cannabisnews.com: Drop The Pot Provisions In 'Methi-juana' Bill Drop The Pot Provisions In 'Methi-juana' Bill Posted by CN Staff on February 05, 2006 at 11:00:02 PT Empire Editorial Source: Juneau Empire Alaska -- In 1975 the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that the state's constitution affords its residents a right to privacy protecting them from prosecution for possessing small amounts of marijuana in the home. To this day that interpretation stands as the law of the land, with privacy implications extending well beyond the drug war.In 2006, Alaska is trying to get ahead of a health and safety scourge - methamphetamine manufacturing and sales - that has ravaged parts of the Lower 48 and increasingly threatens Alaskans. What do the two have in common? Nothing, which is why lawmakers now reviewing a proposal to crack down on both methamphetamine cookers and marijuana possessors should rip the bill in two.On Wednesday the Alaska House rejected a combined drug-enforcement measure approved by the Senate, and some representatives objected to proponents bypassing their chamber's vetting procedures by lumping the drugs together. Some also objected to removal of a log-book requirement that would allow police to track people who buy meth's core ingredients over the counter from pharmacists.The bill approved by the Senate also would criminalize home possession of 4 ounces of marijuana, the legislated amount previously considered small enough to be covered by the court precedent.The Senate legislation now faces conference negotiations with the House, in which it should be split up and the marijuana provisions dropped from further consideration. Where in-home possession of marijuana is essentially a personal decision, right or wrong, methamphetamine manufacture and use present both environmental and public safety dangers. Meth users pose a danger to many around them, not least police officers, while meth cookers create health and safety hazards for their neighbors. Merging an unconstitutional anti-marijuana measure with a necessary attack on meth-making amounts to a sneak attack in the name of election-year pandering. The marijuana ban deserves its own examination, through the complete legislative process, and then it deserves to be dumped as a waste of state effort and money.The bill's proponents, including the Murkowski administration and its Department of Law, reject the Supreme Court's precedent and want another day in court. With this legislation they are trying to make a case that today's marijuana is not your 1975 hippie's marijuana, but instead is much more potent. They note that laws against cocaine possession have survived privacy-based challenges because cocaine can be a killer, and argue that today's marijuana is more menacing than yesterday's.But the Alaska Supreme Court has declined administration appeals to review the issue, and as recently as 2004 the Alaska Court of Appeals rejected the state's claim that it could execute search warrants for small amounts of marijuana. Nothing is new here except the year and the election cycle. Passage of the Senate's so-called "methi-juana" bill would merely ensure that police would invade someone's privacy and that the state would follow up by prosecuting that offender only to be shot down once more for violating the Alaska Constitution.Meth and marijuana present vastly different physical, social and legal issues. They deserve separate consideration in the Legislature. Source: Juneau Empire (AK)Published: February 5, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Southeastern Newspaper CorpWebsite: http://www.juneauempire.com/Contact: letterstotheeditor juneauempire.comRelated Articles:Lawmakers Seek To Test Pot Leniency in Court http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21570.shtml House Rejects Marijuana-Meth Billhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21555.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #102 posted by FoM on February 07, 2006 at 21:43:02 PT BGreen When my husband and I were watching the church service today and when Senator Kennedy read the beatitutes the church had church. There is nothing more wonderful then feeling the presence of God and that we did. That is when you know that you know that you know. I know you'll understand what I mean.Do you know why so many Irish Catholics are Democrats? I saw a tv show on one of the Discovery Channels and the Kennedys family came from Ireland. People from Ireland saw famine and death. That's why I believe most of them are Democrats because they don't want to see people suffer.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine_%281845-1849%29http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes [ Post Comment ] Comment #101 posted by BGreen on February 07, 2006 at 21:30:20 PT Stay strong, global_warming! We need you! I read the transcript of Bernice King's eulogy out loud to Mrs. Green, and the Spirit of God came over me in a very powerful way. I've still got goose bumps.I didn't even read through her words before I made the attempt to deliver them, but her words flowed from my mouth with ease because I've been going through the exact same soul searching lately.I've been empowered by the King through His faithful servant who has been given the earthly name of King.We SHALL overcome! Love WILL overcome hatred! Peace WILL overcome war! The peacemakers WILL overcome the war mongers!Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."I am a new man, a better man, a stronger man.Thank you Martin, Coretta and Bernice.You see, all of my Cannabisnews.com family, WE are the children of God!We've already won.The Reverend Bud Green [ Post Comment ] Comment #100 posted by ekim on February 07, 2006 at 20:16:49 PT G W be cool are you all right. we are all here together. [ Post Comment ] Comment #99 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:56:24 PT if you have no money you cannot go 'home, [ Post Comment ] Comment #98 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:47:24 PT a spark in this 98th post,continues to 'witness'birth,some stupid sparkle. easily explained, some trick of light and optics, do you have medical insurance??Do you have 'money? [ Post Comment ] Comment #97 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:08 PT may i receive some secular correction?my shit face, in this Eternal Ecstasy,has 'always, an 'open 'hand... [ Post Comment ] Comment #96 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:18:14 PT all the losers gather to the left, and all the winners, gather to the right,and 'we 'all fall down, [ Post Comment ] Comment #95 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:09:15 PT tomorrow is too late,it is here and now,'we come to the 'table,can 'we come to this table?with a clear mind? [ Post Comment ] Comment #94 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 16:02:21 PT global_warming I love you too. Dawn is breaking. [ Post Comment ] Comment #93 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:01:53 PT this to shall pass amen [ Post Comment ] Comment #92 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 16:00:45 PT brother whig i love you, getting older,it is darker before the dawn, [ Post Comment ] Comment #91 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 16:00:32 PT global_warming "i wish i never was born,"Whatever you are grieving for, this too shall pass. [ Post Comment ] Comment #90 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:57:55 PT global_warming Our leaves are for the healing of the nations. We can restore sight to the blind. [ Post Comment ] Comment #89 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:56:44 PT i have not forgotten yet there are so many who have lost sight,i wish i never was born, [ Post Comment ] Comment #88 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:52:40 PT global_warming I have not forgotten. Have you? [ Post Comment ] Comment #87 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:51:31 PT that is a 'mercy that 'we have forgotten, [ Post Comment ] Comment #86 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:49:24 PT global_warming One may abide a long time in darkness, but only ask for help and find the way back. [ Post Comment ] Comment #85 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:47:27 PT answer if a soul strays away from the Light,it can lose the way back to the Light [ Post Comment ] Comment #84 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:45:27 PT global_warming All souls can be redeemed.If you deny this, then how will your own be redeemed? [ Post Comment ] Comment #83 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:43:25 PT do you 'believe that? i do not believe that all souls can be redeemed. [ Post Comment ] Comment #82 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:32:47 PT global_warming All souls can be redeemed. [ Post Comment ] Comment #81 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:31:44 PT they have no souls they have sold their souls into slavery [ Post Comment ] Comment #80 posted by whig on February 07, 2006 at 15:29:39 PT global_warming They have souls. [ Post Comment ] Comment #79 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:12:50 PT oh, i forgot those jack footed slaves have no souls.. [ Post Comment ] Comment #78 posted by global_warming on February 07, 2006 at 15:10:02 PT re:the world is sick wish it were just about some plant, wish it was so simple,yet there are so many who hide in the loins of that secular prince, they hide, they can 'never show their faces, for if they ever showed their faces, it would be so easy to see faces so filled with fear, doubt and misunderstanding.to the mrs. runruff, i don't know where to go, in fact there is no place to go, stand and fight only leads to more crucifixions, it does seem that those who have the thickest leather on the bottoms of their feet, those jack booted fools, may someday awaken..to see that Glorious Light, that will shine upon their souls. [ Post Comment ] Comment #77 posted by observer on February 07, 2006 at 10:39:26 PT For Propaganda Value They Lump 'Em Together Meth and marijuana present vastly different physical, social and legal issues. They deserve separate consideration in the Legislature.Yeah, logically. But for sheer propaganda value, the shrewd prohibitionist knows instinctively to lump pot together with "meth" or crack or smack or what have you. Guilt by (word) association. It is a classic drug war propaganda technique.ConflationIn the propaganda of prohibition, it is often useful to blend together different aspects of various substances, claiming that "drugs" lead to death or at least mental and bodily illness. "'YOU ARE ALL potential customers of death and destruction,' the Suffolk County Police Department representative said. His words sent a chill down my spine, though I'm not sure they were understood by the 200 fifth graders who sat in the school cafeteria for their DARE graduation the other day, my daughter among them. He was referring to the fact that someone may try to sell them drugs . . ."[52] Sometimes it is helpful to enlist the woes caused by any and every drug, when talking about a specific substance. If using a certain drug isn't associated with a given problem, drift over into a more helpful "drugs," instead. "How ironic that a marijuana legalization endorsement . . . follows in the footsteps of [the newspaper] series, 'Violence: A Hidden Epidemic.' It's misguided journalism to overlook the direct link between violence and marijuana or other drug use."[53] "The lesson about the perils of drugs has come at an incredible cost. . . . drugs have gained a highly idealized reputation as a path of emotional release in modern times. This romantic view, pedalled hard by the marijuana traders of Nimbin and the amphetamine salesmen of the Gold Coast night scene, rarely includes the awful down side of their seedy trade. . . . about deaths, about scrambled minds, about armed robbery . . ."[54] Drug War Propaganda, p. 57 http://www.cafepress.com/drugpropaganda2Shell game. Bait and switch. It works, most of the time. Drug War Propaganda [ Post Comment ] Comment #76 posted by runderwo on February 07, 2006 at 10:21:22 PT heh "THC alone just doesn't cut it.. you need the whole ball of hash" [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by siege on February 07, 2006 at 09:31:29 PT Marinol & DEA & Steve Marinol : DEA will say that they keep Steve Kubby alive with it, so you don't need the full plant medicine. they have missed the real thing here, THC IS NOT,, the hole ball of wax. A person needs all of the cannabinoid found in cannabis... so it can work it's live saving miracles. [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by Hope on February 07, 2006 at 07:20:55 PT The world is sick with reefer madness. [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by Hope on February 07, 2006 at 07:20:11 PT The Canadian officials that said Steve Kubby wouldn't be arrested and inprisoned without his livesaving medicine were wrong. I sure hope they are aware of what is happening to Steve and his family. Surely Michelle and the girls still have friends in California that will let them stay with them until they can find a home of some sort.It looks to me like the Canadian officials ought to be raising some sort of heat about what is being done to Steve and his family.Even after his sentence is served, they won't be able to return to Canada where they had more peace, will they? [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by The GCW on February 07, 2006 at 01:30:57 PT afterburner, Mole On The DoleThe Climax Blues BandT4H2C0UHow significant. Listen. [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by afterburner on February 06, 2006 at 22:26:35 PT RE Kubby's Marinol (Path of least resistance) Moving to The Next Step In Placer “Justice”: House-Arrest for the Homeless; Expensive Medicine for the Impoverished. Kubby and Marinol. Posted by Richard Cowan on 2006-02-05 16:20:00 Source: "House arrest is difficult when someone has been rendered homeless. It is not easy to find a place where a man can live under constant court supervision and still consume cannabis in large quantities. Oh yes, and the cannabis has to appear magically like manna from heaven because he will not have the time or resources to grow his own, and if he did the Feds could arrest him at any time for growing. "Anyone having any ideas about where they can live in California, and/or how they can get Steve sufficient amounts of whole cannabis when he is released, should contact Michele at Michele kubby.com"(MarijuanaNews note: The overthrow of Overgrow. Later this week, I will have a full report on the busting of Overgrow.com and others. Also please see the statement by Michele Kubby at the end of this posting.) "Read Full Story..." http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=883 The reported take down of Overgrow and other websites by Canadian police is a game of whack-a-mole. I know of several other Canadian sites that are still up and running."There is no more new frontier, so we have got to make it here." --The Last Resort by The Eagles [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 21:51:15 PT whig You could be right. I don't know. When someone gets arrested in Canada it usually hits the papers fairly quickly or at least that's what I have seen. [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by whig on February 06, 2006 at 21:48:28 PT FoM Isn't Overgrow in Canada though? So the legal system is different, I don't know that things are necessarily publicized in the same way. [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 21:26:55 PT whig That's what I mean. He or they maybe can't speak because others are going to get in trouble so they won't warn anyone. I don't know but someone should know something. I also thought that arrests become public fairly quickly. That's why our little once a week town newspaper has a police log. [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by whig on February 06, 2006 at 21:22:23 PT FoM "I am not one of the people who went to any of the web sites but I know that they were big. When nothing is heard my honest thoughts are they going to take down a lot of people with them? I don't like thinking that people don't have integrity but what can anyone think with silence this long?"I'd like to assume that the proprietor of Overgrow, etc. has integrity, but may be in extreme legal jeopardy and under the advice of counsel may not be able to say anything or warn anyone or he could be charged with interfering with some sort of ongoing investigation. [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 20:49:26 PT Max Flowers I am not one of the people who went to any of the web sites but I know that they were big. When nothing is heard my honest thoughts are they going to take down a lot of people with them? I don't like thinking that people don't have integrity but what can anyone think with silence this long? [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by Max Flowers on February 06, 2006 at 20:45:00 PT CW & OG This situation is getting more bizarre an worrisome every day that the owner doesn't say anything to the community. It may mean that he is being held without bail, but I seriously doubt that, with what I know about the Canadian system. I sure hope he got out today or is getting out tomorrow. Marc Emery has been stating info about it on his site, but we have no way to know for sure if it is true or accurate. We need to hear from the man himself (whose name is probably Richard). It's hard to believe that he hasn't had any time with his attorney yet and asked him to issue a communique to all the people whose safety his servers may be keeping safe or are about to compromise. Thousands of people need some answers. [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 20:32:59 PT The GCW I haven't found any news not even something in the Canadian Press. Nothing at all and it is very strange to me. Why hasn't the owner of the web sites contacted someone? He must have had close people he talked to and could share the information for those who might be concerned. If something happened here you would know very fast. That's the polite and proper thing to do. [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by The GCW on February 06, 2006 at 20:00:25 PT whig, FoM, whig, good observations.FoM, has any mainstreem Cannadian newspaper reporte about overgrow etc, yet? [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 18:45:15 PT whig Thank you for the link. [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by whig on February 06, 2006 at 18:42:01 PT San Diego NORML http://www.sandiegonorml.com/Looking at their website, the county suit seems particularly insane. Here's a group which "will be having our first meeting very soon". They haven't even organized yet, and they're supposed to be defendants in a lawsuit by the county against state law? [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by whig on February 06, 2006 at 18:34:01 PT mayan "Whig, as OverwhelmSam said, San Diego sued NORML because they knew they were going to get sued by NORML. I don't understand it but nothing the San Diego supervisors have done makes any sense to me. They are only embarrassing themselves and the entire city of San Diego."Well, as Max and I were talking about the other day, while San Diego has a really wack case to make regarding the Supremacy and Commerce clauses, at least there is some arguable basis for suit. They knew they would lose in the 9th Circuit, so they refiled in state court. This is dumb, because they're now in the position of asking the state to overrule itself by interpreting federal law, but dumb strategy does not change the basic arguable case.With respect to NORML, though, I just cannot make heads or tails. You cannot sue someone on the basis that they will sue you if you don't sue them first. That doesn't even pass the laugh test. I mean, yeah, technically anyone can sue anyone any time for any reason, regardless of whether or not the case has any merit at all. But if you don't have a reasonable cause of action you're going to get tossed out of court and probably assessed fees for vexatious litigation.I want to assume that the county isn't completely incompetent, even if the managers are, they presumably have counsel who would tell them that there is no case to be made for pre-emptively suing NORML unless there is some basis to such a suit. I just cannot figure out what it could possibly be. [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by mayan on February 06, 2006 at 18:24:04 PT Whig,FoM Whig, as OverwhelmSam said, San Diego sued NORML because they knew they were going to get sued by NORML. I don't understand it but nothing the San Diego supervisors have done makes any sense to me. They are only embarrassing themselves and the entire city of San Diego.FoM, the Stones didn't sound good but having only played three songs it was probably impossible to get warmed up. The sound system didn't help matters either! I saw them in '89 and they sounded great! I wonder how much they got paid?THE WAY OUT...Mike Malloy Has No Doubt The 'Bush Crime Family' Is Responsible For 9/11: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060204154320631View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htmHow Did The WTC Towers Drop So Easily? http://www.newsfocus.org/wtc_fire.htmA 9/11 Conspirator in King Bush's Court? http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0202-32.htmNew Flyer for Upcoming Oakland 9/11 Truth Event: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/new-flyer-for-upcoming-northern.htmlOklahoma Truth Convergence '06: http://www.cerebellum.tv/fvideo/OkConvergence06.php [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 18:11:32 PT runruffswife I'm very glad you agree. [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by runruffswife on February 06, 2006 at 17:53:44 PT: stand and fight "There isn't any where to go. Standing and fighting for change is the answer. " Yes FOM!http://www.terryhubbard.com/Let/LetMyPeopleGrow.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 17:51:05 PT hey gcw its only 'we those people,this 'world is built on deeper 'principles,the news' is only another type of commercial grab at 'ratingsthere is a core in this reality time,that is bringing forththat 'new child,you can give this child a name. [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by The GCW on February 06, 2006 at 17:38:48 PT From THC Ministry, I went to see if this news about overgrow etc. is over there...This is one noteworthy post from it...:- Don Quixote wrote:with respect Cannada , America , britain , Australia and New Zealand are all monitoring their populations through GCHQ because they are part of JINCPAC (join t intelligence something or other)these countries ARE the new world order (as hitler called it) or the fourth reich or whatever you wanna call it. it is time to wake up , turn off our television and admit that the afore mentioned countries are part of a fascist , corporate neo-nazi empire.WE are the enemy. so please dont be surprised if the corporate press didnt bother to mention this news , or if people just shrug their shoulders when they do hear about it. before anyone gets angry with me let me ask you this - what more do the afore mentioned states have to do before we all realise that we have become nazi's.???? build concentration camps and torture camps ? - done. throw away all our civil liberties ? - done. change all the laws ? - done. invade and swallow up the world ? - done. dress up our politzai in black uniforms with shmeizers ? - done. start demonizing foreign people to distract us ? - done. start demonising any 'non-conformists' ? - done. start using phrases straight out of 'mein kampfe ' (such as new world order , homeland security , etc , etc , etc.) ? done. hand over the reigns of power to a bunch of corporations ? - done. turn the entire western world into a bunch of selfish , freightened sheep ? - done. convince us to spy on each other and even our own families ? - done. convince us that in order to protect our freedom they must take away all our freedoms ? - done. (how the feck did the sell that one to us?!) hate me if you want - but doesn't all this make our countries into fascist states ? if not , what more do 'they' have to do? gotta go , men with butterfly nets and strait-jackets are knocking on my door ( agaaain) http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6249 [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by Hope on February 06, 2006 at 17:34:22 PT Global Warming I don't think your song "is about me". But, it's sometimes difficult for me to understand your poems. I hope you aren't saying that you are glad the women here are brokenhearted about what is happening to our friend, Runruff. Surely not?Is it alright to ask a poet what his poem is about?Are you still miffed at us for defending Michael Moore against the term you used in reference to his weight problem? [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 17:31:04 PT that is 'can as in Cannabis [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 17:29:01 PT from a front-row seat 'we can change this 'world,'we can [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 17:02:36 PT Lest 'we forget all the secular 'womenthat song,I wanna be around to pick up the pieces When somebody breaks your heartSome somebody twice as smart as IA somebody who will swear to be true As you used to do with meWho'll leave you to learnThat mis'ry loves company, wait and seeI mean, I wanna be around to see how he does itWhen he breaks your heart to bitsLet's see if the puzzle fits so fineAnd that's when I'll discover that revenge is sweetAs I sit there applaudin' from a front-row seatWhen somebody breaks your heartLike you, like you broke mine [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by Hope on February 06, 2006 at 16:43:28 PT The end of the world as we know it. That song, the last time I heard it, made me think of what some....prohibitionists...might have to say when cannabis is legal again. "It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine.":0) [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 16:31:37 PT 'we can change this world with our hands,our minds,our eternal souls,CannabisForever is a gateway. [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 16:18:20 PT the world serves it 'own needs..from those lyrics,and those certificates,there is a larger Light,in this world'we are the 'chosen,Mark how you look into this murky pool,for it might be some sparkle, from the side of your eye,that can fill your entire universe,it is 'always darkest, before the 'lightDawn is forever announcing,this 'new world, [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 15:59:14 PT wow awesomethanksfrom a fellow traveler [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 15:58:04 PT Graehstone I really like that song by REM. [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by Graehstone on February 06, 2006 at 15:40:44 PT Got this song stuck in my head for some reason ... It's The End of the World As We Know it (and I Feel Fine) REMThat's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs.Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height.Wire in a fire, representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped. Look at that low playing! Fine, then.Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself.World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right.You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers.Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn.Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting.Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier.Renegade steer clear!A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies.Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide.Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it. can't I have some time alone?It's the end of the world as we know it can't I have some time alone? and I feel fine...fine...It's the end of the world as we know it.It's the end of the world as we know it. can't I have some time alone?It's the end of the world as we know it can't I have some time alone? and I feel fine...fine... [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 15:35:17 PT consider this observation gorillas, cannot read,they want a piece of this existence,that peice that forever eludes,like so..many who have saught, that 'Light, at the foot,of the table. [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by global_warming on February 06, 2006 at 15:26:11 PT that is so..true the gorillas are beating their chests.. [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by potpal on February 06, 2006 at 15:19:53 PT Nobody told me there'll be days like these... Times like this I feel like a human on the planet of the apes... [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by OverwhelmSam on February 06, 2006 at 14:34:37 PT All Web Sites are Cached You can still access the information from just about any website that is gone. For instance, here is Google's cache of Overgrow.comhttp://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:uRg4ajVED-QJ:www.overgrow.com/+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1As far as NORML being sued, San Diego just filed suit before NORML filed their suit against San Diego. NORML will just file a counter suit. They politicians in San Diego are such babies. After they embarass the hell out of San Diega, I look forward to them getting fired in the next election. "What message are we sending to the politicians?" Back off of you're marijuana prejudice or it will cost you your job. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 13:52:07 PT Correction I didn't mean to say legal and illegal but cannabis as well as hard illegal drugs. There I feel better. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 13:48:52 PT dongenero I think they will probably have a great Olympics. They should get lots of people from all around the world and many from the western states of the USA. I haven't been out of the United States so I don't know the world views issues. I've been in many states but that's as far as I've traveled. I don't know of any country as outspoken about drug related issues legal or illegal accept maybe Amsterdam but there again I have no way of knowing. It's just what I think. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by dongenero on February 06, 2006 at 13:43:51 PT Vancouver is great Vancouver is a fantastic place! Culture, great outdoor lifestyle, the mountains, the ocean. Beautiful!They will host a great Olympics.I really think the US generally stands more in cultural contrast with much of the world than Vancouver does. I feel that Vancouver is quite cosmopolitan. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by Graehstone on February 06, 2006 at 13:27:00 PT Sites gone :( Well that just ... bites huh? I had only recently found Overgrow.com and thought it to be extremely informative. Just figures that a few days after I actually sign up (I had/have some questions)they get busted. Sigh ... it's a dark and dangerous world we live in. How's that old goldie go, "The times they are a changin'" [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 13:13:15 PT Wishful Thinking About Steve Kubby Wouldn't it be good if somehow Steve could use Sativex? I'm sure that's not possible but it would be great if it could happen. [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by Hope on February 06, 2006 at 13:10:31 PT Maybe the Semblers could atone for their sins a bit...by paying for Steve Kubby's Marinol. [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by Hope on February 06, 2006 at 13:09:37 PT The price of Marinol and life and death. I feared this. I knew the jail wouldn't pay for it...and good grief...who could, besides maybe Mel Sembler? [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 13:08:49 PT dongenero There isn't any where to go. Standing and fighting for change is the answer. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 13:02:02 PT dongenero We are all just North America now. We are global and we work with Canada. Canada has water, oil, beef, lumber and we have goods that they want and need. They need to clean up Vancouver for the Olympics. They don't want to have people from other countries come to Canada and wonder why they are so different. I guess I look at an issue like this in ways that others might not. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by dongenero on February 06, 2006 at 12:57:03 PT Canada FoM It looks like perhaps the new conservative government elected in Canada has thrown down the gauntlet as promised.Once Canada is just like the US, (yikes!) where will the sensible Americans threaten to move to when things get too goofy? [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 12:48:19 PT dongenero I guess I though those web sites were in the UK. I think it's legal there. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by dongenero on February 06, 2006 at 12:46:43 PT more vergrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Company and Eurohemp.com Owners ApprehendedCannabis Culture has developed a timeline of events we believe accurately account for the disappearance of Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), and Eurohemp.Disclaimer: this is an ongoing investigation, and facts may not be correct until confirmed!On Monday evening, resident of Montreal Richard Calrisian, the owner of the four websites, was contacted by his web service providers in Vancouver where his servers were situated. They told him that there may be a problem, regarding a police investigation. RC told his provider to shut down the websites immediately.Within hours, the RCMP (or other police) apparently entered the server site in Montreal (not Vancouver, as previously reported) with a warrant and apprehended the hardware that housed the four web sites.In the early morning of Tuesday, police in Montreal moved in and arrested RC, his wife, family members and an unknown number of employees.It is alleged that RC, a pseudonym, is being held at Riviere-des-Prairie (RDP) jail in Montreal, and his wife in is Tanguay jail, across the river from RDP. Cannabis Culture called the prison and found no one there under the name Richard Calrisian.The bail hearing should be on Monday, but it is unusual that a bail hearing has not yet been held. Typically they take place within 24 hours of arrest, unless an investigation is ongoing and the accused are being held temporarily without bail. This may be because there is a risk that the arrest news might inform other persons who are also under investigation.Earlier reports of a drug bust in Hearst, Ontario are not related the seizure of Overgrow.com websites. [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by dongenero on February 06, 2006 at 12:39:22 PT found this I did not want to wake up to this headline on CannabisCulture this morning:Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Company, and Eurohemp.com Shut Down and Servers Seized by Canadian Police. Now it appears Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), Cannabisworld.com, Overgrow.com, Eurohemp.com have been shut down and the owners arrested in Canada; all their web properties seized, including the physical servers that held massive databases on thousands of growers, and tens of thousands of photographs of cannabis plants. Seed companies by the dozens used both Overgrow.com and Cannabisworld.com as a main trading ground. Over 40 seed companies had customer service interactive forums on these sites. All the information held on those servers is now in the hands of police. It is not known what charges have been laid nor against whom. That police have not boasted about this seizure means the investigation is continuing, before any affected parties can react. [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by Hope on February 06, 2006 at 12:33:24 PT What little I could understand it was a Richard Carcereri...or some sort of Italian sounding name. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 12:20:33 PT BigDawg It is what I call a little spooky. [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by BigDawg on February 06, 2006 at 12:18:46 PT How much WE don't know I always thought that was what RC stood for as well. It appears none of us know who he really was. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 11:44:24 PT BIgDawg I didn't ever go to any of those web sites because I was afraid. Just how open they were really scared me. I did post news on OG when they first were online for about 7 months but I couldn't handle the extra work it made back then. I don't know who RC is. I always thought RC was Richard Cowan. See how much I don't know? [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by BIgDawg on February 06, 2006 at 11:39:43 PT Thanks FoM Yes, the whole thing seems rather odd.My thoughts and prayers go out to all involved. [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 11:05:21 PT BigDawg I keep looking for some news about this case but nothing. I want to know why some sites are taken down while one site in similar trouble is still online. I don't understand that at all. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 11:02:37 PT Off Topic: Mayan I watched the Stones last night but I really didn't think it was very good. I like Paul McCartney much more the year before. I believe the Stones just don't know how to grow old gracefully like Neil Young is doing. http://www.heartofgoldmovie.com/indexflash.htmlhttp://www.heartofgoldmovie.com/downloads/desktops/d1_1280x1024.jpg [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by BigDawg on February 06, 2006 at 11:01:31 PT Off topic Any word on RC and his family/friends? [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by FoM on February 06, 2006 at 10:25:46 PT Off Topic: Request from Michael Moore Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... an appeal from Michael Moorehttp://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2006-02-03 [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by whig on February 06, 2006 at 10:16:53 PT mayan What are the grounds for suing NORML? This is preposterous. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by mayan on February 06, 2006 at 06:11:27 PT Off Topic It looks like SD NORML is now getting sued...County drops its federal lawsuit on medical marijuana, refiles with state: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060206-9999-1m6potsuit.htmlThis is bordering on comical! [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by siege on February 05, 2006 at 21:53:02 PT Steve Kubby's Marinol supply is running out Steve Kubby's Marinol supply is running out. May die in jail. by eco man Sunday, Feb. 05, 2006 at 8:17 AM Marinol (THC, a cannabinoid found in cannabis) is costly, and Michele Kubby reports that they need money for more in a few days before they run out. Marinol is legal, yet the jail will not pay for it. Even though jails are supposed to provide medical care and drugs in jail. The Kubbys are broke, and Steve could risk death again from a blood pressure spike from the adrenaline produced by his cancerous adrenal glands if he doesn't continue to use cannabinoids. Steve almost died the first day in jail when he was without the use of any cannabinoids.Michele Kubby reports at kubby.com that the jail is not paying for his Marinol, and that they do not have enough Marinol. http://www.kubby.com Jails are supposed to provide medical care and drugs. Marinol is a legal drug. But the authorities hate even admitting that Marinol (THC, a cannabinoid) works. Marinol is very expensive, and Michele is asking for help in paying for it. The Kubbys are broke.Don't ever forget that Steve Kubby almost died the first day or 2 in jail. He reported the worst blood pressure attack he could remember, blood in his urine, and was starting to go blind in one eye for awhile. The authorities are quite willing to let him die. They have proved that the last 2 times that he has been jailed in the Placer County jail in Auburn, California.Info quoted below is from the kubby.com homepage.Quote: ----------------------------------------------------CONTACT FROM MICHELE TODAY: 2-4-066-day EMERGENCY!Michele just called me with some information.Steve is not going after the use of the whole plant instead of Marinol. The reason for this is because in order to actually receive the whole plant, he would have to say that the Marinol was not working at all. Since the Marinol is controlling his Blood Pressure, Steve would have to perjure himself in order to get the whole plant.Placer was going to argue that the Marinol was working and that he could keep using it instead of receiving the whole plant. He didn't want to lie and open that can of worms, so he just decided to drop the motion.However, there are more important things right now.Steve has 6 more days of medicine left. A company in Canada has volunteered to send some medicine to Michele for Steve to be able to use while incarcerated, but it has not arrived yet. The jail is not going to provide Marinol to Steve, an Michele does not have the money to obtain the amounts needed for Steve.If you know of a Cancer Foundation that can help Steve get the medicine he needs and the proper treatment, please email me right away at jeremy freecanadianparty.org and I will get in touch with them to see what they might be able to do for Steve.--------------end of quote------------------Here are some links below. Many have later info on his situation. The links are also compiled at this photo gallery album for the Jan. 31, 2006 court rally for Steve Kubby: http://gallery.marihemp.com/auburn2006jan31-----Copy the links below into forums or email----- Much info on medi-pot patient, and Proposition 215 co-author, Steve Kubby's Jan. 26, 2006 arrest, incarceration, and dangerous medical problems in the Placer County jail in Auburn, California. Info on his rare adrenal cancer, and his very dangerous highly-fluctuating adrenaline levels when without cannabis or cannabinoids. Info compiled at these links: http://www.kubby.com http://www.indybay.org/drugwar http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=4140 http://news.google.com/news?q=steve+kubby&scoring=d http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Number=1205086 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction/messages/1222 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kubby http://www.mapinc.org/kubby.htm http://safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1804 http://technorati.com/search/steve%20kubby http://search.blogger.com/?q=steve+kubby http://blogs.icerocket.com/search?q=steve+kubby&ex=1 Steve Kubby jail interviews. Jan. 28-30, 2006. Medi-pot patient in grave danger. With his doctors' assessment: http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/01/1799342_comment.php Steve Kubby reports from jail. Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 2006. Marinol (the THC cannabinoid) is helping: http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/02/1799964.php Cannabinoids inhibit noradrenaline, pheos. Studies copied partway down this page: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction/message/1227 Google News indexes the last few weeks of news from many media sources. Google News results archive for Steve Kubby: http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/e/kubby-googlenews.htm Steve Kubby articles at Indybay.org/drugwar. Site search result links are archived here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction/message/1229 Above links are compiled at this photo gallery for Jan. 31, 2006 court rally: http://gallery.marihemp.com/auburn2006jan31http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/02/1800261.php [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by Sam Adams on February 05, 2006 at 21:29:22 PT great one "The marijuana ban deserves its own examination, through the complete legislative process, and then it deserves to be dumped as a waste of state effort and money."Amen! Tell it like it is. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by global_warming on February 05, 2006 at 17:05:35 PT remember that old carpenter,he said'believe in 'me [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by global_warming on February 05, 2006 at 16:41:24 PT 13 that is an , 'unlucky number,Maybe, at half time,Twinkle!'you 'can,'catch a 'glimpse,the 'next button,Press the GREEN Button, [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by FoM on February 05, 2006 at 16:27:34 PT Mayan That was funny. I'm trying to figure out if my recorder will work. It isn't very dependable but I do want to get the half time show somehow. [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by global_warming on February 05, 2006 at 16:22:05 PT Keith Richards! I never heard his name,Maybe, I am , missing something? [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by mayan on February 05, 2006 at 16:10:02 PT FoM I'd rather see Seattle win just because of their coach. I'm a Packer fan and Mike Holmgren brought the Packers a ring in the 90's. Besides, Seattle is a pretty hip city!I've always said that if there is ever a nuclear war or we get hit by a giant asteroid there will be notheing left but cockroaches and Keith Richards! [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by museman on February 05, 2006 at 15:55:23 PT Lets Criminalize Wealth Does anybody really need more than 100 thou a year? We should penalize greed, after all it is one of the 'seven deadly sins.' [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by global_warming on February 05, 2006 at 15:31:15 PT so sorry so pleasesend some nailssome of us, are still workingto 'nail that jew 'bastard, to 'a 'cross [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by global_warming on February 05, 2006 at 14:30:28 PT Get Down On The Floor "The bill approved by the Senate also would criminalize home possession of 4 ounces of marijuana,.."How many more 'things can be criminalized?Is this the kind of world you want to live in, to pay taxes, to be a productive citizen in your community and your country? [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by Had Enough on February 05, 2006 at 12:26:52 PT CAGW Names Gov. Murkowski Porker of the Month http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9552 [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by cloud7 on February 05, 2006 at 12:16:26 PT ... I'm glad that this paper finally decided to write an editorial against this. What took so long? I can only hope it was because they were waiting for the Sunday edition. Though if they had passed this bill straight through, this editorial would have been too little too late. It's one thing to speak out on something when you have 20/20 hindsight and can just agree with the outcome and another to speak soon enough to prevent something from happening. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by OverwhelmSam on February 05, 2006 at 12:11:57 PT Just Goes To Show How marijuana hate produces Schizophrenia in the minds of those who can't cope with people smoking a joint on the privicy of THEIR OWN HOME. [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by FoM on February 05, 2006 at 11:47:00 PT Off Topic: Mayan I hope whatever team you want to win the Superbowl wins. I am looking forward to seeing the Rolling Stones. They are amazing. They're like the energizer bunny! LOL! [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by mayan on February 05, 2006 at 11:42:52 PT "Must Pass" Is Murk's bill endangered again? It doesn't really matter. Even if it passes the first challenge will kill it. Great article! [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by FoM on February 05, 2006 at 11:41:57 PT Meth & Marijuana They never should have ever tried to put those two substances in one Bill. That was a terrible thing to do to marijuana. It's only an herb. [ Post Comment ] Post Comment