cannabisnews.com: Whose Urine Is It? Whose Urine Is It? Posted by CN Staff on October 26, 2002 at 23:00:27 PT By Adam Liptak Source: New York Times Over the years, courts have developed a considerable body of jurisprudence on what may be done with a person's urine, but it is not entirely consistent. The cases tend to turn on whether people are working in sensitive jobs or are otherwise at high risk. Bus drivers, railroad employees, police officers, firefighters, customs agents and many students may be tested even though there is no particular reason to suspect them of using drugs. Candidates for high office in Georgia may not.The latest battleground is parenthood. Last week a federal appeal courts ruled that expectant parents and people with children may be required to submit to drug tests to receive welfare benefits in Michigan. The next day, another federal appeals court held that expectant mothers in South Carolina may not be tested for drugs to receive medical care.The United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, which decided the Michigan case, broke new ground in saying that having children, at least when receiving public assistance, is a "substantial public safety concern." The court added that aid recipients could always decline to take the tests, though they would also have to give up the benefits.In the South Carolina case, on the other hand, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held that expectant mothers could not be tested because "the choice to be searched or to forego necessary medical treatment is the antithesis of free choice."The two cases differed in one significant way. The South Carolina hospital was working with the police, and some women were arrested based on the test results. The Michigan program has no criminal component.But both cases involved poor people seeking government money. The women in South Carolina were all insured by Medicaid, and they went to the only hospital in the area that accepted it. Graham A. Boyd, one of the lawyers for the Michigan plaintiffs, said the two courts ultimately disagreed on the price the government may extract from people for accepting its services. The Sixth Circuit, he said, in effect ruled that "you can only participate in a program if you agree to be treated as a second-class citizen."Source: New York Times (NY)Author: Adam LiptakPublished: October 27, 2002Copyright: 2002 The New York Times Company Contact: letters nytimes.com Website: http://www.nytimes.com/ Related Articles & Web Site:ACLUhttp://www.aclu.org/ Drug Tests For Welfare Recipients Upheld http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14500.shtmlCannabisNews Drug Testing Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/drug_testing.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #2 posted by p4me on October 27, 2002 at 01:15:52 PT Awesomelessness by the New York Times I am underwhelmed completely. I just do not know what to think of such worthliness. Why not combine two worthless articles like this and come up with something different. Pay some kid at New York City University to write some graduate papers for you. The Partial News We Print in The Times tradition should not want such rubbish. I thing they should pay someone for a term paper or have a campus contest at New York City University. Or copy something worthwhile from YellowTimes. Just fire the parrots at the Times that bring us all the lies and silence of the CIA and the $4 billion a month, the secrets of $4 billion a month dropping uranium on the Afgans and use YellowTimes. I bet even people from AlterNet would donate some of there material. Especially on Prilosec issue they covered way back on July 9th. It would still be new to most of the Times Readers. Alternet did an excellent piece on MTBE. Dan Forbes recited the crimes of the government against the people in ballot iniatives this November 5th.The Times is pathetic. Awesomelessness at its best.You know it seems like the Jamaicans would have medical marijuana. They sure cannot afford any American medice. Besides a lot of it is addictive and makes you sick. If the Jamacians would just come to their senses and just get all the stems and seeds and coat it wih sugar and call it medicine.The anti-propaganda will grow when 50 million people with chronic injuries grows. I mean chronic means those 50 million people will be that way the rest of their lives. So their are more people that are joining that number daily as America's productivity rises and more become disabled. There are going to be lots of people say I will try anything for this arthritis.Cannabis will find the pain. People are going to beg for cannabis. Wait a second. They have ben demanding loud and clear since 1996. Cannabis has damned well proven itself. The government does day in and day out. And here again we see the Times proving themselves dismal at real journalism. The corruption is so ingrained it withstands the opinon of 3 in 4 Americans. Couldn't the Times write about that?I really wonder what it means when a workable medical program is in place. Like if you were on a Jamaican boat and wanted marijuana. We know how safe a medicine marijuana is and it is time leaders started acting like real adults. But this I say to the choir, Cannabis will find the pain. Come on Jamaica. Come on Canada. Come on Holland and bring the boat. You know Holland had to bring in stones to build their dikes. I often wonder if it was a trade secret of the Dutch to carry rocks to steady the ship. Anyway let's get that Dutch medicine and that Dutch Ship overhere. Carry back some stoners.Free Cannabis For Everyone, you all.1 [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by DdC on October 27, 2002 at 01:45:05 PT Really Dumb People Need to Sample Urine... The white powders can show up + from over the counter meds, speed. Cocaine Cola? Poppy seeds bring false morphine readings. Cannabis stays in the system weeks so if stopping unsafe conditions is the concern. Its bogus. Booze isn't included nor are Pharmaceuticals. Thugczars profits on the testing and more bennies for the whining cops, and courts to feed the prison industrial complex or forced rehab asylums. Earth to D.E.A.th monkeys. If they walk like their inebriated, talk or work like their inebriated, then deal with it. If you can't tell then don't ask. And never play with piss!DdCFIT 2000 non-invasive 30-second impairment test is directly relevant to employers interested in high quality, exacting, detail work, as well as general safety and quality, without violating the privacy of the employee. http://www.pmifit.com/pmifit2.htmlRichard Rose alerted us to big brother's most recent actions against our nutritional use of the cannabis plant: Since urine testing equipment can't tell whether someone has eaten hemp seeds or smoked a joint, congress is working to make sure the law can't tell the difference either. This is an important issue to follow and get active on!B154 Bans Piss Test Adulterants http://www.canorml.org/leg/ab154.html Assembly Committee Approves Bill to Ban Manufacture of Drug Testing Adulterants - AB 154 SACRAMENTO. The Assembly Public Safety Committee has approved a bill to ban drug testing aids. The bill, AB 154 by Assemblyman George Runner (R-Lancaster), would make it a misdemeanor to manufacture, sell or advertise "any substance with the specific intent to produce a false negative drug test result." Time To Just Say No To Suspension Of Constitution http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9968.shtmlThe Hype: Brain Damage and Dead Monkeys http://www.jackherer.com/book/ch15.htmlGeorge Bush, appointed Carlton Turner as the White House Drug (czar) Advisor in 1981. Soon after Turner left office, Nancy Reagan recommended that no corporation be permitted to do business with the Federal government without having a urine purity policy in place to show their loyalty. Just as G. Gordon Liddy went into high-tech corporate security after his disgrace, Carlton Turner became a rich man in what has now become a huge growth industry: urine-testing. ACS - Division of Analytical Chemistry - DAC Awards - John P. Walters 1980This kind of business denies the basic rights of privacy, self-incrimination (Fifth Amendment) rights, unreasonable search and seizure, and the presumption of innocence (until proven guilty). Submission to the humiliation of having your most private body parts and functions observed by a hired voyeur is now the test of eligibility for private employment, or to contract for a living wage. PDFA:DARE FRC Slickly Packaged Lies http://www.jackherer.com/book/ch14.html * Some of the teachers we talked to find themselves in the uncomfortable position of knowing the real studies, or have used cannabis themselves and know its effects, but cannot openly present their case for fear of being urine tested or dismissed. 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