Use Fungus To Destroy Drug Fields, Souder Says

Use Fungus To Destroy Drug Fields, Souder Says
Posted by CN Staff on May 30, 2006 at 07:09:29 PT
By Sylvia A. Smith, Washington Editor
Source: Journal Gazette
Washington, DC -- If a fungus can be unleashed to kill the plants that produce cocaine and heroin without contaminating the soil, Rep. Mark Souder, R-3rd, contends, the U.S. government should test it and then use it in the drug fields of Colombia and Afghanistan.He’s angry at what he sees as foot-dragging in the Bush administration, especially in the drug czar’s office. “We’re frustrated and amazed at the resistance to looking at alternative methods” of eradicating the drug-producing plants, Souder said.
But the drug czar, John Walters, and his staff say a coca-killing fungus – Fusarium oxysporum – might wreak havoc in the soil, ruining it for any kind of plants, including the crops the U.S. wants Colombian and Afghan farmers to grow instead of coca and poppies. Cocaine is made from coca plants; heroin is made from poppies.The government’s own scientists, however, say those concerns are unjustified, based on tests Walters said haven’t occurred.Fusarium is a naturally occurring fungus that can cause many plant diseases. Each strain of Fusarium oxysporum is thought to attack only one kind of plant. Skeptics, including the drug czar’s office, say it’s not known whether the fungus designed to kill coca plants would spread to other plants or jump to humans. A recent outbreak of eye infections linked to contact lens solution has been blamed on one kind of Fusarium.“It’s an organism that could mutate into another organism that kills everything,” said Thomas Riley, spokesman for the drug czar’s office. “The concern is if it mutates into something else, you’ve unleashed it on the wild.”He said the experiment by federal scientists “although interesting, was not conclusive concerning the safety and specificity of Fusarium.”Souder boils over at that attitude. But his anger at the drug czar’s office was eclipsed by his frustration with the lack of communication among government agencies when he learned – from a journalist – that a coca-killing fungus was identified by the Agriculture Department and tested in Hawaii a decade ago.In those tests – set up to test the effects of chemical herbicides on coca plants – the coca plants inexplicably started to die. Eventually, scientists discovered that a Fusarium in the soil attacked coca plants (but not native vegetation).Adding more Fusarium killed the plants faster, said Bryan Bailey, a plant pathologist with the department’s Agriculture Research Service and the lead scientist on the Hawaii project.That strain of Fusarium kills only coca plants, Bailey said.“We were never able to infect anything other than eruthroxylum coca,” he said, using the scientific name for coca plants.A chemical herbicide also kills coca plants and does so quicker, Bailey said. But the difference is that after Fusarium is in the soil, it will kill coca plants year after year. Chemical herbicides have to be applied regularly.So why doesn’t the government adopt a fungus approach to killing coca, particularly in Colombia, where the U.S. has spent more than $5 billion since 2000 on trying to disrupt the production of coca?“The current herbicide that we are using is effective,” Walters told Rep. Dan Burton, R-5th, at a hearing last year when Burton demanded to know why the tests haven’t been launched.That herbicide – glyphosate – is commonly sold in the U.S. as Roundup, which is used to zap weeds in fields growing soybeans, corn or other crops. In Colombia, it is sprayed from planes on coca fields; the pilots are subject to being shot at from rebels on the ground.But Burton said glyphosate has to be applied every few months, whereas Fusarium oxysporum is a once-and-done treatment.Walters said it’s not clear that Fusarium oxysporum works on coca or that it won’t kill other crops or harm the environment.He said the Colombian government is not willing to allow the U.S. to test the fungus in their country, adding, “I don’t think it is prudent or promising to test it at this time.”Souder said he was unaware of the Agriculture Department’s 1995 experiments in Hawaii and that other government agencies – the State Department and the drug czar’s office – have maintained for years that Fusarium oxysporum remained untested and unwanted by foreign governments.“What the State Department told me is there are environmental concerns for what it does to the soil,” he said.Souder said it should be easy enough to test the Hawaiian fields that are infected with the coca-killing fungus to see whether other crops can grow there. If they can, he said, the Colombian government could probably be persuaded to accept a field test before the fungus is spread throughout the coca-growing region.He said the same approach – a biological herbicide – should be tested on poppy plants with a goal of using it in Afghanistan.But spreading a non-native fungus in farmers’ fields is tantamount to biological warfare, according to an organization created to stop what it says are dangers from biotechnology, and the U.S. has signed an international treaty promising not to use biological weapons in a war zone.“Hostile use of a biological agent is biological warfare,” said Edward Hammond, director of the U.S. office of the Sunshine Project.“If you apply a biological agent by force in a conflict zone, where people routinely even shoot down crop eradication planes, you are damn right that it’s a hostile use. This is the case in Colombia, and the same would certainly apply in Afghanistan,” he said.Colombia produces more than 80 percent of the worldwide powder cocaine supply and about 90 percent of the powder cocaine smuggled into the U.S., according to Drug Enforcement Administration estimates.The amount of Colombian land used to cultivate coca has been cut in half in the past four years, according to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, which says aerial spraying of chemical herbicides is largely responsible for the reduction.Nevertheless, the agency said in its most recent report, 60 percent of the fields now being used to grow coca are new.Hammond said aside from the environmental and biological warfare concerns of launching a biological herbicide into Colombia, “coca farmers will figure a way around it pretty quickly. Has years of spraying chemicals made a dent? Nope. Fusarium oxysporum isn’t a ‘magic bullet’ either.”This year, the House passed legislation that includes a provision calling for the drug czar’s office to develop a plan to test a fungus “in a major drug-producing nation.” It doesn’t specify Fusarium oxysporum, the test country or what plants the fungus should be used on. Action on the bill by the Senate is questionable.It’s not the first time Congress has called for the development or tests of a fungus to kill drug-producing plants. But at a hearing in 2002, for instance, administration officials said the Bush administration hadn’t – to that point – discussed using the coca-killing fungus with the new Colombian government.Now, Souder said, the fungus should be used on coca plants in Colombia.That should never happen, Hammond said.“Yes, of course, coca is not a good crop when it is grown to produce cocaine,” he said. “But the fact that a crop is destined for such a malicious product does not mean that you can suspend the law in your quest to stop it.”Source: Journal Gazette, The (IN)Author: Sylvia A. Smith, Washington EditorPublished: May 28, 2006Copyright: 2006 The Journal GazetteContact: letters jg.netWebsite: http://www.journalgazette.comRelated Articles:Call for Biowar on Drugs Redux 
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on December 01, 2011 at 10:39:01 PT
Sober Second Thought at Least for Now.
Killer mould just too risky to use on cocaine [and cannabis] crops, U.S. decides.
Reuters Nov 30, 2011 – 1:35 PM ET | Last Updated: Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM ET.
REUTERS/David Mercado/Files.
A Bolivian coca grower holds coca leaves during a protest in front of U.S. Embassy in La Paz January 31, 2011.
    * Too many unknowns about using fungi in war on drugs.
    * Farmers could fight back against mycoherbicides-report.
WASHINGTON — Using fungi to kill coca and other illegal drug crops, such as cannabis, would be a risky tactic, as there is not enough data about how to control these killer moulds and what effect they could have on people and the environment, according to a U.S. government study released on Wednesday.
more...[bracketed inserts added above for clarity]
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Comment #47 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 07:56:04 PT
What do you suppose would happen....
should he, Souder, himself, come here to speak to us? What would we say? What would we do.Childlike, I'm afraid I'd want to ask him why he was so mean to some people and could he explain the reasons for the vitriol he seems to exude.(Maybe I'd better not mention "exhuding" anything.)What if Barthwell came here? What would we do? What would we say?Naturally, it would depend on what they say.I know, in the old MAP chatroom we met several on "the other side". Ultimatly, we recognized a tendency in ourselves to kind of surround them and pounce on them, virtually a mountain collapsing on them...a major "pile on", if you will. We'd sometimes chew them up and spit them out. We sometimes had really interesting and good dialogues with LEOs and all shades of prohibitionists and victims.Pretty quickly, we learned to behave in a more seemly and productive manner. Richard Lake and Jo-D were great guides and "watchers" there. I learned so much about what is going on from that experience.
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Comment #46 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 07:42:11 PT
Comment 44 Overwhelm Sam
I think you're right. It certainly appears so.Souder's got a whip and WE ALL look like "Money Changers in the Temple" to him.
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Comment #45 posted by billos on May 31, 2006 at 04:58:21 PT
Is he up for re-election this year??
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Comment #44 posted by OverwhelmSam on May 31, 2006 at 03:58:46 PT
In Souder's Eyes...
God hates us. We are God's unwanted children.
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Comment #43 posted by afterburner on May 31, 2006 at 01:55:58 PT
whig #35
She also forgot to mention that the driver had a "sleep disorder that caused him to doze off repeatedly.""The NTSB, which held a hearing in Washington, D.C., last month to review the incident, found that the driver was under the influence of marijuana and suffered from an undiagnosed sleep disorder that caused him to doze off repeatedly. The board said daycare center operators had been told that the driver had a hard time staying awake and smoked pot."Apparently in Karen Tandy's warped logic a sleep disorder and dozing off repeatedly is not worthy of note, but "marijuana" now that's just downright dangerous. [/end sarcasm]
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:31:52 PT
Me, too.He's as amazing in his stance as a prohibitionist...not to mention tyrant, as cannabis is amazing."Tough Love"...isn't "Love"At all."He would not break a bruised reed."
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:28:36 PT
How IS he?He's harsh and judgmental, I'd venture to say.
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:27:02 PT
Sembler Stooge?
Indeed. He likes to go to the Sembler's little get togethers, I bet.That's tacky of me. Sorry.Bless his heart.I don't know what else to say.Come to think of it...he's tacky...and he's worse...a whole lot worse than tacky.He destroys lives, all the time saying he's saving them.
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:21:32 PT
Lol! Truly. That's funny.
"Spray Souder!""More like a cross between a cackle and a howl!
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:19:22 PT
That sounds like a campaign slogan
"Why would anyone vote for Souder? Don't they realize how he is?"
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Comment #37 posted by mayan on May 30, 2006 at 18:37:30 PT
Better start spraying the whole South American continent as coca production will not cease until demand does. Spray Souder!9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
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Comment #36 posted by ekim on May 30, 2006 at 18:27:41 PT
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Comment #35 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 18:13:08 PT
From Page 5 of the Tandy article on
Those who patrol streets and highways, know that the consequences of marijuana-impaired driving can be tragic. For example, four children and their van driver-nicknamed Smokey by the children for his regular marijuana smoking-died in April 2002 when a Tippy Toes Learning Academy van veered off a freeway and hit a concrete bridge abutment. He was found at the crash scene with marijuana in his pocket.This might give you the suggestion that the cause of the accident in question was cannabis.Once again, here's the rest of the story: As accidents go, the results could not have been worse for the Tippy Toes Learning Academy: four children and their van driver dead, the day care center eventually shut down and its two top officials convicted of reckless homicide. When federal safety officials gathered last month to review the crash, what really infuriated one of them was the vehicle the kids were in: a 15-passenger van.Yes, the very type of vehicle that countless youth agencies use to ferry around thousands of kids every day. This despite the fact that federal safety officials have been warning for years that the vans are too dangerous for transporting kids, and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) essentially recommended again last month that they not be used for that purpose.
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Comment #34 posted by lombar on May 30, 2006 at 18:03:17 PT
This needs to be challenged for total innaccuracy
Myth: Marijuana Is Harmlessfrom Karen P. Tandy, DEAReality: Marijuana Is Dangerous to the UserThe reality is PROHIBITION is far more dangerous than cannabis will ever be. 
Tandy Spreads Myths
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Comment #33 posted by Sam Adams on May 30, 2006 at 16:56:27 PT
souder & bush
whig - you're right, Souder can't do much damage as 1 of hundreds of congressmen. Bush probably is better than Souder! Deep down, Bush knows that he's done many different drugs.  on the war on drugs, Bush seems a lot like Clinton to me. Like a caretaker who lets the various forces within the government do what they want to do. Bush lets them do a little more than Clinton.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 16:17:16 PT
I don't know what motivates his hostility. I just don't understand.If he stands to make money by pushing his issue we should be told.
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Comment #31 posted by Toker00 on May 30, 2006 at 16:13:26 PT
Warning label.
We need to get the FDA to force Souder to have that toxic symbol FoM put on this article, tattooed on his forehead. Any brain that thinks like that needs to be labeled accordingly. I guess he will defend his pharm-profits to the death. Preferably, YOURS! I can't think of a more evil, hateful person right now. Ok, Cheney comes to mind...Toke.
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Comment #30 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 15:49:16 PT
like some of us
hope 'we can live long enough to piss on his earthly grave..
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Comment #29 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 15:12:29 PT
Souder Grapes (I couldn't resist)
I have been following Souder's notorious career as a drug warrior for some time now. Don't forget, he is the one who egged on the FDA into making their 4/20 manifesto that "there are no studies supporting medical marijuana."Hey, Indiana is a farm state, and this guy Souder wants to play fast and loose with a potentially food-supply-destroying fungus. Even the drug-hating reactionary farmers of Indiana must surely be worried.On a cynical note, are the ONDCP warriors really opposed to this fungus, or are they just protecting the corporate interests of Monsanto's Roundup?
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Comment #28 posted by dongenero on May 30, 2006 at 13:48:23 PT
Fusarium fungus
Tidbit from observer's links............Meanwhile, Bausch & Lomb recalled a contact-lens solution last week amid fears that it is associated with the spread of an eye disease across the US. The disease is caused by F. oxysporum.So, the fungus that has been in the news, causing blindness is related to the same fungus Souder wants to unleash on the world in his prohibitionist zeal. Well, I sure hope Souder is a contact lens wearer.
I suppose the best we could hope for is that it ends up blinding mass numebers of people. The worst would be that it mutates, as it easily does, and attacks all of the crops that are most vulnerable to the fungus; chrysanthemum, grape, potato, cotton, vanilla, date, sunflower, coffee, mimosa, avocado, cabbage, celery, squash, soy, tobacco, clover, various melons, eucalyptus, pine trees, sesame, beet, African palm, eggplant, numerous other important cultivars and innumerable wild plants on which wildlife depend. Is it better to have mass blinding of people or mass starvation? This cannabis must realy be some bad stuff!??
Souder being a madman is an understatement.
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Comment #27 posted by observer on May 30, 2006 at 13:16:09 PT
fusarium, more
Questions and Answers About Eradicating Drug Crops
Using Fusarium, Pleospora, or other Biological Agents for biowar on drugs * 29 April 2006"In 1999, Ag/Bio Con, Inc., a Montana-based USDA-connected company with an inside track to Defense Department financing, proposed using a cannabis-killing strain of Fusarium oxysporum in Florida."
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Comment #26 posted by dongenero on May 30, 2006 at 12:20:55 PT
That is an awesome connecting of the dots observer!!!
You rock!Here it is:
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Comment #25 posted by observer on May 30, 2006 at 12:20:00 PT
more on Souder / Sembler nexus ...
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Comment #24 posted by dongenero on May 30, 2006 at 12:12:52 PT
Souder is a madman.I suppose I could understand if he were a government appointed madman. What baffles me is that he is an elected official!Since the country seems to be in a Constitution changing mood (???!!!) why don't we throw Indiana out of the Union. I do not think it would be missed at this point.As for the people there, in the words of Bush, they could decide if they are "fer us or agin us".
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Comment #23 posted by unkat27 on May 30, 2006 at 12:11:16 PT
Sink Souder
I say we use a fungus to destroy Souder.
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Comment #22 posted by observer on May 30, 2006 at 12:07:45 PT
End Justifies Means for Sembler Stooge Souder
“It’s an organism that could mutate into another organism that kills everything,” said Thomas Riley, spokesman for the drug czar’s office. “The concern is if it mutates into something else, you’ve unleashed it on the wild.”Whoa... it must be really really bad for even the Drug Czar's office to make such an admision! Souder is up for re-election? ... He's grandstanding as usual on the drug issue, because, like most politicians, they see little downside to it. Who will stand up and oppose him? Some long-hair freaky lookin' hippies, maybe? (I'm borrowing some freeper-type slurs here, please excuse! Sometimes it is helpful to imagine you're a jail-lovin' faux-kid-savin' self-righteous rabid right wing prohibitionist, you might guess where the next punch is coming from.) Souder's hoping so, for that would play well on his local TV news. Souser, I mean, Souder, has made a political career out of appearing more rabid a prohibitionist than the next guy. Souder's strategem of being more the drug warrior than even the ONDCP fits in with this overall direction to his career, and at the same time lets him distance himself from the politically foundering (unless intel agencies pull another 911 as an October Surprise) and lame-duck Bush regime.
MARK E. SOUDER (R-IN)Top Contributors1 	American Medical Assn 	$10,0002 	Sembler Co 	$7,250
from: The Sembler Co was a top contributor to Souder. I wonder who the Sembler Co could be ... ? think this is the Semblers of Straight, Inc. and other prohibitionist infamy... correct me if I am wrong. So Sembler's money is behind Souder's hell-bent desire to rid the word of cannabis; the end for Souder justifies the means. Souder will say he's going after coca or poppies if he thinks unleashing fusarium on pot (which is of course the real goal) won't go down too well with Souder's target audience.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 11:20:42 PT
Thank you. That is what I want for CNews to be. A place where hate doesn't rule. Hate defeats us. Hate causes us to get sick. Hate hurts people's feelings. Hate makes war. We can only end a war when the two sides sit down and talk. Being different shouldn't stir hate. Being different should be a learning experience. After all we are in this together.
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Comment #20 posted by mai_bong_city on May 30, 2006 at 11:15:50 PT:
Max n' FoM
Max - for sure, souder and bush are already the 'fungus amongus'. also, if you would be so kind as to get in touch with me at the e-mail listed? 
FoM - you are on the money about hate...there is a blogpost on just that today by deepak chopra, that i found to be a little helpful, at least. it is sad that it comes simply down to doing unto others as we would be done to, i guess.....something so plain should be so easy to achieve, it doesn't require great intellect to love and understand goodness. it is unfortunate that some terrific minds have seemingly dedicated themselves to selfish gain and hurtful pursuit. that is why this is a little green oasis in the mire for better example of hope and decency than here at CNews, in my opinion.
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Comment #19 posted by mai_bong_city on May 30, 2006 at 10:56:24 PT
just substitute 'cannabis' for tobacco :)
this was a post i was looking at on drudge about tobacco, and when i replaced the 'tobacco' with 'cannabis' - wow. indeed, yep!
mbcDo you use tobacco in the name (by the authority) of the Lord Jesus? Does the Spirit of God lead you in the use of tobacco? Romans 8:5, "So they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the spirit the things of the spirit."I Corinthians 10:31, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God:". When you use tobacco, can you give God the glory for using it? Or do you wish you had never started using tobacco? Can you thank God that you use tobacco?Does the use of tobacco put young people in the best of company, or in the questionable? I am not saying that all tobacco users are lost, or that they are bad people, for there are many good people that use tobacco. I am saying that there are many bad habits that accompany tobacco, such as drinking, swearing, smart talk, and such. I am asking, "Is it good for young people to use tobacco?" Do you recommend that your children learn how to smoke, dip, or chew?Would Christ have used tobacco? That's very doubtful, isn't it? If you use tobacco, are you being like Christ?Does tobacco belong to a separated people, a people separated from the world by the cross of Christ? I Corinthians 6:19, "What, know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" When we are saved, our body becomes the temple of the Holy Ghost, and we shouldn't defile the dwelling place of the Holy Ghost with ungodly tobacco usage.Posted by happyvalley at 2006-05-30 07:50 AM 
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Comment #18 posted by b4daylight on May 30, 2006 at 10:46:36 PT
OF course you hear no mention that fumagating does not work.It is now headed to Boliva and the government there endorses coca leaves imagine that. What we need is a sound appoarch to a health crisis. 
If you go to this story, it demostrates the need for regulated drugs, so the addict can get clean drugs. That is harm reduction, not harm production. Second we could deilver the message straight to the streets with our humanity we now show. 
 A new death takes toll to 48 in Wayne Co.
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Comment #17 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on May 30, 2006 at 10:07:20 PT
Does Crime Pay?
There was talk on a PBS political show that there is a possibility that Bush may parden the two top Enron executives that where just convicted (163 years for Ken Lay and 180 years for Skilling). It was said that they are good friends of the Bush family and he may consider a parden.
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Comment #16 posted by rchandar on May 30, 2006 at 10:02:32 PT:
...I agree with you. The guy is a real d $%khead. Every article featuring him leads me to the same conclusion.....f %kin' d %k. But remember, Indiana. Which has some of the worst arrest and sentencing procedures in the US48....poison plants and destroy the soil? F %king d#%khead!
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:51:14 PT
Max Flowers
Making something against the law won't stop them. It will stop people who aren't full of hate for Gays though.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:49:18 PT
Max Flowers 
Thanks. It's really true.
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Comment #13 posted by Max Flowers on May 30, 2006 at 08:29:14 PT
This is rich
(May 29, 2006)--President Bush marked Memorial Day by signing a bill that keeps demonstrators from disrupting military funerals.Before heading to Arlington National Cemetery for a wreath laying and speech, Mr. Bush signed the "Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act."This guy's hypocrisy knows no bounds. He lies to start a war, gets thousands of US soldiers killed for no good reason, then has the nerve to do this. I actually agree that it's in horrible taste to protest at a funeral, but the idea of Bush having something to do with "respect for fallen heroes" is sickening when his lack of respect for them is what made them fall in the first damn place! GRRR!
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Comment #12 posted by Max Flowers on May 30, 2006 at 08:22:32 PT
FoM that's a good one
"I hate hate"Excellent!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:20:11 PT
There are few things I hate but hate is one of them. Hate causes wars. Hate is self consuming. Hate serves no purpose. We are in this mess because of hate.My solution is:All we need is love. la la la la la!
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Comment #10 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on May 30, 2006 at 08:18:51 PT
Comment #1
I have no idea why anyone would elect this dumb  ss, but he got 72% of the votes in the May primary. 
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Comment #9 posted by Max Flowers on May 30, 2006 at 08:16:05 PT
Anti-Souder website?
Perhaps those of us who are so dismayed by Souder could start a powerful new website to screw with him and kill his remaining energy... something like or could be devoted to cataloging and exposing all his insane moves and agendas. Maybe if they were all assembled in one place, people could see what a freak he is.
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Comment #8 posted by Max Flowers on May 30, 2006 at 08:12:53 PT
Souder and Bush
Problem is, we have a president who's just as bad or worse in his own way.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:06:39 PT
Thank you. He really is out of control with his hate. 
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Comment #6 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 07:58:48 PT
Souder's still just a representative. He's a fascist, sure, but he's not the president.
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Comment #5 posted by Sam Adams on May 30, 2006 at 07:52:16 PT
FOM, I'm like you - I have changed from being angry at this guy to just being incredulous.  This guy is right out of Nazi Germany.  It's amazing that someone like this could get elected, even in Indiana.Hitler's downfall started on D-day. His smart, merit-based military men wanted to move their resources to Normandy to fight agains the invasion that was already starting. But Hitler, blinded by his megalomaniac ego, stubbornly insisted on focussing their resources on Calais. Even after the invasion was underway, he stubbornly refused to back down & send help to Normandy.The rest is history.  His own generals tried to have him killed shortly after the successful invasion. So my question is, when does Souder's Calais happen? When will he go too far & have to be pulled back by the RNC and the rich people that control him? My analogy from above is quite scary because all attempts to stop Hitler from within Germany failed; he had become too poweful. Even in the face of obvious, fatal blunders like attacking Russia instead of just holding Europe, and the D-day mistake, he could not be stopped until he had completely ruined his country. Most of its beautiful cities were bombed flat, most of the men were killed or wounded, civilians bombed to death or starving.I think we'll undergo a similar experience here before our regime changes, with the total devastation coming from economic collapse rather than military defeat.  What else can we expect from men who are blind to reason and science?
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 07:43:31 PT
Let Souder test it he likes everything! Sorry thinking of a commercial.I guess Souder doesn't know that it's not nice to fool Mother Nature. 
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Comment #3 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 07:40:02 PT
How about we test its effect on humans by letting Mr. Souder try it in his Wheaties?Can I also point out that this kind of eradicationism is a kind of genocide?
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 07:24:02 PT
An Idea
How about if they test it in Indiana? I wonder if anyone would object?
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 07:22:44 PT
A Question
Why would anyone vote for Souder? Don't they realize how he is?
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