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Souder Fuming Over Anti-Drug Snub
Posted by CN Staff on May 22, 2005 at 08:37:18 PT
By Sylvia Smith, The Journal Gazette
Source: Journal Gazette
Washington, D.C. -- “The administration continues to be negligent in the area of narcotics.” “The No. 1 crime problem in America is related to narcotics, and it’s about time this administration understood that problem.”Nothing mealy mouthed about those accusations. If I told you they were from a Republican, you’d assume the administration in question was the Clinton White House. But you’d be wrong.
Rep. Mark Souder has been on a verbal rampage against the Bush administration and what he sees as its lax, slack and out of whack attack on drugs. Souder, in short, is on the warpath on the war on drugs.He doesn’t come out and say that President Bush’s policies and budget proposals are in the enemy camp, but how else to interpret his complaints?“What you see is a national strategy that I never thought I would see out of my party, which is ‘Washington knows best because you guys at the local level just don’t cooperate right,’ ” Souder bemoaned on the House floor.Souder didn’t come to Washington to be the chief congressional nag on illicit drugs. But as a freshman he was appointed to a narcotics task force (which appeared to be as much a vehicle for slamming President Clinton as it did a panel for proposing anti-drug strategies) and then became the chairman of a subcommittee that oversees the nation’s anti-drug programs. Those things turned him into a bulldog on the issue, and he doesn’t care whose leg he’s gnawing.At the moment, it’s Bush’s. More specifically: the budget Bush has proposed for next year.“This is not a question about cutting drug dollars,” Souder said of the 2006 budget proposal. “This is a systematic, philosophical change of this administration in how they want to approach narcotics.”Souder, it’s clear, doesn’t agree with the approach, and he hasn’t been shy about explaining why.Souder sees an effective anti-drug strategy as perching on a four-legged platform: preventing people from using drugs in the first place, arresting domestic producers and dealers, blocking imported drugs, and treatment. The Bush administration, Souder says, is doing OK on treatment and trying to stop international production (think Colombia and Afghanistan.)But:“On the law enforcement and prevention, this budget is a disaster.”Bush wants to eliminate programs that funnel federal money to communities for drug-prevention programs, anti-drug task forces and efforts to corral local drug rings.One of the things the Bush administration wants to zap is the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas, which was designed to give federal help to local law enforcement agencies in an area where there’s a lot of drug trafficking. The help comes in the form of money and coordination.The initial five HIDTAs have expanded to several dozen in 43 states. They are no longer a concentrated effort focused on a few drug hot spots. One might conclude that having that kind of targeted money and resources is a good idea, so doing it in a lot of places around the country is a good idea. The Bush administration, however, sees it as congressional pork.“The sheer magnitude of this expansion raises questions about whether the drug trafficking in all of these areas meets the intent of the statute as enacted,” according to the Bush administration’s critique. “Congressional pressures have been primarily responsible for this expansion.”Overall, the White House rates HIDTA as “results not demonstrated,” and wants Congress to kill it.Likewise, the White House sniffs at the Safe and Drug-Free Schools program. It says schools have too much flexibility on how to spend the money and get very little money on a per-student basis, so they can’t do much anyway.The White House wants to freeze the national anti-drug advertising campaign at this year’s level (which means a cut, given that the price of everything has gone up) and eliminate a program of grants to police and sheriff’s departments.By eviscerating the Safe and Drug-Free Schools program, HIDTAs, community anti-drug councils and grants to local law enforcement, Souder said, the Bush administration is wiping out the locally based programs and retaining the Washington-run efforts. Hence his frustration at this un-Republican attitude that Uncle Sam knows best.Souder says it’s wrong-headed to focus almost exclusively on treatment and interdiction.“I, as a Christian, believe the source problem is sin,” he said in a speech on the floor of the House. “You do not get rid of sin. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests sin is going to disappear. If you want to call it something else that is a struggle when you start to get addicted to an illegal substance, fine, call it that; but it is basically do not ask me why we cannot get rid of drug use in the United States and not ask the same question about rape, spouse abuse and child abuse and other things we struggle with. We never get rid of them.“What we do is we try to control them the best we can.”Not everyone agrees that illegal drugs are the problem that Souder says. But the fact is that society – through our lawmakers – has decided that certain substances are off limits and that we will punish people who make, sell and use them. If that is the national policy, Souder is right that it is foolhardy to undercut programs that attempt to prevent people from using drugs or devoting adequate resources to enforcing the laws.But it’s highly likely that Bush’s budget won’t become law. The Safe and Drug-Free Schools program, HIDTA and the other programs headed for Bush’s trash heap have powerful advocates. Souder’s passion pales in comparison to the fervor of moms and dads, police chiefs and mayors who call their congressional offices with testimony of how this or that program produced results.Bush is proposing to rearrange the overall anti-drug budget, not cut it. Chances are, parents and community groups will be able to make a convincing case to Congress that the programs Bush wants to boost should get more money and the programs he wants to axe should be preserved.For them, Souder is offering a roadmap. And he’s making it very clear that he, for one, is quite aware that Bush is a lame duck.A 31-year veteran of The Journal Gazette, Sylvia Smith has covered Washington for 16 years. She is the only Washington-based reporter who exclusively covers northeast Indiana. Source: Journal Gazette, The (IN)Author: Sylvia Smith, The Journal GazettePublished: Sunday, May 22, 2005Copyright: 2005 The Journal GazetteContact: letters jg.netWebsite: http://www.journalgazette.netRelated Articles:War on Drugs Gone To Pothttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20691.shtmlThe War on Pot: Wrong Drug, Wrong Warhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20674.shtmlMarijuana Becomes Focus of Drug Warhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20619.shtmlCAGW Report Exposes Futility of Drug Policyhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20670.shtml
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Comment #69 posted by afterburner on May 24, 2005 at 19:11:14 PT
Circle of Lies
The US pressures other countries to sign UN Treaties and then, uses the UN Treaties as a justification for refusing to liberalize cannabis laws. The US pressures The Netherlands to crack down on high-potency cannabis in the mistaken belief, or wish, that increased THC-content is analogous to increased alcohol content in higher-proof malt liquor, wines and spirits. The federal government of The Netherlands complies with a study and proposed legislation, against the wishes of the local governments that administer the official policy of cannabis tolerance. Then the US and UK governments quote the wimpy federal response of The Netherlands to justify further ramping up of cannabis prohibition.Another example of this phenomenon is the incessant quest to prove "reefer madness" against the evidence. The US lies with statistics about the danger to mental health extrapolated from forced treatment offered as alternative to jail. The UK quotes anecdotal, self-reporting studies (the same kind that prohibitionists decry when used to demonstrate medical effectiveness of cannabis) to *prove* the mental harm of high-potency cannabis, when the demographics of use show no significant increase of or correlation to schizophrenia. Then, prohibitionists in Alaska and the UK attempt to increase penalties for cannabis using this faulty research as justification.Tenth Amendment. Tenth Commandment.Amendment X"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
--U.S. Constitution - Bill of Rights http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.htmlTenth Commandment"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. ... or anything that belongs to your neighbor." Exodus 20:17
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor." --New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society[Bible Gateway
http://www.biblegateway.com/
] How many so-called Christians in Congress or in the general public support forfeiture of their neighbor's property *before* a trial has convicted their neighbor of any crime? Is this a Christian way to act? Is this not false evidence (i.e., not yet proven) [Ninth Commandment] as well as coveting [Tenth Commandment]?Do the ten commandments mean nothing to many in the "religious right" and their champions in Congress?
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Comment #68 posted by afterburner on May 24, 2005 at 18:16:31 PT
Number 9...Number 9...Number 9
9th Circuit Court. Ninth Amendment. Ninth Commandment.9th Circuit Court of Appeals
Supreme Court Medical Pot Case Has Pueblo Link [includes timeline of the Raich vs. Ashcroft case]
Posted by CN Staff on January 17, 2005 at 18:13:30 PT
By Patrick Malone, The Pueblo Chieftain,
Source: Pueblo Chieftain
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/20/thread20131.shtmlAmendment IX"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
--U.S. Constitution - Bill of Rights
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.htmlNinth Commandment"You shall not bear false evidence against your neighbor." by Rev. James Weir.Deuteronomy 5:20 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."
--New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible SocietyDeuteronomy 5:20 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
--New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman FoundationDeuteronomy 5:20 "Do not tell a lie about your neighbor."
--New Life Version (NLV)
Copyright © 1969 by Christian Literature International
Deuteronomy 5:20 "Do not give dishonest testimony against your neighbor."
--Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003 by Holman Bible Publishers, Nashville Tennessee. All rights reserved.Exodus 23
Sundry Laws
1 "You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness."
--Exodus 23:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation[Bible Gateway
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] Political propaganda is presented as scientific fact. Legitimate medical research is hidden or stymied by prohibitionist agencies. Is this not false evidence? Is this not suppression of the truth. When such faulty evidence is used in a court of law and when medical cannabis evidence is suppressed in a court of law, is this not "bear[ing] false evidence, or witness, against your neighbor"?Souder says,
“I, as a Christian, believe the source problem is sin”God said, "Let the earth sprout ... plants yielding seed..." and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:11-12
11 {Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. 12 {The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.}
--New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman FoundationGod said that cannabis (a seed-yielding plant) is good. Souder says that cannabis is a problem is sin. Who do you believe? Do the ten commandments mean nothing to many in the "religious right" and their champions in Congress?
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Comment #67 posted by global_warming on May 24, 2005 at 17:03:05 PT
re;Annie
Eurythmics Missionary Man lyricsWell I was born an original sinner.
I was borne from original sin.
And if I had a dollar bill
For all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money
Piled up to my chin...
My mother told me good
My mother told me strong.
She said be true to yourself
And you can't go wrong.
But there's just one thing
That you must understand.
You can fool with your brother -
But don't mess with a missionary man.
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Comment #66 posted by global_warming on May 24, 2005 at 16:54:28 PT
re:the enemy
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him. Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. ----Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. ---If you allow that part of your soul and mind to recieve the Holy Spirit, you will understnd that our neighbors, sisters and brothers, are all, on the same page, we are all standing against injustice, we are all standing together, in praise of God, standing against the night, against that darkness of our souls, that thieving disease, that steals our souls, our families, our humanity.peace
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on May 24, 2005 at 15:54:14 PT
Max Flowers
I worry like you do. We aren't the enemy but they sure want us to seem like we are.
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Comment #64 posted by jose melendez on May 24, 2005 at 10:03:01 PT
give 'em something to talk about . . .
. . . and for God's sake, they are comparing us to murderers and rapists while accepting funds to house pot smokers with murderers and rapists. Thanks for the input on CCCCP, I know I need all the feedback I can get! (MarijuanaMission, RxPot PipePeace . . .)I'll be lucky if Mica's secretary doesn't just shred the incoming drug policy alliance emails to protect her reputation, or pension . . .Anyone else in Florida's 7th Congressional District?DC Address:The Honorable John L. MicaUnited States House of Representatives2313 Rayburn House Office BuildingWashington, D.C. 20515-0907DC Phone: 202-225-4035DC Fax: 202-226-0821Email Address: http://www.house.gov/mica/messageform.htmWWW Homepage: http://www.house.gov/mica/District Offices: 668 North Orlando Avenue, Suite 208Maitland, FL 32751-4495Voice: 407-657-8080FAX: 407-657-5353 770 West Granada Boulevard, Suite 315Ormond Beach, FL 32174-5180Voice: 386-676-7750FAX: 386-676-7748 840 Deltona Boulevard, Suite GDeltona, FL 32725-7162Voice: 386-860-1499FAX: 386-860-5730 613 St. Johns Avenue, Room 107Palatka, FL 32177-4643Voice: 386-328-1622 3000 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard, Suite 1St. Augustine, FL 32084-8600Voice: 904-810-5048FAX: 904-810-5091 1 Florida Park Drive, Suite 100Palm Coast, FL 32137Voice: 386-246-6042 - - -Bubba Love, for Fun and Profit? Private firms invited to bid on county jail
Beaver County Times, PA - May 20, 2005
... GEO Group, then known as Wackenhut Corrections Corp., took over management of the Delaware County jail in 1995 and stayed on when a new jail opened in 1998. http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14560386&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6...
State to get new predator facility . . .Charlotte Sun-Herald, FL - May 12, 2005
... Jorge Dominicis, president of Geo Atlantic Shores Health Care Inc., a division of the Wackenhut security contractor, said his company is interested in bidding ...
Lobbyists dish out $418,949 in state
Santa Fe New Mexican, NM - May 4, 2005http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/051305/tp2ch7.htm?date=051305&story=tp2ch7.htm ... Gov. Bill Richardson received about $38,700 of those contributions, including $10,000 from Geo Group Inc., formerly known as Wackenhut Corrections Corp., which ...http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/13386.html - - - So companies like Merck can tie NPR ombudsman Jeff Dvorkin in a closet and advertise alongside ONDCP, defrauding my own Medicare and Medicaid with pills that are ten times higher than the 17,500 percent markup that street cannabis dealers charge?http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/52DCB3EC216F068086256FFF0013F727?OpenDocumentAttorney General Jay Nixon said California-based Dey Inc. and New Jersey-based Warrick Pharmaceuticals schemed to boost profits by artificially inflating their "average wholesale price" on three respiratory drugs.
The companies were "marketing the spread," Nixon said, encouraging pharmacies and other health care providers to buy their brands by creating a large difference between the average wholesale price and the actual cost. The average wholesale price is a factor in how much Medicaid reimburses for drugs for the poor.The lawsuit says the companies "knowingly and intentionally" lied to an independent company that assembles drug price data, to boost their sales.In one example, Nixon said Dey reported an average wholesale price of $14.99 for one inhaled medicine called albuterol sulfate when health care providers were paying less than 40 percent of that - $5.91 or less.Nixon's office said the investigation could grow to include other companies.
Nixon is seeking triple damages, or at least $45 million before fines and costs are factored in. The suit also asks for a $1,000 fine for each time the law was broken. Nixon said that one drug alone had been filled more than 400,000 times by Missouri Medicaid.
"Quite frankly, this is waste, fraud and abuse in a big way," he said in a news conference in St. Louis.http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05118/495808.stmThe steep discount was meant to be used for charitable organizations in desperate need of inexpensive medicines. But two lawsuits -- one unsealed this week and the other still under seal -- allege that Merck & Co. improperly gave the 90 percent-and-up discounts (a practice called nominal pricing) to any hospital helping it achieve certain market-share goals. The extreme cut rate wasn't offered to Medicaid.
Last month, GlaxoSmithKline PLC disclosed a Justice Department subpoena requesting information about the company's nominal-pricing policies.Other than the Glaxo subpoena and the two Merck lawsuits, there is no information about other drug manufacturers being investigated over the practice. But attorneys and members of Congress believe the practice may be industrywide. A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline declined to comment.The Senate committee that oversees Medicaid last year demanded information from 19 drug companies about their nominal-pricing practices, an inquiry that is still under way. Last month, the committee sent out another round of letters seeking additional information on the topic from drug manufacturers, according to a committee staffer.In one of the suits against Merck, unsealed in Second Judicial District Court for the State of Nevada this week, the attorney general in Nevada joined a complaint against Merck by a former employee. Quoting what it says are internal documents from Merck, the complaint alleges that Merck promised hospitals a 92 percent discount on its drug Zocor if they boosted Zocor's share of their cholesterol-lowering prescriptions to 70 percent. Such an increase would come at the expense of Pfizer Inc.'s statin, Lipitor. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050512005953&newsLang=enHIRC Finds Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Lilly and Sanofi-Aventis Most Active in Disease Management
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Comment #63 posted by Jose Melendez on May 24, 2005 at 09:23:15 PT
Think T-shirts, bumpers stickers . . .
Good! You noticed my Orwellian marketing plan. (Grin)If they can have a czar, I can have a controversial, catchy icon that evokes imagery of the tyranny this country is supposed to stand against.
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Comment #62 posted by Max Flowers on May 24, 2005 at 08:45:43 PT
Jose
Maybe I'm being weird, but I'm a little concerned about the initials for Concerned Citizens Coalition to Criminalize Prohibition, which are CCCCP, as it's so similar to the Soviet Union's old initial moniker, which was CCCP. Knowing how lame all these politicians are and how they probably long for the cold war days, I'm thinking there could be a bad association there, namely, pro-cannabis = communist.Maybe I'm just being silly....?
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Comment #61 posted by jose melendez on May 24, 2005 at 06:23:54 PT
Prohibitionists: Racism, Deception, Crime; Profit!
Prohibitionist: Barry McCaffrey Racism: http://www.commondreams.org/views/051700-105.htm “According to some estimates,” wrote McCaffrey, “as many as 70 percent of NBA players may be current drug users. Crime: In his op ed column ironically titled “A Clean and Sober NBA” (Washington Post, Sept. 30, 1998), Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey never once allowed the word “alcohol” http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/december96/mccaffrey_12-30.html Deception:GENERAL BARRY McCAFFREY: "We’re concerned about two things. First, to protect the medical scientific process by which you bring safe and effective medicine to the American people, and that’s done through a very effective process of the National Institute of Health and the Federal Drug Administration, Food & Drug Administration . . .Profit: . . . So we think that’s important to avoid thalidomide, laetrile, to not have popular referendums that decide medicines . . . We really don’t see (cannabis) as a medical issue. "Evidence: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4341.htmlhttp://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa072.html - - -Prohibitionist: John Walters"they're being told lies. And they're being told things that are designed to push a particular agenda which is detrimental to your children, and detrimental to the country." Racism: http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/prisons/overview.htmlDeception:http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/05/03/pot.risk/ Walters cited a government study that found a base rate of mental illness at between 8 percent and 9 percent among Americans 18 and older. For those who use marijuana, he said, "That increases to 12-and-a-half percent."And, he added, "For those who have used marijuana prior to age 12, the rate of mental illness jumps to 21 percent."The rate was half that, or 10.5 percent, for adults who first used marijuana at age 18 or older.Those were the findings of the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, an annual survey sponsored by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration . . . Crime: . . . Walters did not directly address the possibility of confusing cause and effect -- that is, that people with mental problems might be more inclined to use drugs."Evidence: http://www.procon.org/AddictChart.htm Addictiveness of Marijuana vs. FiveCommonly Used Drugshttp://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8395 "House Republicans tried to slip in legislation re-authorizing the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) provisions that would have allowed Drug Czar John P. Walters to use the five-year, $1.2 billion ad campaign as he wished, to defeat future ballot measures or even individual candidates the White House opposed. When a sharp-eyed lobbyist at the Drug Policy Alliance spotted the hidden provisions, reformers raised holy heck, and these particular abuses were blocked. That doesn't change the fact that -- since by statute ONDCP buys all its ads at half-price -- there'll be something approaching $400 million in social marketing flooding the media annually over the next five years. Given that the entire beer industry spends approximately $1 billion a year on overall marketing, think of the sheer heft of nearly 40 percent of the beer effort. "More deception (PERJURY?): http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/news/testimony05/051105/drug_infrastructure_reduc.htmlAmong the critical programs leading our efforts to reduce youth drug use and educate young people on the direct impact of illicit drugs is ONDCP's own National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign.http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/About/Partners/list.aspxhttp://www.compassionatecoalition.org/phpBB2/archive.php/o_t__t_3993__bud.html http://www.comcast.com/InTheCommunity/News/release/InTheNews_57.html http://cadca.org/Events/DFK2005/dfk2004.asp Exposure to anti-drug advertising has had an impact on improving youth anti-drug attitudes and intentions.
With respect to the over 19 million Americans who still use drugs on a monthly basis and the roughly seven million who meet the clinical criteria for needing treatment, we have proposed $3.2 billion for treatment in FY 06, an increase of about 4.5 percent over FY 05. This includes $150 million for Access to Recovery—a treatment initiative which provides drug treatment to individuals otherwise unable to obtain access to services . . .http://antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=2055 wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/109/wal051105.pdf http://ciponline.org/colombia/blog/Evidence:http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t040922.htmlhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c108:1:./temp/~c108YehuzM:e0: A BILL To amend the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974, Public Health Service Act, and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide parity with respect to substance abuse treatment benefits under group health plans and health insurance coverage.Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.This Act may be cited as the `Help Expand Access to Recovery and Treatment Act of 2003' or the `HEART Act'.SEC. 2. FINDINGS.Congress finds the following:(1) Substance abuse, if left untreated, is a medical emergency and a private and public health crisis . . .Profit:(2) Nothing in this Act should be construed as prohibiting application of the concept of parity to substance abuse treatment provided by faith-based treatment providers. . . . That said, even with effective prevention and treatment programs, reducing drug use is complicated by the availability of addictive substances. A key pillar of the National Drug Control Strategy is therefore to disrupt the supply of drugs by attacking the economic basis of the drug trade. In the Andes, our efforts have focused on destroying the cocaine and heroin manufacturing apparatus. There is clear common ground for our efforts in major drug producing countries because the governments in those nations realize that an entrenched illegal drug industry is a threat not only to the health of their own citizens, but also to national security."Crime: http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8395 "House Republicans tried to slip in legislation re-authorizing the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) provisions that would have allowed Drug Czar John P. Walters to use the five-year, $1.2 billion ad campaign as he wished, to defeat future ballot measures or even individual candidates the White House opposed . . . Evidence: . . . When a sharp-eyed lobbyist at the Drug Policy Alliance spotted the hidden provisions, reformers raised holy heck, and these particular abuses were blocked.That doesn't change the fact that -- since by statute ONDCP buys all its ads at half-price -- there'll be something approaching $400 million in social marketing flooding the media annually over the next five years. Given that the entire beer industry spends approximately $1 billion a year on overall marketing, think of the sheer heft of nearly 40 percent of the beer effort. " - - -Prohibitionist: Harry Anslinger: "Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality and death." And even funnier to lazy stoners around the world, "Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."Racism: http://www.biography.ms/Harry_J._Anslinger.html Anslinger, was made Commissioner of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics a year after he made the public remark "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men." Evidence:http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/3/28/04148/1823 The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.Many question the real motive of this act, and marijuana prohibition, and there are numerous theories. One is simply that Anslinger was trying to make a name for himself, trying to climb the political ladder using fear tactics and propaganda. Another is the Anslinger/Mellon/Hearst theory that was described by Jack Herer in his book The Emporer has no clothes . Crime:Harry Anslinger was married to one of the Dupont girls, and worked for Mellon. Dupont developed a patented way of using synthetic fibers instead of cotton, as cotton was very labor intensive to harvest. On the other hand, it was very difficult to seperate hemp fiber from the plant itself. Well someone invented a way to do it easily. Since cheap natural fiber was a threat to Dupont's Synthetic's business, Anslinger put an end to it. That's one of the theories . . .(snip)Deception (PERJURY?):This is what happened in the House: Speaker Sam Rayburn called for the bill to be passed on "tellers". A Republican from Upstate NY stood up and asked:"Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"Speaker Rayburn replied, "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind. "The Congressman from NY Replied "Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"Mr. Fred Vinson, a member of the committee who had supported the bill, leaped to his feet and he said, "their Doctor Wharton came down here. They support this bill 100 percent." And that's it. Not only did they get the guys name wrong - it was Woodward - it was wholly untrue. But it was good enough. The bill passed without a roll call.In the Senate, there was no recorded vote or debate. The bill went to President Roosevelt's Desk and marijuana prohibition, masquerading as a tax act, was signed into law.Deception (PERJURY?):http://www.pipes.org/Articles/history.html http://www.rism.org/isg/dlp/ganja/analyses/Davis1.html http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/taxact/t10a.htmhttp://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?ID=31962 - - -Re: comment #59: Industrial Extortion: Operating Systems Held Hostagehttp://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2003/Sep/0162.htmlKey words or phrases for this entire post: "intentional fraud", "false claims", "defective dangerous", "what's the difference?"
Perjury: Same as it Ever Was?
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Comment #60 posted by jfrolang on May 24, 2005 at 06:12:47 PT
schadenfreude
There is no equivalent english word, but the literal translation is "damage joy"
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Comment #59 posted by BGreen on May 24, 2005 at 05:33:56 PT
Warning About Internet Explorer
Hackers Holding Computer Files 'Hostage'By TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer 18 minutes agoWASHINGTON - Computer users already anxious about viruses and identity theft have new reason to worry: Hackers have found a way to lock up the electronic documents on your computer and then demand $200 over the Internet to get them back.Security researchers at San Diego-based Websense Inc. uncovered the unusual extortion plot when a corporate customer they would not identify fell victim to the infection, which encrypted files that included documents, photographs and spreadsheets.A ransom note left behind included an e-mail address, and the attacker using the address later demanded $200 for the digital keys to unlock the files."This is equivalent to someone coming into your home, putting your valuables in a safe and not telling you the combination," said Oliver Friedrichs, a security manager for Symantec Corp.SNIPPED
Hackers Holding Computer Files 'Hostage'
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Comment #58 posted by goneposthole on May 24, 2005 at 05:09:29 PT
what if...
Mr. Souder were prescribed Vioxx by his doctor? Do you think he would take it, knowing full well that Vioxx has caused some 140 thousand deaths?Or, would he choose another option? Just curious as to how big a fool he really is.I know what will help his arthritic brain.One more time, again and again, young people who fear being used as bullet stoppers for the Bush Cabal's dirty little wars are going to get high for a darn good reason: You won't be able to use drugs after you're dead and you might as well get high if you're going to be marching off to war. You might be singing 'Waltzing Matilda' when you return like 28,000 are already doing.It's a no brainer, but I doubt if Mr. Souder can figure it out. He needs some sleep. I doubt if one of his constituents is willing to give him any.
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Comment #57 posted by Toker00 on May 24, 2005 at 03:57:43 PT
Jose
I have seen you post many times and realize you must do an enormous amount of research in order to be able to post such specific answers to our questions. I would like to thank you for your enormous effort and praise you for your work. It's good to have Jose Melendez on our side.Schadenfreude. It even Sounds Nazi.Peace. Legalize, then Revoluionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #56 posted by OverwhelmSam on May 24, 2005 at 03:51:01 PT
Souder Is Bought And Paid For
I remember an interview between Souder and another representative on the news over a pharmaceutical related bill. Souder was vehemently supporting the pharmaceutical companies.The reporter asked Souder if he recieved campaign contributions from pharmaceutical companies. Soulder didn't want to answer at first. He then relented and said that he did recieve contributions from big pharmaceutical companies, but that is not why he is supporting them. (Liar!)So much for justifying your actions based on your Religion Souder. Still, people in Souder's district must be heavily sedated on something, because they've re-elected him again. We've got to get the people in his district into rehab, so they can wake up and fire this BoZo. (Did I spell Bozo right? I use the term Bozo, because Souder is not your garden variety of Clowns. He is the ultimate king of Clowns and the king of Clowns as far as I am aware, is BOZO. Stop screwing people over Souder!) Overwhelm Uncle Sam
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Comment #55 posted by Shishaldin on May 23, 2005 at 23:38:47 PT
Hope, there is an English word...
...for Schadenfreude. Some would term it EVIL. I consider it mental illness that manifests itself in a nasty way...
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 20:37:23 PT
Jose
That's a good one. Let us know if you get a response.I'm so very thankful for you and your ability and the fact that you use your wonderful ability so well.
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 20:33:10 PT
There is no English word for schadenfreude.
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/05/10.htmlGuess it wouldn't do any good to confront them with it. They would deny they actually get "pleasure" or "delight" from persecuting people who want to use cannabis. Although I'm positive that some do.Dictionary.com
schadenfreude:
Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
or Delight in another person's misfortune.
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Comment #52 posted by Jose Melendez on May 23, 2005 at 20:27:29 PT
Get them to out themselves
I think we'll have an easier time recording and publicizing their responses to letters like this:Sent to Congresman John Mica via:http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=26179&MS=Sensen051705-aa As a voting citizen of these United States, and a resident of Congresional District 7, I strongly urge you to publicly denounce the Orwellian H.R. 1528, Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005. In this regard, I am formally requesting a meeting with my group in your office to determine if and why you knowingly support incarcertion and prison rape for those who would self medicate with unapproved and demonstrably safer alternatives to the pharmaceutical and intoxicant products that tend to fund anti-drug propaganda, and members of Congress.Ironically, this was suggested to me by a woman who was frustrated in her attempts to register a complaint, publicly attempting to use her position of 13 years as a staff worker in John Mica's Deltona office as reason why the DeLand Police Department ought to hurry up and make her neighbors stop allowing their pet rabbits to damage her garden.As founder of the Concerned Citizens Coalition to Criminalize Prohibition, it is my hope that you will agree to meet with us on the record to help end this unlawful war against your own constituents. In the process, perhaps you can assure us that these types of abuses of your Honorable office will no longer be tolerated.
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 20:06:47 PT
Maybe we don't just need to sue them...
Perhaps we should see if they can't be involuntarily committed to treatment for schadenfreude.It's serious when so many of our leaders are obviously ill and with an illness that makes them a danger to others.
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Comment #50 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 19:59:17 PT
Schadenfreude
Schadenfreude, a term used in psychology, basically boils down to fear of being found inferior to those they like to think they are superior to, so they find pleasure in persecuting them. Is that what it means?It says that people afflicted with it don't have it has bad towards those that they might accept as legitimately superior.Is that right?It really does sound like what the prohibitionists have. I knew it! They are caught up in a form of insanity!
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Comment #49 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 19:47:59 PT
Jose
I was thinking something like maybe, psychotic paranoid bigotry with apparent delusions of superiority.Schadenfreude. Fascinating.
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Comment #48 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 19:43:15 PT
Schadenfreude!
So there is a name already for the obsessive and unreasonable hatred and fear the prohibitionists exhibit. Amazing. I'm glad you found that. It will take a while before I get anywhere near understanding it, but I knew it had to be some sort of recognizable psychological departure from sanity. Thank you!
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Comment #47 posted by Jose Melendez on May 23, 2005 at 19:18:21 PT
Prohibitionists: Addicted, crooks, or both?
Re: "The scientific community needs to do some studies to find out why so many ostensibly sane people, including many of their own, are so obsessed with prohibition. We, seriously, need to understand their obsession. It’s obviously a very dangerous and prevalent disorder and it’s obviously a disorder."
- Hope, in comment #22 - - -Found it!Schadenfreude:from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12757139&dopt=Abstract Malicious pleasure: schadenfreude at the suffering of another group.Leach CW, Spears R, Branscombe NR, Doosje B.Department of Psychology, University of California, Santa Cruz 95064, USA. cwleach ucsc.eduTwo studies examined intergroup schadenfreude--malicious pleasure at an out-group's misfortune. Study 1 showed that schadenfreude regarding a German loss in soccer was increased by interest in soccer and threats of Dutch inferiority. The effect of inferiority threat was especially strong for participants less interested in soccer; the more interested showed relatively high schadenfreude. Study 2 replicated these effects by showing a similar pattern of schadenfreude regarding losses by Germany and Italy in another setting. However, schadenfreude toward legitimately superior Italy was lower when a norm of honest and direct expression was made salient to participants lower in soccer interest. These results establish schadenfreude as an emotion that is moderated by the salient dimensions of particular intergroup relations. - - - Hence:Harry Anslinger:http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/murd3.htmNewt Gingrich:http://www.ndsn.org/oct95/gingrich.htmland James Sensenbrennerhttp://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/18/173854.php - - -Habitual prohibitionists use the time honored and profitable tradition of painting cannabis users as rapists and murderers, even as they endorse genocide and prison rape:http://www.spr.org/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050523/ap_on_re_us/sex_offenders_viagra&printer=1 " . . . audits from 2000 through March found that 198 sex offenders in New York received Medicaid-reimbursed Viagra after their convictions. Their crimes included offenses against children as young as 2 . . ." December 9, 2004CAN MONEY IN POLITICS KILL YOU?Can money in politics kill you? Just ask one
of the millions of people who took Vioxx to treat their arthritis
pain, thinking it was safe, and who must now be wondering if
they’ve unknowingly cut years from their lives.Six months ago, in our book “Is
That a Politician in Your Pocket? Washington on $2 Million
a Day,” we wrote, in answer to the question:“A look at what has happened at the Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) ever since the pharmaceutical industry started pushing
to loosen the agency’s process for reviewing the safety
of new drugs suggests the answer is yes.”In our chapter on drug safety, we documented how pressure throughout
the 1990s from the drugmakers—powered by tens of millions
in targeted campaign contributions and hundreds of lobbyists—led
the FDA to approve twice as many new medications in half the
time they used to take, allowing several deadly drugs onto the
market where they have since been linked to the deaths of over 1,000 patients.But the carnage caused by the arthritis drug Vioxx, which was
recently withdrawn by Merck, after it was shown to cause severe
cardiovascular risks, makes all these previous incidents pale
in comparison.According to David Graham, the associate director of the FDA’s
office of drug safety, between 88,000 and 139,000 Americans probably
experienced heart attacks or strokes after taking Vioxx, and
30 to 40 percent probably died.
That’s anywhere between 26,400 and 55,600 people whose
lives were prematurely ended. Even if Graham’s estimate
exaggerates the drug’s deadly effects by a factor of ten, that’s still a death toll that matches or exceeds those
killed on September 11, 2001.
Used by approximately 2 million people worldwide, Vioxx generated
$2.5 BILLION* a year in sales for Merck.http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_us&refer=&sid=anvrTAdDIXrUfrom: http://zombienotes.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_zombienotes_archive.htmlMs. Ariana Huffington joins the fray:Merck's actions throughout the entire Vioxx affair have been utterly despicable. When the company pulled the drug off the market in September, CEO Raymond Gilmartin claimed that the scientific findings that led to the withdrawal were "unexpected." This is like releasing a ravenous wolf into a pen full of sheep, then acting surprised that lamb chops are on the menu. Recently uncovered internal Merck documents show that, as far back as 1998 (a year before the drug was even approved by the FDA) the drug giant had evidence indicating that Vioxx was a potential killer.But instead of going back to the drawing board, the company made the heart-stopping decision to push ahead - using every weapon in its well-funded arsenal to put off regulators, rope in consumers and keep the bad news from surfacing. They did a masterful job, turning Vioxx into a commercial elixir: Last year alone, sales of the drug totaled $2.5 BILLION.* It was a huge success. Unless you were one of the people who had to be sacrificed for it. - - - All this, with dozens, perhaps hundreds of millions worth of advertising assistance consistently including FALSE CLAIMS, ads originally ultimately underwritten by tobacco corporations, now by pharmaceutical giants, with the appearance of (under color of?) authority thanks to PDFA and ONDCP. Should Merck be allowed to advertise on, say, public radio alongside ONDCP without disclosing that they also look the other way as a war is against us on the grounds that their products are safer??An interesting view of the extent of these conflicts of interest may be seen here:http://criticalmoment.org/juneaugust2004/articles/huynh.html"For years, District Attorney Harry Connick of Orleans Parish, Louisiana has been a major (some might say overzealous) proponent of drug testing in schools. He has promoted in particular a method of hair testing that only one company, Psychemedics, is able to perform. Connick helped many schools receive grant money to cover testing from Psychemedics. Connick retired in January of 2003 and, later that year, was appointed to the board of Psychemedics, with an annual stipend and stock options. He contends that there was no conflict of interest when he was serving as D.A. and pushing Psychemedics; critics disagree." more here: http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Pringle/BushShouldPay.htm - - -* emphasis added -jm
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Comment #46 posted by Toker00 on May 23, 2005 at 19:11:50 PT
The GCW
I visited biblegateway and tried to sincerely ask them questions about Cannabis, and they wouldn't even take my questions. Have you asked them anything about Cannabis? Just curious if they censor.Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #45 posted by BGreen on May 23, 2005 at 18:51:23 PT
You're Welcome, Hope
It's better to clear the cache when the page isn't loaded because it seems that the page will sometimes reload itself in the cache after you've cleared it.Clearing the cache and then loading the page will get you a fresh copy.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 18:40:16 PT
Whew!
Thanks, BGreen!I brought up three windows, went to tools, then options then cleared the cache on all three windows. Cleared the thunder out it for good measure! It seems to be ok now. Even the crazy page.Thank you, so much.I'm going to restart for good measure after the virus scan finishes.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 18:32:25 PT
BGreen
I came back to this page from another site, the things were here. I did what you said. They disappeared. Then I went to the crazy page. They weren't there at first but then like they loaded last thing and I came back here and they were here again, too!I'll do it again.
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Comment #42 posted by BGreen on May 23, 2005 at 18:24:16 PT
Hope
Go to Tools in your Firefox menu and click on Options at the bottom of the list.Click on Privacy and scroll to the very bottom to Cache and press Clear.Go to the "crazy" page again and see if there's any change.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 18:11:58 PT
They aren't on any other sites I visit
but they are still at http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20711.shtml#33when I check it.I'm sure that I saw some of them earlier today at an article from Google news. Strange that only my computer is seeing them. I hope it's not bad.
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 18:05:16 PT
Hope
I haven't seen them often on CNews but I have seen them in some articles in apostrophes and quotations. I thought it was a code thing but maybe someone will say more because I don't know what causes it.
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 18:02:45 PT
Now they're not...
after I posted that last comment.
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 18:01:26 PT
The article is covered in them right now
There's one in every place there should be an apostrophe or quotation marks.I have McCaffee and it's on...I'm running an extra scan right now.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 17:58:28 PT
Hope
I don't see it when I look at the thread. I have seen that thing in news articles before though and I change it if I catch it.
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 17:54:36 PT
especially in ddunn's post at
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20711.shtml#33What is it?
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 17:49:44 PT
Here's one that still showing on that thread
cannabis caf�s.
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 17:48:06 PT
First noticed them here
in the recent comment posting of FoM's comment on this thread and throughout it. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20711.shtml#33Then they showed up in others.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 17:46:10 PT
They're gone now!
What could that be about?
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 17:44:54 PT
A question
Has anyone else had little question marks in diagonal squares suddenly appear in this article and in various places throughout the thread?These marks appeared earlier in an article from Google. Have I picked up a virus of some kind from somewhere?They're all over this thread, too. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20711.shtml#33
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 16:27:37 PT
I Might As Well Say What I Believe
I believe this is all meant to happen. I don't know how much control we have over it. It's like a snowball rolling down a hill. It grows and goes faster as it goes down the hill. I do believe that the pre trib people will have a rude awakening when they have to go thru hell on earth along with everyone else.
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Comment #30 posted by Toker00 on May 23, 2005 at 16:26:44 PT
Mayan
I completely understand and have embraced this as a possibility also. As a matter of fact, it would make perfectly good sense of what Bush said about not being worried much about him. Why worry? He's dead.Thanks for the link.Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #29 posted by Toker00 on May 23, 2005 at 16:14:04 PT
The Easy Slide into Fascism.
I copied this and I post it here as a warning, and because it is relavent to what the War on Drugs and the War on Terror are doing to America.All this emphasis on nationalism, the militarization of society, identifying The Leader as the nation, a constant state of fear and anxiety heightened by the authorities, repressive laws that shred constitutional guarantees of due process, wars of aggression launched on weaker nations, the desire to assume global hegemony, the merging of corporate and governmental interests, vast mass-media propaganda campaigns, a populace that tends to believe the slogans and lies it's fed without asking too many questions, a timid opposition that barely contests the administration's reckless adventurism abroad and police-state policies at home, etc. etc.*The parallels are not exact, of course; America in 2005 and Germany seventy two years earlier are not the same, and Bush certainly is not Adolf Hitler. But there are enough disquieting similarities in the two periods at least to see what we can learn -- cautionary tales, as it were -- and then figure out what to do with our knowledge.*Let's all do Something. Anything. (Toker00 forces back a tear.)Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #28 posted by mayan on May 23, 2005 at 16:10:42 PT
"OK"
The Bush administration, Souder says, is doing OK on treatment and trying to stop international production (think Colombia and Afghanistan.)Columbia is sprayed with poisons and coca production just shifts to other areas. The supply is not affected but many Columbians needlessly suffer. Afghanistan once again leads the world in opium production. Yeah, the Bush administration sure is doing "OK". Modern day Pharisees such as Souder try to look moral, act moral and talk a mean game but on the inside they are completely rotten. It's a shame that so many are fooled by these self righteous hypocrites.Toker00, Bib Laden is likelay dead. His image is propped up to advance the "war in terror"...Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 15:00:41 PT
Toker00
I'm not at all shocked by what you are saying. I have strong feelings about this subject too. I always believed somehow we were the good guys. I don't think that anymore. I remember we were taught to fear Russia because they wanted to take over the world. Kind of ironic to me.
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Comment #26 posted by Toker00 on May 23, 2005 at 14:50:49 PT
FoM, you are exactly right.
There has been a frantic rush the last decade or so to gain control of land that bares oil. Afghanistan would not let America do what Russia wanted to do, which is run a pipeline across their country so it would be easier to move the oil. And thanks to the military weapons support from the U.S.,they defeated Russia. (Or financially broke them) The Clinton administration threatened them with a carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs. If indeed Ben Laden or his ilk planned and initiated 9-11,(which is highly unlikely without some cooperation in very high places in our government), this could be the reason. Personally, I think Ben Laden is not in hiding, but rather is being hidden by sinister people, and surfaces only occassionally to reinforce the fear of Terrorism. I am not afraid of "Islamic Terrorists". I'll tell you why. They are fighting against the same evil force we are. They truly believe in their God. Why else would someone blow themselves up in the name of fighting Evil? We have seen only what the government wanted us to see, for generations. They, however, have been objectively observing and becoming victims of this force. What force? The Elite Minority. NWO if you will. For generations they have passed this World Domination quest down to their families.(It is well documented that they were exposed in the 'thirties. Some changed their name to their mothers maiden name out of shame of exposure) People in their employ have been rewarded beyond imagination for helping to initiate their plan. Oil is getting scarce, and there are way to many people on the planet for them to share the oil with. Oil runs the economy that keeps them in power. You really think they will let it run out? Me either. Indeed, they ARE in Fear of Losing Control.Many people don't believe this story because it is so sinister and fantastic. That is what they have counted on. But I am afraid it is true. Why else would Jesus warn us against a World Government?Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #25 posted by global_warming on May 23, 2005 at 14:48:23 PT
Lets not forget
Senseless Sensenbrenner
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Comment #24 posted by dididadadidit on May 23, 2005 at 10:58:56 PT
SenselessSouder
SenselessSouder and SenselessBrainer. Cut from the same cloth, just rethugnicans from different states, Indiana and Wisconsin.Cheers?
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 10:58:14 PT
Fear
Hope, I believe it's fear of losing control. Think of how many people we have in America now. Those in power are scared they won't be able to control the masses. Keep us down and kick us now and then and we'll go away for awhile and lick our wounds. The problem is when you kick people long enough while they are trying to heal their wounds anger builds. Silent anger and that is something our leaders should fear.
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on May 23, 2005 at 10:49:58 PT
A call for research.
The scientific community needs to do some studies to find out why so many ostensibly sane people, including many of their own, are so obsessed with prohibition. We, seriously, need to understand their obsession. It’s obviously a very dangerous and prevalent disorder and it’s obviously a disorder.To pour billions of dollars into an obsessive plan that destroys lives, families, eco-systems, entire countries and communities over the use of God given plants has to qualify has some sort of extraordinary mental aberration.A worried young man, who had been dragged through the system, and had indeed, had to learn to protect himself from physical and mental rape in the system, told me, concerning drug law enforcement, “Don’t ever doubt that they’re crazy.” While he couldn’t imagine taking another’s life over marijuana, he said that there were, indeed, those who would kill or be willing to get killed to keep him or anyone else from possessing or using said plant.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on May 23, 2005 at 10:06:57 PT
Sort of Off Topic
I had to turn the TV News off. Sometimes it is just too much to take for me. I don't like the way the news only shows really bad things but nothing really ever uplifting. In Canada on News World Internationl I have seen good news stories but not here in the states. If the news on tv doesn't change soon and get real this old world is going to explode in violence like we've never seen it before in my opinion.I turned off the news and put the DVD of Simon and Garfunkels Concert in Cental Park from many years ago and it's done wonders for my mood. We need to guard ourselves from what will hurt us sometimes.
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Comment #20 posted by jose melendez on May 23, 2005 at 05:36:55 PT
Souderized
from: http://www.ingrouponline.com/sampleissues/sampleleg.htm IN Federal Circles . . .
• An interesting paper recently presented by two Emory University
political science professors concludes that since 1994, Republican party leaders in the
U.S. House of Representatives are engaging in a "proactive electoral assistance
strategy in which marginal freshman are placed on exclusive committees which attract more
contributions." The top five cash cow committees are Ways and Means; Energy and
Commerce; Rules; Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs; and Budget. The bottom five are
Education and Labor; Foreign Affairs; Judiciary; Standards of Official Conduct; and Post
Office and Civil Service.
¨ We ranked the panels from 1 (Ways and Means) to 22 (Ed & Labor), and looked
where Hoosier GOPers elected in 1994 and 1996 ranked. The lower the total score of
committees on which a member serves, the more PAC cash would theoretically be directed
their way. Committees on which U.S. Reps. David McIntosh (R) and Mark Souder
(R) serve have a total of 53 points, while U.S. Rep. Steve Buyer (R) grades out at
51 points. They are, of course, fairly well-ensconced in their respective seats. from: 7/15/04 -- Major pharmaceutical companyAbbott Laboratories recently came under fire from an anti-drug group and U.S. Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) for awarding a grant to a pro-drug legalization organization. In 2003, Abbott gave $17,000 to the Harm Reduction Coalition (HRC). HRC believes that "illicit drug use is part of our world and chooses to minimize its harmful effects rather than…condemn them." Abbott was also listed as a sponsor of HRC’s 5th National Harm Reduction Conference, to be held in New Orleans next November. But in response to criticism by the Drug Free America Foundation, Abbott said it was incorrectly listed as a sponsor and told HRC to remove its name as a conference sponsor. For a description of Abbott Laboratories Fund click:http://www.accessphilanthropy.com/funderinnews.php?funderID=424see also: Students Give Souder an "F"http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/226/soudersquad.shtmlWho gave, and why:http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/can_give/H4IN04099
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Comment #19 posted by jose melendez on May 23, 2005 at 05:16:27 PT
What about the sin of fraud?
Flip Flop "News" article acts as pharmaceutical press release:http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n830/a08.html?397The truth:http://www.rxsolutions.com/b/rxnews/rxnews_view.asp?Article=523&type=20 AccompliaTM (Sanofi-Aventis)
According to the World Health Organization, approximately 1 billion people around the world are overweight or obese (greater than 20% over their ideal body weight). In the U.S. about 130 million people are obese. Obesity not only directly leads to mortality, but also poses a major risk for chronic diseases such as diabetes, hypertension, stroke, and some forms of cancer. AccompliaTM provides a new approach to treating obesity by centrally blocking brain signals that control cravings and suppresses the urge for patients to overeat. Accomplia is the first drug of its kind to block cannabinoid receptors in the brain and in fat cells. Aside from being just a weight-loss drug, studies show it also improves other cardiovascular risk factors such as triglycerides, HDL, insulin tolerance and smoking cessation. In recent clinical trials, patients maintained a weight loss of 19 pounds over the first year along with the aforementioned risk factor improvements.1 Continuing patients randomized to placebo in year 2, however, regained almost all the weight lost during the first year.1 Uncertainties remain about side effects, particularly nausea and, possibly, depression.1 Although the drug won’t be approved until 2006, industry analysts already project peak global sales of $4 billion by 2010.Cannabinoid blockers may benefit boneshttp://www.pjonline.com/Editorial/20040612/news/p733benefitbones.htmlDrugs that block cannabinoid receptors may represent a “promising” new treatment for osteoporosis and other bone diseases, according to Aymen Idris, of the bone research group at Aberdeen University.
Speaking at the European Calcified Tissue Society meeting in Nice on
7 June, he explained that cannabinoid receptor antagonists had potent
inhibitory effects on osteoclasts — cells which cause bone destruction
and progressive loss of bone tissue in osteoporosis.
His research group had looked at cannabinoid receptor blockers in bone
marrow cultures. Early experiments had shown more potent effects in inhibiting
osteoclast formation and bone resorption than with a bisphosphonate.
Further studies showed that the drugs were also effective at preventing
bone loss in mice whose ovaries had been removed. “There is a lot
of work still to do before we try these drugs in patients with osteoporosis,
but I think there is a real prospect of this happening (snipped)Pharmaceutical industry and "science", in Hawaii!http://www.nof.org/events/symposia/HI_program.htmAnyone up for some golf with that conflict of interest? Bet there was an open bar . . .- - -Key words for this fraud alert: Novartis, Ralston, cannabinoids
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Comment #18 posted by BGreen on May 23, 2005 at 05:11:47 PT
Where in the CONSTITUTION is SIN OUTLAWED?
It seems to me that a congressman who uses the religious concept of a sin to take away the freedom of someone for cannabis, which was condoned but never condemned by the Bible, and even if that person doesn't believe in this religious concept of sin, needs to be removed and jailed for violating the LITERAL WORDING OF THE CONSTITUTION. The ridiculous notion of passing laws based on one MAN'S idea of what constitutes "sin" is fanatical religious extremism and is dangerous to our liberty.What if I give souder this one and agree that cannabis possession and use IS a sin?Guilty as charged.But, according to Jesus Christ and the Apostles Paul and James, God is the ONLY one who can and should judge people for their sins, and I can't find Mark Souder's name in ANY TRANSLATION! 1 CORINTHIANS 4:3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. [4] My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. [5] Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.JAMES 4:11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. [12] There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?What did Jesus Christ have to say? MATTHEW 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. [2] For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.[3] "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [4] How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? [5] You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eyeJOHN 12:47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. [48] There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. [49] For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.Amen.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #17 posted by kaptinemo on May 23, 2005 at 04:50:21 PT:
A possible reason for all this
If Mr. Souder wants to talk about sin, why not talk about the sin of pride? Mr. Souder is exhibiting the sin of pride, in thinking he has THE answer that he will seek to ram down the throats of all others.When fanatics become frustrated with their less than enthusiatic peers, they often become so agitated that they let slip their true motivations. And prejuduces all too often *comprise* the majority of their motivations. Mr. Souder has just done so...and crossed several political lines he never should have. He's openly injecting his religion into the business of the nation. However he may claim to be compartmentalizing his work, he has been using his religious zeal as justification for his actions. And now he has all but admitted it. He may think it is politically safe to do so now, but there will be an eventual backlash against this, even by those who may support his work, but not the use of his faith to implement it. Mr. Souder has revealed his fanaticism, and it's source. If he wants to preach, let him step down and become a churchman. But this country doesn't need the likes of Souder using his religious bigotries as a basis to craft laws. Laws are supposed to based upon facts, not what someone's twisted view of Christianity might be.
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Comment #16 posted by Jose Melendez on May 23, 2005 at 04:25:26 PT
The third C-people: crooked cops.
Blue Wall of Corruption - why good cops turn a blind eye to drug war crimes:http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n828/a07.html?397
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Comment #15 posted by Toker00 on May 23, 2005 at 03:47:41 PT
The GCW
Thank you so much for your clarification of the two "C" people. Looks like Cannabists fall in the catagory of "obedient Christians" and prohibitionists fall in the catagory of "disobedient Christians". This would be clear,even to an athiest. To be a Christian, you must allow the Holy Spirit to convict you. In order to "know" when this happens, you must have a conscience and your heart has to be opened to the truth. When the feeling comes over you that makes you aware something you are doing is wrong, this is the Holy Spirit convicting you and the result is a feeling of guilt. If you deny this guilt, you deny the Holy Spirit, without which the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, cannot exist in you. You have to make an effort to be Christ Like, not just claim the title of Christian. Imagine the enormous guilt this man will feel when he is "convicted" by the truth. The two paragraphs Souder uses to demonize Cannabis have no effect of guilt on me, because his words contain no truth, only biased conjecture and disobedience to God.OK. I am done Preaching.Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #14 posted by The GCW on May 22, 2005 at 19:37:24 PT
Speaking of Souder, Souder: an excelent example.
Speaking of Souder,Cannabis Culture came out with:Word power for pot by Christine Trudeau (20 May, 2005) The pen is mightier than the sword
Cannabis Culture magazine and website readers are asking for tips on how to write persuasive political letters and emails that help the cause of freedom. This article is a guide for using the power of words to persuade and influence. I'll be using real-life situations to demonstrate different types of writing useful for cannabis lobbyists.The first letter is intended as a response to legislation introduced by anti-cannabis Republican member of the US House of Representatives Mark Souder; it's called the "Safe and Effective Drug Act." The proposed law funds a biased study of marijuana designed to produce negative findings that can be used by Souder to criticize medical cannabis.In most cases, when you are writing about legislation, it is useful to find out the official code number assigned to the legislation. If the legislation is titled, such as Souder's, it is not as necessary to use the official code number.Before you write to a politician or other official, study their website, professional biography, media coverage and achievements so you can discern their personality and political record. This information allows you to tailor your message so the recipient knows you are familiar with what they believe, and helps you establish common ground.Most lawmaker's websites contain huge amounts of information about their legislative actions. Souder's site contains the following statement made by him about marijuana:"I am strongly opposed to efforts to legalize marijuana. Marijuana is addictive, it adversely affects the immune system, and leads to the use of other drugs, such as cocaine. Marijuana also causes cancer, including cancer of the lungs, mouth, throat, lips, and tongue; respiratory diseases and mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and other psychoses, depression, panic attacks, hallucinations, paranoia, hostility, depersonalization, flashbacks, decreased cognitive performance, disconnected thought, delusions and impaired memory. Since marijuana impairs coordination and judgment, it is a major cause of accidents. Babies born to women who smoke marijuana during pregnancy have an increased incidence of leukemia, low birth weight, and other abnormalities. Despite these effects, legalization advocates often promote medical use as a legitimate reason for the legalization of marijuana. This argument, however, is simply a red herring for the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. Studies have continually rejected the notion that marijuana is suitable for medical use because it adversely impacts concentration and memory, the lungs, motor coordination and the immune system."Wow, Souder really seems like the reincarnation of America's first drug czar, Harry Anslinger. You and I know Souder's statement is full of hysterical reefer madness propaganda and outright lies, but when we write letters to Souder, we don't want to offend him by directly attacking him. Instead, we want to co-opt him by repeating his mistaken beliefs back to him in such a way as to achieve our goals. This brings up another key point: before you write, figure out what you want to say and how you want to say it. What is your goal in communicating? What action do you want the person who receives your letter to do? What change in their thinking do you want to achieve?In the case of Souder's legislation, you would want him to withdraw his proposed law, or alter it so it mandates a fair, scientific review of all marijuana research, rather than a biased review, as he has currently configured it.Approach politicians and other public officials with full realization that they have massive egos, lots of power, and very little sincere interest in your opinions. This might make it seem futile to even communicate; indeed some marijuana advocates refuse to communicate with politicians because they suspect that politicians will refer the letter to law enforcement.
cont.http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4358.html
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Comment #13 posted by The GCW on May 22, 2005 at 18:16:27 PT
There are 2 kinds of Christians.
Since Souder used the "C" word,,,There are 2 kinds of Christians.Those who obey Jesus Christ's request to love one another and those who do no obey His request to love one another.1 kind = obedient Christian1 kind = disobedient ChristianSouder, does not love one another and We do not condemn Him; He condemns Himself; He is the "self-condemned" having the "deluding influence," which is what people receive when they do not receive the spirit of truth. Love one another-receive the "spirit of truth," see John 14-16 & 1 John. The self-condemned is described in Titus 3:11 etc... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=63&chapter=3&version=49The "deluding influence is in 2 Thessalonians 2:11... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=60&chapter=2&version=49Souder who has condemned Himself, does not have the spirit of truth. He has exposed Himself to Us; but the majority of people have the deluding influence and can not see the truth.They are like zombies, in Biblical terms.We must learn to control them like a spiritual plague that they are.They are a plague to Our culture.To in a loving way stop their evil from poluting any longer; like a spiritual misquito.They are not just terrorists, physically, but in spiritual terms they are terrorists;Not just to Me and C-News, but to Christ God Our Father,The Ecologician.Further, it seems as though there are only 2 kinds of poeple.The Green Collar Worker
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Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on May 22, 2005 at 16:41:43 PT
That"s very nice.
Some day, Global_warming, some day...I hope we all hang together, but not at the end of a rope!! LOL!Love you guys and girls!Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on May 22, 2005 at 14:34:08 PT
Cultural Extermination
I think of the war on cannabis as a way to exterminate a culture they don't like.
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Comment #10 posted by global_warming on May 22, 2005 at 14:31:05 PT
re:9
would would love to hang with u rootoker..
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Comment #9 posted by Toker00 on May 22, 2005 at 14:10:28 PT
Cannabis
I like to think of the Right Wing as the Wrong Wing. They are the wing of the Self-Righteous who throw God's name around like they own it, but make judgements based on the knowledge and laws of man and not the wisdom and mercy of God. This is why God told us that man cannot govern himself, and should seek the wisdom of God, in the dispensing of judgement. Do you think millions of people thown in jail for using a plant is wise? Is that Judgement with Mercy? No. But it seems to make perfect sense when your realize their Real Responsibility is assuring no competition to the Corpses from Cannabis.Can you all believe the sudden Disinterest in the dangers caused by booze and hard drugs (Addictions Treatable by a Safe Alternative called Cannabis)and the sudden histeria over this plant, only? I think they are cutting funds to the War on Drugs, because they are concentrating the cheaper and easier target, Cannabis. But they are not locking up the plant. They are locking up the Cannabists. I use that word because I can't use the word Jew. But I can use the word Genocide. Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #8 posted by afterburner on May 22, 2005 at 12:10:27 PT
Hear! Hear! Toker00
I will stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone helping to ease suffering by supporting the blessed herb, or seeking greater rapport with the Creator and His creatures and His creation, or just looking for a safer stress-reducer.
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Comment #7 posted by Shishaldin on May 22, 2005 at 12:06:51 PT
Toker00
CORPORATITION! Now, that's funny! Too bad the man who so deserves the label is not...
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on May 22, 2005 at 12:03:34 PT
Toker00
Right Wing Christians seem to feel they are on a mission to clean up Amercia or something like that. Cleaning up Amercia is really a personal idea of what a good America should be. Religion and politics don't mixed and they shouldn't be together.
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Comment #5 posted by Toker00 on May 22, 2005 at 11:55:11 PT
FoM
This false claim: “I, as a Christian, believe the source of the problem is sin,”...This desturbs me greatly when they Deny God's gift, and demonize those who freely choose to accept it. I'm telling ya. This is a Corporatician rapped in the guise of a Christian. Sorry, but to qualify as a Christian, you have to be "Christ-Like". There is nothing Christ-Like in withholding compassion and inserting the life shattering "Justice" of prison. Or forced Rehab. to falsify addiction statistics against Cannabists. Do not bear false witness. (That may be used out of context, as I am not a walking Bible reference source.)Real Christians and Real Americans need to start standing up to the liars in our Government. Many people are suffering unjustly because we are not changing the laws. Please. Let's gather and stand against injustice and tyranny. Not to inflict pain and violence on our enemy, for that is what we strive to end, but to help them understand that the enemy is not us, the enemy are the lies.Peace. Legalize, then Revolutionize!(medicine)(energy)(nutrition)
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on May 22, 2005 at 10:36:16 PT
What Would Jesus Do?
Jesus didn't condemn anyone except pompous religious people but He reached out to those who needed help. Jesus said to visit those in prison. He never taught to put people in prison. Mr. Souder needs a serious spirtual re-treat so he can get his head screwed on straight in my opinion.Thanks Hope!
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Comment #3 posted by Hope on May 22, 2005 at 10:28:50 PT
Observer and FoM...Right on!...every word.
To compare drug use and especially cannabis use to rape and assault is a form of attempted intellectual rape. There are few so blind that they could not choose between letting their neighbor smoke a joint or experiencing the terror of physical rape and not know the difference.
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Comment #2 posted by observer on May 22, 2005 at 10:02:35 PT
Various Standards of Righteousness
I, as a Christian, believe the source problem is sin,” he said in a speech on the floor of the House. “You do not get rid of sin. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests sin is going to disappear. If you want to call it something else that is a struggle when you start to get addicted to an illegal substance, fine, call it that;
Prohibitionists (like Souder) have always characterized themselves as being in a moral/religious battle against evil. (smoking pot "is sin") This quality of the prohibitionist movements eliminated the option of compromise. The choice as they saw and presented it was total prohibition or total access to the hated drugs. It was not that other methods of controlling use did not exist or would not work; it was the idea that all usage was sinful and must be stopped. ("the source problem is sin") Like an ongoing morality play, this same issue gets played out-repeatedly today with a new cast of characters.
http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pg/propaganda/theme7.htm#7
but it is basically do not ask me why we cannot get rid of drug use in the United States and not ask the same question about rape, spouse abuse and child abuse and other things we struggle with. We never get rid of them.Typical prohibitionist lies. Try to confuse them by saying smoking pot is like rape, murder or violence. Reality to Souder: Rape, and murder have always been illegal. Government worshippers like Souder want you to believe that their government is God. What decrees that their corrupted government makes, they want you to believe are edicts from God, just as commandments in the Bible. Fat chance. Souder and his ilk are flesh and not spirit. The words of Souder are not the words of God, and so, Souder can shove it. Making crimes out of things that were not crimes, and then attempting to re-write history won't fool most people. Notice that Souder doesn't suggest that people who murder or steal or commit adultery should be subjected to the ever-increasing punishments pot smokers ("sin") should be subjected to. No, Souder in his infinite Christian wisdom, he knows that cannabis-taking (a "sin" never mentioned in Souder's Bible) should be be punished ever more harshly, while adulterers (a sin that is explicitly mentioned in his Bible) are let off. See how that works? Multiple standards. Souder's corrupted government and their camp-follower media has defined taking cannabis as "sin", but the Bible never says such. Well warned we were of men like Souder when the Nazarene said, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer."
http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/pot
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on May 22, 2005 at 09:25:00 PT
A Comment on This Part of The Article
Souder said: Souder says it’s wrong-headed to focus almost exclusively on treatment and interdiction.“I, as a Christian, believe the source problem is sin,” he said in a speech on the floor of the House. ***My Thoughts: Mark Souder believes drug use is a sin. That's ok with me if he wants to look at it that way but the big but is this. Not everyone believes in the God he serves so why should a politician have the right to persecute people who don't share his religious belief?Remember Mr. Souder hating your brother is a sin too.
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