cannabisnews.com: NORML's Weekly News Bulletin -- December 16, 2004
NORML's Weekly News Bulletin -- December 16, 2004
Posted by CN Staff on December 16, 2004 at 18:26:54 PT
Weekly Press Release
Source: NORML
Alaska DA To Challenge 1975 Court Decision Protecting Pot Possession By AdultsDecember 16, 2004 - Anchorage, AL, USAAnchorage, AK: The district attorney for the city of Anchorage, at the behest of Gov. Frank Murkowski, is requesting a judge to re-examine a 1975 Alaska Supreme Court ruling (Ravin v. State) which determined that the possession of marijuana by adults within the home is a constitutionally protected activity.
The request comes three months after the Alaska Supreme Court denied a petition by the state attorney general's office to reconsider a 2003 Court of Appeals ruling upholding the 1975 case.As a result of the Ravin decision, adults may legally possess up to four ounces of marijuana in the privacy of their own home.State officials are alleging that marijuana today is more dangerous than it was perceived to be at the time of the Ravin decision, and that these harms are sufficient to override Alaska's constitutional right to privacy. Officials said that they envision the legislature to hold hearings on the issue this spring.The state appeals courts have acknowledged that they would be "willing to consider Ravin if presented with compelling new evidence that small amounts of marijuana are harmful," according to a report this week in the Anchorage Daily News.For more information, please contact Keith Stroup, Executive Director of NORML, at (202) 483-5500.DL: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6375DA Asks Judge To Look at Issue of MJ Possessionhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20038.shtmlVoters Overwhelmingly Reject Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19764.shtmlDEA Rejects University's Bid To Grow Medical Cannabis For Clinical ResearchDecember 16, 2004 - Washington, DC, USAWashington, DC: The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) on Friday rejected an application to establish a private medicinal cannabis production facility at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.The application - filed in 2001 by Lyle Craker, director of the UMass-Amherst Medicinal Plant Program - requested permission to cultivate cannabis for FDA-approved research. Presently, all federally approved research on marijuana must utilize cannabis grown and supplied by the US National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). The UMass-Amherst proposal sought to provide researchers with an alternative, independent source of cannabis for FDA-approved clinical trials. In recent years, several US researchers have complained that the low quality of NIDA-grown marijuana is insufficient to use in clinical trials evaluating cannabis' therapeutic potential.In its rejection of Craker's application, the DEA said that the establishment of such a production facility "would not be consistent with public interest," adding that it was "reasonable" to limit the drug's supply because marijuana is "the most heavily abused of all Schedule I controlled substances," and that NIDA's crop was of "sufficient quality" to meet researchers' present needs.The agency further noted that it would discourage research investigating the medical utility of smoked cannabis, stating, "Smoked marijuana ... ultimately cannot be the permitted delivery system for any potential marijuana medication due to the deleterious effects and the difficulty monitoring the efficaciousness of smoked marijuana."In a prepared statement, Craker who along with NORML Board Members Rick Doblin and Valerie Corral-Leveroni filed suit in July demanding the DEA to respond to his research application said: "I am disappointed that the DEA seems to have decided that marijuana cannot be a medicine before the research has even taken place. We intend to appeal this decision and will keep trying to pursue vitally important research on [the] medical uses of marijuana."Craker has 30 days to appeal the DEA's decision.Presently, a handful of clinical trials investigating the therapeutic potential of inhaled cannabis are ongoing at the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research (CMCR) in California. Those studies all use NIDA-supplied marijuana.For more information, please contact either Allen St. Pierre, Executive Director of the NORML Foundation, at (202) 483-5500 or Rick Doblin, Executive Director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), at (617) 484-8711.DL: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6374DEA Ruling Renders Approval Impossiblehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20037.shtmlUp In Smoke: A Setback for Medical Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20035.shtmlU.S. Puts Brake on 'Pot' Studieshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20034.shtmlNo Room To Growhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20033.shtml Marijuana May Play Role In Treating Neurological Disorders, Study SaysDecember 16, 2004 - Seattle, WA, USASeattle, WA: Active ingredients in cannabis provide therapeutic properties that may be clinically useful in the treatment of neurologic disorders, according to a review published in the journal Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Clinics of North America.Researchers at the University of Washington School of Medicine determined: "Cannabinoids have the capacity for neuromodulation through direct, receptor-based mechanisms at many levels within the nervous system, providing therapeutic properties that may be applicable to the treatment of neurologic disorders. These include antioxidation, neuroprotection, analgesia, anti-inflammation, immunomodulation, modulation of glial cells, and tumor growth regulation.Full text of the study appears in the November issue of the journal.For more information, please contact Paul Armentano, NORML Senior Policy Analyst, at (202) 483-5500.DL: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6376CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtmlSource: NORML Foundation (DC)Published: December 16, 2004Copyright: 2004 NORML Contact: norml norml.org Website: http://www.norml.org/NORML's Weekly News Bulletin --Dec. 09, 2004http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20009.shtmlNORML's Weekly News Bulletin --Dec. 02, 2004http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19956.shtml
Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help
Comment #74 posted by Hope on December 20, 2004 at 18:16:31 PT
13th Step?
Maybe you're just away from the computer. I hope that's it. But I'm beginning to feel that you just might actually leave me stranded hoping you'll come back and join us again.*sigh*I guess I'll give up on you if you haven't posted by January 10, 2005. That will give you time to get back from any holiday vacation or trip you might have taken. After that, I guess it would just be silly of me to hope you would relent.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #73 posted by afterburner on December 20, 2004 at 07:52:44 PT
Comment #69 posted by herbdoc215
Your last line brought a tear to my eye too. God bless (G --. B -... ). I'm glad you're here.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #72 posted by Hope on December 20, 2004 at 05:23:37 PT
Herbdoc, Dongenero, Siege, FoM, 13th Step
Herbdoc, blushing is healthy for your complexion! Thanks for bringing a smile back to my face. Dongenero, I loved what you said about Zell Miller and Fox. "I guess Fox is gathering all their nuts for winter."Siege, I tend to think you are right about the WWII generation in general from what I can tell. My father-in-law nearly died in France, after a terrible wound he was put in the morgue tent until someone noticed a pulse. He agrees with us about the marijuana laws. There are some who do and some who don't. A fellow activist friend of mine had to lecture...to no avail, I'm sure, a large table of gen-x ers in a restaurant we were in in Austin. We overheard them mocking medical marijuana, as it was the topic of the morning, because some of us had been asked to leave the hotel because of one of us needing to medicate. Marijuana can raise a huge odor in more ways than one. It looked like there might be a throw down...but they just gaped as we walked away. So...we are up against all ages. We can't wait on or count on a generation to die off.FoM, I know that after a loss like yours, the Holidays can make us even sadder. Yet...you are the one who has been wishing others happiness for the holidays. I, and I'm sure all of us, wish you joy and peace for the holidays and all the days in between. What you have created here, a way for all of us to stay in touch and know what's going on...well you've given us all a great gift. Thank you.13th Step?
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #71 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 23:41:40 PT
herbdoc215
You are very welcome! Stay safe and I really do wish you and Lucy the very best. My son would have been 38 ( 19th ) today. Always enjoy life. We have no idea how long we will be on this earth.Merry Christmas too! I hope I'm being politically correct saying that but if I'm not oh well! LOL!Happy Holidays for those who don't celebrate Christmas!
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #70 posted by herbdoc215 on December 19, 2004 at 23:35:38 PT
FoM, by the way I turned beet red!
:)...But as I get closer to 40 and my bald spot grows faster, I better treasure these words! ....kicks toe in dirt....thanks again for putting up with me. peace, steve tuck
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #69 posted by herbdoc215 on December 19, 2004 at 23:28:32 PT
FoM and Hope, yall done made me cry!
Sorry I took so long to reply I've been working all day?
Thank you for the kind words, I think thats the nicest thing I've read about myself in years and turned a crap day into a red-letter day :) I've made so many mistakes and feel like I owe so much to so many people who have carried me this far that I can never let myself forget them! This place has always been my shelter from the storm- even when I'm getting into trouble :) You all here at this site have lifted me up so many times I can't count...actually gave me words that held my back up walking into court when stares of officials made me feel so hated and alone! I'll never forget that either, things like that don't grow on trees and even I know that.I'm only a man who was forced to look deep inside himself during many years of traction/surgury/Fear and have no illusions left? In finding my way back from the edge it was only helping others like me that made me feel whole again. With every life, of the least of us my life touched the surity of our cause inspired me to take positions I would never have dreamed. Empathy is what changed my spiral of depression/pain/loss into a path of healing/love/compassion that I will never sell out, rent or trade for anything of this world. UNTIL we can get the rest of the world to first see us as human beings just like they are, everything else we do is merely rearranging the deck chairs upon the Titanic!13th step...no offense was meant on my part or taken, I usually have trouble making myself clear on thses points and as always my hillbilly words were not clear of my meaning. Not a defense but I had 60% brain damage in the 80's and my social skills are the worst risidual effect of my re-learning..mea culpa..please don't leave on my account! In fact after reading your last post we are both coming from a simular place on this.In closing i just want to say....damn I love you people and you are welcome to argue/correct/teach me anytime because if there is one place on the net where people have a right to question me it's here...feel free. Peace, Steve Tuck
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #68 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 22:58:11 PT
Hope
I'm sorry I didn't get back faster. The satellite went down and only now is back up and running. I know you are kidding. It's good to laugh.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #67 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 20:01:05 PT
I don't think I've mentioned this one
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12554.shtml
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #66 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 19:45:22 PT
misunderstood?
FoM...I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I wasn't being serious after you mentioned that Steve was a good looking young man. I was trying to be funny, too. I thought your post was sweet and funny. Rereading it appears as though I might be be a staid, up-tight individual, who thought women weren't supposed to say if a young man were handsome or not. Lol! I am not. Believe me. But then it could appear that I'm a dirty old lady...with my comment about "getting away" with the hugging. Once again...not a dirty old lady...just making a funny...perhaps lamely.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #65 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 18:03:02 PT
I Agree
Everyone that comments here is special. Everyone adds something unique to them. I've learned so much and hope to learn more as time goes by.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #64 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 17:53:06 PT
13th Step and Herbdoc
I know from 13th step's post that he (she?) is intelligent, compassionate, passionate, well spoken, cares about all of us and loves CNews. He is a great asset to us and our goals. Steve is definitely one of my heroes. I'm grateful to Steve for all he does and all he's been through.(FoM, the first advantage I noticed to being over forty is all the hugging of good looking young hunks I can get away with now.)
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #63 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 17:19:30 PT
Hope
I just had to say that. I wish him and Lucy good things.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #62 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 17:06:26 PT
Blush?
Yeah...bet he will.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #61 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 16:49:03 PT
A good looking young man...
Indeed he is. We might not ought to make too much of that, had we? Lucy will be packing her bags in Kentucky and trying to get back to Canada before she celebrates the holidays with her folks!I had a picture of Steve from I believe it was the NYT but it went away with my last computer.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #60 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 16:36:24 PT
Hope Steve's a Good Looking Young Man
Do you think he'll blush? LOL!http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/Tuck.jpghttp://www.freedomtoexhale.com/smk.htm
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #59 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 16:34:54 PT
more
http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=700"The other part of the program calls for HC to sell 30 seeds for C$20 to patients who can grow, or get someone to grow for them. Of course, Steve Tuck, who gave HC the seed stock gives patients seeds, and many seed merchants offer them discounts, so this is no bargain, especially since there is no indication that anyone at HC knows anything about which seeds are which. This is truly adding insult to injury as Canada is trying to send Tuck back to DEAland to be killed by the narcocracy after having taken his seeds. His original deal with them called for the cannabis to be given to the patients and to be used in research, but not sold. I hope he sues them."
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #58 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 16:28:46 PT
Some better introductions to our Herb Doc
Also known as Steve Tuck.You'll love this guy, 13th step! He's a wonderful botanist and he's stuck his neck out...and got it collared...many a time in his compassion for those who need medical cannabis.http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/234/refugees.shtmlhttp://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n1698/a01.html?108From http://www.cannabis.net/articles/drugwar-refugees.html"Steve Tuck can be found at the New Amsterdam Cafe, a Hastings Street gathering place for the free of spirit. Dark-wood booths harbor clusters of mellow young adults. Marijuana paraphernalia glistens in a glass case. The menu includes vegetarian items, with a few hemp seeds tossed in. In a back corner is a glass-walled room, as big as a VW van. Pot smokers go there to light up. Tuck is taking hits off a joint. At 36, he is a wisp of a man with a big Kentucky accent. His story unfolds like a soliloquy. He was an Army paratrooper. A jumping accident during a 1987 military exercise seriously damaged his spine. He was hospitalized for months, undergoing 13 surgeries in a decade. With that, Tuck pulls out an X-ray, right there in the smoke-filled booth, and holds it up to the light. It shows his backbone in white-on-black silhouette, the vertebra strangled by a mess of surgical metal. A doctor recommended that he try cannabis for the pain, Tuck says. He became a believer, moving to Arcata on California's north coast to cultivate pot for a medical dispensary, overseeing several indoor and outdoor "grow-ops." The Humboldt County Sheriff's drug enforcement unit concluded that Tuck was a for-profit marijuana grower. Tipped off one morning to drug agents bearing down, Tuck fled north. He bluffed his way across the border by saying he planned to do some fishing. "They're on a witch hunt," he says, "and they're burning me at the stake.""http://www.cannabis.net/articles/drugwar-refugees.htmlhttp://marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=510http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12554.shtml (this one mentions Steve's wife...the afore mentioned "Lucy".http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12554.shtmlThere's tons more at http://www.google.com/search?q=marijuana%2Bcanada%2Bmedical%2BTuck&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #57 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 15:13:16 PT
Hope
I understand. I'm sure they'll stop back in. PS: This is a really slow time because of the holidays. Heck I haven't found one article worth posting today.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #56 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 15:07:34 PT
FoM
You are probably right. I know neither of them would leave me stranded like this.This thread started with a "YIPPEE!!!". I want it to end with one.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #55 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 15:03:06 PT
Hope
Maybe they are out Christmas Shopping and haven't checked back in. It's that time of year and the last weekend before Christmas.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #54 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 14:59:34 PT
*sigh*
...
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #53 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 14:57:23 PT
my "theme song" ever since I heard it
"If I seem edgy I want you to know That I never mean to take it out on you Life has it's problems and I get my share And that's one thing I never meant to do Because I love you"
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #52 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 14:54:38 PT
"Don't let me be misunderstood"
Baby, do you understand me now
Sometimes I feel a little mad
But don't you know that no one alive
Can always be an angel
When things go wrong I seem to be badBut I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstoodBaby, sometimes I'm so carefree
With a joy that's hard to hide
And sometimes it seems that all I have do is worry
Then you're bound to see my other sideBut I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstoodIf I seem edgy I want you to know
That I never mean to take it out on you
Life has it's problems and I get my share
And that's one thing I never meant to do
Because I love youOh, Oh baby don't you know I'm human
Have thoughts like any other oneSometimes I find myself long regretting
Some foolish thing some little simple thing I've doneBut I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstoodYes, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstoodYes, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood Recorded by The Animals
written by B.Benjamin/S.Marcus/C.Cadwell
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #51 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 11:51:46 PT
waiting...waiting...waiting
I can't be free today until Herbdoc and 13th step start posting again.*sigh*
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #50 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 10:06:51 PT
spell check
I knew I should have done a spell check. Hallaleujah!...or however you spell it.Let me repeat myself...."A fine scent...a fine scent, indeed." (reference to the "bouquet" mentioned below.)
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #49 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 10:02:37 PT
GCW
You're one of the "good" shepherds. I want to thank you for that and it may be silly, but I tend to think of you as my pastor...with many assistant pastors here...and I love you all and am so grateful that you are here.We are a huge congregation. There is much love here and so much anger and hurt. The antis and prohibs are always "pricking" and stabbing us and then they "kick against the pricks" and wounds they made.And...as in any truly blessed congregation, we have all these athiests and agnostics and every kind of faith and unfaith here. I think the bouquet that we are sends a lovely fragrance to the nostrils of The One...the Great I Am, The Creator...the One that was when he said, "I AM"...That I Am. The Beginning and The End and all that is in between."Hallaleujah! Thine the Glory! Hallaleujan! Amen!"
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #48 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 09:45:39 PT
Herb Doc
Steve, I so know what you were saying. I read some of these beautiful spiritual posts, like GCW's and Afterburner's and all the rest of us and my heart is filled with love and joy and I'm thrilled to the core that I have the privilege of communicating with people here.And...sometimes I try to look at our posts like an anti or prohibitionists would. I've wondered how they can read these things and still hate us. They do though, by telling themselves that we are crazy, deluded and "stoned". They can't understand what we are saying because they have totally demonized us all in their minds. They ARE deluded. They are unable to see what we really are. We're beautiful.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #47 posted by Hope on December 19, 2004 at 09:33:01 PT
13th Step...remember that old song...
"Oh Lord, Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood"?No body is hurt. Get your tail back in here!You misunderstood Steve and he was a little surprised. I know Steve is tougher than that and you are too.Get yourself back in that chair and go to typing.I'm just crazy about both of you and no one is leaving...or I'll be too sad.13th Step...meet Herb Doc....Steve Tuck. Here's a little introduction:http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=marijuana%2Bcanada%2Bmedical%2BTuck&qt_s=Search+Groups
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #46 posted by FoM on December 19, 2004 at 07:12:54 PT
13th step
Please don't feel that way. You are a tremendous assett to CNews. I just was trying to say we all can say what we want. That includes you most definitely.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #45 posted by 13th step on December 19, 2004 at 06:33:24 PT
It was never my intention
for a fight to start, nor was it my intention to inflame anyone. I was merely trying to ask for clarification, and point something out.I apologize for the way my words were percieved, as I did not intend for anyone to be angered.If I understand what you are saying, then you were meaning that cannabists (for lack of a better term) are the ones who may seem "out there". I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying that. That's why I posted, because I misunderstood your comment.I was raised in the church. As I understand it, the Old Testament is a historical document, and the New Testament is the life & teachings of Jesus Christ, Lord & Saviour.Christianity is supposed to follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, and I felt that you were making a judgement with the line : "...if those who don't believe want to belittle this then I would love to seee their face when it's their time to face the music is here? " , and felt that I needed to point it out.I always thought that judgement was supposed to be left up to God.Anyway, I apologize again. It was certainly not my intention for you to feel attacked. I was merely trying to understand, and I do that by questioning things. I question things I don't understand, because that's how I learn.Again, I'm sorry that you feel persecuted, and now seem to feel the need to limit your opinions. That was not what I was wanting to achieve.I was just asking questions.AS FoM said, "You can say what you want to say."As it was directed at you, I'll take that as my cue to not post again.I loved this community while I could participate.Thank you all for reading.Goodbye.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #44 posted by FoM on December 18, 2004 at 12:07:54 PT
herbdoc215
You can say what you want to say. CNews has matured into a very good progressive and compassionate web site. I have no problem with what people say and people know the only thing I won't tolerate is infighting. It serves no helpful purpose. Fighting is the greatest destroyer of all that is good.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #43 posted by herbdoc215 on December 18, 2004 at 11:59:22 PT
13th step
surely you realize that 1000's more people lurk here than post. Of those who come here to read/learn about cannabis are not all of the same experiences as all of us who post and are "true believers" in the goodness of cannabis....most of these people have been taught that cannabis is an evil thing all their lives. All I wanted to do was point out to those people that they should give these concepts a second reading using their hearts instead of heads is all? Other than bible-thumpers I don't hear alot of people talk about religion in public anymore, and when you do it seems everybody starts squirming around looking for the door. I just thought it was nice is all...seems I should have just kept my opinion to myself. Peace, Steve Tuck
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #42 posted by dr slider on December 18, 2004 at 11:15:06 PT:
13th step
I'm not sure if it qualifies as "out there" or "belittled" but calling someone unchristian, vengeful, and self centered in a rant about how one should be ashamed of exactly that behavior is the height of hypocrisy. That's just what I got from reading it.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #41 posted by 13th step on December 18, 2004 at 08:23:23 PT
Herboc
"I know people read these things and think we are "out there" but what I just read belies the spirit of Christ more than any preacher I've ever heard before. Thank you for being open and true and if those who don't believe want to belittle this then I would love to seee their face when it's their time to face the music is here? "Has anyone here at CNEWS actually said they think you are "out there" because of your beliefs? Has anyone here actually "belittled" your beliefs? If so, they should be ashamed of themselves. I myself have never seen any comments directed at global, or GCW (whose comments I, being an atheist, or anti-theist, actually enjoy. It's nice to see someone play up the love side of christianity for a change, not the Falwell/Robertson/Jones/etc. type of christian hatemongering), or anyone else who quotes scripture to support their arguments.I think you are imagining things. Don't find persecution where none exists. That's not healthy. In fact, seems a little paranoid.And that last line doesn't sound very christian to me. Sounds kinda', well, vengeful. Aren't you supposed to love everyone, including those who don't share your beliefs? I would think instead of feeling some sort of happiness (schadenfreude?) for them being proven wrong in your endtimes scenarios you would want them to be loved and not suffering. But correct me if I'm wrong, that's just what I got out of reading it.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #40 posted by WolfgangWylde on December 18, 2004 at 05:24:58 PT
Bring It On...
....Then they'll have to PROVE the dangers, with reams of scientific data showing otherwise.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #39 posted by The GCW on December 18, 2004 at 03:40:45 PT
dr slider
Thank You for Your input.I identify with what You wrote.And I AM pleased to receive it.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #38 posted by herbdoc215 on December 18, 2004 at 02:25:58 PT
GCW, I usually keep my sprituallity to myself
but I can't keep from saying " right on" and I concur 100% with what you said! I just wanted to say thanks for speaking what I feel everyday. I know people read these things and think we are "out there" but what I just read belies the spirit of Christ more than any preacher I've ever heard before. Thank you for being open and true and if those who don't believe want to belittle this then I would love to seee their face when it's their time to face the music is here? Keep it coming, as the time for truth is long past! Peace, Steve Tuck
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #37 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 21:52:37 PT
afterburner
Thank you. You said it all so well. What beautiful words on the plague in your kitchen that your wife gave you. Sharing it was very kind.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #36 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 21:43:48 PT
ekim
Thank you for telling us about Nightline. We turned it on and watched it. I turned to my husband and asked him a question after seeing the show. I asked him if men can kill easier then a woman can. What I meant is if I was in a war area and I saw a person who was injured and needed help I would want to help that one person more then being angry and wanting to shoot people. He understood and sort of agrees that it is different. Maybe that's why when Bush invaded Iraq it upset me so much. I guess I really mind people killing people for any reason.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #35 posted by dr slider on December 17, 2004 at 21:35:25 PT:
The GCW
I'm quite familiar with the shivers of which you speak. I think Lao translated by Father Thomas (Merton) said it best;"The Way can be neither sensed nor known,
It transmits sensation and transcends knowledge." Those jolts of electricity that go coursing along my spine are "tickles" from Him, and are always co-incidental to heightened extrasensory awareness. Truly opening ones eyes to "What Is" is very like taking the red or blue pill, the effects are both profound and irreversible.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #34 posted by afterburner on December 17, 2004 at 20:48:05 PT
FoM -- RE Just a Comment
I've been thinking a lot about how much people spend at this time of year and how they struggle to repay in the new year. Also, I have been disappointed in the forced festivity that prevents bosses from firing, downsizing or laying-off workers at Christmas, but let's them lower the boom as soon as the holidays are over.My wife gave me a plaque which hangs in the kitchen:"Let joy be more than a word."Let hope be more than a song."Let love be more than a call."Let Christmas be more than a season."The business world and all the scarcity-believers discourage generosity. Therefore, people do not know how to be generous on an on-going basis. Once the dam of business-like indifference breaks at Christmas, the average person drowns in a flood of emotion, love, and generosity. He/she overdoes it and then has to pay the piper. This sudden generosity takes oodles of time, makes people feel rushed and stressed out, and distracts people from the true meaning of Christmas.For another view of the holidays: Entheogens 101: James Arthur on Santa Claus and the Fly Agaric Mushroom
Entheogens 101: with Pot-TV
Running Time: 20 min
Date Entered: 04 Dec 2003
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2333.html
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #33 posted by The GCW on December 17, 2004 at 20:25:57 PT
siege & global_warming
siege & global_warming,Thank You for bringing Us together at Luke 9:26.Notice how Luke 9:25, also relates and expose more…Luke 9:25, “For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself?"420Also,Seige,There is a good thing telling Us about the “deluding influence” in 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, that is described a bunch in this section subtitled, “Man of Lawlessness” which is 2 Thes. 2:1-17.
It seems the deluding influence has the effect of allowing Us to clearly see who gets it and who doesn’t, with ease.
It is described as though it is a blessing; that We can see who is deluded. (not that it is a blessing that the deluding influence has grasped souls.)Zombies.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #32 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 19:52:49 PT
Just a Comment
This is such a hard time of year for many people. I never enjoyed this time of year and I will be happy when we ring in 2005. For people who have kids it's a nice time but news and progress seems to stop. I'm impatient when it comes to our issue. I don't like losing momentum and holidays do that. This is a time when people spend way more money then they should and the peace on earth part doesn't seem to be even mentioned. Thank you all for keeping the discussion going.Can I throw in one Ba Hum Bug just for fun! LOL!
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #31 posted by The GCW on December 17, 2004 at 19:13:14 PT
One thing cannabis does for Me,
Cannabis is about equal to the Bible in helping My prayer time.I can pray with out the Bible but often enjoy the NASB at the same time and it can help direct. The Bible has taught Me a lot through the spirit of truth. That spirit of truth is golden and with it the Bible is alive and speaks to Me.I can pray with out cannabis but prayer with cannabis is way ahead of prayer with out cannabis. It is like the spirit of truth on high alert, while reading and / or praying. The difference between prayer with or with out cannabis is noteworthy.It seems as though it is part of a circle ready to be made. Almost but not quite completed. (This is where I wish to come in; to complete what has not yet been completed)Our spiritual realities are right there.There.Cannabis, prayer, the N.A.S.B. Bible and that sweet gift, the spirit of truth are the highest combo that I AM aware of.A perfect gift.Give it to Christ God Our Father.He wants a little of Our time and He can smell.Next time, thank Him for that smell and give it to Him. What He gives in return, is serious living love and living truth.In the last few years, I have learned a bit about cannabis and Our spiritual realities
and what I have learned I just have gotta share. If You use cannabis, try praying to Christ God Our Father and asking Him what He thinks about cannabis prohibition, persecution and extermination.I have smoked cannabis a lot of years and I would have never dreamed in My wildest imagination that cannabis is something that Our Father loves and will share His love with us about cannabis.It will make You know, We are His culture, in ways that will give You shivers many times.The love is there. Just ask Him.From Stoner and ClimaxThe Green Collar Worker
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #30 posted by mayan on December 17, 2004 at 18:50:26 PT
links...
FoM, that's great about the Wisconsin Loophole! Here are some links to chew on since the news is slow...State wants pot case reassessed:
http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7244~2603692,00.htmlEmotional Sentencing:
http://www.wluk.com/common/article.shtml?article_id=1103289033015449Editorial: Good use of 'pot' funds:
http://www.simcoe.com/sc/orillia/editorial/v-scv2/story/2433977p-2816918c.htmlSnoop Dogg Endorses Marijuana Flavoured Sweets:
http://www.gigwise.com/contents.asp?ContentID=3678In The Dogghouse!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/news/2004/12/17/16120.shtmlStill bypassing the media blackout...AP Fails to Report Diebold Vote-Tampering Testimony & Moyers Conflict of Interest:
http://newsclipautopsy.blogspot.com/2004/12/half-truth-ap-fails-to-report-diebold.htmlOhio Update - Recounts and Lawsuits Continue:
http://www.votecobb.org/A Call for a New Election:
http://www.newropeans-magazine.org/articles_inter/2004/3_171204_1.phpVoters Refile Challenge Of Presidential Results:
http://www.nbc4i.com/politics/4007289/detail.htmlWell, here's why all the 3% counts are matching up in Ohio:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=171627What R the odds of PERFECT RECOUNTS in multiple counties?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=170310THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble - Part 3: 9/11 served a multitude of purposes:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121704Schwarz/121704schwarz.htmlWhy Do the Dems Want to Deny Cynthia McKinney Seniority?
http://www.counterpunch.org/donham12092004.htmlAMENDED AND RESTATED CITIZENS' COMPLAINT AND PETITION
TO ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK FOR AN INDEPENDENT GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION:
http://www.justicefor911.org/Justicefor911Index_111904.php
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #29 posted by ekim on December 17, 2004 at 18:41:04 PT
FoM and all grow your own
info hsuginseng.com or http://www.hsuginseng.com Nightline to have more on ptsd tonight
http://www.leap.cc/events
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #28 posted by global_warming on December 17, 2004 at 18:31:44 PT
re:27
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (who so readeth, let him understand:)In keeping with the Christmas spirit-
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. "The widespread deception about the "Antichrist" is only the "The first part:" of the vast religious deception carried out in the name of "Christianity." In fact, this deception is so thorough that thousands of professing Christian ministers and priests are themselves deceived and therefore do not even realize that they are perpetuating a lie...Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. The current deceptions will not stand the test of time, for the glory of the mystery shall forever remain in the depthes of the unfathomable,...Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Peace and Faith,
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #27 posted by siege on December 17, 2004 at 17:49:56 PT
time frame
I'm in that time frame 65 there a fue older then I m.. we have been talking about it since the 1980 Legal marijana maybe one day it will come around I mite see it don't know, all we can do is try to get the Medical Legal
IT is not the WWII generation that is stoping it, try the pharmaceuticals and oil co. paying off the Gov't. IT's like this: So and so is so dam good and like him so much we let him rip us off so bad and not eveny weary about IT, when will they wake up for God sake's!
(( sorry I forgot god bush is on the Hill.))
major deception::
That Satan has scammed mainstream Christianity! The widespread deception about the "Antichrist" is only the "The first part:" of the vast religious deception carried out in the name of "Christianity." In fact, this deception is so thorough that thousands of professing Christian ministers and priests are themselves deceived and therefore do not even realize that they are perpetuating a lie, Jesus Christ similarly described the false religious leaders of His day: "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch" (Matthew 15:14).
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #26 posted by john wayne on December 17, 2004 at 16:23:00 PT
An unanticipated side-effect of longer life-spans
is that the hidebound troglodytes at the top of the power hierarchy don't have the decency to die as soon as they did a few decades ago, but instead stay alive and healthy and becoming more and more conservative and goofy religio-apocalyptic. Still, a "tipping point" will probably be reached sometime in the next couple decades. I suspect when the WWII generation really is dead and gone (they're in their late 70's and early 80's now) we may actually see a sea change in the attitudes toward cannabis and other prohibited plant-drugs. Even this WWII generation have changed their minds by and large about medical cannabis, and one thing on our side is that older folks who discover medpot will probably live longer than their canna-phobic bretheren.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #25 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 16:17:36 PT
Sam
Thank you. I bookmarked the link. We have only been using a few different essential oils and I take Valarian Root at night. We both took a lot of herbs but my husbands VA doctor told him to stop and he did. After I detoxed off of prescription drugs I used lots of different herbs but I don't need them anymore. SJW in high extract doses helped me thru the time when you haven't found your joy after withdrawal. It takes a while and then finally you see the sunrise again. Herbs are wonderful.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #24 posted by tokenitallup4162 on December 17, 2004 at 16:13:03 PT:
pain and pot
I really do appreciate the studies on neurologic problems and cannabinoids. I do know from my own experience that cannabis never ever takes the place of curing pain, as most of us knows. It will though, let you experience the freedom of your own thinking, by not being in pain so severe it keeps you at the bedside. cannabis does allow a person to go about their daily lives, be it we might be stoned as some tell me. I have to remind the people constantly, take my pills,and my pain, , then come back and tell me if cannabis would be better for them! This shuts them up pretty quick. I am an exvet, a father, a grandad, and a good husband. I have a wonderful wife for putting up with my pains and my turmoils. herbdoc, sounds like they could make a movie out of your unfortunate situation. but I do know, who was laughing in their hearts, after it was all said and done. glad you came thru unscathed.I have helocopters flying all summer behind my land and they can't find nothing in or out of my house or land, such a waste of money, and taxpayers money at that. last but not least, joe citizen, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, on comment no.8. Peace, Toker
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #23 posted by Sam Adams on December 17, 2004 at 15:54:45 PT
herbs
FOM, thanks for the heads up on pesticides in ginseng - I take my herbal medicine as tinctures, I buy most of the stuff from here, this place is awesome, almost totally organic:http://www.avenaherbs.com/If they don't have it, herb pharm's tinctures are outstanding as well.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #22 posted by Taylor121 on December 17, 2004 at 14:10:26 PT:
Sign the petition and spread it
Petition to Remove Marijuana from Schedule IThis petition is going to be presented to the Secretary of Health and Human Services in January of 2005. Spread the word and sign!http://safeaccessnow.org/petition/index.php?id=7Also write a letter!
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #21 posted by dr slider on December 17, 2004 at 12:47:00 PT:
S.O.S (comment 7) another non. pro. per. op.
Cannabis opens the mind to the reality that time is not linear. Open the mind and the body must follow. Even brother Stephen (Hawking) published in MMI that time is at least planar. I came to realize in MCMXCIX that time is (at least) spatial (3-D). Taking in to account the (x,y,z) of space we've (x,y,z,t,"tau",T ("te")) in which to slide. Open the Mind and the body must follow!Slide on.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #20 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 12:29:55 PT
Zell
When I saw him at the RNC and then on Hardball I thought where did someone like him come from and how is he a person that anyone would consider as correct in his views. He scared me with his kind of thinking. Why don't these old folks retire and let younger more progressive thinking people lead our country?
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #19 posted by dongenero on December 17, 2004 at 12:10:17 PT
Zell
I guess Fox is gathering all their nuts for winter.I'm sure Jon's jokes will be better....I've got nothing.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #18 posted by dr slider on December 17, 2004 at 12:05:18 PT:
Way off topic
Does Zell Miller's hiring at Fox seem like the perfect Christmas present to Jon Stewart, or what?
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #17 posted by dongenero on December 17, 2004 at 12:00:20 PT
go organic
Go organic whenever possible, including cannabis.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #16 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 11:56:40 PT
Chemicals Hurting Good Natural Remedies
FDA Warns About Pesticides Found in Ginseng:
http://www.healthcentral.com/news/NewsFullText.cfm?id=1505415
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #15 posted by Sam Adams on December 17, 2004 at 11:44:28 PT
Dr S
You're so right, there's really no concrete proof that the flu shot will save your life, which is what the huge lines of frightened seniors obviously believe.I'd much rather take my chances with my annual December 3-week run of taking Echinicea, Goldenseal, Ginseng & Astralagus (sp???).I've also read that something like 1/3rd of flu shots have very small amounts of mercury used as a preservative.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #14 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 11:00:34 PT
dr slider
The way I look at this is we were made to find medicine in the plants and herbs that are on the earth. Pills were made for money and to make it easier then natural remedies. Pills are very often toxic to the liver or cause other problems. Herbs are safer and were meant to be used.People that I know that bought into the pill for every ill are not doing well physically and often emotionally either.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #13 posted by dr slider on December 17, 2004 at 10:52:52 PT:
FoM (comment 11)
You and me both. The story on the "news" is now about how worried "they" are that we've excess flu shots and that those that "need" them won't get them. After a month of shot shortage coverage "they're" confused that we're not herding like cattle to get them now that they're available. A good sign, I say, that the sheeple are at least paying some attention to these false crises. I trust my ability to detect foreign substances in my medcan, but not in a clear liquid in a syringe.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #12 posted by drfistusa on December 17, 2004 at 10:36:34 PT
It's too strong today??? Huh!
that old BS about "this isn't your father's pot" I remember in the late sixties you could get real alcapoco gold, Panama red, columbia gold, on the street in N.Y, it was dynamite. It cost more but of course you use less, that stronger pot scnario to trump constitutional protection of privacy in AK. is really a weak case that relys on a good lier and a dumb court.
Western Buddhism = Scythien Buddhism
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #11 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 09:54:52 PT
Legal Prescription Drugs
Last night Ron Bennett and I had one of our infrequent but long talks so we cover a lot of ground and it's always good conversation. Why I said that was because I told Ron we were sick with the flu and he asked me if we got a flu shot and I said no because we are anti-drug and he laughed and I laughed too but that's the truth. I don't trust pharmaceuticals.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #10 posted by Dankhank on December 17, 2004 at 09:44:12 PT
Pain Relief
so ... Celebrex joins Vioxx ........http://tech-geeks.org/tiny.php?url=2321 Drug Warriors say that Marijuanan is not medicine ... and we shoud trust Pharmaceutical Company products ...I say ... Thalidomide, Phen-Phen, Baycol, Vioxx, Prozac, and now Celebrex ...
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #9 posted by FoM on December 17, 2004 at 09:33:18 PT
Just a Note
I really appreciate the comments on how Cannabis works. I can't find any news that is worth posting. It's because of the holiday season so it will get slow probably until after the new year. I will keep looking for news.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #8 posted by JoeCitizen on December 17, 2004 at 09:02:15 PT
My take on pain relief
Cannabis makes you feel far away from the pain. Opiates make you feel far away from YOURSELF.JC
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #7 posted by dididadadidit on December 17, 2004 at 08:05:24 PT
Cannabis Pain Relief Mechanism a Time Warp?
I liken the pain relief to something noticed when first using recreationally years ago. Namely, the alteration of the perception of time which seems to take much longer to go by. With time stretched out, the peak of pain is stretched out over more time at a lower level. It is as though the product of time and pain is a constant wherein the longer time altered state permitted by the cannabis requires a lower level of pain to produce the same product.Just a non professional personal observation.Cheers?
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #6 posted by 13th step on December 17, 2004 at 06:23:36 PT
Cannabis helps you percieve the pain
differently.It's hard to articulate. Very hard.The way it makes the pain feel, well, less demanding. Less intense.
Less life draining.Those narcotics are life draining, too. At least for me.That's incredible news about Wisconsin. I don't know if loophole is the right term, seeing as how the law says valid prescription, and she has a valid prescription. A valid prescription from a doctor is a loophole now? [spanks WKOW employees] BAD JOURNALIST!I wonder if the spider was a brown recluse. Wouldn't that be interesting if cannabis was a natural'cure' for brown recluse bites?
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #5 posted by dr slider on December 16, 2004 at 23:58:54 PT:
have we forgotten cures?
I'm not talking about the pallative effects of cannabis. Its a given that cannabis will make damn near anybody feel better.I'm snfnt of talk that "Nobody's saying its a cure." "We'll humbly accept your judgement."I say I want a revolution.And its gonna be alright.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #4 posted by FoM on December 16, 2004 at 22:29:13 PT
dr slider
This is how I think of how Cannabis helps with pain. Narcotics dull pain. Narcotics are good for pain from surgery or something really seriously acute but when it comes to neuropathy or pain that I can relate to Cannabis works in a way that a narcotic doesn't. Cannabis doesn't totally eliminate pain but it removes you from the pain. It's like you know you have pain but it doesn't bother you. I can't think of how else to describe it. This is just my opinion.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #3 posted by dr slider on December 16, 2004 at 22:14:29 PT:
Crazywhirl
They fail to mention what I would call the neuroregeneratve properties of cannabinoids. They notice what I've been saying for over a month (and doctors knew in 1937...Who made the doctors forget?), cannabis isn't just about goin' to the head. We've cannabinoid receptors in all kind of tissue. Some may wonder how a tortured Angel can endure the tribulations of being brought before the "Supreme Justice(s)" of the land. When I heard of her mention of the "massage oils" I knew she has the kind of support that an awakened being feels among the somnalient. The inspired among the desiring.Sacrament, medicine, or recreation? When one speaks of the best "way" to open access to the plant, I'd agree with the mayan. Anyone that thinks that the freeing of cannabis will happen within the current power structure is deluded. As for what it means to me, aren't sac., med.-n-rec. semantically equal?Anyone that claims that the fact that a tortured women, dragged in pain before a judge to answer for her choice of medical treatment, wasn't found guilty of a crime, is justice, knows nothing of the concept.
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #2 posted by FoM on December 16, 2004 at 21:14:07 PT
News Article from WKOW-TV
Loophole in Medical Marijuana BanDecember 16, 2004A Sauk County Judge drops charges on a woman caught with marijuana.Medical marijuana is illegal in Wisconsin, but a woman from Sun Prairie has found a loophole. The woman was arrested for possession of the drug, but a judge let her go.
The verdict even surprised the woman's Defense Attorney. It all boils down to a state law that says you can possess a controlled substance as long as you have a valid prescription. 'I got bit by the deadliest spider in America. It bit me several times. I've never even heard of this spider. It has nine flesh-digestive enzymes that have been identified. There's no cure, there's no anti-venom,' says Cheryl Lam, the defendant. Lam has been paralyzed, has dropped down to 90 pounds, and suffers chronic pain. For her, medical marijuana helps her lead a normal life. 'It just allows me to kind of put the pain, it deadens it so i can do the dishes, and do these things with my kids that i like to do,' says Lam. Lam got a prescription card while living in California, one of eleven states that have legalized medical marijuana. When she moved back to Wisconsin, Lam was arrested for possession of the drug. Just a few days ago, a judge dropped the charges. 'Because it has been clearly decided by a judge in Wisconsin that if you have a valid prescription that you are entitled to have your medical marijuana,' says Lam's Defense Attorney, Charity Reynolds. Reynolds says the case could set the precedent for medical marijuana use in Wisconsin, and revitalize the campaign for those who are against the ban. 'Since there is no legal source to get medicinal marijuana in Wisconsin, Cheryl and other people like her are forced to buy marijuana from street pushers,' she says. Reynolds says this case may possibly be the first case to test Wisconsin's statute on medical marijuana. Reynolds says she couldn't find a similar case, and neither could the District Attorney. The case was dismissed on Monday in Baraboo. That's where Lam was arrested for possession of the drug. http://www.wkowtv.com/$spindb.!query.1listnews.storeview.13699.news
[ Post Comment ]
Comment #1 posted by mayan on December 16, 2004 at 18:55:09 PT
YIPPEE!!!
From the last article on the bulletin...Researchers at the University of Washington School of Medicine determined: "Cannabinoids have the capacity for neuromodulation through direct, receptor-based mechanisms at many levels within the nervous system, providing therapeutic properties that may be applicable to the treatment of neurologic disorders. These include antioxidation, neuroprotection, analgesia, anti-inflammation, immunomodulation, modulation of glial cells, and tumor growth regulation.Is this great news or what? And what timing!Outshining the blackout...Emergency Motion Filed to Prevent Recount Tampering in Ohio:
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/buchanan_1216.php - also -
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/arnebeck_1216.phpOhio Justice Throws Out Election Challenge:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4677829,00.htmlAffidavit Filed in Ohio on Voting Machine Tampering:
http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2004_12_15.htmlConyers' Investigation Continues:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=497Ohio Update:
http://www.votecobb.org/THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...NEW YORK PRESS & LONG ISLAND PRESS FEATURE 9/11 TRUTH STATEMENT ADS!!!
http://www.911truth.org/images/NYspitzerad.jpgMike Ruppert in Seattle on 1/15!
http://www.septembereleventh.org/seattle/index.phpMysteries of the Twin Towers:
http://www.seekinglight.net/911vis/rodgwtchtm.htm
[ Post Comment ]
Post Comment