cannabisnews.com: Critics Decry Stone's Call for Medical Pot Suit Critics Decry Stone's Call for Medical Pot Suit Posted by CN Staff on February 03, 2006 at 07:24:01 PT By Jose Carvajal, Staff Writer Source: North County Times California -- Before the county Board of Supervisors has even begun to discuss the matter, opponents to a supervisor's recent call for Riverside County to join an effort to overturn the state's medical marijuana law are lining up.Medical marijuana advocates were joined Thursday by Supervisor Bob Buster in publicly disagreeing with Supervisor Jeff Stone, who earlier this week stated that he believes the county should join San Diego and San Bernardino counties in suing the state over the 9-year-old "Compassionate Use Act." Approved by 55 percent of the voters in 1996, the law ---- Proposition 215 ---- allows the "seriously ill" to obtain and use marijuana for medicinal purposes. Stone, a pharmacist, argues the state is flouting federal laws that make marijuana an illegal drug.But Buster said the county would be overstepping its duties and wasting taxpayer money by spending thousands of dollars in legal fees if it jumped on board with the challenge. The county is not in a position to question what the voters of California have decided they want, he said."We don't represent state voters who voted for this thing," he said. "I do not support it from a humanitarian standpoint nor do I think it's really any of the board's business to attempt (to challenge the law). I think it's well out of our jurisdiction."The money the county would spend on the suit would best be used on other drug programs, Buster said.Lanny Swerdlow, director of the Palm Springs-based Marijuana Anti-Prohibition Project, denounced Stone's call for Riverside to join the two other counties in challenging the medical marijuana law.Californians have made it clear, he said, that they approve of the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes."This is not only what the people of the state want, this is what the Constitution of the state of California requires," Swerdlow said. "For a local supervisor to advocate the use of taxpayers' money to file a suit that would allow the federal government to overrule state and local governments on what is best for their own citizens is mind-boggling."San Diego County officials filed their suit in U.S. District Court on Jan. 20, but withdrew it Thursday and filed it instead in San Diego Superior Court. If the case were to go to the district court, it would likely move on to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a court the county's lawyers said they want to avoid because it has been more friendly to medical marijuana.The suit, which is believed to be the first that seeks to overturn any of the medical marijuana laws approved by voters in 11 states, argues that any state laws should bow to federal laws that make all marijuana use illegal. It cites Article VI of the U.S. Constitution ---- known as the Supremacy Clause ---- which makes the Constitution and federal laws "the supreme law of the land."San Diego County supervisors have said they think the state is asking them to break federal law by forcing them to issue identification cards that prevent medical marijuana users from being arrested.It appears the counties have a tough legal battle ahead of them.According to David B. Cruz, a constitutional law professor at the University of Southern California, the courts have already ruled that counties can't raise this kind of challenge.And, he said, the Ninth Circuit Court has ruled that doctors are not breaking federal laws if they recommend to patients that they use marijuana."So it is fairly clear that issuance of the identification card that memorializes such a recommendation would not violate state law," he said. "If the federal government lacks either the resources or the political commitment to prosecute bona fide users of medical marijuana under California's compassionate use law, then in practice there would be no problem with California's doing what the voters have authorized."Source: North County Times (CA)Author: Jose Carvajal, Staff Writer Published: February 03, 2006Copyright: 2006 North County Times Contact: letters nctimes.comWebsite: http://www.nctimes.com/Related Articles:County Moves Marijuana Challenge To State Courthttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21558.shtmlCounty To Mull Joining Medical Marijuana Suithttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21554.shtmlSan Bernardino Joins SD County MJ Lawsuithttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21519.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #82 posted by ekim on February 04, 2006 at 16:14:16 PT thank you herbdoc and Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director for helping runruff.New York Times tells Government to Stop Bullying Students for Sensible Drug Policy www.drugwarrant.com NYT Editorial:After dragging its feet for months, the agency has asked a tiny nonprofit group to pay a ruinous sum for information on the impact of a law that bars students who have committed drug offenses from receiving federal grants and loans. [...] The fee represents an increasingly common tactic that is used by the government to discourage public inquiries. The student group has acquired pro bono representation and filed suit in federal court. Members of Congress could end the battle by requesting the information on the group's behalf. Beyond that, Congress should reinforce the Freedom of Information Act -- which was meant to prevent this kind of thing in the first place. http://www.leap.cc/events [ Post Comment ] Comment #81 posted by whig on February 04, 2006 at 16:02:50 PT Hope "Hey...I was "struck blind by a light" ...for about twenty minutes."Do you suppose Paul the Apostle might have had the wickedest of migraines that day it happened to him? Or Saul, actually."Without a doubt.I actually have a migraine constantly. It is more or less intense at different times. A couple years ago I was completely nonfunctional for months. It still makes it hard for me to sleep, because it gets worse when I am tired and especially when I lie down on my back. [ Post Comment ] Comment #80 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 15:02:14 PT what Runruff might say... Church lady's verklempt. [ Post Comment ] Comment #79 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 14:59:43 PT Weeping the tears of a sister for a brother. Chores are calling me...but I'll be nearby. [ Post Comment ] Comment #78 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 14:52:41 PT "I will be ok. I believe that." Me, too.It's hard to shake this sadness though. [ Post Comment ] Comment #77 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 14:47:25 PT "sick again" Thank you, BGreen...I hope not. I've learned more how not to let it make me sick. Although I was struck by a migraine aura shortly after post 55...I think it was. I quickly took the medicines that I am careful to keep on hand for just such situations. I've learned they will stop the pain from happening...four tylenol and four advil. Usually I wouldn't take more than two of either...but for a migraine...I'll take the prescription strength dose of both together. I'd take aspirin, too...if I could...but it sickens me. I don't want to give twelve hours of agony to that horrible pain. I've heard cannabis helps migraines. I don't know from personal experience, but none the less...a very dangerous and punitive government says that I can't keep that herb... so I don't. Maybe I'm not doing so good at controlling it. Migraines, I've learned, in my case, are often about suppression of angry feelings, among others. If a migraine doesn't get me...a zit will. In spite of that, I feel strong. I don't like feeling this emotionally overwrought about something...but occasionally...it's bound to happen. It's not a pleasant place or feeling...but something right and good in me is growing from it. Being "overcome by grief" is dreadful.Hey...I was "struck blind by a light" ...for about twenty minutes. Do you suppose Paul the Apostle might have had the wickedest of migraines that day it happened to him? Or Saul, actually.I just checked. My feet are firmly on the ground. I'm ok...and thanks for caring. [ Post Comment ] Comment #76 posted by museman on February 04, 2006 at 14:44:25 PT Runruff I just gave him a hug for FoM, and all of you great concerned people. He gave me some more info to post for him on his page. I talked to herbdoc on the phone ealier who spoke about getting runruff some decent legal representation for appeals for starters. Jery just told me about the snafu they pulled on him concerning his right to appeal. Getting the attention of outside legal help could make a huge difference. Since this is all about money and power, those victims like Jerry (and me, I've been there too) who have no endowment of funding consistently get shafted by judges and DAs who feel that they can make up the law as they go along. When you can make the (corrupt) lawyers really uphold the law the value of the US Constitution becomes more appreciated and apparent.Runruff is probably speaking to herbdoc at this moment, or will be soon. Those of us who are comfortable with prayer should do one for some kind of positive outcome. As I stated before, aside from his physical infirmities, Jerry is a strong man. I believe his wife is as well. They are both faithful people, and their love and affection for each other is also very strong. With a litte moral support like what folks here are doing, if they can't get a reprieve, then those strengths will help them get through it.What can be done is being done, I feel. Jerry and Linda are so buoyed by your support, that in itself is very meaningful.I am sure that runruff will be visiting here (CN) one last time today, probably after talking to Steve. If not I will have the info sometime before tomorrow.more info going up here in the next few hours; Jerry's page [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by runruff on February 04, 2006 at 14:38:12 PT: Thank you BGreen For those words of wisedim to our sister Hope. Hope, "To whom much is given much is expected." I have been given much and I am willing to give whatever is expected. I will be ok. I believe that. God my allow us to carry burdens but never more than we can bare. For doing what is right I will be rewarded the laws of karma demands it.Feel good Hope I will be fine. I will be with you in spirit as you will be with me. It is awesome just to have met someone as compassionate as you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by BGreen on February 04, 2006 at 14:23:28 PT Hope I don't want to see you so consumed by grief that you get sick again.We all feel badly, and it's this compassion that makes us very unique as warriors.I can tell you that I've had to do a WHOLE LOT of reevaluating my Spiritual outlook, trying to figure out how to BE a Christian when the Loving Jesus has been hijacked by the cruel Pharisees who know NOTHING ABOUT LOVE AND EVERYTHING ABOUT HATE.NIV Matthew 18:19 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.These are the words of Jesus, and I know that there are more than two of us here who are obedient Christians, so I'm standing on the authority of our Savior, Jesus Christ, when I stand up against the Pharisees who have a history of trying to kill the peaceful Christ and Christ-like among us.I stand with you, Sister Hope, and I call on the compassionate God to stop the hatred, lies, torture, abuse and murder being perpetrated in His Holy name.Please take care of yourself, Hope, or else runruff will have one less person caring and praying for him.The Reverend Bud Green [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 13:53:10 PT The hands of the fallen... the deluded, the blind, the merciless have fallen upon him. Surely the fiery light of Love around him will protect him from their sorry plans. They have killed before. We know that. Our friend needs us. Oh Lord! [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 13:48:06 PT Send him Light. Send him Love.Hello, Runruff. We do love you and feel great grief at your situation. I am trying to let my grief be turned to Light and Love for you. That you should walk in fire and not be consumed...Fire.That Light. That Love. That all consuming Fire...that we know as one of the many aspects of God. I believe that it is intensifying in that area, and our Runruff is enveloped and consumed and protected by our real and powerful Love. He will go unscathed, untouched, and blessed in that Light, I pray, I hope, and I think I see. [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by runruff on February 04, 2006 at 13:38:07 PT: Hi Guys I feel the love. Gotta hurry right now will write more later.Jerry sisson p.o. box 775 cave junction,or 97523runruff yahoo.com [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 13:25:40 PT Hope I believe in miracles. I know it's not too late. [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 13:20:01 PT "smile on your brother" That's all you have to do.RIGHT NOW!!! And for as long as you can! [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 13:18:15 PT Cave Junction, Oregon If it can...may a Love Tsunami be coming your way! [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 13:17:11 PT Right now! Come on People! Let's all lay that love vibe on our brother! Maybe it won't do any good at all. Maybe it will. [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 13:08:40 PT Thank You I just want to say thank you. Thank you for caring. There is nothing more important then caring for someone other then ourselves and our own family. I hope Herbdoc215 can do some good.Come on people nowsmile on your brothereverybody get togethertry to love one another right now [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 12:38:32 PT runderwo Thanks again. I am downloading it now. I didn't know I could. [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 12:25:41 PT runderwo Thank you. I watched it yesterday. It was a great video. Here's a good article from the Toronto Star today.http://tinyurl.com/bf79t [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 12:23:12 PT museman Give Jerry and Linda a hug from me too! Thank you! [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by museman on February 04, 2006 at 12:17:53 PT: runruff Everyone,To answer some of the questions about this issue..if I can.Jerry will be sending written letters/comments from the prison Hospital which is in Massachusets to me and Linda for posting here, and maybe other blogs, and forums as well.I can tell you that all of your responses to this is bolstering Jerry's fortitude, when he called me this AM he was excited and hopeful.He is coming over one last time today to bring mew some more documents to post. I will get all info up ASAP.I sent an email to herbdoc concerning his offer for help.I will be around all day today.for those who might be looking; Jerrys page [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by runderwo on February 04, 2006 at 12:10:37 PT direct link Download the video using this link Neil Young Unplugged [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by Had Enough on February 04, 2006 at 11:55:50 PT You Got Mail Way to go FoMHope wrote: Yet, I know I have a God. If that makes me a superstitious, retarded, clouded, corny, cheesy, crazy, insane, weak minded, magical thinking moron...then so be it.You are none of the above. It's your own way, and looks to me like it has been ok with you. Keep the faith girl. [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 11:49:19 PT herbdoc215 You got mail! [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 11:42:09 PT herbdoc215 Hurry! Runruff must leave tomorrow!!! Someone we need info quick for Herbdoc215. [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 11:40:12 PT Hope I think that museman will be putting needed information on the page he made for Jerry. I didn't think he was going to a place in PA though. I believe it's a Federal Hospital in Mass. [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by herbdoc215 on February 04, 2006 at 11:36:09 PT: I got a meeting tonite with Allen St P of Norml to try and get runruff some help or appeal lawyer and I need info...can somebody email me a contact number at email hooked to my name here so I can call him...sorry still on phone...update soon as I am home. Peace, steve tuck [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 11:08:34 PT Runruff and his dire situation is not as well known as the Kubby situation...but may I suggest that someone now, who knows how to do those things, starts getting us appropriate phone numbers, emails, and physical addresses so that what was done for Steve Kubby can be done for Jerry Sisson. If enough people are paying attention to the situation they have to pay more attention to what they are doing.Devon, Pennsylvania Federal Penitentiary? [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 11:00:09 PT Ashamed of what they are doing. I'm sure Runruff will meet a few people here and there within the consuming system that are. [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 10:55:52 PT Hope Very good points and thank you. If Mrs. Runruff would like to copy and send comments we couldn't even make a thread for notes to Runruff or something close to that or she could cut out comments that are unrelated. [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 10:54:16 PT "all grins and high-fives today" I'm sure that's true. And much glee over Runruff's situation, and if they read here...our grief and helplessness. It's going to take us a lot longer to reach these people with reason than should be necessary. They have very "Hard necks". [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by FoM on February 04, 2006 at 10:50:01 PT Max Flowers I just don't know what it means. I wasn't a part of those web sites and I just don't know what to think. My instinct tells me that it is to dis-assemble people and web sites that have pushed it too far in areas that are still seriously illegal. That sure sounds basic but that's what I think. [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 10:46:18 PT I have a feeling this won't be the only "weeping" episode that overcomes me for awhile.We will never give up because of Runruff and all the other "Runruffs" and all the literal multitudes that have suffered more over the hysteria, penalties, repercussions and expense of the silly drug laws than they ever would have with even partially sensible drug use of any kind...much less, cannabis, of all things.I hope Runruff will be allowed to keep plenty of writing materials. He can do some important writing...for us if for no one else. Will they allow him to? If he is locked away, perhaps we can keep some Runruff threads that Ms. Runruff can keep up with and print off for him perhaps. And of course...we will need to know direct mail addresses. This is where a lot of difficulties happen. They won't let you have some things....Ms. Runruff don't print any green logos or leaves on anything you print for him. Diesel Therapy is going to make it difficult for mail to follow him. I've seen it happen. He may never get any of it or a lot may be returned to the sender. That has happened to me in corresponding with people caught up in the prison system. It's nasty and ugly. They do things you wouldn't think "the good guys" or so they say, would do.I so hope that you, Runruff, if you read this, have achieved the state of mind that will carry you through this ordeal...no matter what they assault you with. Your mind along with our love, surely, can keep your heart and all going until they will give you the medications and oxygen you need. Surely. [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by Max Flowers on February 04, 2006 at 10:40:03 PT Cannabis World and Overgrow A little info is trickling out now, but not much. Both sites have the same owner/administrator. He has been busted along with three others, yet has already been released, so if he has true decency he will let out some info to the community soon. Apparently (but this is not confirmed), the servers were down for maintenance at the same time as the bust as a coincidence, giving the appearance that the sites were shut down in a concerted effort. At the moment, it's murky. For people in the US who were members of these sites, one slightly encouraging factor is that the info let out so far does not mention DEA or US authorities' involvement at all, which suggests it was not a "joint operation" like the Marc Emery thing was. My feeling is that if it is a strictly Canadian deal, even if done under encouragement of US authorities, it will remain with them and the focus will stay being on the main guy behind both sites. It also looks to a lot of people like it is the new Canadian PM flexing his muscles for kudos from the Bush regime. Many of you may not know that there was a big seed business associated with both sites, CW especially, called Heaven's Stairway/C-bay. That is what they were after, it would certainly seem.A lot of members of these sites, both American and Canadian, are nervous and tearing down their grows etc., which of course is exactly the effect the cops want it to have. They know they can make many, many more people stop their activity through paranoia than they ever could through actual law enforcement activity. You just know it's all grins and high-fives today around the LEO offices, especially the DEA.This time I think the chips may have fallen the other way, that is to say that I think Canadian growers may have more to worry about on this one than american ones. I may be way wrong, but I have a feeling that there is a jurisdictional issue here for US authorities, meaning that I don't think that a bust in Canada can legally result in Canadian police just turning over a bunch of info gotten off of servers located in Canada to US cops for further use. Also, there is no info out yet that even indicates that they are scouring the servers for info on people. Anyone with greater insight into these finer points of Canadian law enforcement limitations, please speak up. [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 10:08:35 PT Now I'm squallin...or "weeping" as some say. [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by Hope on February 04, 2006 at 10:05:44 PT Had Enough Comment 45 and 46, Whig, FoM Had Enough, I think you could very well be right about her, the judge in this case, being a disturbed, jealous busybody, sadist, merciless judge.The Runruff situation is hurting us all badly. We all suffer with him today. Tommorrow and the next day will be the worst.The attack on our communications? It will only harden, strengthen, and increase our resolve. We are not idiots. We are people. We have some sense. If my God can pull something off that's good for Runruff and his family...I will praise him openly here on these pages, politically correct or not. The last minute seems to have passed to keep Runruff from having to make that dreadful trek tomorrow. I'm trying to be patient. I'm trying to understand. Do I have no God or is he saying "No"? Yet, I know I have a God. If that makes me a superstitious, retarded, clouded, corny, cheesy, crazy, insane, weak minded, magical thinking moron...then so be it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by Had Enough on February 04, 2006 at 08:02:34 PT And another thing I’ll bet runruff has a better relationship than Judge Ann Aikin, will ever have with anyone. Maybe that was also part of her thrill. Maybe she couldn’t stand Mr. & Mrs. Runruff’s good relationship, and added her attempts to break it apart.Well Judge here some news, You can put runruff away for life, you can make all the suggestions in the world, but you will never take from them, the love these two share. And I doubt you will ever experience that love and respect EVER. [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by Had Enough on February 04, 2006 at 07:49:50 PT About runruff “She treated me like I was a child molester with the greatest contempt. After she gave me 24 months and 4 years probation with pee testing required she said the separation will give Linda time to rethink he relationship with me.”A child molester in Vermont gets a 60-day sentence, while another man gets 2 yrs in prison for farming? Go figure.Bad enough the remarks about his eye problem, but to add a snide remark about his PRIVATE life with his girl is appalling, wicked, loathsome, vial, contemptible, shameful, shallow, disgraceful, dreadful, and for a lack of a better word, despicable. Nobody has the right to interfere with another person’s private relationship ever, with the exception for cases of brutality. This Judge used her authority to add more injury to make her self feel better. Just like a shot of Wild Turkey, or, chugging a beer down real fast, or maybe she is on pharmaceutically, doctor prescribed, approved wacko pills. St. Peter might have something to say about her contributions to the Brotherhood of Man. Someone who operates like this, “Can’t Get No; Satisfaction”, I’ll bet she is a very unhappy person. Can you imagine what life would be like with this woman as your life partner, always nagging, sniping, and agitating with her snide remarks and suggestions???And now runruff & Co will pay the price of her getting her thrills.According to the National Institutes of Health, the average child molester sexually abuses 117 children over their lifetime.http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/index.php/2006/01/12/judge-slammed-for-giving-child-molester-60-day-sentence/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by whig on February 03, 2006 at 22:01:16 PT Hope Yes, Overgrow is down indefinitely.Don't you know that this is a war? Just because we wage peace, does not mean that our adversaries have agreed to cease persecuting us. [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 21:59:23 PT Hope This is where I read about it.http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/msg22x147372.shtml [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 21:54:42 PT OverGrow is down? The Canadian servers these sites use are shutting them down? What can that mean? Is it government coercion? [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 21:16:02 PT Why Are We Still Fighting This War? I am at a loss for words. Jails should be used for violent criminals. Jails should be used for those who hurt children. Jails should be for white collar type crimes like we see on the news almost everyday. I just read on Ron's one site that OG and other related sites are no more. It seems like they are dismantling Canadian sites. I don't go to them but that's what it seems like is happening. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by ekim on February 03, 2006 at 20:47:46 PT thank you runruff you are one with the [plant] now the story will be written. so many have gone before, heads held high no 1 heard. sundance and many more will view your movie -- at least one will take root.words are easy know many eyes are with you.see you mike [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by Hope on February 03, 2006 at 20:47:04 PT Runruff I just got through reading the medical papers and letter from his doctor over at the site about Runruff that Museman made.A crime is being committed against Runruff, Jerry Sisson. A crime and a travesty and we are helpless to protect him. This makes me sick...but it's why we're here...why we're fighting to change these hideously unjust laws. The injustice is so incredible...I don't see how the people who hate marijuana and it's use can rationalize this as any thing other than hatred, stupidity, and dire misgovernment. I never heard of anyone having to have a six vessel bypass before. I thought four was awful. One is awful. He has diabetes and glaucoma. With his health and how meticulous he has to be about it and his needs because of it, this little two year trip to the hell of a federal pen could easily be a death sentence. I'm afraid. I'm angry. I'm powerless as far as this world goes. In my frustration at the ignorance of our laws about cannabis and the ignorance of the people that like the laws, it's getting to the point that I want to throttle someone, somewhere for this insane cruelty. There are too many of them to throttle besides the fact that my throttling powers are insignifigant. We just have to keep trying everything we can to change the ungodly laws we are living with now. This is sickening. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 19:55:12 PT museman Will runruff's wife be OK? This really is so wrong. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 19:54:06 PT Sukoi I am glad you read CNews. I know you are out there working hard to bring change. If you can find any inspiration from reading CNews use it and pass it on. Thank you for the link. [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by museman on February 03, 2006 at 19:48:08 PT the tragedy facing runruff It is indeed a travesty.I have known Jerry for many years. We have watched each other grow in our lives. We have a lot in common on many levels even though in some ways we are strikingly different at how we approach things. We, even in our fifties still learn new things every day, about -you name it- as Jerry would say.I know that both he and Linda are realy going through it right now for obvious reasons. I got to give him a hug today and it wasn't exactly a joyous one, but I know he is a strong man. Knowing him, I wouldn't be surprised if they kick him out early for being too forthcoming in his wit. Jerry will find many friends where he is going who really need to hear what he has to say.The hour is darkest before the dawn, and coldest too. It is these times that we must hold our dear ones close, and pray for those who cannot share that moment, in fervent hope and confidence that one day soon that sun will rise warm and forgiving on us all.goodnight all [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by museman on February 03, 2006 at 19:35:22 PT: Sukoi Thanks,The problem is their MB limit. The video as flash is already 230+ Mb. I converted one to wmv which was just over 100 MB, but unfortunately that is the limit on those two sites. Google as well. If I formatted it any smaller there wouldn't be much point in it because the quality would suffer too much. Tell you what I'm gonna do however. I still have about 300 MB left, so I will upload the wmv which is lower quality than the flash, but still viewable. Folks can choose to stream or right-click download. From testing the flash, I can say that you have to use patience, do other things on the net while you wait for the 230 MB to get into your temp internet folder. The 'loading bar' is misleading it maxes out about half way through the play/download sequence. Even though it indicates a complete download it may not be finished. The upside, is that unless you empty your temp file you can pick up where you left off just by navigating back to the page and resuming.I'll try to get that wmv up this weekend. If anybody knows where to put it, I have everything from the 1.4 GB 'master' Mpeg to the 100 MB wmv.I would be glad to pass on a good quality copy to be shared. http://wholeearthfamily.org [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by Sukoi on February 03, 2006 at 19:20:37 PT FoM I know that I don't post here much but I want you to know that the two things that I do religiously every morning and every day after work is read CNews and DWR. I've been keeping up with runruff's situation and it truely sickens me. I asked him if I could start something about it in a forum with thousands of members and he agreed. Here it is: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48262I just wanted to get the word out and make people aware of what is happening to this fine man. Hang in there runruff, we are all pulling for you and your family! [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 19:07:26 PT museman I am very upset about Runruff. When I am upset I get quiet. I have a knot in my stomach and I feel so sad. I wish I had the power to change this but I don't. I don't like that feeling. I don't like not being able to fix what I think needs to be fixed. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by Sukoi on February 03, 2006 at 19:06:59 PT museman Have you considered uploading runruff's video on a file share server such as these: Megauploadhttp://www.megaupload.com/Rapidsharehttp://www.qfile.de/Then you could pass out the link and people could dowload the entire movie... [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by museman on February 03, 2006 at 18:59:15 PT seige/FoM-video That is the end of the movie, "did you get your pot Mr. Jefferson" and then the folk singer and credits. Thanks now I know somebody saw the whole thing and that it's all there.Runruff:You know we're gonna keep a candle in the window. [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by siege on February 03, 2006 at 18:50:43 PT possessing Santa Clara County prosecutor Ed Fernandez, who was charged last month with possessing a small amount of marijuana, went back to work on January 30 and has been assigned to handle restitution cases. ``He made a bad personal choice that has never interfered with his ability to be an outstanding lawyer,'' his boss said. ``He is coming back to be part of this office, and he will contribute as he always has.'' I hope in future these offices will be as understanding with all the marijuana cases they try. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by mayan on February 03, 2006 at 18:28:25 PT Let Em' Try According to David B. Cruz, a constitutional law professor at the University of Southern California, the courts have already ruled that counties can't raise this kind of challenge.And, he said, the Ninth Circuit Court has ruled that doctors are not breaking federal laws if they recommend to patients that they use marijuana.I think this is great, actually. Let the fascists crawl out of the woodwork so they can join the growing list of America's unemployed! Even if they take it all the way to the Supremes and win it will not stop the medical cannabis movement. We've already been ther a couple times and lost but states continue to pass laws. All these supervisors can do is delay the inevitable and they know it! THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Congressman subpoenaed for 9/11 trial: Weldon asked to testify about what U.S. knew before attacks: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/02/weldon.supboena/Dr. Steven Jones Utah 9/11 Seminar - Slides: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=68829&mesg_id=68980Steven Jones February 1st Public Lecture - MP3 Download: http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/Supporting the President: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/02/supporting-president.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by lombar on February 03, 2006 at 17:31:03 PT bladder cancer article I almost missed it but notice the first paragraph:" NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Pot smokers could be putting themselves at risk for developing bladder cancer, according to the results of a study of middle-aged men who were seen at two Veterans Administration facilities." Notice 'at two Veterans Administration facilities". They are studying service persons, who KNOWS what their time in the service put them in contact with. This is just propaganda, how come it has never been noted before in the public sector? (because their cancers were likely caused by exposure to radiation and not cannabis)They also do not mention the ages of the subjects, they could all be victims of the New Mexico atomic testing of the 50's. The only thing this article proves is that society is totally warped by the notion that the state has the right to choose what we consume for pleasure/medicine. Truth, justice, and freedom are all casualties in the insane quest to maintain some puritan nonsense... [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by siege on February 03, 2006 at 16:22:13 PT jefferson don't forget your pot Mr.jefferson, don't forget your pot Mr.jefferson. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 16:15:18 PT siege I didn't get all the way thru the movie. I will try tomorrow. Thanks. Thank you Jerry for such a wonderful movie. [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by siege on February 03, 2006 at 16:13:59 PT FoM the end was with a girl singing on the stage, [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by siege on February 03, 2006 at 16:11:02 PT judge's have you looked into this: RULES OF PROCEDURE OF THE JUDICIAL INQUIRY BOARD for judge's for your state. [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 14:17:29 PT runruff I thought you had until the 10th. Oh My. [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by runruff on February 03, 2006 at 14:12:30 PT: The movie and some notes. The movie is 59 minutes long. I have ove one hundred hours of taped info but one hour was all I could afford to produce. In 1994 I couldn't find anyone who would talk openly about legalizationlet alone contribute to a documentry on the subject.I'm leaving to journey into the great gray beyond day after tomorrow. I have been ask some questions about my trial and other things. I will sort ramble here and give some thoughts and impressions.I call my trial the "Soap Opera Conviction" because the tone of the whole thing felt like a soap opera. For one thing on the day I went in to "confess" the court room was full and the judge was exceedingly conpassionate and even charming. I sat with my oxygen and dark after surgery glasses on. We went through the ordeal and I left. Later they kept rescheduleing me over and over. The whole thing drug out for two years. Sentencing day is always on Wendsday. the judge flys down from Portland on this day and the fast food justice is in full swing. Finally they notifie me that the judge would be staying over another day just to sentence me. This was on a Thursday. I went I sat down and the court room was empty. Not a soul but the judge and officials. I sat there with my oxygen and dark glasses [I had had yet another surgery]. My lawyer ask if I could keep my glasses on as the light irritated my eyes. The judge set the tone of the day when she said with a smirking little laugh, " oh sure, my eyes hurt me a little whenever I am expierencing stress." She was belittling my condition. She then went on to say what a very smart guy I was and how no doubt would have all the right answers to be given at my covienience. She smiled broadly at her own remark here. Her demeanor was disrespectful. She treated me like I was a child molester with the greatest contempt. After she gave me 24 months and 4 years probation with pee testing required she said the separation will give Linda time to rethink he relationship with me. Notice the implication here. I know this is why she wanted to get me alone so she could beat up on, show me that even though I may be smart she is smarter and to suggest to Linda that she could do better than me. This woman was aweful. She stepped way beyond her authority as a judge. This is why I called it the Soap Opera conviction because she was making a soap opera out of my life and my case. Talking about things she knew nothing about but only supposed.She did not acknowlege the hot lunch programs for underprivaged childern that I started with my money and my time. Programs that the government should have and are now supporting. After I started them. Now being funded by USDA special lunc program. She did not acknowlege the save the childern of the world started by my sister and me at the expence of thousands of my out of pocket dollars. Another thing our government is failing to do. I have been the princable fund raiser for Childern of the Hour since it's beguining. Who will now raise the money to save these throw away chilren from suffering and death. Not the judge. Very few people will and she said that it is the job of the courts and the BOP.gov to keep society protected from criminals like you Mr. Sisson. Me who dives the Sunday school bus. Me who spends my extra time recreating with youth groups and saving leprocy infected children of the world from suffering and dying. Me who only grew the herb for myself and my mothers senior friends who prefered it over the poisonous crap they were getting from their doctors. Protecting society from criminals like me!I'm leaving Sunday I'll be locked on Monday. America will be a safer place as per Judge Ann Aikin. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on February 03, 2006 at 14:04:23 PT Don't bogart that sign, man! http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/03/D8FHR5I00.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 13:23:50 PT siege I didn't time the movie but it stopped when they were talking about kite string. Was that the end for you? Video: Neil Young - Unplugged [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by OverwhelmSam on February 03, 2006 at 13:21:21 PT These Government Officials Are Overstepping The Citizens of California voted to join the union of states in the 1800s, and they can certainly vote to legalize medical marijuana, regardless of what their government officials want to do. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by knowhemp on February 03, 2006 at 12:50:33 PT bladder cancer they only compared 50-someting men with 100 or so 'control' subjects?how can 50 people determine anything???? especially when most of them smoke cigarettes!!this is NOT science. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by siege on February 03, 2006 at 12:29:17 PT runruff museman video How long is it??? It took over 2 hours to watch with no buffers, and no stops... and I have T1 DSL incoming... puter with 4, 2.4 GHZ proocessor's and 4000 MB memory DDR. or did I watch the wrong one... [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by ekim on February 03, 2006 at 12:28:18 PT LISTEN Live Fridays 8:00 PM, ET, 7:00 CT, 6:00 MT http://www.drugtruth.net/LISTEN Live Fridays 8:00 PM, ET, 7:00 CT, 6:00 MT & 5:00 PT at www.KPFT.org (29:00) (MP3 Avail. Sat AM) Guest:02/06/06 Howard Wooldridge + Peter Christ of LEAP MP3 http://www.leap.cc/events [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by dongenero on February 03, 2006 at 11:35:33 PT bladder cancer article The title infers marijuana "use" is correlated with bladder cancer. Ah, but the are only researching smoking of marijuana. Additionally, other research finds smoked marijuana may actually be protective against cancer.Furthermore, get this quote from the article, "Tobacco use was also heavy among the study subjects, with more than 90 percent of the men in either group using tobacco, making it impossible to identify any link between cigarettes and cancer risk."I guess I would add....making it impossible to identify any link between marijuana and cancer risk."Great research, did someone actually pay for this??? [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by runderwo on February 03, 2006 at 11:24:09 PT yawn Of course the headline is "marijuana use" and not "marijuana smoking". Because we want to demonize the plant, not the method of ingestion, after all."Tobacco use was also heavy among the study subjects, with more than 90 percent of the men in either group using tobacco"Gee, way to control for the confounding factors... [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 11:11:46 PT DPFCA: DEA Medical Marijuana Hearing DPFCA: DEA Medical Marijuana Hearing about Prof. Craker/UMass Amherst ***February 2, 2006Jag Davies, MAPS staffer, has prepared a podcast telling the story of our lawsuit against the DEA, seeking a license to grow marijuana for government-approved research.To hear a podcast, featuring interviews with Dr. Lyle Craker, Rick Doblin, and Al Byrne, go here: http://www.maps.org/podcasts/podcast_2.1.06.mp3You can read background information, media coverage, and court transcripts from the case on the MAPS website: http://www.maps.org/mmj/DEAlawsuit.htmlOral arguments in Professor Lyle Craker's DEA Administrative Law Judge hearings about DEA refusal to issue a license for a MAPS-sponsored Medical marijuana production facility have officially come to a close. DEA lawyers canceled the final hearing, scheduled to take place on January 17th, in which they had planned to cross-examine Al Byrne, a medical marijuana advocate who has seen the poor quality of NIDA's "research-grade" Marijuana first-hand. After DEA lawyers learned that Al Byrne was willing to Testify under oath, they decided they didn't really want to hear what he had to say! Lawyers from the ACLU Drug Law Reform Project and two Washington D.C. Law firms working pro bono are now turning their attention to final legal briefings. No date has yet been set for when the briefs are due but we expect it will be in March or April. MAPS expects a decision from Judge Mary Ellen Bittner by early summer. If Judge Bittner recommends that DEA grant a license to Prof. Craker, we will then need to generate major political pressure on DEA Administrator Karen Tandy, encouraging her to accept rather than reject the recommendation. -- ---- California NORML (415) 563-5858 // canorml igc.org 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114 [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 10:54:30 PT Reuters News Article Heavy Marijuana Use Linked to Bladder Cancer http://www.localnewsleader.com/brocktown/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=136252 [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by potpal on February 03, 2006 at 10:22:24 PT runruff video / museman I needed to upgrade to flash player 8, at least something to do with the activex codecs or something, was running 7, before I was able to view it. Before that, I only received the audio and a missing screen. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by Max Flowers on February 03, 2006 at 10:10:56 PT Storm Crow Actually if you read it again the guy Buster who said that ---- "We don't represent state voters who voted on this thing" ---- is on our side... the rest of his quote was "I do not support it from a humanitarian standpoint nor do I think it's really any of the board's business to attempt (to challenge the law). I think it's well out of our jurisdiction.""It" being the attempted overturning of the CUA. It is confusing, I don't know why he said that first part... [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 09:41:49 PT museman I'll play it over the weekend to help trouble shoot this for you. I've had problems when music I tried to embed worked for me but it didn't on other folks computers. I always have good luck with Windows Media Player. Quicktime or Real Video buffers all the time for me. I use IE and have a XP computer if that helps you out to know. [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by museman on February 03, 2006 at 09:29:36 PT video I don't know what is wrong, the video plays fine on all my machines, but I do know that a slow machine with a slow connection might have some trouble. The file that needs to be downloaded is about 240 MB, so if you don't let it download-there is a meter in the playback bar- it will stop. Jerry , your machine might have to refresh the page to get it. If Nobody but me can see the whole thing, then I am back to square one. I guess I'll go for windows media next time. [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 09:06:05 PT runruff I didn't time the video but I will try to watch it again this weekend and I will let you know how long it plays. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by runruff on February 03, 2006 at 08:49:34 PT: Video FoM,I could only watch the first 30 minutes. Maybe Museman did't have enough space for the whole hour. Maybe something went wrong? I'm sure he will get any bugs worked out and you will see the whole thing. I would love for you to see Richard Davis' Hemp Museum. Otherwise I'm am thrilled!Peace and freedom [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Storm Crow on February 03, 2006 at 08:46:43 PT Recall these idiots (I wanted to call them something besides "idiots", but I'll be nice)"We don't represent state voters who voted on this thing." Someone needs to break it to him, that San Diego is part of the state of California and 55% of those who voted said yes to MMJ. If I still lived in San Diego, I'd be at every meeting, calling for the recall of these idiots. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by FoM on February 03, 2006 at 08:09:49 PT Runruff We watched it on museman's page. It really is good. http://www.terryhubbard.com/Let/LetMyPeopleGrow.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by runruff on February 03, 2006 at 08:01:50 PT: Thank you FoM and Stick. Where did you see my video. Do you have dvd or did you see it on line? I'm glad you enjoyed it. I made the whole thing on a budget of $4.20. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by lombar on February 03, 2006 at 08:00:42 PT OT - Irish Poll Not without me lucky budz.. ;) We could sure use the 'luck of the irish'.Should cannabis be legalised in Ireland?http://www.irishhealth.com/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by Duzt on February 03, 2006 at 07:37:25 PT 10th amendment was written for this situation..... "San Diego County officials filed their suit in U.S. District Court on Jan. 20, but withdrew it Thursday and filed it instead in San Diego Superior Court. If the case were to go to the district court, it would likely move on to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a court the county's lawyers said they want to avoid because it has been more friendly to medical marijuana."This comment proves they aren't doing this because the law isn't clear (which it is), they are doing this purely because they don't like it and don't want to follow the law. These people's job is to represent their constituentns and protect us from the government. For them to say they don't want to go in front of the federal court is crazy. This is exactly why the 10th amendment was written in the Bill of Rights and why it is so important. This country is crazy, people in power follow only those laws that are convenient for them, no reason for me to follow any either. [ Post Comment ] Post Comment