have read news reports on a similar subject.No tomato in clam chowder, horseless buggy must be proceded in town after dark by a torchbearer warning of the approach of the noisy machine so as not to frighten horses, ugly peoply not to be on the streets on Sunday ... the list of stupidity went on and on around the country.Occaisionally a reporter somewhere would get a few chuckles from readers about these stupid laws.a stupid law story might get a response from the town legal apparatus, or not. Perhaps, sheepishly, a law would be invalidated as a result.NOWHERE, is there an account I have read to suggest that law enforcement itself would ask to have a law ended that was stupid, outdated or venal.Cops' jobs depend on having something to do. In that they are no different from anyone else.For these reasons I have been unequivicable in my position:Cops should not be allowed to offer opinions regarding the efficacy of a law. That is the job for data collection agencies that forment public policy. Why question people about the need for their own job? What do you expect them to say? LEAP may be an exception to this idea, but they are new on the horizon. I do like that they want to madness to stop.for the rest ... shut the f*ck up and go find some violent criminals, leave the peaceful alone. 
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on October 09, 2006 at 08:47:20 PT
Notify Dogs?
Had Enough that's funny.
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Comment #31 posted by Had Enough on October 09, 2006 at 08:29:48 PT
Denver·	The dog catcher must notify dogs of impounding by posting, for three consecutive days, a notice on a tree in the city park and along a public road running through said park.·	 ·	It is unlawful to lend your vacuum cleaner to your next-door neighbor. 
·	·	You may not drive a black car on Sundays. 
·	·	It is illegal to mistreat rats in Denver, Colorado.******************
·	Sterling·	Cats may not run loose without having been fit with a taillight.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on October 09, 2006 at 08:06:40 PT
I hope your health gets better soon. I'll say a little prayer.
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Comment #29 posted by unkat27 on October 09, 2006 at 08:02:47 PT
#27 posted by Hope
Yeah, that's my hope too.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on October 09, 2006 at 06:51:29 PT
Sinsemilla Jones 
Thank you for the link. I really appreciate Ron Bennett. He's a very good person and I consider him a friend. I hope someday to meet him if we ever go back home. 
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on October 09, 2006 at 06:15:16 PT
Hang in there, Man. Maybe they can get you fixed up without surgery. 
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Comment #26 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on October 09, 2006 at 03:01:15 PT
44 deserves a Yes! And so does Ron Bennett!
Ron's started a new Marihemp board, and of the 30 sub-forums listed on the main menu, only one is an outside link -The News sub-forum under Activism will take you to a little place called Cannabis News!
The New Marihemp Network Forums
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Comment #25 posted by afterburner on October 08, 2006 at 22:40:35 PT
Funny & Not Funny
Funny: goneposthole #20 & cannabliss #22Not Funny: CN SN: PUB LTE: Dopey Thinking Behind Cartoon On Medical Pot, The StarPhoenix, (07 Oct 2006)
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Comment #24 posted by whig on October 08, 2006 at 19:10:16 PT
Are you suffering?
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Comment #23 posted by Dankhank on October 08, 2006 at 18:01:02 PT
Bob Woodward
on Larry King, now ...
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Comment #22 posted by cannabliss on October 08, 2006 at 17:53:57 PT
Can't stay logically consistent for one sentence
"We simply don't know what the social costs of marijuana would be if it were as widely used as alcohol - but we can be certain they'd be significant. Why would Colorado want to be the guinea pig in resolving this question?"I don't know but I knowWhite is Black.Up is Down.Cannabis is dangerous and Alcohol is safe.Lying to kids makes them see the truth.By the way, the guinea pigs in the Netherlands are squeaking quite nicely. No reason for Coloradans to soil their panties.
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Comment #21 posted by goneposthole on October 08, 2006 at 17:18:48 PT
The link for stupid laws
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Comment #20 posted by goneposthole on October 08, 2006 at 17:09:32 PT
Rocky Mountain News supports stupid laws
Some stupid laws from the sage legislators in Colorado (sensible Coloradans):# One may not mutilate a rock in a state park. (Don't drive your truck on the gravel in that park)# Car dealers may not show cars on a Sunday.# It is illegal for liquor stores to sell food or grocery stores to sell any alcohol except beer that is at most 3.2% alcohol.# No liquor may be sold on Sundays or election days.# It is illegal to ride a horse while under the influence.# Tags may be ripped off of pillows and mattresses.Here's a real laugher:Cannabis may not be smoked at anytime, nor anywhere in Colorado.Drink all of the booze you can, anytime of day, except on Sundays and an election day. This election day, the only sensible thing to do is to drink. Politicians are drunk with power and casual sex. Laws prohibiting the use of cannabis are 'sensible.' Yeah, right. As if Coloradans are going to abide by a law prohibiting cannabis use or any of the stupid laws listed when politicians are making laughing stock of themselves everywhere you go. It's insane, senselessness is the norm.  Politicians have given plenty of evidence that proves it beyond all reasonable doubt.The Rocky Mountain News supports the stupidest law ever passed in Colorado or in any other state. Will wonders ever cease? Without a doubt, the only sensible thing to do is to smoke cannabis. Anything else is madness. Thank God for cannabis, the real relief for sensible people. Vote to legalize cannabis in Colorado. Don't pay any attention to the Rocky Mountain Snooze. They've taken leave of their senses.
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Comment #19 posted by potpal on October 08, 2006 at 16:49:27 PT
Thanks for the tip!
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Comment #18 posted by Dankhank on October 08, 2006 at 16:31:04 PT
HD is still shakin' out, but for sure it's coming CSI clones ...Slowing down to see if anyone is hurt at an accident is the same impulse that drives the facination in law n order shows.A desire to peek into the macabre with control.
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Comment #17 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 08, 2006 at 15:56:25 PT
I should also mention that in a few years the gov't wants to do away with the analog over-the-air broadcasts entirely, so that they can reclaim that section of the airwaves and sell it to some other company. New TVs often come with the digital tuners built in, and this is a few years away last I heard, but it seems inevitable...
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Comment #16 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 08, 2006 at 15:49:07 PT
Potpal - OT
I agree with your assessment of those cop shows. But I've recently learned that one can buy a standalone HDTV reciever and pull in digital channels... in my area I can get 2 perhaps 3 fuzzy stations over analog, but like 20+ with the digital. Sure, two are Spanish, several are infomercial-heavy, but I also get all the networks except CBS, four PBSs, NBC and ABC's weather channels, a channel of commercial-free music videos... you can get a decent idea of what you'll get by entering your zip code into the website below and selecting "digital only". The HDTV channels, if played back on a regular TV, are squeezed from the widescreen shape so everything's slightly tall and skinny, but as long as the box gets a strong enough signal, the picture and sound are clean and clear. The reciever can be had for $200 or less, and you just hook it up to an antenna and you're good to go, nothing to subscribe to. And I've read that the HD signals you get over the antenna actually look better than the ones delivered via cable.
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Comment #15 posted by potpal on October 08, 2006 at 14:58:46 PT
straight face test 
All you have to do here in Ocean City, Maryland, is to read the 'police blotter' that local rags like to print for public digestion. Pot consistently wins for number of hassles per week and here it be mostly teenagers having fun on their summer break. We have a saying here, 'come on vacation, leave on probation'.Which leads me to favorite rant of mine...I have been living with only the TV I can pull out of the air and thats not a whole lot here, 2 fuzzy stations, CBS and MPT(PBS). So I'm stuck with CBS a lot and it's weird. Mostly cop/detective/law shows, ugly violent opening scenes, forensic science, cold cases, young hollywood model type police men and sexy police women with banter that would be considered sexual harrassment in the real world, sick scenarios, bizarre made-up horrific crime reenactments, and all in the name of entertainment? What's with that? I can't switch 'em off fast enough but they be the hottest thing. There's like 3 different variations of CSI, I think. With so much wrong in this world, who would want to sit and watch made-up bs like this stuff? I always found it absurd that we 'pay' actors to act like elements of society that we wish didn't exist to begin with. What do we possibly gain from imitating these behaviours in a make believe world? Peace.
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on October 08, 2006 at 13:28:09 PT
Be Free
Forever in the Universe
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Comment #13 posted by global_warming on October 08, 2006 at 13:10:58 PT
there is Hope
and a "promised ZLandWhere Truth and JusticeRains from the Stars Infinite NightThe owner of this pride filled dayHold close and cherishYour most treasured memories When you wake AND "SEE"yOU CAN Join and BecomeFear Not There are times that are honed in the furnace of EternityVote Yes and Be Free
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Comment #12 posted by global_warming on October 08, 2006 at 12:24:41 PT
re: willful choice
I see red roses,And Happy People,Filled with Grace and Understanding.
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Comment #11 posted by global_warming on October 08, 2006 at 11:36:48 PT
"We should not wish the same on them, ", Why Not?For some seventy years on this calendar in the years of "the" carpenter, it is time.To vote Yes with pride and knowledge, that the old ways have failed, so miserably.It is time to change, them old boozing days are gone along with slavery and them good old boys.
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Comment #10 posted by whig on October 08, 2006 at 11:20:07 PT
I'm sorry to hear you aren't feeling well, and I hope it is nothing serious.If it is consolation to you, the prohibitionists are poisoning themselves too, and they are suffering. Their hatred is such that when they suffer they want to share their pain with others.We should not wish the same on them, but hope that they will one day seek the truth to preserve their own lives, and in so doing admit their errors, including those made by their own willful choice.
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Comment #9 posted by global_warming on October 08, 2006 at 10:41:25 PT
a YES vote means
Being able to use cannabis a SAFER recreational drug rather than alcohol.A YES vote means that ADULTS not children can use cannabis and no longer be arrested.A YES vote means that the people of Colorado are saying NO to Big Governments involvement in every aspect of living, a  YES vote is the First Step towards a true American Conservatism.A YES vote will strip away the immoral contempt that Law has for THE people.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on October 08, 2006 at 10:06:21 PT
A Question
I thought the Rocky Mountain News endorsed this Amendment.
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Comment #7 posted by observer on October 08, 2006 at 09:45:48 PT
straight face test - failed
It is simply not true... that law enforcement in this state devotes any significant amount of time or resources pursuing minor possession cases unrelated to serious crimes. It is not true that Coloradans are being incarcerated..[for] marijuana possession.Ok course people are being arrested and jailed for petty pot possession, or corrupted folks like the Rocky Mountain News editorial board would not bother to shout that the sky is falling. If people are not being jailed for pot now, then what's the problem with making the law say the same thing? These bozos don't pass the straight face test.
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Comment #6 posted by unkat27 on October 08, 2006 at 09:21:11 PT
A Vote for Safer Alternatives -- from my kid-neys
I finally paid a visit to a physician to check on the pains in my lower abdomen. He thinks its my kidney. I hope it isn't too serious. I don't want to undergo an operation and I don't want to lose it. Before he can be sure, I need to have ultra-sound scans. What bugs me most about this is I know that it is directly a result of my alcohol abuse in the past and that if cannabis had been accessible, I would not have abused alcohol so carelessly. But cannabis has never been easy to find, as it is illegal and the ever-vigilant federal DEA have made certain there is no safe or easy way to get it. I have turned to alcohol to treat my anxiety and depression because it was legal and there was no other legal option. I have used cannabis in the past to treat my anxiety and depression and I know it is a much better medicine, so if it were available instead of alcohol, I'm quite sure i would have used it rather than alcohol to alleviate my problems. But it was not available and so I had no other recourse but to turn to alcohol, and as a result, I may lose a kidney.I hate the prohibitionists for forcing people like me into life-threatening situations like this. Cannabis is a safer alternative, in many different ways. I am 200 percent sure of it. So are my kidneys. There is no more obvious substantial evidence than the harm alcohol causes the physical body. 
Problems of Illegal Cannabis Outweigh Legal Cannabis
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on October 08, 2006 at 08:34:42 PT
Yes it was very boring. I didn't pay much attention to what was said. Lots of words with not much meaning that I could see. Politicians sure know how to talk and talk about nothing. Wasting time seems to be how they wear down people.
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Comment #4 posted by billos on October 08, 2006 at 08:29:53 PT
I saw it too and surprisingly got bored with it after I realized that it was, after all, the same old babble.He sure has the speech down pat though, eh?
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on October 08, 2006 at 08:13:47 PT
About C-Span
I didn't find that anything that was said was any different then what is always said.
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Comment #2 posted by MikeEEEEE on October 08, 2006 at 07:53:24 PT
We simply don't know
This line from the article explains as lot. Not knowing has been the problem all along.They won't know until they try, and being afraid creates a great base for the lies and confusion.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on October 08, 2006 at 07:03:13 PT
C-Span: John Walters
It's on now!
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