Dutch Politicans Seek Marijuana Rules

Dutch Politicans Seek Marijuana Rules
Posted by CN Staff on December 02, 2005 at 12:27:49 PT
By Toby Sterling, Associated Press
Source: Associated Press
Amsterdam, Netherlands -- A broad coalition of political parties unveiled a pilot program Friday to regulate marijuana farming on the model of tobacco, which opponents say would be tantamount to legalizing growing the drug.Under the test program, to be conducted in the southern city of Maastricht, existing health and safety standards will apply to growers, but they would no longer be the target of police raids or prosecution.
Coffee shops permitted to sell marijuana would be required to provide consumers with information about the health hazards of smoking - similar to tobacco companies - and the chemical content of the marijuana. The shops would also have to say where they bought the marijuana they sell, which proponents say will deter growers from operating dangerous underground greenhouses.Under current Dutch policy, marijuana and hashish are illegal but police don't prosecute for possession of less than one ounce. Authorities also look the other way regarding the open sale of cannabis in designated coffee shops.But commercial growing is outlawed, giving rise to a contradictory system in which shop owners have no legal way to purchase their best-selling product.Dutch mayors along the country's borders have lobbied hardest for the change, which they say would make it more difficult for German and Belgian drug tourists to smuggle large quantities of marijuana out of the country."It will be possible to trace where cannabis is grown, and where it's sold," said conservative lawmaker Frans Weekers.Opponents, however, have argued that regulation could open the door to outright legalization of marijuana in a country that already has some of Europe's most lenient drug laws. Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende and his ruling Christian Democrat Party said regulating marijuana cultivation would set the Netherlands another step apart from the rest of the continent."This experiment would be at odds with Dutch law, and there's a legal problem" internationally, as well, Balkenende said.The Justice Ministry has ordered an investigation into whether the plan would violate international law. The findings are expected within several days.Weekers said, however, that the current policy is "leading to increasing problems.""There comes a moment when you say, 'Now we have to take the next step,'" he said. "If this pilot program works, and we can show to everyone that it's an improvement, then you have a good argument to take to foreign governments."The coalition of parties gave Balkenende until Dec. 14 to implement the testing program, after which lawmakers said they will introduce a bill in parliament to do it. They said about two-thirds of parliament members support the plan. Source: Associated Press (Wire)Author: Toby Sterling, Associated PressPublished: Friday, December 02, 2005Copyright: 2005 The Associated Press Related Articles: Dutch Back Plan To Regulate Marijuana Farming Cannabis Users Turn To Home Growing
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on December 07, 2005 at 16:53:46 PT
Right now we are watching the Ghosts of Christmas Eve by the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It is a Rock Christmas play and it reminds me of all the beauty and wonder that has happened in this world and mostly it has been inspired by Cannabis. We wouldn't have much of anything wonderful without Cannabis. It's time to change the laws and let Cannabis take it's place where it should be front and center. 
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Comment #68 posted by rchandar on December 07, 2005 at 16:39:53 PT:
Thanks a great deal. This is a fight that millions have undertaken, decided the worth of their lives, decided what worth their ideas were. It means a lot to me because the world we live in is so crude and mean, and there are people living in all parts of the world that depend on the success of this fight. This is not a dream. It is the real import of what constitutes our lives. Most of the things we encounter are silly or irritating or ridiculous. We are only trying to vindicate what is just and realistic in the world. There are many heroes in this fight, we just have to work together and hope that fighting injustice will make some headway in the end. I cherish that I am part of the marijuana battle. Even though Gandhi himself disavowed pot smoking from his own experience, I am Indian and feel strongly that he would understand the import of what we are trying to do.Sending people to jail for pot is wrong. Simple.UN treaties are ridiculous and wrong. Simple.Politicians are liars and bastards and deserve our disapproval. Just as simple.Write me back whenever you have a free moment, FoM. Thanks for writing me,In Faith,
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Comment #67 posted by Critto on December 07, 2005 at 14:19:30 PT:
This is a very, very good news, damn good news!! GO ON, NETHERLANDS !!! Pull the loose fabric of the worldwide, inhuman prohibitionist regime. Once you pull it, the whole system of prohibition will FALL. It will start becoming profitable for more and more countries to abolish prohibition (at least of Cannabis) and start licensing growing instead (to the benefit of FARMERS, which are strong lobby in almost every country).I CROSS MY FINGERS ON YOU, PRO-FREEDOM DUTCH POLITICIANS!!!
In Liberty,
Krzysztof (Christopher) "Critto" Sobolewski
~proclaim liberty throughout the land, onto all the inhabitants thereof~ (Leviticus 15:10)
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on December 06, 2005 at 16:24:48 PT
I understand your passion. 
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Comment #65 posted by rchandar on December 06, 2005 at 16:12:45 PT:
it's the ONLY thing that I dream of, live for, hope for, anymore. Everything else in the world is patently false and in the end worthless. This is my life. This is the choice I made as a human being. When it fails or if it fails, I'm done. I know that.I also know that should I get in trouble, I'll have to go through the same things I did before--humiliation, threats, moral preaching, the whole thing. And like an IDIOT I will go through it and somehow, hopefully survive.But there is NO CHANCE, NOT ANY--YOU ALL HEAR ME? NONE!! That I will ever see prohibition as right, and the War on Drugs as right. I'll go to my deathbed pathetic and burdened, and hurting all over, for the crime of believing in a plant that the ENTIRE WORLD has forbidden because of some STUPID and BIGOTED politicians WHO DIDN'T CARE about human rights. But I will never, EVER give in.In Tune,
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Comment #64 posted by global_warming on December 05, 2005 at 17:30:39 PT
Love to Dance
Move a little bit closer,A little bit more,Closer, that i can touch,Our New Morn,
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Comment #63 posted by global_warming on December 05, 2005 at 16:34:36 PT
Love, or Knowledge, that follows you into Eternity,Have you remembered, to jot that i?
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Comment #62 posted by global_warming on December 05, 2005 at 16:07:56 PT
It really is not simple
Yet this war on cannabis, which has its roots, in racial fear, hatred, continues. The psychiatric institutions are filled with many mad people, some who genuinely do not belong in those horrid holding cages.There are violent people, and they must be contained, for they cannot function in our general society, but when some child of seventeen is arrested for smoking 'marijuana, and placed in a cage, raped, and indoctrinated by those angry humans in the , this is 'Not Justice, this is a sickness, perpetuated by all of us, in this stage of democracy, Drug Abuse, is a symptom, not a crime, it is time, to awaken and grasp awareness, that Eternal Light, that we can take with us, to eternity.End this War on People, there are too many of our children in our prisons.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on December 05, 2005 at 07:11:05 PT
I understand what you mean. I wish that everyone could govern themselves but there are always people who push and push and they are the ones that make us have laws. No one likes to be told what to do or how to behave but how can a society work if some will squash other people's rights and put themselves above others? It really isn't simple.
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Comment #60 posted by Jim Lunsford on December 05, 2005 at 04:13:34 PT
Democracy. Is also known as "mob rule." We have a rough form of Republic government. Where we elect representatives to represent us. A democracy has never worked before, because the masses truly are asses. The definition of any government body is translated into one simple word, Force. I don't believe in government. It's structure creates crime, war, etc. Yet, it seems a necessary evil with people not really wanting to think for themselves. For me, anarchy rules! Yet, it would only really work if people followed Christ's guide to good living. Love yourself, God, and your neighbor (everyone) with all your heart. An entire species dedicated to helping each other would need no government. Just a network of people helping people. Regardless of what their definition of GOD is, surely no major religion/spiritual movement would object to that one. Or would they? After all, we have for as long as we've had governments.There is a time and a place for everything in this world. Prohibition has helped us to understand much of what we want in this world. Besides the ending of it. After all, we never really appreciated Cannabis until we no longer had it. The end of prohibition is only a beginning. One that will be as sweet a beginning as we are responsible in our actions. Hopefully, those actions will be ones based in compassion. Peace all, JimRev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchFreedom: Requires total commitment.
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on December 04, 2005 at 22:40:47 PT
Thank you for the link. I checked it out but I am tired and I couldn't really understand it very well but I'll look at it again tomorrow. So we are a democratic republic if I read it right.
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Comment #58 posted by afterburner on December 04, 2005 at 22:03:43 PT
Point : Counterpoint
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on December 04, 2005 at 21:15:49 PT
Off Topic: A Question
I was reading an article and Commies were mentioned in the article and it made me think. America is called a Democracy right? Why have I heard some people refer to Democrats as Commies? People on the right only seem to say that. Isn't that what we are suppose to be? All men are created equal or am I missing something.In a democratic society aren't we suppose to help each other?
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on December 04, 2005 at 20:56:02 PT
One Magic Moment...When Cannabis Is Legal
Oh how wonderful it will be Afterburner.
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Comment #55 posted by afterburner on December 04, 2005 at 20:53:23 PT
One Magic Moment...When Cannabis Is Legal
Why is it that the PTBs, the media and the parents accept "Enjoy [some alcoholic beverage] responsibly" as a responsible warning, but make a "federal" case if someone says "Enjoy cannabis responsibly"? Enjoy cannabis responsibly!
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on December 04, 2005 at 18:37:15 PT
What a very nice thing to say. I so look forward to day when I won't need to do CNews too. I worry about how we will ever make progress all the time but a mission is a mission and when this mission is over something will fill it's place. I don't know what but we aren't there yet. The journey has been remarkable and then when that day finally arrives we can have the biggest party ever held to celebrate. Well maybe not the biggest but a day we will remember always. What a day when we aren't afraid anymore.Happy Holidays to You.PS: I'm in a strange kind of Christmas mood. My sister in laws husband has cancer. We have been friends since we were children and I feel I need to help her now. He can no longer speak and has a stomach tube since he can't eat either. He is only 55. I feel we need to celebrate life every day. We should never take one day for granted and then we will always have good memories when that is all that is left.
Our Little Christmas Page
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Comment #53 posted by lombar on December 04, 2005 at 18:09:39 PT
Just a fellow passenger...
...on spaceship Earth.FoM: I understand a certain level of detachment is necessary when dealing with politics otherwise I know I would have gone postal long ago. It is frustrating to see 'leaders' lie when you know damn well they are lying and YET have to deal with people who believe the lies over the truth in front of their faces.GW: If my comments have affected you positively, it is just payback! I have gained a LOT of knowledge hanging around here in the past few years. My own faith has been greatly affirmed by many posters here at my lowest point last year it was reading the comments in here that rekindled my desire to fight the BS. Cannabis is just the beginning and yet it is central because the whole war on the citizenry is predicated upon DECEIT, arisen from the RACIAL HATRED of the past and continued by it in the present with the addition of the economic impetus. The roots of the war on drugs is just like any other war, one group enforcing its ideology upon another group by force. Truth is the first casualty. A whole civilisation that runs on so much (self)deceit is on the road to hell. In vain so many love the images of how they imagine or percive things to be whilst totally ignoring the reality they live in. Do we love the flower of the positive feeling its beauty gives rise to??? Do we see reality or just what we believe it to be? Is there any difference? Does caging people for cannabis actually help or just give some people the positive feeling that they are doing something? Do drug warriors actually believe they accomplish anything or is it just the unwillingness to lose the idea that there is some 'enemy' to treat with extreme prejudice? This is where faith comes back...are they 'obediant' christians who love? 'Ye shall know them by their fruit'. Prisons on one side, gardens on the other. What fruit is 'good'??? I have tried hard to understand their point of view but it just comes back to the notion that I do not have the right to do violence upon my brothers/sisters because they are growing and consuming a relatively harmless (even benficial) plant. The link between cannabis and violence is prohibition and those that want further prohibition are thus supporting more violence which I find totally unacceptable. An ill fruit that we need not eat!!!My only apprehension is WHEN we prevail is that FoM won't have to do this site anymore and that day will be a at once be joyful and sad. 
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Comment #52 posted by global_warming on December 04, 2005 at 14:10:32 PT
Did I
Ever 'Hug, my mother?My fater ?My Babba,Like myselfI have tasted Cannabis,I have seen the roadThis is the time,Perturbation, 'A partingThey found another planet,Look into the LightOne BlinkTwinkleOur Eternal NightReceives the childThe new understanding,With a HandSoft and filledWith Understandingwe' those peopleon this planet EarthEmbracea momentwhen our handComes with a gentlenessOur promiseBargains 
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Comment #51 posted by global_warming on December 04, 2005 at 13:30:40 PT
ThanksLombar, who ever you are..
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Comment #50 posted by global_warming on December 04, 2005 at 12:52:21 PT
The Moment
Is that same moment, when the Light can enter through your eyes, in a blink of an eye, you can receive Eternal Understanding.Act 5:29 But Peter and the apostles replied, "We must obey God rather than men. Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had murdered by hanging Him on a tree. End this war on human beings.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on December 04, 2005 at 11:25:48 PT
I agree enjoy the moment. 
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Comment #48 posted by afterburner on December 04, 2005 at 11:00:33 PT
'enjoy the moment'
Treasure each golden moment (inspired by a needlepoint sampler): my philosophy for facing the winter cold, the war on plants, or any periodic adversity that life hands us (looking for the silver lining).Vote when you can to counter the greed and cruelty, and keep looking up.Living as if. Won't back down.
Your Complete Guide to Needlepoint on the Web
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 20:07:40 PT
I Made a Little Page
I made a little Merry Christmas page. I hope I'm allowed to say Merry Christmas. It's not politically correct so I hope you don't mind. I put a short clip of a song on the page. I hope it doesn't load with difficulty for those who might check it out. Here it is.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 18:13:36 PT
I'm glad you liked my comment. Life is hard. We need to do the best we can to live in and enjoy the moment. Politics are argumentative and happiness deflaters and that's why I don't pay attention to things like that. When I die I want to know that no political party or person robbed me of my spirit. Right now I'm trying to make a Christmas page. My wrist is starting to hurt so I'll wait until it feels better in a day or so. Happy Holidays!
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Comment #45 posted by JustGetnBy on December 03, 2005 at 17:07:05 PT
Balm for my Spirit
  FOM  Thank you, for lifting my spirits with post #37, your lovely antiquated sense of personal sovereignty are a tonic.  PEACE
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Comment #44 posted by Taylor121 on December 03, 2005 at 16:40:05 PT
discussion on drugs. I have always thought of marijuana as a drug, but as a soft drug, the softest recreational one at that.Some definitions of drug.drug- A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction. Seems to me it fits at least the first definition.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 15:36:08 PT
To protect us or to frighten us? 
I think it is to control us. I don't need protection from anything. If I want to be scared I'll watch a scary movie. The way things have changed is really something for us to be very concerned about. When people are afraid they follow much easier. It has happened before and it is happening again now I believe.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 15:26:20 PT
When I say I don't care about politics it is really how I look at politics. I am aware of what is happening but I don't put my beliefs into a special politician or party. I believe the Internet is what will set us free. The people that make the Internet function like all of us here on CNews and blogs on different issues are the ones who will bring change.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 15:19:59 PT
Since names are quoted that to me means that a plane did hit the Pentagon. Thank you. On the special last night on tv it said the plane disingerated as it went deeper into the Pentagon hitting posts or something and stopping some 300 feet into it. 
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Comment #40 posted by lombar on December 03, 2005 at 15:19:13 PT
Virtual certainty
No one who frequents this board/site has any doubt whatsoever that the governments(people in them) are lying about cannabis so why not 9/11? An administration that has lied about Iraq.. Anything and lie can do far more harm than field of poppies. I cannot say what really happened but I do find the collapes to be a little too tidy and the collapse of WTC 7 is totally suspicious. The war on drugs was/is losing steam fast so some other perpetual war on the citizenry has to replace it to feed the prison-idustrial complex, revitalize the war on drugs if possible, and have a way of constantly intruding into citizens lives. We are being indoctrinated into a world of armed guards everywhere to 'protect us' from whatever bugaboo they can dream up. Random searches on subways in New York? Soon to be armed police on our local Skytrain (mass transit) in Canada!!! To protect us or to frighten us? I am far more terrified of the moves that our so-called leaders have been making since 9/11 than some desert dweller! He may have millions and fanatics but he does not have stealth bombers(and fanatics)! The war on terror is a pretext to create terror for anyone who does not 'toe the line'.The effect of 'globalisation' has been flight of capital and industry away from the developed countries where democracy *was*(trying..) to moderate some of the excesses of industry. We are caught in quite a conundrum. Our 'leaders' are in collusion with those who care only for profits(are them?), our states have ceded their sovereignity to multi-national corporations and now must enforce the will of only a few of the people, thus a police state because we are not all stupid sheep. IT is a small step from dissenter/protestor to terrorist and you know its one the current PTB are just drooling for. We cannot allow secret government/military trials,torture, and executions, or all that perished in WW2 died in vain.The democratic process is being pushed aside for a police state, once again. I really despise politics these days too but the alternative is to leave it to people who may not care...or worse, care only to bust peaceful plant users and enslave the human race forever.
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Comment #39 posted by mayan on December 03, 2005 at 15:08:34 PT
Eye Witnesses
I do recall soon after 9/11 some folks who claimed to have seen a plane fly over the freeway but I don't know if they actually saw it hit the Pentagon. It wouldn't be that difficult for the government to plant witnesses. Maybe a plane flew over the Pentagon as a missile hit it? I really don't know what happened there but the official story is terribly flawed. We fund this government and we deserve straight answers because wars are being waged and many people are dying to this day as a result of 9/11. The trade center buildings were hit roughly twenty minutes apart. The Pentagon wasn't hit until roughly forty minutes after the second tower was hit. That's nearly an hour after the first tower was hit! There are dozens of Air Force and Air Force National Guard bases in the region and no planes were scrambled to defend our nations capital. Both NORAD and the FAA saw the plane that was to hit the Pentagon do a complete u-turn and head towards D.C. forty-five minites before impact. Our air defense was obviously stood down.The guy who runs believes a plane DID hit the Pentagon and he has a good argument also. Here are some eye witness accounts...9/11 Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts: is WRH's theory...The "Pod People" And The Plane That Crashed Into the Pentagon: 9/11 USAF Stand Down:
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 12:54:55 PT
Just a Comment
I hope everyone has a nice weekend. The news has slowed up again but that does happen over the holidays. It's trying to snow here and since if we won't get much I'm looking forward to it. Stay safe!
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 10:45:13 PT
Max Flowers 
I understand how you feel. I just think those in power don't really care about society but care about keeping the whole thing working for them and big business. We aren't important. We are just numbers to them. I avoid politics because nothing can change my mind about how I feel we are expendable. I'll stand on my own two feet and make the best of my life and know that's how they are and thumb my nose at the hypocrisy. I love to be bubbly and hopeful but as soon as politics are mentioned I come back to earth and feel grumbly and bummed out. I will continue to live in my own little world of peace and happiness and the heck with the government other then paying our taxes.
TSO: Wonderful Christmas Music
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Comment #36 posted by Max Flowers on December 03, 2005 at 10:11:16 PT
Frustrating, isn't it
We all want the real answers, not big government coverup. We want the truth behind all of the incidents, the whole thing. And there are so many questions to which we'll very likely never get answers... hundreds of them. I remember the sickening moment a couple of days after 9/11 that I knew that it was going to be yet another one of those classic American mysteries with the feds keeping the people in the dark (think JFK, Roswell).For me, the realization that this was done to the people by the administration (and CIA? Mossad?---we just don't know) and done so blatantly and arrogantly, has been really difficult for me to process without getting angry and bitter about it. And afraid---NOT of terrorists, but of the US government or powerful factions within it, because I know now the shocking lengths they will go to in order to accomplish their sick objectives. 
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 09:54:53 PT
Max Flowers 
I didn't know that there were witnesses and thank you. They need to make public statements if they haven't and that would help clear this up. I wonder about the plane in Pennsylvania. When it made the turn around and headed back east it seemed it would have been near our home. Not real close but I want to know what caused that plane to go down like it did.
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Comment #34 posted by Max Flowers on December 03, 2005 at 09:19:01 PT
I meant to say that these witnesses were on the freeway in traffic in their cars (according to the website). I recall reading quotes from the witnesses as taken down by reporters, and being used in the website to debunk claims of government deception. Still, a REAL investigation would track these people down now, and get real statements from them and scrutinize them.Personally, I don't care what witnesses think they saw etc., a big jet like that will NOT just punch a nice clean small hole in a building, especially a fortifed building designed for war planning! In my mind, that was obviously a missile that did that. They must really think that the vast majority of us are really stupid and gullible (sadly, they may be right...). 
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Comment #33 posted by Max Flowers on December 03, 2005 at 09:12:39 PT
Supposedly, according to one website I came across once, there were dozens of witnesses who claimed to have seen the plane cross over the freeway that is near the Pentagon right before impact. That's hard to argue with, yet at the same time there are so many problems with the physical evidence at the scene, the withholding of videotape, etc that one knows that something strange went on there. Very frustrating.Do a search on 9/11-pentagon-witnesses and you'll find it. 
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 08:00:42 PT
Maybe someone did say they saw it on the special because I was busy and not paying 100 percent attention but I didn't hear it.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on December 03, 2005 at 07:54:47 PT
Last night on one of the Discovery Channels I saw people that were in or near the Pentagon talking about how they heard the plane coming towards the Pentagon and then they showed how the plane disintegrated in an animation after impact.My question did anyone go on record and say that they saw the plane before impact on it's approach? I don't think I heard anyone say they saw it just that they heard it.
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Comment #30 posted by mayan on December 03, 2005 at 07:33:59 PT
Sorry,unrelated, but you gotta' see this! On a FOX affiliate! These kids are incredible. There are many folks now demanding many answers. The mainstream media can no longer ignore the 9/11 cover-up or they risk losing what little credibility they have left. Here's the second part...Loose Change 2 on Local Fox Affiliate - Part 2 (video):'s the first part which is also linked on my previous post...Loose Change 2 on Local Fox Affiliate (video): revelation, on the heels of the highly publicized BYU professor's theory, reaffirms my suspicion that the fix is in. The impotent Bush just might take the fall for 9/11.Loose Change 9/11:
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Comment #29 posted by mayan on December 03, 2005 at 06:31:49 PT
What's To Fear?
A broad coalition of political parties unveiled a pilot program Friday to regulate marijuana farming on the model of tobacco, which opponents say would be tantamount to legalizing growing the drug.Cannabis is grown in the Netherlands to be sold openly in the coffee shops anyway. Where do these opponents think all the cannabis comes from? Just what do they fear? Cannabis is first and foremost a plant that contains THC, which is a drug. Industrial hemp contains small amounts of THC but most folks don't consider hemp a drug. Regardless,waging a war on any widely desired plant is futile and completely absurd. Just my two cents.Czech Republic is EU Cannabis Capital:,,1796465,00.html?maca=en-rss_english_top-388-rdfSomerset store pulls marijuana cookbook: WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Part 2: Student Documentary on 9/11: Change 2 on Local Fox Affiliate: for a foothills get-together: conspiracy theories surrounding Sept. 11: Hot: 9/11 North Tower Air Show: Motives Of The Bush Administration - By Dr. David Ray Griffin:
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Comment #28 posted by lombar on December 02, 2005 at 21:41:25 PT
Drug, narcotic, not worthy of prison either way!
Main Entry: 1nar·cot·ic
Pronunciation: när-'kä-tik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English narkotik, from Middle French narcotique, from narcotique, adjective, from Medieval Latin narcoticus, from Greek narkOtikos, from narkoun to benumb, from narkE numbness -- more at SNARE
1 a : a drug (as opium) that in moderate doses dulls the senses, relieves pain, and induces profound sleep but in excessive doses causes stupor, coma, or convulsions b : a drug (as marijuana or LSD) subject to restriction similar to that of addictive narcotics whether physiologically addictive and narcotic or not
2 : something that soothes, relieves, or lullsCannabis is restricted and soothes, relieves and lulls so by definition 1b(arbitrary), 2(inherent properities) Cannabis can be considered a narcotic but consider instead that it has been the prohibition propaganda that has demonized the word 'narcotic' to be something 'bad' or to be feared. Whether its a drug, narcotic, herb or whatever, the state has no right to cage people (and steal their property) simply for having and consuming it. Police conduct, not consumption.
Miriam-Webster Online Dictionary - Abridged
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 18:16:00 PT
Happy Holidays to you too. How we say what we say can mean the difference between someone understanding or someone turning their back on the discussion I believe. 
Great Holiday Music On Line - TSO
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Comment #26 posted by billos on December 02, 2005 at 18:13:30 PT
          More fodder for thought
Webster's Dictionary defintion of ""DRUG""(1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
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Comment #25 posted by billos on December 02, 2005 at 18:05:21 PT
I concur, and how to separate the issue with the antis IS very difficult.By the way.....Happy ALL on this site.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 17:43:45 PT
Psychoactive Plants
I did a search and found this link. I thought it might shed light on why I use different terms for Cannabis.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 17:33:34 PT
The main reason that I really mind the word drug associated with Cannabis is because some people try to put all drugs together in one category and then they think that we want all drugs legalized and I am not on that bandwagon. THC is a psychoactive substance but it is not made by man so that's why I separate drugs from cannabis. The antis look for links between drugs and cannabis and I am trying very hard to be true to cannabis but cannabis only. The way we say something can help us or hurt us.
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Comment #22 posted by siege on December 02, 2005 at 17:23:11 PT
O T boy removing surveillance in bathroom school
At the above article you can see a newsclip of a modern day freedom fighter, 13 year old Mac Beedor Champion, who has proudly been suspended from his Georgia high school for removing a surveillance camera from the bathroom in his school.
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Comment #21 posted by billos on December 02, 2005 at 17:21:26 PT
No, what I meant is that cannabis DOES contain a drug. That is THC. Just like coffee beans contain the drug Caffeine. 
I empathize with what you say and mean when you state that pot is not a drug but I think it might be more like cannabis IS a drug but NOT a narcotic. The LEO's consider pot to be a dangerous narcotic....which we all know is crap.
Not trying to disagree just smooth the misconception between drug...and narcotic. I beleive a drug may not necessarily be a narcotic (pot..caffeine) but ALL narcotics ARE drugs AND man made AND dangerous. Alcohol is a drug, not a narcotic( it can be made by nature ) but rivals most narcotics when it comes to the dangers.
Cheers :>)
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Comment #20 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 17:04:03 PT
Free Light
InfinityTake a sliceBrother,, Sister,Sister and Brother,Bearing witness,
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Comment #19 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 16:49:17 PT
That Evelasting LightEnd our warOn CannabisOn Children
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Comment #18 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 16:38:13 PT
End The War
On the Blessed CannabisIf you have the 'time,Any 'wars,'we' those childrenNeed first aid,Bandages foodWarmthAccess to the LightThe Free LightThat shines
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 16:32:38 PT
DEA Agent Warns of Gateway Drugs
Recreational users kidding themselves, he says Friday, December 2, 2005  
 No one starts wanting to be addicted to drugs or expecting to die from drugs.Most people believe they'll just be a recreational user.It's a myth, said Mark Warpness, a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration in Chicago who goes around talking to parents, students and community groups in Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin.Warpness was the guest speaker at the first Crown Point Family Drug Initiative held Thursday night at the Civic Center. Fewer than 10 people showed up, and many of them were connected with the presentation.Complete Article:
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 15:58:40 PT
Tight buds,GreetingsWho volunteersTo stop this 'next crucifixion
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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 15:34:22 PT
Do You Swallow?
Open your mouthGrapes, Blood,When you digestYou awakenHave you a soft hand In your hand?peaceunderstandingThight buds,
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 15:18:29 PT
Drugs I Just Don't Like What They Mean To Me
I mind drugs because God didn't need any help making good medicine. He made the best medicine ever created. Drugs are cheaper then natural herbs so they can make more profit from synthetic substances even though they can become toxic very easily to a person.
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Comment #13 posted by global_warming on December 02, 2005 at 14:59:59 PT
There comes a moment when you say,
"Opponents, however, have argued that regulation could open the door to outright legalization of marijuana..'..This experiment would be at odds with Dutch law, and there's a legal problem" internationally, as well, Balkenende said."Cannabis, kind of sounds like Cannanites, those who dwell in Cannan, where the water was miraculously transformed from water into 'wine, this must have been a wonderful party and wedding.Shall we prepare the table of the Lord, for the time of supper is arriving, may our guest, that son of man, feast and relax, for it has been long awaited, this day.
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Comment #12 posted by Sam Adams on December 02, 2005 at 14:54:39 PT
I was joking but beer contains alcohol, which is a drug. Beer does not occur naturally, though it's made from natural ingredients (good beer is, not bud/miller/coors swill). Beer is basically liquid bread.Hey, I'm OK with cannabis being a "drug", but then beer, wine, and coffee are also "drugs". 
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Comment #11 posted by Max Flowers on December 02, 2005 at 14:54:23 PT
I'm with FoM 1000% on this one
I do a slow burn whenever I see newspaper writers call cannabis "drugs." I think that when a writer calls cannabis "drug(s)", it's usually a sign of bias.
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Comment #10 posted by Toker00 on December 02, 2005 at 14:52:12 PT
We've lived in an artificial world long enough.
I agree with you FoM. Now, Marinol has THC, but since it has been removed from the plant and manipulated by man, it becomes a "Drug". Coca leaves can be chewed and enjoyed without overdose, but take the Psychoactive part out and manipulate it, and it becomes a "drug", and an overdose danger. If they synthesize drugs to be like the ingredients of natural plants, what does that tell ya? God knew what he was doin',huh? There are ways to prepare the whole plant that releases the healing properties NATURALLY. If science had been applied to study how to manipulate the WHOLE plant in such a way to produce NATURAL medicine, without the danger of side effects from human-sorcery "drugs", pharmaceutical drugs (at least a lot of them) would never have been necessary, nor all the deaths and damage caused by them. Just as our world would not be polluted had we stayed with a hemp economy instead of being bullied into dependency on OIL, and crippled by Cannabis Prohibition. We are going to be forced "back to nature" pretty soon anyway, so we better learn how to live NATURALY.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 14:38:39 PT
To me a narcotic is a substance that can cause serious withdrawal pain if stopped if a person has taken it regularly for a length of time. Cannabis doesn't cause withdrawal that can kill a person like a narcotic can. A person might be grumpy if they don't have any Cannabis but they won't get physically ill.
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Comment #8 posted by billos on December 02, 2005 at 14:23:26 PT
maybe a better term would be "narcotic".? ? ? Narcotics are man made. Pot is a plant that contains the drug THC though the DEA considers it a narcotic.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 14:15:34 PT
I don't know about beer and how it's made but if it occurs naturally I think beer would be an intoxicating beverage but is that a drug? I don't think so. I think of drugs as white powders or maybe other colors but made in a laboratory. My feelings about herbs and drugs aren't based on their intoxicating properties but are they natural or man made.I understand what you mean about how society is getting. 
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Comment #6 posted by sam adams on December 02, 2005 at 14:00:35 PT
OT article
Here it is - a little trouble taking your speed, Johnny? Here, try this, you won't even have to swallow the pill to get your fix, er, I mean, medication......Scientist finds fault with patch for ADHDWASHINGTON -- A patch developed to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children received a negative review from a Food and Drug Administration scientist, who concluded that the drug cannot be safely marketed.The patch uses methylphenidate, the same drug that is in Ritalin. FDA reviewer Dr. Robert Levin found that the patch produces troubling side effects too often to be considered safe. His findings were in briefing documents released yesterday by the agency in advance of a public meeting on the drug.The reviewer's findings are not the final word. An independent panel of specialists convened by the FDA is expected to consider today whether the patch is effective and safe. The FDA has the final call on whether the patch can be made available, but it often follows the advice of its panels.The patch, developed by Noven Pharmaceuticals of Miami and Shire Pharmaceuticals Group in the United Kingdom, goes on a child's hip for nine hours, according to submissions by the company. It releases into the body methylphenidate, a stimulant that calms children with ADHD. It is for children between the ages of 6 and 12.Noven pitched the patch as a way to treat ADHD in children for whom taking pills is difficult or unpleasant. It can be removed if it causes any side effects.Some children who received the patch during trials reported decreased appetite, headaches, insomnia, nausea, and developing tics, the FDA said. Some also had skin irritation where the patch was applied. The side effects occurred more often than in children taking Concerta, a pill that uses methylphenidate, and those taking a placebo, the FDA said. 
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Comment #5 posted by Sam Adams on December 02, 2005 at 13:56:07 PT
Fom, can we get an exemption for beer?  Man made beer, but surely it's not a drug? I just saw an article on how the makers of "Concerta" are trying to make it as a patch. Concerta is Big Pharm-speak for "speed" - it's the methamphetamine analog for kids with "ADD".Now they want a patch that would deliver "Concerta" through the skin. Concerta. You've got to be kidding! I can't even imagine sitting in a doctor's office, and having the guy tell me "Your child needs Concerta". I would get up and leave.Things are really starting to get crazy around here! I can't help but feel like everything is trending toward us becoming capitalistic slaves of the machine, working more hours than anyone else in the world, so our pre-programmed litte consumer-slave children can be drugged into submssion while simultaneously enriching drug makers and insurance companies.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 13:16:36 PT
I consider drugs as something made by man. Drugs do not naturally occur but must be synthesized.I take medicinal herbs and medicinal herbs are just weeds like Cannabis. Sometimes it's the leaves, sometimes the flowers, and sometimes the root that has the medicinal properties. God made plants. Man made drugs. I hope this helps. Plant don't need to be made by anyone they are complete.
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Comment #3 posted by Taylor121 on December 02, 2005 at 13:08:35 PT
It would be nice...
if the Dutch would just go all the way and finish it. I find it funny that the Drug Czar will jump at any chance to say the Dutch are moving away from their policy of tolerance just because they closed down some coffee shops that were operating out of the mainstream, which in my opinion is the Dutch acknowledging and wanting to work with their policy. Now it becomes clear that the ONDCP is full of trash, with the majority of mayors and the law makers inching towards a policy of regulation and taxation.Btw FoM, I don't understand what you meant by saying cannabis isn't a drug. 
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on December 02, 2005 at 12:58:11 PT
Hmmmm, I wonder if the whole flap over US torture prisons in Eastern Europe has anything to do with the timing. It's easy to see the logic - they're going to run torture prisons in our country (EU), and then tell us we can't grow cannabis?!?Way to go Holland, way to go. At least there's one country left where the politicians still have a shred of integrity remaining.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on December 02, 2005 at 12:29:45 PT
Legalizing Growing The DRUG
Cannabis is a plant or an herb or just a weed since herbs are really just weeds but it is NOT a DRUG!There I feel better.
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