Three Days of Peace and Music

  Three Days of Peace and Music

Posted by CN Staff on August 15, 2006 at 06:37:48 PT
By Elizabeth D. Hoover  
Source: American Heritage 

New York -- They came on foot, hitching rides from as far away as Miami and then hiking through the rolling countryside. They came by bus. They came by car. And they all converged on a dairy farm in Bethel, New York. They kept coming even after the highways were clogged with traffic, after the alfalfa field was crammed with people shoulder to shoulder. Half a million people gathered on August 15, 1969, for what would become the most famous rock concert ever, Woodstock.
Now, 37 years later, those three days are ensconced in American history as an iconic moment of the 1960s. An event that could have been a disaster—inadequate facilities, skeletal security force, not enough food and water—erupted in a spontaneous, if brief, utopia.With an advertising budget of less than $200,000, the festival’s organizers—all under the age of 26 and bankrolled by someone’s trust fund—expected, and planned for, around 200,000 people. They were quickly overwhelmed. The flimsy ticket booths couldn’t handle the crowd and, because of the virtually non-existent security, crashers climbed the fence around the concert area, eventually pulling it down. A stage manager, who called himself Chip Monck, served as emcee, and his onstage patter helped keep the crowd calm. He announced, “The people who backed this are going to take a bath, a big bath, and that’s no hype. They decided your welfare is a lot more important than a dollar.” It was now a free concert. Over the sea of people wafted the scent of marijuana, but the Sullivan County police threw up their hands. There weren’t enough cells in the county to hold all the people smoking pot.By the end of the first day the crowd had grown to 500,000. It dawned on the festival’s organizers and the area’s residents that the situation was potentially dangerous. The medical facilities were inadequate for hundreds of young people struggling with bad trips and the beginnings of a dysentery outbreak. Food and water were running out. To make matters worse, a huge storm turned the entire hillside into a mud pile.Despite the conditions, and the music dragging hopelessly behind schedule, the audience remained remarkably well-behaved. People shared what little they had with their neighbors and helped people on bad acid trips to the medical tent. Dr. William Abruzzi, in charge of first aid, noted, “There has been no violence whatsoever, which is really remarkable for a crowd of this size. These people are really beautiful.”“Generation gap” was the buzzword of the day, with the younger set’s language, dress, music, politics, and morals seemingly setting them against their parents. After the violence at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago the year before, many locals were jittery about an “army of freaks” descending on their town. But the gentle demeanor of the young crowd seemed to bridge that gap. One police officer noted, “Notwithstanding their personality, their dress, and their ideas, they were and they are the most courteous, considerate, and well-behaved group of kids I have ever been in contact with.” Area residents, many of whom had been charging for water the day before, let their hoses run and handed out blankets. The Air Force set up a post to airlift people to medical facilities and arranged food drops.Meanwhile some of the biggest names in rock played on, including the Who, Janis Joplin, Sly and the Family Stone, and the Grateful Dead. There were moments of musical transcendence, including Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young’s performance of “Suite: Judy Blue Eyes” at a little after three in the morning on Monday, Joe Cocker’s ecstatic rendition of “With a Little Help From My Friends,” and Joan Baez singing “Joe Hill” to a hushed crowd after dedicating her performance to her husband, who was serving time for refusing the draft. The festival was brought to a close on Monday by Jimi Hendrix, whose hyperintense “Star-Spangled Banner” was played to a nearly empty field as the audience filtered out to search for their cars or seek rides home.The backers of the festival lost $2 million, but the organizers called it a success because of its peaceful atmosphere. There were two deaths, one from an overdose and one from an accident, and only a handful of arrests, a triumph given the size of the crowd. When asked about the financial shortfall, the producer Michael Lang replied, “Today is a time to think about what happened here—the youth culture came out of the alleys and the streets. This generation was brought together and showed it was beautiful.”Max Yasgur, the farmer who had rented out his field for the festival, announced from the stage, “I think you people have proven something to the world, not only the town of Bethel or to Sullivan Country, but to the world . . . a half a million kids can get together and have three days of fun and music and have nothing but fun and music, and God bless you for it.”Just how remarkable a feat that was was demonstrated less then a year later, when a free concert at the Altamont Speedway near San Francisco erupted into violence between the audience and the Hell’s Angels who were providing security. One man was stabbed to death. Subsequent Woodstock festivals were dismal affairs with riots, fires, and sexual assaults. It seemed as if the spirit of 1969 evaporated when the last fan squelched off the muddy field.For the writer Michael P. Tremoglie, the 1969 festival was just a gathering of hypocrites without any political bite. He recently wrote in the conservative magazine Human Events, “The Woodstock audience could not feed themselves, let alone the poor. The Woodstock crowd needed to rely on the very people they spurned—the establishment—to feed them.” For others it was proof that, in the absence of coercion, goodwill and peace and understanding could flourish. The significance of Woodstock as a cultural happening cannot be denied, though is meaning will be puzzled over for years to come. In the words of Michael Bourne, writing for Down Beat, “Surely why all that happened did so is an object of any and all speculation. . . . But no conclusion will be certain, because no one can ever truly estimate all that occurred, just as no single private in a foxhole can estimate the full spectrum of a consequential battle strategy.”Elizabeth D. Hoover is a former editor at American Heritage magazine. Source: American Heritage (NY)Author: Elizabeth D. Hoover Published: Tuesday August 15, 2006 Copyright: 2006 American HeritageContact:  mail americanheritage.comWebsite: Related Article & Web Site:WoodStock 69 of Cooperation at The '69 Festival -- Cannabis Archives 

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Comment #82 posted by whig on August 17, 2006 at 23:21:49 PT
Here's the permanent url for that trackback:
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Comment #81 posted by whig on August 17, 2006 at 11:46:26 PT
I posted that to the cannablog too.
cannablog - Peace and love, y'all
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Comment #80 posted by mayan on August 17, 2006 at 03:53:12 PT
Once Again
Afghan opium cultivation hits a record:, the Bush and Blair cartels are making a fortune! How many years since the Taliban was removed from power has Afghanistan broken the previous record for opium production? It seems like it's every year! Whoever supports the drug war is either getting taken for a very,very long ride or they are getting rich off of it!
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Comment #79 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 21:26:03 PT
"it has always been a tool of social control above all else. They need the drugs to be able to manipulate the people. If all the drugs vanished when prohibited there would be no enforcement powers that mattered, because none would have been necessary. Therefore, there is a strong institutional interest as well as a financial windfall to be had when the government which first prohibits addictive drugs like heroin, then manufactures and imports them from places like Afghanistan..."And non-addictive marijuana as well, of course. That's the great, monstrous con-game, all right. Prohibitionist forces laugh up their sleeves when critics say the drug war is a failure.The drug war is very, very successful -- for their disguised, nefarious purposes.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 20:53:12 PT
A Song on LWW
It's currently number 9 on LWW Today. It's called Drugs Against War.
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Comment #77 posted by Truth on August 16, 2006 at 18:55:47 PT
so true....
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Comment #76 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 18:51:06 PT
"That is why Drug Czar Walters spends the vast majority of his time and resources fighting against the legalization of the least harmful recreational drug. And that is why I am a marijuana reformer."So profound. If our movement were unimportant he would spend the majority of his time and resources coordinating other aspects of their "drug war." And we're not even the ones talking mostly about drugs like cocaine and heroin, though criminal prohibition has never worked against any of them. And prohibition per se has never been the point -- it has always been a tool of social control above all else. They need the drugs to be able to manipulate the people. If all the drugs vanished when prohibited there would be no enforcement powers that mattered, because none would have been necessary. Therefore, there is a strong institutional interest as well as a financial windfall to be had when the government which first prohibits addictive drugs like heroin, then manufactures and imports them from places like Afghanistan -- which had stopped producing opium under the Taliban.And for the record, I do believe the reason the US government knocked over the Taliban was as much for opium as anything else.
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Comment #75 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 18:36:32 PT
In the long run, none of us has the ability to lie.
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Comment #74 posted by Truth on August 16, 2006 at 18:30:27 PT
Glad to see you visited OCBC. Jeff Jones is a hero in my eyes.
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Comment #73 posted by Truth on August 16, 2006 at 18:23:52 PT
All true, but if we had an inability to lie maybe the Nazis wouldn't be at the door. Their movement was started with a big deception.
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Comment #72 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 18:21:18 PT
Unfortunately, self-defense and defense of others may compel us to falsely deny things. Someone who was sheltering a Jewish family from the Nazis couldn't tell the truth if questioned, and couldn't refuse to answer either because it would have given the soldiers enough suspicion that they would have searched for and found them.
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Comment #71 posted by Truth on August 16, 2006 at 18:10:50 PT
I believe it all boils down to honesty. If the human animal had an inablility to lie the world would hum along in a utopic state.A man, or woman, is only as good as their word.
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Comment #70 posted by mayan on August 16, 2006 at 17:51:50 PT
nuevo mexican
Backward Sunspot:"We've been waiting for this," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight in Huntsville, Alabama. "A backward sunspot is a sign that the next solar cycle is beginning."I was wondering if you had any insight as to how this possible beginning of the next solar cycle might affect us in astrological terms. This next cycle will peak in, you guessed it...2012! They say it will be the most active cycle in decades. Supposedly the earth and sun will simultaneously be undergoing polar shifts. I get the feeling that everything in this universe is changing. It would seem that would bode ver bad for the fascists in power. 
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Comment #69 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 17:18:22 PT
nuevo mexican
"Sounds good whig on the Cannablog, it isn't up yet is it?"It's up!
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Comment #68 posted by Max Flowers on August 16, 2006 at 16:33:30 PT
Sorry buddy
That's why I sometimes hate email/blog/etc., because misinterpretations can easily happen. I read it, but when I saw the last line, I interpreted it that you simply didn't want to hear about it (9/11) from anyone anymore, like you wanted to just ignore it at this point. Apologies for the misunderstanding, which was all mine. Maybe it's productive anyway, because I got a chance to further the message.
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Comment #67 posted by BGreen on August 16, 2006 at 16:21:39 PT
You've got me wrong, Max Flowers
I'm not letting anything "slide." George W. Bush and his cronies are 100% responsible for what happened and I'll keep telling the world until they're all prosecuted for their crimes.What I'm sick of is 9/11 being evoked BY GWB and his bloody followers as an excuse for separating us from our money and our freedoms.I don't know how you came to you conclusion about me after reading my post, but my intention was to portray all of the ways the media and GWB supporters try to control us with THEIR version of 9/11, using 9/11 as an excuse to defend their actions while destroying this country and it's constitution.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #66 posted by Max Flowers on August 16, 2006 at 16:00:06 PT
I'm sick of it too, I'm sure we all are. But we cannot let it slide, as you are willing to do. The problem is, 9/11 actually IS at the very root and core of almost all of the problems we have today. It is a festering, cancerous sore in the American psyche and we can't get back on a better path until we address it and get justice. It's just that simple if you ask me. It is nothing less than the crime of the millenium. What makes it so big is its brazenness and the heinous deceit involved. The horror of it is indescribable---not the fire and the crushed bodies, but that your own government would do this, DID do it, and will probably do it again, and may get away with it all. How you can just let that go, when they killed 3,000 of your brothers and sisters, is something I can't fathom. We are as a nation just like a violent crime victim who has no "closure." It's the same thing, psychologically. And worse still, we are under the threat and control of the perpetrator(s). We are like a woman who's being held as a hostage after seeing her family murdered in front of her, and she can't find anyone who believes that the perpetrator she is pointing out really did it. I consider it every American's duty to make sure this doesn't go away until the real perps are brought to justice. Everyone needs to be a mayan or an Alex Jones until we get to the bottom of it, or we can consider ourselves a permanently screwed victimized police-state populace. 
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Comment #65 posted by nuevo mexican on August 16, 2006 at 15:12:50 PT
Discourse is the best, here especially!
And that is why I have a difficult time refraining from posting, as anything I might say is usually what is being said.I include the Stars since Cannabists' are always interested in the more spiritual aspects of life, or 'Aquarian Age' subject matter, since that is what this is all about, shifting from a consciousness of the Piscean Age (Confusion/deception vs. enlightenment, compassion), into Aquarius, (cold-hearted, explosive, nuclear vs. humanitarianism/christ consciousness for the masses).In Astrology, everything on the planet has a 'ruler' and Cannabis is ruled by Saturn, the planet of Wisdom, and the Sign of Capricorn, representing the apex, the peak, the 'highest point'. Just thought I should mention it!Sounds good whig on the Cannablog, it isn't up yet is it?I recommend we all not 'shy' away from the subject of 911, it all leads back to the week before anyway, when Tom and Rollie were offed, sacrificed to the new bushworld reality, where justice is injustice and peace is war.This is all to maddening for any human being choosing to live in love and peace, something we can only find within, yet the horror taking place at the expense and reputation of us and our countrymen is huge, and that is what we choose when we thank the ganga and recieve its' blessings, which are many, I can think of hundreds with little effort.I respect your simplicity FOM, and strive to attain this state as well, straight forward describes you, and when you focus on any subject, you always have great insights, I think that is what we seek from you on 911, it really is too horrific to think that it was an inside job, once we face the facts, the healing can begin.And Mexico is the big deal, revealing how the next election has already been stolen in the U.S. revealed by the Medias' choice to frame bushes' candidate Calderon as the true winner, and the true winner, as the loser, so don't think anything is going to change here in 2008 since Gregory Palast has it all on his website, and they use PAPER ballots, so don't hold your breath, 2012 is when the MAYAN Calendar starts, it will 'appear' that we're all headed downhill til then, so don't despair, the planets will have the last word on Karma, thank GOOD!Back to the Outer world:The last few weeks of propaganda, between Lebanon and the UK, extrememly important to divert any attention for the Stolen Election in Mexico that will preceed a 'three-peat' of 2000 and 2004, in the U.S., realistically, if you think about it for two seconds, the current state of the media where the world hates us because of bush, and he is still in office, after everything.(The planets have a nitty-gritty way of making sure we 'get' something, and we haven't 'gotten' it yet, as we all know).Evidence:Craig Murray: The UK Terror plot: what's really going on? "None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time. ... In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot." 8/16
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 15:11:29 PT
You said: The murderous actions of President George W. Bush and his administration since 9/11 have been so barbaric and heinous that the actual events of 9/11/01 pale in comparison in terms of lives lost and damage to this country.That is where I am too.
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Comment #63 posted by BGreen on August 16, 2006 at 14:57:38 PT
I'm so F%#^ & sick of hearing about 9/11
You're taking away our rights ... 9/11.You're using fear to control us ... 9/11.The President is a proven liar ... 9/11.The old soviet Union had less prisoners per capita and more freedoms than our "free" country ... 9/11.Torture is inhumane and illegal ... 9/11.Almost as many servicemen and women have died in Iraq as were killed by a few criminals on 9/11 ... 9/11.Nearly 200,000 innocent Iraqi citizens have been killed by the US and their allies ... 9/11.We're in an endless war against a ghost enemy known as "terrorism" and we must be willing to sacrifice our freedoms and even our lives to defeat it (whatever the hell it is) ... 9/11.I'm sick so why can't I have my cannabis medicine? ... 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11The murderous actions of President George W. Bush and his administration since 9/11 have been so barbaric and heinous that the actual events of 9/11/01 pale in comparison in terms of lives lost and damage to this country.I will not let my country be destroyed by those who defend their illegal and immoral actions by evoking memories of 9/11/01.This administration has made me just not give a damn about 9/11 anymore.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #62 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 14:48:02 PT
"What action would you have us take?"A good question. I realize I have been speaking primarily in terms of goals. I think most people know what they SHOULD be doing. They must speak the truth. And then they must demand it from their elected representatives. We have become so used to a culture of lies, that it has become hard to imagine any other way. But we must work toward it if we are to expect any hope out of our disatrous situation. We should make lying by government officials a serious criminal offense. Bush and friends should be put away for life. 
Going hand-in-hand with the problem of deceit is secrecy. While we should expect privacy in private matters, we should demand transparency in "public" matters - our government. Since we are now the dominant power, even 90 percent of what the military/CIA does in secret should be revealed.Other than working on getting cannabis to people, I don't see any positive actions to take that involve political engagement. 
Bingo! Marijuana prohibition is the Achilles heel of the corrupt corporate/government junta. The war on terror is the child of the "war on drugs." The stripping of our rights and freedoms began with this war on ourselves. Marijuana is the key because it is clearly non-addictive and less harmful than alcohol. And it is the key because of its near universal experience. Almost every family either has a member who has toked, or knows someone who has. Even Bush has, and yet, we continue to arrest 800,000 people every year. It is the elephant in the living room that must be ejected before we can accomplish any real change.  Marijuana prohibition is the base of all corruption. That is why Drug Czar Walters spends the vast majority of his time and resources fighting against the legalization of the least harmful recreational drug. And that is why I am a marijuana reformer.The end of marijuana prohibition will be the beginning of enlightenment and hope for our world.Cannabis is the grass roots.Absolutely!
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Comment #61 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 13:49:28 PT
nuevo mexican
"And yes, we must focus deeply on 911. To fail to do so is to invite its repetition. I'm afraid another bigger version is now imminent. I hope we can act before it is too late."What action would you have us take? Other than working on getting cannabis to people, I don't see any positive actions to take that involve political engagement. We can speak, and we can educate one another about what we perceive.I also agree with getting rid of limited liability corporations, but trustbusting is what led to the current environment. At least it is some improvement because it is more open to public view. I can see a lot of things that need to be changed but I don't think they can be changed from the top, they have to be replaced from the bottom. We have to evolve our own economic and social networks that grow from the grass roots. And when I say grass, I don't mean the green stuff people wealthy people grow on their front lawns.Cannabis is the grass roots.
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Comment #60 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 13:45:27 PT
Yes. I realize Neil Young's confusion was only temporary, and that he is now, as usual, a great force for truth.He is my favorite musician for many reasons. His integrity being a primary one. He has been my guiding star since the sixties.
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Comment #59 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 13:39:55 PT
whigPoliticians coerced under threat of assassination? Certainly possible. And Kennedy's assassination was certainly covered up. But we give our "leaders" a sacred trust. So, yes, they have a duty to expose any blackmailers and rely on the people for protection. Anything else is a sham and cannot be condoned. Personally, I just believe the Democrats are on the corporate payroll just like the Republicans. We must end the corporate/political money flow - period. We must also rethink our whole position on the legal status - even the very existence - of this monstrous entity we created called the "corporation." They, and the unaccountable wealthy they protect, are the source of all our problems.And we must end the new prohibition, of course. Besides the suffering caused by the persecution of innocent people, the scale of the corruption it fosters is unimaginable to most people. Please see Catherine Fitts' "Narco Dollars For Beginners." yes, we must focus deeply on 911. To fail to do so is to invite its repetition. I'm afraid another bigger version is now imminent. I hope we can act before it is too late.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 13:29:32 PT
nuevo mexican
I'm not sure I can answer you very well but I'll try. I don't follow anyone. I should say I admire Neil but don't follow him. He is just a person and has no more insight into anything then we all do. During 9/11 I didn't try to figure out why it happened just that it did. I don't deny it all can be from within but I don't know for sure. I don't form an absolute opinion on what I can't absorb. It really has to do with my ability to grasp somethings. I always have many questions and never come up with an absolute answer. This is really how hard somethings are for me to digest. I'm a simple kind of woman.
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Comment #57 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 13:10:10 PT
nuevo mexican
I totally agree with you on what you say about following leaders. We are who we are and we have the power to do what we need to do, if each of us does what we can. None of us can do it alone, all of us are together and one consciousness when we understand.I am not able to write or say much about 9/11 myself, but you explain your perceptions well and I would like there to be someone like you to post about 9/11 issues on the Cannablog.I don't know much about astrology and never used it as any kind of serious tool, but I did find other paths. Someone did a tarot reading on me a few months ago, and it blew my mind. I know very well that the reader is also paying attention to my responses and she already had talked with me for a few hours beforehand so she wasn't reading me cold at all. But still, I know enough about tarot that she certainly wasn't blowing smoke in describing the way they fell.
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Comment #56 posted by nuevo mexican on August 16, 2006 at 12:53:04 PT
Thanks for admitting you were blindsided FOM...
And you believed 911 was 19 Arabs on 4 planes too?No, do you still believe that? I feel I've failed here at C-News, as Cannabis is the badge of the left, that bush and company hold up as targets for attacks, Tom and Rollie are our Martyrs, and the media is complicite in the cover-up.With Jupiter in Scorpio, you've broadened your political views, connecting the dots, and making bold statements supporting Neil Young, and I think you're fantastic for putting it on the line for his 'leadership'. Though 'leaders' are NOT, and the people will soon find out that ALL 'leaders' are fake, suspect, and stooges, to fill a vacumn that is left we choose NOT TO LEAD FROM WITHIN!Neil waited for some 'young' person to get it...NOT!He had no choice!Never follow a guru, a 'master', an expert, a 'leader', a 'politician'. Jesus, Ghandhi, Buddha or anyone but your higher self, as YOU are the guru, the Master, the expert, the leader, Jesus, Ghandhi and Buddha all wrapped into one, and their message is always: listen to your heart, find the middle way, love is all there is, and don't 'follow' me, BE ME! (Christ consciousness is not 'Jesus', but all Christs' as Buddha, Krishna, Ghandhi, even John Lennon achieved Christ like status with his crucifixion early on, (when he made the statement that the Beatles had become more 'popular' than Jesus, and the religious right had a hey day and burnt thousands of Beatles albums, it was pretty vicious, and set the tone for the sixties)
and was born with the required Jupiter/Saturn conjunction found in the charts of all 'Christ' figures. To top it off, he also had Uranus in Taurus to make for 3 planets in Taurus, thus his love of music, and the making of music for making love, and any other ramifications you come up with!Back to the topic of 911, a subject so powerful that a war on Lebanon was required to steer the media away from the biggest crime to preceed the current crime of killing 200,000 Iraqis', a low estimate, but shocking, and bin laden is the culprit of 911, see what I mean?Geez alot has changed, especially you, and your enthusiasm for Neil Youngs' anti-warism is contagious! I love even more for 'who' you are than ever FoM!Let's find out what Neil thinks of 9-11, you know he's on it, and in agreement, thus his new found passion for getting out the message!But we posters edu-macated you on the pre War hype, debunked it repeatedly, and you still bought it? Please explain, I am not judging you, and believe in non-judgement, which doens't mean you can't have an opinion, but that everything is a reflection of all that exists within, and is expressed without, in the 'outer' world.It's okay if you weren't reading our posts, your focus is on dedicated to Cannabis, but PEACE and CANNABIS are one in the same, I've noticed war and alcohol seem to be comfortable with each other too!We discussed the pre War propaganda here in the greatest of detail, who were you believing, CNN, or us? Really now. I believe EVERYTHING you say! Just kidding! You are the 'honest ABe' around here you know!Now you know why it is so important to ME that YOU are edu-macated (bush-speak for the clueless) about 911, as Mayan has patriotically persisted at.Are you reading his links?
I hope so, that is how I start my day! C-News, FOM, and Mayan to go! Then I'm off, spreading the word, whatever that may be!Not to seem to 'get on your case', but really, FOM, surely you jest when you admit you bought bushes bushit. Thanks for the admission, I thought it might be so, you express yourself freely here.Think about it....Tom and Rollies' murder was a week before, a warm-up so to speak, to make sure the media was 'in-line' with the propaganda, and they followed the bush anti-pot/rainbow/activist line perfectly did they not!The media did NOT indict, frame, and crimilize the murder of Tom and Rollie, like with every white teenager, they videotaped it, from a helicopter remember, and are probably still watching copies of it at home, laughing at the way they, the FBI, the local sheriff, etc. got away with it!HI guys! Yeh, you! The media was absent then, as it is now, and I knew the jig was in the minute I saw the buildings hit, I knew it was bush, and you STILL think bin laden was in on it? Bin ladens family are freinds of the bush family, period, the bush Crime family, CIA, Kennedy assasination, MLK, BOBBY KENNEDY, same people, paid off media, in fear of same.So.....Watch Loose Change II now please: consider, everyone here, edu-macating yourself on 911, as you have on the Iraq War, thank you so much for your passion there, let's not miss the boat though, and repeat the lie of 911 and bin laden please.911 - THE BASIC QUESTIONS 
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they 
had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks? 
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial, citing an 
unidentified "threat" in July 2001? 
3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon 
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of 
the classroom? 
5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the 
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the 
flights all use the term boxcutters? 
7. Where are the flight recorders? 
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued? 
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live 
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 
9/11cancelled by WTC management on 9/10? 
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so 
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the 
airports so quickly? 
13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force? 
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93? 
15. Why was no plane seen at the Pentagon? 
16. How extensive was the relationship between the 
Taliban, the ISI and the CIA? 
17. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at 
18. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline 
from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan? 
19. When was the decision made to send the FEMA to New 
20. Why did FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney tell Dan Rather 
he was in New York on Sept. 10? 
21. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to 
investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington? 
22. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist 
connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001? 
23. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop 
investigating Al-qeada accounts? 
24. Who gave the decision to give him a security job 
at the World Trade Center? 
25. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the 
night of September 10th? 
26. What about media reports that hijackers bought 
tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11? 
27. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appeared on the 
passenger lists? 
28. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink 
alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles? 
29. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow 
drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed? 
30. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call 
relatives? See this link for the other 430 questions on 911, that were NOT asked by the commission that just admitted the felt the Pentagon was lying to them.You can believe NOTHING reported in the American News, even Amy Goodman at Democracy Now is part of the GateKeepers of the Left, (she's wonderful, I've met her, have a slight crush on her, she practices old fashioned, non shrieking anti-news modeling anti-faux propaganda, though it seems, even she has her 'price'. Sad. Another Karl Rovian success story. Left Gatekeepers Phenomenon The denial that 9/11/01 was an inside job is nowhere deeper than in the traditional Left and the established Left media. Respected commentators for the Left, such as David Corn of the Nation, pooh-poohed challenges to the official story of the attack, or at most suggested complicity of the Bush administration by pointing to Saudi connections to the Bush family, all while staying within the confines of the official myth of the hijackers, crumbling skyscrapers, etc. Researcher Mark Robinowitz devotes much of his vast website to tracking the Left gatekeeper phenomenon.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 12:32:22 PT
I called it fighting because I don't believe a person can fight an angry person and win. Everyone loses. Fighting to me is debating a side of an issue with sense. Two people can be dedicated to how they view a hot button issue but in the end the conversation will end with no ill will. We need the republicans and the democrats to grow up and take a stand but don't play dirty or everyone of us loses.
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Comment #54 posted by whig on August 16, 2006 at 12:17:02 PT
The Democratic Party has been really ineffectual and worse than useless, but maybe there's a reason. Sometimes people act in strange ways when they are under some threat, even if it's just a political calculation of the consequences to speaking out or doing something. I certainly couldn't be as publicly outspoken on medical marijuana issues when I lived in Pennsylvania. If I wanted to medicate, I had to break the law, and then I couldn't simultaneously demonstrate unless I wanted to expose not only myself but anyone who might want to supply me with medicine. Catch-22.Do the Republicans hold something over on the Democrats, and/or is there something being held over both parties? Bill Hicks used to talk about the Kennedy assassination (this was before 9/11 and that was the big deal then, we should still be talking about it by the way). He suggested maybe every new President gets shown the real deal, and it's made very clear he can be taken care of just as easily. Let's just pretend that this happened, what could even the President do? Could he expose them before they'd take him out? It's a question about how much power the President really has.But we can't do anything about these kinds of conspiracies, whether they exist and whether or not we believe the official story. We can talk about them and try to find out what information we can to substantiate what happened, and we should do that for the sake of understanding and educating ourselves and future generations. Nevertheless this cannot be the focus of our activity. We cannot be always reacting to things, we have to make the changes we want and disregard as much as would distract us from doing what we need to be doing.I think that's one reason a lot of people on the left don't want to talk about 9/11. People who are busy trying to do things might agree with you but might not want to waste their time on it. I don't care if people disregard this issue, as long as they don't dismiss it. There's a big difference there. Anyone who tries to defend the official story is clearly not disregarding 9/11, they are taking a side and they are spending their time so they can't say it's because there are more important things they could be doing.I will be doing cannabis advocacy as much as I am able. I expect that I won't be doing much of 9/11 truth issues because I don't consider myself an authority on that and I can only point people to other sources for information about it. Of course things can change and I might need to talk more about things that I don't feel a need to discuss right now.
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 11:59:47 PT
I read the quote from Neil's comment on an earlier thread. He only supported the Patriot Act at first after 9/11. It didn't take him long to see it was wrong. In the movie Greendale it is thruout the whole movie.NY: Leave The Driving - GreendaleWe'll be watching youIn everything you doand you can do your partby watching others too
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Comment #52 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 11:56:10 PT
I don't call this fighting. Just a lively discussion. How boring it would be if we all agreed all the time 8^) I certainly enjoy our talks too! There's no place that feels more like home than here!The average American? I just wish they would all think for themselves instead of swallowing party lines. This country has racked up a huge bill of ill-will around the world, and when it comes time to pay, there's going to be a lot of people moaning, "I didn't know what they were doing in my name!" -- Unfortunately, ignorance will not serve as an excuse.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 10:42:02 PT
I agree that we can't afford to be delicate now. Things are bad. What can the average American do to help?PS: By the way I have always enjoyed talking with you over the years. We might not be on the same wavelength all the time but we are kind to one another. You aren't wrong in how you feel and neither am I. We can fight fights like this with sense but Bush and his people fight dirty. Real dirty.
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Comment #50 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 10:36:54 PT
I understand your concerns. But, frankly, I don't think that was Kerry's motivation. I don't trust him. I don't think we have time to be delicate anymore. Bush certainly isn't.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 10:13:34 PT
Yes maybe he should have fought but think about how bad things were going in Iraq. I think of the story where two women claimed a baby and King Solomen said ok we will cut the baby in two pieces. The real mother said no give it to the other women. I think that is how Kerry saw it. Causing more instability in the middle of a war must be dealt with delicately. What I mean about Mexico is it isn't an issue in the northern part of the country like it is in the south. We are different up this way. That's not bad either. 
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Comment #48 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 09:54:55 PT
Mexico is not a million miles away. They're are neighbor on our southern border. But, yes, their situation is not exactly like ours.My only point is that Kerry should have fought Bush's theft of the election. Sure, it would have made lots of waves, but we NEED those waves. We could be facing another 91l any day now. Only this time, it will probably be a whole city. And when it happens, it will likely be the end of freedom and the beginning of fascist USA. Kerry might have been able to stop it. 
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 09:49:13 PT
I don't follow what is happening in Mexico since it is a million miles away from where I live. The thing is Mexico isn't in the mess we have been in since 9/11. That puts a whole new spin on how we deal with issues.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 09:46:43 PT
I don't think he knew how dirty they would fight. I think the Democrats are waking up to that now. We can't change the past but we can learn from it I believe.
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Comment #45 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 09:43:05 PT
Kerry's job was to fight it anyway he had to. There's too much at stake and time is running too short.Just look at how Obrador is fighting the theft of the presidential election in Mexico.That's what Kerry should have done!
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 09:27:07 PT
I only voted two times in my life and one time was for Kerry. I really like the northern Democrats like Kennedy was. That's where many great musicians came from back in the 60s. How can someone who believes in manners like Kerry does fight someone like Bush who brings out the hate people in droves? Before I would fight dirty I wouldn't fight.
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Comment #43 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 09:26:38 PT
Well, I, and many others, didn't believe Bush for a minute. First, he stole the election. Then his popularity was plummetting and 911 came along at JUST the right time to give him almost absolute power. It was just TOO convenient and with too many unanswered questions.I smelled a big rat from the begginning, and I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone when I saw the whole country out waving flags like 911 suddenly made us a great people. It didn't, of course. It was the first indication of a great, manufactured madness.
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Comment #42 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 09:21:47 PT

The main trouble I have with the Democratic party can be summed up in two words: John KerryI had vowed after Gore's taking a dive that I wouldn't waste my vote on them again. But Kerry knew what Bush was about and that he would attempt to steal the election again. IMO, Kerry's job was to fight that theft. He was supposed to give everything to keep that from happening again. But he didn't. He rolled over and died, just like Gore, and with less excuse than Gore had because Kerry saw it all happen before.It's going to take a miracle for me to ever believe in the Democrats again. Maybe if Neil says it 8^)
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 09:19:59 PT

I know that I believe what they said because they pushed it on us. Now we all know better. When Bush talked about the WMD that Iraq was suppose to have I thought he is so sure of himself let him do his thing. He didn't tell us the truth and here we are. We aren't privileged to what the government is so sometimes we must take them at face value and wait and see. We did see didn't we?
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Comment #40 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 09:14:25 PT

Please, don't get me wrong.  I know that Neil is totally on-board and leading this issue now. There is no one I believe in more either. If he were to ask for people to join him, I would leave today to be at his side.My point was that even Neil had difficulty with this issue at first. Here is where he states it in an interview:,,1805023,00.htmlLiving With War is indeed an angry record but one that manages to sound somehow patriotic, too. Young says he waited a long time to make it because he was hoping that 'maybe a younger artist would stand up and write these kinds of songs'. That never happened, or at least not in the high-profile way he thought it would. 'For a while, you know, I didn't feel it was my place. Being 60 years old, and being who I am, it just didn't feel appropriate,' he continues, getting into his stride. 'Plus, after 9/11, we were told by the government that expressing dissent was not patriotic. I mean, I trusted the government back then. I was one of those guys who thought the Patriot Act was an OK idea when it first came out. I got behind it.' He shakes his head at his own folly. What, I ask, changed his mind? 'Bush did. The government did. We need a leader who's more cautious, not so reckless with things they don't understand. Other cultures need to be respected. Culture itself needs to be respected.Again, no one believes in Neil more than I do. 
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 08:52:24 PT

I need to mention something. I don't know where you heard Neil supported the invasion of Iraq because he has said he was against it. He wants justice for those who died on 9/11 but not Iraq. Just needed to come to his defense since he is my political leader currently.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 08:45:19 PT

We are living in a very complex world now. What happened on 9/11 and having a Republican in power has made it so much worse. The kill em all and let God sort them out isn't the answer. I believed when 9/11 happened that we needed to hunt down and capture Bin Laden but not bomb Afghanistan and kill innocent people. Why couldn't they have embedded special soldiers to find and catch him without war? We weren't attacked by Afghanistan. We were attacked by people fueled by Bin Laden. Iraq is absolutely a huge mistake. I sure don't believe in third parties. I believe in a definite split between the two major parties. They are not to be friends like Lieberman was with Bush and he lost thank goodness. I can be very conservative and also liberal. Let's make them stand for the dove part of the country not the hawk part of our country. Neil did support what I said basically but not war on people. Even in Greendale he has a No More War on the side of a pretty field made with hay or straw. Justice is important but kill them all doesn't make it with me.Another thing about third parties. I don't like the Libertarian view and most women don't either. It is a white male party to me. That leaves women's issue unimportant and that's just not fair. The Greens seem good but who and where are they on issues? I don't know. No publicity means no one knows. I think of why Weeds hasn't been on the front burner of the prohibitionists and I think it is because they best leave sleeping dogs lie. Don't stir up money people in Hollywood is why I think. 
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Comment #37 posted by Celaya on August 16, 2006 at 08:20:35 PT

The Big Picture
Max and FoMThese are extremely important issues indeed.Max - I too, tend to believe 911 was an inside job. But it is more gut feeling than it is a certainty of having proof in my hand, primarily because it seems the proof depends on having a certain level of scientific knowledge I don't have. So, for me, the biggest obstacle in making the leap from feeling to proof is, where is the hue and cry from the general scientific community? If the proof is incontrivertable, that means the whole scientific community is in on the conspiracy OR scared to death to speak the truth. Either of these concepts is extremely diffiicult to accept.Another point is this new concept of the "left gate keepers." I agree that the great majority of the Democratic party is just as guilty as the Republicans in bowing to corporate interests. This is a crucial issue all in itself. How has the public allowed the Democratic party to become right wing? We desperately need a third party - which in actuality would be a REAL second party. In essence there really is no substantial left in office at this time.This being said, I still feel uncomfortable labeling a wide group of dissenters as "left gate keepers."  I think the issue is more complex than that. Yes, Goodman should devote more time to the questions of 911. As I also think she should devote more time to drug policy. After devoting ten years to intense study and dialogue of the issue of marijuana reform, I feel I am well-qualified to speak to it on any and every level. So, I have been greatly concerned that Goodman does not devote much time to this crucial issue that EACH YEAR gives almost 800,000 people an arrest record, imprisons 40,000 plus, causes the deaths of inumerable people in enforcement and other prohibition violence, and, perhaps most significantly, terrorizes the whole country with what amounts to an Inquisition pursuing the 50 million (more or less) U.S. marijuana consumers. With marijuana clearly being non-addictive and much less harmful than alcohol, there is no more clear-cut and vital issue facing this country.But Goodman mostly ignores it. This has frustrated me so much, that I have tried to contact her many times, but never got a response. So, I went further and submitted their lengthy story proposal which is a highly detailed document, requesting story points, contact information for authoritative persons to interview, and many other details. This required several hours of my time. But when I submitted it, again, I did not even receive a response, other than they had received it and would review it.All this in mind, it is still difficult for me to absolutely say Goodman is intentionally suppressing news. She has shown tremendous courage in most of the stories she covers. The recent one with John Dean blatantly saying we are facing a Nazi-Germany like fascism movement in the country is a great example. So, I have to think there may be plausible reasons that Goodman doesn't do in-depth coverage of 911 and marijuana prohibition. Even Neil Young, who I consider as the epitome of truth-to-power public figure, initially supported the war on Iraq. I was surprised at how long it took him to come around to the truth. So, even knowledgeable, public figures are having trouble grappling with these issues. The other point is, as FoM says, Goodman and others may feel they need to focus on the middle east war for strategic purposes. That the American public can handle only so much truth at one time. I don't agree with that, but I can acknowledge that is their motivation without having to say they are intentionally involved in censorship.But, as you say, these are crucial issues. Someone needs to be discussing them at high levels and in a very public fashion. It's great that we can touch on them here, but the format of this space is not conducive to the intense, long-term struggle with this thorny problem. A forum that does not jump from news article to news article is required - and one that is as highly visible as possible. For this reason, I primarily post at the New York Times Drug Policy Forum. In my experience, there is no more visible platform for public discussion due primarily to the NYT's world popularity.But the great thing I like here is the sense of community. The people here are the best! And everyone is getting better and better with insightful comment and information/links they contribute. There is so much hope here. Can we use it to help America escape the clutches of fascism? I must believe we can! 
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 06:25:40 PT

About 9/11
I have watched Let's Roll by Neil Young. Explain this to me if anyone can. Todd Beamer's conversation with his wife that fateful day.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on August 16, 2006 at 06:20:53 PT

What Can We Do?
Thanks Celaya and Max Flowers. I have watched Amy Goodman on Link TV a couple of times. I think she makes good points but she seems very unemotional about topics. The 9/11 theory is one that not everyone believes so I can see her staying away from it just to try to keep average displaced Democrats watching her program. Who on the left is believable that has a tv news program that we can watch? I don't believe the mainstream news and watch them more for the pictures they bring us or their handling of Katrina when it hit last year. Here we are trying to save the world but we don't have a stand apart from it all person in leadership roles to help us. What's the answer so we can fix the USA? I guess I'm looking for a leader. I believe in leaders. I believe society needs a leader. We can't self govern because there is always someone who will highjack it for the good of themselves and not the people. We can fight, we can disagree but we need to win. How can we do it?
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Comment #34 posted by mayan on August 16, 2006 at 03:58:36 PT

Thanks for posting that piece on Amy Goodman! 9/11 is truly the "Achilles heel" of the neo-cons. Exposing their complicity is our only hope.
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Comment #33 posted by Max Flowers on August 16, 2006 at 01:03:57 PT

Amy Goodman = gatekeeper
Sorry Celaya, you won't like this take on Goodman, which I agree with...Amy Goodman, Left GatekeeperBy Scott Loughrey 27, 2005 Originally posted in Fall of 2003Amy Goodman should be regarded as a Left Gatekeeper (LG). Left Gatekeepers, like the journalists in George Orwell’s 1984, function to promote the official propaganda of the state. They amplify what is not credible while excluding other voices from challenging the government’s lies of the day.Amy Goodman used to be a hero of mine ( She was particularly heroic in the 1991 massacre by Indonesian military forces in a Santa Cruz, East Timor graveyard. Her deeds there (along with journalist Alan Nairn’s) are the kinds of events that people would get medals for by the President in a sane world.However, since 9/11/01 Amy Goodman (and her internet/radio program Democracy Now!) has achieved enormous popularity while continuing to fail to challenge the Bush regime where doing so is most needed. In particular, whenever the topic of terrorism on US soil is brought up on her program she can be counted upon to repeat government propaganda.By broadcasting the government’s official story of 9-11 Democracy Now! continues to reiterate faulty science. For example, a key component of the Bush regime’s propaganda includes the implication that the number 650 is equal to the number 2000.If more Democracy-activists were aware that the Bush regime was making this assertion it could galvanize the resistance to it. Still, Amy Goodman and DN! continue to tolerate the lie that the two numbers are equal. To the disgust of a growing number of people DN! refuses to include a guest on her show which disputes this (and similar) scientific point(s) advanced by the government.Amy’$ Contract
Before we delve into the specifics of Amy Goodman’s service to the Bush regime, it should be mentioned that her contract with Pacifica is appalling. I have it from names that would like to remain quiet that the financial relationship between Democracy Now! and Pacifica is costing Pacifica more than million dollars in potential revenue a year. If the arrangement that Amy and Democracy Now! has with Pacifica continues, it could bankrupt Pacifica. Progressives should show support for Pacifica by calling for Amy to restructure her contract.The Importance of 9-11
Let’s move to the events of September 11, 2001 which have had an enormous impact on the human race. So far the Bush regime has used 911 to launch two wars of aggression against a pair of largely defenseless countries which play a vital role in the distribution of the world’s oil.Domestically, the Bush regime has used the events of 9/11/01 to install a concentration camp in Cuba. Under the guise of protecting Americans from terrorists, it employed the USA PATRIOT Act to shred the Bill of Rights. It has used 9-11 to disappear thousands of people (i.e., either deporting them or is detaining them indefinitely without charge.)The Bush regime is also using 9-11 in an attempt to introduce new legal standards which erase centuries of judicial precedents. September 11 is also being featured in the campaign commercials for the Bush regime. Finally, the Republican Convention will be held in New York close to the three-year anniversary of 9/11 to maximize the propaganda benefit of the tragedy. Clearly, 9-11 remains a pivotal instrument for the Bush regime to achieve its goals.While the Bush regime freely employs 9-11 for all of its attacks on human rights much of the “left” media continues to broadcast the fictional story of what really happened that day. Left Gatekeepers like Democracy Now! continue to validate the official story of 9-11 and prevent any voice from speaking about some of the innumerable anomalies with it.Democracy Now’s 9-11 “debate”Last September (9/23/03), Democracy Now! made one of its very rare forays into discussing the events of 9-11. Amy Goodman had on two guests, Peter Lance and Richard Miniter. Amy billed the meeting as a “debate”. Both men are authors and were prominently hawking their recent books. Crucially, neither man contradicted the other much.During the telecast, Lance and Miniter both agreed with the official story of 9/11/01. To recap: Flights 11 and 175 crash into the World Trade Center. Burning fuel from these planes melts the steel in the North and South Towers. This causes both towers to collapse in relatively tidy footprints.Later that same day, World Trade Center 7 collapses in its footprint, possibly from fire. (No one with the government has explained WTC 7’s collapse with certainty; i.e., FEMA’s report isn’t conclusive. Meanwhile, the subject of why WTC 7 collapsed has never been discussed on Democracy Now!)With Amy’s approval, Lance and Miniter eagerly promote the central idea that Al Qaeda was responsible for the complete destruction of buildings 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 of the World Trade Center on 9/11/01.They accept (without explanation) that Osama bin Laden, the world’s most famous dialysis patient, was the mastermind of the day’s tragic events. The subject of how 650 and 2,000 are completely different numbers never arises in the broadcast.Democracy Now!’s wretched 9/23/03 broadcast with Lance and Miniter outraged activists around the world. (Someone the author corresponds with now labels DN! as “Disinformation Now!”)While watching the Lance and Miniter show unravel, I marveled at the skill with which Goodman and Democracy Now! were communicating ideas which originated with the Bush regime. No White House spokesperson could have sold the official story better than Goodman, Lance and Miniter did that day. In addition, since this “debate” was aired, the subject matter is apparently closed for all time on Democracy Now!Left Gatekeeper
650 = 2000
Amy Goodman needs to allow an articulate guest to appear on her program capable of mentioning that it is impossible for burning jet fuel to have caused the destruction of the North and South towers of the World Trade Center.Jet fuel is refined kerosene, which burns at about 650 degrees Fahrenheit in the open air. Meanwhile, steel cannot be forged adequately until it is heated up to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for a significant amount of time.Another problem with the idea that burning kerosene melted the steel in the Twin Towers is the fact that that all of the extant documentation from 9-11 reveals black, oxygen-starved fires coming from the North Tower before it collapsed. There is no photograph or video which indicates that the fires were nearing the temperature to melt aluminum, much less the temperature to melt steel.The more one inspects the documentation the more obvious the conclusion becomes that the planes which supposedly struck the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 could not have melted the steel in the Twin Towers under the circumstances we all seemingly witnessed.Even if we could believe that the laws of physics were altered on 9/11/01, and burning jet fuel melted steel that day, the jet fuel from the alleged planes would have caused the towers to twist and bend and fall over, not completely implode in their footprints.The tendency for tall building structures when they collapse is to bend over and crash into surrounding areas. That’s why demolition experts are almost always hired to topple tall buildings in major cities.There is a growing number of people around the world who believe that the Twin Towers fell from a pair of controlled demolitions. Despite the best efforts of the Left Gatekeepers to suppress the movement, conferences are being held to discuss 9-11; books and papers are being published, videos are being produced, new websites appear daily and emails are circulating like wildfire.(An author I highly recommend is Eric Hufschmid. His book, “Painful Questions” argues convincingly that the Twin Towers fell from controlled demolitions. In addition, his excellent video, “Painful Deceptions” introduces more scientific anomalies with the official story of 9/11/01. At this writing there are no plans for Amy Goodman to have Hufschmid debut on her program.)The 911 Truth Movement is battling the Bush regime where it is most vulnerable. Instead of merely reporting on the growing infrastructure of the Bush regime’s planned police state, the activists investigating 9-11 are attempting to remove the justification for each piece of it.They are attempting to isolate some basic ideas that can be delivered to large masses of people. Unfortunately, misguided Left Gatekeepers like Amy Goodman continue to block their efforts at pursuing the path that has the greatest chance of success.Summary
Democracy Now!’s contribution to the global struggle to remove the neoconservatives from power in the US is undermined each day that passes that Amy Goodman fails to invite on her show an articulate critic of the official story of 9/11/01. In addition, what little that has been said on DN! about 9-11 should be regarded as disinformation which is completely at the service of the Bush regime.What many of her critics want from Amy Goodman is for Democracy Now! to speak truth to power on the most important issue of our time. We all know from her past that when she speaks truth to power she can move mountains. Many of us also believe that we’re running out of time waiting for her to get moving.September 11th isn’t an issue like any other. It is the catalyst for the Bush regime’s dramatic expansion of US imperialism and very open foundations for a police state. Activists who are interested in removing the harm done by the Bush regime since 9/11/01 should focus on conveying the scientific anomalies with the official story of that day. To do otherwise is to fight a losing battle.Scott LoughreyForward courtesy of Kanya Vashon McGhee Always...Follow the Money
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Comment #32 posted by Celaya on August 15, 2006 at 22:16:01 PT

Great Links and Thoughts Everyone!
I want to add one. Speaking of the unreliable media, there is one that shines like a beacon. That is Democracy Now. Though Goodman troubles me with her near ignoring of the drug war, her unflinching gaze into malevolent power is awesome. Check out today's interview with former White House Counsel John Dean, who has written, "Conservatives Without Conscience." It's a great interview! -- An excerpt:----**----"What happened in looking for answers, I first went down a lot of bad alleys, where nothing was there. Then I ran into this body of research that really commenced after World War II, where social scientists were trying to figure out if we could ever have in the United States what had happened in Italy and Germany under Hitler and Mussolini. And the short answer was, they found, yes, we could have that. There is clearly an authoritarian personality. [in the U.S. population].... 
Now, are we on the road to fascism? No. The problem is we're not very far from it. And I’m told by the experts in that area that if it comes here, it will come with a smile on its face, and we'll give up things that we’ll wish we’d never given up.... Richard Nixon in his darkest day, in his worst mood, I can't imagine endorsing or recommending torture.... And yet we have a presidency today that is indeed embracing and still pushing for torture as the norm for how we treat detainees. And it is to me just a classic example of a conservative without conscience. It's the authoritarian at his worst." (more - Video, Audio, Transcript)

John Dean -- "Conservatives Without Conscience" 
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Comment #31 posted by ekim on August 15, 2006 at 20:02:05 PT

soul survivor
yes Patrick i wish that the flyers could be given out at csny so Pete can get some help getting the word out. i wonder how rolling stone puts the smell in the paper maybe Patchoulie?could be added to the flyers:) i just have to say how much good feeling all of those here are generating thank you everyonei do feel that a registry and a referral will take seed here.
seems that with one of the biggest insurance owners wanting to help soon cannabis will be covered for cars, health, and more.m-b-c you have a group here and you have one near you u just have not met yet network of physicians across the country who can be found in every major city and state but there should be, and you should be able to find a referral.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 19:15:40 PT

It is a real contrast. I find myself happy when I see the comments about Woodstock and sad when I see anything about the DEA. I can be happy one minute and depressed practically another. It's ok though because we need to know.
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Comment #29 posted by Patrick on August 15, 2006 at 18:56:11 PT

Do I smell Patchoulie?
Whenever I am reminded of the late 60's I think of that scent first before anything else including the wonderful aroma of cannabis. On the other hand, when I detect the scent of patchoulie in the air I image Woodstock, Jimi Hendrix, Peace, Love, Hippies and the whole 60's era. Anyway, I got side tracked reading the link that ekim posted about the DEA exhibit and it's like 180 degrees from the main vibe in this thread. The free speech flyer is very well done. Bravo.
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Comment #28 posted by mayan on August 15, 2006 at 18:25:16 PT

I don't know how those links got scrunched up like that!?!
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Comment #27 posted by mayan on August 15, 2006 at 18:24:13 PT

The Real Terrorists
They have the advantage because they control the media and they have Diebold voting machines!THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Pitch Black Void; Neocon Wet Dream: Jones' false-flag terrorism alert mentioned on FOX News (video):
9/11 Truth Leafletting - Opening Weekend "World Trade Center" - Video Inside:
What to Expect from a Populist-9/11 Attorney General:
Gullible Americans:
911 - The Fairy Tale From Hell: Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA links hogwash (+ Tarpley reply!):
Asbestos Attacks from the White House:
Printable 9/11 Truth Posters:

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Comment #26 posted by lombar on August 15, 2006 at 18:11:15 PT

Who are really the terrorists?
Bush and the congress have done far more damage to the rights of the average citizen of the US than any bugaboos they have conjured up. When the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor, did Roosevelt call for the complete endrun around the constitution that the Patriot Act represents? When london was suffering extreme bombing did Churchil ride on Roosevelts coat-tails?Roosevelt: 'a day that will live in infamy'Churchill: 'we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall never surrender'Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator...":( ...
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 17:21:25 PT

They want to scare everyone so people vote for them this fall. If they were really worried about security they would have plugged all the holes that could cause us a problem. Ranting and raving doesn't fix anything it just scares people unnecessarily.
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Comment #24 posted by billos on August 15, 2006 at 16:43:01 PT

            The "Terrorists" Warn
That BUSH has the advantage
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 16:02:17 PT

Off Topic
Bush Warns That Terrorists Have the Advantage***By Daniela Deane, Washington Post Staff WriterTuesday, August 15, 2006President Bush said today the government is doing "everything in our power to protect" the American people from another terrorist attack but warned again that terrorists have the advantage when attacking the United States."They've got to be right one time," Bush said at the National Counterterrorism Center in McLean. "We've got to be right 100 percent of the time to protect the American people."Complete Article:
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 15:13:33 PT

nuevo mexican 
Yes I do feel it. Actually I have been consumed with it. Each one of us old enough to really remember Vietnam can recall one moment when you knew that you knew that you knew the war was going to end. For me it was when the flower was put in the gun. That was my moment and if we can't get a handle on our own anger how can we win them over to ourside? We can't fight angry people because no one will win. Love, tolerance and peaceful activism can change the direction we are going. The smallest things can redirect history. Think about it. Thank you.
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Comment #21 posted by nuevo mexican on August 15, 2006 at 14:58:01 PT

I thought so! Putting out fires! You go girl!

(Woman), I could see that, you are the greatest, especially when you see a 'flamish' post, even if it wasn't meant to be!Now if bush would learn from you!I seem to be good at sparking, I'll choose to engulf the situation, with a huge dose of H2O!Great image FOM!BTW:
Jupiter, the planet of happiness, travel, philosopy and truth, is in Scorpio through your birthday, so you and Neil Young ARE on a roll! Very expansive, lucky, time to take risks!Are you feeling it? Seems like it!Keep your eyes on Mexico, it is where the action is!(but you wouldn't know it, blackout big time on Mexicos Stolen Election, and the Peoples Takeove of Mexico City, while waiting for the fraud to be unmasked, as it will, and Mexico will be the most authenic Democracy on Planet Earth, as the 'other' Americas' throw off the yoke of killer capitalism!)Prepare for another stolen Election in the U.S., as the MEDIA roots for the bush/fox thief! Shades of our next election to come, so DON'T get you hopes up folks, they have it down PAT, and the MEDIA will make it so!Thanks for all you do, and Mayan of course! Does Mayan have a web-page? When can we put you two on a ballot and vote you into office! LOL!Mexico’s Partial Vote Recount Confirms Massive and Systematic Election Fraud
With Less than 9 Percent of Precincts Recounted, More than 126,000 Votes Are Found to Have Been Disappeared or Illegally Fabricated
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 14:04:14 PT

I never understood what that means. It's pretty though.
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Comment #19 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 14:01:02 PT

"Don't let it bring you down,it's only castles burning,just find someone who's turning,and you will come around."
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 13:50:29 PT

nuevo mexican
I'm just a bucket of water running around trying to put out the fires. That's all.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 13:48:52 PT

nuevo mexican
It's good to see you. I won't watch Fox News. I find it so out of tune with a decent value structure that I avoid it. TV news leads us around by the nose. I watch the news on tv for entertainment purposes only. I do believe hate is what drives the war so we need to learn to not hate. It isn't easy to do but self control has it's place in my life. 
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Comment #16 posted by nuevo mexican on August 15, 2006 at 13:41:58 PT

Fox News sold the War, and is still selling....
that is why the comment was made, NO ONE wants innocents to die, or be kidnapped, UNLESS it's the news models at FOX NEWs and the bush war criminal administration. Period.Then its okay, long as its innocent Iraqi women and children, and reporters that aren't 'embedded' with the bushco war mafia machine.You've gotten good at reading between the lines, FOM, and the poster should have clarified their reasons for saying 'awesome', though I DO know why he would make such a statement, as FOX News carries bushes war water to the masses, of which they seem to drink from, hook, line and sinker.So far, with NO consequences, hmmmmm.....Fox News actually thinks and stands proud to say it, that journalists that die covering the war deserve it, just for doing their job, 'UNLEss THEY ARE SYNCOPHANTS FOR BUSH', (and have sent out a memo telling the station NOT to cover the kidnapping, so watch Fox and monitor it's coverage of the kidnapping of their OWN war correspondents, you won't see any, that's how concerned THEY are, less than us! Go figure!).Enough 'bush'it.....Back to watching murder and mayhem sold as news to make Americans feel GOOD about their idiot prez, as we prepare for certain nuclear bombing of Iran, see how easy we forget last months armaggedon war rattling, then, it's back to our favorite sit-com.Oh, I forgot, were at War! Geez, who would know?Over 3,000 Iraqi citizens have died violent deaths in the last month alone, where's the outrage!
NOT in America!
Unless it's on a stage graced by C,S,N,Y!!!!
Neil IS the MAN!And bush will have his October surprise, and we will all sit by and wonder how he gets away with it, Karma is a bitch, and America will be exposed, and WE will have to right the wrongs, noone else.Peace be with all!
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Comment #15 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 13:41:08 PT

Maybe the new calendar system should be Post Woodstock (so this year is P.W. 37).By the way, I want to let you and everyone know about the blog I'm trying to start over at and I need people besides myself to admin and post things so it can be a community project. I don't want this to be something that any one person has too much control over.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 13:35:51 PT

I didn't go to Woodstock and I never went to an anti-war protest. That doesn't matter to me because I connected with the whole spirit of Woodstock. I hadn't ever smoked pot either. It was deeper then that to me. It was a new way. It was a new beginning. It was hope. It was those things and a lot more.
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Comment #13 posted by museman on August 15, 2006 at 13:23:13 PT

the spirit of 1969 
"It seemed as if the spirit of 1969 evaporated when the last fan squelched off the muddy field."Contrary to popular belief, 1969 didn't arrive at the same time all around the country. Woodstock was not widely advertised on the west coast, and only those who were highly 'tuned in' knew about it until after the fact. San Fransisco and L.A. were directly linked, but the mainstream media was exactly as politically correct then as it is today, so unless you were actually 'hanging out' at Berkely, or Golden Gate Park, the word didn't filter down to say Bakersfield (a Buck Owens town) until months later;"Hey did you hear about Woodstock? I got the record man!"NO internet in 1969.By the time I heard about it, I was on my way to fulfilling my 'patriotic duty'.After that story, I came back to a nation divided against itself. I went looking for the lost 'hippies'. Up and down the coast. In the heartland; Kansas. Missouri.
I didn't go back to the east coast because I had memeories of the 'hippies' there - who threw bottles and cans at us as we walked down the street - because we were military.My hair got long, and everywhere I went there was a few hippy-types, smokin', had the music, the vibe, the culture, but the 'gathering' such as was reported occurred at woodstock eluded me.What happened to the hippy? The Haight Ashbury team made a big ceremony out of 'the death of the Hippy'. And out of that came yippies. Remember yippies? They were direct offshoot of the Merry Pranksters.But that magic and energy had to go somewhere, it didn't just dissipate into the humdrum of mediocrity and become 'yuppiedom.'It did go somewhere. Little known to the rest of us, a branch of the 'hippie' family saw that the thing at Woodstock that was truly the magic, and in some ways the most important aspect, was the gathering itself.As proof of this, I met Wavy Gravy not at Woodstock, but at the Rainbow Gathering.In 1971 the first 'Rainbow Gathering' then called the "Vortex" gathering (there was a "Vortex II" in the '80s) was held in Oregon.
The next year the official Rainbow Gathering of The Tribes began it's annual event, that first year was at Granby Colorado.The 'hippy' movement of the '60s moved on. Those who were only in it for the generational fad and fashion, saw it as only a 'flash-in-the-pan' kind of phenomenon. Rest assured that that spirit which is after all the spirit of peace, love, and understanding did not 'evaporate' at the end of Woodstock.It has matured, grown strong in resolve, and by all indications it is more real, and possessed of greater potential even than that fateful, nostalgic, reminiscent year of 1969.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 13:16:50 PT

I don't want even my worst enemy to be hurt. Hopefully I don't have a worst enemy. It's just wrong. Hate makes more hate and that's all.
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Comment #11 posted by whig on August 15, 2006 at 11:47:46 PT

FoM #5
I agree with you. Nobody deserves to be tortured.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 10:25:15 PT

I only have the DVD of Woodstock. I really love it and watch it a couple of times a year just to remind of how things were.
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Comment #9 posted by Richard Zuckerman on August 15, 2006 at 10:17:12 PT:

I have the CD of the Woodstock event! I play Richie Havens "Freedom" song and the song entitled "Volunteers of America", whenever I play the CD!!!! I also have some of the event in a two VCR tape series! 
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Comment #8 posted by ekim on August 15, 2006 at 09:52:58 PT

Pete talking about DEA protest
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 A Day At the MuseumA number of people have wanted to know how the passing out of flyers went at the museum on Friday. So I've got a little story to tell. And you'll learn...
- That the museum personnel know very little about the constitutional right of free speech.- That if you pay $12 to park, and then pay $11 for a ticket to see the exhibit, and then ask some very cordial and polite questions of museum personnel, a Vice President will come and personally threaten to have you removed from the premises.- There's also a map with colorful shading.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 09:03:42 PT

Two Reviews of CSNY's Freedom of Speech Tour
Rockin in the Free WorldSaturday I, along with none other than the Free Liberal's very own Robert Capozzi, was able to catch Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young in Northern Virgina. The show was an awesome combination of one of the finest rock concerts I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot) and an anti-war rally.***Deja Vu: CSNY is Tunefully Political
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:53:38 PT

Just a Note
I removed the extra post if anyone wants to know where it went.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:51:55 PT

Why is that awesome? They might be tortured and killed. Please stop with the hate.
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Comment #3 posted by SystemGoneDown on August 15, 2006 at 07:43:36 PT

Fox news Alert: Fox News Steve Centanni kidnapped 
Him and cameraman abducted in Gaza. Awesome!
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:33:32 PT

Tie-Dyed Icons of the '60s Try to Define 'Hippie'
By Len Right, Morning Call August 15, 2006Allentown, Pa. — Consider the hippie, that 1960s media counterculture darling who once was so cool and now, four decades later, is often portrayed as a benign, slightly silly loser.But not everyone blushes at being identified with the word. In fact, 11 musical acts from the 1960s - four of whom played at the original Woodstock - are touring together under the banner of Hippiefest, each playing three or four of the songs that made them famous.Complete Article:
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on August 15, 2006 at 07:23:26 PT

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