cannabisnews.com: Canadian Drugs Fund Terrorism, Official Says Canadian Drugs Fund Terrorism, Official Says Posted by CN Staff on August 13, 2002 at 07:06:32 PT By Colin Freeze Source: Globe and Mail A top U.S. official says violent Middle Eastern groups are reaping the profits of an illicit cross-border drug trade — one involving a cold-medication ingredient that is bought legally in Canada before it is cooked up into illegal street drugs south of the border.The head of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Asa Hutchinson, said a North American methamphetamine racket is financing terror in the Middle-East. "It's the first time we've seen drug proceeds going back from the United States to a terrorist organization," Mr. Hutchinson told The Washington Post in remarks published Monday.In recent interviews, Mr. Hutchinson has singled out Hezbollah, the radical Lebanon-based group responsible for hundreds of bombing deaths, as a prime benefactor. By some accounts, millions of dollars have been moved overseas to fund terrorism. Mr. Hutchinson did not put a precise figure on the amount of money involved in the cold ingredient.Canada figures in the alleged scheme because, compared to the United States, it has relatively lax controls on a chemical called pseudoephedrine.In recent years, huge amounts of the ingredient — what law enforcement calls a "precursor chemical" — have been confiscated at the border. U.S. officials said much of the ingredient reaches California and Mexico, where it is mixed with other chemicals to form methamphetamine, also known as speed.In the United States, evidence of a conspiracy involving more than 100 people to import the ingredient to make speed has been outlined in criminal complaints. Mr. Hutchinson said the Middle Eastern men accused of being behind the scheme are funnelling money to Hezbollah.Some observers — especially defence lawyers — said Mr. Hutchinson's remarks are inflammatory and way off base.The RCMP said it has not found evidence of such a conspiracy in Canada where the substance moves relatively freely.After intense U.S. lobbying, Canada is reining in the pseudoephedrine trade. The government expects to have stricter controls in place by January, with Health Canada licensing firms that have legitimate interests in producing the substance.The pressure has also affected the private sector. At a recent news conference, U.S. officials named two Quebec companies, Frega Inc. and Formulex Inc., as major sources of legally bought but illegally imported pseudoephedrine.Contacted Monday, a spokeswoman for Formulex said the company was unaware of the problem until the concerns brought visits from the RCMP and reporters. "We altogether dropped making pseudoephedrine," she said.The firm may sell the ingredient again, but only to companies sanctioned by Health Canada.Despite the imminent regulations, some U.S. officials want Canada to move faster. Seizures continue at the border.In June, the U.S. Customs Service seized 21 million pseudoephedrine tablets at a Michigan border point. The pills were in boxes labelled fragile, within a truck that was going to California. Investigators said the ingredients were headed for sophisticated and illegal methamphetamine labs.Michigan officials said they have made nine such seizures in the past year. In January, U.S. officials publicly named Canada as a source of the ingredient while announcing the arrests of dozens of suspects in a methamphetamine investigation called Mountain Express III. At the time, investigators said many of the charged men were of Middle Eastern origin but were run-of-the-mill criminals."There is no indication of a terrorist connection to any of these operations," Mr. Hutchinson said then. However, he added that officials were still trying to follow the money trail.By April, Mr. Hutchinson appears to have re-evaluated the situation. He told a Los Angeles Times reporter that some of the methamphetamine money had been sent to the Middle East. "Portions of that are going to support terrorist organizations," such as Hezbollah, he said.Defence and prosecution sides in California, where more than 35 men have been indicted in a scheme, have expressed skepticism about terrorist links. Nothing in the formal criminal complaint mentions Hezbollah or the Middle East.Still, the California indictment paints a picture of a sophisticated operation, whose agents do business in the parking lots of fast-food restaurants and Las Vegas hotel rooms to move shipments worth millions of dollars.In one case, 500 boxes of pseudoephedrine are alleged to have sold for $154,000 (U.S.).None of the indicted men in California are known have come from Canada.Citing unnamed officials, The Washington Post reported Monday that "Arab gangs in Canada" are said to be responsible for trucking the pseudoephedrine into the United States.A spokesman for the RCMP said Monday that the force has seen no evidence of this — not least because the movement of the controversial ingredient is uninhibited."It's not illegal in Canada. The illegal activities probably happen at the border or on the U.S. ground," said Corporal Benoît Desjardins. "So it's left to U.S. administration to see if there are illegal activities and where the money goes."He said the RCMP monitors the situation and works with U.S. agencies, including the DEA. Asked about the terrorism angle, "we have no evidence of that here in Canada," he said.Hezbollah is said to have figured in a cross-border scheme involving smuggled cigarettes.Last winter, Canadian intelligence agents testified in a North Carolina case in which the accused were said to use Canadian and Middle East ties to funnel money and military equipment to Hezbollah. The investigation was known as Operation Smokescreen.From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Source: Globe and Mail (Canada)Author: Colin FreezePublished: Tuesday, August 13, 2002Copyright: 2002 The Globe and Mail CompanyContact: letters globeandmail.caWebsite: http://www.globeandmail.ca/CannabisNews DEA Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/DEA.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #148 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 05:28:02 PT ..I knew you were gonna say that!.. ...and I thought about mentioning it as a qualification.....it's true,,you were not "wrong".........I gotta get me one of them disclaimer things. [ Post Comment ] Comment #147 posted by BGreen on August 15, 2002 at 05:21:20 PT Right answer, just not the one you were after The Smithereens 1986 album had that song on it. There's also a band called "Wall Of Sleep." And don't "beep" at me.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work. [ Post Comment ] Comment #146 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 05:14:13 PT ...BEEP......sorry,,,wrong answer ...I believe you will find Wall of Sleep on the first Black Sabbath album,,"Black Sabbath"....,,an album which I would highly recommend to anybody who might like it...in my opinion,,the album is an immortal mega-classic!. [ Post Comment ] Comment #145 posted by BGreen on August 15, 2002 at 04:56:36 PT And the answer is: Behind the Wall of Sleep The Smithereens: Especially for You [ Post Comment ] Comment #144 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 04:35:35 PT ...gotta ramble a lil' more..about dreams.. ...I think dreams are almost indescribably delicious!....I have gone so far,,as to experiment with dreams.... I have found ways to make myself have dreams... I discovered it from a time when I was really depressed,and going through some bad situations...things were so fucked,that I didnt want to get up after a full nights sleep..I would try to hide behind the 'Wall of Sleep',(*)..For me,,the big time epic dreams always seem to kick in after I've already had a bunch of sleep...I always write down a dream on paper,or mentally as soon as possible,because the details become more fuzzy quite soon if I dont.....there are many different types of dreams..like the one you described Indy,,where while you're dreaming,,you sorta know it's a dream,,,and then there is the opposite,,,where you have no idea it's a dream,,(the stuff nightmares are made of),or sometimes you are not sure if it's a dream or not,,..I refer to some dreams as "epics"..these are the really long involved ones where you go through some long ordeal or journey....dreams are the Theater of the Mind!,,provided free of charge,,by your brain,and whatever other mystical influences one believes might be there... time to change threads,,,,this ones full.. (*)...name that band [ Post Comment ] Comment #143 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 03:18:50 PT ........ b-4 eye gawt into unothadocks punkchewayshun,.eye yoosed 2 du this cray-Z sortuv fonetic spelling thing... eye de-sidud it wuz 2 awk-wurd 2 reed,sew eye stawpd dewing it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #142 posted by Industrial Strength on August 15, 2002 at 03:09:41 PT I had a dream that I got busted last night. A woman cop, she just gave me a business card sized ticket. It was one of those things where you know it's a dream as it's happening. Dreams are strange things. Your imagination at its max. Isn't that such a great feeling when you wake up from a terrible dream? That's bliss. [ Post Comment ] Comment #141 posted by BGreen on August 15, 2002 at 03:00:00 PT Unorthodox Punctuation .... Nah People would be yelling "You Pee, You Pee." That's a cannabis smokers' worst nightmare. LOLDISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work. [ Post Comment ] Comment #140 posted by BGreen on August 15, 2002 at 02:56:11 PT That's what editors are for It doesn't matter how good you are, there's always an editor waiting to rewrite your thoughts.I usually got away with my words verbatim (punctuation is a different story,) but I was told to rewrite a couple of times. [ Post Comment ] Comment #139 posted by Industrial Strength on August 15, 2002 at 02:56:02 PT Unorthodox Punctuation would be a good name for a band.Sometimes I will pick up a scrap of paper where I have jotted something down and forgotten about it, and it's genuinely good. Sometimes I read my own stuff and it makes me shudder and cringe. I feel self concious about even wanting to be a writer. [ Post Comment ] Comment #138 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 02:47:34 PT ..I aint no writer... ..and I love dogs.......I wish I was a real writer,,but I couldn't take the pressure and hassle.... so.. I've found that I have my best luck if I just pretend I am a writer..and try to keep writing(?)...and use unorthodox punctuation so no one thinks I'm really trying to pass myself off as an actual real "writer". [ Post Comment ] Comment #137 posted by Industrial Strength on August 15, 2002 at 02:32:35 PT I would like to be a writer. Normally what I write isn't so choppy and sloppy. It seems everyone and their dog wants to be a writer. I guess that would make me a friend of the dog. [ Post Comment ] Comment #136 posted by qqqq on August 15, 2002 at 02:26:24 PT ..no editing needed Indy ..that was a goody!...It warmed my heart!....It brought back pleasant memories...... [ Post Comment ] Comment #135 posted by Industrial Strength on August 15, 2002 at 02:10:08 PT that anecdote could sure as hell use some editing. [ Post Comment ] Comment #134 posted by Industrial Strength on August 15, 2002 at 02:03:14 PT Construction I spent a summer building swimming pools. Everyone I worked with smoked pot. On my first day, I was riding with this guy Dave to the job site and he pulled out a pack of cigarettes. "Do you smoke?""Yea""Here, have a cigarette...Do you smoke anything else?"I didn't know what to say. He could be someone who doesn't like potheads very much, let alone be on a job site with someone who might be stoned. I didn't want to seem like a square though, so I settled on "Not before work." I figured that covered most of the bases.He replied, "Not before work? Well, I guess it's your first day."Something that's not fun to do while high is grind stone. The awfuly, gritty dust that clouds around you and is nearly impossible to get out of your hair. It's tough on your wrists and forearms if you have to do it for any length of time.Even the crew boss, another guy named Dave who everyone called Gramps, smoked. Tall and lanky, deeply tanned with curly blonde hair and a pleasant horse face. Once we were working and I had to go back to the van for another mask and the air was thick with the smell. He was standing behind the van with his fist conspicuously closed. "What are you smiling at?" he asked. "You know what I'm smiling at" "You want some?" So, he relit his joint and we hurridly smoked it. He looked at me and said, in that childlike tone that creeps into most high peoples voices at times, "Now you can't tell on me."Anyway, that's my anecdote. [ Post Comment ] Comment #133 posted by dddd on August 15, 2002 at 01:25:08 PT ..thank you Toker00... ..I appreciate the appreciation.......I'm glad you recognized my degree....I said I am a psychiatrist..I made no mention of having a degree....I have several degrees,...it took many years to earn them,but they are all self bestowed....After reading massive quantities in my younger days,,,and experiencing alot of major heavy shit..I finally,,somewhat reluctantly ,,decided to award myself some degrees.......Perhaps we could say that they are degrees that are only valid in the minds of the beholders...(?)...I have similar degrees in music and art...and I worked my through The Assbuster Institute of Construction Work,,and moved on to get my Masters degree in Fine Woodworking....My Dad was a building contractor who did custom homes,and remodeling,,had a cabinet shop.,,so I got that Phd on the 'earn while you learn' program................. ...the long and the short of all this,,,is that the last time I wore a "cap and gown",,was when I graduated from high school in 1974,,,that's the only "sheepskin" I have....I'll never forget that occassion....I didnt even want to go to the graduation ceremony in that stupid rayon cap and gown...after I got my diploma,,I returned to my seat,,,a little later,,when they were anouncing some awards,,me and a couple of friends were on our way to out behind the gym,,,sneaking out to celebrate with a big ol' reefer......we were almost out the door,when the announcement ...:.."the award for outstanding acheivement in choral music goes to dddd.".....fuck,,I turned white as a ghost,,and then brite red!..I had played guitar with "The Melloaires",(no joke),,..they were the 12 member,,all jock chamber choir,,who performed shit like .."Beautiful Ballon",,"One Tin Soldier",,and "Brians Song",,,It was all jocks,,and jock-chicks,,and there were some prissy,uptight soloist singing guys and girls who were hotly competing for this award..I never sang a note,,I was a shitty singer..all I did was play the guitar,,and the choir director decided to throw a curveball,,and bestow the award on me!....I was shocked,,stunned,and delighted...it was really weird,and funny,,because the door that I was about to sneak out of was right up front by the stage..I had already taken off the cap and gown,revealing a leather vest with no shirt,and some old 501s...some asshole who was working the spotlite zeroed right in on me like some escaping prisoner,,I looked up like a deer in the headlites on a dark highway,,,everyone started laughing and heckling and clapping...fuck!..I pretended I was normal,,and walked on up to the stage to nervously accept the award.....the real capper of the whole absurd,, unforgettable,,surrealistic event,,was when I was walking off the stage,, this girl who had thought sure that she was going to recieve the award caused a big scene,,,,she flipped out and threw some weird-ass tantrum, ,crying, ,yelling and making a big scene!.....I felt kinda bad,,,yet proud......the next day,,I felt sorry for her,,so I offered to let her have the award....that made her REALLY mad,and she flipped out again. ...She avoided me at the 10 year class reunion...she had become extremely plump,and was married to this really nice short oriental guy..... ........I guess I've written enough for now.........indeedddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #132 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 23:31:32 PT I'd play 33 1/3 lp's at 16 on an old record player It slowed it down by half, but it dropped everything down an octave. That, mixed with the psychedelics I used to use, made learning other players' licks a trip. LOL [ Post Comment ] Comment #131 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 23:19:35 PT .....................(?)..... ..I like that Kenny G story BGreen.....Michelangelo...Kandinsky...Rubens..Klee...art is in the eye of the beholder...music is in the ear of the beholder....Mona Lisa looks better with a beard.. ...and....on the subject of headphones,,,,,,I have been really into music all my life,,and I am a nite-owl........good headphones are a worthwhile investment...years ago,,I bought a set of $400.00 SONY headphones..they were awesome...I used them so much,,I had to replace the earpads,,,,,,then,,about 5 years ago,,my drunken cousin dropped them into a hot tub!...I was not happy .... I made him feel so guilty,that he bought another set..that are even better than my old ones......nothing compares to a set of good headphones for those who like listening to enjoy their favorite music!......Headphones are like sonic syringes that inject sound directly into the brain and skull of the user...that is something that makes them almost dangerous..you can listen to music at concert levels,,and no one knows..it's between you and the headphones,,,music becomes a very personal experience,,and sonic nuances of recordings become well defined.......besides their potential for blasting out your ears,(..I've always been afraid I'd break one of those tiny hammers or stirrups that ears have).....earphones make me nervous sometimes ,,because late at night,,I'm by myself in my studio,,and I keep imagining,,or thinking I hear someone knocking at my door,,,or someone yelling "fire...fire!!!".....I use headphones so much,,that I have a light that flashes when my telephone rings!........I only have Pink Floyd on those old 12" black CDs,,and I dont think I can find my old 12" CD black CD player turntable,,,,so,,I'm going to put on my headphones,,and see how a digitally re-mastered Third Stone From The Sun sounds........ P.S...[...there are millions of people who have NEVER listened to music on a turntable!... they have never set the needle into a groove of black wax,,and heard that distant hiss and scrackle or 33and a third,,or better yet,,45!......or witnessed the mechanically marvelous motions of a record changer with a stack of LPs on it in a smoke filled room with a black lite on,,and walls covered with black light posters,,listening to Spirit,,and Quicksilver Messenger Service...Wishbone Ash...Uriah Heep...Cream,,,,,, . WHOA,,,I think I'm havin' a fuckin' flashback!....Far Out!...........dqpb [ Post Comment ] Comment #130 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 22:45:46 PT Austin is a cool place, but ..... make sure the club has air conditioning, or go in the winter.The Paradiso in Amsterdam was an oven, and that was the end of May, and then his gigs in Texas have been mainly outdoors and in un-airconditioned venues.He probably visualizes his Salt Lake City Olympics performance outdoors in the freezing cold. LOL [ Post Comment ] Comment #129 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 22:38:23 PT I'll pass I like Willie but not that much. Maybe a club in Austin sometime. I heard he still does small shows once in awile [ Post Comment ] Comment #128 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 22:30:11 PT Willie did a Picnic Aug. 3rd in Selma, TX a suburb of San Antonio.I'd like to suggest Willie NOT do these picnics when it's a thousand degrees with a relative humidity of 100%.Jeesh, Texas is rather uncomfortable in the summer. [ Post Comment ] Comment #127 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 22:26:40 PT bbbb Now you are complete, dddd bbbb pppp qqqq. There are no other letters in the alphabet that align and oppose so completely. Now your psyche can be bad, good, middle of the road, or just indifferent.Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth. Thanks, dddd. Your psychiatric degree is paying off.Pink Floyd was the band who made getting high understandable. It sort of gave my mind a place to expand TO. "Wish you were here" is the album I listened to on my way home from being discharged from the Army. I never looked back. Brings back some damn fine memories.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #126 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 22:25:17 PT Talking about buses and cowboys Ken Kesey and 2nd Further bus where cruzing around Oregon not too many years back. Got to shake hands and talk to the original 'merry prankster' . Talk about your space cowboys! [ Post Comment ] Comment #125 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 22:17:21 PT Yeh, I saw Willie and Wayon with the the rest of the Outlaws in Vancouver B.C. once that was a great show. And Willie by himself a couple times. I'd like to see him in Texas sometime at one of those picnics if they still do them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #124 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 22:15:52 PT BGreen Shaking his hand and getting on the bus is the best because that's a once in a lifetime real event. [ Post Comment ] Comment #123 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 22:10:05 PT The Concert may have been better but it didn't cost me anything to get on his bus. Shaking his hand and talking to him was priceless. [ Post Comment ] Comment #122 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 22:04:23 PT Willie or Floyd? Not sure who I like better. These days I might take the bus instead of the UFO [ Post Comment ] Comment #121 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 22:01:29 PT Boo hoo, sadness, hopelessness, pity me I've never seen Pink Floyd live. (Wait a minute, happy memories entering brain.)I've been on Willie Nelsons' bus, though. (Tears wiped away, replaced with my normal perma-grin.) LOL [ Post Comment ] Comment #120 posted by goneposthole on August 14, 2002 at 21:55:58 PT Abbie Hoffman Didn't he say, "Revolution for the hell of it."?Yippie.Peace for the hell of it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #119 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 21:55:49 PT Didn't Widespread Panic do a Floyd cover? can't recall the tune but it got a fair amount of air play a couple years back. [ Post Comment ] Comment #118 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 21:52:05 PT Remixes aren't always blasphemous When Kenny G released a CD of Louis Armstrong songs with Kennys' sax parts overdubbed, there was such an outrage in the jazz community (comparing it to painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa,) that I thought I was going to hear "Oh my God, somebody killed Kenny!" LOLThe problem with that sentiment is that a whole bunch of people bought that CD and loved it. I can see both sides.I have a remix CD of Diana Ross songs that I like better than the originals.My favorite rap CD is Us3 "Hand on the Torch." They had access to original Blue Note Records master tapes, and I think that CD kicks ass. Some critics said people should forget this and listen to the originals, but I say listen to both. It's cool listening to Herbie Hancock or Grant Green and hearing the part sampled on the Us3 CD in its original context. Old or new, they both groove.I'll keep my eye out for that Pink Floyd remix. [ Post Comment ] Comment #117 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 21:48:25 PT First heard Floyd when stero headphones new too! Didn't see them till their last tour (divison bell). Without Waters, but riding my bike around the hills above the Rose Bowl. I thought I was watchings a UFO in the caynon. Went in to see the show the next night flew away! [ Post Comment ] Comment #116 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 21:29:42 PT Pink Floyd Concert Pink Floyd had a pay per view concert a few years ago on the satellite and it was the most incredible concert I ever saw. What a show! Can't remember the name of it though. [ Post Comment ] Comment #115 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 21:29:27 PT Shine on you crazy diamond A generation gap bridge (although I guess you might consider it blasphemous) is the Orb's trance remix of that song. [ Post Comment ] Comment #114 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 21:25:27 PT When "Wish You Were Here" came out I was almost 13, and I was at a friends' house. She told me to put on the headphones, and played the introduction to "Welcome To The Machine," which is right where "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" fades out.That was one of the most incredible musical experiences I ever had. Stereo imaging was an unknown entity to the young BGreen, so when I had this sound traveling from one ear, across my head to the other ear, then bouncing back and forth, I freaked out. It was SO cool. It's even better with the fidelity of compact discs.Wow, flash-back city. [ Post Comment ] Comment #113 posted by bbbb on August 14, 2002 at 21:24:23 PT i will go so far as to say that pink floyd concerts are one of the best shows of all! and their music speaks for itself. thanx for the welcome fom. im kind of shy, being that im new here and all. [ Post Comment ] Comment #112 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 21:13:47 PT Hey bbbb welcome to C News! LOL! That's nice to know. [ Post Comment ] Comment #111 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 21:12:41 PT Industrial Strength Pink Floyd is my husband favorite band. I really like them but I'm still a Moody Blues type person. [ Post Comment ] Comment #110 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 21:10:55 PT Pink Floyd Have to be about the best band in the Universe. [ Post Comment ] Comment #109 posted by bbbb on August 14, 2002 at 21:08:52 PT good news! industrial strength and toker00 both just emailed me and they each asked if i would mind conveying their apologies to each other in my first post. sorry industrial strength sorry toker00 isnt that nice? [ Post Comment ] Comment #108 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 21:03:11 PT well I enjoy talking to people with differing opinions. If everyone agreed, what would be the point of talking? This is one instance where I in fact initiated nothing (I know, I know "he started it!" bah, oh well). I'm all for making peace, but that will come only with an apology attached. [ Post Comment ] Comment #107 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 20:59:37 PT ..all I got to say... ..is that BGreens disclaimer should be required at the end of everyones comments!.. ...then,,no one would have to worry about saying the wrong little word that made someone else offended or mad!.....calm down Indy....I know Toker00....he's a nice old bitter guy like me,,who is not out to intentionally fuck with anyone,,,and calm down Toker00,,,,we were young once,,we are older and more grumpy now...we should try and cut people some slack...they will understand why we are the way we are,when they get older,,and they have faced all the raw,,brutal realities and events that our old asses have endured....you too BGreen.....I think we should cut some slack to younger people....I'll bet Indy's never even been in jail..(?).... ...I will admit to having a slight facinination with this sort of complex bantering,,,(I have perpetrated it many times myself,,,I probably set a bad example.(?)),,,,,,,but ,,,,,,,,in the long run,,it is not usually very heathy,or productive to get into micro managing comments that were assumed to be out of line,or offensive.........I'm not trying to say that there is anything wrong with standing up for ones self,if you feel that some one has gone too far in talkin' shit about you,,,but I agree with FoM,and Schmeff,,,it becomes a bit disturbing when things get kinda ugly,,,especially amongst friends..... ...It's true that the comments here have started to deviate more from the articles,,(I'm really guilty.),, but I think there is nothing wrong with going off topic,,,and there's nothing wrong with a robust debate,or intensive discourse,,,,it just isnt that good when it starts getting into tit for tat bantering about issues of personal besmirchments,,real or imaginedddd.. [ Post Comment ] Comment #106 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 20:35:58 PT Bad Boys Bad Boys Whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when I come for you! I couldn't resist! I'm gone now. Off to look for news. [ Post Comment ] Comment #105 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 20:34:44 PT wow even more proof! [ Post Comment ] Comment #104 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 20:33:50 PT also How am I being defensive? More proof. [ Post Comment ] Comment #103 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 20:32:46 PT AWWW INDY.... Don't shut up. I even looked up PATRONIZING, just for you. I always thought patronizing meant kissing someone's ass. That seemed to be the context you put it in. That's not what I was doing. Just trying to find a middle ground, that's all. But since you won't be saying anything else now, or forever, I guess the point is moot.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #102 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 20:32:40 PT lol Seriously, I won't degenerate this thread into a series of flames. Toker can say whatever he likes. All I did was disagree with him and then he attacks me? If he can ask to "tone down my rhetoric" surely I can ask him to be less patronizing without invoking such a childish response? [ Post Comment ] Comment #101 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 20:05:42 PT Yeah, right, Industrial Strength The chances of you shutting up are as slim as the chances of me shutting up.NEVER, NEVER, er, I mean, No way, dude.DISCLAIMER: The preceding statement was presented as a joke, solely for entertainment purposes. Any resemblance to an actual person or persons was unintentional, and no offense was meant to anyone. No animals were harmed during the creation or the presentation of this comedic work. [ Post Comment ] Comment #100 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:55:00 PT I know I have much to learn. I have also learned at this moment to in fact embrace my arrogance. Oh, and I am arrogant. Believe you me. I also know that I am so far out of your league, and that is why you don't understand.And there's proof to boot! "You completely mistook patronizing, for trying to meet you halfway"And that's all I have to say. Now and forever. [ Post Comment ] Comment #99 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 19:52:26 PT Thanks, FoM I'm very proud of my garden. I'm afraid of the gov't, too, but I've lived in fear and silence for so many years that I've decided it's not worth it. The silence perpetuates the problem, so from now on, I'm Loud, I'm Proud and I grow and smoke my own cannabis. [ Post Comment ] Comment #98 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 19:52:11 PT You have a lot to learn, Indy... I don't know what it is like to be "completely outclassed" by a teeny bopper. It hasn't happened yet. That is just your little ego thinking it has.You completely mistook patronizing, for trying to meet you halfway. If you don't want me to do that, I have no problem with it. Now I know why you think someone might think of you as an idiot. I'm not calling you one, but I see why you might think that.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #97 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:48:10 PT I couldn't get mad at you if I tried, B Green. ooo's a boo. [ Post Comment ] Comment #96 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 19:45:59 PT Please don't get mad at me, Industrial Strength I think this is the "rhetoric" explanation.I'm just kidding around, trying to keep things light. Not so much with what I'm saying but how I'm saying it. I wouldn't want anyone to get offended and storm off in a huff...If you enjoy this dialog or squabbling, whatever you want to call it, keep it up. Some people enjoy this type of thing. Just remember what I said about how hopeless it sometimes feels living in the USA. Any animal gets defensive when they're cornered and threatened, regardless of their age. [ Post Comment ] Comment #95 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:45:08 PT immature mentality Your the one who drags a difference in opinion to a mundane, profane flame. Turning a phrase which has seen far better days, which a 14 year old in a chatroom barely plays. A ridiculous threat which you have no way to make good, here comes Toker, there goes the neighborhood. [ Post Comment ] Comment #94 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 19:35:31 PT BGreen I wouldn't tell you not too. I am very reserved because I fear the government. That's just for me it doesn't have to be for you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #93 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:33:33 PT also "It's his sarcasm and arrogance that discolor his obvious quest for answers. That will pale with age and life experience."That is also pretty damn patronizing.You enjoy cliches, don't you? [ Post Comment ] Comment #92 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 19:31:47 PT My Explaination Talking about illegal activities in a public forum would worry me to no end. This web site is read by many people. With the way life has become in the USA since 9-11 I'd be very cautious. We aren't like Canada or the UK.If you're telling me to be quiet, I will. I'd like to tell my point of view on this matter.I was injured a number of years ago and as a result I saw a bunch of different doctors, and took a number of different prescription medications. Nothing worked. I was broke, in pain, and no longer of interest to the medical community because I didn't have insurance.Cannabis helped and still does. I need it, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'm a gardener and botanist, I'm self-supporting and self-employed, and I haven't done ONE thing in the past 15 years to support or encourage any illegal drug trade or profiteering.If people see that I'm an intelligent and compassionate person who happens to grow and smoke his own medicine, then I think I'm helping the cause instead of hurting it.I'm at peace with my God, and I believe I'm doing what God has instructed me to do. It is Gods' gift to humankind, and we're not criminals just because some stupid people have said so.Every person that admits to using cannabis for any reason is in violation of US Federal law, and accused of supporting terrorist activity, so admitting that nobody profits from my consumption should be beneficial, not detrimental, to our cause. [ Post Comment ] Comment #91 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:31:28 PT how does it feel to be completely outclassed by a teeny bobber?"You are heading in the right direction with your questioning and desire to learn the truth. Tone down your rhetoric a bit, and you could become a good activist. I wish you the best in your search for truth."That is pretty God damned patronizing if you ask me. [ Post Comment ] Comment #90 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 19:31:15 PT Industrial Strength When I think of how C News is growing I worry about normal growing pains. I really try my best to be fair. Articles are talking points. When I think of what makes C News unique I think of all of you who add so much to the page. I don't like when you fight with one another but I can't stop you. You are adults and I know if you all got together for a visit you would just enjoy each others company very much. Different opinions are what make for a good and balanced ( sound like O'Reilly Now LOL ) news web page. I do my best to find articles that are of interest and importance then what happens in discussion from that point is up to all of you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #89 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 19:28:55 PT Sure. How's this? F**k off. You obviously failed to recognize my attempt to ignore your immature mentality. Every post you make is DEFENSIVE. What are you so afraid of? I try to meet you halfway, and put aside the personal attacks, and you respond like some teeny-bopper. Oh, that's right, you ARE a teeny-bopper. I hope you are still posting here in five years. Your maturity in five years will amaze you.Now. Try REAL hard to post something that is NOT a personal attack. Comment #73 was a good start. Go from there. If you attack me personally again, I will verbally rip your head off and shit down your neck. No more patronizing.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #88 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:24:00 PT more clowning! I sort of look at the comments section alot different than I look at the articles. Sometimes I feel like commenting on the article itself, but I would only be telling people what they already know. I like commenting on comments, hopefully some sort of intresting debate gets sparked. [ Post Comment ] Comment #87 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 19:22:46 PT OopS I thought you might have forgotten you registered it and couldn't remember your password! Didn't mean to foil your plans. I didn't see that it was just registered or I would have left it be. [ Post Comment ] Comment #86 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 19:14:51 PT ...FoM... ....darn you!!!..you destroyed my whole evil plan by being too nice!....I registered as bbbb right before I made that post about the pond scum/gutter slime...oh well,,Indy wisely saw right through me anyway....I guess maybe I should quit clowning around so much,,and get more serious about discussing the issues.....LOL...dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #85 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:13:53 PT and another thing I forgot to mention this in my last post...That's a good point about the lay offs. [ Post Comment ] Comment #84 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 19:11:58 PT rhetoric Tone down what rhetoric? There are two possible meanings: The more bland one being that you feel I should adopt a more simplified way of speaking. The other meaning being that you feel I am somewhat of a flag waving, state supporting idealist who hasn't yet totally shaken away the last few lingering traces of brainwashing?If I tone down whatever version of rhetoric your under the impression I suffer from, could you tone down your patronizing manner towards me? [ Post Comment ] Comment #83 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 19:06:34 PT ..that's a definite possibility Indy... ...perhaps it was an obscure way of suggesting something to that affect...and even if it was,,there's nothing wrong with a bit of arrogance once and a while...there are times when people have a right to be slightly arrogant. .. I wouldnt worry about it too much.... after all,,if we focus too closely on such things,,then the next thing you know,someone will accuse us of being too touchy,or sensitive......May JAH Shine on You!...dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #82 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 18:58:42 PT Actually, Indy... ...if you don't mind me shortening your handle out of familiarity, the downtrodden are gaining a much firmer footing these days. The layoffs and mayhem over the corporate scandals has yet to be played out. These people are not just laying off a few people. They are laying off THOUSANDS. And investor confidence is almost as low as the Big Bust in the thirties. Many things may pale in five years, but I don't think the resentment of being played for fools will. The American people WON'T forget.You are heading in the right direction with your questioning and desire to learn the truth. Tone down your rhetoric a bit, and you could become a good activist. I wish you the best in your search for truth.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #81 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 18:58:04 PT aww Were you trying to lay the groundwork for the "evil twin" type postings, D to the P to the Q times four? [ Post Comment ] Comment #80 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 18:55:01 PT dddd I checked and you had it registered so I deleted it because I couldn't figure out how to give you your password so just go register it now. There you go! [ Post Comment ] Comment #79 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 18:54:31 PT ...I'd like to know.... ..who the evil,,,pond scum,,gutter slime ,,bottomfish prankster is,,who took the bbbb name?,,and what they plan to do with it?.....watch out if you see someone posting as bbbb!,,,I have nothing to do with any bbbb character! Someone may be planning to slander or degrade me! ..dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #78 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 18:49:41 PT I think that he's saying my post proves my arrogance?Care to weigh in, Toker? [ Post Comment ] Comment #77 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 18:43:26 PT ....Indy... ...I think the "rest my case"...thing,,was another way of saying "I agree with what you just said"...(?)...dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #76 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 18:40:19 PT ..ddddarn!... ...it looks like someone is else already registered as bbbb....oh well..dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 18:36:09 PT you rest your case? What is that in regards to? [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 18:20:07 PT LOL I rest my case.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 18:18:15 PT change I feel like pontificating some more. I agree wholeheartedly that major change is long overdue. The end I agree with, it's the means I question. I don't think that democracy has been as yet totally undermined. I think it would be alot easier to use the system already in place to bring about change than try to tear down all the walls and start anew. I really do think people like FoM, people who get our message out there, are doing the most good. I think that's all we need. To get our message to everyone. It's hard to change peoples minds but it's alot easier than getting them to revolt. Most of America is middle class. They are well fed, entertained and content. It would be alot easier if they were all poor and downtrodden. [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 18:11:49 PT arrogance Sarcasm, yes, very much so. Arrogance? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Do I even have to make my case? I mean, really? I'm not the one acting so definite. I think everyone here is ok...Just because I strongly disagree with someone doesn't mean I dismiss them (unless they call me an idiot). Some people seem to take things a little too personally. As for the revolution, I hope your still posting here in five years. Then we'll see what's paled with age.dddd is undoubtedly a funny old hippy. [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by Toker00 on August 14, 2002 at 17:55:10 PT dddd, pppp, qqqq I've often wondered when you will split again and become bbbb. Or have I missed that personality? Or, maybe the nick is taken by someone else. Your alter, alter, alter ego, perhaps? You are a funny old hippie, my friend.Industrial Strength is ok. I understand his skeptiscism about revolution. It's his sarcasm and arrogance that discolor his obvious quest for answers. That will pale with age and life experience.It is hard to discribe how a revolution actually becomes a revolution. My explanation is rather simple, but to the point. Imagine a small ball of snow starting to slip down the mountain. It's slow at first, but as it gathers other flakes of snow, and grows larger, it begins to accelerate. the more snow flakes it gathers on the way, the bigger the revolution becomes, until, what do you know? A fulfledged REVOLUTION explodes as it hits the bottom of the mountain. OK. So that is a poor example. Anyone else want to give it a shot?Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 17:54:13 PT ...yes and no...I'm not quite sure Indy .....I guess I'm just sorta goofin' around for entertainment purposes.....cheap,free fun for anyone who wants to look at it,, in any way they want to see it......perhaps the alter ego thing is a questionable way to say things.. ..I'm just glad that everyone knows that I am not 4Q,or 4P.....they are both much worse than me!......indeedddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by qqqq on August 14, 2002 at 17:44:08 PT ...dddd... ...you are really making me sick!...I almost barfed when I read your sickening typically fluffy flower child bullshit!....and what about that dark mindfuck game that Indy pointed out,,where you say you're not better than anyone else,just to make yourself seem all humble and noble,,when you're actually an arrogant, pompous, scatterbrain old Hippie/druggy guy....Quit messing with everyones minds dddd.. I think everyone is starting to see thru your niceness fakeout!...me and 4P are growing weery of your moonage psycho-babble. [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 17:35:12 PT the moral of the story? Is there something to be extracted from the alter ego's conversing or is it just an illustration of the touchyness of myself and others lately? [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 17:28:25 PT ...pppp and 4Q... ..I'm sorry you guys have your problems with me..I didnt mean to make you mad at me...hopefully you can follow EJs lead and forget about the things that made you mad,so we can get on with discussing the issues...after all..it's easy to get mad and offended...it's not as easy to be nice.....dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 17:21:21 PT verbal quicksand... By saying your not better than anyone else, and actually putting that mentality into practic, you sort of elevate yourself above alot of people. That's a hard one to climb out of, huh? [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 17:18:59 PT I, on the other hand am a malicious young fool.I have no major physical problems as yet, but my head is a totally different story. Thankfully, there's drugs. I don't have to face anything, I can just keep hiding. Ahhh. [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by pppp on August 14, 2002 at 17:18:32 PT ..get off your high horse dddd!... ..I'm with 4Q....I'm getting sick and tired of dddds cheesy rhetorical besmirchments,which amount to little more than thinly vieled insults!..you really fry my ass dddd,because you pretend to make it seem like you're so nice,,,and that makes it not easy to get mad at you....I'm glad you're in Outer Space,,because if you ever come back to earth,,me and 4Q are gonna beat the crap out of you! [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 17:09:18 PT ...Indy... ..I'm a seasoned old bastard........I use to be mean ,,and critical of everybody elses faults....The best way to describe how I learned to be however I ended up,,,,is that I started tyo try and always remember to take a good look in the mirror before I start saying anything about anyone else......... I realize that I am no "better",than ANYONE ELSE!...all people are human(!).... every human has problems ,,both physical,, and mental......every human faces the hindrances of their problems... some people have a hard time dealing with their problems..... Some problems are much more obvious than others..... ..If a person doesnt have many problems,,...then they are lucky,,,and even if a person does have alot of problems,,chances are that there are alot of other people who have way more fucked problems,,,so,,,, this is a way to make it so things dont seem quite as fuckedddd. ...(?)........I hope this helps [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by qqqq on August 14, 2002 at 15:48:18 PT ....dddd... .."radical crackpot" huh,,,,,,,"idiot".......kiss my grits dddd!....you got a big mouth...quit being so rude and mean to me,because I know where you live,,and I'll come over there a pound your face in !!!...You are an IDIOT dddd...why dont you get a life,and quit annoying me and everyone else! [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 15:46:15 PT This is dumb But that really gave me a boost, dddd. I don't feel very well and I was kind of down. You feel that way about everyone, is that natural or did you have to teach yourself to be so amicable? [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by dddd on August 14, 2002 at 15:43:49 PT ...I like Indy too... ...but I dont need that radical crackpot qqqq puttin' words in my mouth!...Speak for yourself qqqq,,,,you idiot!...dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by qqqq on August 14, 2002 at 15:40:24 PT ...bickering.... .....well Indy....If it means anything,,,I am a fan of yours,,and I dont care how old you are,of where you're from!! ...as far as I'm concerned,,,you're the BEST! ...Sincerely.......qqqq.......dddd.......pppp............ [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 15:29:29 PT and another thing Im so stupid, I'm still mired in the frivolous technicalites. So, NM, who will lead this revolution? After you win (because, I mean, this voice on the internet has no chance of losing to the government of the United States), what political system will you employ? Or is it I'm so slow, and this revolution of yours is moving just so quickly, that you don't need a leader or ideology. All you know is YOU are RIGHT! You also know I'm a juvenile, Northern imbecile. [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 15:09:59 PT Oh right! I forgot, I'm young, I'm Canadian, I must be a dunce! My poor little brain moves oh so slowly, I can't grasp this "revolution". Have fun mobilizing the average American. Tell me how that works out. [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 11:09:28 PT oh...BTW....the csar speaks live now! NPR talk of the nation on now John Walter'shttp://www.npr.org/programs/totn/index.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by canaman on August 14, 2002 at 10:50:38 PT anyone remember 70's rap? A little harder edged than the Beatle's 'Revolution'. Gil Scott-Heron's 'The revolution will not be televised' blew me away when I first heard it.The Revolution Will Not Be Televised You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and drop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, Because the revolution will not be televised.The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruption. The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon Blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat Hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.The revolution will not be televised.The revolution will be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie Wood and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia. The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal. The revolution will not get rid of the nubs. The revolution will not make you look five pounds Thinner, becauseThe revolution will not be televised, Brother.There will be no pictures of you and Willie Mays Pushing that cart down the block on the dead run, Or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance. NBC will not predict the winner at 8:32 or the count from 29 districts.The revolution will not be televised. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down Brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of young being Run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process. There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a red, black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the right occasion.Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and Women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day.The revolution will not be televised.There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock News and no pictures of hairy armed women Liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose. The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb, Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth. The revolution will not be televised.The revolution will not be right back after a message About a white tornado, white lightning, or white people. You will not have to worry about a germ on your Bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.The revolution will not go better with Coke.The revolution will not fight the germs that cause bad breath.The revolution WILL put you in the driver's seat.The revolution will not be televised, WILL not be televised,WILL NOT BE TELEVISED.The revolution will be no re-run brothers;The revolution will be LIVE. short audio clip [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by FoM on August 14, 2002 at 09:58:19 PT My 2 Cents Talking about illegal activities in a public forum would worry me to no end. This web site is read by many people. With the way life has become in the USA since 9-11 I'd be very cautious. We aren't like Canada or the UK. [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by Nuevo Mexican on August 14, 2002 at 09:43:03 PT Are you 18 Indy? Figures! Do you live in the U.S.? No? So shuddup, you don't have a clue, I won't waste my time on you, time will change your mind, and I won't try and speed it up! [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 02:09:04 PT yea thats always a good thing. I have some pretty good providers, but I guess it can never compare to growing your own. Something I'm definitely intrested in.... [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 02:05:32 PT I always have the best cannabis That's the sweetest part of the deal. [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 02:02:31 PT I guess Canada is just much softer. The "meth problem" is virtually nonexistent in Winnipeg. [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 01:58:22 PT It used to be that way We used to trade amongst friends, but when meth hit, some of the people went freaky, and it got pretty violent. The gov't turned friends into narcs, so I haven't really been able to trust more than a handful of people. I couldn't risk that kind of association with people, because my career could have been ruined. [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 01:50:53 PT Black market You buy coke on the black market. You buy weed on the green market. In some guy called Jeff's apartment with home made modern art adorning the walls and everyone laughing, watching something, anything on television, smoking grass with the dealers friends, people you have just met. Now they are your friends. Everyone is happy and laughy and pleased to meet you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 01:42:44 PT I haven't dealt with the black market for 15 years From the loving Creator to the loving grower. That's the path my herb takes. [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 01:39:11 PT this stuff Is so, so energetic. Like mushroom energy without the drunk feeling, alot clearer. I know for a fact that it's not laced with anything. [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 01:37:29 PT impressive Before you mentioned that you grew your own? Is that the results of your effort or do you have a dealer with pedigree? Is that "too inside"? One of my hookups gets stuff from BC and sometimes he will get three strains at once, you get labled bags. It's nice. Very nice. Most of the time you don't have a clue, not that it really matters. [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 01:31:05 PT FoM never told me not to I'm smoking Misty, which is a sister to the White Widow, and she makes me giggle. It's really an uplifting, social strain of cannabis.I get anti-spasmodic effects from any strain, so I try to choose my cannabis like a fine wine. It's a hell of a lot more fun than picking up a prescription that costs more than a week's salary, and works where ALL the prescriptions failed. A doctor even put me on Percodan, which is a schedule II narcotic containing Oxycodone plus aspirin, but that just made me feel lethargic and nauseous, and didn't come close to giving me the relief of cannabis. [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 01:21:26 PT this is good stuff It's a treat for me to have something approaching a pure sativa. Smallish nugs just covered in red hairs. It doesnt look that crystally and the smell isn't that strong but wow! So different to have energy after smoking. Totally in your head. Most of the stuff you get here is Indica. I guess it has better production value. It's not some sort of violation to ramble about pot, is it? [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 01:15:03 PT That's funny I'm feeling pretty good, and all I had was the cannabis. Of course, I don't have a cold, so it's probably not a fair comparison. [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 01:10:56 PT Eureka! On an off topic note, I've discovered if not a cure, then certainly a distraction for the common cold. I could feel a cold coming on, that horrible groggy feeling in the back of your passages, runny nose, sneezing...Guzzling Benylin First Defence Herbal cough syrup and Neo Citron and then the twist...Two nice big bong rips. A soft, big, warm sweater. Happy. [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 01:03:19 PT I know that, I'm glad you do to I thought that as much as we had written we kind of understand each other. The other people are just fed up. I sit here in Missouri and bang my head against the wall. I've tried to figure it out and get things changed, but this is one f'ing f'd up gov't.Please have some tolerance for us Amerikans. [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 00:58:07 PT I hope you know I'm just kidding around, trying to keep things light. Not so much with what I'm saying but how I'm saying it. I wouldn't want anyone to get offended and storm off in a huff... [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 00:56:06 PT Donahue Industrial Strength, you need to read the transcript of this show if you think this is some "far out conspiracy that Bush and Co. were in fact the reason behind 9/11."Read the remarks of the wife of a victim of 9/11. This isn't some whacko conspiracy freak. She's an intelligent widow who sees the failures of dubya and his freaky freak show. [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 00:42:11 PT viva, la Revolution! Fitting that I'm reading "Homage to Catalonia" right now. Problem stricken as it is, America is a better place to live than most. Get that through YOUR head. Also, all this talk of revolution. Look at where most revolutions end up. The socialist paradise that was the USSR. The benevolent Khamer (sp?) Rouge in Cambodia, the good guy Fidel and his sidekick Che in Cuba. Despite what you may have convinced yourself (were you the people all in a tuff about Y2K? Was your basement full of bottled water and canned goods?), you exist in a democracy. It is the feeble mindedness of the mass populace that is the root cause of most of the problems, not the government. These are the same feeble minded, slow witted, well fed people you would have to mobilize en mass to win the revolution. Doesn't add up. [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by BGreen on August 14, 2002 at 00:36:54 PT I told you, Industrial Strength Those of us who have grown up in the US, and have spent, in my case, 39 years observing and participating in this derelict gov't, we're not as optimistic as an 18-year-old from Canada or anywhere else.The uprising will be non-violent on our side, or else there will be a massacre. However, we will win by sheer numbers, whenever we feel empowered enough to take that step. These are the feelings of oppression that people are expressing.It's just something you've got to experience for yourself. Better yet, just take our word for it and avoid the US like a plague. [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 00:32:03 PT the revolution is Now! So after this little revolution, who's going to be in charge? What political system will you adopt? The revolution is now, huh? Seems sort of unplanned. Is your biggest beef with America the war on drugs? Or some far out conspiracy that Bush and Co. were in fact the reason behind 9/11? [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by Industrial Strength on August 14, 2002 at 00:11:58 PT links If I gave you the link the DEA website, would you treat every word on that page as if it were fact? I agree that things need to be changed, but I don't think things are beyond the point that they cannot be changed by the democratic process. I certainly don't believe that any kind of violent revolution would be in ANY way a good or useful thing. You seem smug and condescending. [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by Nuevo Mexican on August 14, 2002 at 00:07:39 PT The Revolution is NOW! The moon is in Scorpio for 2 days FOM, it's a great time to recharge your battery, and things should fall your way so you can! Indy, you better read mayans links and catch up on reality, a Revolution is what these times are made for, and it won't neccesarily be violent, as was pointed out a peaceful revolution happened in Russia, and I'll gladly follow Ghandis' example, as it is the only way, short of mass suicide like we seem to be headed, not that you would notice! Bush is Dr. Strangelove, get that through your Head please, or go to Waco! dddd has done his best to educate you and seems to have failed, oh well! [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 22:39:47 PT canaman I understand. I'm done for the day. I can barely think of anything to type I'm so tired. That's a nice note to call it a day on! Thank You! [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by canaman on August 13, 2002 at 22:36:43 PT I may have tweaked history a little bit there When I think about it Tom Paine wrote "common sense" and others. Maybe you are more like the printers who where brave enough to print the news. A patriot in any case [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 22:31:28 PT canaman Thank You. I never thought of it quite that way but that's nice. [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by canaman on August 13, 2002 at 22:16:51 PT FoM you are a revolutionary in my book in the spirit of Thomas Paine who helped spread the truth with his printing press. Thomas Painehttp://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/B/tpaine/paine.htm [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by firedog on August 13, 2002 at 22:08:37 PT well said canaman You (or rather they) said it better than I ever could... [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by canaman on August 13, 2002 at 22:03:37 PT you say you want a revolution well, you know we all want to change the worldyou tell me that it's evolution well, you know we all want to change the worldbut when you talk about destruction don't you know that you can count me out?don't you know it's gonna be alright, alright, alright?you say you got a real solution well, you know we'd all love to see the planyou ask me for a contribution well, you know we are doing what we canbut if you want money for people with minds that hate all i can tell you is "brother, you have to wait"don't you know it's gonna be alright, alright, alright?you say you'll change the constitution well, you know we all want to change your headyou tell me it's the institution well, you know you better free your mind insteadbut if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhowdon't you know it's gonna be alright, alright, alright?REVOLUTION - BEATLES [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by firedog on August 13, 2002 at 21:58:08 PT An alternative You mention a violent revolution, but there is an alternative - a nonviolent revolution. It's worked for Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc. It worked for East Berlin and all of Eastern Europe.But it has to be organized. That's the catch. You have to have lots of people engaging in nonviolent protest simultaneously. And the Forces of Control are just so much better at forming little organized groups than we are. That's why they've been winning so much. They have all these ditto-head clones that vote in huge numbers because Rush tell them to, and who to vote for. We like to thing for ourselves, which is good, but it has its drawbacks. And this is one.But, if you look at what's going on in Nevada... here's a chance for an entire state to do one big nonviolent protest against the marijuana laws in this country. Through the vote. All on one day, everyone in the state has a chance to "send a message". If we win... that's one hell of a nonviolent revolution.Even if we don't win, it will be very close. I'm sure that at least 40% of Nevadans will vote for Question 9. And that will encourage groups in other states, maybe California, Washington, Vermont, Oregon, Alaska... especially California. If the Nevada initiative wins, I'm sure there will be one in Cali next year.You'll see politicians come out of the closet, no longer afraid to support MJ legalization. Even the Republican governor of Nevada won't take sides right now... but he's anxious to see how this whole thing turns out. I'm sure that's code for "I'm in favor of it but I don't want to say until the people do first." The wall will fall, I'm sure of that. Even in Eastern Europe, when that wall came down, the revolution wasn't violent. It just took a critical mass of people to make it happen. I remember the TV broadcasts of tens of thousands of people protesting against their restrictive governments. But not one fired on their own people when it came down to it. [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by Industrial Strength on August 13, 2002 at 21:38:32 PT Well They did count the votes after the fact and it turned out Bush had won anyway. The Democrats did all they could to win as well, you know. You really think you live in a REAL totalitarian state? Would this forum exist if that were true??????? Realize nowhere is perfect, but also realize your damned lucky to have been born in the United States. Capatalist slaves? Well, what do you propose? Live off the land? Then your a food slave. Your always going to be a "slave" to something, because there are things that humans NEED. Alot of human beings are plastic materialists, but thats a side effect of how good we have it. Would you rather go back to the stone age? We weren't slaves to money then. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 21:35:32 PT I'm Too Old and Tired I don't have the energy to be a revolutionary. I have enough energy to do the news but that's about all. [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by Bounce to the Ounce on August 13, 2002 at 21:28:44 PT I agree that the US Government is shady... But let's not get to the point where we become paranoid militia freaks. The sky isn't falling, guys... [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by Toker00 on August 13, 2002 at 21:23:48 PT Not from "Michegan", and no Confederate flag. And I am not "HOMES". I'm just a man who really believed this country was about Freedom and Liberty. I've come a long way from that belief. I realize, though I hate to admit it, that we are just Capitalist Slaves, with no hope of being set free, at least anytime soon. Our Liberties and Freedom are determined in boardrooms, now, instead of protected by a mythical document called The Costitution of the United States of America. Standing up for what is right, trying to get back to what was intended for us, is futile. The Fascists rule. America is dead.So I'll just give up and let my government run my life, my mind, and my soul. Praise God for the Amerikan Federal Government.NOT!So tell me, Industrial Strength, how CAN a revolution be won? By voting out the Fascists? HA! I'll lay ten to one odds Bushy Boy figures out a way to steal the election again, in 2004. You think the powers that be will just someday say: "You know, you people are right. Here's your Constitution and Bill of Rights back. Please forgive us for our transgressions on your freedoms and liberty. The people may now rule." Did we vote to free ourselves from British rule? Then explain to me how a revolution cannot be won by taking up arms. Indeed, it is the only way they HAVE been won.The almighty surgical military you speak so fearfully of, can't even find one Afghan named Osama. But you're right, they can sure blow the hell out of things and instill fear in the masses.The thought of the Feds thinking I'm some kind of terrorist, is at best, laughable. I've been a very good citizen. I pay my taxes. I abide by the laws of the land, with one exception: The unjust laws against Cannabis. There are more unjust laws out there. But since I'm no match for our Mighty Military, (And I admit, they are awesome) I should stop fighting for what is right, what ever the method I think might work? Nada. No way.Look. I know how obsurd a violent revolution would be, these days. I speak of it, only because I haven't found an alternative that might work. And spare me the bullshit about the power of the vote. We saw how much our votes mean, in 2000. So, short of a DEVINE INTERVENTION, or a TERRESTRIAL RESCUE, how do YOU propose to end oppression of the American people?And I didn't insult you, so I don't expect insults in return.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by Industrial Strength on August 13, 2002 at 20:35:40 PT Revolution vs Terrorism Do you happen to be from Michegan? Is there a confederate flag in the back window of your pick up truck? Of course, there is, by definition, such a thing as "revolutionary terroism", but that is besides the point. A revolution cannot be won by sporadic acts of violence. Flying planes into buildings, setting off car bombs, all the other options available to some dumb fuck terrorist only succeed in killing innocent Americans. You cannot conduct any kind of surgical strike with such blunt instruments. Your opponent, however, would have a giant cache of razor blades. Slice you up, homes. [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by Toker00 on August 13, 2002 at 19:56:59 PT I'm nothing but a pee-on to them. I'm sure many, many others are posting the same thoughts. And that is ALL they are. At least where I am concerned. I own ONE gun. A relic. Won't even fire. If they can arrest me and try me for treason just on what I FEEL and THINK, then NO ONE is safe. I haven't committed treason by any form or shape of it. And above all else, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THEM. Their fear tactics don't work on me. But, thanks for the warning. :)I love my country, I hate my government. So what? I'm not alone.Where will YOU draw the line?Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by Dark Star on August 13, 2002 at 19:19:40 PT Toker You are flirting with disaster. How do you know that the Feds aren't checking you out now? The definition of treason is a lot looser than it used to be. I suggest that you cease and desist now matter how frustrated you are. [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by Toker00 on August 13, 2002 at 19:00:23 PT Industrial Strength. I don't think I'm overstating the problems, at ALL. "Shotguns and Deer Rifles" are not the only weapons available. Sabotage would be a viable weapon. All KINDS of explosives laying around just waiting to be (and some have been) stolen. Did the assholes who attacked NYTC use shotguns? No. Box cutters. And a VERY large airplane. Don't think Americans are out-gunned by their military. For that matter, if there ever WAS a violent revolution, factions of the military just MIGHT be on the PEOPLE'S side. There are all kinds of angles to look at, but I didn't post to argue. Just to vent my frustration at how far and fast we have NOT come, by being polite.I know this is not a revolutionist website. Peace and pursuation have always been my choice, too, for the most part. It just feels rediculous to kindly ask the government to change unjust laws, when they are constantly passing laws that remove our freedoms, and personal choice.I DO know this. When the shit hits the fan, I will be on the front line. Stay in the foxhole if you like.Peace. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by Industrial Strength on August 13, 2002 at 15:41:36 PT revolution I don't think any kind of violent uprising could ever work in the United States in this day and age. You really think shotguns and deer rifles stack up to the governments weaponry? Try it and find out. I think your overstating the problems. [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by Zero_G on August 13, 2002 at 14:55:53 PT War is Illegal Since 1945, unless a country is directly under attack, and then only until the Security Council of the United Nations has a chance to act, it is illegal for one nation to use force or threaten to use force against another. The U.S. could give a shit.The World Court brought the U.S. to task for the mining of Nicaragua's harbors the last time much of the latest group of criminals were in power. You know the names, Riech, Negroponte, Abrams, Secord, et al.The U.S. didn't give a shit then either.Bectel was recently sent packing in Bolivia, when trying to privatize the water supply and then divert much of that supply to a gold mine in Columbia. The peasants blokaded the roads, many were killed, but ultimatly, Bectel was defeated.The U.S. has recently been heavy handed in Latin American democracy, historically consistant with the policies which brought Pinochet, Fujimori, Samoza, and so many other dictators, with examples in the failed coup in Venezuala, the recent elections in Columbia and Bolivia...Not to mention the continuing Plan Columbia and Andean Initiative. [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 14:19:15 PT Off Topic Tonight Michael Moore is going to be on Phil Donahue. I want to watch that for sure. I really like Michael Moore and I really like Phil Donahue.http://www.michaelmoore.com/You're welcome Dan. [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Dan B on August 13, 2002 at 13:47:52 PT: FoM, Toker00 Thanks, FoM, for the backup. Yes, it must be the same substance, as pseudoephedrine is the scientific name.Toker00--I agree with much of what you say, except that I really don't want to consider violence as an alternative yet, but I fear the day may be coming when it cannot be ruled out. Speaking of which, you know those "mini-nukes" that Dr. Evi--I mean, George W. Bush wants to build and (he hopes) use in Iraq? I was reading yesterday that each one has a blast radius of one mile. For comparison, the Hiroshima bomb of 1945 had a blast radius of 1.5 miles and killed 70,000 people. In short, Bush wants to use nukes as soon as he can make up a reason to "justify" it (there is really no justification for it). In addition, he wants to pollute as much of the water supply as he can because he is in collusion with the big companies like Monsanto and Bechtel that want to control all of the world's fresh water, forcing you to pay a heavy price for it or die. When people realize that, you can bet that there will be a violent revolution like none the world has ever before seen.I hope that by then it isn't already too late.Dan B [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by Zero_G on August 13, 2002 at 12:12:28 PT Dark Star Reason tatters... [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by Dark Star on August 13, 2002 at 12:10:26 PT We Don't Need No Stinkin' Evidence Why should prosecutors need evidence? How many times have medical marijuana users been charged with trafficking when they had no scales, no baggies, no buyers? Big Brother knows what you're thinking, and will convict you for that. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by Zero_G on August 13, 2002 at 12:07:22 PT Buying Sudafed in th US It is legal, but...If you purchase, what the manager of a store considers to be an inordinate amount, orpurchase suspicious other items along with the sudafed, there have been numorous cases where the stores, Wal-Mart comes to mind, have alerted authorities, who've then stopped, searched, and in some cases busted on meth manufacture conspiracy charges, when in some cases, no actual evidence of manufacture has existed. [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 11:48:24 PT From The Cato Institute Newshawk: Plylar - State Congress - http://www.plylar.org Unsavory Bedfellows Washington's International Partners in the War on Drugs By Ted Galen Carpenter Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 71 August 1, 2002 Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of Bad Neighbor Policy: Washington's Futile War on Drugs in Latin America (forthcoming, Palgrave/St. Martin's). Executive Summary The United States has made common cause with an assortment of dubious regimes around the world to wage the war on drugs. Perhaps the most shocking example was Washington's decision in May 2001 to financially reward Afghanistan's infamous Taliban government for its edict ordering a halt to the cultivation of opium poppies. Unfortunately, the fiasco with the Taliban was not an isolated example of U.S. collusion with unsavory governments. Throughout the 1980s U.S. officials heaped praise on Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega for his alleged commitment to the war on drugs. A decade later Washington did the same with Peru's authoritarian president Alberto Fujimori. U.S. leaders have been so obsessed with advancing the drug war that they have repeatedly cooperated with regimes that they have otherwise treated as pariahs. Thus, Washington has cooperated with Burma's military junta and Cuba's Fidel Castro on drug policy even as it maintained economic embargos against both countries. Such collusion reflects the frustration and desperation of U.S. officials as they have sought to stem the flow of illegal drugs into the United States decade after decade without meaningful, lasting success. Instead of accepting the reality that a prohibitionist strategy is inherently futile, U.S. administrations have compromised important American values and helped strengthen corrupt, repressive governments. Ironically, most of the regimes with which the United States has cooperated have not even been sincere in their anti-drug activities. In fact, they have usually been deeply involved in the drug trade. Ominously, the Bush administration may be heading down the same path with Colombia's new president, Alvaro Uribe. U.S. officials are effusive in their praise of Uribe, even though there are serious questions about some of his political supporters. Given the mistakes Washington has made with other foreign leaders, greater caution would be advisable. Direct Link: http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-071es.html Full Text of Foreign Policy Brief No. 71 (PDF, 9 pgs, 95 Kb) http://www.cato.org/cgi-bin/scripts/printtech.cgi/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb71.pdf [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by kaptinemo on August 13, 2002 at 11:27:52 PT: My point, exactly, Naaps And those are the cases that you know of; what of the ones going on right underneath the noses of most Canadians? I've commented before on the corrosive influence of US Federal (taxpayer extorted!) monies being lavished upon local police departments, and thus circumventing the natural control the local communities can exert over their own police forces.With the circumvention of that control comes a problem: the local cops start to thumb their noses at the local aldermen, city councils, judges, etc. And, like dogs whose loyalties have changed, gaze adoringly at the Feds for their orders...or their justifications.The recent episodes in California where MMJ patients have had their medicine confiscated by the local "Deputy Dawg" and the local judiciary demands he return it are perfect examples. In all known cases, rather than immediately comply with the local judiciary's demand, the Local LEO gets on the horn with the Feds in a hope to pass it to them...and be able to turn with an unctuous, superior smirk to the MMJ patient and his supposed superiors and say that his hands are tied, and it's a Fed matter.What's been done here with such success for the Feds in the US in subborning local police is now being done on an international scale...and Canada is now the 'beneficiary' of this age-old divide and conquer ploy.I hope the majority of your countrymen see this for what it is and send the US goons packing. Or we'll just have to sew another star on the flag, after all. [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by FoM on August 13, 2002 at 11:06:28 PT Dan We can get pseudoephedrine about any where. When I get congested I use a generic Sudafed which is mostly pseudoephedrine unless they are talking about another type of pseudoephedrine. I don't know. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by Naaps on August 13, 2002 at 10:58:25 PT Indeed, Kapt’ The role of the DEA and RCMP in Canada isn’t well outlined in any public documents that I know. Recently, a couple incidents made the newspapers, though not to CannabisNews.A column in the Vancouver Sun, August 8th, entitled, ‘Alien Agents Prowl Among Us to Thwart Traffickers and Terrorists.’ Discussed the intrusion of US Government agencies on Canadian soil, including the DEA, US Customs, FBI, and CIA. No mention was made of the Secret Service or the US Marshals, both agencies which have a presence here. From the article, ”We should be concerned about all this," says B.C. lawyer-activist John Conroy. "I don't know the actual numbers, but I understand there are already quite a few DEA and undoubtedly some FBI and CIA already here. And Canadian cops, he adds, support these incursions. For the money. "Our cops, " he said, "welcome the U.S. ability to finance various 'fun' - from a police perspective - projects that otherwise wouldn't be funded. There are more of them and they have way more money."Another article in the Vancouver Sun, August 9th, entitled, ‘U.S. Agents Run Roughshod Over Our Laws.’ Describes a reverse sting operation conducted by the DEA in Canada that so seriously infringed on our sovereignty that the judge ordered a judicial stay of proceedings. Forget it, said Justice Dillon, in a scathing rebuke. The Americans knowingly broke Canadian law and violated international agreements. They conducted an illegal reverse sting operation aimed at Mr. Licht even though they had never heard he was drug dealer. They tried to conceal the information from him and the court. The American's behavior met the test for serious abuse, ruled Justice Dillon, "an act so wrong that it violates the conscience of the community." The author summaries the article saying that the American agents are reluctant to acknowledge Canadian Laws apply to them.So, it seems the more American Government agents are working up here, the more negative light is being shone on their activities. It is interesting to note that the most vocal opponents of the agent influx are members of Canada’s judiciary. Be it, Justice Dillon, Lawyer John Conroy, or BC Supreme Court Justice Wally Opel, who opined a couple years ago that the US has plenty of their own drug problems and solutions based on overflowing jails, without having to worry about us. [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Toker00 on August 13, 2002 at 10:56:32 PT Funds terrorism, my Asa. So when are they going after the diamonds and the honey? Those two are the REAL terror money makers.Nobody here wants to hear this, but VIOLENT REVOLUTION is the only way we will EVER get this country back. You can deny it if you want, but you're just prolonging the inevitable. The Federal Government LOVES pasafists. Keeps them in control. I love peace and harmony, too, but not at the price of Liberty and Freedom. When are we gonna wake up and lock and load? There are a very few people who have control over millions of us. How hard would it be to eliminate the few? Not hard at all. All it takes is courage. Who are THEY? Look no further than the heads of major corporations. For years they have kept Cannabis illegal with their bought and paid for politicians. Soon, every thing you need to survive, will be available ONLY through them. Think I'm kidding? Wait till you start paying for water, what you are paying for oil. Water will be the next thing to WAR for. It is getting very near time for action and not words. Think you can vote them out? Votes can be manipulated and stolen very easily. EXAMPLE: Election 2000. And unless we take a solid stand against these Fascists, what happened in 2000 will become the American norm.I apologize, but I am just tired of being sick and tired of our government. Actions speak far louder than words, or votes.DEATH TO THE FASCISTS WHO HAVE SOLD OUR COUNTRY OUT FROM UNDER US. FREE AMERICA. KILL THE FASCISTS.Peace, till the time comes. Realize, then Legalize. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by kaptinemo on August 13, 2002 at 09:24:25 PT: Works with...or works FOR? He said the RCMP monitors the situation and works with U.S. agencies, including the DEA. Asked about the terrorism angle, "we have no evidence of that here in Canada," he said.Many of us on both sides of the border have had some legitimate concerns raised lately as to the extent of the 'influence' the American DEA in particular - and US government in general - has had upon daily Canadian law enforcement. In short, how much of Canadian drug interdiction efforts are actually, for want of a better word, a 'front' for US LEO's pushing Canadians around? In their own backyards? And using the RCMP as 21st century 'Steppin Fetchits'?I'd really like to know...as I am sure most of us would. [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by Dan B on August 13, 2002 at 08:02:34 PT By the way . . . I found at least seven places where you can buy pseudoephedrine over the Internet, and that was on the first page of my first search on a mediocre search engine (Iwon). One of them advertises that they ship "discreetly to your front door."So much for strict controls in the U.S. Hey Asa, care to make any other stupid arguments? Of course you do; it's your job.Dan B [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by Dan B on August 13, 2002 at 07:57:08 PT: Hogwash! pseudoephedrineYou know it as Sufafed, and you can buy it over the counter at your local drug store. You don't even have to have any symptoms to buy it.In other words, someone has his head up his Asa.Dan B [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by Windminstrel on August 13, 2002 at 07:16:55 PT bah, Asa's gone loopy again has he been sniffing around the evidence locker again? [ Post Comment ] Post Comment