cannabisnews.com: Mexico Proposes Decriminalizing Pot and Cocaine
Mexico Proposes Decriminalizing Pot and Cocaine
Posted by CN Staff on April 28, 2006 at 11:49:13 PT
By Reuters
Source: Reuters
Mexico City -- Owning marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime in Mexico if the drugs are carried in small amounts for personal use, under legislation passed by the Congress.Police will not penalize people for possessing up to 5 grams of marijuana, 5 grams of opium, 25 milligrams of heroin or 500 milligrams of cocaine, under a bill passed by senators late on Thursday and earlier approved by the lower house.
People caught with larger quantities of drugs will be treated as narcotics dealers and face increased jail terms under the plan.The government says the measure allows police to focus on major drug dealers, and President Fox is expected to sign it into law."This law provides more judicial tools for authorities to fight crime," presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar said on Friday.Hundreds of people including several police officers have been killed in the past year as drug cartels battle authorities and compete with each other for control of lucrative cocaine, marijuana and heroin smuggling routes from Mexico into the United States.The violence has raged mostly in northern Mexico but in recent months has spread south to cities like vacation resort Acapulco.Under current law, it is up to local judges and police to decide on a case-by-case basis whether people should be prosecuted for possessing small quantities of drugs, a source at the Senate's health commission told Reuters."The object of this law is to not put consumers in jail, but rather those who sell and poison," said Sen. Jorge Zermeno of the ruling National Action Party.Fifty-three senators voted for the bill with 26 votes against it.Newshawk: Whig Source: Reuters (Wire)Published: April 28, 2006Copyright: 2006 Reuters CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on April 30, 2006 at 21:05:27 PT
whig
The second part is on the right side. It's two videos.
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Comment #92 posted by whig on April 30, 2006 at 20:24:35 PT
FoM
Speaking truth (or truthiness) to power is dangerous, but Colbert did what I think he had to do. If he'd watered it down and made it light and fun, he would have blown his whole character, and lost the point.Here's the whole WH Correspondents' Dinner, if you can download it with BitTorrent. The one you posted was just an excerpt and was apparently only the last half of Colbert's performance.http://www.mininova.org/get/296239
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on April 30, 2006 at 19:42:47 PT
Whig
I found it made me very nervous. I can't believe he said the things he did.
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Comment #90 posted by whig on April 30, 2006 at 18:27:39 PT
FoM
It was pretty great, wasn't it?
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on April 30, 2006 at 09:53:16 PT
Whig
This is Stephen Colbert speaking at the White House Correspondents Dinner. He satirically lambastes the Bush administration and Washington Culture in front of Bush himself as well as big time Washington power players. This performance will soon be legend. Video: http://tinyurl.com/qzox6
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 22:13:57 PT
Whig
Thanks for the link. I found this.http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/decider.html
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Comment #87 posted by whig on April 29, 2006 at 21:43:38 PT
Peace takes courage
http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 21:32:53 PT
Whig
These are Neil Young's words. I don't want anyone to think he said what I said. There I feel better.I never bow to the laws of the thought police
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 21:25:08 PT
whig
I agree with you. We need to think ahead and plan for life and it's possible hazards. I like these words from the song Living With War.I never bow to the laws of the thought policeI believe being aware is our best offense.
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Comment #84 posted by whig on April 29, 2006 at 21:18:09 PT
FoM
I see what you are saying and it is true, if there's an earthquake or some other kind of large-scale disaster you need to get out of danger efficiently and help others if you can, that means you need to be well organized and there need to be people who know what has to be done that lead by example and by providing direction. But sometimes we have to lead ourselves too, and we can't sit around waiting for someone to come tell us how to get out of the burning building, we have to know what to do and do it and get out.
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Comment #83 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 21:04:11 PT
Whig
He did do a good job. My favorite dancing type song is Looking For a Leader. People are different. Some people are leaders and don't follow very well. Some people follow but can't lead very well. An example would be during an earthquake. Some people will freeze and think oh my now what should I do. Another person gets up takes charge and the person follows them and hopefully following them will get the both of them to a safe place. I said all that because we have people and many of them who don't know how to act unless they have a leader. See how I look at it?
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Comment #82 posted by whig on April 29, 2006 at 21:02:59 PT
OT: Stephen Colbert pisses of the Preznit
http://tinyurl.com/rh9ch
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Comment #81 posted by whig on April 29, 2006 at 20:38:00 PT
FoM
He did a pretty good job of keeping the interview on track and not letting himself be misquoted. I bet he told the interviewer he was going to publish the actual exchange so that he would be careful not to misrepresent what was said. The only slightly wrong thing I'd note about the Rolling Stone version was that it didn't incorporate Neil's reservations about Obama ("I did not get a good chance to feel him out...")I actually don't agree with Neil that we need a leader, I think we need to stop being followers and think for ourselves. Certainly I don't think I could conceivably register and vote for anyone in November that I would be comfortable supporting, nor do I want to register any kind of endorsement of the state through participating in its political processes. I'd rather stand on the sidelines and speak honestly about what I think and what we can do as independent human beings without having to seek out permission and petition for our rights. And from this vantage point, too, we can and should condemn the horrific violence that the state is doing to people, and demand it cease in the name of God and all that is good.But I'm just a little Whig, here in my little room, without much of an audience. I can only hope that my words are occasionally heard and amplified by others who hear and repeat them in their own way.Once there was a little man who had to go back and forth just to get home. He laughed and he tried not to cry.This is me and this is our whole movement, and we can laugh sometimes when we don't think about our friends who are suffering right now. This is the returned Christ, whether you believe or not, and it is not important that you believe now, contrary to the false churches who place blind faith and obedience to their interpretations of scripture above your own conscience and divinity, because you are also part of the Christ, you have moral authority to speak and to do what you should do, to say what you should say, without reservation or regret. It's okay to cry sometimes, just not all the time.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 19:34:31 PT
Whig and Anyone Interested
This link is called Rolling Stone Journalistic Process Revealed. I am impressed with how he is making sure he isn't misinterrupted on his meaning of this new album. We should all know that we must be onguard when we type or speak. http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/neilyounginterviewrs.html
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 16:01:09 PT
kaptinemo
I never felt that hard drug use should be a criminal offense. They didn't treat people that did Meth or Heroin that way in the 70s. They always figured they had a drug problem and it was medical if they were using the drug more then they should. What I mean by that is when drug use causes injury to your personal life. I sure don't know when they ramped it up unless it had something to do with Crack. Maybe they were afraid and Crack seemed a way to keep blacks in their place. I can't think of any other reason why the change in the way drugs were dealt with happened. I guess I just believe the drug war is to control folks who aren't white. Sad but that's what I believe they think.
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Comment #78 posted by kaptinemo on April 29, 2006 at 15:53:46 PT:
Out of the clear blue (southern) sky
I have to say this caught me by surprise. But in one respect it always had to happen.Some nation has to challenge the US-fomented UN Single Convention Treaty. It looks like Mexico has been the first. For what they are doing is just that; a direct challenge. The situation down there is vastly less settled than it is up here; Nuevo Laredo is a perfect example of the bleached cleanliness of ivory-tower DrugWarrior myths about drug 'control' meeting up with the dirty and blood-soaked reality laying sprawled on Mex streets.The break had to come. The breach had to crack open. The water behind the dam is starting to trickle through. And the nation worst affected by US DrugWarrior cloud-cuckooland fantasies is the first to say they've had enough. How long before other nations make the same choice? I would say Colombia is next.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 13:34:11 PT
Whig
I just ordered Living With War which is number 3 currently on Amazon in sales (only one day on the sales list) and We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions which is number one is sales now. Lots of people have good taste in music.
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Comment #76 posted by observer on April 29, 2006 at 13:08:02 PT
breaking Mexico decrim news
http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/index.cgi?q=MexicoFun to watch the news break like this... U.S. prohibitionists are apoplectic with righteous indignation and rage for the kids. But mostly U.S. drug warriors are angry for someone having the audacity to disagree with their closely held and newly minted Religion of "Thou Shalt Punish the Pothead". Not jailing pot smokers is sin Number One. They don't give a fig if some Mexicans or native Americans chaw pounds of peyote, not jailing people for a few grams of pot, that's the real sin. That's what's mentioned first. Rule number one: always jail potheads.
http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/index.cgi?q=Mexico
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 13:02:43 PT
OverwhelmSam
It didn't seem right to me either. Why now? The fact that they aren't keeping it to marijuana but including hard drugs which most of the people are seriously against in the USA makes me wonder too.
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Comment #74 posted by OverwhelmSam on April 29, 2006 at 12:55:08 PT
Suspicious Exodus
It is strange that we heard nothing about this and then Wham, out of nowhere Mexico decriminalizes drugs. They probably planned this so all of the marijuana consumers could move to Mexico without worrying about being busted. It then when we get down there, Mexico changes the law to life in prison and rounds us up.
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 12:13:42 PT
Whig
I sure wish clear channel would play these songs. We need a new radio channel. We can call it the anti-establishment music channel or the protest music channel or just down right American music.I opened up my living room window and turned my 150 watt speakers towards outside and cranked it up and played real loud Let's Impeach The President for Lyin'. My husband was working on the tractor and he grinned at me and shook his head and laughed. They probably could hear it miles away I had it so loud. Not really that loud but plenty loud. I wonder why I always have to say to my husband hey what did you say. LOL!
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Comment #72 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 12:09:54 PT
did they make it
to the table
Norman and Nancy Blake,
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Comment #71 posted by whig on April 29, 2006 at 11:53:24 PT
FoM
That was Norman and Nancy Blake.
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Comment #70 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 11:33:26 PT
midnight special
Well, you wake up in the mornin’, you hear the work bell ring,
And they march you to the table to see the same old thing.
Ain’t no food upon the table, and no pork up in the pan.
But you better not complain, boy, you get in trouble with the man.Chorus:
Let the midnight special shine a light on me,
Let the midnight special shine a light on me,
Let the midnight special shine a light on me,
Let the midnight special shine a everlovin’ light on me.Yonder come miss rosie, how in the world did you know?
By the way she wears her apron, and the clothes she wore.
Umbrella on her shoulder, piece of paper in her hand;
She come to see the gov’nor, she wants to free her man.ChorusIf you’re ever in houston, well, you better do the right;
You better not gamble, there, you better not fight, at all
Or the sheriff will grab ya and the boys will bring you down.
The next thing you know, boy, oh! you’re prison bound.
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Comment #69 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 11:28:28 PT
....
the table is fullbut I cannot be thereI never received an invitation,I paid my taxes and dues,yet, I never received an invitation,
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 11:20:10 PT
global_warming
I understand.
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Comment #67 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 11:14:06 PT
regarding anger
ignorance is father to much of this alleged american anger,largely fueled by greedy business people,there is an old saying about being fooled more than once,i think old Abe had said it,as long as you choose to be informedby people like criminal rush limbow,you can expect interest on your dividends,who is that knocking on your door?it is the tax collector,hope you have money,maybe you won't have steak tonight,the tax collectoris having a fine barbecue,what!you didn't get an invitation?
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 11:01:01 PT
global_warming
I am not comparing my comment to anything else. Wrong is wrong no matter what. I just have a serious worry about a war happening because it happened before with blacks in the south. Anger turns people into strange folks. I see anti mexican news on tv and it bothers me.
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Comment #65 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 10:55:24 PT
aint moving to Mexico
just yet, as for your concerns of violence,it can't get much more violent,than in some American prison,it can't get much more violent,than those jack booted dea folks,yep there she is old Karen Tandyand old John Walters,imagine,they have to hire slick madison avenue,to create advertisementsto convince us about drugs,in the meantime, those thick headedbooters, enjoy their pork chops,compliments of the American Tax Dollar,if they could only see,every tax dollar,is sweated in blood and misery,to pay these savior thugs
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 10:38:51 PT
Dr Ganj
It is amazing. I don't know what will happen because of this. I am not really affected like the southern states are with the immigration problem but I do worry a war might be brewing. There is a lot of anger surfacing and they want to be considered legal and that might make some people really angry. I hope it doesn't turn violent.
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Comment #63 posted by Dr Ganj on April 29, 2006 at 10:26:17 PT
Sombreros, Piñatas, Coronas, & DRUGS!!
It's truly amazing how huge this is, and how little I've seen about this on all the major news stations. Oh sure, they mentioned it, as if it were just another small news piece. "Today the price of oil was around 72.00 per barrel, and Mexico decided to legalize almost every drug out there for personal use." "Also in the news...."What did you just say? Drugs are legal in Mexico? Cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana, methamphetamine, peyote, opium and heroin?! And that's just part of the list! My God, I can't believe the bold pragmatism on Mexico's part. Finally, some reason, and sanity by Mexico's congress and their president!
Could this be the turning point on our war on drugs?
What will the US say about this?
What about all the happy tourists returning from Mexico saying they had the best time ever using legal ecstasy while strolling on a moonlit beach in Cabo san Lucas?
What about people openly smoking pelo rojo on the zocalo in Puerto Vallarta? That is freedom, and it's the ability to do things like smoke a joint on your balcony in Zihuatanejo without any fear that will bring similar change here in the United Sates. Let us hope that won't be too much longer.
Hooray for Mexico! www.mexicana.com
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Comment #62 posted by global_warming on April 29, 2006 at 09:58:20 PT
a related article
interesting
Get High, Feel Better, Be Arrested: The Medical Marijuana Battle
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 09:34:18 PT
Paul
I also feel cracks in the wall. Something must give. We can't keep going in our current direction.
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Comment #60 posted by paulpeterson on April 29, 2006 at 09:26:23 PT
FoM
Thanks for the info that Tom Harkin, the Democratic Senator from Iowa has joined Chuck Grassley in calling for John Walters to be fired. Grassley is the Senior Senator and leader of the Senate international narcotics control caucus.There is no way he didn't know about the goings on in Mexico. I believe his strongly worded comments about Walters were timed specifically because he knew about the bombshell coming from Mexico. Remember, his only concerns about marijuana are in its "purest form" which doesn't come from Mexico but from up North.Talk about cracks in the wall of prohibition?Things are shaking up nicely. I spoke with Grassley's local office yesterday and they are awaiting my updates on the local ordinance I have already submitted to BV County.Now we have the heartland firmly going against the Whitehouse. Minneasota may just get a MM bill and Illinois is also arguing a bill in the full Senate. Now Iowa has two Senators crying foul about methamphetamines and the misplaced focus on marijuana. Three heartland states are now poised to join the previously mostly West & Northeast movement.This has got to shake them to the bone. Keep up the good work, people. PAUL PETERSON
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on April 29, 2006 at 08:10:29 PT
whig
Thank you for the music. I don't recognize the musician but I recognize his voice. I disciplined myself and turned my CD player off early last night since I must have listened to Living With War 100 times. Well it's a new day and I'm am listening to it again! I just love this new album. I think as far as a fun song where I can't sit still but clap my hands and dance around it is the song Looking For a Leader and Let's Impeach The President for Lyin is great, great, great!http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/lww.htm
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Comment #58 posted by afterburner on April 29, 2006 at 07:34:51 PT
#s 45, 50, 57
Freedom of Assembly is being attacked once again by heavy-handed thuggery. mayan is correct. Tobacco roll-you-own and joints look similar. The more the prohibs stretch their enforcement, the further they travel from sanity and justice.Cocaine killed the peaceful cannabis culture of the 1970's ushering in Just Say No, forfeitures and mandatory minimums. Can you say Iran-Contra? Now, methamphetamine is plaguing the peaceful cannabis consumers. If coupled with a severe cannabis drought, meth and prescription drug abuse will drive many otherwise peaceful people to violence and ruin. How many people will be manipulated into more binge drinking, prescription drug abuse and meth by harassment of cannabis rallies, dispensaries and cafes? Cannabis - SAFER than alcohol, SAFER than prescription drugs, SAFER than meth. Use your head and keep the faith.
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Comment #57 posted by Had Enough on April 29, 2006 at 06:56:56 PT
50 Bucks
or 30 Pieces of Silver?Comment #45“Police spokesman Lt. Tim McGraw said they received more than 50 calls within the first hours of posting the pictures online Thursday afternoon. He said police were in the process of confirming the tips today."I mean the phones were ringing off the hook," he said.” If the phone was really that busy, more pictures would be stamped ‘Identified”, wouldn’t you think?
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Comment #56 posted by rchandar on April 29, 2006 at 06:54:30 PT:
good news...
...at least it looks like good news. what with the millions of college kids that go down there every year, it's a very good bill to pass and would do wonders at improving Mexico's criminal and corrupt cop image (better have that bribe money in your pocket if you be pulled over). ...as for Rush Limbaugh. I never found him to be all that intelligent, it just seemed like he blew up Republican views and made them a little more interesting. He's never been particularly creative or thoughtful, I felt he simply resuscitated stuff that Reagan developed. and who can forgive him for putting down hemp in front of the whole country, making it popular to view cannabis as a laughing-stock and stupid activity with no real purpose.--rchandar
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Comment #55 posted by mayan on April 29, 2006 at 06:53:36 PT
It Just Materialized!
A small amount of the herb was found in the British Defense Secretary's home, but of course it wasn't his...Cannabis found at John Reid's home:
http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=72853&pt=n
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Comment #54 posted by mayan on April 29, 2006 at 06:37:04 PT
Sneaky!
Mexico to decriminalize some drugs:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1904611From the above linked article..."A delegation from the U.S. House of Representatives visited Mexico last week and met with senior officials to discuss drug control issues, but was told nothing of the planned legislative changes, said Michelle Gress, a House subcommittee counsel who was part of the visiting team. "We were not informed," she said." Awww, poor drug warriors weren't able to intimidate or bribe to get your way. WHAAAAA!
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Comment #53 posted by Larryh on April 29, 2006 at 05:52:35 PT:
Mexico City??? Legalize small amounts ???
Bush will be ready to build that wall between the countrys now. Gotta keep those evil, wicked, mean and nasty drug users from getting in this country. I mean, they'll probably think they can do that over here, in the "drug free" society of the US of A. Illegal immigrants with Illegal drugs....my, my, my where will it end?? :)
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Comment #52 posted by mayan on April 29, 2006 at 05:49:29 PT
Yes!
Universal's 'United 93' message board says "We apologize for the removal of the message boards - due to technical difficulties all previous threads have been inadvertantly deleted. We invite you to renew your dialog and discuss your thoughts on the film."Yeah, right! No big deal, the board is already dominated once again by 9/11 truthers! http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1
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Comment #51 posted by mayan on April 29, 2006 at 05:11:16 PT
released
Not beleased!
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Comment #50 posted by mayan on April 29, 2006 at 05:09:25 PT
A Scanner Darkly
A film to be beleased later this year will star Keanu Reeves, Robert Downy, Jr., Woody Harrelson, Winona Ryder and Alex Jones. This ought to be good...Powerful New Film Expertly Exposes Phony Drug War & Police State:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/280406powerfulfilm.htmFoM, the University of Colorado police can't prove squat just because some kids appear to be smoking pot in some pictures. The evil tokers can just say they were smoking tobacco as many folks now roll their own cigarettes to save money. I don't see what the campus cops can do without some physical evidence. If they do try to discipline anyone there might be some lawsuits. Anyone who would take the fifty bucks is a major loser.On yet another unrelated note, the Achilles heel of the neo-cons is bleeding badly as the mainstream media is in a major panick right now. I have never seen so much talk of the 9/11 inside job on this global bridge that we call the internet since that dreadful September day in 2001. Everything that the cover-up artists try is backfiring in their faces, BIG TIME... Universal's Flight 93 'Hijacked' By Truth Seekers:
Forum moderators deleting entire threads in real time:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/290406truthseekers.htm911Truth.org urges nationwide response to United 93:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060427045349879Did Flight 93 really happen as We were Told?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/28/2242/49415The questions that "United 93" can't answer:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060426233108945
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Comment #49 posted by whig on April 28, 2006 at 23:39:40 PT
OT: Music for FoM
http://tinyurl.com/g7ekp
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Comment #48 posted by whig on April 28, 2006 at 22:59:48 PT
OT: Ex-Head of F.D.A. Faces Criminal Inquiry
http://tinyurl.com/ppjfuExcerpt:WASHINGTON, April 28 — Dr. Lester M. Crawford, the former commissioner of food and drugs, is under criminal investigation by a federal grand jury over accusations of financial improprieties and false statements to Congress, his lawyer said Friday.The lawyer, Barbara Van Gelder, would not discuss the accusations further. In a court hearing held by telephone on Thursday, she told a federal magistrate that she would instruct Dr. Crawford to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination if ordered to answer questions this week about his actions as head of the Food and Drug Administration, according to a transcript of the hearing.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 21:36:53 PT
Just a Comment
Comment 44 is missing. I made a mistake and removed it and reposted the article. That's all for now.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 21:35:02 PT
RMN: Drug Czar To Visit Denver
By Rocky Mountain News April 28, 2006John Walters, director of National Drug Control Policy, will be in Colorado Sunday and Monday to discuss marijuana use with state officials and talk with high school athletic directors about steroid use. On Friday, Sens. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, asked President Bush to fire Walters for focusing too much on marijuana and not enough on methamphetamines. Sens. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., and John Salazar, D-Colo., weren't available for comment. Walters was in Colorado in February and is returning, in part, because Denver passed an initiative to legalize marijuana use in the city, and petitions are circulating to lift the restrictions statewide.Copyright: 2006 The E.W. Scripps Co.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 21:30:12 PT
I Am Shocked By This
Would You Turn This Girl In?Wanted: Stoned and alivecolorado.edu Pictures: http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/04/28/smoking_o.jpghttp://www.colorado.edu/police/420_Photo_Album/index.htm University of Colorado police have posted pictures of 150 people on a website smoking pot on the "420" day celebration last week and are offering a $50 reward for anyone who can identify them.By Ivan Moreno, Rocky Mountain News April 28, 2006University of Colorado police have posted pictures of 150 people on a website smoking pot on the "420" day celebration last week and are offering a $50 reward for anyone who can identify them. Police spokesman Lt. Tim McGraw said they received more than 50 calls within the first hours of posting the pictures online Thursday afternoon. He said police were in the process of confirming the tips today. "I mean the phones were ringing off the hook," he said. The pictures were taken by people in the crowd at Farrand Field on April 20, a day of revelry for marijuana smokers. Anyone who knows people in the pictures is asked to call 303-492-8168. The $50 reward will be given to the first caller who correctly identifies someone pictured on the site. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/home/article/0,1299,DRMN_1_4658379,00.html
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Comment #43 posted by John Tyler on April 28, 2006 at 21:24:55 PT
What a surprise
Is this a done deal? Did this blindsided the feds.? Remember how they went bezerk when Canada was just thinking of going decrim.? I suppose there will have to be some type of retail outlets to accommodate the tourist crowd.
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Comment #42 posted by OverwhelmSam on April 28, 2006 at 20:39:44 PT
A Tear In The Space Time Continuum
I believe this will have broad implications on an international level. Now countries who put drug consumers in jail for possessions will be looked at as inhumane. Of course, America is already perceived this way.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 20:17:30 PT
runderwo
I have a relative that reminds me of Limbaugh. I love her because she is my niece but I have a hard time being around here long because she brings me down. I only have to be around her for a short time and I know all the bad stuff that happens in my family. I don't care to know details. Sometimes not knowing details is better then knowing. Also there is no criticism of herself only everyone else. To me it is sad because she spins in circles but makes many of us miserable. Rush is what I call a whiner.
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Comment #40 posted by runderwo on April 28, 2006 at 20:03:02 PT
rush
Actually, that's what is kind of funny. He rails on the victim culture - while simultaneously playing the victim on behalf of all arch-conservatives, repeatedly insisting that the media and science is controlled by "liberals" and "leftists". He plays the underdog because he knows people are attracted to underdogs, but then excuses himself for it, because he's under attack by the liberal media after all. Too much like demagoguery for my liking.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 18:53:43 PT
Mayan
I look at people like Limbaugh as a person who thinks he is really important and likes to talk down about people and that makes people feel self righteous who listen to him and also makes them feel superior and I don't like people like that.
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Comment #38 posted by mayan on April 28, 2006 at 18:34:02 PT
runerwo
That's how Rush lures people in. He'll latch onto an issue that he knows everyon agrees with and then he slowly turns to the right. Incrementalism. I don't see how anyone could be so dumb as to be a "dittohead". Why anyone would want to help boost his ratings. Isn't it strange how the mainstream "liberal media" is dominated by the center-right?
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Comment #37 posted by runderwo on April 28, 2006 at 18:16:11 PT
rush
I know people who listen to Rush. They like his "attitude". I agree with him on issues where someone is playing a victim in order to get money. However, I do not agree with his frequent appeals to ignorance. For example, he marginalizes medical marijuana users as 60's holdovers trying desperately to get a dangerously addictive drug legalized, and insists that the only reason it is a major issue is because of the magnitude of their addictions. Quite funny given what he is in the news for now. But it's too bad that people will simply latch onto his opinion and assume that is all they need to know about the issue.
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Comment #36 posted by mayan on April 28, 2006 at 17:47:57 PT
Wolf's Situation Room
CNN Cover's 9/11 Skeptics and Misrepresents 911Truth.org (scroll down):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/cnn-covers-911-skeptics-and.htmlOh, my! You've got to see PNAC member, Bill Kristol, on Comedy Central! He gets grilled and made to look like the insane war-monger that he is...Bill Kristol Blushes After Confronted on PNAC Agenda - Video Download (scroll down, again):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/bill-kristol-blushes-after-confronted.html
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Comment #35 posted by mayan on April 28, 2006 at 17:37:07 PT
Rush "Pills" Limbaugh
He's finally become irrelevant. The only people who still
tune in to his show are people who suddenly went deaf and forgot that they still had their radios on.Here's Rush's booking info courtesy of the Palm Beach Sheriffs Department...
http://tinyurl.com/ehvg4Regarding Mexico, we had better invade now before a "domino effect" begins!On an unrelated note, the mainstream media is in attack mode against the 9/11 conspiracy movie, Loose Change. This is surely a good sign...Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htmAlso, there is supposed to be a mention of Loose Change on CNN's 'Situation Room' tonight.THE WAY OUT...“False Flagg” op called Rosetta Stone of 9/11:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_748.shtmlOsama Connected to 9/11? Not According to the F.B.I.:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=364HEADS UP! THREE Stage Terror Drill to Take Place in Chicago: May 2-4:
http://www.lonelantern.org/police_state_reports.html9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #34 posted by Dr Ganj on April 28, 2006 at 17:33:42 PT
Fun Things To Do In While In Mexico
— opium (raw, to be smoked) 5 grams— heroin, 25 mg— marijuana 5 grams— cocaine 500 mg— LSD .015 mg (Tune in, Turn On, Drop Out)— MDA 200 mg— MDMA (Ecstasy) 200 mg — mescaline: 1 g— peyote: 1 KG (that should be enough)— psilocybin (concentrate, pure, active ingredient) 100 mg— hallucinogenic mushrooms (raw, off the farm): 250 mg— amphetamines: 100 mg— dexamphetamines: 40 mg— Phencyclidine (PCP, or Angel Dust) 7 mg—methamphetamines: 200 mg— Nalbuphine (synthetic opiate): 10 mgFrom: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193641,00.html
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 17:11:33 PT
Expanded Associated Press Article
Mexico Set To Decriminalize Some Drug Use***Mark Stevenson, Associated PressApril 28, 2006MEXICO CITY - Mexico's Congress approved a bill Friday decriminalizing possession of small quantities of drugs for personal use - including cocaine and even heroin - raising potential questions about joint U.S.-Mexican anti-narcotics operations.The only step remaining was the signature of President Vicente Fox, whose office indicated he would sign the bill, which Mexican officials hope will allow police to focus on large-scale trafficking operations rather than minor drug busts."This law gives police and prosecutors better legal tools to combat drug crimes that do so much damage to our youth and children," said Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar.If Fox signs the measure and it becomes law, it could strain the two countries' cooperation in anti-drug efforts - and increase the vast numbers of vacationing students who visit Mexico.Oscar Aguilar, a Mexico City political analyst, said Fox appeared almost certain to sign the law - his office proposed it, and his party supports it - and that he had apparently been betting that it would not draw much notice."That's probably why they (the Senate) passed it the way they did, in the closing hours of the final session," Aguilar said. "He's going to sign it ... he's not going to abandon his party two months before the (presidential) election."U.S. officials scrambled to come up with a response to the bill."The United States and Mexico have a strong history of counternarcotics cooperation, and the Fox administration has taken a firm stand against illegal drug cultivation, trafficking and abuse," said Janelle Hironimus, a State Department spokeswoman. She said the department was trying to get "more information" about the measure.One U.S. diplomat who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly said "any effort to decriminalize illegal drugs would not be helpful."The bill, passed in the early morning hours by Mexico's Senate on a 53-26 vote with one abstention, has already been approved in the lower house of Congress. It also stiffens penalties for trafficking and possession of drugs - even small quantities - by government employees or near schools, and maintains criminal penalties for drug sales.The bill says criminal charges will no longer be brought for possession of up to 25 milligrams of heroin, 5 grams of marijuana (about one-fifth of an ounce, or about four joints), or 0.5 grams of cocaine - the equivalent of about 4 "lines," or half the standard street-sale quantity (though half-size packages are becoming more common)."No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," according to the Senate bill, which also lays out allowable quantities for an array of other drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and amphetamines.Some of the amounts are eye-popping: Mexicans would be allowed to possess more than two pounds of peyote, the button-sized hallucinogenic cactus used in some native Indian religious ceremonies.Mexican law now leaves open the possibility of dropping charges against people caught with drugs if they are considered addicts and if "the amount is the quantity necessary for personal use." The new bill drops the "addict" requirement - automatically allowing any "consumers" to have drugs - and sets out specific allowable quantities.Mexican officials declined to explain how the law would work - including whether drug use in public would be tolerated, or discouraged by other means.The law was defended by Mexican legislators - and greeted with glee by U.S. legalization advocates."We can't close our eyes to this reality," said Sen. Jorge Zermeno, of Fox's conservative National Action Party. "We cannot continue to fill our jails with people who have addictions."Ethan Nadelmann, director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, said the bill removed "a huge opportunity for low-level police corruption." In Mexico, police often release people detained for minor drug possession, in exchange for bribes.Selling all these drugs would remain illegal under the proposed law, unlike the Netherlands, where the sale of marijuana for medical use is legal and it can be bought with a prescription in pharmacies. While Dutch authorities look the other way regarding the open sale of cannabis in designated coffee shops - something Mexican police seem unlikely to do - the Dutch have zero tolerance for heroin and cocaine. In both countries, commercial growing of marijuana is outlawed.In Colombia, a 1994 court ruling decriminalized personal possession of small amounts of cocaine, heroin and other drugs.The effects in Mexico could be significant, given that the country is rapidly becoming a drug-consuming nation as well as a shipment point for traffickers, and given the number of U.S. students who flock to border cities or resorts like Cancun and Acapulco on vacation."This is going to increase addictions in Mexico," said Ulisis Bon, a drug treatment expert in Tijuana, where heroin use is rampant. "A lot of Americans already come here to buy medications they can't get up there ... Just imagine, with heroin."Associated Press Writer Julie Watson contributed to this report.Copyright: 2006 Associated Press
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 16:59:17 PT
Limbaugh
He will be forced to drug test by an independent person won't he?
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 16:56:12 PT
Toker00
I really dislike Limbaugh. I have never listened to him but have heard a few things he's said over the years and I don't know anyone that I would consider a friend that listens to him and believes what he says. Who would want to fill their minds up with hate for others like he makes me think he does. He sure isn't the kind of man I have any respect for.
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Comment #30 posted by Toker00 on April 28, 2006 at 16:48:04 PT
He was arrested a while back.
He was convicted today of one count of Doctor shopping. The doctor he has presently may have him on something really good.That cholesterol infested sparse haired Oxycontin-head. Can you say, "H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T-E"?Living With War. Playing now. Thanks Neil Young.B-by Bush. B-by Cannabis Prohibition.Wage peace on war and we will be Living With Peace. AND IT CAN HAPPEN BY ENDING CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #29 posted by Dr Ganj on April 28, 2006 at 16:43:36 PT
FIESTA MEXICANA!
Wow! I can't wait to jet down to Puerto Vallarta, take some X, snort some blow, puff on some Oaxacan spears, pound some Coronas, and let me not forget to frolic with las chicas!
Oh my, what this will do for tourism in Mexico!
Imagine the bars in Tijuana, Cancun, Acapulco, and Cabo Wabo! Holy cow, am I ready to party down! I better start practicing my Spanish. Hum, let me see, "Necesito un Corona con lima, y un media grama de tu puro!"
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Comment #28 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 16:26:05 PT
as he should be
in his snake filled universe
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 15:39:27 PT
I Didn't Know This
Rush Limbaugh was arrested.
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Comment #26 posted by Max Flowers on April 28, 2006 at 15:33:19 PT
¡Gracias por los cinco gramos!
I think allowing 5 grams would be very generous of them, as that's a decent amount that could fuel a few (to several) days of a vacation at a time.Never a dull moment in this 2006 world, is there?
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Comment #25 posted by Max Flowers on April 28, 2006 at 15:28:28 PT
Viva Mexico!
This is amazing. Presidente Fox has thrown a big curve ball out of nowhere.There's a big-money aspect of this story that I think a lot of people might be missing at this early stage: if it goes through, it will be, I predict, a huge boost to Mexico's tourist industry. The principle being that tourists who intend only to use very small personal amounts of drugs while vacationing in Mexico will (once it is demonstrated as safe) not be afraid to procure and use them, and will do so, and there will be people who will provide them, despite the increased risk. The risk will be very small for them in fact because, let's face it, corruption is very well entrenched in Mexico. It will be a lot like Prohibition-era Chicago---there will be certain outfits who can distribute with impunity, because they are connected and have paid for that "right." Other, non-sanctioned people who try to weasel in from the edges will be savagely dealt with.Something tells me that there is about to be born a new Spanish word: narcoturista!
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Comment #24 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 15:20:44 PT
a good change
every individualhas to decidelove and understandingcan bring us closeras members and soldiersin this night
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Comment #23 posted by dongenero on April 28, 2006 at 15:10:43 PT
the good news is....
we are working to make it the world it should be.Every individual can make a difference and working together we can truly affect change.
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 15:05:33 PT
global_warming
I'm sorry you feel that way. I believe the journey we are on is the destination and we need to take in as much as we can while we are here.
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Comment #21 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 15:02:23 PT
re: sorry
I am sorrythat i live in this world
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Comment #20 posted by konagold on April 28, 2006 at 15:01:32 PT:
Johnny-come-lately Cannabis churches
AlohaI wrote to the so called 420 temple web site and informed them that we, the Religion of Jesus Church, began to claim RFRA rights in early 1994 shortly after RFRA was ratified.I also informed him that their claim to be the first legal Cannabis church was false seeing as how The Religion of Jesus Church was formed in 1969 as a Cannabis Sacrament celebrating church, and that the Rasta's would probably also see such a pretentious claim as false.I informed them that we give membership away and that temple 'money changers' are damned as "God ain't short of cash" [wink]AlohaRev. Dennis Shields
http://thereligionofjesuschurch.org
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 14:43:42 PT
global_warming
I don't know what you are sorry about. You know I have a hard time understanding you sometimes.
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Comment #18 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 14:40:50 PT
so sorry fomme
for those who have not inhaleda couple of hitstry to rememberhow your handacted in the most soft way
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Comment #17 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 14:27:37 PT
i forgot
due to my advanced agei have in my heart a feeling of freedomredemption and forgiveness
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 14:14:50 PT
in those later days
this is like insurance,for those late bloomerswho catch the wavea hundred dollarsmay be so very importantto prop your head upso that you can 'witnessso that you can see,your childrenyour friendsmarching alongin slings and pharmaciesas long as those ownersof stocks and bondaka stockades and bondagethis is a most awesome worldof which my happinessis spilling overfor i knowthe angels fightfor the rightto stand in frontof the 'fire
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 13:33:50 PT
i would send 100 dollars
to a sick person who uses marijuana,so that he or she may become a member,
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 13:19:44 PT
from his site
About Temple
Written by Administrator
Wednesday, 19 April 2006Our ministry is called “Temple 420” because the founder of this religious organization is Jewish we have chosen to use the world Temple rather than church. Also, like a Temple we are asking for a specific donation to join our temple. Churches usually pass the plate after the sermon, but we are creating a national ministry that will eventually go to television to spread the word, but in the meantime our mission is to protect members from religious persecution. Therefore, anyone who joins our congregation will get a membership card identifying them as a member of the Temple. Membership cards will work like medical marijuana cards in CA, if a member is ever pulled over with cannabis, anywhere in the nation, they can present their card and show the authorities that they are lawfully in possession of religious marijuana. If they are ticketed for possessing this spiritual cannabis our organization will defend them.It is our goal that our group becomes the spiritual home of the 420 Nation. We know that Jesus smokes weed. So, it is the goal of our ministry to reach beyond the borders of America and create a world wide ministry that preaches the Holy Bible to humanity. We are not in any way trying to create a new religion. There is only one true God and we feel that humans, both gentile and Jew, should love Him with all their heart, with all their soul and with their mind. We also think that loving your neighbor is the second most important Jewish commandment and that all the words of the prophets hang on these two laws. Therefore, we are a Judeo-Christian house of worship that welcomes both Jews and Christians into our congregation.We are here to be your salvation from religious persecution as well as to save your soul. As some Christian focus on the baptism and they are called Baptists, our particular church focuses on plants. We feel that God created all plants on earth with His Word according to the Bible in the Book of Genesis. This includes the cannabis plants with its many uses. Also, as a Jewish and Christian congregation we look to the book of Revelation Chapter 22 when it speaks of a plant for the healing of all nations. No other plant on earth more closely resembles the description in this book than the cannabis plant. We’ll have regular weekly meetings and spread out to physical locations, but to start the ministry we are simply asking people to join us and receive a membership card.
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Comment #13 posted by whig on April 28, 2006 at 13:10:43 PT
Gah!
"www.420.org’s first order of business is signing up new members nationwide via its web site. For a limited time new members receive a lifetime membership to the temple for $100..."What jerks! Please, stop them before they hurt us all.
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Comment #12 posted by sam adams on April 28, 2006 at 13:09:12 PT
church
No offense to Craig, but I'd rather be a Rastafarian than be a member of "Temple420" anyday. Good idea though!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 12:50:09 PT
Press Release from ClickPress
First Legal Marijuana Church Launches Due To Landmark Supreme Court Decisionhttp://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/12138005cp.shtml
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Comment #10 posted by dongenero on April 28, 2006 at 12:38:23 PT
homegrown
Right.Homegrown is the answer! Make it organic while you're at it.I would have little interest in buying Phillip Morris cannabis.I'm sure it would be loaded with radiactive elements from their non-organic farming and fertilizing methods, just like their cigarettes. No thanks!
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 12:37:39 PT
dongenero
I agree with you but each tiny step towards becoming less of a taboo is a step forward. We understand because we understand and hopefully society will wake up and catch up. How I wish people would use their god given common sense more then they do anymore.
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Comment #8 posted by dongenero on April 28, 2006 at 12:34:11 PT
just like our alcohol prohibition
This legislation in Mexico is pretty much how our alcohol prohibition was in the US.
They didn't really criminalize most alcohol users, just the producers and distributers.
It still place control firmly in the hands of the black market .
I guess it is a good step in harm reduction for possession but, it does not help the real problem which is the black market and the criminal element associated with it.You could not grow cannabis because a single plant would easily exceed 5 grams. Until it is treated essentially like alcohol, this minor progress is not going to help things much.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 12:25:13 PT
Whig
If people could just grow a little garden like people can brew home beer it would take a lot of the money out of it. Just think of the money that people would have to put back in the economy that way. Homegrowns all right with meHomegrown that's the way it should beGood ole Neil and his songs.
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Comment #6 posted by whig on April 28, 2006 at 12:21:06 PT
FoM
Thanks!I'd be very happy if it becomes possible for people to grow small quantities for personal consumption without risk of prosecution. The nice thing about cannabis is that this is really feasible, we don't need large commercial producers or distributors at all.Homegrown, it's the way it should be.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 12:16:27 PT
Whig
Clap! Clap! Clap! Clap! Bravo!
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Comment #4 posted by whig on April 28, 2006 at 12:15:17 PT
My first newshawk credit!
Hey!
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Comment #3 posted by global_warming on April 28, 2006 at 12:11:49 PT
i wonder if this idea will spread
globally
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 12:04:50 PT
Very Interesting
I always thought Canada would be the first country to step forward for change not Mexico. Times they are a changin.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on April 28, 2006 at 11:52:14 PT
Related Article from The Associated Press
Mexican Bill Would Legalize Some Drugs***By Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer April 28, 2006 MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's Congress approved a bill Friday that would legalize drug possession for personal use -- decriminalizing the carrying of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine and even heroin. The only step remaining is the signature of the president, whose office indicates he will sign the measure, despite the implications for the war on drugs.
The bill, approved by the Senate on a 53-26 vote with one abstention, had been approved earlier by the lower house of Congress. U.S. officials had no immediate reaction on what this means for the fight against drug trafficking, or the vast numbers of American students who visit Mexico on vacation. "The presidency congratulates the Congress for approving the reforms," said presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar. "This law gives police and prosecutors better legal tools to combat drug crimes that do so much damage to our youth and children." The bill legalizes possession of small amounts of heroin, cocaine, ecstasy and marijuana. "No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," the bill reads. Copyright: 2006 Associated Press
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