cannabisnews.com: Top Lawman Debates Pot
Top Lawman Debates Pot
Posted by CN Staff on September 27, 2006 at 07:18:54 PT
By Vimal Patel, The Rocky Mountain Collegian
Source: Rocky Mountain Collegian
Denver -- Now's not the time to wave the "white flag" in the drug war - and if voters pass a statewide pot-legalization measure in November, that's exactly what will happen, the state's attorney general said Tuesday night."We know that marijuana use by adults leads to an increase in pot use by children," said Attorney General John Suthers at a debate with pot-legalization advocate Mason Tvert.
Suthers shot off statistics, saying 4.6 million Americans suffer from marijuana dependence, a quarter million were treated for marijuana use in 1999 and that 60 percent of kids cite drugs' illegality as the reason for not using them.This, Suthers said, shows Colorado voters should not tread down the path of legalization. Voters in November are set to vote on Amendment 44, a ballot measure that would legalize up to an ounce of pot for those aged 21 and older.Tvert, whose pot-legalization group - SAFER (Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation) - was behind last November's voter-approved Denver measure that legalized pot in the city, said people are going to use mind-altering substances.And if they do, SAFER's argument goes, they might as well use pot, which the group contends is far safer than legal alcohol."They want to live in the idealistic world," Tvert said of pot prohibitionists. "We want to live in the realistic world."Suthers dismissed this central claim of the group as "moral relativism."The debate, held in the Gates Concert Hall in the Newman Center for Performing Arts at the University of Denver, was sponsored by 9News and featured debates on several other ballot issues ranging from gay marriage to education.After all, he asked, should a polygamist who's in love with his wives be able to marry them? Or should brothers be allowed to marry sisters?"Marriage is the building block of society," he said. "It absolutely ought to be protected by the constitution."Crank, a CSU alumni, brought up the polygamist argument multiple times, leading his opponent to pounce. "Were I your pastor, I might want to know what that's about," said Phil Campbell, director of ministry studies at DU. "The love and commitment that my wife and I share is what strengthens my marriage."The back-and-forth between Suthers and Tvert was expected, however, as both men questioned each other's honesty and tactics. The pair have debated before, and for Suthers, it was a better experience this time around."He was more obnoxious (last time)," Suthers told the Collegian afterward. "I have met Mr. Tvert before so nothing surprises me."When not lobbing attacks against each other, one point of debate was the so-called gateway theory, which states that pot use leads to the use of harder drugs.Suthers said those who use pot at an early age are likely to become addicted to harder drugs.Tvert agreed, kind of."The people who are more likely to use marijuana are more likely to use other drugs," he said. "It makes sense."But one reason this is the case, he said, is because the government has forced marijuana users to buy their drug in places where harder drugs are available - something that could be eliminated if pot is regulated."It's the 'illegal' status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug," Tvert said. "When you go to a liquor store, you can't buy cocaine."Note: The attorney general and the campaign director of SAFER go head-to-head at DU.Source: Rocky Mountain Collegian, The (CO Edu)Author: Vimal Patel of the Rocky Mountain Collegian Published: September 27, 2006Copyright: 2006 Rocky Mountain CollegianContact: news collegian.comWebsite: http://www.collegian.com/ Related Articles & Web Sites:Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/Safer Coloradohttp://www.safercolorado.org/Pot Initiative Booster Tvert: Reach for Your Beerhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22207.shtmlSmokin' Debate on Pot Issuehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22206.shtmlFoes, Supporters Spar on Amendment 44http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22194.shtml
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Comment #60 posted by FatherInya on September 30, 2006 at 08:41:39 PT
Top lawman is an idiot
"We know that marijuana use by adults leads to an increase in pot use by children," said Attorney General John SuthersJust another shithead government lackey saying anything he wants to and expecting people to assume it's true. When will this country wake up and demand that government stop lying to suit themselves?
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Comment #59 posted by whig on September 28, 2006 at 16:07:45 PT
afterburner
"God is on our side? When we lie? The Deceiver is Satan, NOT God!"Very good and true words. When we lie we are not standing with God but against God. We become the Deceiver, and in our own divine aspect we become part of Satan.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 28, 2006 at 13:37:44 PT
afterburner
That was a very good comment.
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Comment #57 posted by global_warming on September 28, 2006 at 11:38:51 PT
to Mason
Hang in, I would Love to buy you Lunch,When this filthy and ignorant disgrace against Cannabis Use is buried and dead, when Truth and Justice can truly steer the 'righteous towards everlasting peace.
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Comment #56 posted by global_warming on September 28, 2006 at 11:12:10 PT
re: comment 16
AG Suthers may be a moral absolutionist, the point of my argument is, All Law, that has been handed "down" from the ancient past, has, at its roots in Truth and Sovereignty with God, since God has made this World, and not any of us.I can dismiss childish clowns like suthers, souder, and marsh, I can hear their moral indignation, they can sit around, ready to press the button of destruction.That button is not yours to press, certainly not with your confused "hand", consider your place, as a dweller on this green planet.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on September 28, 2006 at 10:59:28 PT
Whig
No I don't think so. As a person or a country starts to slide morally they go down in little tiny steps so no one notices.
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Comment #54 posted by whig on September 28, 2006 at 10:41:35 PT
FoM
If they will torture people won't we be among the first they will want to treat to their tender mercies?
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on September 28, 2006 at 09:54:43 PT
A lot of the people I'm around regularly
are Republicans. They've begun to truly horrify me.
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on September 28, 2006 at 09:21:38 PT
Hope
This is why I believe that torture will be allowed. With a one world order well on it's way we will be absorbed into the whole scheme of things. The next generation might not ever know what owning a home was like for people as an example. World wages will equalize so that means we will get less money as far as buying power goes. I look at the math in my mind and that's what I see. Torture, slave wages, no concern for people and rights, and more.
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on September 28, 2006 at 08:49:41 PT
Torture Bill
The traitors are within the system. They are hell bent on destroying this country and everything it was supposed to be. It's sickening.Why are we following the lead of lesser...of third world countries? Countries that torture and subjugate the common power to the will of the wealthy and the corporations? Why are they choosing a path to destruction over valor, honor, and higher standards of behavior that this country used to aspire to?It's sickening. There are more traitors within the government to what America is supposed to be than there are good patriots. It's sickening.
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Comment #50 posted by BGreen on September 28, 2006 at 08:32:56 PT
Rep. Roy Blunt, R MO is a phony christian
I don't have a lot of close friends, but I've had a couple of friends since high school (29 years ... OMG!!!) and one of them had Rep. Roy Blunt as her Sunday School teacher, teaching her all about the loving, caring, forgiving and compassionate Lord and Savior.Rep. Roy Blunt then went on to become the President of Southwest Baptist University in Bolivar, MO.Now, Rep. Roy Blunt has embraced lies, torture, vengeance, murder and violence against children and is looting our treasury to accomplish these goals.What happened to this former Sunday School teacher and Bible college president?My fear and unfortunately my belief is that most so-called christians emulate Rep. Roy Blunt more than the Holy God they falsely claim to worship.I'm so stinking embarrassed to live amongst people who have repeatedly voted Rep. Roy Blunt to congress, and then were brain dead enough to elect his equally incompetent phony christian son to be our governor!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on September 28, 2006 at 07:22:14 PT
Modesto Medical Marijuana Dispensary Raided
Video: http://www.kcra.com/news/9950132/detail.html
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Comment #48 posted by mayan on September 28, 2006 at 06:33:02 PT
Whig, Freewillks
Whig, our troops who get captured in battle are now in great danger of being tortured as the fascists in the house have just told the whole world that it is alright to sexually assault and torture! If I was in the U.S. military I would be AWOL, pronto!Freewillks, it only stands to reason that the huge sums of money spent enforcing cannabis laws could be much better spent protecting children and adults alike from violent criminals.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on September 28, 2006 at 06:25:55 PT
whig
I really don't need to be told about how anyone in my state is voting. I am voting against Republicans and it's Brown or DeWine. I am not into politics and really don't care to know.
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Comment #46 posted by freewillks on September 28, 2006 at 05:55:42 PT
I hate to say it,
I hate to say it, Inlight of the horiable crime that took place just south of Denver. This should be Suthers focus not some group of peacefull pot smokers. We need to hear Suthers explain why some guy, who more than likely has been let out of jail for violent crimes to make room for peacefull drug users, can walk in to a school and rape our children in broad daylight. I am sick to my stomache just thinking about it. Some protecting of the children he has done. Good job Mr. Suthers not a one of those kids will ever forget what you have done for them. I need to take a walk.
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Comment #45 posted by whig on September 28, 2006 at 02:48:05 PT
FoM
Bad news for your election in Ohio.Sherrod Brown voted for torture.http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xmlIt passed the House of Representatives. Most Democrats voted against it 160-34. Republicans voted in favor 219-7.This is George Bush's interrogation and detention bill.
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Comment #44 posted by whig on September 28, 2006 at 02:25:27 PT
lombar
Way to go!
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Comment #43 posted by lombar on September 28, 2006 at 01:46:03 PT
If I may..
I posted the letters to my blog. I am going to try and make at least one entry every day.
Joe Citizen vs. City Hall
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Comment #42 posted by whig on September 27, 2006 at 23:43:10 PT
FoM
Trackback: http://tinyurl.com/gd34b
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Comment #41 posted by lombar on September 27, 2006 at 22:53:06 PT
Another Letter
Another letter in the same paper, I am not making any friends in their police dept.. The editor must like my opinions. I bet the councillor is not that happy with it. I basically said he passed the buck and that the police who he wants to hire is the biggest(only besides CPC) lobby against legalization because its light work and job security... they printed it!
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Comment #40 posted by lombar on September 27, 2006 at 22:32:25 PT
This article is fairly detailed
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Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with: * Racism
* Fear
* Protection of Corporate Profits
* Yellow Journalism
* Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
* Personal Career Advancement and GreedThese are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal.
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Why is Marijuana Illegal?
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Comment #39 posted by afterburner on September 27, 2006 at 22:04:06 PT
FoM & Hope
It's like a Zen koan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan :What is the sound of one hand clapping?Its purpose is to make people think outside the box.Why was cannabis medicine banned?"It's illegal because it's illegal." Circular reasoning.It makes you "crazy and violent." Hearst propaganda.Was there a good reason? If not, why do the authorities fight so hard to maintain prohibition?The War on Iraq was started for false reasons, but "we must stay the course." So reads the government propaganda. We can't be flip-floppers. Again, Moral Absolutism (Might makes right). God is on our side? When we lie? The Deceiver is Satan, NOT God!I write "Why was cannabis medicine banned?" to challenge the lurkers and the prohibitionists. Google it. Research it. Find out the truth. Check Jack Herer http://www.jackherer.com/ .
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 21:25:43 PT
afterburner
I don't think I can answer your question because I don't know the answer.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 21:23:14 PT
Hope
I felt very bad for her and her son. It was very tragic and something a mother will never forget and that is so sad.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 21:19:42 PT
Hope
It was amazing to see. I was talking to the young man who went with us and and his wife still can't say enough about the experience he said. He said she tells everyone she sees how wonderful it was. Once you see something work you know it can be done. It upsets me when all we are told about is the boogey man is gonna get us. Watch out for everything. I don't like living in the fear that they work so hard to have us live in. I really have tuned out.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 21:16:56 PT
Afterburner
"Why was cannabis medicine banned?"You can probably answer that question very well!
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 21:15:30 PT
Oh
I always felt sorry for that boy. Now this. I'm sad for him and her.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 21:12:55 PT
Cannabis Hasn't Killed Anyone
They finally said what killed Daniel Smith. It was LEGAL prescription drugs.SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Anna Nicole Smith's 20-year-old son died from a lethal combination of a drug that treats heroin addiction -- methadone -- and two antidepressants: Zoloft and Lexapro.http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=5468247Why is Cannabis illegal? It helps with pain and depression and doesn't kill.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 21:12:51 PT
Comment 30 "We can do it. I saw it happen."
For sure, we can!
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Comment #31 posted by afterburner on September 27, 2006 at 20:40:06 PT
RE Moral Absolutism
Where is the absolute moral authority to prohibit cannabis medicine and food? God made it and blessed it. Who, then, is the moral authority to prohibit people from enjoying God's blessing? Andromeda excerpt:Tyr Anasazi: "I could say, 'Kill them all and let God sort it out,' but someone told me He was dead."Captain Dylan Hunt: "That Nietzsche, what a comedian!"View article:THE NOMINALIZATON OF AL–QAEDA
http://www.viewmag.com/viewstory.php?storyid=4459BTW, I saw A Scanner Darkly last night. Strange, but very relevant to the surveillance society.Why was cannabis medicine banned?
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 20:09:44 PT
Hope
One of the coolest things I experienced at the Pittsburgh CSNY Freedom of Speech concert was the people. From small children with their parents to people in their 80s. I saw a stretch limousine and a bus that brought probably city people parked next to each other. When the concert ended the kind, considerate order of 18,000 people leaving was impressive. Short people, tall people, young people, old people together and in a common mind set. There were people who were drinking or smoking pot. We can do it. I saw it happen. They just won't let us live and let live.
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Comment #29 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 19:59:28 PT
FoM Comment 26
The "current society" we have now is like some sort of violent Puritanism of unbelievable proportions. It's scary. Rightfully so. It should be scary.I hope decent, intelligent people are able to stop this headlong descent of society into disaster...which is what violent Puritanism is.I have no problem with the Puritans...as long as they don't force me, or anyone else to be one. But that's apparently what's happening and has been happening for a while now.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 19:54:34 PT
I had to laugh...but I think you're right, Lombar.
"Pick at the other guys motes so *he* can't see the beam in mine, too busy warding off the constant attacks."
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 19:50:11 PT
Lombar
You said: "Attack attack attack" is opposite "turning the other cheek"I agree with you. I really don't understand the kill them all and let God sort them out philosophy.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 19:36:19 PT
Hope
I believe in seeking help when I need help. What bothers me is when people tell me how I should think, feel or what I should do. We all want to find our own way. As long as we cause no harm to another person we should be left alone. Many of the famous people thruout history have been off the wall and now they are remembered as great artists or scientists or whatever. In this current society people who are extreme aren't allowed that right of free expression anymore.
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Comment #25 posted by lombar on September 27, 2006 at 19:33:19 PT
FoM
I think many people may be manipulated but the worst ones in my opinion resort to the following:Consider how easily "Why pick the mote in anothers eye rather than the beam in your own?" (rough paraphrase)becomesPick at the other guys motes so *he* can't see the beam in mine, too busy warding off the constant attacks. It is exactly anti-christian. If the average folk can't see that "Attack attack attack" is opposite "turning the other cheek" then we truly are doomed as species and in short order at that. IF the people are willing to tolerate a war on this(drugs) and a war on that(terror) or any other way UPON THEMSELVES complete with militaristic police and (TIA) total surveilence grid engineered and implemented by a group responsible for uncounted deaths(two wars), secret detention centers, secret trials, arrests, torture, .. what can I say? Where did the USA go?
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 19:20:33 PT
FoM Comment 20
Self-righteous, intrusive, arrogant, ignorant busy bodies is what people like that are. They somehow manage to believe they are "helping" others, when what they are actually doing is abusing others and their God given rights and freedoms.If their morals were actually so wonderful, fulfilling, and righteous they would find others emulating them without coercion...instead of having to try to force others to bend to their whims with threats and torture. That's the first sign they should have had that they might be wrong. But people like that never doubt that they are somehow smarter and better than everyone else. Usually, their entire lives revolve around forcing others to share their idea of morality on every matter.It's wrong to kill. That's obvious...yet they kill, persecute, demonize, and imprison others to keep them from consuming something that they don't want them to consume. How moral is that? It's not. It's clearly immoral...but they haven't got the humility to see it.They're puffed up proud and arrogant. They are busy bodies. That's immoral to me.
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Comment #23 posted by greenmed on September 27, 2006 at 19:13:38 PT
thought so...
from http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22206.shtml"Our American society is plagued by moral relativism - the notion that . . . there are things that are worse out there," Suthers said. "This is probably one of the worst instances - this campaign, this message - of moral relativism I've heard."Tvert said Suthers simply doesn't want people to have marijuana for any reason, noting the attorney general also opposed pot being administered for medical reasons."They don't care if you're sick or dying. They don't care if you're young. They don't care if you're old," Tvert said. "They just want to make sure that you cannot use marijuana under any circumstances."---Hurrah for Mr. Tvert.
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Comment #22 posted by greenmed on September 27, 2006 at 18:59:33 PT
moral relativism
Mr. Suthers plays the moral relativism card to argue against SAFER's sensible policy proposal. If that's the best he can do, it shows the dilemma he is in. Medicating with cannabis, too, is based on 'personal circumstance' and has been approved by the voters of Colorado. Does Mr. Suthers really desire to do the will of the People of Colorado?
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Comment #21 posted by mayan on September 27, 2006 at 18:20:48 PT
Compassionate Churches
From the linked article in FoM's comment #11...Religious bodies officially endorsing the removal of criminal penalties for marijuana possession include the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church (USA), and Central Conference of American Rabbis. The Unitarian Universalist Association advocates regulating marijuana just like alcohol. More than 20 others support policy changes such as allowing the medical use of marijuana or repealing mandatory minimum sentencing laws.I wonder just how many folks who belong to those churches actually know their church's stance on cannabis? My guess would be not many.THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Green, Nass renew call to UW to fire 9/11 conspiracy professor:
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=100562&ntpid=3Jesse Ventura Highlights Government Plan To Attack U.S. Cities & Kill Americans (w/video interview):
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/270906jesseventura.htmCHALLENGE TO MAINSTREAM JOURNALISTS - DARE TO REALLY INVESTIGATE 9/11:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/homc092206.shtml9/11 - closing in on the BIG LIE (video):
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/270906biglie.htm
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 18:06:23 PT
Right Wing Morality
I don't understand why the religious right minds what other people do. If I had a neighbor that was always telling me what to do, how to do it, that I shouldn't think that way or act that way I would scratch my head and wonder if I ever asked him for any advice. That's what the right wing republicans are doing to everyone by making laws to make us do it the way they want.
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 17:02:14 PT
This looks like a good report.
Linked to it from Safer.http://medmarijuana.meetup.com/119/boards/view/viewthread?thread=2251086
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 16:57:39 PT
Merciless thugs...
just like the guys behind the Inquisition and witch burners.Cruel, stupid, greedy, hate filled, fear filled, ignorant, merciless, thoughtless, powerful thugs. That's what they are.
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on September 27, 2006 at 16:55:34 PT
"moral relativism.""
A favorite tactical weapon of the neo-cons...no matter what you're talking about. I think they've already way overused it and I'll be glad when they stop it. Not because they use it well or it means anything relative to what they are debating about...it's just, apparently, to them, one of their "sharp sticks".Where's the "moral relativism" in locking people up for consuming a plant? Oh yeah...it means they're merciless thugs, in my book.Aaargh.
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Comment #16 posted by lombar on September 27, 2006 at 16:44:27 PT
I don't think you got that gw
"Suthers dismissed this central claim of the group as "moral relativism.""Suthers is *denouncing* SAFER as moral relativist because he is a moral absolutist."According to moral absolutists, morals are inherent in the laws of the universe, the nature of humanity, the will of God, or some other fundamental source. Moral absolutists regard actions as inherently moral or immoral."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_absolutismThe DEA and ONDCP think themselves a "fundamental source", over and above God. The creator made it, the people want (or need) it but the DEA and the governments say no because they have USURPED authority that is not theirs.
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on September 27, 2006 at 16:40:13 PT
Do You Believe?
You have a place in this world?That every thought and act is part of this Infinite Universe?Do You Believe?Every Living Breathing Creature has the right to Eternal Justice?Justice, Truth and Salvation, belong to the "witness" and those who cannot see, forever step into the Night and Forget their place amongst the footsteps of the unforgotten, whose life and blood sings Forever to the Stars.
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on September 27, 2006 at 15:31:53 PT
re: conservatives
"Republicans are just conservative and not about money issues but about sin, morals and jail to solve the problem."You can bet that Democrats can be counted in the same ranks as the above described Republicans. It seems that there is something in Christianity, the Bible that leads to the same conclusions, burn the witch, or in more civilized circles jail and endless futility.When Suthers says "Suthers dismissed this central claim of the group as "moral relativism." what he is saying is that Tvert has no "True" authority, yet how can Suthers use such an argument, since he is also bound by the same rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism-In philosophy, moral relativism takes the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect absolute and universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances. Moral relativists hold that no universal standard exists by which to assess an ethical proposition's truth.You can be sure, that AG Suthers has no other agenda but a paycheck, he does not care about children or addictions, his only interest is from the bank, while he cleverly hides behind his Jingoist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JingoistAs for "Moral relativism", there is an objective truth that cannot be dismissed, there are thousands of human beings placed into cages every year, for using cannabis, this adds up to millions of human beings, who have wrongfully been imprisoned, for a health problem, they are not traitors, they are not a threat to the commerce of our civilization, they are Americans, and they languish because of people like AG Suthers, while I am at this point, throw in the L Marshes and all the fools that seek the Truth in the most vile and immoral ways, may God have mercy upon their souls.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 14:33:37 PT
Wayne
The religious groups mentioned are liberal about lots of issues. The fundamentalists that are involved with the republicans and Bush administration wouldn't agree I believe. They are very conservative about moral issues. Republicans are just conservative and not about money issues but about sin, morals and jail to solve the problem.
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Comment #12 posted by Wayne on September 27, 2006 at 13:31:44 PT
re: FoM #11
I would love to think that if the religious groups were behind decriminalization, that it would catalyze some sort of change. But judging by this administration, I fear that the exact opposite would be true. I mean think about it, Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists agreeing on something?? BushCo would have none of that. It would go against his entire mantra of 'Shut up, quit thinking!' It would be the ultimate slap-in-the-face to the Great Divider himself, if people actually left his precious evangelist right in favor of one of those 'other' religions. And all because a little green plant might show them the way.No no, it's too much of a risk for him to let THAT happen. And unfortunately for us, 2009 is still a long way away.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 11:18:58 PT
Press Release from Religion News Service
September 25, 2006Major U.S. Religions Advocate Marijuana Decriminalizationhttp://www.religionnews.com/press02/PR092606B.html
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Comment #10 posted by BGreen on September 27, 2006 at 11:01:21 PT
My trip home from Amsterdam
I smoked my last joint before I went to the airport to leave Amsterdam, and had a comfortable (as possible flying coach) nearly 21 hour flight with layovers before I got home. There were no withdrawals (and trust me, I consumed a LOT of cannabis during that week,) as a matter of fact, there were no problems whatsoever.There are many people whom can't even fly domestically without nicotine gum or patches because of their addiction to tobacco.Attorney General John Suthers is just another liar who doesn't have a real clue what he's talking about.I have a deep personal understanding of the truth and stand even more firmly on the Truth in defiance to the evil powers (like Attorney General John Suthers) who choose to lie in order to cage humans.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #9 posted by OverwhelmSam on September 27, 2006 at 09:57:13 PT
Suthers Represents the Federal Government
Our politicians are elected to represent the people. Who is Suthers representing?
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Comment #8 posted by dongenero on September 27, 2006 at 09:41:33 PT
Prohibition
C'mon everyone.....it's only been given 70 years to work!Umm.....stay the course?
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Comment #7 posted by ekim on September 27, 2006 at 09:38:44 PT
then why are arrests for use going up every year?
Suthers chastised Tvert for "impugning my motives." He said a marked decline in drug use over the past three decades proved the value of the drug war. Complete Article: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4402241
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 09:29:22 PT
Excerpt from The Denver Post Article
The closest thing to fireworks came during the face-off over Amendment 44, which would legalize adult possession of up to an ounce of marijuana. Supporter Mason Tvert of Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation repeatedly accused Colorado Attorney General John Suthers of misstating facts about marijuana use, employing scare tactics and opposing legalization of the drug to maintain federal funding. Suthers chastised Tvert for "impugning my motives." He said a marked decline in drug use over the past three decades proved the value of the drug war. Complete Article: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4402241
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Comment #5 posted by OverwhelmSam on September 27, 2006 at 09:13:20 PT
Suffering From Marijuana Dependence?
Actually, I'm not suffering at all. I've consumed cannabis since I was a teen and find it quite enjoyable. The only people who are truly "suffering" from marijuana, are the ones arrested for possession. The laws against pot use cause more people to suffer far more than weed ever could.
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Comment #4 posted by lombar on September 27, 2006 at 08:32:33 PT
Maybe
The sleeping giant will awaken to see that it is wool they are looking through, wool that has been pulled over their eyes by the mainstream media and the fox propaganda machine. I thought it was generally known that it is just an extension of the State? Since all the big companies are owned by a few people, the media concentration is reason why the people have been snowed for so long. Alternative views are not permitted on TV except to be denigrated.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 07:55:05 PT
mayan
That is really good news about Fox too. Thanks.
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Comment #2 posted by mayan on September 27, 2006 at 07:47:38 PT
FoM
I want to see the debate also. These articles don't seem to give Tvert a fair shake. I bet he tore the old lying AG apart!The blogs are taking over... Fox News Ratings Continue Slide:
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/09/26/fox_news_ratings_continue_slide.php
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on September 27, 2006 at 07:24:58 PT
I Hope We Win
I am looking forward to seeing the debate when it is on line.
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