cannabisnews.com: County To Sue over Prop. 215 in Federal Court
County To Sue over Prop. 215 in Federal Court
Posted by CN Staff on December 07, 2005 at 11:51:16 PT
By Daniel Strumpf
Source: San Diego City Beat
California -- The San Diego County Board of Supervisors voted in closed session Tuesday to file a federal lawsuit against the state of California in an attempt to overturn Prop. 215, which, approved by voters in 1996, established a patient’s right to obtain, grow and use marijuana with a doctor’s recommendation. County Counsel John Sansone told CityBeat that the county’s challenge—soon to be filed in federal court—will argue that “the state law is preempted by the federal Controlled Substances Act law, which makes the use of medical marijuana a crime.
“Federal law is supreme and prevails over state law,” he said. “If one could show, which we will be attempting to show, that the state law is conflicting with the federal law or is antagonistic to the federal law, then courts in the past have ruled that state laws are federally preempted and have no force or effect.” The decision comes one month after supervisors voted to sue the state using a similar argument over SB 420, legislation passed in 2004 that requires counties to issue medical marijuana identification cards to qualifying patients. At that Nov. 8 meeting, Sansone told supervisors he didn’t think they would win the legal challenge but was also asked to research the possibility of challenging Prop. 215. Told of the decision by CityBeat, medical marijuana activist Barbara MacKenzie said she’s not surprised, given the supervisors’ earlier direction to their legal counsel, but said she finds it ironic that the supervisors believe it’s their duty to challenge California law when, as elected officials, they should be concerned with upholding the law. “It blows me away that they’d go against state’s rights and the proposition process,” she said, “as if they’re not accountable to the people who elected them.” In 1996, 55.6 percent of voters statewide, and 52.1 percent of voters countywide, cast ballots in favor of Prop. 215. Sansone told CityBeat he thinks both challenges are unprecedented and amount to an “uphill battle.” “This will be a difficult case,” he said. “This is not something where we can point to any other court rulings that will be completely in support, or, for that matter, against us.” MacKenzie said she thinks a challenge to Prop. 215 will only help pro-medical marijuana activists rally more supporters than a lone challenge to SB 420. Supervisors voted 4-0, with Supervisor Ron Roberts absent, to challenge Prop. 215. Source: San Diego City Beat (CA)Author: Daniel Strumpf Published: December 07, 2005Copyright: 2005 San Diego City BeatContact: editor sdcitybeat.comWebsite: http://www.sdcitybeat.com/Related Articles: County To Sue To Overturn Marijuana Lawhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21363.shtmlCounty To Sue State Over Marijuana Lawshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21286.shtml
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on December 10, 2005 at 10:50:14 PT
Max Flowers
Thank you. That makes sense.
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Comment #50 posted by Max Flowers on December 10, 2005 at 10:36:39 PT
FoM
The way Pandora works is it looks at aspects of the artist or artist/song you input, then it looks for music that it (the comparison software) sees as similar, then plays that. So if you put in Bob Dylan, it will look for artists that contain things that Bob Dylan music contains, like acoustic guitar strumming, similar vocal tonalities, etc. So, the point is not that it will play all Bob Dylan, but that it will play things that are you new to you that are *like* Bob Dylan.. It's a shaky concept, but a good way to get turned on to new music fast.
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Comment #49 posted by GreenJoy on December 10, 2005 at 10:14:07 PT
EJ's list
Maybe JustGetnBy....but I think she had an unannounced list prior to that. Pretty sure Unkat and myself are on it. Maybe observer too! Yes posts and emails are a touchy thing. Always a task to somhow include a hopefully lighthearted spirit to them. Sorry I misspelled your name Mr. Lunsford! GJ
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on December 10, 2005 at 08:02:56 PT
Dankhank
You're right.http://www.jonimitchell.com/HitsTaxi70.html
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Comment #47 posted by Dankhank on December 10, 2005 at 07:57:38 PT
Big Yellow Taxi
I wanna say Joni Mitchell wrote it, and a cursory search confirms ...I like that song also .....
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Comment #46 posted by westnyc on December 10, 2005 at 06:58:27 PT
That's a good one!
Extreme Ways is a great song. To me, it's never the style of music (pop, country, techno, etc.) but the poetry and the message of the lyrics. I can't remember who wrote "Big Yellow Taxi;" but, that song has been done by rockers, country western singers, punks, and even techno bands - and, it always sounds great to me!
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on December 09, 2005 at 21:05:26 PT
Dankhank
Thanks, I don't think I understand how it works. I added a Bob Dylan station but it plays other music that I've never heard. We don't have a good radio station so the only music I hear is CDs or DVDs or Satellite Radio on Direct TV.
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Comment #44 posted by Dankhank on December 09, 2005 at 20:47:16 PT
on whig's radio ...
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh2921143is where I'm at ... Whig is there also
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Comment #43 posted by JustGetnBy on December 09, 2005 at 18:59:33 PT
GreenJoy....... EJ's list
Now darn it GreenJoy. I qualified for EJ"s list beore you did, in fact I asked to be put on the list right after she Created "THE LIST" for Rev Jim. I was also told to have a "Good life".Top that if you can.PS: This is all tongue in cheek, sarcasm is risky in print. {:) Peace
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on December 09, 2005 at 15:25:27 PT
Dankhank
I can't figure out how to get your station on the one Whig made. I added Bob Dylan Radio.
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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on December 09, 2005 at 14:51:39 PT
Dank Radio
now playing ... I picked John Lennon, got a Lennon song, then Extreme Ways from Moby, which I have loved since I first heard it as the end song for the first "Bourne Movie."starting off pretty good ...
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on December 09, 2005 at 10:26:44 PT
Max Flowers
How do you do it? Is it expensive? Do we use our own saved music?
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Comment #39 posted by Max Flowers on December 09, 2005 at 10:20:12 PT
Whig -- Pandora
Thanks whig, I had heard about this on a radio news piece some months back, but forgot about it. I struck out with my first couple of attempts just now when its database didn't know a couple of my favorite ambient artists, but it knew Bill Laswell so I created "Bill Laswell radio." So far, so good. The comparison algorithm they're using is pretty good. It has hiccups now and then and chooses something weirdly out of pattern with the rest, but seems like 4 out of 5 picks are consistent.FoM, you should (if you haven't already!) try creating "Neil Young radio" and see what you get. I'm guessing you will discover loads of new artists you'll like.
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Comment #38 posted by GreenJoy on December 09, 2005 at 09:35:23 PT
I ride with you Jim Lundsford
EJ's on a dangerous road. A road where all the straight males instantly go gaga at the sight of a woman and start careening into parked cars and toddlers. Firemen going into a burning building suddenly can't see the flames for the female exiting it in her nightie. Its a road where she likes to linger waiting for someone to show a weakness or push one of her buttons and then rage she does. Here come da judge. But not for long. Just a few retorts and out. EJ, you speak of considering how we are viewed by others.
Right back atcha. And why not save the little wars and take it to the enemy.
Guess my place on her list is secure. I was worried I might be crowded off! LOL GJ
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Comment #37 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 09, 2005 at 02:40:01 PT
And since I read more....
EJ, I know damn well what courage is. Get off your soapbox, or would you prefer that everyone keep their dirty little secrets to themselves? would you prefer that everyone still hide because they are afraid of critisicm or punishment? Go ahead and preach all you want, all I hear is your own strict judgemental moral code when you do so. Did it sound like bragging? Did I say it was a good idea? No, what I pointed out was the fallacy of a system. I, and society both, are responsible for that situation. I for driving, soiety for it's innate corruptness. Don't worry, I don't hardly drink anymore, but I still wouldn't want to drive on such a judgemental street as the one you describe. It's no better than the prohibitionists. Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchCourage: only needed when you have fear.
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Comment #36 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 09, 2005 at 02:33:24 PT
EJ....
I never defended my actions. I just admitted them. I drank a lot in those days. I'm not asking for you to pander to them either. READ what I wrote, and not what you think I wrote, please. You might find what I was writing about then.As for defeatist, not hardly. READ again. Screw this government though. It is embarrassing to think I served for this one. Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchReality: Filtered by perceptions into a fallacy
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Comment #35 posted by JustGetnBy on December 08, 2005 at 19:07:57 PT
EJ"s List
I really don't mean to be argumentative but there seems to be no valid opinions but yours. In Jims narrative he describes an incident in his life. He did not say he took pride in the incident, and was courageous enough to tell it in a fashion that did not flatter him or his actions. Give him a C for honesty. He also reported that he was a ten year veteran of US Military service, that would qualify him as a patriotic man in my book. I am having a "good life" and twisting words to fit your particular view is a condition we all suffer from, good luck with it, your already quite good at it.
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Comment #34 posted by global_warming on December 08, 2005 at 18:51:53 PT
hey ej
You feeling ok?
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Comment #33 posted by global_warming on December 08, 2005 at 18:23:00 PT
re:politics
It seems to me that politics is a lot like religion. Religion could be defined as my belief system, that which makes the most sense, a system that describes our daily experiences, our interactions, and how 'we fit into the picture.Politics is the hand of religion-spirituality, we say aye or nay, this primitive system of voting exists even in the most corrupted human environments.Even the dogs and animals have a vote, the pecking order is testament how male and female animals manage to survive in our world.High or straight, when you have a chance, to offer your 'hand, is it a gentle friendly hand?I hope that the next face i see, is filled with illumination, Understanding, and a wink is good as nod, to this old fool, that is also a passenger on this Life Train.My profit is in knowing, that there is one God in this universe, there are many who Love and Minister at the foot of God, the Mysteries and the Blind.There is a profit worth more than money.The profit of knowing, that I can give, that I can do some little gesture, some little help, some little thing, that only I can do, in that exact and precise moment in this Infinity, and the darkness comprehended it not.Joh 4:7 A woman of Samaria came to draw water. "Give Me a drink," Jesus said to her,Joh 4:9 "How is it that You, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" she asked Him. For Jews do not associate with Samaritans. Joh 4:11 "Sir," said the woman, "You don't even have a bucket, and the well is deep. So where do you get this 'living water'? Joh 4:14 But whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again--ever! In fact, the water I will give him will become a well of water springing up within him for eternal life."
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Comment #32 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 18:12:37 PT
Patriotism has nothting to do with it JustGetnBy
"Since you need a list, please put me on it. I would be proud to be listed among these patriots."Okay so let's get this on record -- you're saying that driving drunk while tired with an exhaust leak is an okay thing to do, and if a man gets caught doing that and is punished by the law, he's a victim and he gets to cry about it and get sympathy from strangers?That's the definition of patriotism that you're adopting?Let's gets this all clear in print right now.Patriotism in your eyes means drunk drivers who crash their cars and get caught are victims.Fine, if that's how you think, have a good life.
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Comment #31 posted by global_warming on December 08, 2005 at 17:25:02 PT
re#15
That was a powerful piece of writing Reverend James, reckon there is Hope for some Southern child, down there in Texas.Peace, Understanding and Grace be to you,gw
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Comment #30 posted by Toker00 on December 08, 2005 at 14:21:55 PT
That's ok EJ.
I don't think Jim is saying he was proud to have done this deed, only that alcohol caused him to lose control and cannabis helped him regain it. I agree wholeheartedly with you about the dangers of alcohol, both personal and social. Alcoholism is probably the worst addiction your body or soul can go through. If you are successful and break that habit, you are a strong person. My father didn't make it. I did. To only use Cannabis as an alcohol deterrent, still requires an enormous amount of willpower, especially in the first stages of recovery. I appreciate Jim's honesty about his addiction. I share his addiction. I also know what cannabis can do as a helper in rehabilitation. But Mr. Lundsford can speak for himself. Though I was not a spouse abuser during my alcohol abuse, I have seen the torture both men and women go through who have alcolic spouses. And violence against women has always been a pet peave of mine.I still love you EJ.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #29 posted by JustGetnBy on December 08, 2005 at 10:47:04 PT
EJs List
Since you need a list, please put me on it. I would be proud to be listed among these patriots.Do you have any other list that I might qualify for? Peace
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Comment #28 posted by whig on December 08, 2005 at 10:03:12 PT
E_Johnson
Is that your "good" list or your "bad" list? :-P
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on December 08, 2005 at 10:03:08 PT
whig
Thank you. I am listening to it now.
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Comment #26 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 09:55:28 PT
Congratulations whig
You're now at the top of my list!
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Comment #25 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 09:54:01 PT
Drunk driving is a big deal Toker000
If you don't think Jim's story is shocking then I'm adding you to my growing list of people on this board whose moral general sense of moral judgement is too poor for me to care about their opinions about anything.He almost killed people, including himself, because of an act of thoughtlessness, and he has the nerve to stand on his soapbox here and accuse the marijuana prohibitionists of being unthinking?Anyone who buys this idea that he has the right to point fingers at anyone else's stupidity is someone I dont care to listen to in the future.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on December 08, 2005 at 09:51:44 PT
E_Johnson
We're only doomed by our own choice, but by the same token, we will prevail if we cease to be haunted by our own demons.Do not let the self-deceiver win you over, do not give in to doubts or fears, for when you understand, you have nothing to fear, even fear itself.
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Comment #23 posted by Toker00 on December 08, 2005 at 09:48:00 PT
EJ...
Why do you find it necessary to be so critical and cold? Is that how you treat everything in your life? Cold and analytical? I know what courage is. When you stand across from a jackboot a few times challenging his way of thinking, you develop a bit of it. Every one who posts here has to have a certain amount of bravado. When you are in people's faces waving the truth, you can't be considered a wus. What's wrong with Jim sharing his thoughts and the rest of us venting? How does that make you ill? Fight your battles your way. Just don't cut so deep with your logic and tough love that you discourage others in their pursuit of...what ever it is.Why don't you try venting a bit, EJ? This is not some official forum where we have to watch what we say. This is Cannabis Family Forum. We do all sorts of things here, vent, relate, debate, why would we want to stop that? Warm yourself up. Get out of the cold.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #22 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 09:42:12 PT
Okay here comes a big shot
I think the self indulgent whiners on this thread need to step back and think about how you look to other people.Oh but all the other people who might criticize you are conveniently "brainwashed".Isn't that nice? It's perfect, isn't it?Someone who drinks and drives while tired with an exhaust leak in his car is such a stupid loser than he has lost the right to ever call anyone else stupid.Go ahead and call me brainwashed, call me any name that comes to your wounded victimized mind.Do anything but take responsibility and express remorse!I hope to God I don't drive where you drive.
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Comment #21 posted by whig on December 08, 2005 at 09:34:09 PT
Music
There's a really interesting service called Pandora that lets you create your own live streaming "radio station" based on the artists and songs that you like to listen to.I thought I'd attach my station if anyone wants to listen. It'd be interesting if others who like this post their stations, and we can all be listening to one another's music.
Click here to listen to Whig Radio
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Comment #20 posted by whig on December 08, 2005 at 09:25:44 PT
Jim
I have to say that I agree that the vast majority of people are asleep, but I think you may have cause and effect reversed. Over the past century and a half, the people have been brainwashed, all of us, you and me included. We need to wake one another up, one at a time, and realize that we are here now. There is no time. The show has already begun.You might notice that I quote little snippets of lyrics from music here from time to time. Music is like a conversation, we receive and transmit. There is much that I could tell you in words that you might not recognize as truth, but if you smoke a bowl and listen to the music, you will hear it.You can't hear meYou can't hear meYou can't hear what I'm sayingYou can't hear what I'm saying to you.You watch the clockMove the slow handI should have been homeHours ago - but I'm not here,but I'm not here,You can't hear meYou can't hear meYou can't feel meHere in the room with you now,You can't hear what I am saying,You don't hear what I am saying do you.Can't let you knowWhat's been happeningThere's a ghost in our homeJust watching you without meI'm not here, but I'm not here, but I'm not here.You can't hear me, you can't hear what I'm sayingYou didn't hear me come inYou won't hear me leaving.(Kate Bush - Watching You Without Me)
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Comment #19 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 09:23:09 PT
And Jim by the way
I had driven my car off a bridge after falling asleep at the wheel. The car had an exhaust leak, but I had also consumed a few drinks. First of all the cop tried to steal my money. They also had to kick the breathalyzer machine to get it to work. But, those results were admitted.************************************************************You drank and drove while you were tired, in a car that had an exhaust leak.You are not the victim in that story. Thank God you didn't kill somebody else.Other people may pander to you on this topic, but I will not be one of them.
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Comment #18 posted by E_Johnson on December 08, 2005 at 09:18:50 PT
You guys are making me ill
Courage is what this battle takes. Courage is not petulance, it is not rejection, it is not revenge.Courage doesn't mean you stamp your feet and cry and say bitter nasty things about the other side.Courage means you buck up, you keep faith, you focus on your goal and don't get distracted by the temptation to wallow in your own sense of being a victim.I think you guys are sounding petulant and vengeful and reactionary and not courageous right now.Sorry but that's how it looks to me.Hey I feel like saying all these bitter petulant loser-like things too.But I keep that desire in check, because this fight will not be won by making angry faces at the other side or making up dire visions of the world where we're forever doomed to lose.
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Comment #17 posted by Toker00 on December 08, 2005 at 03:48:31 PT
AMEN BROTHER JIM!
Mr. Jim Lundsford, thank you for putting it all into perspective. That was a beautiful job!Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #16 posted by Toker00 on December 08, 2005 at 03:35:02 PT
westnyc
The Boston Tea Party. The American Pee Party. WHAT EVER IT TAKES. I think we need to take our Pee Party to the halls of Congress, since that is where the buck supposedly stops. Let's show them it doesn't stop with them, but with us! Let's take empty specimen bottles to Congress and demand they piss for US! They aren't going to piss test themselves, just like we wouldn't! Let's make 'em pee up or shut up. Make them live by the laws they make, or change the unjust laws they force on us! This means sending their own kids to prison for possession of God's gift, or end prohibition! This means sending their own children to Iraq to die for a lie, or bring ours home! Let's force them to Wage Peace on War! ALL WARS! Stand up, stand up! Stand up for your rights! Remember, no one gives you freedom, you take it!Wage PEE on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #15 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 08, 2005 at 03:26:01 PT
Whig
I appreciate your remark, but believe that the government is the people. Therefore, theh state is the people as well. We have this government because we have tolerated it.This is a country that is filled with people who never think beyond the surface. That is the type of citizenry we encourage in all aspects of our society. Consequences be damned should be our motto. If our society is going to live in the land of "doing" instead of "being", then it should at least understand the consequence of it's actions. It is a choice for everyone to make.We have the government we deserve. We deserve it because we want simple solutions for complex answers and always want someone else to be responsible for it. That's an amerikan citizen. This is a perfect world, but it is a perfect reflection of what an amerikan is. An amerikan doesn't appear to care about compassion in the law, just punishment. An amerikan doesn't believe that they can do anything about it, because they are cowards. Amerikans are only concerned with buying more crap than they need. All we are is consumer zombies and we have made that choice as a society.I do not advocate violence, but I do advocate extreme civil unrest. Screw the government. They have made their choices. There is no compassion in this legal framework, and so it should be dismantled. There is no compassion in this government, so it should be dismantled. At least in my opinion.Reagan noted one thing with which I agree completely. All the best are in private sector, and government gets the dregs. That is a shameful accusation against our culture. If this were a society worth having, then the brightest would gravitate to government positions so they could help ensure prosperity for all. But no, this is a selfish and ignorant population.I will tell you my feelings about my life. That should tell you where I stand on government. Every second of my life is irreplaceable, and a gift to enjoy. I believe that to truly give thanks for this gift, I should really take this life out on as hard a ride as I can. When I die, I hope that my body is all used up, because that's what it's for. But, I don't go out of my way to harm anyone else.I don't have much anymore in the way of material possessions. They just own a person and get in the way of the present. I guess this makes me an anti=amerikan right there. Also, I don't believe I have the right to tell anyone else what to do with their life, as long as they are not harming anyone else. Oops! Another anti=amerikan rant.I went to a courtroom once. It's not on any state record, because in texas the cities don't want the state to know how much money they are making. It was such a joke.I had driven my car off a bridge after falling asleep at the wheel. The car had an exhaust leak, but I had also consumed a few drinks. First of all the cop tried to steal my money. They also had to kick the breathalyzer machine to get it to work. But, those results were admitted.My lawyer no-showed me three or four times as he was triple-booking his court cases. He only covered my case when he did because I told him all I was doing was pleading guilty (I figured that I had driven drunk enough in my time, so fighting it wasn't worth the time) and that if he didn't show up, I could do that on my own. The court didn't even want to try my case then, because my lawyer didn't want to miss a more lucrative case. So, I got slammed. 90 days house arrest, 700 fine, suspended license and some more stuff. First offense. Though they did try and say that I was wanted for assault in Texas in a year long before I had ever been to that state. Hell, I wasn't even in the United States in that year.Judge let go this one girl who wore a very nice pair of riding pants. Her third offense. I knew I would get slammed though, as all the lawyers are in cahoots with each other. Just a bunch of greedy dumbasses in most cases. Law, what is so damn noble about that profession? Yet, we act as if that piece of paper calling them "esquire" is something.Judge told me he was going to have me show some respect for the system. Fck him. It was so incompetently run, and an obvious cash cow for the court, that I felt that the system itself was in contempt of itself. Not because of my punishment, I've endured much worse than that in my life, but just how would such a punishment really help someone that has a drinking program?It won't. It is not a system which cares about society. It is a system that only cares about it's own power. And money. It has no say over me. Hey FEDS! I smoke cannabis every single day. I love it, and it harms no one but me. If that. So, why are they spending so much money against it?Money and power and sex. All the same, through out all of time. They have had thousands of years to learn the lesson. But the system reflects our society. We tolerate it, and so that is our apathetic stamp of approval. A true american wouldn't tolerate this. And, I too, am guilty of being such a slacker. I used to believe in this country, but ten years of the military convinced me that our country is what is wrong with the world.This country has never learned any lessons at all from history. We fear immigration, and have always feared it. However, every wave of immigration has always been followed by a wave of increased prosperity by the next generation. It takes a generation to get an ignorant amerikan to accept them. We fear whatever our government tells us to fear. We do this because we are too lazy to think for ourselves. We get caught up in this crazy consumer zombie life in which we believe that keeping up with the joneses is the ideal. Cubicle land workforces, followed by a long drive in the city traffic to a house that you are one sick day away from losing. That is the amerikan life. That is what we have chosen as the ideal.Nothing much about amerika makes sense to me. For example, what right does the court have to tell anyone what they can or cannot do? Why do we elect judges (wouldn't that make them politicians?) instead of having them appointed on the basis of competency? The law is a pimp, and the citizens are it's whores. But this country is okay with that. That is why we have an exploding prison system, over-crowded courts, people supervising you peeing, mercury in our rivers, and absoutely no clue. Because we have chosen to remain ignorant. This does not excuse us from the responsibility of our actions/inactions. Just because we don't make the choice conciously, doesn't excuse us from the consequences of our actions. This society has consistently chosen the simple law of good and evil over reality.Cannabis as bad for you. Yet, the FDA is quite content to sell toxic pharmaceuticals, allow for artificial breast milk (another toxin), tobacco, alcohol, all of which have killed millions. But not one joint allowed! Else the hallowed halls of justice and society will crumble.Damn right they will! I'm getting pretty damn ticked at the hypocrisy and the stupidity of it all. But just because the people are stupid, doesn't mean that they are not responsible or are not deadly to us. For they are. Look at runruff.I grew up in South Georgia, back in the day when we didn't really appreciate any government. Back when the cops knew they'd get shot if they poked into your business too much. Cops were crooked then too. Murdering thieves is all they ever were, and all most will ever be. Because our society tolertes it and gives it it's apathetic stamp of approval. If this is a species worth saving, or a cause worth fighting for, then this society would stand up and say something. I believe that the legalization of Cannabis is an important step for this country to take if it wants to choose a healthier and more abundant life. But it is the society's choice.Instead, we allow this court system to have jurisdiction over us. Same mistake the cherokee indians made in North Georgia. They asked the president of the usa to protect them from the state. At this time, the cherokees had already sold out my anscestors in the southern end of the state and had them blaze the trail of tears for their later use.They never fought for themselves and they never stood up and demanded justice. Instead, all they did was whine to the president. And now we call them Okies. They violated every single element of the art of war and they paid the price. They lost everything. We have done the same.We have asked our enemies to help us. What can you expect? Justice? Get real. Enemies are to be vanquished. There is simply too much money for big government and big business to care about justice. To hell with this government. That's where it chooses, and this society allows it. So, that is our apathetic stamp of approval. Wouldn't Jefferson be proud?Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchLife: Is yours worth living? It's your choice. And you only live once.
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Comment #14 posted by whig on December 08, 2005 at 00:19:17 PT
Police - Invisible Sun
I don't want to spend the rest of my lifeLooking at the barrel of a normal lifeI don't want to spend the rest of my daysKeeping out of trouble like the soldiers sayI don't want to spend my time in hellLooking at the walls of a prison cellI don't ever want to play the partOf a statistic on a goverment chartThere has to be an invisible sunIt gives its heat to everyoneThere has to be an invisible sunThat gives us hope when the whole day's done
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Comment #13 posted by whig on December 07, 2005 at 22:49:23 PT
Jim
I want to respond specially to you, Jim."The people won't stand for it, we have been lying down for it for years. This country has, by it's apathetic response, cultivated a culture of ignorance and hate. We deserve these council member types, because we have all lied down and took it up the keester without a single complaint. We are too afraid to live a free and compassionate life."Do not confuse the state with the people. Many of us have realized that complaining *to the state* has no purpose except to make a target of ourselves for persecution. The state is not the people.You of all must know what cannabis is, and what is happening, and that we are going to win soon.
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Comment #12 posted by whig on December 07, 2005 at 22:42:19 PT
Pessimism unwarranted
Prop 215 was an initiative that carried a sheer majority in California. A legal challenge cannot change the fact that the people do not accept prohibition of cannabis for medical necessity. If the federal courts were to overturn the will of the people, it would not stand, it could not stand, it would only cause more people to reject the state. Those who think that people who do not vote are apathetic, too, should think again.
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Comment #11 posted by westnyc on December 07, 2005 at 20:59:26 PT
Judges and senators and presidents; OH MY!
I would love to see a day when "bands" of Americans throw their urine at the Supreme Court Justices. It's disgusting, to say the least; but, I don't think it is as vile as giving pseudo lab technicians the right to violate our 4th amendment rights by standing outside a stall; and, after a minute saying; "I don't hear anything in there!" "What are you doing in there?"Our Supreme Court Justices are mostly traitors to the Constitution. Bottom line, they are traitors. Why don't these traitors hike-up their own robes or demand that our congress people and senators and our president and our CEOs and journalists do the same. Why? Because they say it violates "their" Constitutional rights.Thank God - In America, all men are equal in the eyes of the law!
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Comment #10 posted by siege on December 07, 2005 at 18:34:30 PT
testing equipment
The last time I was there they had 2 company's making drug testing equipment, they grow big fast.
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Comment #9 posted by mayan on December 07, 2005 at 18:24:09 PT
charmed quark
I am wondering the same thing. They must have been bribed to carry through with this as their efforts are futile and they will soon be unemployed.THE WAY OUT...9/11 Special - Dutch Television Documentary 9video):
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Comment #8 posted by Toker00 on December 07, 2005 at 17:24:12 PT
San Diego Hemp Tea Party
I vote for the Tea Party, Jim. Is there a nice bay near San Diego? Let's bail up some hemp and have a Hemp Tea Party! Then throw the supervisors in the Hemp Tea! Maybe they'll become born again Cannabists! Might just be a waste of good hemp, though.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #7 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 07, 2005 at 17:20:14 PT
Justice in Amerika
This in response to a terminal cancer patient who used cannabis to treat her pain in her final days. See how the court respects the dignity of the citizen with his compassion."Circuit Judge George Masuoka agreed but added that if [Name redacted] was in his court again, he would have no problem sending him to spend his last days in jail." Link: http://tinyurl.com/8rntuThis is what we are up against. Animals. Beasts. Nazis who care nothing about compassion and justice for it's citizens. Only the adherence of the letter of the law. Respect for the law? It is in contempt of itself. The law of man is a joke. A very sick and contemptable one at that. Want freedom? Get off your ass.Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchVoting: Done with words, money, protests, and violence
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Comment #6 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 07, 2005 at 16:58:49 PT
the logic of fools
That is what politics is. Money is the driving force. who pays for who's opinion. You think a citizen's vote counts? Read the article? This council is of the same nature as the federal government. All government of this country. It is so easily bought, and brings nothing good to the country. But, it is all our fault. I say if that county allows these supervisors to sue on their behalf, against their beliefs, then they deserve whatever they get. As do we all. Our government is nothing but an incompetent band of beaurocrats. Intent only with their little "power fiefdoms". screw them. They work for us, to provide us services that we demand. DEMAND being the key word. Protests, boycotts, media campaigns, letters to congressmen, all are tools to let them know we are serious about looking to the needs of the people , instead of the greed of their pockets. Otherwise, maybe we will have another 'tea party.'Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchAbsolute freedom requires absolute committment
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Comment #5 posted by charmed quark on December 07, 2005 at 16:50:54 PT
What 's the problem with these guys?
Anybody know what about the underlying politics driving this behavior? It seems like it will just piss off the local voters, wasting copiuous amounts of money for lawsuits and whatnot against something the majority of voters have already approved. Something likely to get them booted out of office.So why are they doing it?
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Comment #4 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 07, 2005 at 16:19:54 PT
Whig
The people won't stand for it, we have been lying down for it for years. This country has, by it's apathetic response, cultivated a culture of ignorance and hate. We deserve these council member types, because we have all lied down and took it up the keester without a single complaint. We are too afraid to live a free and compassionate life. Life is a very special precious gift. The sooner people understand that every second is precious, and that it has an ending, and that perhaps they should pay attention to their own lives, instead of trying to run mine, the happier everyone will be. Government should be an organization which incorporates the brightest and most diligent people. Those who are fanatical about protecting the rights of the people. Instead, we have the corporate pawns that we have now.How many citizens are left in this country? How many are willing to pay the price for freedom? How much dishonor must we continue to bring upon the memories of those who have paid that price by our apathy? To hell with an america that would tolerate a government that doesn't give a damn about what it's citizenry thinks or needs. To hell with America.Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchJustice: Found in whorehouses
Sex: What you get in a courthouse. (i.e., not any sex I would like however!)
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Comment #3 posted by westnyc on December 07, 2005 at 15:40:06 PT
The people may not like it........................
Whig - I hope you are right when you say "the people won't stand for it." I agree - most people won't like it; but, those same people are usually the same people that fly to the voting booth in support of a bill that they technically don't even support. Apathy, they say - the greatest enemy of all mankind!Recently, I saw the movie "Sometimes in April" about the genocide of children in Rwanda. There is a remark made by a Tutsi man terrified for his family after witnessing the mass murder of the children by the Hutus in an elementary school with machetes He states to a UN Peacekeeper - "The American people will never stand for this after they see this video footage." The Peacekeeper responds - "The American people will be sitting down for dinner when they see this on the news; and, they will say 'that's terrible;' and, then they will go back to eating their dinners."And - that is exactly what happened! Apathy! ;- )
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Comment #2 posted by siege on December 07, 2005 at 13:52:17 PT
DEA
All the Fed, HHS, DEA, ONDCP, FDA, politicians, should be stopping this case... why, this will bring it all out in the open, for state rights, misinformation propaganda, it will force the Fed. to work with the state, this could be the Fed. Last Go around... Grandfather Clause Exemption:
The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act of 1938 ("the FDCA"), 21 U.S.C. §301 et seq.,
FDCA in 1939, it "accepted those drugs marketed prior to 1938 which had been subject to the 1906 provisions of the FDCA [requiring drugs to be identified in recognized medical authorities such as the National Formulary, United States Dispensatory, Pharmacopeia of the United States, or other similar sources] provided these very old drugs retain their exact formulations and are never promoted for new uses.
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Comment #1 posted by whig on December 07, 2005 at 13:43:29 PT
Good
Let them sue. If they lose, we win. If they win, they lose, because the public will not stand for it.
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