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High Times and Misdemeanors
Posted by CN Staff on March 10, 2006 at 13:32:13 PT
By Judy Coleman
Source: Slate
USA -- One of the counterintuitive legacies of the Rehnquist Court is that, on his watch, the nation's drug cases took on new constitutional dimensions. Rehnquist famously criticized federal regulation for encroaching on states' rights in his landmark opinion United States v. Lopez. That's when "federal" really began to be a dirty word. Few federal laws have the reach and ambition of the Controlled Substances Act, which provides the framework for national drug enforcement. Because both the legislative and executive branches have a role in determining how the CSA is enforced, the law sets up constitutional questions about the relationship between the federal government and the states, and among the branches of the federal government itself.
Over the past two terms, the Supreme Court has decided several highly publicized challenges to the CSA, including decisions about medical marijuana in California, assisted suicide in Oregon, and religious freedom in New Mexico. Though each was headline-worthy on its own, these cases, read together, also give us a peek at what the justices might be thinking about the separation of powers these days. And while the cases are arguably just about drugs, they may foreshadow future cases about federal power. If these recent opinions are any guide, the justices just can't seem to get high on the idea of unfettered executive power lately—especially if the only terrorists involved are the radical voters of Oregon. The problem for the president isn't that the court has gone liberal—he's certainly made sure that won't happen. Instead, it's that the court has gone libertarian-conservative. That's the kind of conservative who doesn't jibe with the Big Brother state. And it may not be the kind that hands out "blank checks" in the war on terror.Start with Gonzales v. Raich, the medical-marijuana decision handed down in 2005. The plaintiffs were two cancer patients who argued that they could not be subjected to the federal drug laws' blanket prohibition on marijuana use because their supply came from plants cultivated and consumed solely in California. Congress can write, and the attorney general can enforce, only laws regulating interstate commerce, they argued. In an inversion of what you might expect, the four liberal justices, plus Justice Anthony Kennedy, lined up to support the government's side—arguing that medical-marijuana consumption within one state could indeed affect the national marijuana market. Meanwhile, the four conservatives, forced to abide slavishly by the principles of limited national government enshrined in Lopez, dissented in favor of the plaintiff pot smokers. Raich is technically a case about executive power—that is, the attorney general's ability to enforce federal drug laws in spheres that are questionably federal. But the real issue was how far Congress is allowed to go when it writes the laws in the first place. The court's judgment for the federales is best read as deference to the legislature, not an endorsement of the sometimes overreaching way drug laws are enforced. Raich also rejects, implicitly, the argument made by the plaintiffs that they were deserving of special-group status, as a small class of people just trying to get through life without unnecessary pain and suffering. But the court couldn't tell how the perimeter around that special group could be drawn to prevent it from including half the potheads in the Bay Area. Haunted by visions of newly diagnosed "glaucoma" sufferers lining up for their stash with forged doctors' notes in hand, the court held that making this one exception might in fact unravel the entire national drug-enforcement regime. The court didn't see the same purple haze on the horizon in the drug cases presented this term. The questions in these cases directly addressed the executive branch's power to enforce the laws against clearly discrete groups of people—doctors in one case, and a religious sect in another. Raich endorsed the federal power to regulate and prohibit drug use; the cases this term would consider the attorney general's discretion to take that power and run with it—into the bedrooms, exam rooms, and the hallucinogenic dreams of Americans everywhere. In these two cases, the court has resisted delivering the party line, as it did, albeit uneasily, in Raich. Gonzales v. Oregon, also known as the "right to die" case, involved a face-off between the attorney general and the citizens of Oregon, who had voted by referendum to allow assisted suicide by injection, in limited cases. Gonzales' predecessor John Ashcroft had issued an "interpretive rule" of the CSA, which essentially prohibited doctors from administering those drugs. The court, led by its new star center Justice Kennedy, held that the attorney general's interpretive rule couldn't even pretend to have the status of law. In fact, it wasn't even a reasonable reading of the law. Doctors tend to get wide berth from courts because they possess a substantial body of knowledge completely foreign to judges. More important, though, medicine, and the licensing of physicians, has always been regulated by the states. It's one of the few areas left where the federal government has been loath to set national standards. To overcome all these presumptions, Gonzales would have had to show that Congress really, really wanted him to be out there, in Oregon, telling doctors what not to do. Casual legal readers, if they exist, may have been surprised to find an opinion that sidestepped intense moral debates in favor of eyeball-drying administrative law. The CliffsNotes version: "This is one corner you don't own, Alberto." Gonzales received his second wrist-slap this term in the O Centro Espirita decision, handed down in February. The court held that the government couldn't prevent the members of a Brazilian religious sect from drinking hallucinogenic tea. Doing so would violate their rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The opinion is shocking for two reasons: First, it's unanimous; and second, it gives quasi-constitutional status to the RFRA. This endlessly fascinating law allows individuals to block the enforcement of other, less fascinating laws, if those laws burden their religious practices.In the O Centro case, the question was whether, under RFRA, the government really needed to prove that it had a "compelling interest" in enforcing the drug laws against this particular religious sect. The law explicitly states this is what the government has to prove, and the feds were trying to wriggle out on a procedural distinction. No wonder the case was unanimous, with that argument. Congress makes the rules, Chief Justice John Roberts said, you gotta play by them. Jesus of the Amazon: 1, Alberto Gonzales: 0.It would be wrong to extrapolate some grand unifying theory of executive power from a completely unrelated set of cases, argued before a court undergoing personnel changes. The Guantanamo detainees are no more likely to have a good day in court because Gonzales lost out to a bunch of nonviolent drug users.But what we do see in these cases is that where the executive branch uses a far-reaching federal law solely to try to get at special types of communities, the executive branch may lose. The court can safely go toe-to-toe with our nation's drug-enforcement kingpins, without prompting a right-wing backlash, because these decisions are based on traditionally conservative values: states rights, decentralized government, and the superiority of God's law over man's law. The interesting question, in the upcoming war on terror cases, will be whether Guantanamo detainees or the victims of warrantless wiretapping will emerge as sympathetic groups as well.Moreover, the court's opinions in these cases won't get attacked for letting criminals run free in the streets. These cases only vindicate the causes of discrete groups of people who aren't likely to abuse their privileges. Doctors regulate themselves, and religious sects tend to be known quantities, until they start amassing Kool-Aid or guns. Californians looking for an excuse to blaze up, on the other hand, need to wait until the next election cycle.Judy Coleman is a third-year student at Yale Law School. She is organizing the Yale Law Journal's Symposium on Executive Power, to be held this March. Note: What the Supreme Court's drug cases may tell us about limits on federal powers.Source: Slate (US Web)Author: Judy ColemanPublished: Friday, March 10, 2006Copyright: 2006 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLCContact: letters slate.comWebsite: http://www.slate.com/CannabisNews Justice Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/justice.shtml
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Comment #109 posted by global_warming on March 13, 2006 at 15:02:11 PT
i thought i was bad
posting scriptures.. :)
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Comment #108 posted by Hope on March 13, 2006 at 10:35:10 PT
coding bold
I see how it happened, I think. At the Bible Gateway there was a bracketed b, as a reference right before that bold part.
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Comment #107 posted by whig on March 13, 2006 at 10:22:24 PT
Bold text
Putting a b in brackets, like [ b] this makes text bold. You close it with a [ /b]. Just remove the space after the opening bracket.
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on March 13, 2006 at 10:14:22 PT
Hope
I was going to ask you how you did that. I can use coding in an article ( make words bold ) but I didn't think it worked in a comment but it did for you.
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Comment #105 posted by Hope on March 13, 2006 at 10:13:48 PT
Maybe the computer read
one of those verse numbers as some sort of code.
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Comment #104 posted by Hope on March 13, 2006 at 10:09:49 PT
Hmmmm...
I didn't make part of those verses bolder. They weren't bolder than the rest where I copied them from. Hmmm. I don't even know how to make stuff bolder in posts here.
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Comment #103 posted by Hope on March 13, 2006 at 10:02:04 PT
BGreen
Mr. and Mrs. Green...I'm so thankful you made it through ok."The prayer of a righteous man availeth much." That "righteous man", would include our FoM. Her righteousness doesn't come from being a great and perfect observer of the Law...but as a gift from God that I think she fully understands and appreciates.The "self-righteous" don't get it yet.Galations 3: 26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Self righteousness is iniquity. I believe we struggle in our effort, against the many "self-righteous" out there.I pray God lifts our banner of freedom and hope higher than that of the self-righteous and provides us extra protection from the wicked plans of the self-righteous.Prequel to the above noted scripture: Galations 3: 1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? 6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 21:02:14 PT
BGreen
Tell Mrs. Green I'm glad I could. My husband is up in northern Indiana tonight. He has been in a few nasty storms with the truck. He has about 45,000 pounds on the trailer so it won't go anywhere I hope. We were in a storm during the flooding in I think it was 93 in Iowa. We went to the second floor of the truck stop where they have a lounge. That brick building shook. When we went out to sleep in the truck our truck rocked and rocked. It was quite an experience.
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Comment #101 posted by BGreen on March 12, 2006 at 20:57:04 PT
Whew!
Man, that was stressful.There are still a LOT of people getting slammed that could use our prayers, too.It's going to be a long, mean spring.Mrs. Green says "you're sweet for praying for us, FoM."I agree. :-)The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 20:52:47 PT
BGreen
You might be safe then. I hope so. Is this an early warning of another difficult summer with weather? I hope not.
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Comment #99 posted by BGreen on March 12, 2006 at 20:40:55 PT
The tornado is about 4 miles north
The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #98 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 20:26:16 PT
Correction
I should say we jumped to our feet. We didn't hit the floor. That sounded dumb.
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 20:24:52 PT
Be Safe BGreen
Please post as soon as you are able if the power goes out. This sure seems early for this kind of weather. We had our bedroom window open last night and a storm hit here that woke me and my husband and we both hit the floor at the same time.
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Comment #96 posted by BGreen on March 12, 2006 at 20:21:56 PT
Thanks once again, FoM
We may lose our power, so don't worry if I don't post for a while.It looks like this tornado is headed just to the north of us, in the same path as many others in recent history.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 20:12:41 PT
BGreen
I'll do that. Stay safe. I thought of you today because of the areas the tornadoes are hitting.
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Comment #94 posted by BGreen on March 12, 2006 at 20:10:30 PT
A prayer request
We've got some MAJOR tornados heading our way, so it would be greatly appreciated if you could join with me in prayer for our safety.Thanks!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #93 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 20:03:54 PT
Current TV
http://www.current.tv/
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 19:58:12 PT
ekim
I like Current TV. We were watching it last night when they toured The Burning Man event. Also we saw a funny political cartoon about the Oscars, Bush and Cheney.
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Comment #91 posted by ekim on March 12, 2006 at 19:53:50 PT
Thanks Fom will ck it out
i was at ch 366 current -- neat place cause you get paid for sending in 15 min flicks. today they had one on the largest cannabis feilds on the planet in morroco.said hash worth 12 bill and the farmers only gets 2percent.-------no woman no cry--------
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 19:39:52 PT
ekim
I've seen Charlie Rose a couple of times. He was always good when I heard and saw him. I don't go to many different TV channels. I only recently checked in on World Link TV and have found some great programs. Coming up at 11 PM ET is a show called The Oil Factor.The Oil FactorLength: 02:00 Type of program: Documentary The Oil Factor is part of the Link TV Special - War of Deception Click here for more information and broadcast times.After assessing today's dwindling oil reserves and skyrocketing use of oil for fuels, plastics and chemicals, The Oil Factor questions the motives for the U.S. wars in the Middle-East and Central Asia where 3/4 of the world's oil and natural gas is located.With exclusive footage shot on location in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, the film documents the spiraling violence now engulfing both Iraq and Afghanistan, a country conspicuously absent from the commercial media's news segments. Interviews gathered throughout the Middle-East, Europe and the United States, including a Bechtel executive in Baghdad, also expose who is cashing in on the tens of billions of dollars requested from congress by the current administration of George Bush. http://www.linktv.org/http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=oil
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Comment #89 posted by ekim on March 12, 2006 at 19:15:07 PT
Fom did you ever watch 377 pbsyou and C. Rose
i have a hole in the tv at the missing of Charlie Rose show there was a pbsyou web site but i could not get to anyone.i will try to get to a blog that must be talking about him being ------disa peared on the box.Mr Rose is wonderful talking to anotherhuman one to one.
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 16:08:54 PT
For Entertainment Purposes Only
I just found a John Denver concert on PBS. I don't know if it is on eveyones PBS channel but it's good.John Denver: A Song's Best FriendSunday, March 12, 6:30pmJohn Denver's life and legacy are celebrated through performance clips from concerts and TV appearances; and reminiscences by friends and colleagues. Among those commenting: his former wife, Annie, for whom he penned “Annie's Song”; producer Milt Okun.
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Comment #87 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 13:26:25 PT
Dankhank
Thank you. That eases my poor over stressed mind.
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Comment #86 posted by Dankhank on March 12, 2006 at 13:16:10 PT
HDssssssss
HD size is dependent on how much space you need to do what you want ...Intensive activity like creating Video content needs lots of space ...Most all else requires less ...I have a bunch of Video stuff on my HD, some Movies
Grass, Hitchicker, both Reefer Madness', 1400 photos of Marilyn Monroe, 35 Futurama shows, all the Cowboy Bebop, Music Videos ...Team America, Imagine, Yellow Submarine ...Whew! and a bunch more ...4000 files in Documents ...now using 48G of an 80G HD.short answer ...you should be good to go, 'less you have a BUNCH of VideoYou can free up space by burning to discs and even add second internal HD to most towers ...I have a second HD in My machine, 30G, and have most of my old art file from an upgrade on it, 40Meg.So, don't worry, before you ever get to the full, you will have a plan ...I once got the error msg ..."You can't save this, your HD is full."This was back when I had a 6G. in the olden days ...So, FoM, ease your mind ... no rush to do anything ...Peace to those who educate .....and you do ...
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 12:58:59 PT
whig
No I haven't seen Heart of Gold. I'll have to wait until it comes out on DVD. It isn't going to show anywhere near here. We are very rural. I will drive to Columbus to see Neil in concert but I'll wait for the DVD of HOG. The reviews have been excellent. The first archives are due to be released this year. I'm looking forward to getting Neil's archives. If he does do the tour with Crosby, Stills and Nash we are going!
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 12:55:03 PT
Dankhank
Maybe you could help me with this computer question. I have all my programs re-installed. Everything is working fine but I am only now starting to push this computer like I did before. I just watched the BBC Concert and it went well. The hard drive I have was used on another computer. It has 58GBs of space left. Should I get another bigger hard drive? One that I could plug in. I guess they call that an external drive. Thanks for any help. I had a 120 GB hard drive that crashed.
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Comment #83 posted by whig on March 12, 2006 at 12:49:50 PT
FoM
Have you seen Heart of Gold yet? It was playing in Berkeley but we didn't have time to go during our short visit, and none of the theaters here are showing it.
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Comment #82 posted by Dankhank on March 12, 2006 at 12:45:59 PT
good stuff out there ...
I used housecall as I shared the info and got this result ... Scanning and Cleaning Complete
HouseCall did not find any potential threats on your computer. Make sure you run HouseCall once a week to keep your PC clean and malware free. good to go for a while, now ...:-)
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 11:55:10 PT
For Entertainment Purposes Only
DAVID GILMOUR IN CONCERTLive and ExclusiveOn-air: Saturday 11 March at 2030-2130
This concert is available to hear again for seven days after broadcast via the BBC Radio Player.
David Gilmour performed an exclusive concert for Radio 2 from The Mermaid in London. The concert combined David’s favourite Pink Floyd tracks with tracks from his new album ‘On An Island’. A real treat for any Floyd and David Gilmour fan!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/davidgilmour/
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 10:40:27 PT
whig
Thank you too. I just paid for the year to use Norton so I probably will stick with it. It has worked for me. On my older computer I never used an anti virus program and it still is working fine.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on March 12, 2006 at 10:29:50 PT
OT - Antivirus
I prefer to recommend AntiVir because it is free for personal use, no subscription required.http://free-av.com/
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 10:17:48 PT
Dankhank
Thanks for the alternative virus program information.
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Comment #77 posted by Dankhank on March 12, 2006 at 09:54:26 PT
I use this ...
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/and have for years ...pretty good and not resident on the HD ...McCrapperty, Panda, Norton ... whatever ...they can interfere with your own programs sometimes ...So I have nothing resident on my machine ...
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 07:30:39 PT
Hope
You are so right. We won't know until it doesn't work. Ain't that the truth! LOL!
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on March 12, 2006 at 07:16:11 PT
Panda
Panda didn't seem to go in and change things. It was simple seeming and it caught viruses. I don't recall why we gave it up and went to the others.You have to have something though. So I hope whatever we have is working. Guess we don't know until it doesn't work.
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 06:57:54 PT
Hope
I had good luck with Norton but it sure might not be the best program. I just found it easy to renew it.
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on March 12, 2006 at 06:24:17 PT
Anti-virus
McCaffee is what I have. I liked Panda better. I had Norton one year and didn't like it either. My husband chooses all that stuff.
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on March 12, 2006 at 06:19:23 PT
gw, Spybot
Yes. I do have Spybot.Crucifixtion. Most people were crucified naked, as I understand it. Somewhere I got the idea that Yeshua was allowed a loincloth as some sort of decency. Not sure where I got that idea. Not from paintings and drawings. I read it somewhere.There's no doubt in my mind that today's Pharisees and Sadducees of all brands of religion would see that Jesus was executed or at the very least incarcerated if he walked the earth today. He was a "trouble maker" in their eyes then and he still would be considered such today. No way would Bushites and prohibs recognize him. They can't even recognize who he was and is from reading the Bible. They seem to despise, for a fact, the gentle, loving, caring, and forgiving human/God that I see when I read the scriptures. Besides, their Jesus, would be bringing them financial wealth or they wouldn't recognize him.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on March 12, 2006 at 06:17:42 PT
Hope and Lombar
I believe it is a problem on our end. Matt is trying to cut bandwidth use on CNews. We were getting too big. I sent him an e-mail about the bad timing problem. Hopefully he can get it fix. It has had me all fretful because I have had many problems posting and know others must be having problems too. I haven't had any problems for a few days. I really am sorry. It gets very discouraging.
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Comment #70 posted by Hope on March 12, 2006 at 06:02:39 PT
Another thing...
I wouldn't swear to it, but I think everytime that I got that error, it was while I was on Firefox, not IE. IE is slower and easier to lose a post on, for me.Maybe Firefox has made some changes that are causing it.
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on March 12, 2006 at 05:59:59 PT
Error
The thing is...this never happened before the last week or so, to me, anyway. If it were just me, I wouldn't wonder so much about it.
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Comment #68 posted by lombar on March 12, 2006 at 03:49:26 PT
I got that error a few times
I got a 'bad timing error' a few times. It seems that when I was taking a long time to post a message, I got that error. By reloading the page (after saving my comment to a text file) I pasted the message in and hit 'post message' right away and it worked everytime.There must be a timeout between the time a browser connects and the time a comment submission is recieved. Perhaps the site keeps a connection for a time and only accepts message submissions while this is active.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 18:41:32 PT
Portion of a San Francisco Chronicle Article
How 'Go Ask Alice' Became 'Just Say No' ***A historian argues the late '70s begat the Reagan era and todaySunday, March 12, 2006Particularly notable is the national hysteria about drug use, as frequently exaggerated media reports regarding the dangers of various substances help transform the "go ask Alice" openness of the '60s into the "just say no" mantra of the '80s. During this period, "crack cocaine ... acquired all the stereotypical evils associated with PCP, and before that with older demon drugs such as cocaine and marijuana, stereotypes that drew heavily on images of black primitivism and savagery. ... In 1986, Time magazine declared the crack problem the issue of the year, and Newsweek proclaimed it the biggest story since Vietnam and Watergate (bigger, that is, than the 1980 hostage crisis or the nuclear confrontation of 1983)." The most significant negative effect of the so-called war on drugs may well have been the American enthusiasm for incarceration that helped make the United States the industrialized world's leading imprisoner of its own people. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/12/RVGN0HHDG41.DTL&type=books
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 16:17:34 PT
global_warming
Thanks. I e-mailed Matt and told him about the bad timing error.
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Comment #65 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 16:04:21 PT
4th person logging in
with a "bad timing error"
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 15:56:16 PT
Jose
Thank you. You are at least the 3rd person who is having a bad timing error. I will e-mail Matt and tell him about the problem.
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Comment #63 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 15:52:26 PT
what is that place
that 'you can witnessthis world?Do you have a 'gentle hand?
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Comment #62 posted by jose melendez on March 11, 2006 at 15:40:40 PT
my best guess . . .
My best guess is Jesus would just be crucified again, this time for his liberal wacko anti-capital punishment and lily livered pro-peace stance.Plus, my God, he MUST be high on something if he's up all night like he was a couple thousand years ago. Sin no more, indeed . . . BTW, my Windows 2000 w/Firefox demonstrates the bad timing error, not so with OS X so far as I can tell.
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Comment #61 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 15:17:33 PT
re:Jesus
His 'naked balls hanging on a cross,In the 'full sun,is this ?freedom?
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Comment #60 posted by lombar on March 11, 2006 at 14:56:47 PT
global_warming
What would Jesus do about Global Warming1) Would not have cause it in the first place.
Here's where it would get sticky:If we assume the Son of Man to have the Power of God2) Snap his fingers and fix it.If he is just an ordinary mortal with great faith:3) Gripe at leaders until they change? Be an activist?I have thought a lot about the possible return of Jesus Christ. If He was just 1 guy again, he could be re-martyred. If He imbued the hearts of millions, He could not be stopped. ;) The return of Christ would presuppose he left. "Ye greatly err. God is not a God of the dead but of the living."From the christian standpoint the question becomes "What IS Jesus doing about it?":)
Cheers!
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Comment #59 posted by lombar on March 11, 2006 at 14:48:03 PT
Max Flowers and Patrick
" I really like the concept of we humans having sovereignty over our own bodies. If we don't control that, we don't control anything and might as well get a "breathing permit" from the government too."Not only that but many try to make you feel guilty for NOT getting the license to breathe. So guilty that they can justify the continuing punishment for 'breathing without a license' to all the rest they have cowed into accepting the arrangement. The arrangment where the people have ceded their natural rights to agriculture and benefiting from such, their natural rights to seek their own best medicine(s), their rights to be free from persecution for pursuing happiness in the way they prefer. The people are made to perform like seals tooting horns and must have perfect virtue and ethics (or not get caught...) to rate a gold watch after 20 years of work AND YET look at the behavior we get from leaders. From willful ignorance to outright deceit, duplicity and betrayal, there is no cause for 'public trust' beyond that of trusting the darker side of human nature to continually assert itself at the highest levels. War, poverty, and starvation are not beyond humanities power to eliminate. Don't wait for Jesus! We own ourselves or we own NOTHING. Perhaps the law is designed to protect me from being less productive to those with factories that need workers. We should always remember that the brunt of prohibition laws fall disproportionately upon the poor, and minorities in the US... the statistics speak for themselves. It is easy to call down the thunder from an ivory tower.-----------------------------------------------------------"On the whole, the legal basis of the criminal law is weak where the prescribed standard first, does not concern a relationship with others and where the characteristics of the relationship do not establish a victim and a perpetrator able to recognize his/her actions; second, has to find its justification outside fundamental social relationships; and third, results in the form of enforcement, the harmful effects of which undermine and challenge the very legitimacy of the law. Where criminal law is involved in these issues, the very standard prescribed by the law turns the perpetrator into the victim and tries to protect him from himself, something it can do only by producing a never-ending stream of knowledge that remains constantly out of his reach. In this context only offences involving significant direct danger to others should be matters of criminal law.""This final section sets out the main conclusions drawn from all this information and presents the resulting recommendations derived from the thesis we have developed namely: in a free and democratic society, which recognizes fundamentally but not exclusively the rule of law as the source of normative rules and in which government must promote autonomy as far as possible and therefore make only sparing use of the instruments of constraint, public policy on psychoactive substances must be structured around guiding principles respecting the life, health, security and rights and freedoms of individuals, who, naturally and legitimately, seek their own well-being and development and can recognize the presence, difference and equality of others."
Senate Of Canada 2002 - CANNABIS: OUR POSITION FOR A CANADIAN PUBLIC POLICY
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Comment #58 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 14:41:58 PT
re: My problem was a hard drive
it may have been your "hard drive,it also might have to do with your soul,that is in 'some hard place,Cannabis is movingHave you caught that 'twinkle?
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 14:32:59 PT
Hope
My problem was a hard drive crash but I haven't ever had any of the problems you just mentioned. I just renewed my virus program and had to re-activate it when I reformatted the computer but it is working fine so far. You can't post on some web sites using IE? I don't have Firefox on the new re-format but I did. I didn't use it though. Someone who is up on Firefox might be able to help you figure it out. I would be concerned about not having an active virus program going. I have the Norton one.
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Comment #56 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 14:20:14 PT
Hope
pardon my curiosity, do you use that German program called spybot?
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Comment #55 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 14:17:06 PT
i wonder
what would Jesus have done, about this global warming issue?
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on March 11, 2006 at 14:16:39 PT
“Error! Bad timing.”
I've been getting that message far too many times in the last week or so. On Foxfire, only...I think. But I can't post to some sites at all on IE. Weird. It all started when I couldn't get my resubscription anti-virus program to install. Had to take out Firefox before it would install. Afterwards I reloaded Firefox and get those stupid messages since that night I mentioned that I started getting those white pages with that message and another one. Don't remember the other message. Oh yes, the first message was "You already said that!"That message preceded an effort to post at Urbangrounds, and I got that Adobe thing with 14 blank pages that had a heading referring to Missouri Podcast.The trouble that comes with computers so much ...aaack!!!
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Comment #53 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 13:47:55 PT
also
That democrat 'you can call me Al, had better stop giving me a bad name.
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Comment #52 posted by global_warming on March 11, 2006 at 13:46:37 PT
thanks
b_m, who could have guessed that it would turn out that way?I would love to go to one of Karen's parties...of course, only if they are serving top shelf vodka, she don't look too bad, i'll have another one of those 'drinks.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 12:21:11 PT
bionic man
Welcome to CNews. Thank you for the information.
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Comment #50 posted by bionic man on March 11, 2006 at 12:11:27 PT:
dr. craker and the dea re.comment #3
Hello everyone. Long time reader, first time post. The dea decided to cancel the last hearing because Dr.Craker had a witness to testify to the poor quality of mj from univ. of Miss. Decision to be made later this year by admin. judge from dea.
http://www.maps.org/mmj/
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 11:49:58 PT
Patrick
I'm always here. Just call me Hal. See I am not a real person just a computer generated program! LOL!
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Comment #48 posted by Patrick on March 11, 2006 at 11:33:20 PT
Aw shucks FoM
It's good to know you are here everyday posting the news too.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 11:28:03 PT
Patrick
Glad I made you chuckle. I hope you aren't having problems posting. I was but I think Matt has gotten most of it fixed. I make it a point to always right click and save my comment before I hit post message. That way I don't ever lose my thoughts if it doesn't work. It's good to see you.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 11:10:42 PT
One More Comment
Here's another show that was just on World Link TV. This is really good because if you can't get Link TV you can see the programs on their web sites. Power to the people.Scroll down if you want to see the video:DISSENT This episode of The ACLU Freedom Files tells the stories of everyday Americans who were practicing their right to free speech and dissent, only to be harassed or arrested.
http://aclu.tv/videos
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Comment #45 posted by Patrick on March 11, 2006 at 11:07:49 PT
Max Flowers said it best...
I really like the concept of we humans having sovereignty over our own bodies. If we don't control that, we don't control anything and might as well get a "breathing permit" from the government too.Talk about hitting the nail on the head!!!On one hand we live in a relatively free society but on the other hand growing the wonderful cannabis plant and consuming its fruit is considered such a horrible crime it is enforced with a gun to the face. Folks with a terminal and extremely painful illness who are also of sound mind are not allowed to pass with a sense of dignity into the next life which by the way is so obviously inevitable anyway is it not? And The Controlled Substance Act bureaucracy lusts for power over a religious society’s beliefs so much so as so to make a crime of a tea ceremony. At times, the craziness of the whole big picture is almost enough to make me want to move to Oregon, visit a shrink, and request my injection of the lovely “blue juice” just so I can pass on to what hopefully will be a much less confusing place than the insane hypocrisy shoveled around on this plane of existence. However, almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons. But that’s a whole other issue.I think the author of this article understands sovereignty over ones body since her premise basically begins with, “Few federal laws have the reach and ambition of the Controlled Substances Act, which provides the framework for national drug enforcement.” I think she feels the judicial system understands this too as she ends her argument with the comment, “The court can safely go toe-to-toe with our nation's drug-enforcement kingpins, without prompting a right-wing backlash, because these decisions are based on traditionally conservative values: states rights, decentralized government, and the superiority of God's law over man's law.”I read this article as mostly her internal defense of our legal system. She after all is a Yale law student and more than likely has written a couple cart loads of papers, articles, comments, suggestions, innuendo’s but I digress sorry. The court system merely acts a check and balance to the executive and the legislative branch of our government. She simply used our favorite plant as one of three examples to make her point. I say well done Judy. I enjoyed the article. And yes I will keep on voting locally and nationally as I continue to witness elected representation as the only way to change the laws of the land or in essence, the laws of man. Other than what we have now there are always armed rebellions and or civil wars. I prefer the former over the latter but that’s just me.And mayan… FoM, ending poverty would end many of the problems that plaque the inner cities as poverty is the root cause of many crimes. I believe that is so true mayan. I have always felt that lack of money is the root of all evil not the other way around. Money is really nothing more than a tool of exchange. Without it or a way to get it (a job for example!) what you end up with are a pack of thieves and the type of crimes that will actually have victims unlike puffing the herb of life.FoM – I first attempted to post this and I got an error page that said “Error! Bad timing.” I just had to crack up on that one because I remembered you had posted you had some computer problems. What’s a power supply? Thanks for the chuckle. I hope everything is better by the time you read this. So in the meantime I found this interesting article entitled :Court: “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” banner is OK
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11767029/and whig you are so right, this is a bunch of conversations, conversations of a collective consciousness of a like-minded group of people I humbly would like to add.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 11:00:33 PT
Just a Comment
The news is slow but I can't seem to stop watching Link TV today. We just watched this special. What quality and necessary programs are on now.Dioxin, Duplicity & Dupont The DuPont plant in DeLisle, Mississippi has been releasing large amounts of dioxin and heavy metals for a quarter century. This film explores health problems being experienced by residents and former workers, and evidence that oysters in the area exported for sale around the U.S. have been contaminated by DuPont's poisonous discharges. About 2,000 people have filed lawsuits against DuPont alleging pollution from this facility has harmed their health.http://www.sierraclubtv.org/
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Comment #43 posted by whig on March 11, 2006 at 08:58:33 PT
charmed quark
The politics are entertaining, but can also become annoying. Everybody analyzes everything you do in terms of their "Political Correctness" and then lectures you if you aren't up to snuff.I actually saw a protest on Shattuck & University, about 20 students/members of Not In Our Name protesting the Iraq war. It struck me as being very silly. Not because I disagree with them at all, but the impact of 20 students demonstrating on a corner in Berkeley is something less than consequential. Pretty much everyone ignored them/walked around them as if (as I expect) it's just a usual afternoon event.The demonstrators have no impact because, even apart from their utter predictability, they have nothing at stake themselves. It is not like the Vietnam war when students were being drafted. It is not even like Cindy Sheehan who lost her son. They've lost nothing more or less than any of us, they are privileged students who want to make themselves "feel good about doing something" about the war. Well, if it makes them feel good, ok, but it really isn't doing anything.Meantime, I will quietly sit and talk for hours with ostensible conservatives and even Bush supporters about what is going on, show them where they can find proof, and persuade them to rethink their positions. One-on-one. Person-to-person. I'll do the same with anyone, regardless of political philosophy. I enjoy doing this. Heck, what are we really doing here on CNews except having a bunch of conversations with one another? It's productive as heck. People actually do change their minds over time, given the right set of circumstances and experiences and a context in which to do so. It's not our words that persuade, but they help people to reconcile their own internal dissonance and get to a point of clarity.So, I guess what I'm saying is, if someone wants to start lecturing me on political correctness at Berkeley, I welcome the opportunity to explain what I think. If they have a point to make that I haven't thought of, it will help me to understand better. And vice-versa. But if someone just wants to spout talking points at me, I'll probably just have a good laugh. I'm not particularly concerned by that.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 08:45:55 PT
BGreen
I got Nero updated. I just wanted to thank you for the help. Now I am set to go again.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 07:07:25 PT
World Link TV
I can't find any news to post again today and yet I am energized by why they are showing on Link TV today. If you have Direct TV or Dish Network you can watch the Global Warming programs. They will repeat later on this morning. It's really uplifting for me to see programs about issues I care about being talked about.http://www.linktv.org/
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on March 11, 2006 at 06:18:08 PT
Al Gore on Global Warming
If you have World Link TV Al Gore is on again and my is it good. It shows the southern part of Florida gone. It is fascinating.
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Comment #39 posted by mayan on March 11, 2006 at 05:41:58 PT
Israel
Green Leaf Party May Win Seats in Israel: Israel's Pro-Marijuana Party Poised to Win Seats in Parliament on Strength of Youth Vote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1713004&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312On a completely unrelated note, Gayle Norton is resigning (Sure she is!). She is likely being forced out as she may get caught up in the Abramoff scandal. The wheels are coming off the Bushmobile. Look out! Interior Secretary Norton resigning:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060310-113416-1674r.htmMiscellaneous...30 US Reps for Bush Impeachment Inquiry:
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0035.htmlConservatives Are Jumping Ship: Bush Is Going Down:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m21397&hd=0&size=1&l=eAmericans take their ringside seats for the great conservative crack-up:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,19269-2078588,00.htmlOH MY OHIO: Third Election Official Indicted on Charges of Gaming 2004 Presidential Recount!http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002531.htm
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Comment #38 posted by charmed quark on March 11, 2006 at 04:51:58 PT
Berkeley, eh?
I think I would move to the Bay area if my family responsibilities would allow it. If for no other reason than to ensure I could use medicinal cannabis in a relatively supportive environment. The Bay area is definitely the best place in the USA for this.I would miss the full seasons, but on the other hand, it's a lot nicer there in February! Bicycling is fun year round there. I miss drinking my morning coffee outside in January like I use to do in California.The politics are entertaining, but can also become annoying. Everybody analyzes everything you do in terms of their "Political Correctness" and then lectures you if you aren't up to snuff.Lot's of wing nut ideas that can either be very entertaining or very annoying, depending on one's mood. I was very bemused at the baskets of yellow flags Berekely has placed at some of their traffic lights. Kids are suppose to pick up a flag and wave it as they cross the street and then deposit in the basket on the other side. The idea is that this will make drivers more aware of the pedestrians. Berkeley in action.Beautiful, beautiful views of the bay from the hillside. Everytime I go there I get mesmerized by these views, looking at the bridges and SF in the distance. I was visiting the good doctor there and wondered how he gets anything done at his home, way up the hill with a large picture window overlooking the bay. Sigh.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 22:57:33 PT
Off Topic: Coming Up On Link TV
PART 1 (First Two Hours)In the first segment, Link TV features Al Gore's Presentation on Global Warming, an eye-opening multi-media presentation about the catastrophic effects fast approaching if we continue emitting greenhouse gases at today’s rate. Using meticulous research, Gore takes us step by step through the latest scientific research and shows us how business decisions are driving bad environmental policy. http://worldlinktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=globalhttp://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=algore
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Comment #36 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 21:31:56 PT
FoM #34
"Little by little the public who doesn't want to see anything change comes to a point of understanding."This is why I always advocate change through social means. Talking to people. One-to-one, friend-to-friend, if necessary. We just need to get people to think about things a little more openly, and they will understand in time. Then the politics of the situation change on their own. We never ever have to pull a lever to get our way. Some people will continue to do this for awhile longer, and I know you've said you vote, and I don't condemn it because you aren't trying to change the whole system right now you're more focused on this issue. I don't want to have a "good" president for four years, and then another bad one, and we're back to square one. I want something more permanent: an end to the social acceptance of violence, on earth as it is in heaven.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 21:24:24 PT
BGreen
My husband understands what you said but I don't. As long as he does that ok with me. I will make sure I uncheck the yahoo toolbar when I do the download. I am probably going to wait until tomorrow. Once I install the Nero update I should have everything I had before the crash. I do have my spare computer tower sitting right next to this one and I can switch it if something goes wrong. Thanks again!
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 21:17:01 PT
whig
You did the right thing letting your wife decide. That shows partnership skills. Sometimes I need to get my way and sometimes my husband needs to get his way. It's very normal and natural. You will enjoy your new experience. The gay issue is accepted more now then ever. A few years ago they wouldn't have dared make a gay cowboy movie but now it's acceptable. We have Weeds and that is making our issue more main stream. Little by little the public who doesn't want to see anything change comes to a point of understanding.
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Comment #33 posted by BGreen on March 10, 2006 at 21:13:46 PT
IMPORTANT, FoM!!!
If you download the update for Nero, make sure you uncheck the little box right above the download button that says "Yahoo toolbar."You don't need it and, trust me, you don't want to install it.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #32 posted by BGreen on March 10, 2006 at 21:10:52 PT
You're welcome, FoM
The power supply is in the box at the rear top of your computer, the thing with the fan that the power cord is plugged into and has all of the wires coming out of it that plug into your motherboard and hard drives, etc.It powers the whole computer.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #31 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 21:06:22 PT
FoM
I thought a little about where I could be more effective too, even though the primary decision was which school my wife would be going to. I just operated on the assumption that both schools would be equally good, though it turns out my wife thinks Berkeley suits her better academically too.Anyhow, had we gone to New Haven, I'd have continued to have to be pretty quiet and just making contacts with people and building up private community like I've tried to do here, but I think it would be an improvement on where we are now. I had a dream about what it would be like, living sort of in the hidden places of the dark monastery. I knew I'd be safe and we'd be protected, but I also knew it would be difficult and I'd always be in some fear of exposure, not just for my own sake but for my wife as well, and it could have been very tough. I really wanted to go to Berkeley, but if I pressed my wife to decide that because of my priorities it wouldn't have been her decision too, so I really kept my counsel to myself on this. I always try to be open with my wife about what I think but in this case I just couldn't say what I thought because if she decided to make me happy it could have made her miserable and I wouldn't want that.I think in Berkeley, as long as we are just talking about advocacy and not doing anything that we couldn't talk about here on CNews, I don't even think there's any reason I'd need to keep my opinions private. It's like coming out into some sunlight for a change.I think the gay culture is analogous in some ways and has really broken a lot of ground for us in this. I thought about that when I used the term "coming out" above because I thought maybe I should rephrase that, but it's really sort of the same thing, just regarding a different alternative than sexual preference. I'm a pot activist, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, but I know that in a conservative climate it isn't helpful to say so publicly. Just like you explained with your horse analogy, it's where the public is. But where the public is in the Bay Area is not the same as where the public is here.Still have a few months until we move, though. I'm going to try to get together with as many of my friends as I can before we leave town, and maybe from where we're going I can continue to shine a little bit of light this direction.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 20:54:44 PT
BGreen
Thank you. What's a power supply?
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Comment #29 posted by BGreen on March 10, 2006 at 20:52:49 PT
After my own system crash, here is the Nero info
http://nero.com/nero6/enu/Support_News_Service_Pack_2_Inquiries.htmlMy power supply burned out as I was searching for this info.My computer just shut down without warning.I put in another power supply I had in another computer and now I'm back in business.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 20:47:01 PT
whig
I am for medical cannabis but I want to see the laws changed altogether. I try to stay in tune with what society in general is finding acceptable. I do way more MMJ articles because that is what is happening in different areas and there are way more articles about MMJ then legalization, so I don't want to run ahead of what the average citizen believes. My thinking comes from my life. I trained horses and taught children. You can't make a child or a horse understand more then they can at a certain time. You wait until they learn and then it works and you can move on. Connecting the dots for the general public will bring acceptability and understanding. I get totally turned off when I am told I must believe this way or that way. I believe many people feel the same way.
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Comment #27 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 20:34:30 PT
FoM
I don't think you're really that conservative, but you're in a conservative part of the country like I am and it's part of how we blend in here. Democrats in Western Pennsylvania and Ohio are conservative too, and they wouldn't even think of openly calling themselves liberals if they even were. They talk about jobs and never about freedom. So we talk here online like this, and we have our friends that know us, but in public you could never just openly say you are for legal cannabis and expect to be taken seriously.But in another sense you really are conservative because you say you are for medical marijuana being legal, but you don't go further than that. A fair number of us here are outspokenly pro-cannabis. So it's all relative, I guess.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 20:07:44 PT
whig
It is beautiful up in Connecticut. I really love the north east. I'm conservative in many ways and I would be more comfortable up that away but my spirit would really like Berkeley. What can I say my family has always been conservative.
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Comment #25 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 19:56:12 PT
New Haven
It's actually a very liberal town too, in its way. The university campus at Yale is kind of like a monastery though. Surrounded by a ring of granola. Lots of arts and restaurants and bookshops. The hippies there are just more conservative in appearance. Which is kind of like me, actually. Most people would have no idea at all that I'm any kind of pot activist. I think it's really amusing the kinds of conversations that take place between two people in a place where we can't openly say what we're saying so we just kind of talk around it, and know what the other means, but it will be a lot nicer to be somewhere that I can just be straightforward with people sometimes like we talk here on CNews or on Museman's site. But anyhow that's what Group W Bench was kind of like, I had a really nice chat with the girl there about New Haven vs. Berkeley and she said she goes to New York a lot, as it's an hour and a half by train and $20 roundtrip is probably a whole lot less than even parking in NYC would be.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 19:40:25 PT
whig
Berkeley has it's own spirit. It has always stood for thinking outside the box. I've never been there but that's what I believe about Berkeley. Emma is a very pretty name.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 19:34:18 PT
FoM
One of the things I liked about Berkeley is that even anarchism is not out of the "political mainstream." There was even a poster in the UC library about something to do with Emma Goldman. (My wife and I think Emma would be a good name if we have a daughter some day.)
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 19:23:48 PT
BGreen
They sure don't mention drinking.I need some help when you have time if you don't mind. I have all my programs back on my computer but the Nero compatibility problem happens again. I can't find the download page you posted for me when I first got this computer. This is the number of the program. Thanks for any help.Nero Burning ROM 6,3,0,2
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Comment #21 posted by BGreen on March 10, 2006 at 19:14:21 PT
Is anybody watching 20/20 on ABC?
It's about binge drinking girls.It really pisses me off, especially since the war on some drugs doesn't even acknowledge this deadly problem.These deaths are on the hands of congress and john walters!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #20 posted by gloovins on March 10, 2006 at 18:46:37 PT
sorta off topic..
but relevant & somewhat of a relief ... Jesus, that'a a good ruling!
Court upholds "Bong tokes for Jesus" sign; tells principal she should've known..
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Comment #19 posted by mayan on March 10, 2006 at 18:27:08 PT
Max,FoM
Max, you took the words right out of my mouth. Actually, you said it better than I could.FoM, ending poverty would end many of the problems that plaque the inner cities as poverty is the root cause of many crimes. THE WAY OUT...Comparison of Thermite Reaction Demonstration
to Video Footage of Material Dropping from
WTC 2 Just Prior to Collapse on Sept 11th 2001:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Thermite.htmOur Finest Hour:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/9/21834/246849/11 Podcasts:
http://visibility911.libsyn.com/
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 18:00:41 PT
whig
Thank you. That I understand.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 17:38:12 PT
FoM
Short summary:People should do what gives their lives purpose and not be enslaved to work for the comfort of others on penalty of starvation or being forced out of doors if they refuse.We are a tremendously wealty society with enough to keep everyone above at least a subsistence level of existence. The wealthy and powerful elite do not want the poor to have their needs provided, because who then will do their laundry for them?
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 17:16:29 PT
whig
I went thru the article but I don't understand it but I don't understand long articles. I get lost in long articles. Politicians are long winded and what they start out to say isn't what they mean by the time they stop talking. I like short exact articles that make a point and I can figure out if I agree or disagree with the point. I didn't like reading books either. I have a short attention span.
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 17:09:43 PT
may it come
for 'all good peopleand the hand of powersee the face of the god who they bow,may they see the face of the God who never sleeps
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Comment #14 posted by Max Flowers on March 10, 2006 at 17:07:22 PT
whig
Glad to hear you guys decided to come here. It's a good choice. I think you will enjoy being in the liberal epicenter of the known American universe. Sorry I couldn't make it down there to meet ya, but we'll do that soon. Feel free to hit me with any queries about the area.Thanks for your analysis and I agree with your points. My original post was more meant as cheerleading or rabble-rousing than legal analysis! Sometimes I just feel like saying something to get everybody riled, because I think we need a lot more of that.g_w, yes I'm quite sure I'm not a lawyer. whig is a lot closer than I am to that distinction in my opinion. But thanks for the compliment (is being mistaken for a lawyer a compliment, or...?). I really like the concept of we humans having sovereignty over our own bodies. If we don't control that, we don't control anything and might as well get a "breathing permit" from the government too.
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Comment #13 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 17:05:47 PT
Or, for another perspective
http://www.zpub.com/notes/black-work.html
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on March 10, 2006 at 17:04:13 PT
Something Interesting I Think
My sister was in Baltimore and talked to a cop that had to deal with the drug problems in the inner city. My sister is a retired police woman and she was impressed with his way of looking at the drug issue. He said that he sees whole families being consumed by heroin or cocaine. Soon their children are following in their footsteps. He doesn't believe jail is the answer and treatment sometimes helps but the problem is as soon as they get out of treatment and have the best intentions they have no job to go back to or future. Society needs to understand that people need work. Without a job and self esteem what else can be expected?
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Comment #11 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 17:02:42 PT
My hand
Does not vote. My hand does not pull the lever that gives some men power and authority over other men, to put them in a cell, to take away their freedom, to drop bombs, to kill, to destroy. My hand does not participate, but my voice speaks for love and redemption, may it come soon for each and every one of us.
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Comment #10 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 16:53:02 PT
Too Many
you have my AmenYou also have Anger,My Hand,That 'votes My Handin my little place in this worldmay 'my 'little handcast a' first palmTo' a clearer better wayThat is a 'votethat is also known as "emanicipation
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Comment #9 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 16:38:43 PT
how many more of us are in prisons?
Too many.
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Comment #8 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 16:36:02 PT
in that mean time
how many more of us are in prisons?modernism has changed the face of crucifixioneven if you have never said a bad 'wordagainst ceaser,that is ceaser,that rules and tells the 'lawyers how they should think,it matters "notwhat drugs that you usethere is a final questionwhere each answermust come forthbefore Eternitynaked, 'we those peoplestand beforea reflecting pool
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Comment #7 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 16:12:03 PT
that is so good to hear
that another twinkle in this worldcan add and magnifythis journey
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Comment #6 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 16:04:04 PT
global_warming
It was a good trip, and we've decided we're moving to Berkeley in the summer.
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Comment #5 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 15:56:59 PT
in 'that ..mean time
there are songs,BRYAN ADAMS LYRICS"Native Son"I've seen many moons through these wrinkled eyes
The years have made me old but they've made me wise
Now the white man lives where our rivers runFor now better days have passed
We walk the streets of broken glass
Our people vanished as snow before the summer sun
Like dogs we were driven from this place
Such injustice, time will not erase
All these changes cannot be undoneWhen you feel the anger inside of you
Hold your head high - let your aim be true
Though your heart beats like a drum
My native sonOnce there was a time my little one
Before the wagons - before the soldiers' guns
When this land was ours as far as the eagle flies
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Comment #4 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 15:47:18 PT
whigger
it is good to see you back,how was your 'trip?Hope you are well.
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Comment #3 posted by global_warming on March 10, 2006 at 15:39:10 PT
..as a sovereign human being..
That was so excellent Max,You sure you are not a 'lawyer?The adjective "sovereign" is used to refer to the philosophical concept or state of sovereignty.Sovereign is another term for monarch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoverignI have been wondering, what ever happened to Dr. Craker, and his experiences with those 'wonderful folks at the dea?
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Comment #2 posted by whig on March 10, 2006 at 15:20:44 PT
Max
I think what haunted the majority on the Raich decision was the idea that the commerce clause jurisprudence could fall. The Raich attorneys also did not facially challenge the CSA's constitutionality to enact prohibitory regulation, nor did they argue a superceding medical necessity defense, which is still apparently live in the lower courts.UDV seems to recognize a religious right to take sacramental herbs, and if the 9th Circuit hears Raich 2 soon, it might put things back in our corner again very soon for medical cannabis as well.
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Comment #1 posted by Max Flowers on March 10, 2006 at 14:34:44 PT
Tha hayl yew say...!
Raich also rejects, implicitly, the argument made by the plaintiffs that they were deserving of special-group status, as a small class of people just trying to get through life without unnecessary pain and suffering. But the court couldn't tell how the perimeter around that special group could be drawn to prevent it from including half the potheads in the Bay Area. Haunted by visions of newly diagnosed "glaucoma" sufferers lining up for their stash with forged doctors' notes in hand, the court held that making this one exception might in fact unravel the entire national drug-enforcement regime.So let me get this straight---seeing a dilemma that basically pits human rights against the perceived risk of some people having a chance to abuse a system and---horrors!---get high without authorization, the Supreme Court of the United States ignored the needs of the sick and suffering living in "the land of the free" in their haste to insure that these hypothetical people who might possibly get stoned without their blessing don't get stoned. That's outrageous.I don't care what a Supreme Court Justice thinks I am/am not entitled to do with my body... as a sovereign human being I have innate medical rights that allow me to seek a natural, botanical treatment for something that ails me. THAT is the essence of American freedom. Human rights are bigger than supreme courts and federal laws and should (truly) be the basis for them.And the above scare secenario is just stupid, as dispensaries are very thorough about checking recommendations; no "forged doctor's notes" make it through the filter. So these reefer madness "haunting visions" the justices supposedly had are way over the top.
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