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Marijuana Wars Set To Continue
Posted by CN Staff on January 01, 2006 at 07:26:01 PT
Editorial
Source: Rocky Mountain News
Colorado -- Legalize possession of marijuana? Denverites said yes to that proposition last fall, but after surprisingly little debate. It was almost as if opponents didn't take the group Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation and its misleading campaign seriously - and so ignored the measure. Needless to say they won't make that mistake again. Last week SAFER officials said they'll gather signatures to put a measure on next fall's ballot to legalize marijuana statewide because Denver is still issuing tickets for possession under state law.
And while we don't exactly welcome the prospect, the initiative at least will provide a chance for voters to consider serious arguments for and against legalization in a context that actually makes some sense.Legalizing marijuana in Denver amounted to little more than a gimmick. Police and prosecutors shouldn't be expected to pick and choose which state laws they enforce based upon local preferences. But legalizing marijuana statewide is another matter. Sure, marijuana would remain a controlled substance under federal law and federal agents would still swoop in for major drug busts involving marijuana. But state laws remain the primary tools of criminal enforcement in this nation, meaning the overall number of marijuana arrests presumably would collapse. Meanwhile, legalization would send a powerful message to Washington about public frustration with the national war on drugs. If those observations sound like an endorsement of legalization, they're not. They are merely an acknowledgement that good arguments exist on both sides. We just hope voters get to hear them through what is likely to be a din of simplistic messages. Such claims began last week, in fact, when one proponent of legalization declared "there has never been a recorded case of a death from ingesting marijuana." From an overdose? Perhaps not. But the idea that stoned motorists have never lost control of their vehicles partly as result of their condition - to cite just one example of marijuana-related deaths - insults voters' intelligence. Nor do we follow the logic of those who cite the allegedly greater dangers of alcohol and tobacco as reason to legalize marijuana. Does anyone seriously believe that if tobacco had been outlawed many decades ago, before its risks were fully understood, that society would consider legalizing it today? Or that alcohol consumption would perceptibly decline if marijuana were legally available? No doubt some opponents will also indulge in overkill - stating confidently, for example, that marijuana provides a "gateway" to more lethal substances. The Drug Policy Research Center of the Rand Corp. is not so sure. It makes a persuasive case that while marijuana users are indeed much more likely to progress to harder drugs, the explanation may be nothing more sinister than the natural tendency of people predisposed to like drugs of all kinds starting with the most easily obtained substance. SAFER still must gather nearly 68,000 signatures, but it would be foolish to underestimate the group after its success in Denver. If it's determined, it will get the measure on the ballot - at which point a real debate can finally begin.Note: This time, above the radar.Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News (CO)Published: January 1, 2006Copyright: 2006 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Safer Coloradohttp://www.safercolorado.org/ State Initiative Next Step for Marijuana Backershttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21421.shtmlPro-Got Group Aims at State Law in '06http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21417.shtmlSpeakout: Time Has Come To Legalize Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21300.shtml
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Comment #46 posted by runderwo on January 03, 2006 at 18:21:14 PT
hey siege
Good catch!
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Comment #45 posted by global_warming on January 02, 2006 at 11:37:30 PT
number 35
Hey RPZ, are you holding up ok?Do you need any help?As we launch the new year and the start of winter..gw
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 09:34:02 PT
UPI: British Marijuana Smokers Still Get Busted
January 2, 2006 Despite a move to downgrade legal penalties, a report shows British marijuana smokers are still being jailed at the rate of three a week.    While possession of pot remains illegal, police were advised not to arrest people smoking cannabis. They were told to confiscate the drug and give a warning.    The punitive approach still being taken by courts in the face of government advice provoked accusations that otherwise law-abiding people were being needlessly imprisoned.    The disclosure comes as ministers agonize over whether to reverse the reclassification of cannabis in January 2004. Prime Minister Tony Blair is widely expected to order an about-turn after receiving medical advice that links regular cannabis use to mental illness, the Independent said.    Home Office figures show that 13,302 people were convicted of possessing cannabis -- not supplying or selling -- in 2004. A total of 161 received an immediate custodial sentence. 
   Copyright: 2006 News World Communications, Inc. http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060102-112423-6515r.htm
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 09:15:04 PT
OverwhelmSam
Re-booting didn't help but that's ok. I have a satellite and it is really raining and it might be because of the weather.
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Comment #42 posted by cloud7 on January 02, 2006 at 09:10:29 PT
Time to form a union
"International Brotherhood of Drug War Victims"http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jan-01-Sun-2006/opinion/4880597.htmlOne way to implement the idea we've read in comments here before about challenging every drug offense in court.
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Comment #41 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 02, 2006 at 09:02:57 PT
Ha Ha Ha
Take one of their letter templates and alter the wording to be pro-marijuana in nature and email it to your Congressman. LOL Bet that will steam them up.
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Comment #40 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 02, 2006 at 08:58:30 PT
That's Strange FoM
Try re-booting your computer and try it again.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 08:55:20 PT
BGreen 
That's a good one! LOL!
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Comment #38 posted by BGreen on January 02, 2006 at 08:54:02 PT
I want a computer like FoM's
One that filters out prohibitionist drivel. LOLThe Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 08:53:09 PT
Save Our Country from Drugs
I wonder why they aren't interested in all the legal drugs that kids are taking. 
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 08:51:30 PT
OverwhelmSam 
It does the same thing with that link too. That's weird. I'm not having any problems on any other web sites I check. I just checked with Firefox and it's blank in the middle too.
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Comment #35 posted by Richard Zuckerman on January 02, 2006 at 08:50:47 PT:
IRRESPONSIBLE DECISION MAKING!
Many people only hear the government side, without hearing the other side, before making a final decision on a matter.The D.E.A. and federal drug czar's war against Marijuana is without the benefit of hearing the other side, that this law enforcement costs millions of dollars in pork barrel federal funding, for which we all will pay!!Many people believe whatever the police says should be considered gospel. Actually, the police should not be trusted. Yale Law School Professor Gabriel Chin has edited two sets of book about police. The first set of books, which I have purchased from www.lawbookexchange.com, about the history of New York City Police misconduct commissions from 1893-1993, concludes that there is a common thread in all of the police misconduct commissions, namely, bribery, excessive force, and frame-ups. I am presently paying for the second set of books he has edited, thru www.lawbookexchange.com, entitled United States Commission on Civil Rights: Reports on the Police, Buffalo: W.S. Hein, 2005, 3 volumes, which is also about police. At least I can use these texts if my case against the Highland Park Police, www.hpboro.com, gets to trial. Oral argument in the Appellate Division of the Superior Court of New Jersey, docket number A-4461-04T1, is scheduled for "some time after the New York," according to Appellate Division Team 1 Leader Ed Costantini, (609) 292-4822.Even though the people are fed the skewed statistics that there has been a reduction of crime in New York City, some policemen have recently be shot dead, leading to a plan by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to get illegal guns off of the streets. Whether this will entail more laws, the hiring of more police, it may cause an increase of taxes, it may decrease the housing and other benefits which the poor and middle class would ordinarily receive. Please visit and join www.jpfo.org? I am presently residing in a homeless men's shelter, in New York City. I have had trouble obtaining a room to rent in New York City and New Brunswick, New Jersey. I have also had trouble obtaining employment. One fellow, Walter Finley, a cook who works for ARAMARK, induced me to lend him money by representing that he will receive an equal share in his Mother's Estate and will pay me what he owes me after his dead Mother's Estate house is sold. He handprinted an I.O.U. promising to pay me $5,000 after he receives his share of the Estate House sale. I subsequently visited the Richmond County Courthouse, Surrogate Court Clerk's Office, pulled his Mother's Will, and discovered that she only left him ONE DOLLAR! I filed a Small Claims Court complaint, alleging breach of contract and FRAUD. In the Small Claims Part, defendants are served one copy of the complaint via Return Receipt Certified Mail, and, simultaneously, another copy of the complaint via regular mail. The law in New York provides that the defendant is presumed to have been properly served if the regular mail has not been returned within 21 days, even if the defendant does not sign the Return Receipt Certified mail!!! On December 15, 2005, defendant Walter Finley failed to show up for trail. I presented my case to an Arbitrator, who said he would mail the judgment. I subsequently received a judgment of $5,000, the maximum amount allowable in Small Claims Part. Walter Finley told me he has "proof" in the form of "telephone records" that he was not served the complaint, but has not made any court motion to vacate the $5,000 judgment. New York requires a 30 day waiting period between obtaining the judgment and attempting to execute the judgment. Thus, I have until January 15, 2006, to begin the process of executing the $5,000 judgment, which will include having a certified copy of the judgment filed with the Supreme Court, as a lien on property and to mess up his credit, and to have a City Marshall garnish his wages. Although the City Marshall requires a postal money order of around $80 for the work, this charge is tacked on to the final judgment, which, by the way, is good for 20 years!! If Walter Finley had told me the truth, and not been dumb enough to write an I.O.U., and paid his debt, he would have avoided this lawsuit and my plan to nickel and dime him for the next 20 years!! Irresponsible decision making! This is what the Libertarian Party is complaining about governments!!Richard Paul Zuckerman, Post Office Box 159, Metuchen, New Jersey, 08840-0159, richardzuckerman2002 yahoo.com.
Diploma in Paralegal, New York University, 2003;
B.A. in Political Science, Kean College of New Jersey [Kean University], 1987.
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Comment #34 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 02, 2006 at 08:47:27 PT
FoM Try This Link
http://www.saveoursociety.org/index.php
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Comment #33 posted by BGreen on January 02, 2006 at 08:45:59 PT
My, My, My, It's our bitter old friend Calvina Fay
Admin Name:Calvina FayShe uses the same brain as Joyce Nalepka, but unfortunately they were each given a mouth.They are the antithesis of the great leader, George Washington.Joyce and Calvina just can't tell anything BUT lies.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 08:23:24 PT
OverwhelmSam
When I clicked on the link the center content is missing on my computer.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on January 02, 2006 at 08:21:16 PT
Mayan
Thank you for the link. We are having thunderstorms here too. It should be snow this time of year not rain. 
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Comment #30 posted by siege on January 02, 2006 at 07:47:48 PT
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Comment #29 posted by mayan on January 02, 2006 at 07:44:58 PT
Overwhelm
We ARE trying to SAVE OUR SOCIETY from the dumb*ss prohibitionists. That site is just chocked full of lies. How can anyone have such little regard for the truth? I'm going to send them some much needed enlightenment. I'll probably check out their site to see what they have to say when Rhode Island's House overrides Carcieri's veto.info saveoursociety.org
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Comment #28 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 02, 2006 at 07:24:53 PT
Partnership for a Drug Free America Ramping Up
Has anyone see this site?http://www.saveoursociety.org/They are running anti-veto ads three days before the vote in Rhode Island that are chocked full of malicious deceptions about marijuana. Totally caught pro-legalization groups by surprise.Good! Let's get the debate out into the streets and hash it out. I'm sure we can come to a compromise as simple as re-scheduling marijuana.Note: Funny how they think they're Society will be lost if marijuana is legalized. Through all of this, the most extreme examples of paranoia has come from degenerate prohibitionists, not the peaceful marijuana consumers.
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Comment #27 posted by mayan on January 02, 2006 at 06:22:32 PT
FoM
Here's another blog I just found. We're just about to get hit by a huge thunderstorm and there's a tornado watch. I don't remember the weather ever being like this!The Bulldog Manifesto
http://bulldogpolitics.blogspot.com/
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Comment #26 posted by kaptinemo on January 02, 2006 at 05:24:43 PT:
And what about NICOTINE, Mr. Watson?
Think that helps a baby? Think blasting an unborn baby's defenseless circulatory system, which is far more sensitive than the host's (mother's), with a hypertensive such as nicotine is doing them any favors? How many tens of thousands of children are born underweight thanks to that? How many born with respiratory problems? (I speak from personal experience; my mother smoked through her preganancy because she didn't know better and I wound up with all manner of lung problems. Thanks for nothing, Philip Morris!) How much of their distress after birth is caused by nicotine withdrawal? "Crack babies" my hairy tochis; *nicotine* has caused far more demonstrable, proven damage.That THC has salutary effects upon the body is proven in study after study (nearly all of them foreign produced thanks to prohibition's clamp on American Science's collective throat); I'd much rather have a child born to a mother who vaporized, smoked or ate cannabis than one who smoked tobacco. But Mr. Watson seeks to jail mothers who use cannabis during pregnancy. Typical DrugWarrior hypocrisy at work...
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Comment #25 posted by boballen1313 on January 01, 2006 at 22:10:11 PT:
 AND IF THE SKY WAS RED 
Al Capone would be our president.
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Comment #24 posted by boballen1313 on January 01, 2006 at 21:25:46 PT:
I BEEN LISTENING TO PROHIBITIONISTS 
I been listening to the most pathetic reasons to jail a person for ingestion of a plant! ITS THE JAIL THATS THE KILLER OF MIND AND SOUL! You want to kill someone's spirit? You want to kill any chances of an education? You dont care that cannabis is a very beautiful drug? You rather throw back some double shots and snicker about the folks doing long hard time for smoking a harmless plant? You rather have your kids kicked up on grog and driving your precious automobile? How fast can it really go, stud? Tell the kids that the booze is good... weed is bad. God bless you and your new insurance rates!
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Comment #23 posted by ekim on January 01, 2006 at 20:06:34 PT
child didn't appear to be affected.
US MO: Pregnant Women Who Use Drugs Could See Jail TimeURL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n2026/a08.html
Newshawk: How to be a Newshawk http://www.mapinc.org/hawk.htm
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Pubdate: Sat, 31 Dec 2005
Source: Neosho Daily News (MO)
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Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/prison.htm (Incarceration)PREGNANT WOMEN WHO USE DRUGS COULD SEE JAIL TIME It's not that he doesn't care, but Newton County Prosecutor Scott Watson can't understand what all the fuss is about. Making headlines recently, Greene County has lately implemented a policy of prosecuting mothers whose newborn babies are born with illegal drugs in their system. But despite the added media attention surrounding the issue, Watson metaphorically shrugs his shoulders. After all, Newton County has done the exact same thing for years now. "It's nothing new to us," he said. "We've had that policy in place for as long as I can remember." Watson explained that if a baby is born in Newton County and tests positive for illegal drugs it constitutes endangering the welfare of a child. If convicted, the mother could face a Class C felony charge ( if in the first degree ) and possibly be sent away to prison for up to seven years. Although unsure of how many women Newton County has actually prosecuted in this type of case, Watson said that it has, nevertheless, happened in the past, although admitting that prosecution may sometimes depend on the circumstances involved. Watson said it's been his approach to initially consider two things before deciding whether or not to legally press the issue, the first of which is if the drugs found in the child's system were illegal or not. But even then there are exceptions. "I suppose if we found a situation where legal prescription drugs were found to have affected the child we would have decide on some other factors such as if the mother knew the drugs would affect her child or not," Watson said, rolling into the second consideration to entertain. "The big test to us is whether or not the baby has been affected by ingestion of a drug." As an example, he cited a particular situation where the mother was found to have THC ( marijuana ) in her system but her newborn child didn't appear to be affected. While individual counties are beginning to take or, as in Newton County's case, have already taken a hard-line approach to mothers who use drugs just before giving birth, the state of Missouri as a whole has had a similar policy on the books since at least 1992, though at first glance it appears to be a little more lenient. Chapter 191, Section 737 of the Missouri Revised Statutes deals with children exposed to substance abuse at birth and otherwise. While the law states that "notwithstanding physician-patient privilege" doctors may report evidence of drugs in newborn babies, the statute doesn't actually specify if this constitutes child abuse. Perhaps that's why counties needing teeth to prosecute are likely citing Missouri Statute Chapter 568, Section 045 instead, which has more to do with defining child endangerment. According to 568.045, the crime of endangering the welfare of a child has been committed if "the person knowingly acts in a manner that creates a substantial risk to the life, body, or health of a child less than 17 years old." In order to prosecute, counties have included pre-natal drug use as a "substantial risk." Furthermore, most of language in 191.737 has to do with reporting children born with narcotics in their system to the Division of Health and Senior Services ( DHS ) rather than law enforcement. But Watson said that he couldn't recall a single instance when a state agency initiated a child endangerment case in the type of situation at hand. "Actually, a lot of the time it has to do with a mother being arrested in a meth lab, taken to jail, and then going on to have her baby," he said. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Comment #22 posted by ekim on January 01, 2006 at 17:31:36 PT
pbs Charlie Rose with Milton Friedman
on now on dir tv on ch 377 ---man when Milton Friedman talks about regulating drugs and strikes his breast when talking about how many humans have been harmed by the drug laws is gets to me.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 16:17:10 PT
Kaptinemo 
That was good. The only thing I want to say is I really believed that the laws against marijuana were going to change since I was in Ohio when they went from a 20 to 40 year sentence to the acceptable $100 fine for almost 100 grams. My problem was in any ability to communicate with anyone about marijuana laws. I didn't have any idea how anyone could connect. So what some might think as not caring enough or not doing something it was more because no one knew what to do. The Internet is our connection now and that's what has created the rapid changes we are seeing I believe.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 16:06:30 PT
OverwhelmSam 
It's a real shame they just don't look at impaired drivers. If a person is weaving while driving he should be put out of service. Truckers can be put out of service for different reasons. Accidents happen. We will never change that. We have insurance to help compensate in case of an accident. It really is annoying how they twist issues.
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Comment #19 posted by kaptinemo on January 01, 2006 at 16:03:16 PT:
My take on 'Boomer-bashing'
It should be remembered that this matter isn't so much generational as it is about something as raw and naked as humanly possible: Power.To some, it's more than a means to an end. It's THE 'end'. The ultimate drug. One so addictive that you'd happily KILL to maintain it. Any challenges to that Power must be wiped out if possible, or, if that isn't possible, at least corrupted, diverted, twisted, rendered impotent.The Boomers took on the Power, and for a while they succeeded. An unlawful, immoral war was stopped because of that. But Power is wiley, it's sneaky, it bides its' time. It can influence matters like economics to force those who would otherwise be politically active to be concerned only about survival issues instead of larger matters. IMHO, that's what's been going on for at least 25 years, if not longer. The rise of the NeoConservatives in America are a symptom of this disease at work. Would any of what we are experiencing today have happened, say, in the late 1970's? I dare say not. But it *is* happening now, thanks to so many of us middle-aged Boomers being worn down by the mission of simple survival in a nation controlled almost exclusively by that Power. Yeah, we made mistakes, but frankly, they were mistakes of thinking the job was done before we saw it to the end. My generation thought for example that it was only a matter of time before cannabis was legalized again in the late 1970's, and so we went to sleep, thinking we'll have a brighter day without having to carry things to the finish line, and were blindsided by the Power lovers. The past 25 years of Hell regarding the DrugWar can be laid at our feet, and for that we must atone. But we cannot be blamed for all the failings of this (putative) democracy. You'll have to look up the ones for whom Power is both their sacrament and their burnt offering to their evil god Fascism for that.
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Comment #18 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 01, 2006 at 15:51:17 PT
Another Comment About This Article
Colorado has a medical marijuana law on the books. Since the administration challanged, and the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government can bust medical marijuana patients, the only choice the states have left is, to legalize the use of marijuana outright.No state enforcement of the marijuana laws, de facto legalization regardless of what the federal government wants - checks and balances work as they were intended. It's just too bad that so many lives had to be ruined by these laws before the people took charge.FoM - Evidently, it's okay to kill someone on the highways if you're sober. 
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 15:36:05 PT
Mayan
We are a good bunch of people from that time. The passion and caring about things other then ourselves was important. They say we were a selfish generation. I don't know why they think that at all. Sure we tried different drugs. Sure we pushed against the church teachings of that day. We questioned the establishment and didn't trust anyone over 30 or so we said. We believed things weren't fair and we tried to make people understand that life is more then what we were told it should be. They just don't like independent thinking so maybe that's why they call us a selfish generation. We don't fall in line very easily.
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Comment #16 posted by mayan on January 01, 2006 at 15:19:56 PT
Oblivion
FoM, that guy has written the obituary for the entire boomer generation but the boomers have only just begun to get their hands on the reins! What a dolt.
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Comment #15 posted by The GCW on January 01, 2006 at 15:02:46 PT
kaptinemo
Kapt,There’s more. One of the groups that would other wise want to smear this progress is the group that did not support the medical marijuana election issue back in 1998 and then 2000, which consisted of rural farming counties. During this election, things have a twist, however;If We can possess an ounce of cannabis with THC, then farmers (American Free Farmers…) should be able to grow hemp without THC.Gary Lindstrom comes from Iowa with a farming background and understands the hemp and environment issue well and how it relates to farmers.Those counties that did not endorse medical marijuana have had 6 years to see that the sky hasn’t fallen in. They in fact may have witnessed that it helped them or their loved families.Free Colorado Farmers have a stake in this one; they’d like to grow hemp like the communist Chinese farmers or the Canadian farmers that get much of My hemp related spending.(or those Colorado farmer will want to do what the commies do when they find out; I wonder if they even know?)!)!)“It is time to re-introduce hemp as a component of American agriculture.”Farmers have a foul taste in their mouth over the Feds interactions anyway. They will also get both sides of the argument, with Gary Lindstrom illustrating the benefits to all Coloradoans.Wouldn’t it be God Awesome for Willie to speak in Colorado to the Farmers and help make sure this issue gets through to the Farmers… Do farmers trust Willie?Calling Willie Nelson, (someone mention this to Willie)The cannabis / hemp issue could bring all of Colorado together. Kapt. This matters because people in the HIGH country and the metro area more likely know Gary Lindstrom, but the flat landers are less likely to know Him and this issue will spark an inside zest and bond with those citizens.I believe We will see this issue get national and perhaps international attention, now.I Am excited.This issue is good for Colorado and the nation and the planet.It is very good for Our Heavenly Father, who’s gift We are about to accept.The Green Collar Worker
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Comment #14 posted by kaptinemo on January 01, 2006 at 14:11:02 PT:
Thank you, GCW; I didn't know that
And I suppose I should have. Yes, if Mr. Lindstrom sticks to his guns, and doesn't wimp out on the issue, he'll find a huge pool of backers just itching to pull voting levers in his favor, that would make a 'Diebold election' very hard to pull off...especially if many citizens either change their Party affiliation or begin voting for the first time...because of this issue. His opponents may already be working on strategies to smear him because of his support for I-100. They do so at their peril, given what's already happened. The people have indeed spoken; let's see if the pols pick that congealed slime of prohib propaganda out of their ear canals and are able to hear the *vox populi* better. 
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Comment #13 posted by The GCW on January 01, 2006 at 13:37:25 PT
kaptinemo,
*...the initiative at least will provide a chance for voters to consider serious arguments for and against legalization in a context that actually makes some sense".*Kapt,The debate will include people running for office of Governor.This is also an election year where Colorado will be deciding the next Governor and Gary Lindstrom who already is running as a Dem. is all in favor of initiative 100 going statewide.When Gary Lindstrom answers questions about cannabis, other candidates may seem out of touch with reality.This issue will not be one sided; because one very credible candidate knows the truth. Perhaps others will too.http://www.garylindstrom.com/ 
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 13:10:17 PT
OverwhelmSam 
I know what they'll do. They'll make a new law. It will be called a DWS Law. LOL!
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Comment #11 posted by OverwhelmSam on January 01, 2006 at 13:04:11 PT
Paranoid of a Plant
"But the idea that stoned motorists have never lost control of their vehicles partly as result of their condition - to cite just one example of marijuana-related deaths - insults voters' intelligence."It also insults voters' intelligence if you try to make people think that people drive sober all the time now. And by the way, sober people get into fatal accidents all the time, what are you going to do about them? 
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 12:45:51 PT
Just a Comment
I read that article from a web site called ChronWatch and it seems like this writer is trying to blame the decay of the inner cities on Democrats and baby boomers. I blame the decay on jobs leaving the areas and sending them over seas or where labor was cheaper. The Democrats or baby boomers didn't send the jobs away. What bothers me about this article is that in reality the boomer generation is approaching the time of being politically important. Most of the people are near 70 or older that are in power now. It's almost like he wants this powerful generation to buzz on thru and die so the right doesn't have to deal with us. He should be worried.
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Comment #9 posted by kaptinemo on January 01, 2006 at 11:59:18 PT:
Whig, I beg to differ
Flawed it is, no doubt of it. But then there's this:*...the initiative at least will provide a chance for voters to consider serious arguments for and against legalization in a context that actually makes some sense".*There it is. Right there. The money quote. The one thing the antis have never been able to do without fumbling and tripping and falling. Not to mention sounding like fascist wannabes. Methinks the Rocky Mountain News has realized the full import of what the I-100 signifies; in fact, they said it themselves: *...legalization would send a powerful message to Washington about public frustration with the national war on drugs.* The initiative was a direct challenge to the DrugWarriors, as clear a shot across the bow as any could be made, that people know the truth, are sick of the lies, and are trying, as gently as they can without coming to DC and smacking the ONDCP staff 'upside the head' that they want another course of action besides the demonstrably failed one. That it passed as easily as it did was also a message. Let's see if the prohibs decide to insult the intelligence of the voters in Colorado as they did in 1996 with the claims that those who voted for Props 200 and 215 were 'dupes'. That won't go over too well in such a honking big Red State; more instances of the kind of Big Brother Gub'mint the ancestors of folks out West moved out West to try to avoid.
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Comment #8 posted by whig on January 01, 2006 at 11:20:55 PT
Comment #6
This article makes no sense at all. Btw, is George W. Bush a "self-made man" or a "father-made man"? Hm. :-P
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Comment #7 posted by whig on January 01, 2006 at 11:12:17 PT
This is bold!
"Nor do we follow the logic of those who cite the allegedly greater dangers of alcohol and tobacco as reason to legalize marijuana. Does anyone seriously believe that if tobacco had been outlawed many decades ago, before its risks were fully understood, that society would consider legalizing it today? Or that alcohol consumption would perceptibly decline if marijuana were legally available?"Keep on lumping cannabis with tobacco, antis. That's a good strategy -- to lose. Can you believe it? They're basically asking people to buy into an argument that tobacco should be criminalized!
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 11:03:21 PT
Off Topic: I Don't Get This Article at All
I am not planning on leaving this old earth soon. He acts like we are all ready to die. So very weird to me.From Liberalism to Oblivion: Notes on the Passing of a Generationhttp://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=18733&catcode=13
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 10:22:51 PT
Hope
We listened to the whole Arlo Guthrie and Pete Seeger Concert that is on the link I posted. When the concert started a baby was crying. I thought oh no a crying baby. Peter Seeger said maybe we will be able to sing her to sleep. The baby stopped crying. The baby meant there was a young mother at this October 2005 concert and I smiled. Good always outshines the darkness even if it is only a little tiny candle that is lit. Peter Seeger at the end of the concert talk about The School of the Americas and I was fascinated with his wisdom. Why did I want to listen to this concert today knowing how many other good concerts are available this weekend for download? Some things are suppose to happen I believe.
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Comment #4 posted by Hope on January 01, 2006 at 10:15:02 PT
Cannabis Prohibition is Insane and Ignorant.
It always has been. Perhaps the right eyes and hearts will be opened to sanity, common sense, and perhaps even wisdom this year.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 08:53:58 PT
Mayan
Think about last New Years day. The horribly tragic Tsunami and we got Bush for 4 more years. The year was almost doomed to have any hope for change. It was a very low day for me and most people. This year I feel so much better. Maybe we needed last year to get more people to the point of enough is enough. This year is our year I really want to believe.
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Comment #2 posted by mayan on January 01, 2006 at 08:29:51 PT
Let's Get it On!
SAFER still must gather nearly 68,000 signatures, but it would be foolish to underestimate the group after its success in Denver. If it's determined, it will get the measure on the ballot - at which point a real debate can finally begin.Win or lose, we're going to have barrels-O-fun listening to the prohibitionists whining and spewing their tired,obvious lies! Let the debate begin!Happy New Year, FoM! We WILL make a difference like never before! Each day our numbers grow and we become more organized and efficient. The prohibitionist ranks shrink and all they can to is lean on the same old regurgitated lies. They will see no progress. THE WAY OUT...Terrorists in High Places:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_charles__051230_terrorists_in_high_p.htmThe Magic Man: Honored at the White House, 9/11 hero William Rodriguez did an abrupt about-face and sued the US administration:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0512/S00291.htm 9/11 Truth Emergence:
http://www.911truthemergence.com/index.php?title=Main_PageWhat is Daily911.info?
http://www.911blogger.com/2005/12/what-is-daily911info.html
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on January 01, 2006 at 07:52:36 PT
Happy New Year 2006 Everyone
I downloaded a concert from October 2005 with Arlo Guthrie and Pete Seeger and right now they are singing Turn, Turn, Turn. A time of peace I swear it's not too late. Maybe we will make a difference this year. That is my hope and prayer.http://tela.sugarmegs.org/sugaree/
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