cannabisnews.com: Study Finds No Cancer, Marijuana Connection
Study Finds No Cancer, Marijuana Connection
Posted by CN Staff on May 25, 2006 at 19:40:08 PT
By Marc Kaufman, Washington Post Staff Writer
Source: Washington Post
Washington, D.C. -- The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied."This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried.Source: Washington Post (DC)Author: Marc Kaufman, Washington Post Staff WriterPublished: Friday, May 26, 2006; Page A03Copyright: 2006 Washington Post Contact: letterstoed washpost.comWebsite: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ Related Articles:Marijuana Does Not Raise Lung Cancer Risk http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21869.shtmlMarijuana Cancer Risk Played Downhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21870.shtmlNo Link Between Marijuana Use and Lung Cancerhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21866.shtml
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Comment #185 posted by afterburner on June 03, 2006 at 07:07:23 PT
Cannabidiol, a New Wonder Drug
Marijuana Chemical Reduces the Development of Diabetes in Animal Study
BBSNews, NC - May 29, 2006
http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20060529224323705
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Comment #184 posted by potpal on May 31, 2006 at 15:23:27 PT
Now I feel better...
LTE: 20060531I often read BBC world and health news for the different often refreshing perspective. Couldn't help but notice that the recent news re:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=Donald%20Tashkin&
Was not reported in Europe. What worries me is the fact that a negative headline would have made both world and health news. Prohibition is the problem.
http://www.gotestyourself.com
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Comment #183 posted by Truth on May 31, 2006 at 14:28:31 PT
one thing
One thing to keep in mind is it only takes a fraction of the land to feed a human on vegatables then it does to feed a cow to feed a human on meat.
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Comment #182 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 19:46:28 PT
Whig
I don't think we need to abuse animals to feed society. We have plenty of room to grow healthy animals but it will cost more.
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Comment #181 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 19:34:43 PT
FoM
There's a Whole Foods nearby and they have organically farmed meats, but they cost a lot more, maybe twice as much or more than at the regular grocery store much less CostCo. It would be nice to be able to always know that animals are humanely treated, but I think it's something that needs to be universal or it is not affordable to people and it isn't right to have to choose between going broke/starving and being inhumane.
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Comment #180 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 19:22:43 PT
Whig
I think the issue isn't meat or no meat but how we raise our meat supply. Cattle are grazing creatures. If they are raised on grass they won't get as big so they get pumped up with food that will add weight. Antibiotics and animal by products are very dangerous. I want to believe that we are't loading up cattle with those substances but I don't know.
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Comment #179 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 19:10:27 PT
Artificial meat?
I'm not too keen on the idea.I respect people who choose a vegan lifestyle but it doesn't seem healthy to me. I'd rather never have to eat meat if it didn't mean I would feel like crap and lose weight -- and believe me I don't want to lose weight, I have trouble just maintaining at 110 lbs, and I dropped below 100 lbs when I tried eating just vegetables.But artificial food seems worse. Not only do we have no real idea what it will do to our health, it means some companies are going to have patents on our food, and will control everything we eat.It's a moral problem but I try never to waste meat. If I'm not hungry enough to finish I'll wrap it up and eat it later. I get upset when meat gets spoiled.
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Comment #178 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 18:55:01 PT
Dankhank
I know that the way our cattle are cared for I don't know how healthy the industry actually is. No one even says anything when they find another cow with Mad Cow Disease. No one seems to care like they did at first. When we went thru some of the southern states we saw cattle packed in stock yards. I didn't see good shelter or any grass for them to eat. Our neighbor gave us eggs and they looked so rich compared to store bought eggs. Some countries don't eat meat. I know our country has a weight problem and meat is very fattening. We have more colon cancer and I believe that is because of a rich meat diet or at least it contributes to it. http://www.farmaid.org/book/Homegrown.pdf
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Comment #177 posted by Dankhank on May 28, 2006 at 18:23:11 PT
Meat
I've heard that if God didn't want us to eat meat he wouldn't have made it taste so good.Most of us know little of the meat industry. If we had to prepare our own, perhaps few would eat very much ....I still like a steak, though ...
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Comment #176 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 18:12:22 PT
Dankhank
Well that's different. I don't know. If I had to butcher my own meat I wouldn't eat it. I don't eat meat when I cook for myself.
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Comment #175 posted by Dankhank on May 28, 2006 at 17:43:06 PT
OT
Grow our meat?http://www.slate.com/id/2142547/
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Comment #174 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 16:37:30 PT
Hope
Good luck I hope it helps.
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Comment #173 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 16:22:17 PT
IE? No. I'll try it.
Thanks. I know when I checked out that A..hole thing that Truth posted, I had to go to IE, because the Firefox Google Start Page didn't have "I'm feeling lucky" on it. So maybe IE will work.Thanks.
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Comment #172 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 16:02:17 PT
Hope
Are you using IE to hear the the music? I didn't need any plug ins.
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Comment #171 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 15:58:55 PT
Hope
What is seemed you didn't hear often were songs like Woodstock, Won't You Please Come To Chicago, Sky Pilot, Country Joe's songs, The Grateful Dead and other songs and musicians I can't think of right now. The culture of freedom, peace and love and no war were radiating on the radio. Anti-religion but not anti-God. Maybe because I was awakening from being raised a Catholic that it seemed remarkable to me. The hippie culture really loved God. It thought organized religions wasn't where it was happening.Thank you. I have had a good day.
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Comment #170 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 15:53:15 PT
LWR?
Sorry...LWW!
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Comment #169 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 15:48:00 PT
"No more boxes covered in flags"
Stunning.
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Comment #168 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 15:45:59 PT
Been trying to listen to LWR on the net...
It's not coming through smoothly and is choppy and difficult to understand when it stops and starts constantly.I can't get the Dixie Chicks to play on this computer at all, something about plug ins. I know my computer should play it...but I haven't got time to dive into that afore known black hole of the computer world searching for those "missing plugins". A chase in the dark on this computer.
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Comment #167 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 15:41:53 PT
comment 165
:0)Sounds like you'll are having a wonderful, blessed day. Makes me happier just hearing about it.
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Comment #166 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 15:38:37 PT
Protest
I got to hear most of them, if not on TV then from someone else's collection. We got to hear Melanie and of course CCRevival, Dylan,...even Everybody Must Get Stoned (I loved the song but didn't have a clue what he was talking about...maybe a tombstone). Of course we heard Ohio. I didn't hear all of Alice's Restaurant until well after the war and probably heard what little I heard of it on TV before that. Of course, I had heard of it and Arlo, but as I said, never the entire song until many years later. I was so thrilled...and a little angry.The problem was that the favorite radio station among kids around here then was KLIF (AM) that quit playing early in the evening and then we had to tune in a station in Chicago, and they didn't play, that I noticed, the ones that aknowledged you might get out of the war if you were gay or something. Probably one of my favorites was CCR's Run Through the Jungle and another one that had a lot of helicopter noise in the background, that is all I easily recall of it. Of course, Melanie's Lay It Down...Lay It All Down. We heard some, but Texas country girls (Big city girls heard a lot more, I imagine) didn't hear it coming over the AM airwaves...and that was all I had easy access to. The musical variety shows that were so popular on TV then let more of it slip through to us.Maybe it wasn't the South so much as ruralness. I was the only kid that I knew of in my community...even school, that had a "Hi-Fi" record player. I did live part of my childhood in Fort Worth...it was a pretty big city, and Tyler, a little bitty city...but I was too young to be privy to any underground music happenings. We still let out school at my little rural school to pull bolls (cotton bolls) in the fall. We started six weeks earlier than city kids...six hot weeks...earlier, in August, then got out in September to hit the fields. We thought we were lucky!
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Comment #165 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 14:30:21 PT
Hope
Glad you liked it. I try I really do! LOL! I was a mess. My husband was looking at me and smiling. Between the sound of the wop wop wop wop of the mower and LWW playing in my head everything he said I just sang the next line in the song. I had pollen stuck all over my face and he just laughed at me and shook his head.
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Comment #164 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 14:22:10 PT
FoM....Your spirit...
How I love it!
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Comment #163 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 13:53:16 PT
Hope
I was bush hogging if it's called that on the tractor today. I was listening to LWW and I was thinking of Bush and the mower chopping the tall grass and I grinned. I was bush hogging and I wasn't even posting on a blog. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Now you know I must have been in the sun too long. Doing the wheelie thing too! LOL!
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Comment #162 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 13:38:14 PT
Listen To The Dixie Chicks
For those who want to hear the new record it is free online. Enjoy.Dixie Chicks: http://dixiechicks.msn.com/?GT1=8135&Neil Young's LWW: http://www.hyfntrak.com/neilyoung2/AFF23303/
Neil Young: Living With War
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Comment #161 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 12:35:10 PT
Hope
You missed the protest albums from the 70s. The music was so special. When the Dixie Chicks were on the tour to help Kerry get elected they performed with James Taylor. James Taylor looked at the girls with such admiration. It's a beautiful thing to behold. Neil is asking his music fans to please get behind the Dixie Chicks. Musicians with a message are so special and now you will be able to experience what some of us did back in the 70s. Music that makes people talk about important issues. Music that gives people something to debate. It's very good for us and America right now. It's time.PS: The Dixie Chicks said on the tour for change that they felt they missed out by being born after the 60s protests but now they feel apart of it. That's wonderful.
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Comment #160 posted by Hope on May 28, 2006 at 12:13:03 PT
Living with War
I intend to purchase that cd and possibly the Dixie Chicks one, too. Our purchasing their work will show our support for them and what they are saying...and that may be even more important than we realize... and most of us do realize that it is important. They are saying what we want to say, and they make what we are saying more noticable. We definitely need to impower those who speak so well for us.It's been so long I can't remember the last music I bought, but it's been years and years. I've been gifted some new music, like Willie's cannabis leaf cd. But I haven't gone to the trouble of actually finding and purchasing any in a long time. Maybe the last I purchased where some Robert Plant, Counting Crowes, the Wallflowers, and Marcy Playground or the sound track from "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou". Eight or nine years, maybe more.Way to go Neil Young and D. Chicks! We are behind you and what you're are saying. And I for one, am very, very grateful that you have the talent, nerve, will, and guts to say it. Thank you, so much.(Besides that...I could use a little "levitation" myself.)
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 09:36:54 PT
Show Glow
Truth does that count for my levitation? LOL!
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Comment #158 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 09:34:51 PT
Dixie Chicks
This is a link to the Dixie Chicks on Amazon. They still are number one is sales and right now have 309 comments with a 4 star plus rating. If the country music stations think they are preventing them from success they are very mistaken.http://tinyurl.com/hpmnv
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Comment #157 posted by Truth on May 28, 2006 at 09:28:43 PT
clouds
"I tend to live in the clouds for a day or two after seeing Neil. LOL!"We call that the after the show glow.
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Comment #156 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:34:40 PT
Nuevo Mexican
Have you seen the skit from SNL about Neil Young? I have it on this page. It's really funny.http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/war.htm
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Comment #155 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:32:02 PT
Nuevo Mexican
Wow. We are all connected. We aren't alone. That's a great feeling.
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Comment #154 posted by nuevo mexican on May 28, 2006 at 08:19:42 PT
Great song, great album!
Here's some trivia FOM!
The drummer that replaced me in my old band, who supplied me with many pairs of drumsticks, Winston Watson Jr. plays on the song after that, 'Dirty Little Religion'
(as well as touring with BOB.)We are all connected aren't we!That might not have happened had I not had a little car crash, (broke every bone in my face). That was 26 years ago, and I haven't seen a doctor since! (They do ace Bonework, much love you medical technicians and surgeons, nurses and ICUers! You'd never know it from looking at me!)
Peace!Funny how things work out..in the end!
He even played Woodstock with Bob!
Cool huh?
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Comment #153 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:12:50 PT
Nuevo Mexican
I wish we all could get together. Whig and Mrs. Whig will be visiting on Wednesday and Toker00 and Mrs. Toker00 will be coming up from Texas to go see CSNY's Freedom of Speech tour in September with us. I'm afraid that Toker00 will think I'm crazy after we see CSNY. I tend to live in the clouds for a day or two after seeing Neil. LOL!
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:03:01 PT
nuevo mexican
It has been 8 years and almost 22,000 articles and I have no idea how many comments but lots and lots! We had almost 160,000 total hits yesterday and we didn't have any new articles for the last two days. I'm listening to Bob Dylan singing Things Have Changed. I love that song.
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Comment #151 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 07:59:17 PT
Dan B
I agree with you. Buy their music. We need them more then ever!
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Comment #150 posted by nuevo mexican on May 28, 2006 at 07:56:16 PT
You're the Greatest!
That's why we LOVE you here at C-News!Thanks for checking out the Video, heart-warming, and inspiring!(Is is really 8 years now at C-News! Looking forward to the day when we have a get-together!)I don't think we will have to wait much longer folks, the tide has turned, the Sun has set, and Alberto Gonzales will be resigning any day, he thinks he's more powerful than bush, and he might be! Just don't tell bushie-boy, or it will be tantrum-time, uh-oh!Gotta go buy the Dixie Chicks new one, my first 'country' album ever!
(Unless J.J. Cale, The Allman Bros., Neil Young, and the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band are country.....)
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Comment #149 posted by Dan B on May 28, 2006 at 07:55:14 PT
Dixie Chicks
I actually lived in Lubbock (where Natalie Maines, lead vocalist for the Dixie Chicks, is from) for over a decade, and I'm still no big fan of country music. But, when I heard that the Dixie Chicks had decided to stand their ground against this administration, I went out and bought the new CD. My wife likes them, so it's all good. I encourage everyone to support these musicians (Dixie Chicks, Neil Young, Pearl Jam, etc.) who are standing up for peace and truth. More power to them.Dan B
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Comment #148 posted by Dan B on May 28, 2006 at 07:51:05 PT
charmed quark
Thanks for the response. I really just wanted to float an idea and see where it led, but you are correct that I was being less cynical than you. I do appreciate your perspective, and I concede the point that legalization sure looks futile from here. When someone like me starts talking about making allies of corporate America, you know that a sense of desperation is in there somewhere.If I seemed like I commented and ran, I didn't intend to. I was taking care of my son yesterday and didn't have time to go online much.Anyway, take care.Dan B
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Comment #147 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 07:38:12 PT
Nuevo Mexican
We will buy the new album. If I was from the south I would be so proud of the Dixie Chicks.
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Comment #146 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 07:25:45 PT
nuevo mexican
They are really good. I am watching the video on Letterman now. God Bless the Dixie Chicks.
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Comment #145 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 07:19:17 PT
Nuevo Mexican
I haven't watched any videos of the Dixie Chicks but I think there is one on Amazon. I will check it out. I don't have a radio to hear some of these songs. I don't know who some of these people are that you mentioned. I really mostly listen to Neil Young. I believe that the Dixie Chicks have a great future. I heard them when they played with James Taylor and they were good. I feel bad for them because as they shake their country background they are making enemies and it might take them some time to be accepted in the rock music area but it is a beginning and they are young and very talented.
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Comment #144 posted by nuevo mexican on May 28, 2006 at 06:58:25 PT
Did you watch the Dixie Chicks video FOM?
If you didn't, please do, I was brought to tears by the end of the song, I'll post the words so you can follow, though you can understand what they're saying quite well.Can you believe it has come to this? On this Memorial Day, I thank all here and in the world who have stood up to the Neo-Cons, bush et al, and this is what freedom is really about, once the light is 'out of the bottle', there is no putting it back 'in the dark'. 'It's Natures Way of telling us, somethings wrong' - SpiritThe Dixie Chicks on David Letterman:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/23.htmlscroll down for the video and article, and please post what you think, this is BEYOND country, (this is MUSIC) and could be as good as Dear Mr. President by Pink! With the Indigo Girls, just as awesome, women in rock, ROCK!Here are the lyrics!"I'm Not Ready To Make Nice'Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waitingI’m through with doubt
There’s nothing left for me to figure out
I’ve paid a price
And I’ll keep payingI’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I shouldI know you said
Can’t you just get over it
It turned my whole world around
And I kind of like itI made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be overI’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I shouldI’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I shouldForgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waitingAnd Pink!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4&eurlhttp://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pink/dearmrpresident.html
PINK LYRICS"Dear Mr. President"
(feat. Indigo Girls)Dear Mr. President
Come take a walk with me
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestlyWhat do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep
What do you feel when you look in the mirror
Are you proudHow do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me whyDear Mr. President
Were you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
How can you say
No child is left behind
We're not dumb and we're not blind
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hellWhat kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaineHow do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eyeLet me tell you bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
OhHow do you sleep at night
How do you walk with your head held high
Dear Mr. President
You'd never take a walk with me
Would youWOW!FOM: I'd don't think I read your comments, if you did, I'm sorry I missed them, and would LOVE your opinion, from a womans' perspective!Things have changed for the better, remember when Pearl Jam came out and Eddie said bush was an idiot, I think he was the first, then Incubus came out with Megalomanic, a huge hit, but MTV ran from it, after alot of inital airplay, it must've had too much 'truthiness' in the lyrics, eh?Thanks to all musicians who weren't afraid of bush and spoke up when all were cowering under bushes glare!Thanks for the Pearl Jam video! They just about sum everything up, don't they! FOM: did you know Eddie was conceived to a Neil Young album?In case you haven't heard this zep/Floydian musical take on bush, here it is from 2004! These guys rock, and more!The first band from 'the valley (San Fernando, Moon Unit Zappa, remember 'Valley Girl') to make it in years! And they deserve it!http://www.mp3dimension.com/Incubus/Megalomaniac/1. Megalomaniac - (4:54)I hear you on the radio
you permeate my screen, it's unkind but
if I met you in a scissor fight
I'd cut off both your wings on principle alone
on principle aloneHey megalomaniac
you're no Jesus
yeah, you're no fucking Elvis
wash your hands clean of yourself, baby
and step down, step down, step downIf I were your appendages
I'd hold open your eyes so you would see
that all of us are heaven sent
and there was never meant to be only one
to be only oneHey megalomaniac
you're no Jesus
yeah, you're no fucking Elvis
wash your hands clean of yourself, baby
and step down, step down, step downStep down, step down
ooh, step downYeah
you're, you're, you're
you're no Jesus
you're not Elvis
you're no Jesus
you're no Jesus
you're no Elvis
you're no answerStep down, step down
step down, step down, hey, heyHey megalomaniac
you're no Jesus
yeah, you're no fucking Elvis
wash your hands clean of yourself, baby
and step down, step, step down
step down, oh step down
oh, step down, step down
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Comment #143 posted by charmed quark on May 28, 2006 at 06:12:30 PT
BGreen - cannabis and terrorism
BTW Bgreen - what part of Arkansas? I know that state well.
Back in the 70s the appropriatedly named Stone County, Arkansas, made an industry of attracting the "hippies" to the folk festivals in Mountain View and then arresting them for pot possession. It cost about $100 to get let go. People joked that the revenue allowed them to eliminate property taxes there. Meanwhile, in the Northwest part of the state, in the Ozarks, it was a very libertarian place. People there didn't care what you did as long as you didn't bother their cattle. A great state. Very beautiful and friendly.Anywaaaay - I found it very interesting that the attempt to link cannabis to terrorism failed. I was quite upset at the time, considering it a typical example of the abuse of peoples passions about 9/11 that was taking place to further various political agendas. I wonder why it failed? These tactics normally work. Been doing it for over 70 years now. I remember they claimed to have found a small group with some link to a jihadist faction that was trading cannabis for profit. Sort of a very micro-scale version of a very large extremist sect that was doing the same with oil.....
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Comment #142 posted by Toker00 on May 28, 2006 at 05:27:18 PT
Loretta Nall, Yall
I know this has been posted here. I just read it, and was consumed the same feeling I get visiting here with you. She is certainly one of us! Here is the candidate we have been looking for. Some might disagree, and I haven't even read anything else on her, but this woman is on fire. She said she got hot when she stood up to speak. The Spirit spoke through her. See how the Truth, spoken in sincerity, is All Powerful? Not only did she negate her opponents opinions, she CHANGED them. I sure hope someone is watching her back. This lady deserves attention. MEDIA attention.http://nallforgovernor.blogspot.com/2006/05/tuskegee-sheriff-candidates-nall-right.htmlToke.
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Comment #141 posted by Toker00 on May 28, 2006 at 04:51:03 PT
BGreen
Those toothless old men have passed the torch of ignorance on to their sons and grandsons. They still think that communism is the government of Satan, women should be pregnant and barefoot, children should be seen and not heard, the government is ALWAYS right, no matter who's President, etc. I spent almost five years in a small town in sw Ar., where my sisters live. I went from middle income to extreme poverty and almost complete devastation because I refused to hide who I was. They hated me when I politely pointed out their little town was full of crooks. I didn't go to church. They use "Church" as a control tool. Apparently, you can abuse your wife and children seven days a week, drink alcohol seven days a week, be arrogant, hateful, and deceptive seven days a week, but as long as you attend SOME church, (Not that big Catholic one, though) on Sunday morning, you are redeemed, and free to continue on your ignorant way. What's funny is, while I was there and right after I left, Their "church" was wracked with corruption. Seems the secretary had embezzled 400,000 dollars from the church's bank accounts. People wondered how they were living so well on a farmers wage. Then, after I moved back to Texas, I was sent a news clipping about the manager's of a Funeral Home embezzling money that even I had been paid with, to renovate their entire house, including a thirty by twenty Great Room. These small towns are more "clans" than towns. Inbreeding doesn't help this situation, either.Sorry, but some of the South is still stuck in a Pre-fifties world, and their political party is the KKK. It certainly is shameful to the Southern Men who shake this burden, but are forever tied, by ancestry, to this Sadland. Change, come.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #140 posted by whig on May 27, 2006 at 23:57:47 PT
See how we're connected....
http://tinyurl.com/s35wz
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Comment #139 posted by whig on May 27, 2006 at 23:23:34 PT
Haditha & Memorial Day
http://tinyurl.com/evrnn
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Comment #138 posted by whig on May 27, 2006 at 23:13:45 PT
FoM
Sometimes I have felt down and defeated. But if you look back over time, things do change. They change slowly, and quietly, and when no one is looking, and they seem not to move at all unless you are comparing over a long scale. And then it seems to happen all at once.At least that is what I need to believe, because if there is no hope then there is no point to it all, if we are to suffer and die and achieve nothing. But it is easy to feel that way at times, and maybe it is the whole vibe of this particular "national holiday." It is a dark thing, to memorialize war. War should be remembered with regret, with a vow not to allow it to happen again, but here we are and it is happening, and we cannot stop it until it runs its course. Madness.
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Comment #137 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 22:50:34 PT
BGreen
We will see more. The more things change the more they stay the same. Nothing really ever changes. It sometimes seems like a mind set kind of thing.This is how it is. This is how it will stay. That is a strange way of thinking to me. I want to expand my value system not keep it locked in a box.
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Comment #136 posted by BGreen on May 27, 2006 at 22:41:45 PT
Yep, it's all about racism and control
I guess nothing new has been made by the media about cannabis since you-know-who took over the country less than six years ago.I'm surprised they still show the old shows.Since "marijuana" was used to vilify the Mexican immigrants one hundred years ago, I guess we should expect more racism and mentions of "marijuana" to vilify the current Mexican immigrants.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #135 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 22:21:30 PT
BGreen
I'm watching the series again and something I didn't pay attention to before now leads me to believe the drug war was started in the southern states. That's what it seems to me. Blacks and Mexicans and white supremacy seems to be a key factor.
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 22:10:58 PT
BGreen
It is a good series. I would like to see it expanded that's all. We have so much more documentation now on particularly medicinal cannabis. I'd also like to see something on the use of drug testing as a control mechanism.
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Comment #133 posted by BGreen on May 27, 2006 at 21:52:23 PT
Yes, FoM, but the facts of history are important
The one thing that struck me most with this History Channel documentary and the movie "Grass," is that the presentation of how all of the lies that are still being repeated and believed to this day are laid out so clearly. These documentaries expose the lies from their conception, and to the thinking residents of this planet at least, this exposure/disclosure of the lies completely discredits the liars as well as the lies.Honest to God, this really happened to me in a little town in Arkansas about 20 years ago. Mrs. Green and I were down there visiting family and we were in this old country store, listening to some old timers try and talk with their mouths full of tobacco, and they were ranting about those "dope-smoking communists." ROTFLMAO It was all we could do to control our laughter in front of these brainwashed losers, but after seeing the movie "Grass" it all became crystal clear. They had used propaganda to tie together cannabis with communism back in the 1950's, and these rotten toothed old men still believed that ridiculous propaganda crap 30 years later. That is exactly why they recently tried the cannabis/terrorist connection. If more people knew their history then they wouldn't be so gullible in falling for the same lies time and time again.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 21:31:06 PT
Dankhank
I turned on the History Channel and this series has always been a good series but it just doesn't go far enough into the cannabis issue. We are so far beyond where it stops now. They spend more time on cocaine then cannabis it seems to me.
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Comment #131 posted by goneposthole on May 27, 2006 at 20:58:38 PT
earth, the galaxy
http://en.allmetsat.com/images/nrlmry_central_overview.phpJust have a vote on whether or not to legalize cannabis, a national referendum.Those in favor of legalization could vote yes. Those opposed could vote no. Somebody would win, the prohibitionists or those in favor of legalization.
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Comment #130 posted by Dankhank on May 27, 2006 at 20:53:15 PT
History Channel
The dates on those shows are 2000, meaning they were shot probably in 1999.I sent 'em an E last year suggesting it was time for an update on all those shows.They were kind in their reply, but I don't know if they think it is a good idea or not. Of course it is a good idea. Whoever did the 2000 series, just do them again.http://www.historychannel.com/global/feedback/index.jsp?NetwCode=THCinteresting how that link address ends ....perhaps a flurry of emails might make them think ...feel free to try it ...
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Comment #129 posted by ekim on May 27, 2006 at 17:05:48 PT
history of drugs on history ch
from 8-9 coke-a and from 9-10 cannabis
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Comment #128 posted by museman on May 27, 2006 at 16:11:14 PT
Ain't no mistaken
the road less taken,I see us there.But not one lie, one jot, one errorwalks by me when I am awake, and sometimes what seems right to a manis naught more than a way to perpetuate the unholy cycle of self consumption that all here are subject to.It's existence is not validation, but stark denial.
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Comment #127 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 15:35:59 PT
Life and Death
Life is the Light,That shines that LightOn Death
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Comment #126 posted by museman on May 27, 2006 at 15:29:33 PT
no friend of mine
A friend of the devil ain't no friend of mine.Death is not. Life is.
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Comment #125 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 15:27:06 PT
make no mistake
'we are 'all in this together,
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Comment #124 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 15:20:14 PT
the smell
of changetruth and justicethere are tearsthat once wipedcan heal,
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Comment #123 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 15:13:15 PT
that first step
and that first breathcan you remember the smell?of that first breath?
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Comment #122 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 15:04:26 PT
treasure
our commenes,'we can move together,forwardCannabis is the first stepWhen your mind and soul is openedYour first stepThe tears in my eyes
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Comment #121 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:55:34 PT
where are 'we ?
The wind is changing,I can smell "Freedom"
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Comment #120 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:49:57 PT
re: that vision
it is part of this reality
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Comment #119 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:44:51 PT
death
is your friend,that is Gods answer,that can end your vision,
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Comment #118 posted by Dankhank on May 27, 2006 at 14:41:46 PT
loved ...
Asshole ...
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Comment #117 posted by Dankhank on May 27, 2006 at 14:40:05 PT
this must be it ...
this is it, likelyhttp://tinyurl.com/zopkvit's good that the gov't feels the wrath of the law, too ...
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Comment #116 posted by museman on May 27, 2006 at 14:37:24 PT
G_W
These fruits you mention, are but the true reflections of the myriads of right and wrong choices made by the minds that can concieve of them. They are not unbidden shadows from an unknown vastness such as 'the universe.'Death is no gift to me, it is the obstacle in the way. Those millions of smiles that smile no more, live only in their own moments, past to us, and in that hope that shines upon us in that moment when we known time no longer.Life is the displacement of death the destroyer. They are linked more by ignorant choices than universal constants.
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Comment #115 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:35:22 PT
reality
larger prison complexes,more talk of war,street gangs,seems like a totally undernourished society,a world filled with fools,who hunger to be 'first,in power, thirst and Lust,
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Comment #114 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:25:29 PT
yes
the fruits of life and deathshadow all of our reality,
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Comment #113 posted by museman on May 27, 2006 at 14:19:36 PT
G_W
And death? Is that a gift from the universe also?
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Comment #112 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 14:15:37 PT
The Book Of Life
Life is a giftFrom the 'universe
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Comment #111 posted by museman on May 27, 2006 at 13:58:08 PT
remembering
"we're tougher than they are - we can handle it for as long as it takes. i think we were made to be warriors to defend nature and creation, entire." "i think we were made to be warriors to defend nature and creation, entire." "warriors to defend nature and creation, entire." and with all due respect to all the billions of young fools who have lost their lives in protecting the propriety of their kings and princes, in all the wars - these are the kind of warriors that will be remembered in THE BOOK OF LIFE!
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Comment #110 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 13:55:09 PT
Did They
Well, how do you do, Private William McBride,
Do you mind if I sit down here by your graveside?
And rest for awhile in the warm summer sun,
I've been walking all day, and I'm nearly done.
And I see by your gravestone you were only 19
When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916,
Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
Or, Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fir o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest?And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind
In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined?
And, though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart are you forever 19?
Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some glass pane,
In an old photograph, torn and tattered and stained,
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?The sun's shining down on these green fields of France;
The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
But here in this graveyard that's still No Man's Land
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man.
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.And I can't help but wonder, no Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you "The Cause?"
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
And again, and again, and again, and again.This page has been viewed 25341 times
© Eric Bogle
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Comment #109 posted by global_warming on May 27, 2006 at 13:22:40 PT
Let Us Hope
Not another 10 years for the NYT to come to terms with reality.The little answer I got from from the NYT can be surmised from the next words..Thank you for contacting The New York Times on the Web.We appreciate your feedback and have passed it along to the appropriate department. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance to you.Regards,Paul Patel
NYTimes.com
Customer Service
www.nytimes.com/help
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Comment #108 posted by mayan on May 27, 2006 at 13:05:37 PT
Truth
Thanks a ton! I liked when it showed Pills Limbaugh and it said, "This is your a**hole on drugs"!!!Priceless!
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Comment #107 posted by whig on May 27, 2006 at 11:57:10 PT
Truth
That was fantastic. Thanks!
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 10:51:56 PT
Hello
I just came in from mowing and read the cool comments. I don't know all those terms about amps and stuff. It is very interesting to read. Here is a link to the Woodstock Freedom of Speech 06 with CSNY. I'm sure they will film it and make it available for us to buy. I sure hope they do. Back to mowing and more Living With War!http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/event_081306.htm
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Comment #105 posted by E_Johnson on May 27, 2006 at 10:36:29 PT
Do you think it will take them another ten years?
It took the New York Times ten years to quit waffling on medical marijuana.I wonder if it's going to take another ten years for them to look at this lung cancer result and fully accept the implications.The implications are rather hard to believe, I admit, but they're only that hard to believe because the government has been preaching the direct opposite for so long, even liberals feel obliged to kowtow to the party line. It's kind of sad when people are more afraid of pot than they are of cancer.
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Comment #104 posted by Truth on May 27, 2006 at 10:36:05 PT
google
Try this, you'll love it.Go to www.google.com and type in Asshole and then hit Feeling Lucky.
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Comment #103 posted by E_Johnson on May 27, 2006 at 10:29:59 PT
A Stratocaster and a Twin Reverb?
Back in the day, my boyfriend drafted me to play in his band. It didn't last long, because I was in college and it wasn't my dream to be in a band.But wow, the memories you guys are bringing up.That would be so cool if Neil Young used a Twin Reverb. That was the garage amplifier of our generation.
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Comment #102 posted by Had Enough on May 27, 2006 at 10:14:17 PT
Tracks
I can’t say yet, which one I like over the others. All the tracks are good.
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Comment #101 posted by Had Enough on May 27, 2006 at 10:11:53 PT
Sounds
The sound of the guitar amp has a distortion to it that sounds like an old Fender tube amp. Super Reverb with four 10” speakers, or maybe a Twin Reverb with two 12” speakers. That was the sound a former guitar player had in our band. He used a Marshall sometimes, but those Fender Amps kick ass too. Oh what a sound. Les Paul, Fender Reverb amp. Either one Super or Twin.Thanks again FoM, for help steering me to Living With War. My bride loves it too! I hope the neighbors like it. So far over the years, and recently, they have all complimented me on the music we play, and tell me to crank it up, when I ask if it bothers them. Except for one, he called the cops. When they came they really didn’t want to say anything, but he said the one guy had called in and complained, so they had to come out. (I had the stereo in the truck cranked with the doors open). The cop was surprised that it was a car stereo, he was expecting a 10,000-watt setup and a keg party, the way the sound was described to him from the police dispatcher. You could tell he didn’t want to be there. I turned it off and put on the house stereo, about the same volume, he said have a good day, then left. This guy has called the cops several times on the other neighbors too, for various reasons. The next day another one of my neighbors told that guy he shouldn’t be calling the cops on his neighbors over a music issue. They haven’t been back.
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 09:37:38 PT
Had Enough
I can't honestly say what song I like more then another. I love Families because of what it means.It is a dead soldier singing to his family. That's why he wrote it. For those boys who won't be coming home.***I'm goin' back to the USAI just got my ticket todayI can't wait to see you againin the USA.***Coming home in a body bag. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry.
Living With War Lyrics
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Comment #99 posted by Had Enough on May 27, 2006 at 09:30:38 PT
Powerfull Tunes
Yes it is VERY powerful, that’s what I like about it. Music with a message, as it should be. This is the Neil Young I like, you can hear sounds of CSNY.
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 09:24:12 PT
Had Enough
Your post made me so happy. I promise to vote this fall. I will be mowing soon and I will be listening to LWW over and over until I'm finished. What a powerful record this is. God Bless Neil Young. There is a video clip on this link and Neil says why he decided to do Let's Impeach The President. You can see the musicians are blown away when they hear it. It's worth a look and listen. He mentions a rat in the video clip. http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/lww.html
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 09:12:32 PT
A Memorial Day Tribute from Neil Young
The scroll says that there will be a tribute on Memorial Day on Neil Young's web site. I like the fact that he has LWW like CNN. Have a great day.I wish I could go to Woodstock and see CSNY in August but it's a little too much to try to do. We will see them two times so I'm happy.***I'm not goin' back to Woodstock for a while,Though I long to hear that lonesome hippie smile.I'm a million miles away from that helicopter dayNo, I don't believe I'll be goin' back that way.***Think I'll
roll another number
for the road,I feel able to get under any load.Though my feet
aren't on the ground,I been standin' on the soundOf some open-hearted people
goin' down.http://www.hyperrust.org/cgi-bin/m.pl?264http://www.neilyoung.com/
Neil Young: Living With War
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Comment #96 posted by Had Enough on May 27, 2006 at 09:05:54 PT
OT for FoM
Got Living With War. FoM you were so right about this album. You have to hear it from start to finish. I kept hearing the horn sections. As the album goes on you can here them clearer and clearer. That has to be a reference to the border issue. Not sure about others, but when I hear it I think Tijuana Brass. This is very reminiscent of music of the late 60’s; it takes you back to where we once belonged. What initially attracted me to it were your constant references to it, with current issues. The way you kept talking about it, I knew there had to be something to it. So I did it, and very pleased. The tracks are all too good to pick a favorite.Thought about it for a while. Drove past the Wal-Mart several times thinking they probably have it in there, but I don’t like dealing with them. Too many people, too many cars, too small parking spots. My job description requires that I drive a full size pick up with the extended cab, I feel safer having some metal, motor, and height as an added protection. Accidents happen faster than you think, and many times there is no time to respond, give me a Bio-Fueled Hummer :). Those parking lots are made for tiny cars, if you want to call these disposable throw away things they make today, cars. But I also thought, why not buy it there. Why not buy it right from the corporation who detests free thinkers the most? Play on the irony. Instead I went to the K-Mart, I think Sears owns them now, not sure, I think they were in a bankruptcy process. Less people, fewer cars, easy in and out. Record stores are a thing of the past, it appears. They have the fancy ones in the malls, but I feel funny dealing with an adolescent clerk wearing a Hundred Dollar shirt & a Fifty Dollar pair of socks, with Ten lbs of gold hanging everywhere. It’s just not for me.On another note, I always try to encourage people to vote, this action has been recieved in various ways, from angrillay described as Imprecations, to being praised at other times, its OK. I can hardly wait until the day I can burn my soapbox. In the meantime I will carry on. I always try, wherever I go, when opportunity knocks. You have stated that you don’t normally vote in mid term elections, and politics are not your thing, but you will vote this November. Good for you, go vote for the person of YOUR choice, many people have sacrificed for that precious right, don’t throw it away. Voting is one of the last few things we have left, and politicians fear “not getting elected”. It is important to tell your political leaders why you voted for them, and as important why you didn’t. Try it sometime; you might be amazed at the reactions you see. Now how about this? You are going to vote, and I purchased Neil Young’s Living With War, the first album I bought in 20 yrs, sound like a fair trade to me.Remember Memorial Day. They did that, so we could do this.http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/Normandy/Pictures.htmhttp://battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/UScem01.JPG
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Comment #95 posted by Truth on May 27, 2006 at 09:05:01 PT
exercise your right
VOTE!Happy Memorial Day and a big thanks to those that fight for freedom, real freedom.
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Comment #94 posted by Patrick on May 27, 2006 at 08:54:12 PT
Ideas
Now the idea has been firmly planted in the American if not the World’s conscious that cannabis may actually prevent cancer. Of all the things, can you imagine that arguably the most dreaded disease on the planet can be fought off with the most evil and dreaded drug that prohibitionist fear; our little cannabis, hemp plants species commonly called marijuana! Money? I think the wooshing sound I just heard were all the greedy lawyers leaving the room to prepare briefs on behalf of all dead and living cancer patients everywhere for access to cannabis. I can see the drool dripping from the lawyer’s mouth at all the potential penalties that could be levied in class action lawsuits against those perceived as prohibiting cannabis research and the plant itself. What deep pockets could a studious attorney steal from for denying cancer research to millions? Who is responsible for that for the last 70 years? The average junior lawyer must be thinking the pharmaceutical companies certainly come to mind but the dilemma has always been the government’s prohibitions of cannabis so how could a jury blame a pharmaceutical company? Things that make you go hmmmm.The cynical side of me says the “government” maintains plausible deniability in this massive switch in wealth to a new bunch of class action attorneys since Uncle Sam can admit to providing cannabis to 7 patients all along thereby excluding itself from any financial loss. Senior Scapegoat Joe Bureaucrat over in the Justice Department at the DEA was responsible for disseminating all the “correct” information on drug research yada yada yada blah blab blah blah….First time in along time a news story such as this non link of cannabis to Cancer with a hint of preventative qualities has made feel so good about our cause to free the weed. I pray at the least we get a new Schedule of the plant cannabis sativa so it can go back into the pharmacopeias where it has belonged along. Anything less is treason bordering on an outright act of genocide against anyone diagnosed with Cancer. Let the Research flow baby.
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 08:46:50 PT
DankHank
I found this link on your page. Gonzales is bucking Bush I saw on the news today. Something's happening here though it's not exactly clear.Let's clean house from the bottom all the way to the top!http://www.usdoj.gov/
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Comment #92 posted by Dankhank on May 27, 2006 at 08:40:47 PT
Tactics
An obvious tactic for future researchers would be to hypothesize any "expected" deletorious outcomes for a study of Cannabis, then being SUPRISED at the outcome.Surely some have figured this out already, boys and girls ... get to work ....
Register to vote!!!!!
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on May 27, 2006 at 08:26:27 PT
Great Comments
You all are the very best. I hope everyone has a great Memorial Day Weekend. It's 70 here and sunny. Great mowing weather. I have a feeling finding news will be almost impossible because of the holiday but we can keep talking and sharing our ideas on this thread or any other thread if we want. I looked at the stats and for the last two days we have over 440,000 total hits so keep it up if you want. We are being read.
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Comment #90 posted by charmed quark on May 27, 2006 at 07:32:16 PT
Of course, the war on cannabis precedes Nixon
From the very beginning, in the 1930s, the war on cannabis was used as a way to suppress undesirables. Back then it was used to control Mexicans.The laws against cannabis, from the very beginning, were passed in spite of the medical knowledge. The AMA strongly opposed the original laws as cannabis was still a standard in the phamacopoeia. It had fallen somewhat out of favor because of problems doctors had with dosing ( there was no way to determine the amount of THC back then other than by trying it. Each batch came out different) but it was still, for instance, THE treatment for migraine until it was banned.I had thought, in the early 70s, that the science and changing public attitudes signaled an end to the nonsensical cannabis laws that had been in place over 35 years. Instead, the laws were made worst and we have had another 35 years of nonsense. It does make one skeptical.Have a beautiful Memorial weekend and remember all the soldiers who served us in the hope that they have defended our land and freedoms.
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Comment #89 posted by charmed quark on May 27, 2006 at 06:49:07 PT
Dan B - harm maximization
I AM much more cynical than you. I have followed this issue since 1968 or so. In most states, while illegal, it wasn't a strong priority. Under Nixon, a scientific study commissioned by him to determine what to do about the rising level of cannabis use recommended that cannabis be decriminalized. We thought that would be the turning point. Instead, he launched the "drug war".In the early 70's, there was very strong support for full-out legalization. I believe poll numbers at the time showed a majority of people at least wanted penalties reduced. Instead, the Federal laws increased the penalties.Paraphernalia laws were passed to make devices that were suppose to make smoking cannabis safer, such as vaporizers,almost as illegal as the drugs. And there was an official policy of harm maximization, although they didn't call it that. Basically, DEA speakers have said several times that they are strongely opposed, as a matter of policy, to devices or law modifications that make drug use safer, as this will encourage more drug use. Read what the DEA has to say on needle exchanges, for instance.
And even something as innocuous as states' medical cannabis laws, an area I am interested in, has been strongly opposed at the Federal level.Cannabis has got to be the most studied pharmaceutical in the history of mankind. Study after study was commissioned to find harm in the herb. Few did and some found positive benefits. It made no difference. The current study we have been discussing, showing no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer, is nothing new. There have been a number of studies over the last 30 years indicating the same thing.I believe that the Nixon drug war started out as a cultural war and as a tool to suppress the "hippies" and dissent againt the government. But there then arose very powerful interests opposing any positive change in the laws even though this cultural war has probably ended.The DEA, once created, fights to survive and grow. Without illegal cannabis, the vast majority of its mission would be gone. There are also huge numbers of state and Federal police who would be out of a job without cannabis laws. A huge prison industry would be significantly reduced without cannabis laws.And the pharmaceutical industry has nothing to gain with legal cannabis. The draconian laws have made pharmaceutical research on cannabis difficult, but they are slowly starting to make cannabinoid drugs that may be quite profitable in the future. Legal cannabis would cut into these profits. While I don't think this industry is actively supporting the status quo, it probably does help maintain it by the politicians the industry tends to support.I'm not saying the laws can't or won't change, but I've seen this going on for 40 years now with little change other than entrenchment of the DEA and prisons. The special interests supporting the status quo have only gotten stronger. Hopefully, a tipping point will be reached where we will finally change direction. I just don't know when that will be.Peace and love.
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Comment #88 posted by Toker00 on May 27, 2006 at 06:17:29 PT
Cannabis CAN.
This report is an admittance of the Third kind. Contact. At this point, the fear will begin to fade about cannabis. Now the next question: "If cannabis is a preventative of Cancer, what else can cannabis do?" Can cannabis cure callousness? Can cannabis cure cantankerousness? Can cannabis cure carelessness? Can cannabis cure corruption? Cruelty? Congress? Capitalism? Civilisation?They were SURE cannabis caused cancer. They were WRONG. They were SURE cannabis caused craziness. They were WRONG.They were SURE cannabis made you stupid. They were WRONG.They were SURE children needed protection from cannabis. They were WRONG.They were SURE the medical marijuana issue was dead. They were WRONG.Now that Contact has been made with Reality, the Prohibians have no choice but to re-schedule our medicine. Then, for once in nearly seventy years, they will be RIGHT!Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #87 posted by mayan on May 27, 2006 at 04:36:27 PT
Status Quo
The cannabis plant is the people's lifeline to sustainability. The corporate masters that conspired long ago to bring about cannabis prohibition knew this all too well. If the people become empowered it means that those at the top of this top-heavy system lose power. This entire modern economy was built upon the prohibition of cannabis. I just read that CEO's make 170 times more than the average worker and I would bet that the CEO's intend to keep it that way. I hate to say it but as long as the two CFR bound party's are in control they will likely not surrender what has transformed them from servants to masters - cannabis prohibition. THE WAY OUT...Business as usual -- 9/11 and the fall of America:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_842.shtml
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Comment #86 posted by Dan B on May 27, 2006 at 03:37:51 PT
Mike C
That is a good idea, except for one thing: the courts are stacked against us right now. So, it would be a faulty assumption that if we got it to court, the truth would prevail. Courts in this country have little to no allegiance to the truth. If such a case had to go all the way to the Supreme Court (and it almost certainly would if it were to make any headway in terms of changing this country's laws), it would be struck down by right wing ideologues and corporate shills who care more about preserving the status quo than making life better for everyone. The first thing we would have to do, then, is get someone other than corporate shills elected (a tall order, I admit). Then, those people would have to appoint better judges. Once that is accomplished, we might be able to sail a class action lawsuit through the courts.Dan B
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Comment #85 posted by Dan B on May 27, 2006 at 03:27:12 PT
whig, afterburner, FoM, others - thanks
I appreciate the insights of everyone who responded to my argument. My purpose was to try to get us thinking in ways we may not otherwise consider. Yes, there are many corporate interests that benefit from cannabis prohibition (drug testing companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc.). I agree that we would be wasting our time with them.Whig, I fully understand your point, and I appreciate you bringing it up. The fact that corporations are not moral actors is one reason why I thought coming at it from the money angle would be the best option. (Your argument reminds me of a movie that I recently viewed: The Corporation. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand how corporations are destroying human rights and, ultimately, our world.) There is money to be made from legalization, though--just not (for the most part) from corporations that are benefitting from its prohibition now. What I was thinking of was more of a concerted effort toward those who can benefit from cannabis legalization. I appreciate the mention of George Soros, and I am also aware of the support the cannabis legalization movement has received from Peter Lewis (retired CEO of Progressive Insurance) and University of Phoenix founder John Sperling. These three are a great start. And, I know there are others (as Whig mentioned, for example, "Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield [Ben & Jerry's] certainly support us at least in spirit, and profit incidentally from those with a case of the munchies").What would happen, though, if we managed to get a larger dialog going within the corporate community? Such a dialog might spur more people like Soros, Lewis, and Sperling to action. Those three guys are a good example of the fact that money and power make a big difference in this effort. Consider, for example, that the Drug Policy Alliance would not exist without George Soros. Most of the medicinal cannabis laws would not have passed without the financial backing of these generous people. What might we accomplish with ten or thirty or a hundred such people? Publishers might be a good place to start, particularly from the industrual hemp as paper angle. Entertainment as a whole is a huge industry that has already benefitted from cannabis in a number of ways; isn't it time for that industry to give something back? Foreign investors might also put some fuel on the fire, so to speak, by showing us how their models for making money from cannabis can be employed here with great success (as Whig mentioned regarding the Dutch coffee shops).Of course, it is easy for me to talk about these things; it is quite a different matter to put them into practice. I don't have connections to big businesses, but I know that some people here must. Still, there is something that all of us can do (and many have been doing for some time): we can bring up the topic at work. Studies like the one described in the above article are great conversation starters: "Hey, did you hear about that study that showed the marijuana doesn't cause cancer? Makes you think about all those people that get arrested for something that doesn't cause harm like they have been saying it does, doesn't it?" By getting a conversation going among our co-workers, we might eventually enlist the help of those for whom the workers work. Who knows? Maybe unions will also come on board with enough pressure from the workers themselves.Anyway, thanks for participating in my little thought experiment. I appreciate everyone's input.Dan B
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Comment #84 posted by E_Johnson on May 26, 2006 at 23:30:32 PT
I feel so sorry for them
This story is stupendous. It means that the anti-cancer properties of cannabinoids observed in vitro and in animals really do work in humans.Look at what those idiots are choosing -- they are choosing CANCER so that they can look down at us.That's a really sad choice. They're making that choice out of fear and ignorance. And a certain amount of greed too.One day they will finally realize how wrongheaded they've been.
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Comment #83 posted by MikeC on May 26, 2006 at 22:32:13 PT
Class action lawsuit...
Why can't the supporters of cannabis in this country join forces and file a class action lawsuit against the prohibitionists? Clearly the illegality of marijuana is built on nothing but lies...I just don't understand why this can't be done. We're many, many millions strong in this battle and I just don't see how we can lose. Let's get this thing in court and have it be decided by the truth. Marijuana is a gift that we are being denied and it is our right to use it. There is not one valid argument against it. Is this a possibility?Thank you
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Comment #82 posted by afterburner on May 26, 2006 at 22:06:34 PT
RE #73 posted by Dan B
The argument of many prohibition supporters is that if cannabis is illegal, it cannot be legalized because there was a good reason to ban it. We know that this is patent nonsense. Look at slavery, segregation, alcohol prohibition: these "laws" were repealed. People affected started to question their beliefs. Some die-hards were never convinced, but the law changed in spite of their opposition and bigotry.We do indeed live in interesting times full of great potential. "No army can resist the strength of an idea whose time has come." We need to reach out to a broader audience as many here have already done. We need to continue to teach the truth about the health and spiritual benefits of high-THC cannabis and the industrial potential of hemp foods, fuel, and fiber. We need to build bridges to the business world. Educate and regulate. In this regard Canada is far ahead of the USA. We already had a "Summer of Legalization" and experienced unfettered access to cannabis without police repression. We could dream of the cannabis-friendly future during that time and walk tall as valuable citizens, sharing with one another. Medical cannabis is legal in Canada [although the number of legal MM patients is incredibly small], not an FDA-demonized anachronism. Health Canada must heed this latest study too and stop discouraging MM patients from using smoking as an alternative delivery system. PM Harper does not have the votes nor the public support to shut-down the MM program. People in Canada are planning MM businesses, even floating stock issues. They continue to fight the dead cannabis prohibition law in the courts. It's not paradise, but it's not yet a police state either. PM Harper has come out against cannabis decriminalization and harm reduction, but he doesn't have the votes to enforce mandatory minimum sentences for cannabis activities. He has so far proposed specific legislation to introduce mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes and street racing, both of which kill people. If he tries to apply this ineffective mandatory minimum sentences technique, which has been tried and failed in the USA, on peaceful cannabis people, he might lose his government. We call that a vote of "non-confidence," which would necessitate a new election.Canada's MM movement got broadsided by opposition to the Liberals' sponsorship scandal, not that the Liberals were great friends of cannabis patients, devotees and consumers. This minority government hopes to win a majority by spreading fear and hatred. The law of karma says that they will defeat themselves."Global ganja culture should now be going on the offensive. We have the prohibitionists on the run, we have momentum and public opinion on our side, and we must articulate a vision of how we want our culture and our plant defined in the new millennium."- Dana Larsen, Editor of Cannabis CultureDana already has been working on an interesting surprise. Stay tuned. Meanwhile do your own guerrilla theater. Seize the day.
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Comment #81 posted by John Tyler on May 26, 2006 at 21:07:26 PT
in the post
This study was supposed to be final word on the alleged cannabis is dangerous because it causes cancer argument. This study was supposed to end the cannabis legalization movement. However, much to the DEA and the ONDCP and others dismay this study only confirmed the fact that legal tobacco use causes lung cancer while cannabis does not. The prohibitionists have lost one of their crucial arguments as a result of their own study. They cannot legitimately state that studies have show that cannabis is dangerous because it causes cancer and therefore it should remain illegal. Cannabis does not cause lung cancer; in fact cannabis may even act as a preventative. So, smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. You are protecting yourself from cancer.
Conversely, if tobacco causes lung cancer and other diseases and is therefore dangerous to use, and the criterion of legality is said danger, why is tobacco still legal? So one would have to conclude that danger is not a real criterion it is just one of the bogus prohibitionist argument. In any case truth has prevailed today.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 20:54:02 PT
Off Topic But Interesting
When Yes Is Wiser Than `Just Say No'May 28, 2006 Excerpt: I'm not foolish enough to think that my young ones may not experiment at some point. And I certainly don't believe in the effectiveness of "just say no." So I called Jon Anderson, the lead singer for Yes.A father of three, the 61-year-old Anderson recalls the night he met Jimi Hendrix at a party in Munich in '67. "The first thing we did was smoke a joint," he says. The ubiquity of drugs was simply "part of the idea of trying to break down the norm," to challenge conventions.But eventually—"it took me 20 or 30 years to figure it out"—Anderson says he learned some things that he imparted to his children through word and deed. First, if you're going to partake, remember "everything in moderation," including alcohol. Second, it's hard work, not hard substances, that makes creativity flower.Such advice shouldn't be wasted, even if the band is. Complete Article: http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-tm-firstandspring22may28,0,1585948.story
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 20:24:51 PT
I'm Thinking
I have been trying very hard to think of a corporation that might understand but I can't think of one. There is so much money to be made by keeping cannabis illegal. Drug testing is one but more then that it is a control mechanism to keep society in line. Controls make submissive people out of fear. I always wondered why countries let a few people rule and not try to change what is wrong. It's the same thing here too.
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 19:36:35 PT
DanB...Brainstorming!
Some good thoughts and ideas there, Dan. Thank you for sharing. "What better opportunity are we going to have to argue that industrial hemp is the energy-producing wave of the future, but that wave can only come to our shores bearing its myriad economic gifts if the cannabis plant is made legal? What better way to get those who are currently against us to be for us?"There are people who are working very hard on the hemp problem. Your idea that they might consider cannabis legalization as their doorway to get to industrial hemp is probably something they haven't been considering. It looks like the best option to me. Hemp people. Wonder if you've thought about that?
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Comment #77 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 18:58:15 PT
Corporate friends
As If we're going to look for alliances in the corporate world, we'd want to find people who share our values that happen to also have control or influence over corporations that would take some benefit from the association of their product and service with the cannabis community. People like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield (Ben & Jerry's) certainly support us at least in spirit, and profit incidentally from those with a case of the munchies.Following the Dutch example might be instructive, and here I'm thinking particularly of the coffee shop. I doubt we'd find much in common with the executives at Starbucks, but there are other competing chains that might draw a great deal of public goodwill and increase their customer base if they made it known they were cannabis-friendly.I'm sure we can think of some others.Does this help, Dan?
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Comment #76 posted by potpal on May 26, 2006 at 18:43:25 PT
LTE
The BBC suppressed this story too. They normally jump on prohib lines though. Anyone wanna ring their bell?http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=i&q=cannabis+medical
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Comment #75 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 18:32:16 PT
Dan B.
I appreciate what I think you're trying to say, that we can find alliances even with some corporations, but there are some problems with this in my opinion.Corporations are not moral actors, they are enterprises purely focused on maximizing shareholder value and executive compensation. Indeed, for a corporation to do otherwise is to act against its legal, fiduciary obligations. Corporations are not human, they are artificial, impervious to sickness and death, unable to suffer, lacking any emotion.That having been said, there are people who have some wealth and some influence that can be persuaded to our side, and some certainly have been. George Soros, for one instance. Others could be approached and brought to openly support an end to cannabis prohibition, but you must deal with them as individual, human beings, and not through the mechanism of corporate profit interest.Cannabis can never be as profitable to corporations if people are free to grow it for themselves. The strong incentive, to the extent a corporation might favor any loosening of control, would be for them to have special privileges, to sell us packs of chemically drenched cannabis byproduct every bit as toxic as the "tobacco" cigarettes they now sell at every corner gas station, and to deny us the ability to have home grown organic bud of high quality.
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Comment #74 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2006 at 18:02:25 PT
Mayan
Amen! I agree. I was trying to temper my enthusiasm, but I wholeheartedly agree with you. That is something to shout from the rooftops.Dan B
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Comment #73 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2006 at 18:00:19 PT
Re: Charmed Quark's comment
Regarding "Whether or not smoking cannabis is harmful was never a real issue. It was a pure red herring. . . . It's always been about maximizing as much as possible the harm of the drug so that people wouldn't be tempted to use it. If the drug wouldn't do it directly, there was always the prison system to maximize consequences."That statement reflects an opinion that the reason why we have prohibition is because people are just plain evil. The conclusion to such a belief is that there is no sense in even fighting for a change because there will never be one. If all people who believe in prohibition are simply evil people who hate both cannabis and those who use it, why bother? That's a defeatist argument, and I don't buy it. I am guessing that charmed quark may not have meant to come across quite that fatalistic about the issue.Yes, those in power who promote cannabis prohibition but know that it is essentially harmless may have an evil streak, but the majority of the people that want cannabis prohibition want it because they believe the lies that have been told to them by those in power. In other words, they honestly don't know better. They are ignorant of the truth, or they are confused and do not know what to believe. Many of those in power--especially the corporadoes--don't care at all about "harm maximization." They care about how money can best be made, and right now they think prohibition is the biggest moneymaker. If we can set them straight, all we'll have left to fight against will be the loonies who simply hate cannabis and those who use it. (And perhaps the pharmaceutical companies. I addressed my attitude toward them in my previous post in this thread.) You will recall that Henry Anslinger could not have effectively promoted cannabis prohibition were it not for the aid of corporate moguls like William Randolph Hearst.The loonies make up a small minority and can be easily defeated if we would simply develop a coherent, consistent strategy to defeat them. The problem is that people who are most knowledgeable about cannabis and its prohibition tend toward the "let's try to convince everyone that it isn't harmful" tactic, or the ever popular "let's talk about how useful it can be" tactic, and almost always these messages are directed toward those who are already interested in the law enforcement aspects of this issue. This approach will never work because people who hear both sides of this issue (the truth and the lies) end up not knowing what to think, so they give up trying at all. The way to conquer cannabis prohibition is to change the minds of those who promote it. You aren't going to convince a prohibitionist zealot that cannabis does more good than harm. You can, however, convince corporate America that there is more money to be made through legalization than through prohibition. Convince them, and we will have money on our side to promote legalization.We are living in fortuitous times, when petroleum companies are searching for ways to appear more Earth-friendly, and even the petroleum president is paying lip service to getting the country off of oil. What better opportunity are we going to have to argue that industrial hemp is the energy-producing wave of the future, but that wave can only come to our shores bearing its myriad economic gifts if the cannabis plant is made legal? What better way to get those who are currently against us to be for us?In an age when our food supply is tainted with a variety of diseases (mad cow, salmonella, e.coli, etc.) and impurities (bovine growth hormone, pesticides, antibiotics, etc.), what better opportunity are we going to have to tell corporations that hemp seed is nutritious, requires no chemical treatment in order to thrive (therefore is less expensive to grow), and can become a major cash crop because the entire plant can be used for a variety of purposes? Money is to be made!We have plenty of doctors, writers, and teachers spreading the good news about the positive attributes of cannabis, but almost all of them are preaching to the choir. We need business people who are willing and able to sit down with the heads of large corporations and figure out a way to make cannabis prohibition a thing of the past. We need to convince corporate America that new economic opportunities would develop from legalization--opportunities that could propel this country into its greatest prosperity yet, with the side effects of cleaner air, less pollution of our waterways, more trees, and happier people.In other words, maybe our problem is that we have been focusing on the wrong enemies, and we have been demonizing those who could end up being our greatest allies. I'll say it again: it is worth thinking about.Dan B
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 17:57:35 PT
ooooh. Alaska.
Remembering that government "scientist" at those hearings that kept saying "Marijuana is such a dirty drug. It's a very dirty drug."Dirty?
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Comment #71 posted by mayan on May 26, 2006 at 17:48:56 PT
High THC = Safer
Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous.Now, will they come out and apologize for misleading us? Will they stop caging us???Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.Dan B, I'll go a step further. It now seems that higher THC cannabis is definitely safer. The argument that, "It's not your father's marijuana because it's much stronger" is totally blown to smithereens! Murkowski's bill in Alaska should be overturned immediately based on these findings and Murkowski should call a press conference to apologize.THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77:
http://www.physics911.net/olmsted.htmTracking the alleged hijackers and their doubles:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23Cui bono? WTC to be screened in NYC:
http://www.erratikproductions.com/wp/2006/05/25/cui-bono-wtc-to-be-screened-in-nyc-719/DAMNING VIDEO EVIDENCE OF 9/11 PENTAGON ATTACK BLAMED ON OUTDATED NEWTONIAN PHYSICS:
http://www.betterbadnews.com/60BLOGWATCH: Judith Miller, Ken Lay, Florida, 9/11 and The Return of The Forbidden Truths?
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=871The nature of the beast:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_826.shtmlIs Another 9/11 in the Works?
http://www.counterthink.org/019392.html
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Comment #70 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 17:43:47 PT
nice, a tinfoil hat for tandy
blair, the whore is on cspan,trying to convince everyone,that this war on iraqi people,is a just and needed effort,blair is certain that a just and unified iraqis the way to stay the course,yet i read in his words,his argument is solely basedon furthering this current injustice,blair wants to spread democracy,which is another name for slavery,blair wants to impose the same prohibitionist mentalityupon people who have been closer to barbarism than any survivor of current totalitarian systems,i cast my votedown with blair,down with bush,down with chaney,down with ignoranceand greedy powerful people,this earth belongs to the people,let us 'we those people,take chargeand steer this worldcloser towards understanding,closer towards justiceand closer towards everlasting peace,
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 17:35:39 PT
60 gw
People must be released from jails and prisons. Some good effort must be made to restore lives that the government and it's prohibitionists, purposely destroyed in their greed and ignorance. It might be expensive...but it's just giving back some of what was stolen. They won't ever give it all back. It can't all be given back to the victims of prohibition. No way. I'd rather see my tax money go to restitution of our citizens than to the Colombian militarty...any day!In fact it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what is going and has gone totally South to support repression in Colombia.
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Comment #68 posted by Toker00 on May 26, 2006 at 17:12:07 PT
Ms. Tandy's Just Reward.
Maybe Walters can accept it for her.http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/437/tinfoilhat.shtmlToke.
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Comment #67 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 16:50:58 PT
help
can some one find the lyrics,"i touched the bottom lightly "tia
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Comment #66 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 16:19:28 PT
the day
is coming,you know, you feel it,when you can stand freely in front of God,That day when you can transfer your burdenOn to the Infinite Back of God,
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Comment #65 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 16:00:33 PT
and may i tip my hat
to the lowly 'brits,grossly deeper fools,and to the americans,who still live in that doo wop world,
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Comment #64 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 15:55:02 PT
re: Scotland The Brave
pure rubbish,the home of the free and the brave,the home of pure rubbish,
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Comment #63 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 15:39:05 PT
i tried to save my words
written to the nyt,but alas now and then such a fool as i,the gist was,do you report news?or are you some business that only advertises?and is for sale to the highest bidder?
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Comment #62 posted by Sam Adams on May 26, 2006 at 15:32:49 PT
GW - NY times
It's interesting that the Boston Globe ran the piece, and the NY Times didn't. The Globe is much smaller than the NYT, and generally prints a sub-set of the national and foreign news that's in the NYT. This time the Globe ran the article, but with a negative headline. Maybe the NYT put someone in charge of final headlining at the Globe? Or maybe the Globe just isn't as prohibitionist as the NYT. The NYT did print some good stuff on medical MJ around the Supreme Court decisions, though. The Boston Globe is generally good with medical MJ and drug treatment vs. prison type issues. But they clearly don't support anything beyond medical MJ when it comes to the cannabis plant.The NYT is worse. Remember that mini-scandal that hit when it was revealed that the NYT editors were in cahoots with the ONDCP? They were collaborating on articles and journalistic strategy. I think that was from the Mcaffrey days, yes?
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Comment #61 posted by OverwhelmSam on May 26, 2006 at 15:21:22 PT
Evolution
The situation seems to be that we are ready to evolve, but the government is intent on holding the people of the world back. I say we evolve. It's natural, and it's going to happen anyway.
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Comment #60 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 15:15:26 PT
just another nail in the coffin of prohibition
"The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect." The end of this ancient fear is coming, and the many who have been persecuted, prosecuted, and whose lives have been stolen, by the barbarous minded prohibitionists, will have to be atoned, and restitution will become a costly issue.'we can move on as a society, if we can understand to value life on this planet, we can move on.
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Comment #59 posted by global_warming on May 26, 2006 at 14:54:44 PT
just sent an email
to the NY Times,asking why they have not covered this latest news,I hope that my words were tempered with a gentle hand,you know how cranky i can get,as it has been said in many places,one of the galvanizing facts of this prohibition of cannabis,has been the act of smoking and the damage to the lungs,I know the drug warriors will scream and wiggle,one study does not define, and is not enoughto convince those barrel headed warriors,I imagine that those barrel headed warriors,will be more careful in the future,to allow any studies that might revealthat the emporer has no clothes,your slip is showing,
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Comment #58 posted by charmed quark on May 26, 2006 at 14:47:45 PT
Harm Maximization
Whether or not smoking cannabis is harmful was never a real issue. It was a pure red herring. If smoking WAS harmful, the proper response would have been to encourage non-smoking means of administration. But that would have reduced the consequences of drug use and we can't have that. It's always been about maximizing as much as possible the harm of the drug so that people wouldn't be tempted to use it. If the drug wouldn't do it directly, there was always the prison system to maximize consequences.By the way, buried in the articles was the interesting statement that for the middle group, the heavy users, the incidence of lung cancer was LOWER than the non-smokers or the light users. A good indicator of the potential anti-cancer properties of cannabis.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 09:54:40 PT
mai_bong_city
Thank you.
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 09:41:11 PT
Oh Max...You're an angel.
I'll be glad when we can get the binding off your wings.
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Comment #55 posted by Max Flowers on May 26, 2006 at 09:37:26 PT
mai_bong_city
What would you say to some "help" mailed to you? I know people who do this in cases like yours. They know how to mail safely, they're very good at it.
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Comment #54 posted by mai_bong_city on May 26, 2006 at 09:35:30 PT
yep FoM
because if we don't, where will 'we' be? sometimes, i wonder why what created us and cannabis doesn't take better care of us, though. just one of those mysteries, i suppose - you are in my thoughts and prayers especially, dear FoM. for all you do and bear and witness to, i'm grateful. take very good care of you!
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 09:31:39 PT
mai_bong_city
I know it's probably impossible...but I wish you could move to a state that would allow you your truly life saving medicine, cannabis. Your situation, and others like you, breaks my heart. It's a terrible injustice. Don't let it kill you! I think the next year or so will bring us huge strides towards our goal of liberty to just be and consume what we will, without law enforcement ready to pounce.Be strong. Hang in there. I think we have better days a coming. I sure hope we do.
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 09:27:19 PT
mai_bong_city
The most important thing in my opinion is to take care of yourself.
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Comment #51 posted by mai_bong_city on May 26, 2006 at 09:19:08 PT
about docs and medicine
i'll say one thing - i know that somehow, i am teaching something to maybe many.....because of these diseases and the miracle of cannabis, i am proof in their eyes that they can't deny.
it doesn't help me in the shortrun, and it is hard to see the sadness in their faces when they have to tell me there is nothing they can do about getting the medicine i need to survive this.
their hands are tied, but at least they - the docs and many other healthcare professionals - understand that it is real, it is vital, it is life-saving....i'm used to the 'no-answer' - but they can never be used to giving a patient rotten news, i know. they want me well. the state and the federal government stand in the way.
those that still won't take fact and medical/mental proof, they don't like to see me come around, they think my whole life is about medical marijuana activism - i have other issues i hope to address too - but i can't if i can't keep alive, you know?
those are the ones that i want to scream at the top of my lungs at. how can it be a bad thing? i was managing - i was trying to make it and do good and be helpful to others - with cannabis. without it - i become non-functional, a burden to the system and others....
how can they not see? all i know is - someday, they will. and they're maybe going to feel a bit awful about how they treated us. if they felt just one day of the agony of a person denied the only medicine that relieves the suffering, it will be enough. we're tougher than they are - we can handle it for as long as it takes. i think we were made to be warriors to defend nature and creation, entire.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 09:15:44 PT
I Turned Off The News
If I lived in that area I would be moving.
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Comment #49 posted by mai_bong_city on May 26, 2006 at 08:51:21 PT
ty too Hope
i love you guys - gals -
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Comment #48 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:51:10 PT
mbc
I want you to know that I know what it's like to be in pain. I think if more people understood this, there would be more compassion in the world.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:50:55 PT
mai_bong_city
I'm glad you are OK. We're always here if you need to talk.
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Comment #46 posted by mai_bong_city on May 26, 2006 at 08:48:50 PT
i'm okay FoM
now that i'm 'home' :)
and thank you too whig....
be thinking of y'all and wishing the goodness and mercy we do truly deserve -
mai thanks...
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on May 26, 2006 at 08:48:30 PT
mai_bong_city
Oh my. I'm so sorry you are having such a miserable hard time. Hang in there. Please.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:45:40 PT
mai_bong_city
If you want to talk about it we will listen.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:36:03 PT
mai_bong_city
It is fine posting your blog on CNews. Are you ok?
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Comment #42 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:33:33 PT
mbc
I wish I could say something to make you feel better. I'm sorry. It's beyond words I know.
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Comment #41 posted by mai_bong_city on May 26, 2006 at 08:26:30 PT
kinda' OT, kinda' not
i pass on that list of cannabis studies from medpotforum every chance i get - to anyone that will listen - and even presented with fact, they still want to argue and deny - oh, they weren't done in the US, they must be lies....well now we've got a genuine american scientific proof. anyway, i just wanted to put this link to my blog where i wrote about my experience this past weekend in regards cannabis medicine....it's easier than taking up the space to re-post it here, i hope this is okay.
i wish you all a reverent memorial day weekend....good memories and the comfort knowing those that love us are never really gone....love never dies. here's to those that have gone on before us, that look upon us and smile.
peace,
mbchttp://blog.myspace.com/74314604
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Comment #40 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:23:58 PT
FoM
We're scared! Protect us from the terrists! Please listen to our phones! Aaaaaaaa!
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:17:38 PT
Whig
Soon we will be back to our regularly scheduled news. We need to talk about that show American Idol.
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Comment #38 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:13:48 PT
FoM
Gotta keep the public distracted you know.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:11:32 PT
whig
I know I just read it.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:08:30 PT
FoM
Yeah, well Hayden was just confirmed too.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:05:05 PT
Whig
It really is strange how they freak out and they wonder why we don't pay attention.
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Comment #34 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:04:15 PT
Correction
"Shots" were heard in the garage of the Rayburn office building.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 08:03:29 PT
EJ I Wondered That Too
No AP or NYT.
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Comment #32 posted by whig on May 26, 2006 at 08:03:21 PT
FoM
Sounds like a car probably backfired.You'd think it was a major terrorist incident from all the breathless reporting on CNN.
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Comment #31 posted by E_Johnson on May 26, 2006 at 08:02:21 PT
So where's the New York Times?
Are they seriously deciding to censor this story from their readers?Is their science editor that much of a moron?I hope they're just working on a much bigger version of the story.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on May 26, 2006 at 07:47:27 PT
Breaking News
They are reporting that shots have been heard in the Capitol Building. Something about a building called the Rayburn Building.
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Comment #29 posted by goneposthole on May 26, 2006 at 07:46:26 PT
tell a lie often enough, it seems like truth
"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed.
Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." -SchoepenhouerIt also spreads like wildfire.Don't bogart that joint.
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Comment #28 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2006 at 06:38:46 PT
IOM, Tashkin's study, and What To Do
I wanted to point some things out that I don't think have been pointed out yet in quite this way (but if they were, please forgive my restatement). Part One: The main obstacle that the IOM had with regard to the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes was the potential dangers of smoking it. Now, we see that the most feared potential outcome of smoking cannabis has been shown scientifically to be unwarranted. Cancer is not a risk--not cancer of the lungs, not cancer of the neck, and not cancer of the head--and cannabis "may" in fact protect against cancer. Side Note: Those who are aware of the work by Dr. Manuel Guzman and his team (the Madrid study of 2001 that showed cannabinoids reduce the size of brain cancer tumors), as well as the Virginia study published in the 1975 Journal of the National Cancer Institute that showed the tumor reducing effects of cannabinoids for Lewis lung adenocarcinoma, and the 1998 petri dish study that showed the tumor reducing effects of cannabinoids for breast cancer, are already well aware of cannabis's anti-cancer effects. For more information about types of cancer that cannabis has been shown to reduce, I recommend the following article by Robert Melamede (I'll list them here as they are listed in the article; numbers refer to sources cited within the article, which you can also look up if you desire: lung cancer [9], breast and prostate [10], leukemia and lymphoma [11], glioma [12], skin cancer [13], and pheochromocytoma [14]): http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21In short, those who feared (or claim to have feared) that smoking cannabis would cause lasting physical harm are left with the effects it can indeed cause: coughing (which is positive in that it causes the lungs to expel any unwanted irritants) and . . . well, that's about it.Therefore, the IOM study should be revised, given this new information, to reflect the "new" awareness that cannabis essentially causes no harm to the body and, in fact, may help it to fight off cancers. Part Two: The pharmaceutical companies must be scrambling for a rebuttal right now. If cannabis were to be made legal, big pharm (I am not mentioning any specific companies here) would lose revenue not only by people switching from their pain killers and nausea prevention medications to the more healthy cannabis, but also by people switching to cannabis (which helps the body to kill only the body's aging cells and outright cancer cells and seems to leave the rest alone) from the myriad chemotherapies that harm all cells in the body while killing off cancer cells. That is the real reason why big pharm does not want to see cannabis legalized. The goal of big pharm is to make money, not to cure you of your ills. If cannabis, which seems to cure a variety of cancers, were to be legalized, the impact on big pharm company profits would be enormous. Of course, I have not yet begun to mention the potential for cannabis to redirect profits from the current lumber, petroleum, paper, and textile companies, nor have I spoken of the impact of legalizing cannabis on the prison industry (and if you don't think prison is an industry, I suggest that you spend some time studying how prison works and why the United States has the largest prison population, both in terms of real numbers and percentage of population, in the world). We are, essentially, up against Wall Street on this one. So, on the one hand I am pleased to see that the word is getting out not only about the fact that cannabis does not cause cancer, but also about the fact that it seems to cure it. On the other hand, I am not optimistic that this news will bring about the legalization of this medicinal herb--at least not until we have politicians who answer to the people rather than to corporate interests. But there may be another way, if we are truly willing to befriend our enemies.Part Three: What do we do? We might consider creating a message that shows big companies (with the exception, perhaps, of the tobacco industry and big pharm) that they can profit from the cannabis plant. Get lumber and paper companies onboard. Get textile companies onboard. Heck, even get petroleum companies to consider the positive impact that investment in cannabis-based biofuels can have both on their corporate image and on their bottom line. There are inroads to be made, and the best way to beat the companies that want to continue cannabis prohibition is to divide their respective industries against one another.This does not mean that cannabis can or should only be grown by big companies. It means that if we can get industry to favor industrial hemp, we can turn the tables on the pharmaceuticals industry. Something to think about.Dan B
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Comment #27 posted by kaptinemo on May 26, 2006 at 06:37:29 PT:
Reform is like a glacier, moving to the sea
It moves slowly, ponderously, inch by inch, foot by foot, yard by yard, year after year, edging closer and closer to the sea. And then, just before it gets there, it speeds up as the leading edge cracks off and falls away to the water. And kilotons of steel-hard ice crash down on what's unlucky enough to be there at the time...Take a guess which force we represent...and where the antis are standing. They know it. That's why they fight us so hard. It's been a slow, hard grind. State after State after State. Year after year after year. Study after ignored study. But the evidence has piled up so high the dimmest media wonk can see it. The elephant in the living room has gotten so fat it's squeezing everybody against the walls, and they are bulging outwards. It can no longer be talked around, euphemized, misdirected or lied about any longer. Now it's becoming evident, as pundit after pundit is not only taking notice of the underlying problem (the self-serving aspect of prohibition for its' proponents) but like Froma Harrop recently has done, daring to call the prohibs out on it.It was mentioned here repeatedly, for years, that when the media smells blood, they'll remember to act like the hunters they were always supposed to be. There's blenty of 'blood' scent in the air, now, and this latest study is one of the single most damning examples...and now the story has been around the world at lightspeed. This time, Truth has finally caught up with Lie in its race around the world. Let's see the prohibs disregard this one...
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Comment #26 posted by Had Enough on May 26, 2006 at 05:49:41 PT
H.R. 4752: Universal National Service Act of 2006
H.R. 4752: Universal National Service Act of 2006Official Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.Status: Introduced (By Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY])This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced House bills go first to House committees that consider whether the bill should be presented to the House as a whole. The majority of bills never make it out of committee. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
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Comment #25 posted by afterburner on May 26, 2006 at 05:44:54 PT
''Something's got to give.'' --Hope
I'm getting the distinct impression that the Hundredth Monkey [ http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/free/100monk-all.htm ] has discovered the truth about cannabis, and now the legalization and medical "heresies" are becoming commonsense to the public at-large. In other words we have passed the tipping point. We are about to reap the victory that Gandhi spoke of in his inspiring call to struggle for the good fight: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --"Mahatma" Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) Quotes http://www.phnet.fi/public/mamaa1/gandhi.htm
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Comment #24 posted by billos on May 26, 2006 at 05:36:44 PT
............FOX NEWS...........
announced this last night on their MSM program. I couldn't believe it!!!!
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 22:08:47 PT
Hope
I don't know if you or others know that when Vietnam Veterans came home strung out on Heroin they wouldn't arrest them and jail them. Nixon said something like this. War created this drug problem and we will need to help the soldiers. Somewhere along the way when cocaine entered the picture it started to turn more towards jailing a person. I am not a Nixon fan but I do give him credited for thinking that way at that time. I hope they treat our current veterans with the same understanding as they did way back then for Vietnam Vets.
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 22:03:41 PT
The forces that be...governments....
need to stop persecuting so many people. Something's got to give.
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Comment #21 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 22:01:43 PT
FoM Comment 19
Something's got to change. It's got to.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 21:59:50 PT
Of course we have an agenda!
Great work, Kirk Muse!
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 21:58:14 PT
Hope
The only thing holding together the drug war is Cannabis. We don't have many people who use hard drugs but millions who have tried cannabis. The money won't be there to chase people when cannabis laws are finally changed. It will slowly fade away. I know that some people think this way too. I believe the money that fuels the drug war is mostly cannabis related.
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 21:57:51 PT
Very, very good, from Kirk Muse!
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n670/a09.html?397
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Comment #17 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 21:50:49 PT
The Olive Branch...
Sure...I'll extend it. I can forgive. Perhaps some of the prohibitionists and the prohibians (*smile*), really, "knew not what" they were doing. It seems like they should by now, though. I can forgive as soon as they stop torturing, pursueing, persecuting, criminalizing, caging, and demonizing people and destroying our very Constitution itself, over many peoples obvious need or desire to use the plant, cannabis or hemp. Actually I think all of the Drug War is wrong and messed up...bad...as it is. The cannabis prohibition and all it entails, is the MOST glaringly egregious act of all, even though I consider the whole drug war tactic and prohibition wrong. First this. Cannabis Prohibition. Take it down. End it.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 21:34:33 PT
Whig
I have seen this little video but now I am only hearing the audio. The point I wanted to make is Neil didn't want to make Let's Impeach The President but he couldn't get it out of his mind. He said he went into his favorite bathroom and there was a dead rat chewed in half by one of his cats and he took that as a sign. They are practicing the song on this link. Neil isn't angry or hateful but doing what he thinks he should. That to me is how we should do things.LWW Video: http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/video01_wm_ref.html
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Comment #15 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 21:26:10 PT
Prohibians
I want to say something and it may be hard to express in my current, very ordinary state of mind. Anyone who has done wrong, anyone who has harmed another, anyone who has practiced deception, anyone who has supported others who have done these things, you are not condemned except by your own choice to persist in these things. Do you know that you will be forgiven almost immediately, if only you ask it? Do you know that you will be given respect and love if only you will give us the same?I am extending to you the olive branch, and may all of us do the same, and reflect that we all have done some wrong in our own lives, all of us have made mistakes from which we have had to learn, all of us have grown better at accepting our differences from one another. We can do this together.You have only your own hatred and fear that chains you, that denies you peace, while you take only false pleasure in giving pain. You can stop any time. You can stop now. You can be free.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 21:20:35 PT
Whig
Oh I know hate is very much alive these days. I don't want to hate anyone. I didn't feel happy because of the convictions today. I felt bad for the people who lost everything because of what they did at Enron. Who does hate hurt? Hate hurts you.That was a Jewish commerical I remembered from years ago.
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Comment #13 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 21:16:34 PT
FoM
Hate hasn't gone out of fashion yet, unfortunately.All we can do is try not to let ourselves hate back.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 21:11:29 PT
Hope
Maybe as cannabis or marijuana becomes more of a general word the other words will fall away. It's like a Gay person. That is ok to say now but it wasn't all that long ago. Even the movie about gays and cowboys was accepted. To live together in this country we need to drop our prejudices and see people as people. We need to stop putting people off to the side if they have a bad habit, have a intern on the side. etc. We need to do something about the crime that hurts people like what is being exposed in our leadership now. Everyday it falls more and more apart for them. We will win just because we have good motives I believe.
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 21:02:01 PT
I think...but I'm not sure
that our state is enjoying a few less, I hope, dynamic entries, then we did when the Narcotics Task Forces were at their hideous peak.
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 21:00:28 PT
Name callers
Even if your state doesn't have them...we have them...and a lot of other states do, too.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 20:46:38 PT
Hope
I'm glad we don't have people calling people names. I have heard a person referred to as a person who smokes marijuana or pot but not druggies or dopers. We don't have doors kicked in that I have ever heard of. Maybe it's happened but I have never read about anything like that ever.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 20:41:28 PT
More Proof
I don't know how much more proof they need. This war on Cannabis has been going on way too long and it's people that suffer. The plant has never gone away. It's in every country in the world. It is ancient and has been around since the beginning of time. It isn't addicting so why not change the law?
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Comment #7 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 20:41:12 PT
Oh yes...
and they "love" to intimidate, destroy, sieze, vandalize, and pilfer. It's just "druggies" and "dopers" they get to do it to, after all. Just "druggies", and "hippies" and "dopers" and "pot heads". They're not people. Not really. Not that "count" in the narc's and prohibitionist's world, anyway.
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Comment #6 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 20:37:30 PT
I started to say enforcement and prison for
fun and profit industry. I should have. How many times have you heard of or actually heard narcs saying how they love to "Bust heads"? They love it. It's fun to them. They love the "toys". They have so much fun they might as well be "playing". Playing with other people's lives.
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Comment #5 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 20:34:23 PT
And immediately
start unraveling the prison and law enforcement for profit industry.
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Comment #4 posted by whig on May 25, 2006 at 20:21:38 PT
If they want to save themselves...
...they would reschedule Cannabis right away.
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Comment #3 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 20:02:43 PT
It looks like the FDA is going to implode
though, before the DEA. The DEA, like it is now, really needs to go or seriously change it's "mission" into something more reasonable and humane.It's been unbelievable how long information like this has taken to reach the main stream. I think it was known in 72 or 74 in scientific journals and the prohibitionists have kept the lid on this kind of information this long, for perverted purposes. Yes. Perverted. Some of you may remember that day a long time ago when I spent the day e-mailing various media and organizations overseas articles about the tumor diminishing and preventing aspect discovered of cannabis. Aaargh. There were hundreds. And not one single reply. Not one.Ahlzeimers, diabetes, MS, Tourettes, ADS, Fibromialgia, chemo relief. (I'm not spelling any of that right.) The list is staggering. Absolutely staggering. The whole world should have been excited. We should have rejoiced. We should have been hopeful. We should have explored. We should have known. But someone had another agenda.Our leaders and our media failed us miserably. The best thing for them, and us, instead of "heaping up more sins against themselves", is to start making things right. Start making ammends. Right away. Right now.
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Comment #2 posted by Hope on May 25, 2006 at 19:47:03 PT
Finally, though...
A decent headline. The others have been all so...I don't know...tinted yellow, maybe.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on May 25, 2006 at 19:41:44 PT
Washington Post
This surprises me that they even did an article because they seem so right wing anymore.
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