Posted by CN Staff on April 12, 2004 at 09:20:50 PT
By Marilyn Geewax, Cox News Service
Source: Kansas City Star 
Washington — An FBI proposal to make it easier to wiretap high-speed Internet communications is drawing criticism from businesses and privacy experts. The fear is that the increased FBI authority could stifle innovation and allow too much monitoring of online conversations.The FBI already has the power to tap phone calls and review e-mails and instant messages, as long as it has a court order. But phone calls made via Internet connections are more difficult to tap.
Now law enforcement agencies, saying their ability to track terrorists and other criminals is at stake, have asked the Federal Communications Commission to force providers of high-speed Internet access to retool their networks to ease eavesdropping — while passing the costs along to consumers.Today, the FCC closes its 30-day comment period on the FBI request. A debate already is raging about whether the retooled networks would provide enough safeguards to prevent the government from intercepting online communications between innocent parties.The FBI doesn't just want to subpoena suspicious communications after they have been sent, but rather to monitor instant messages and e-mails as they are being exchanged, according to Dave Baker, vice president for public policy at EarthLink Inc., an Internet service provider based in Atlanta.“We have a long history of cooperating with law enforcement,” Baker said. But these proposed changes would expand police powers by greatly enhancing “the ability to get real-time intercepts,” he said.Such a change could lead to far more police surveillance of the Internet, Baker predicted.“It's the camel's nose under the tent,” he said.Baker said he had no estimate of what the proposed technological changes would cost, but it would not be trivial. “At the very least, you would be driving up costs … and compromising innovation,” he said.“This would radically change how the Internet develops,” said John Morris, staff counsel for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a public interest group based in Washington. “If the FBI has its way, the companies themselves will go overseas because tech innovation will leave the United States.”The brouhaha began last month when the FBI, the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration filed a petition asking the FCC to require a re-engineering of broadband networks.In addition, they want the FCC to allow the companies to pass along to consumers any higher costs, though they did not estimate what the price tag might be.The FBI says it simply wants to update its wiretapping capabilities to keep up with new methods of communication.Michael Clifford, section chief in charge of the FBI's wiretap implementation efforts, issued a statement saying that “nothing in the petition can be interpreted as a request for expanding the scope of law enforcement's authority to conduct electronic surveillance.”Rather, the FBI just wants “to ensure compliance (with existing law) and institute a cost recovery mechanism so neither the industry nor individual law enforcement agencies bear the entire burden of meeting the responsibilities.”The law under which they are seeking changes is called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act. Enacted in 1994, the law required phone companies to rewire their networks to facilitate wiretaps.But just a decade later, a technological revolution is making it possible for consumers to make phone calls through Internet connections and broadband services rather than phone lines.While only about 1 percent of calls are being made via the Internet, experts believe that figure will soar in the coming decade.For police, the problem is that on the Internet, voice signals are turned into packets of data that are indistinguishable from other data packets.The law enforcement agencies want communications providers to make it easier to identify which packets are which. Some people in the tech world agree that the FBI's request is not unreasonable. Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun Microsystems Inc., said in a recent interview that high-tech companies should be more willing to help police monitor communications between potential terrorists and other criminals.“Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility,” McNeely said. “I'm all in favor of making life harder for the bad guys.”Note: FBI request on Internet wiretaps stirs controversy.On the Web: FCC: Kansas City Star (MO)Author: Marilyn Geewax, Cox News ServicePublished: April 12, 2004Copyright: 2004 The Kansas City StarContact: letters kcstar.comWebsite: Articles: Justice, FBI Seek Rules for Internet Taps Ashcroft's Assault on the Constitution Seeking To Wiretap Internet
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Comment #44 posted by jose melendez on April 13, 2004 at 19:59:31 PT
who indeed . . .
Yes Dave, who would have known, indeed.One thing that struck me in the Presidential address tonight was that the POTUS kept insisting that if they'd know planes might be used to fly into buildings he'd have done something.Everytime he said it, his body language suggested otherwise, and I seem to remember Giuliani saying something about running computer simulations that very morning . . .Also, I thought if he mentioned his "conviction" one more time, he really must want to lose the upcoming election. Regardless, the debate between Asa Hutchinson and Gary Johnson about marijuana legalizations on September 10 would have been the biggest news of the day, no?
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Comment #43 posted by Dave in Florida on April 13, 2004 at 09:10:12 PT
Hey kaptinemo
Funny you should mention Venice Flying Service. I was doing work there on a remodel project when Mohammad Atta was learing to fly there. I spoke to him several times. He appeared to be a regular guy learning to fly, was interested in aviation and hoped to get a job with the airlines in saudi arabia. Who would have known.. 
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Comment #42 posted by kaptinemo on April 13, 2004 at 08:21:40 PT:
Excuses, excuses
BTW, I thought it was the DEA, not the Feebs, who were in charge of 'fighting drugs'? Looks like the Feebs are trying to make their much-dreaded (by DEA wonks) takeover bid from DEA of all drug interdiction duties.As if one bowl of steaming, rotten crow to eat for not listening to the Whistleblowers about the "Venice Flying Circus" of hijackers wasn't enough, they want more? Like something out of the classic movie "Animal House": "Thank you, sir; may I have another?" WHAPP!
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on April 13, 2004 at 08:15:33 PT
kaptinemo and Dankhank
I know I am. I was really tired so I just turned the hearings on. I sure hope they talk about the drug war and how it keeps them from finding terrorists. All those FBI agents that were at Rainbow Farm that could have been trying to keep our country safe instead of fighting good people over drugs.
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Comment #40 posted by kaptinemo on April 13, 2004 at 08:10:06 PT:
The classic choice: "Guns or butter"
The Feds have had things their own way for so long by trying to have *both*, the country is *de facto* bankrupt. So, now they are saying that because of the DrugWar, they *didn't have enough money for counter-terrorism*?(Laughter dripping with scorn)I sincerely hope someone is paying attention in Congress; that last Feeb statement's a sure-fire admission that the DrugWar funds were wasted. By extrapolation, you could figure that they have *always* been wasted.
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Comment #39 posted by Dankhank on April 13, 2004 at 06:27:15 PT
A FBI agent, on Fox,just said that the country had a drug war to fight and THAT distracted MONEY and attention from the terror probem early on in the Bush administration.Damn them all ...
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Comment #38 posted by MDG on April 12, 2004 at 22:12:01 PT
I just want a pound of individuality.
I am, and have always been, an individual. I am perplexed why people insist on being part of a group identity, essentially abandoning their own. Part of Socialism is destruction of the individual. It seems that those who follow a social herd are "sheeple", not, as is certainly overtly implied here, people who disagree.I know the drug war is a colossal disaster; there's no question. No post I've ever made has stated otherwise. In fact, I recall saying that the US had an attack coming that it could not stop (before Sept. 11, but after Tom and Rollie were sniped). I was right, and it happened a week or so later.But, that's a far cry from viewing the President sitting in a class and saying, "He knew! I can read his mind like Ms. Cleo!", only to move onto the outrageous "He planned it." The thing is, I used to believe that bunk, especially when I was feeling most anxious.Yet, that was a long time ago, and maybe these past two posts are just a public clearing of air. I still believe the Drug War has to end, but now I choose not to live in fear of the government and don't become fixated on finding a Republican to hate. I believe, for me, that impressionability was a psychological symptom of poor nutrition (probably very low B-complex), and I can certainly see how people start to believe conspiracy theory. I'm not talking simply, "That sounds pretty fishy and I don't buy the official story", (like unstruck WTC7, which looks exactly like controlled demolition) but the "He planned it...uh, because of Haliburton. He just loves death." Most people don't even know what Haliburton actually does, except maybe "murder civilians". Just because a candidate wants to "free the weed" doesn't mean he is credible.But, lately just about every time I'd start to read the posts here, I would think, "Oh, jeez...give me a break." I'm trying to read about resolving the problems associated with the black market drug trade, ESPECIALLY with respect to MMJ and it would just be "execute Bush before it's made illegal". This is more of the ends justifying the means than honest disagreement.Also, those who claim, "The people voted on Prop 215, and it's state law. The feds don't have the Constitutional authority to trump it" (I agree) are the same people who say, "Screw state law! I don't care if the people voted on it!" Is that honesty, or just ultimate fulfillment one's own agenda?I can tell you, as the past few years have been the darkest period of my life, that investing so much energy into being angry and searching for something or someone to string up (Bush, for example) doesn't make anything better, but makes things worse. This isn't just socially, but one begins to poison himself.Nice to see you, too, EJ. You're certainly one who should know how Socialism/Communism "betters" society.I'll be happy to just "read the articles" again. That's fine.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 20:51:37 PT
About The Show
I appreciate the way they talk about the use of certain mind altering substances. Having a Shaman as a guide is so good. That way if a person has a difficult time the Shaman can help them. Illegal use of drugs makes people take drugs without proper preparation. I'm not an expert by any means but that is what I am getting out of the program particularly the use of Peyote. I never did Peyote so once again I can't compare to anything.
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Comment #36 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 20:28:09 PT
Me, too.
Thanks!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 20:06:55 PT
Thanks Dankhank
I saw your post and turned it on!
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Comment #34 posted by Dankhank on April 12, 2004 at 20:00:04 PT
Drugs Special
on Nat'l Geog. Channel 276 on DTV now ...
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Comment #33 posted by goneposthole on April 12, 2004 at 19:48:38 PT
let's see here once, now
The Twin Towers in NYC toppled to the ground. 3000 deaths.Afghanistan attacked and invaded. Thousands more die.Iraq invaded, 21,000 to 55,000 Iraqis massacred.Some 600 US soldiers have died after a nearly a year after 'major combat operations' were declared successful.The US has itself dug into Iraq like a tick on a dog's ear.I don't know, but some kind of conspiracy was in the works for an extended period of time. Could be just me though. It may not be that tough to convince others that a conspiracy may have taken place.We have a drug war that is over 30 years old now. I am beginning to think that it may also be some kind of conspiracy. Maybe even some kind of unsavory, filthy, disgusting racket going on, too, by golly.As for Socialism, I don't think it stole any horse. It just got the one back that the capitalists ride around for awhile to sucker unsuspecting taxpayers. 'An election is a pre-arranged auction of already stolen property' The hapless capitalists have been riding stolen horses for hundreds of years longer than the socialists have existed.Please direct any anger at those who are culpable, not your favorite scapegoat. I'm angry that Tom Croslin got gunned down. I'm angry that a highschool senior in California committed suicide because he was busted for pot and couldn't cope with the humiliation. I'm angry at all of the countless and needless arrests for cannabis possessions, medical marijuana arrests and harrassments. Cannabis users have paid their dues. You want a pound of flesh, MDG. The above cited examples should have provided plenty by now. You want more.Forgive me, MDG, for being sensitive. 
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Comment #32 posted by E_Johnson on April 12, 2004 at 19:05:42 PT
Here's some interesting science
See especially the part about "jerky new guys" MDG
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Comment #31 posted by cloud7 on April 12, 2004 at 19:02:20 PT
Doing a search I see you have been here a while, I still stand by my statements.
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Comment #30 posted by cloud7 on April 12, 2004 at 18:58:39 PT
"I've wasted so much time reading Socialist "Progressive" bullshit and filling my head with paranoid conspiracy theory in the past couple of years on this site that it's difficult to keep from barfing."Are you sure this isnt the first time you've visited here, because there is a wide range of opinions posted here across the political spectrum. We do, however, have a common goal and it's not who we would like to see in office. It's what we want someone to do to the unjust laws once they get there. Dont label me and the rest of the board with broad strokes.
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Comment #29 posted by MDG on April 12, 2004 at 18:29:39 PT
Screw Socialism and the stolen horse it rode upon.
Stop living in fear and paranoia. I know very well about these two things and used to become fixated upon every little thing I thought the government was doing to me behind my back. (I was also convinced of the "Bush knew" and all the other stuff linked all over the posts here. But, I was paranoid because I was malnourished.)The paranoid fixation is a fruitless waste of time and energy.Am I bothered that the government snoops around where it shouldn't? Of course. Do I want to lose any more sleep about it? Hell no. Have they thrown me in jail for reading about pot or posting on this site? Not as far as I can recall.What bothers me even more than the government's prying eyes are the people who think they have some right to take what someone else has just because they don't think they have enough, or worse, that someone else has "too much". It's that "evil rich" thing again, or "the sheeple are too stupid".The "Have nots" never seem to be the "Want Nots". Last year, I made $12.5K, living here in California. I have no medical insurance and had a bought with foot-based melanoma (where else would a Bob Marley fan want it?) in addition to my other health issues. But, it was MY foot and MY health and I didn't take one Red cent of anyone else's hard labor to take care of it.I won't ever accept any "government" money because I am in charge of my life, not the people who have their own families to support. Of course, I have some close relatives who are more than happy to suck off the taxpayer, which really pisses me off. They're perfectly capable of getting off their asses and working harder. However, it's so easy to play class-warfare and pay people to remain poor, as Kerry wants (the sensitive rich guy he is).
Be an individual. It's no one's fault but your own whether you succeed or fail or have health insurance or not.(Some may wonder where in the world this came from, but I've wasted so much time reading Socialist "Progressive" bullshit and filling my head with paranoid conspiracy theory in the past couple of years on this site that it's difficult to keep from barfing. And, no, I didn't vote for Bush and I'm not a Republican.)Take care.
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Comment #28 posted by mayan on April 12, 2004 at 18:12:46 PT
Only The People...
There is enough blame to go around everywhere. Ultimately, the American people are the only ones who can save their country.The only way out...Condoleezza Rice Testifies: LIES A SIXTH GRADER WOULD NOT ACCEPT - by Michael C. Ruppert: to Senator Grassley: FBI Whistleblower Raising Dire 'Smoking Gun' Questions?'t Withholding Other 9/11 Documents, Evading Past Intel Brief Policy: OPEN LETTER TO CONDOLEEZZA RICE "You Are a Liar" by 
Catherine Austin Fitts: Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11:
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Comment #27 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 18:02:24 PT
It's not either/or
The Buck Stops Here. That Truman slogan applies today with bush as much as with Truman.A lot of things I care about aren't campaign issues. That doesn't exonerate the leaders of this country. The *leaders* of this country.lead·er
n.1. One that leads or guides.2. One who is in charge or in command of others.How could that person not be more responsible than the followers, especially since some of us follow under duress?The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #26 posted by E_Johnson on April 12, 2004 at 17:25:55 PT
If it's just Bush and not America
Then why is the DRUGlag not a campaign issue?
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Comment #25 posted by sukoi on April 12, 2004 at 16:46:31 PT
Everyone MUST check this out
Go to and you will find a rotating GIF to the right of the badge, click on:“Peter Christ
A Rotary Club Presentation”when it comes up. This is an absolutely OUTSTANDING presentation! Real One player required and its free here: 
There some other interviews and news clips there as well from Jack Cole, Howard Wooldridge and others!
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Comment #24 posted by Sam Adams on April 12, 2004 at 15:20:04 PT
Hold it...
Something looked fishy with that picture - it was logarithmic scale!  If only my 401K was logarithmic also.... Here's the real picture...nice work Scott
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Comment #23 posted by Sam Adams on April 12, 2004 at 15:07:34 PT
Scott McSuckup
"Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun Microsystems Inc., said in a recent interview that high-tech companies should be more willing to help police monitor communications between potential terrorists and other criminals."“Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility,” McNeely said. “I'm all in favor of making life harder for the bad guys.”Riiiiiiight...How's your stock buddy?
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 14:55:21 PT
Poll: Wolf Blitizer Reports
The poll's results are almost equal and I thought some of you might want to make your feelings known by voting in the poll.QUESTION OF THE DAY Are the U.S. and coalition casualty figures in Iraq higher than you expected?
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Comment #21 posted by billos on April 12, 2004 at 14:39:55 PT:
What scares the hell out of me about bush is......
all the sheeple who absolutely love the guy and think he's doing the right thing. I just do not get it.
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Comment #20 posted by lombar on April 12, 2004 at 13:12:47 PT
Start using encryption before they outlaw that too
"For police, the problem is that on the Internet, voice signals are turned into packets of data that are indistinguishable from other data packets."How hard do you think it will be to encrypt VoIP ?
Just wait till they pass a law like that...enjoy decrypting the 1024-bit keys. The only way they will be able to 'tap' will be to physically obtain the machines, so much for covert surveilence. Of course, using encryption will become 'probable cause' or worse. 
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Comment #19 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 12:52:48 PT
"It's not Bush, it's America." Maybe not
americans are the sheep, bush is the herder. To exonerate the actions of the sheep herder and blame the sheep is ignoring the party at fault.The american sheeple follow their leaders with the same blind faith they put in their churches. The blame falls squarely on those in power who exploit their subjects, no matter what country you're talking about.This is my opinion and not slamming yours, E_Johnson. I've been a part of the assembly of god cult, just like ashcroft, so I'm giving my "insider" view of the "christian right."The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 12:42:19 PT
John Kerry Live Webcast Video Link
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Comment #17 posted by E_Johnson on April 12, 2004 at 12:40:03 PT
This is what I believe about political leaders
Whether a country is a democracy or not, the leadership says something about the people.If the people have bad priorities, how can one expect the leaders to have good ones?Russian poet Anna Akhmatova commented about 1956 when the prisoners of Stalinist GULag were returning hiome after being "rehabilitated" by Khrushchev:"It was the year the half of Russia sent to the camps came home to face the half of Russia who sent them there."She knew that it was ordinary Russians who supported Stalin who made that whole thing happen. People complied with the national command to inform on their neighbors and turn them into the NKVD. People believed the propaganda and turned each other over and got each other sent to the camps and worse.I don't think we were right to try to unseat Saddam, because the Iraqis don't take moral responsibility for each other's freedom right now any more than the Russians did under Stalin.And that's one reason why I don't fling bile at Bush. He's so not the point for me.It's not Bush, it's America. Bush is just the bulging white head on the angry red pimple.It's our whole culture and our way of looking at each other and the world that has become sick and unable to meet the coming challenges of the world.And I think that can be said of the left and the right.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 11:57:25 PT
You reminded me of the movie Red Dawn. I don't believe that killing is ok but if my land was invaded by a foreign countries army I would fight even though I really don't know how to fight. Defending your own land is different and that's why the Iraqis are fighting so fiercely I believe.
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Comment #15 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 11:57:04 PT
FoM, that's why many of the dead are minorities
The wealthy don't go into the military except when they want to go into politics, but they don't go to war.I talked to a former student of mine who has a 6-month-old daughter, but his wife had wanted him to join the military because she can't work and they need the money.It's a slave military.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 11:48:01 PT
Another Thing I've Noticed Recently
We have a friend who has a couple of boys. They are about 20 years old. They cannot find work. There isn't any jobs for young men in our area. They are about ready to enlist in the Armed Services. I wonder if not having enough jobs is one of the reasons why young men enlisted in the Service in previous wars. Just a thought.
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Comment #13 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 11:45:25 PT
The reason for my off-topic post
I keep telling people it would be different if it was OUR country being "liberated."If foreign soldiers came to my town yelling at us in a language we didn't understand, shooting us for not following orders and killing family and friends, I would KILL them if I could, NOT because I was an "insurgent," but because I'm an AMERICAN!This article puts it in perspective.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #12 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 11:37:36 PT
France Invades U.S.
France Invades U.S.Jerry GhinelliApril 11 2004 "ICH" -- After months of build up, the French government, led by Jacques Chirac, launched a preemptive attack on the United States of America.
Declaring the US "a rogue nation in violation of international law and in defiance of UN resolution 1441," France launched a major ground offensive to overturn what they called "the illegitimate regime of George W. Bush." Citing the 2000 election as proof of an unlawful government, the French claimed they are invading the US to bring democracy to the American people. Termed Operation American Freedom, Jacques Chirac declared on French National TV: "the failure of the US to disarm and the threats against France by the unelected president has created the need to invade America in order to protect us against the inevitable aggression by the US along with Bush's stockpiling of weapons of mass destruction. The US, he declared, was part of an axis of evil along with the United Kingdom and Israel.After a relentless bombing campaign termed "Le Shock e Le Awe," French along with a German coalition forces captured Washington DC and surrounding areas. German troops controlled territory from North Carolina to Florida.Chirac appointed Dominique de Villepin as interim president and established a governing council of Americans. The complete transition to the American leadership is scheduled to occur on June 30 2004. Made up of African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans, and a few white "Conservatives," this council will govern the newly liberated US beginning on July 1, 2004. Meanwhile, former President George W. Bush has been arrested after a tip led to his capture in a "spider hole" just outside of Crawford, Texas. Bush was met by French soldiers with the greeting: "Jacques Chirac sends his regards." The American informant received 25 million Euros for the information and was given French citizenship and a change of identity. The former undisclosed American citizen who revealed "W's" whereabouts was hailed as a hero by the French media. George W. Bush was in good health and seen on TV with a beard, long hair and his trademark cowboy hat. His daughters vanished and his wife's whereabouts are unknown. President Bush has vowed his innocence and declared the French invasion illegal.Meanwhile American Insurgents have fought the French army using guerrilla tactics and terrorist strikes. According to Chirac, these terrorists "hate freedom and will not succeed in our desire to bring peace, security and democracy to America." Chirac, when told of the upsurge in American resistance said: "Le' bring em on." In a recent event, American insurgents attacked an SUV carrying four French Foreign Legion Mercenaries. Dragged from their vehicle, the four Frenchmen were executed and dragged through the streets of Arlington, Virginia. Burned and hacked the French "contractors" were despicably hung from a bridge over the Potomac. The French government promised to "pacify" the American terrorists "at a time and place of our choosing."The French forces, equipped with helicopters, missiles and advanced weaponry, attacked Arlington, Virginia inflicting 490 American deaths and over 1000 injuries. Called operation Vigilant Resolve, the government of Jacques Chirac claimed the action was justified to avenge the killing and humiliation of the so-called French "contractors". Terrorism, Chirac declared, must be fought at all costs and France will never accept the approval of the anyone to protect it's citizens."Meanwhile back in the US , American insurgents have retaken Charlotte, Savannah and Jacksonville. Chirac, declared these terrorists will be defeated and the will of the French people is unshakable. Chirac, after landing on the French Aircraft Carrier Napoleon, and declaring, "Mission Accomplished," has admitted over 500 French soldiers have been killed and 3000 were wounded by the criminals and terrorists of "freedom hating" Americans. A spokesman for the Chirac announced today that Donald Rumsfeld has been captured but his detention remains classified. Donald Rumsfeld, the Ace of Diamonds in the Chirac's deck of cards, was the former Defense Secretary under the brutal undemocratic administration of George W. Bush. Rumsfeld, according to Chirac, was wanted "dead or alive". "The world today is a safer place with Rumsfeld in custody, "said Chirac.With the French death toll now surpassing 650 and the American death toll in the tens of thousands, according to Chirac, "all human life is precious, even sometimes American, but such is the price of freedom and democracy."In an extraordinary event, "High Priest" and former presidential candidate Pat Robertson declared today "Christian Jihad" against what he called the French "Atheists". Citing, "better to die as a martyr," Robertson appealed to all Christians to expel the French invaders and return the US to it's Christian traditions. Robertson has issued a "Fatwa" declaring the French "Atheists" as illegal invaders and to attack them with passion. "Jesus is Great," declared Robertson. The French government met in Paris this morning and declared Robertson an enemy of the American people and issued a warrant for his arrest.In a stunning new development, the French government announced an estimated 10,000 Americans have been detained by French, German, Bulgarian, Ukrainian and Polish coalition forces in newly built "rehabilitation" camp in West Virginia. Branded as "terrorists" these detainees, according to interim president de Villepin, are treated in accordance with Geneva Convention rules. However, he has denied the Red Cross or any human rights groups access to inspect living conditions in the West Virginia "rehabilitation" camp.Today Chirac and Schroeder issued a communiqu? announcing their scheduled meeting in Paris later this week to discuss the ever increasing terrorist violence in the the US. Chirac and Schroeder will discuss the transfer of power the American council on June 30 and how to combat the growing American insurgency.Chirac and Schroeder concluded their communiqu? stating: Vive la France and Deutschland Uber Alles. Copyright: Jerry Ghinelli jerryghinelli
France Invades U.S.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 11:37:08 PT
Two Part Series About Peru from Chicago Tribune
I haven't posted news about Peru in a long time. I archived these two articles because they seem important to me. Here are the link.Part I - Rescuing a Jewel in Peru: II - Preservation vs. Profit:
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Comment #10 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 11:27:47 PT
Nuevo Mexican
Can we arrest bush yet?Just last night a friend of mine asked 'Can we impeach him yet?'I answered "not until the courts rule that the shrub can't just make us disappear off the face of the earth."Nobody is safe from this maniac.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 11:27:22 PT
It is time for Bon Jovi to stand up. I hope he will.
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Comment #8 posted by Nuevo Mexican on April 12, 2004 at 11:24:18 PT
Reporting live from Iraq! We are now the media!
What you won't get from the Mainstream media:Americans Slaughtering Civilians in Fallujaby Dahr Jamail | Posted April 11, 2004 at 10:00 PM Baghdad time 
I knew there was very little media coverage in Falluja, and the entire city had been sealed and was suffering from collective punishment in the form of no water or electricity for several days now. With only two journalists there that I'd read and heard reports from, I felt pulled to go and witness the atrocities that were surely being committed.With the help of some friends, we joined a small group of internationals to ride a large bus there carrying a load of humanitarian supplies, and with the hopes of bringing some of the wounded out prior to the next American onslaught, which was due to kick off at any time now.
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Comment #7 posted by BGreen on April 12, 2004 at 11:21:23 PT
rocker Jon Bon Jovi
His picture is up in the Greenhouse Coffeeshop at Tolstraat 21 in Amsterdam, one of many celebrities photographed at the Greenhouse partaking in a cannabis sacrament.The time has come for rocker Jon Bon Jovi to speak out.The Reverend Bud green
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Comment #6 posted by Nuevo Mexican on April 12, 2004 at 11:21:01 PT
Why are we fighting the Iraqis? Global Domination!
Thanks for the comment FOM, nothing can stop bush now, he's on a roll, as he loves to kill, look at his death penalty record, and now the Iraqi people are in his cross hairs, he has lost the hearts and minds of the people everywhere, but who will stop him, certainly not the American people, we are so lame, I equate us with the German people who disbelieved that Hitler was really rounding up Jews and killing them, naw, it can't happen here!bush lies, and our soldiers die, now we've massacred 700 Iraqi Men, as well as lots of women and children! Can we arrest bush yet?Scale of Falluja violence emerges: unbelievable! in Fallujah Continues, Still no Ceasefire. 27 Pieces of Evidence that Show Rice Perjured Herself in Front of the 9/11 Commission: A Reference for Seekers of Truth
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 11:04:11 PT
My Serious Concerns
Last week it says that we lost 70 boys in Iraq. I mentioned on another thread a few days ago that the war is getting underway. I wasn't kidding because I don't kid about people getting killed. I watched a special about Laos and the secret war in Vietnam. The more I learn the more concerned I become. We have the Internet but will we have it for long? I don't mean that it will go away but we could get hacked or tracked. The draft will be back and then the war will really get underway. If you pray, pray for peace. We need Cannabis legalized just to cope with what is going on in the world in my opinion.***At Least 70 U.S. Troops Killed Since April 4 April 12, 2004BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- About 70 U.S.-led coalition troops and 700 Iraqi insurgents have been killed in fighting across Iraq since April 1, but there is no authoritative figure on Iraqi civilian deaths, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Monday.The head of Fallujah's hospital said a day earlier that 600 Iraqis -- mostly civilians -- were killed in the siege of that city alone.By an Associated Press count, at least 62 U.S. troops, two non-U.S. coalition soldiers and around 882 Iraqis have been killed across the country since April 4, including in Fallujah.Hospital director Rafie al-Issawi said most of the 600 dead in Fallujah were women, children and elderly. But he refused to give their exact numbers, saying that doing so would suggest that the remaining dead -- young, military-aged men -- were all insurgents, which he said was not the case.Al-Issawi told AP that the number was compiled from registries of bodies received by the Fallujah General Hospital and four main clinics. The registries had names or -- in unidentified cases -- the gender and description of the bodies, he said.Kimmitt's comments Monday were the first full casualty statistics released by the military since a bloody uprising by a radical Shiite militia started April 4 and U.S. forces began their siege against Sunni insurgents in Fallujah early April 5."The coalition casualties since April 1 run about 70 personnel. ... The casualty figures we have received from the enemy are somewhere about 10 times that amount, what we've inflicted on the enemy," Kimmitt told a news conference."In terms of civilian casualties, there is no reliable, authoritative figure out there. We would ask the Ministry of Health, once Iraqi control ... is allowed back in Fallujah, they can get a fair, honest and credible figure and not one that is somehow filtered through some of the local propaganda machines," he said.Iraqi national security adviser Mouwakaq al-Rubaie said the Health Ministry has no firm numbers of Iraqi dead from Fallujah.The AP count of coalition military deaths is based on a compilation of individual statements issued by the military.The count of about 880 Iraqis killed around the country is based on statements on individual incidents by the U.S. military, Iraqi police and hospital officials.Besides casualties in Fallujah, that toll includes an unknown number of Iraqi insurgents and militiamen, members of Iraqi security forces and civilians killed in fights between gunmen and coalition soldiers in various parts of the country.Bodies were being buried in two soccer fields in Fallujah. At one of the fields, visited by an AP reporter, freshly dug graves covered a large area, some with headstones indicating they were children or bearing women's names. A gravedigger at the city said more than 300 bodies had been buried there. The number at the second field was unknown.AP correspondent Abdul-Qader Saadi contributed to this report from Fallujah. Copyright: 2004, Newsday, Inc.,0,6244754.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on April 12, 2004 at 10:40:04 PT
Kerry Live Web Cast at 3:30 EDT
Hopefully our issues will be mentioned! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.****LIVE Webcast at 3:30pm Kicks Off Day 1Combining high-profile entertainment with voter registration and political organizing efforts, the Change Starts with U: Kerry Campus Tour 2004 marks the formal kick-off of Kerry’s outreach to college students. On the tour, the senator will highlight the new direction he offers America’s youth and outline his “Compact with the Next Generation,” Kerry’s vision for the country and challenge to the next generation of Americans to invest themselves in their communities. “We can turn this country around and move it in a new direction, but we can’t do it alone,” Kerry said. “That’s what this tour is about, empowering students and giving them a voice in this campaign.” Several notable celebrities, entertainers and high-profile Democrats will join Kerry on the tour including rocker Jon Bon Jovi, popular rock band Guster, Blink 182's Tom DeLonge, Senator Hillary Clinton and others.Kerry's College Tour starts at the University of NH today with special guests Guster & Fmr. Gov. Jeanne Shaheen. Watch the LIVE webcast, and tune in tonight for a special video re-cap produced by guest director Michael T. Miller. Check back at 3:30pm for the live webcast.
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Comment #3 posted by elfman_420 on April 12, 2004 at 10:35:23 PT
Obviously these people are completely clueless about network security. If the government "forces providers of high-speed Internet access to retool their networks to ease eavesdropping..." (for everyone) then they are making networks less secure so that ANYBODY can eavesdrop on even the most secure networks.Can't the government stay away from things they don't know about? like, 
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Comment #2 posted by jose melendez on April 12, 2004 at 10:13:06 PT
Meanwhile, in Russia . . .
Mad about stoned looking drink cows?
Forget Mad Cows
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Comment #1 posted by Shishaldin on April 12, 2004 at 10:08:06 PT
Great Scott!
"Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun Microsystems Inc., said in a recent interview that high-tech companies should be more willing to help police monitor communications between potential terrorists and other criminals."“Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility,” McNeely said. “I'm all in favor of making life harder for the bad guys.”Gee Scott, I guess you don't mind the Feds scrutinizing your webphone conference calls to your business partners, huh? Trade secrets? Don't worry 'bout a thing, Mr. McNeely, we're from the Government(TM). "We're here to help."I despise these so-called captains of high technology industry like Scott and Larry Ellison of Oracle. They're EVER so happy to give the keys to our privacy away to the Feds. As long as the cash keeps coming in...Disgusting.Peace and Strength,Shishaldin
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