cannabisnews.com: High Court Upholds Marijuana as Dangerous Drug
High Court Upholds Marijuana as Dangerous Drug
Posted by CN Staff on June 12, 2002 at 10:28:00 PT
Press Release
Source: DEA
The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit issued a ruling on May 24, 2002, upholding DEA's determination that marijuana must remain a schedule I controlled substance. The Court of Appeals rejected an appeal filed by High Times Magazine and Jon Gettman, who contended that marijuana does not meet the legal criteria for classification in schedule I, the most restrictive schedule under the Controlled Substances Act. DEA Director Asa Hutchinson stated: "This is an important ruling because it leaves in place a sound decision made by DEA, in consultation with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), that there is no basis to remove marijuana from schedule I.
Current medical and scientific evidence continues to demonstrate that marijuana has a high potential for abuse and no safe and effective medical use." Mr. Gettman petitioned DEA in 1995 to remove marijuana from schedule I. Under the Controlled Substances Act, schedule I substances must meet three strict criteria. These substance must have: no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and a high potential for abuse. Mr. Gettman and High Times Magazine sought through their petition to move marijuana to a schedule where it may be prescribed by physicians for medical use. Director Hutchinson explained the importance of accurate drug scheduling: "Drugs sold lawfully in the United States are the safest in the world. This is because our nation, through its laws, insists on careful deliberation before allowing drugs to be sold as medicine. To date, marijuana does not meet the scientific requirements." In accordance with Federal law, DEA referred the petition to the HHS for a scientific and medical evaluation. After conducting an extensive evaluation, the FDA advised DEA that current scientific and medical evidence demonstrates that marijuana continues to meet all three statutory criteria for placement in schedule I. DEA agreed with the HHS's conclusions and denied the petition to reschedule marijuana saying that the evidence overwhelmingly leads to the conclusion that marijuana has a high potential for abuse. DEA's denial of the petition, along with the complete details of the medical and scientific findings made by DEA and the HHS, were published April 18, 2001, in the Federal Register (volume 66, page 20038).Following DEA's denial of their petition, Mr. Gettman and High Times Magazine appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. The D.C. Circuit rejected the appeal on May 24, 2002, holding that Mr. Gettman and High Times Magazine lack standing to appeal under the United States Constitution. The Court's ruling lets stand DEA's denial of the petition to reschedule marijuana. Source: DEAPress Release: June 6, 2002Website: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/DL: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr060602.htmlRelated Article & Web Site:High Times Magazinehttp://www.hightimes.com/Documenting DEA Lies About Medical Cannabis Rulinghttp://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=532
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Comment #108 posted by qqqq on June 17, 2002 at 05:08:28 PT
BGreen
..Am I correct in assuming that you are a guitarist?
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Comment #107 posted by BGreen on June 16, 2002 at 23:56:01 PT
To fend off the negative comments
I know musicians drink a lot, but most professionals don't drink as much as 'bar band' players, and musical talent doesn't necessarily imply intelligence.
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Comment #106 posted by BGreen on June 16, 2002 at 23:49:56 PT
Cool Article
Thanks Hope.I wonder whether the brains of musicians are different from birth, or whether the brain changes due to activity? Now the hypothesis on why people use "mind-expanding" substances might change, because professional musicians are the biggest group of substance users (except Gene Simmons and Ted Nugent, of course,) thus showing the users to be intellectually and creatively superior to those in politics, law enforcement and in the judiciary. In other words, they're too stupid to understand, and want to eliminate that which they don't understand.The biggest groups of alcohol users just happen to be those in politics, law enforcement and in the judiciary.I, however, am going to take the advice of Frank Zappa, who said "Shut up and play your guitar!"
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Comment #105 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 23:05:31 PT
BGreen
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=305961
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Comment #104 posted by FoM on June 16, 2002 at 16:53:17 PT
Hope
I know you're right. I didn't read about the little girl. I find it hard to read articles like that. It discourages me so I try to only read news that is reform related. I don't even watch programs like the shows about police chasing people. I think if I did I would get really depressed. The drug war is cruel and heartless and must be stopped. People shouldn't be killed over drugs but we know all to well they are killed.
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Comment #103 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 16:08:47 PT
Got to have hope.
For sure. There would be no use in trying if we didn't. Today is Sunday...so there's not much chance of any breaking news, on ending the drug war anyway, today. Maybe things will be calm for a couple of days. They might decide to legalize Monday and it'll hit the news tomorrow evening or Tuesday. I'm ready for it, too. Did I hit my head when you fell?I'll never give up....but it sure gets old. This war has gone on way too long and done too much damage. You read, of course, about the three year old killed in Tennessee by someone who was unhappy about a drug deal and, using the recourse of the streets, strafed her home, where the dealer supposedly ran, and killed the little girl, and injured several others in the house. I had wanted to say I want this war to be over before another child is killed because of it, then I remembered that. It's sickening. And the blithering politicians keep loving the drug war. They are foolish to the point of wickedness. I would like to see it end before anyone else loses their life, innocent or guilty, because of it. Prohibition of alcohol ended because the public was horrified and outraged at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Seven gangsters died. That was the last straw for alcohol prohibition. America no longer has a conscience or common sense, it seems.
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Comment #102 posted by FoM on June 16, 2002 at 13:57:15 PT
Hope
I'm doing fine. Just limping and going ouch ooo ouch ooo! LOL!I wouldn't know how to write a book but I guess you just start and then figure it out along the way.The news is not slow but stopped for the time being so I'm watching The Discovery Channel. I wonder when the news gets slow what will happen next. I always thought there wouldn't be enough news to keep C News going day after day but that hasn't happened so far. I have the connection and time to make a web page but don't have any ideas so I'll just be lazy. It's hard to rest when you should be paying attention because important breaking news can come out of no where. I'm waiting for the day they say we're wrong, you're right and legalize marijuana. Maybe I did fall on my head and don't remember I did to think like that but you've got to have HOPE! Right?
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Comment #101 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 13:45:47 PT
a book
Actually, I'd already started one, shortly after my Dad died. But it just made me so sad that I put it away. I don't know where it is now. On a disk probably from my old word processor. So if I do take it up again I'd probably have to start over. I intended to call it "Mac's Blue Top Hotel". How are you feeling now?
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on June 16, 2002 at 12:50:33 PT
Hope
Maybe you should write a book on the life and times of a child growing up on the rodeo circuit. I'm sure you could make it very interesting reading. The bucking horses never bothered me but the bulls did. Bulls can twist and turn and get you real easy. Horses don't focus on the rider but just want to unseat him but bulls keep their eyes open and don't just want to dump you but they'd love to stomp on you too. I understand your nightmare about brahma bulls.
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on June 16, 2002 at 12:01:35 PT
BGreen
Just to make sure I wrapped my self in cotton and am sitting in a chair and not planning to move until tomorrow! LOL!Please don't apologize for defending your Faith. I love The Bible and one of the most important things I have is my son's Bible. He spent years writing and highlighting places in his Bible. He was very dedicated to what he did. To me that Bible is a book of my son's feelings and I love it dearly. The Bible is a great book. I'm not saying that it is 100 percent correct but if you look at the big picture you learn valuable life's lessons from it. Remember that way back in days gone some people believed that marijuana was used as a spiritual tool and that was not uncommon.I remember watching the movie Woodstock 69 and seeing the nuns flash the Peace Sign. The spiritual aspect of the early marijuana movement has been diluted and we see the results all too well. Having faith in a God isn't the problem. It's when organized religion gets into politics and pushes for laws to save us from ourselves. They try to make people conform to a standard that a religious organization decides is the right way. I don't take too much offense when people get angry about religion but try to remember it is the fault of organized religion not a persons individual belief.
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Comment #98 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 11:48:34 PT
BGreen
Perhaps we did act a bit like Christ. Like the time he drove the money changers out of the temple. But, Number 7 hardly fell into the category of "money changers". More likely we should have "turned the other cheek". I had a preacher once who was subject to fits of bad temper himself and allowed that while Jesus did say that we should "turn the other cheek" to assaults and insults, he didn't say to keep turning it again and again. He allowed how you might be free to bust the guy one after you had dutifully "turned the other cheek", once. *smile* Sort of interesting theory, but I don't know. Have you ever noticed, in your Christian walk, that just about the time you think you may have yourself under control, that you've "tamed your tongue", and mastered your desires and just seem to have your character in pretty good order and start thinking that, "Now, I would never be tempted or fall into doing something like that. Not anymore. Not me."? (that being whatever the failing of the moment might be). I mean, seemingly innocently, not judging or accusing the one you are observing doing the falling of the moment. Then you turn around and Wham!! You find you've inadvertently "stepped in it" before you saw what was coming? I have. So I never ever allow myself to think I have got this sin thing under control (even though I know I'm "free" of the punishment of sin, though not necessarily, the consequences. "What then? Should we sin that grace should abound?God forbid!") Instead...when I am tempted...I (usually) look for that "way out" that's promised to be there for us on such occasions."I do that which I would not do and do not do that which I would do. Woe is me! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? Thank God for Jesus Christ!"
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Comment #97 posted by BGreen on June 16, 2002 at 11:34:19 PT
FoM and Hope
I'm feeling better, which, as I mentioned, happens with the passing of time. So many kids that take their lives haven't learned that yet. By the time a person has spent more years out of school than in school, a lot of sadness and heartache has come and gone. The fact that I'm an artist and musician doesn't help, because I tend to wear my heart on my shirtsleeve, and it gets bumped and bruised all the time.For safety sake, FoM, today is NOT a holiday! LOL
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Comment #96 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 11:27:53 PT
Rodeo
Cowboys were my babysitters and there were a lot of "characters" around. Except for the traveling, it was far from dull. The rodeos then were really something. Cowboys, Indians in war bonnets, clowns and monkeys, trick riders, exploding cars and spangled Roman riders. The Grand Entries were truly grand.But there was a lot of anxiety for a child. I worried about my Dad being injured. He would always point out a hole in the ground somewhere, when we arrived at new rodeo grounds to check out the stock, and tell me that some cowboy had bucked off and got his head stuck in the ground there. I really believed it and was horrified. Rodeo stock seemed mightier in those days. I thought it might have been because I was a child, but Mother says it's true. Bulls held a special terror for me. So many times as a small child I heard the announcer say over the loudspeaker, "There's a bull in the parking lot!" Brahma bulls were my bogey man. Mercifully, the cars were roomy then. I liked to sleep on the back dash and gaze at the stars. But being in a car three or four days of every week is just not that much fun for a child. So the idea of a scenic drive isn't all that enticing to me. I grew up on one.
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Comment #95 posted by BGreen on June 16, 2002 at 11:25:17 PT
Sorry if I contributed to your ill feelings, FoM
I only react in a negative fashion to those who choose to unnecessarily trash Christianity or my friends. I have been, in my opinion, extremely civil, and, besides my "troll" joke, which was just that, a JOKE, I've never resorted to name calling or anything.Christianity gets bashed so horribly, as I have said in the past. NOBODY would accept that kind of talk against other groups, and I must speak out, even if I'm the only one.Even with that being said, I've only said something to those who've said 'so and so, stop saying what you're saying because it's stupid, and say what I'm saying.'I've never said anything against a person's opinions, just their intolerance.I'm sorry that some people have misunderstood my intentions.
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on June 16, 2002 at 10:16:59 PT
Hope
That's was very pleasant to read. Life on a rodeo circuit. That's sounds like it was fun but hard too. I have spent most of my life working with horses and students. I'm glad it's over but it was great. It dawned on me when I broke my leg it was on our wedding anniversay. A horse slipped and fell on me and snapped my leg. I broke my wrist on New Years Eve. Maybe I shouldn't do anything on big holidays or events. LOL!I can practically sit on my hair and it is gray but with the help of Loreal it isn't! I hope you and your family have a nice Father's Day. I feel much better today but boy am I sore and black and blue. I really think I short circuited. I think I let many things upset me for way too many weeks and I just passed out. I'm just going to enjoy today and get ready for when the news picks up again. I don't know how much we realize the importance of what is going on in Canada but the next two months will determine a lot and it will have a ripple effect. I sure hope the people of Canada say no to the US. I really do.Have a great day!!!
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 07:01:20 PT
Something new today.
This is the first time I ever turned on my computer and went straight to the second page of CannabisNews.
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Comment #92 posted by Hope on June 16, 2002 at 06:56:26 PT
First...How do you feel this morning?
Reading your posts, it's stunning to me how much we think alike. I was all over the country with my rodeo parents when I was a child. During the season I was virtually raised in a car, motels, and a horse trailer! I like to be at home. A vacation is an ordeal, dddd, just like you said, and I can't wait to get home. Around here everyone thinks there's something wrong with someone who doesn't want to travel. A retirement home for hippies! When I was young and sitting with my friends of a summer evening sharing a smoke, I really did imagine what it would be like to be a THC senior. I visualized sitting in my rocking chair on a bright day with my friends and there were happy young people around, who enjoyed being with us. I couldn't see my friends very well, which looks like it may turn out to be the way it is. Plenty of friends, but I probably won't be able to see them very well. (I can't help but think that if I had kept smoking mj, my eyes would be better than they are now.) I could visualize myself very well though. I had on one of those smocked baby doll blouses we used to wear a lot during the seventies. Cotton, natural, feminine and cool and of course, soft, faded jeans. I was still slender, of course, which I probably would still be if I still was smoking the herb. Hopefully I will have time before then to get that bit under control again. I had long, soft, white, hair in a braid down my back. I have the long braid but, while most people my age are getting a bit gray, mine just won't. Oh, occasionally I see a few silver hairs near my scalp...but they don't seem to stay there long before they turn a nice shade of Medium Ash Brown. :-)It sounds absolutely lovely.
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Comment #91 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 22:56:30 PT
dddd
OK and thanks for the laugh! ancient,drooling geriatric Hippies!!! That's too much! LOL!
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 22:54:08 PT
BGreen
They call them TIAs. Yes my mother had them too. This was different then a TIA I believe and I'm feeling pain in places I didn't know were hurt tonight but it could be so much worse. I hope you worked out your problem too. I'm calling it a day. I'll try not to faint tonight! LOL! I won't. Just kidding.
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Comment #89 posted by dddd on June 15, 2002 at 22:51:05 PT
...be careful...
..dont tempt me!...I'm somewhat of an old Gypsy Hippie,,and I do drive a van,,,and my dog is kinda bad,and not very well trained,,,,,,,,,,and you know what they say about dogs ....they take after their masters.....It's too bad I like it here out West so much,,,,but if the going gets rough,,I think I still have your phone number here somewhere,,I'll call you as least a day before I arrive..........I could be the director of the Hippie retirement home. ..I could organize activities for all the old hippies,,and start a program where young volunteers could come and visit our family of ancient,drooling geriatric Hippies,,and perhaps assist them by rolling joints,and listening to these tie-dyed seniors tell tall tales of the sixties!....dddd
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 22:33:05 PT
That's Sounds Great
My husband and I have kidded saying how much you would like it where we live. Remember I'm planning on having an old age retirement hippie home. I know you think I'm crazy but why not? The main house that was our parents ( my mother was married to my husband's father ) is now a rental property. A retired lady rents it but she is getting up in years and her health is poor and because we are so rural she might need to move closer to town in a few years. The house is so large 28 feet by 48 feet and two floors and a full basement and deck that it could be converted into nice efficiency apartments. We would like that and dreams do happen. We also physically built that house ourselves too. I nailed all the flooring myself. I wanted to be able to say that I did that and wouldn't let anyone help me except to put the flooring in place for me but then it was me the nails and hammer. Someday the building that we have that we had our video store in will be a coffee shop. I do dream alot. It has a two bedroom apartment attached to the store part. The store part is empty and it is about 20 by 60 in floor space. It's very large and I have all kinds of dreams for that in the future. Life is built on hopes and dreams. Some come to be and some don't but we keep on dreaming.
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Comment #87 posted by dddd on June 15, 2002 at 22:18:30 PT
if I ever do go on "vacation"...
..I'm comin' to visit you FoM...sounds like a pretty nice place.....I'll get the boat runnin',and me and my dog will camp out in the woods!...dddd
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 22:09:09 PT
dddd
What's a vacation? Haven't been on one that I can recall for many years. I have been from coast to coast and been lucky to see much of the United States. If I never traveled again that would be ok. If I could travel and do C News well then maybe I'd go. I live in a vacation land. Most of the people who own property in this county they are only their vacation homes. Actually half of the county I've been told. We have a big resort, state park and very large lake 2 miles from here and over the ridge a dude type ranch where you can rent horses to trail ride. We have a boat but haven't launched it for many years. It's practically brand new as far as use goes but we just don't do that anymore either. I'm happy playing with my dog and walking around outside in the fresh air. I guess I'm just a happy camper. I don't feel burdened by doing C News but just so very happy that I can. It has taken many people helping to keep this site up and running and I appreciate all their efforts including the legal protection from copyright problems.
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Comment #85 posted by dddd on June 15, 2002 at 21:57:50 PT
...FoM...
..I'm not sure how long I've been commenting here.I think it's at least 4 years,,.... I cant remember you taking any time off..?,,maybe a day or so,here and there....I guess if you tried to take a vacation,,all you would think about the whole time is Cnews..You would probably come home early....................
..I'm kinda lucky....I dont need to go on vacation,because I have mastered the art of pretending I'm on vacation all the time.....For me,,,going away on vacations is a stressful hassle..I can hardly wait till they're over so I can get back home......dddd
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 21:36:18 PT
dddd
I agree with you and I do care. I hope people can get a long. I know how hard it is. When I am angry I don't talk or I get busy doing something else. When I get upset I can't think very clearly so I do my best to avoid fighting. I haven't been successful all the time but I sure try. I've been resting most of the day but I finally had to take a vicodan. I don't like taking anything that can be habit forming because I had a problem with drugs for pain. Instead in the past of taking pain killers I should have stopped falling off horses but no not me. Finally I knew it was time to stop working closely with horses because you always get hurt. The computer hasn't kicked, stomped or bit me yet. It's tried though. Only kidding and we love you too.PS: I'm glad it's a weekend and the news is slow but like I mentioned to Hope this satellite makes it so easy to get around and find news. I think it's a great invention. If I bought stock I would buy stock in Hughes Communication. This technology will make it available for people who live in the country to have a high speed connection. I love not needing a phone connection. It's great. The signals are encrypted too.
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Comment #83 posted by dddd on June 15, 2002 at 21:15:16 PT
......FoM....
..Dont worry,,,I understand your concerns about this site ,,and I dont have any problem with anything... As you have seen,,If I have a problem,,I'll let you know......I just thought that we might want to be a bit more tolerant to people who drift through here...unless they are absolutely profane heckling shitheads,,I think we should welcome critical and contrary viewpoints,I think it often encourages stimulating,and healthy discussions....
...I'm glad you explained about your bad experience on that other website,,but I think that one thing really special about Cnews,,is that there are seperate discussions for each article,,so if things get wild and wooly in one thread,, it's just in that thread,,,not in the whole site.......It's not easy to decide how far to let thing go,,but,as you know,I respect your judgement.
...You better get some rest,and take care of yourself!..We love you,,and we will always be here,,so dont worry if you miss a day of new news postings.......dddd
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 20:23:11 PT
dddd
Please don't worry about it. I know that you can reach out further then I can. When you do a web site and you think about it almost 24 hours a day you think what is best and what is ok and what shouldn't be ok. Years ago I went to a web site I dearly loved. I was hoping that my fire for activism could grow from that web site. I never wanted to go away from it. I thought it was home for me. It was growing and new people were coming and we laughed and shared problems and it was good. Slowly the site changed. People came and started stirring things up. I tried to ask that it would please stop but it didn't and I was told to go make my own web site and run it my own way. Well, I didn't do that but I did pull my little personal site and left and went to http://www.cannabis.com I made new friends there and after time didn't concern myself with the site I loved before. Now that I have C News I always fear the same thing will happen to it as what happened to that first site I cared for. I might over react but I love doing this and meeting all you and I don't want to have to go through it again. I believe people should be able to say what they feel. I also believe we should use discretion in how we say what we do and then we don't make people angry or sad. I don't want to upset anyone but I know I do. I don't play games. What I am is what I am. That sounds like a song! LOL!
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 15:46:22 PT
Hope
I find it hard to believe but I am feeling better. I'm very sore and black and blue but it could be so much worse. I've taken bufferin every 4 or so hours and it is controlling the pain. I will try Gatorade and I'm taking it easy. I love this satellite. It works so well that it doesn't take much effort for me to post the news. I'm glad I didn't hit the point of my elbow on the cement. Just missed it or it would have shattered I'm sure. When I first learned to ride we took lessons on how to fall. We learned to always protect our head and roll up in a ball as best as we could. That way you might break a few bones but not injure your head. I've never had a head injury from being thrown but broken legs, arms. wrists and a fracture in my back and my breast bone. I was crushed by my stallion who was a massive warmblood and I couldn't turn quickly enough so he binned me from shoulder to shoulder. It really was very painful. I'm a tough cookie! I'm like a cat. I have 9 lives. I'm working on 10 or 11 though! LOL!
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 14:40:40 PT
Thanks, FoM.
I appreciate it. This is one of those times I wish I could send something physically through the internet. We always try to keep it on hand, especially in the summertime when people can get overheated. It really helps that, too.I can't keep from being very concerned, but I will try not to worry, instead, I'll pray.
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 14:17:15 PT
Hope
I sure won't lie to you but tomorrow I will get Gatorade. We don't live close to any stores so it will need to be tomorrow. You very well could be right. I'll try it for sure. Please don't worry but thank you for worrying and thank you for the congrats on our aniversary. Life is good.
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 14:02:35 PT
Get the Gatorade or lie to me.
That's your choice, because I can't let go the Gatorade thing until I know you have had a bottle of it. I like the blue.
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 14:00:43 PT
Petit Mal seizures
Petit Mal seizures are OFTEN caused by electrolyte imbalances. You NEED to try the Gatorade, silly as it sounds. If you have a convenience store near by, please get your husband to pick you up three or four bottles as soon as possible.Please. The Blues Brothers are great and congratulations to the both of you on your anniversary.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 13:36:19 PT
Nuevo Mexican
That was so sweet. I do feel better and you are right. I don't understand what you say sometimes but the oddest thing is what you say has happened even though I only figured it out after the cause. I've met some unbelievable people here on C news. It's like a connect thing. Weird but I just go with it and let it be. What a time to be alive. Today is our 29th wedding anniversay. We don't celebrate holidays or events but everyday. But it is special. We both know that and I am very happy to have that feeling in my life when I know so many people don't. It's worth cherishing. Your wife is lucky to have you.
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Comment #75 posted by Nuevo Mexican on June 15, 2002 at 13:25:39 PT
Just read the news FOM!
and my heart goes out to you, as it did for dddd, and to you as well BGreen. I know i'm always posting stellar info, and I have to tell you, you now own another astrological experience (I'm a teacher as well). The planet Venus was at the degree of 'disaster' (against the stars) 29 degrees, (Venus moved on today so you can relax) when you fell and for BGreen as well. It is a survivable experience, in the close call category,bound to increase your already high popularity, not that that is what you want, but is a pleasant side effect. I always prepare for any planet at the 29th degree, by praying and asking for protection through my many guardian angels. I'm still here, after many close calls, and want you to know that every injury we experience leads to an increase in our own healing powers, of which you already have in abundance. I would recommend a chiropractor, as your back is surely out now, and this would help the most, then get a full body massage, lots of rest, water, and lots of love from your hubby! I tend to spoil my Scorpio, as she was never spoiled before, and I have a feeling your hubby is madly in love with you, as you with him, and would love for you to see a chiropractor and get a massage. Your body will heal, and now you can no longer procrastinate, as we need you here as well, but only if you are up to the task, and I doubt if you are! You have everyone here at C-News permission to 'take a healing break', not that you need permission, but I don't want you feeling guilty about not doing what you love to do, and do so well! We all love you FOM, and it is your turn to benefit from the love we are sending 'Back' to you!
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 13:02:32 PT
How about The Blues Brothers! LOL!
Now I'm watching The Blues Brothers. I forgot how funny it was. I feel much better and will start taking vitamins. I don't take vitamins because they make me want to eat too much. I have taken herbs everyday for years but have avoided vitamins but now I'll take them. I give my husband a large assortment of vitamins every day and now I'll take them. I've has a few gran mal seisures in my life and it could have been a little one the way it felt. I'm going to eat a nutritional dinner and will try to pay attention to my health a little better. I've been running on empty for a while now and I'm not as young as I used to be and able to do that like I did years ago.PS: About The Blues Brothers: We're on a mission too! LOL!
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 12:50:56 PT
Cujo is the last thing you need right now.
A couple of years ago, I read an article, that movies like Cujo actually caused the same harmful stress responses in our bodies that it actually happening to us would.I wish you'd try the Gatorade. I don't like the taste of the stuff, but it can be an almost miraculous normalizer. At least eat something very salty and drink a bit more water.With any injury, I start popping the vitamin E, chondrointin (sp?)(if it involves bones or joints, which your injury does), zinc, anti-inflammatory (aspirin (i.e.,Bufferin, or Advil...I can't take aspirin. And forget the generic and store brand ibuprophen. It might as well be candy.) along with your regular vitamins. Chondrointin isn't cheap, but it's worth every penny. I don't take it preventively...like every day, but it is an amazing and priceless healer when taken in large doses over a period of a few days after an injury or during a pain flare-up.Zinc speeds healing amazingly, but it's hard on my stomach. I take it in small doses, spread a few hours apart and with some food or milk. I sincerely believe that such action causes at least triple speed healing. My family and friends will agree.That with some Ganja (especially if it was a stroke), if you can get it, and a really funny comedy to watch or listen to, can make a world of difference.All these things can help tremendously, but I'm still worried about what caused the fall and the incident last night. You need to get that checked out if you can't figure out what caused it. Does your mother think it sounds like hypoglycemic symptoms?
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Comment #71 posted by BGreen on June 15, 2002 at 12:17:18 PT
There are small strokes
My dad didn't even recognize me one morning, but the Dr. said a lot of people get these small strokes, and they are usually transient and cause no perceptible damage.
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 12:09:54 PT
BGreen
Yes I do have Dr. Russo's number. I was able to talk to him last week. It was nice to talk to him. He is out of the country in a far away land doing some awesome research. I don't think I should say what he is doing and where he is but when he gets back I'm sure he'll tell us all. Thanks for your concern. I feel much better now. I'm getting back to my normal or norml sassy self. LOL!
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Comment #69 posted by BGreen on June 15, 2002 at 12:05:05 PT
Do you have Dr. Russo's phone number?
He's your friend, and he'd be the best person I can think of to talk to.
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 11:59:56 PT
Hope
I have been having trouble if I learn over and stand up to fast. I get really light headed. I have lost a little weight and weigh 103 pound. I've been really anxious about all this copyright stuff the last few weeks and family issues with my father in law. I have been eating nuked food and nothing that is good for me. My mother got hypoglycemia when she was about my age. I will go to the doctor if this happens again or I don't feel like I'm getting better. We don't have insurance so I wait until it would be an emergency. Oh on a good note. Last night when this happened I wasn't sure if I would be ok because I was in unbelieveable pain but within a minute or two I realized that if my time is up it's ok. That's a good feeling. No regrets. You understand I'm sure.PS: I forgot how scary Cujo is! I couldn't rest so I got up and started looking for news again. Steven King is a master of quality horror movies.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 11:54:47 PT
Please go to the emergency room. Now!
If you lay there and die or something....I am going to be SO MAD at you!!!
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 11:51:18 PT
FoM!
That doesn't sound good. It sounds as though you might have fainted on the steps, very suddenly. Usually, we sort of feel faintness coming on, at least I usually have. It sounds like you probably need to go to an emergency room. If you don't, please get to the doctor first thing Monday!Go to the emergency room. Have someone drive you. Someone should run some tests. That faintness and weakness could be serious. If you absolutely won't go to the emergency room, at least get some Gatorade. That can help faintness enormously. It could be just a temporary electrolyte imbalance. Gatorade can help that very quickly.Please.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on June 15, 2002 at 10:44:51 PT
Hope
I think I'm ok. My left arm is really cut up and black and blue and I can't walk very well. I'm going back to bed for a little while. What is concerning us is I don't know how it happened. I don't like not knowing why something happens. After I typed my last comment on this thread last night I stood up to walk to the bedroom and didn't make it. It was so weird. I walked and then leaned against the wall and I heard my husband saying are you ok? I couldn't answer him. He came to me and kept asking my to talk to him and I could hear him but I couldn't answer. I'm not sure how long I was not able to communicate. I know it wasn't from doing drugs or anything because I don't take any drugs or drink. Thanks for asking and I'll look for more news after I rest a little while. I'm watching Cujo! Now that's relaxing hey? LOL!
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on June 15, 2002 at 10:31:44 PT
Oh my gosh,I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes.
I NEVER cry...years of Prozac...I guess...since I used to be a weeping depressive.FoM, BGreen...I hope you both have a swift recovery. FoM, that's scary about the basement fall. Being horse people, we know a lot about falling. Every time I fall, and I've had some doozies, my first thought on landing is that I'm grateful I didn't hit my head (except for once). Hopefully your hip is just bruised but if it's like the last hip landing on a hard surface I had, it will hurt for three or four years and many bottles of Advil. :-( Get rid of the big slippers! Good shoes on your feet are more important than good tires on your car.Before you get to thinking, I'm old. This hurts so bad. Try to recall how bad they hurt when you were a kid. They hurt bad then, too.BGreen, emotional pain can be worse, sometimes, than physical pain. I hope things get better and that whatever you have to bear that you can bear it gracefully. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.Sad and alarmed as I felt, my tears didn't start until I read dddd's post. It started with one of those slowly developing, sweet feeling smiles, oddly enough, when I, in dddd's library, read, ";"..Hey!. What the fuck's goin' on ya illogical ghandi Jesus freak shithead bible quoting flower child wussy ass milktoast retentive recessive shy idiot freaky wimps!"" I couldn't help but smile. As I kept reading, I was stunned to find tears welling in my eyes. As I said, I virtually never cry...over anything, and I'm glad. I've produced gallons of tears in my lifetime. It was the pits.I'm glad this item has moved to the second page. I'm really sharing this with you, FoM, BGreen, and dddd. I'm not sure why...but it feels right that I do. There seems to be a huge understanding of some kind between us that doesn't often happen with people, at least not me. (Dang...I felt the tear place someplace around the area of my heart start welling again. Whew..I caught it. Under control again.) I guess the teariness and emotion is probably some sort of a huge cyber group hug that couldn't happen any other way.Dang. Enough mushiness!You guys be strong and well.
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Comment #63 posted by dddd on June 14, 2002 at 22:25:03 PT
..Hope you're OK FoM...
..go to bed...get some rest....dddd
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Comment #62 posted by dddd on June 14, 2002 at 22:17:57 PT
......FoM...Hope...
.....Thank you for hearing my speil...I felt kinda stupid trying to scold you....I felt uncomfortable saying anything critical toward you all,,because I myself have a history of stepping over the line of hasty critisism,that would make you two look like nuns!...I am so glad that you understood what I was trying to say......I felt a bit hypocritical in saying what I said,because I have over-reacted,and snapped out at people many times in my own comments,,but I think that even the most mischievious of prancing Trolls should be given a chance to fit in...I first surfed through here as an irreverant rascal,,and it took me a while to get acquainted with what this place is all about,,and I was sort of offended by #7s wreckless proclamations,,and I responded with my own nasty rebuttal,,,but I think things got a bit disproportionatly rough....I kinda see it like we are all sitting here in some kind of library,,and we all know to keep our voices down,,and remain polite,,,,then,,some roughcut drifter comes in off the street ..an Aqualung kind of fellow,with a half empty fifth of plain label Safeway scotch,and clothes that haven't been washed so long,,that they now have a sheen to them......Everyone looks up just in time to see the crusty old souse cough up a chunk of his lung,,and he says;"..Hey!. What the fuck's goin' on ya illogical ghandi Jesus freak shithead bible quoting flower child wussy ass milktoast retentive recessive shy idiot freaky wimps!"..............and then l look up from that dam Dawkins book I stupidly promised Industrial Strength I would read,,and I stand up to greet our new visitor on his own terms!....and I'll say;"...things were not that fucked until your old snot-flinging drunken stinky ass barged in here!.....We frown on unecessary use of profanity here,,so dont be saying a bunch of swear words or your fuckin' outa here!.....
...well,,,once again,,,,I have ended up wandering into a silly,,,reckless space trip that I cant gracefully finish,, so,, I'll say;;FoM,,,you're the Best!,,,well,,wait a minute,,,I think maybe Hope is actually the Best,,,it's very close..I gotta get a new Bestometer...............
....believe it or not,,I am easily flustered by compliments,,and I become very angry when people say too much nice stuff about me!, ,,so knock it off Hope!...................................love....from outer space.....d..d...d...d
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Comment #61 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 22:08:07 PT
If time crept by like tonight
I'd be here for 1,000 years.Make sure your hubby takes care of you.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 22:03:08 PT
BGreen
I hope you work your problems out ok. I'm not feeling very well so I'm going off line until morning. Try to have a good weekend! Life is short.
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Comment #59 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 21:59:08 PT
Yeah
Personal problems. It'll pass.Thanks for asking.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 21:49:28 PT
BGreen
Thank you so much. Is everything going to be ok on your end?
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Comment #57 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 21:45:20 PT
My prayers are with you, FoM
I've had the worst night of my life, as well. Take care of yourself.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 21:35:45 PT
Hi Hope and everyone
You are a good person with a sensitive nature. You seem to be be much like me in the way you think. I haven't commented because something happened to me a few hours ago and I was just now able to get the transcripts posted from PI's last night program and I hope I didn't make a mistake but I don't think I did. I'm currently in shock and am not sure how I'll feel in a few hours. I doubt I'll be able to type very well for a little while but this is ok so maybe I will be able to type. We here at C News are a good bunch of people and everyone should be able to speak their minds. Some people are very sensitive about certain issues including me and we defend those issues. I don't agree with some people, even close friends, but that's ok and doesn't change how I feel about them if this makes sense. Number 7 surely can continue to post and question. Learning is a wonderful thing and I learn new things everyday. What happened to me and then I think I need to go to bed early is I was shutting up a door in the basement and was coming up the steps and I don't know what happened, accept I might have tripped on my overly big slippers, at this point but I lost my balance and fell backward down about 4 or 5 steps and landed on the cement floor. I don't think my arm is broken but I'll know a little later when the pain kicks in. I took some bufferin right away and what hurts really bad is my left hip and back. I yelled for my husband but he couldn't hear me so after what seemed like a long time I was able to make it up the stairs and then he heard me and is with me so I'll be ok. I might have a fracture in my hip because I've had broken bones before from horse falls and it very well could be. We'll see soon. If I get behind on the news that will be why. It really scared me but I'm very glad didn't hit my head.
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 20:54:56 PT
Number 7
I really don't like having the last word. You are more than welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned.Somebody?Anybody?dddd?I don't want the last word.
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 19:27:36 PT
when you were sick, dddd,
It did seem like someone I had a cup of coffee with every day and was really fond of was in danger. The dread of possibly losing you was very real. The prayers and hopes were real. The happiness at your return was and is real.
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 19:15:01 PT
dddd
A bit grudgingly, I have to admit, that to a great extent, you are right. While I agree with the bumper sticker, "Mean People Suck", when I read, "...but let's not flip out right away like some republican drug-pig-cop-asshole!...", my conscience flinched. It won't be easy, but if Number 7 or The Troll or whatever he wants his handle to be rejoins us, I will try to offer him an apology. I won't apologize for being angry and telling him that he was a nasty boy...or girl, but I realize now that I went too far. I've learned this before about myself. I've gone too far when I find myself sort of enjoying my anger. I've been told that when you hate, and I don't mean Number 7, I don't hate him at all, that when you hate, you are in real danger of becoming like that which you hate. I felt a bit of the wrong kind of satisfaction after lecturing Number 7. I shouldn't have compared him to a child. That is extremely insulting...it is to me anyway. Unless you think I'm as beautiful or have the complexion of a child...that's ok. I don't want to be told I act like one. I worked hard to get these miles behind me and I don't want any hint of anyone doubting my maturity. I'm sorry about that.
While he did, a few times, insult us, that didn't call for two wrongs. Miles behind me or not, I never get to stop learning and hopefully, growing. I am mildly ashamed of some of my insulting and condescending manner, but ashamed, none the less. Dang. I don't like that feeling and will be more diligent about avoiding having to reap that particular feeling again. I will mess up, though, no matter how good my intentions for the future are right now. I know that. But hey...I do think I can honestly say I can see some improvement in myself. I'm sorry it sometimes has to come at the expense of another person's feelings. I guess I'm not as tolerant as I thought I was and maybe I'm not really all that far from "being like some republican drug-pig-cop-asshole". I better be careful...because that's not what I want to be. This is an open forum. This really isn't FoM's kitchen, although it sort of seems that way sometimes. People who don't like us can come in, pull up a chair and call us idiots if they want to. We are in a public place. No reason to pull out a can of whup ass on em.
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 17:46:55 PT
dddd
I know what you mean. I have a very bad temper. I can be very blunt and cruel but if I can learn to keep myself in check I think others can too. I'm very slow to judge anymore. I find that is the best way. People have a bad day now and then and I understand that. That's part of life.
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Comment #51 posted by dddd on June 14, 2002 at 17:34:09 PT
...FoM...
..I know,,,,it's true...you're right...,people shouldn't be mean to each other....but the sad truth is that there will always be people who are mean...there will always be people who are mean to each other,,and mean to themselves.. These are the people who we all know,,,and these "mean" people are part of all the people who who are here reading this now......I understand what you are saying about not wanting to have "mean" people invading the "niceness",that we have here,,,,but I think that the only hope for "mean" people,,is for them to meet up with "nice" people,,who can try and help them to not be so mean!....Ideally,,this would be a place that only "nice" people were allowed to visit,,and we could have a seperate area for "mean" people.....but,,as you know,,"mean" people will always be wandering through here...Angry Trolls,and bitter Gremlins will prance about making obscene gestures,,,angry Gargoyles will even drift on by occassionally,,,,,...........All I'm saying,,is that I think we should be careful not to judge people too quickly...People say stuff they didnt mean to say all the time...Angry people will quite often lash out in frustration,,,,I found some of the comments made by 7 ,,quite "mean", and rude. ...but I also found alot of the responding comments to be equally mean and rude...
....You kindof know me pretty well FoM,,,and you know that I'm not trying to make waves here,,,but I really think that we should try to "roll with the punches",so to speak,,,because there are alot of people out there,who are on the same side we are on,,but are still learning how to express their frustrations,,and what may seem to be mean,,or rude ,,could easily be someones temporary tantrum.......all we can do is keep on keepin on........dddd
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Comment #50 posted by qqqq on June 14, 2002 at 16:46:07 PT
...I am probably wrong BGreen
...it's probably true that #7s comments were pure trash..I am probably stupid to try and attempt to even attempt to be an advocate for this wreckless #7 person......It may be true that #7 has nothing to contribute that could be considered edifying...I just think #7 was jump on,and condemned in a bit of a hasty manner......I like to think that I can get along with anybody,,and just because some angry asshole throws a few misguided shocking comments our way,,it doesnt mean we should stoop to the level of telling them to fuck off...I think we should try to reason with the sonuvabitch....It's true,,,rude shit was said by #7,,,but let's not flip out right away like some republican drug-pig-cop-asshole!...let's keep a level head,,and look upon some hothead "troll",in a more reserved,and diplomatic way....#7 may be an outspoken,,rude,,raw arrogant,,pompous ,,,bigshot,,,shithead,,,,but I dont think he has done anything that should make people excommunicate him from this forum!...If we cant hack a bit of crude,,raw ,,contraversial crap here,without flippin' out,and rejecting people who annoy us,,,then,,,?
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 16:32:26 PT
dddd
I guess I should explain. I remember Elliot Fleener very well. He drove me CrAzY!!! No not really but you said you were sorry and have been very kind and thoughtful ever since then. You even told me when you got a new name. People don't have to agree but they shouldn't be mean to one another. How can a community of people that are suppose to be on the same side learn to get along in cyberspace? We are friends. We care about each other. You know that. Everyone was very concerned when you were so very sick. That's what I want for this web site. If we work hard that can be achieved and in the future many of us will meet and form long time friendships I'm sure. I marvel at what is being accomplished. The day 9-11 happened I remember Patrick asking if he could hang around C News that day. I didn't have any news to post needless to say and we shared our fears, angers, griefs and concerns in the many days to come. I also want you to know I didn't ban Number 7.
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Comment #48 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 16:09:33 PT
qqqq
If you can give me one example of anything that could be described as being more weird ,intolerant, or crap than what Number 7 has said, we'd all be glad to rethink our actions.
He appears to be the only person telling us to get violent, and the only thing violence will do is change his number to Prisoner #7653788.
Number 7 has also spoken to every one of us with such disdain that he has illicited the comments he's received in response.
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Comment #47 posted by dddd on June 14, 2002 at 16:08:18 PT
..FoM...
..you know I love you,,and I respect your judgement on anything that goes on here,,,and I apologize for my brash outburst,,it's not like me,,and I dont want to step on any toes,,,,but I meant what I said.....When I first commented here yearts ago,,I was a troll named Elliot Fleener...I got in trouble with Kap,and Observer for going out of bounds...I posted fake things like this when I first posted here.:
"Now there is no reason for anyone to want to smoke marijuana.This is a free country,but a proper freedom,is a controlled freedom.
Imagine if you will,that we allowed people to smoke anything they wanted to?I'll bet that after our children got tired of smoking pot,and all the poor sick people who have hopped aboard this,"medical marijuana"bandwagon,realize that these "blunts",didnt cure their cancer,or allow them to walk away from their wheelchairs,,Then what?Why the next thing you know,these people would be smoking sawdust,or granola,or lint.
Tobacco is the only thing anyone should smoke.At least we know that it is not that good for you.All the experts like Barry McCaffrey agree,that not enough research has been done on marijuana.No one knows what may happen to these misled,sick citizens,who have been fooled into thinking that smoking marijuana makes them feel better.
Maybe someday,drug companies will develop a marijuana like drug that will be able to be tested,and approved to be made legal.I dont think that people should be allowed to grow plants and smoke them.
Why must everyone blame Mr. McCaffrey for their problems with illegal drugs?He knows what he's doing.He is an honest military man,who would not do anything that would make it harder to reach his goals.I think most of his critics are people who use illegal drugs,and as we know,this is against the law.
Let's listen to our leaders.
Blossom Goldbergstein
Newport Beach,CA "
....Someone even went to the trouble of trying to find a Blossom Goldbergstein in the Newport Beach phone book!...yes,,I was once what I guess you would call a troll!...Maybe I am still a troll,,or a Gremlin,,,,nope,,I'm actually a Leprachaun!..
I'm not trying to be making any problems here.,,and I respect whatever you think is the right thing,,,,,but I stand by my opinion,that I think perhaps we should beware about being a bit to sensitive,,and quick to judge people who's comments seem offensive......Respectfully...dddd
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Comment #46 posted by qqqq on June 14, 2002 at 15:46:21 PT
furthermore.....
..Number 7,,,,you are OK in my book!...I am shocked by the intolerant attitude that has reared its ugly head here! .. you may have said some mean spirited,and contraversial things here,,,,and you even said some rather insulting thjings,,,but that doesnt justify the weird ,intolerant,crap that was thrown back at you!.....I hope you will forgive whatever has occured here,,and I hope the people who need to be forgiven,,will also forgive whatever it is that needs to be forgiven!.....Sincerely.....4q
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 15:46:17 PT
dddd
I sure don't mean to upset you but I feel strongly about certain things. I hope you understand. I'm not upset. One thing I try not to do is to react to my emotions. I try hard to make decisions that are best for the over all good of the site and the people who read and post here. I know it is a judgment call but I am the one who has to make them. It goes with the territory.
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Comment #44 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 15:45:28 PT
dddd
This from a guy whose name is just a four-letter word.I think you have NO RIGHT to think the way you do, and I'm going to whine until you think JUST LIKE ME!!!!!MWAH---HA-HA-HA-HA-H(Evil laughter loses something in the translation to print.) LOL
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Comment #43 posted by dddd on June 14, 2002 at 15:34:12 PT
...Hey...wait a minute!
..I'm sorry,,but I am going to have to tell everyone to lighten up on Number 7/The Troll!!...Seriously.. Shame on you all...FoM,,I think it is ridiculous of you to get upset,just because this person wants to be called the Troll...Hope,,I think you should step back,and try to not let some abstract comments offend you!...I'm serious..I dont think Nuimber 7,,or The Troll has gone out of bounds in a way that would justify your reactions!. ..Really...think about it!..There is no reason to be so wimpy and sensitive!...If you cant take a little heat,,then get out of the freekin kitchen!....I'm sorry to be so blunt,,but I think you all should lighten up a bit!
...Sincerely....dddd
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Comment #42 posted by Number 7 on June 14, 2002 at 14:12:37 PT
You win
I didn't know what I thought I would find here when I first decided to look. I guess I thought I would find people who are truly fed up with the status quo and willing to do more than just go through the usual channels. I was wrong.I have more chance of becoming a millionare than there exists for an end to the war on drugs.The more mellow and calm my posts have become, the more, some of you, have resorted to name calling and head games.This is my last post here on this thread. Have the last word. You'll have it anyways...
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Comment #41 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 14:03:17 PT
I agree
Believe me, I do a lot of editing my remarks before I post. Anybody can see, as Hope pointed out, that we have people from every walk of life, and when ONE person comes in creating problems, even if they can't see it for themselves, it is the epitome of rudeness!I have nothing to apologize for, and the regular posters have shown themselves to be patient and extremely civil to some that don't deserve it.I've seen it happen time after time where ONE person creates the illusion of discord, but when people read the posts, it's pretty clear who the instigator and perpetuator is.
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 13:57:06 PT
oops!
"I also realize not everyone else" in my last post should have read, "I also realize not everyone else does."Sorry, BGreen and FoM. I was typing while some of these posts were made. It is very honorable to defend our friends against unjust attacks.Number 7/The Troll really is doing a lot of gleeful "prancing" about. No doubt. Even he/she will likely agree to that perception. I have cared for children since I was a child myself. I don't know whether Number 7/The Troll is a child or not...but you are right.BGreen. He or she does need to "grow up" or mature a bit. To me, watching a child or emotionally immature person mature is one of the most fascinating things in the world. If someone is willing to "prance" around in front of me...I am virtually incapable of ignoring them, unless I can see that it might do them good to be ignored...as in a temper tantrum situation. The Troll isn't having a temper tantrum. He's being a smart ass. He's prancing about to goad us into something he can observe gleefully. I see this behavior in children all the time. I try, if they aren't being abusive, to smile and invite them to share with me the idea that is making them "prance" about so. They often do. We often become friends. I often get to watch them grow. Sometimes they don't. But it really is a joy for me to watch the finest of all creatures to develop into an even finer creature before my eyes.I hope you'll forgive me for not ignoring the little -----, I mean, prancer!
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Comment #39 posted by Number 7 on June 14, 2002 at 13:46:27 PT
Freedom???
Freedom is a myth.I don't disparage any of you personally, just your methods.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 13:44:20 PT
BGreen
That was very kind of you. You know I respect you and the other people that comment here day after day too. Respect that is what we are need. We shouldn't be rude to one another? That's what it seems to be about sometimes. What good does being rude do? It tears down and doesn't lift up others and soon people won't come to a site that gets inflamed with hate. It might seem like a game to some but it is very destructive.
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 13:36:15 PT
The Troll a.k.a. Number 7
You really are welcome to converse with us. If you choose to drop in from time to time you will find that we often disagree with each other. You aren't the only one that hates the Bible quotes. Some of us, though, live in areas and communities when the big "moral" picture is thrown at us when we mention changing drug policy. Many of those moralists, will try to use words written in that very popular tome, as a blunt instrument to beat us into submission. Some of us feel, that in those cases, it's a good idea to be knowledgeable on the subject and able to fight back with a bit of a "double edged sword" when they do that. Sort of a "fight fire with fire" sort of thing. I like to think of it has whuppin out my finely sharpened sword when someone tries to bash me with something they apparently think I'm a fool in regards to. I like the "sword fight". I also realize not everyone else. I'm not saying that you absolutely have to carry the same "sword" that I do. God forbid! :-) We are all free individuals and we treat each other with respect. If you hang out awhile you will find that I am the dumbest person that often posts here, well except maybe for dddd, :-). These guys are brilliant. We have scientists, physicists, programmers, professors, doctors, an astrologer,activists that devote every hour they can to changing drug policy, young people, old people, Atheists, Agnostics, Unitarians, Baptists, lawyers, Rasta, Non denominational believers, Buddhists, hippies, cowboys, Indians, ranchers, farmers, hoodlums, hooligans, and outlaws. We disagree about a lot of things. We agree about a lot of things. You are more than welcome to converse with us...but please, don't disparage or belittle any of us...leave that to the enemy.
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Comment #36 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 13:28:51 PT
Grow up
Type all you want, but you will be ignored from now on.BTW, disrespecting FoM is a STUPID thing to do in this forum. She is loved and respected for her hard work, and you blew it. She's also the moderator, so she has the final say.You're alone in your tantrum, so go whine to someone who cares.
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Comment #35 posted by The Troll on June 14, 2002 at 13:10:51 PT
sorry but no
I was a number but now I am a free man, or troll, as some of you have put it.My crime: disharmony
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 13:03:33 PT
Name
Just the name. I really don't have time right now to talk about it but please register another name.
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Comment #33 posted by The Troll on June 14, 2002 at 12:59:46 PT
Explain
Precisely what problem am I causing?
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 12:52:59 PT
Not a Good Name
I really would appreciate it if you didn't try to come here and cause problems. Thank you.
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Comment #31 posted by The Troll on June 14, 2002 at 12:18:27 PT
The troll lurketh
I liked that so much I will change my handle to it. Thank you for the great idea."Be seeing you" is a quote, not my intention of leavingGo ahead, ignore me. No one is making you respond to any thing I post. So what really is your problem with athiets??? Am I right, am I wrong, I don't know what happens when you die, but at least I can admit it. I see no evidence of god, allah, jehovah, or any other deity. For some reason that bugs you. So much so that it makes some of you sound as angry as you claim I am.I don't believe in this passive method of winning the drug war either. For some reason it bugs you that we may have to resort to the very same methods that freed us from our English overlords. I have seen only ONE person express that reality. The rest of you seem to think you can legislate an end to the drug war or hope Canada can influence our laws.I wish you luck folks
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on June 14, 2002 at 10:52:48 PT
Prancing Trolls!
Thanks for the laugh once again!BGreen that sounds like a great explanation of a troll. They are an odd bunch I'd say.
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Comment #29 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 09:23:19 PT
anger
I like to think that I am "slow to anger". But when I read Number 7's illogically hateful post, something roiled up in me that forced me to have to throw in my 2 cents worth, whether is was logical to do so or not. Some things just have to be said. (I get in more trouble like that, probably than any other way.) Anyway, it felt a righteous sort of anger and if I held on to what I thought in this situation it would have festered, and given the troll a "foothold"....so to speak.As our dear FoM would have said,"There. I said it. Now I feel better."
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 09:07:26 PT
pppp
LOL!!
"it's invigorating to have a troll come prancing through..."
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Comment #27 posted by pppp on June 14, 2002 at 04:14:08 PT
Trolls
..I kinda like Trolls,,,,and Gremlins too......it's invigorating to have a troll come prancing through...
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Comment #26 posted by BGreen on June 14, 2002 at 03:49:46 PT
The magical lives of Trolls
They appear out of nowhere, posting their displeasure at something, then disappear back into Troll land. Then, as sure as their brightly colored wild hair and outstretched palms, another one reappears to point out just how we need to think.Let's not feed them and maybe they'll die.
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Comment #25 posted by pppp on June 14, 2002 at 02:30:32 PT
....OK Number 7....
...I appreciate your provactive comments,,but your gonna have to do a bit better than tossing about cheap,cheesy crap like;.."We need people on our side that can think with logic, not point to some bible quote that can be easily countered by
some other bible quote."..........So I guess we need more people like you!?...really loud bigmouth people who can drop in and take control of our poor misguided "Ghandi",comments....
...Apparently,,you have mastered the art of logic,,and this is what we need to win over those who oppose the drug war.....OK..that makes sense....Me,,and all my bible verse friends will be waiting for you to join us with your new "logic" plan so we can make some progress here....
I agree with you to an extent,,,bible quotes are not going to dazzle anyone into ending Marijuana prohibition,,,,,But,,Do you think some fucking Dr. Laura letter quote is somehow logically connected to winning the battle?...Do you think your pompous and arrogant critique of other peoples comments is a logical,and constructive way to approach these matters?....I dont mean to be rude,,and I hope you will continue to give your viewpoints here,,no matter what they may be,,,,but if you're going to critisize other peoples efforts at discussing things ,,then the least you could do,would be to add your own 'logical' ideas,instead of merely trashing other peoples efforts.......
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 01:22:07 PT
Number 7
That better not be your hateful, "logical" ass sneaking around here to check these posts after you insulted and discounted so many of us then ran off in a huff.You said, "We need people on our side that can think with logic, not point to some bible quote that can be easily countered by some other bible quote."You are so wrong. We most definitely need all kinds of people on our side, especially people who can counter the self righteous and misled with their own favorite blunt instrument of choice. A trouble maker is what we need least of all. We have enough of that already, wise man.
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 01:11:54 PT
About this article
DEA Director Asa Hutchinson stated: "This is an important ruling because it leaves in place a sound decision made by DEA, in consultation with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), that there is no basis to remove marijuana from schedule I. Current medical and scientific evidence continues to demonstrate that marijuana has a high potential for abuse and no safe and effective medical use." They, prohibitionists, should be ashamed and they will be some day. The sooner the better.
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 01:08:14 PT
and furthermore
I am not arguing with Number 7. I am not even speaking to him. He's gone if he's telling the truth. I'm encouraging anyone who might have believed he might have been right and feels a bit sad about it.I too have read that piece about the Canadian and Mexican "slaves" and all...I laughed. It is funny. It's circulated around the web many times. I circulated it a bit myself. Those Biblical words were written at a time though, when all of the things mentioned were a real part of everyday life. Not every single bit of advice or rule for that era applies to this day and time. Good grief! Logic tells you that. Thank God things sometimes change for the better. And I'm thankful that he's allowing me to a bit in helping to change things for the better this time.
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Comment #21 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 01:02:47 PT
The third is:
The last is, "But the Bible says, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." My rebuttal: Sometimes the "authorities" go wrong and God has to send someone to make things right when they do not do what is right from within. In the case of cannabis and drug laws, I, and many others like me believe that we are doing what God wants us to do in pointing out the injustice of these laws. What about Hitler? He was a "governing authority"? What about the Romans who made a legal sport of torturing and killing people because they were Christians? There are many "governing authorities" to this day that will execute you for practicing or speaking Christianity. In some places it's legal today to kill your daughter for having sex out of wedlock. Do you honestly think that a "governing authority" like the Taliban should not be resisted...just because it's the "governing authority"? What about, " Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings." in the book of Colossians? What about, "Woe to the makers of unjust laws"? Slavery was once completely legal. Do you agree that God is for abortion? If you do, then why do so many Christians protest against it? Are they disobeying God by resisting the law in such matters?""The Word of God is a two edged sword"....I am one mighty sword fighter, by the Grace of God. When you are right, you are right.While Number 7 may not like to read your posts, GCW, I enjoy them. You have as much right to post them as he has to post his angry, bigoted remarks. Where is the "logic" he so loves, in attacking someone who means him no harm and is doing everything he knows how to do to help our cause. He may disagree with your methods, but he has no right to insult you or treat you like a child to be reprimanded.I'm sure you knew all this, GCW, but didn't want to argue with this angry person, because you follow the advice in Scripture not to get involved in "silly meaningless arguments". Also, I know you consider the scriptures that you post as precious, "pearls"...and you don't want to muddy them by tossing them...you know where.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 01:01:09 PT
The second is:
The second is "But you are destroying your body with that stuff and the Bible says, "Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple."" This bit is Paul speaking about divisions and arguments within the church at Corinth about who did what to develop whose spirituality and who was the greatest at what they considered at that time as 'doing God's work'. Paul told them that everyone had a part in the work and that it all worked together. Such as "one laying the foundation and another building on it".
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on June 14, 2002 at 00:59:01 PT
GCW, BGreen, Goneposthole
Number 7 says, "The only point I was trying to make is that those who are for the war on drugs can come up with just as many bible quotes as The GCW." He's wrong. There are only three that can be brought up against our cause and they all are easily rebutted as far as applying to cannabis use.The first is, "But your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and the Bible says, "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body."" This section is referring to sexual activity that is of the sort that can lead to problems in the family and love and peace and all that good stuff.
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Comment #18 posted by Lone Wolf on June 13, 2002 at 14:01:08 PT
RJA
Well, at least someone sticks to the point
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Comment #17 posted by Rev Jonathan Adler on June 13, 2002 at 13:06:36 PT:
Solution to Ignorance is Knowledge!
Interesting that the self-serving DEA has again succeeded in bending the facts so badly that the Judge's decision on scheduling for High Time's case ignores the government's own report? Remember; the IOM study and Analysis that Barry commisioned and displayed at a news conference which stated bluntly that it was mis-scheduled and did have medical benefit????? It's time we figure out what kind of carrot will lead this DEAonkey to water. I suggest we conference and select a plan of action to dis-lodge the prejudice and avarice that controls law enforcement and replace it with
public consciousness and cooperation. I hope my case simplifies this and allows us to work together on a level playng field. Someone has to do this job. I am a candidate
for Governor in Hawaii and I speak freely with Tom Kelly our local station chief. We have a good chance to progress. Thanks to Paul Peterson for the kiund mention. Aloha and let's heal together.
ADLER$GOV>COM
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Comment #16 posted by Number 7 on June 13, 2002 at 11:18:53 PT
Logic vs. the bible
Let me say one more thing for those of you who just don't get it.The only point I was trying to make is that those who are for the war on drugs can come up with just as many bible quotes as The GCW.
We need a better weapon than the bible. It is called logic, BGreen. A powerful weapon it is. In the letter, an obvious christian was using his own bible quotes to counter Dr. Laura's bible quotes. Do you really think that someone can't do this to the quotes from The GCW??? Yeah, I noticed the religion of both the letter writer and Dr. Laura. That was part of my point.My sugestion (I did say please and I didn't use caps, the usual way to express anger on these boards) to The GCW was that a better weapon be used. If any of you want to take offense, that is your problem not mine.
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Comment #15 posted by Number 7 on June 13, 2002 at 10:30:24 PT
truth hurts sometimes
Oh did I hurt someones wittle feelings??? B-O-O H-O-OConsidering that this is an open board, I will also say anything I wish.You guys crack me up. Do you really think this Ghandi shit is going to change things??? The only thing a person can do to protect oneself in the drug war is to get wealthy. Then the feds won't mess with you.I couldn't care less what religion anyone is as long as it doen't take money out of my pocket or interfere with the way I want to live. As far as I am concerned religion is part of the problem, not the solution. Although I have not read the koran, it is probably another lousy history book full of superstition and fairie tales.We need people on our side that can think with logic, not point to some bible quote that can be easily countered by some other bible quote.Here are some of the quotes I like:I am not a number, I am a free man.Religion was created to control men's minds.When I go to sleep at night I like to think of revenge. That way I have good dreams...Don't give me no beef, just hand me that spliffBe seeing you...
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on June 13, 2002 at 06:31:53 PT
Important News Brief from SFC
Judge Enjoins Clubs from Dispensing Pot
Chronicle Staff Report
Thursday, June 13, 2002
After rejecting the latest legal arguments by Northern California medical marijuana clubs, a federal judge has issued a permanent injunction prohibiting three clubs from distributing the drug.
In an order made public Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer of San Francisco granted the Justice Department's request for an order against the Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative, the Marin Alliance for Medical Marijuana in Fairfax and a dispensary in Ukiah.
The U.S. Supreme Court last year rejected the Oakland cooperative's claim that federal law allowed distribution to patients with a proven medical necessity.
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Comment #13 posted by goneposthole on June 12, 2002 at 20:08:32 PT
Leave GCW alone
Look for the log in your own eye, not the speck that you think you see in GCW's.
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Comment #12 posted by BGreen on June 12, 2002 at 20:01:34 PT
?????
You diss the Bible and then quote a letter sent to Dr. Laura?You'll notice that Dr. Laura is a Jew and The GCW is a Christian.Oops!Disregard The GCW if you wish, but don't tell any of us what we can say or what we can quote.
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Comment #11 posted by Number 7 on June 12, 2002 at 19:53:56 PT
The GCW...
Will you please quit quoting the bible. That rag has no credibility. It is wrong on more than one occasion and on more than one subject. As an example let me post this copy of a letter sent to Dr. Laura.Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, Jim, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative: Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord--Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness--Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination--Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of threads(cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. (end of letter)My point is this: Because this poorly written history book is held in such esteem, especially by the enemies of the legalization movement, if any one part can be proved wrong then all of it is wrong. Religion was created to control minds and bible quotes can be used to justify ANYTHING, even the war on drugs. Someone who belives in the bible would just counter your quotes with others.
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Comment #10 posted by paul peterson on June 12, 2002 at 15:53:14 PT:
SCOREBOARD
1) Oregon federal judge blasts JOHN ASHCROFT for trying to impede a physician-patient relationship (in that assisted suicide law).2) Idaho bust struck down because marijuana was not listed as a "narcotic" (loophole filled quickly, of course).3) US Supreme Court (5/14/01) finds only way to sell pot is as part of a DEA program (but doesn't rule on whether pot has medicinal qualities, or whether states can legislated for personal use for medicine!-Thomas's note makes note that Bush says it's a state's right, baby!)4) DC Federal Judge rules for the First Amendment-DC must allow medical marijuana issue on the ballot, baby!5) 9th Circuit Court of Appeals says Religious Freedom Restoration Act allows for "possession" of pot on federal enclaves (but no can do to import, or sell, or buy, etc.)6) 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (2 judges so far, anyway) say doctors can "talk about pot all day long" First Amendment Freedom, of course.7) 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will also soon decide if there is rational basis to prohibit hemp foods, where they allow those "poppy seed" muffins and such.8) John Adler (our Hawaii correspondent) has an important religious freedom case with a pivotal decision due in TWO WEEKS-He is running for governor-watch the news light up on this one when it comes in! (1-Hawaii constitution 1978 gives the right of privacy to "smoke in the home", 2- legistature finds there is a medicinal value to pot, ie: no compelling interest to ban medical use, 3-judge now has to decide-under the same constitution whether there is a "compelling state interest" to restrict religious use, ie: 4-how do you find such a compelling interest in between private use in the home and medical use? You can't-watch the news!) 9) On the rebound from the Supreme Court decision, of course, Judge Breyer wryly wondered whether "he must consider the implications of "JURY NULLIFICATION" in his injunction action against those California Kids (the cannabis clubs-remember what the Supremes said? no can do to sell pot without the DEA pinky ring and all).10) Oregon now has a world class program in place, with permanent regulations and all- HOW DO THEY DO IT? And avoid those pesky DEA stains-ring around the collar and all? They mandate that the pot doesn't get bought or sold, or distributed or brought in or out- Seed in, plant grows, person harvests to use in house, no COMMERCE, that's what! (For larger scale programs, to help the invalids that can't grow their own?- Just like in some large offices, they have these green people come in regularly to water the plants, trim the dead stuff off, etc.- People in California might even take to having PUBLIC EMPLOYEES BE THE GREEN MACHINE, EH?- THEN THE DEA HAS NO WAY TO BITCH AT THEM, BECAUSE THERE IS NO DISTRIBUTION, etc.).11. This is an important season, here in the land of 2002. Politicians all over are "coming out", every other English speaking country is moving towards decriminalization, even our friends to the north, and those people with the queen with hippy kids, you know the ones. No matter how vehement ASA HUTCHINSON sounds, he is misreporting this case, decided on PROCEDURAL GROUNDS, not on real medicine or real law. Important momentum is building everywhere, and after this election, if the "liberal" team gains seats, our friends out east will have to address this issue, and seriously. Keep the faith, get registered to vote, and vote, damn it, OK? And that's an order.
http:// ILLINOIS-MMI.org
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Comment #9 posted by dimebag on June 12, 2002 at 14:26:47 PT
Who Runs This country any way?
I thought the People run this country. Isnt this a democracy. Shouldnt we be able to Vote on weather or not we want Marijuana Decriminalized? Well apparantly The Fed. Gov knows whats best for us and the good of the country. Fuck that shit. Im tired of just standing around waiting for shit to happen. The DEA knows that Pot heads are Lazy and they know were are too chick shit to up rise against them. But they should at least just once, if this is a TRUE Democracy, have a national vote on weather or not Marijuana Should Be legal.. If our governemt is truely interested in taking money out of the terrorist hands, then they should Legalize all drugs.....
Humm, here is a thought. Ever wonder if The Gov. is just having too much fun tracking down criminals and busting people for non violent crimes. Get this. What seems easier. Tracking down Pot smokers and throwing them in jail, or Protecting our Country from Invading Terrorists.
I would Say, Tracking down Pot Smokers. So maybe our Gov. is just too lazy to do anything else. I mean, we had members of the Taliban working on our side when this shit happend on 9/11 and he even told us that shit was about to hit the fan and all our government wanted to hear about was the Drug Routes they were using to get Heroin into the country. Its Bull Shit. Our gov. doesnt want to have it hard. They want it easy, and the war on Drugs is Easy. And They make it look like we are concentrating on Terrorist activities, but they are doing a half assed job of that. I mean, they let 4 planes get hijacked, and used as missiles on our own people. THEY LET THAT HAPPEN. Think about it. A plane has a Flight path... If it deviateds from that path and loses contact, there is standard procedure by the U.S Air Force to Send F-16 fighter jets to locate that Plane, Make Contact with it and If it cannot, then they decide if the situation has become hostile. If so, then they have no choice but to shoot the plane down, if they have reason to beleive that the plane is dangerous then they will shoot it down.
They didnt even Dispatch the F-16 jets, they just let our people DIE, and for what, so they could go to pittiful war for OIL...
Money is the Root of all evil and Our Government is the Tree.Dimebag.
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Comment #8 posted by masscrusader on June 12, 2002 at 12:24:58 PT
Credibility
I just cannot belive the DEA is that dumb. When over 70 percent of the population believe it has medical value, press releases like these hurt the credibility of everything they do. Even those who support other aspects of the war on some drugs are cynical to the true objectives of this death squad. When the shit hits the fan I hope it chokes whoever posted this garbage (on the DEA's page).
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Comment #7 posted by The GCW on June 12, 2002 at 12:19:42 PT
Fact is: these lies are a blessing, Biblically.
We are told that the deluding influence will come, and so if we notice it, when it comes, as Biblically written, then it is clearly a blessing to see it.Think about it... You are Blessed to be able to see this, for YOur own sake.Their lies, by seeing them, is Our blessing.It also seems a confirmation.2 Thess. 2:11-12; http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=2THES%2B2&showfn=on&showxref=on&language=english&version=NASB&x=14&y=8 Titled: Man of Lawlessness (read the whole chapter + realize the [mentioned]Apostasy is the title of 1 Tim. 4:1-5.)For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.WE ARE ALL GREEN COLLAR WORKERS Through the Holy Spirit of Truth, it seems the entire Bible is relevent, to Our cause...2 Tim. 2:6-7;
The hard-working farmer ought to be the first to receive his share of the crops.
7 Consider what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.:19; "The Lord knows those who are His," and, " Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."For what it's worth, the NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE, is written in the same style of English, Americans use. The N.A.S.B. also has subtitles that seem to extend perspective.WE ARE ALL GREEN COLLAR WORKERS Titus 3:9-11; titled: Godly Livinghttp://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=TIT%2B3&showfn=on&showxref=on&language=english&version=NASB&x=12&y=8But avoid foolish controversies (that would include the controversy of killing and caging a human for using a plant)and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a man is () perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned. (read this whole chapter, as it is all relevent)WE ARE ALL GREEN COLLAR WORKERS When the extent of lies oozes from the bad seed, we do not even have to judge them:THEY ARE THE SELF-CONDEMNED.That that we are given is a blessing. Somehow it is all a blessing.Caging a human for using a plant IS perverted.
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Comment #6 posted by el_toonces on June 12, 2002 at 12:15:36 PT:
yeah right
DEA should be ashamed of how they bushwhacked HHS into agreeing with getting Gettman's suit (for refusal to honor the ALJ's findings on Gettman's petition to re-schedule) dismissed on largely technical and procedural grounds. The Court never addressed ANY medical issues.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on June 12, 2002 at 11:10:02 PT
Just a Note
I never had any correspondence with Mr. Cowan until recently. He is a very nice person who is dedicated to changing the laws and is highly respected by me and many, many people. I really appreciate what he does. He's an icon in the marijuana reform movement.
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Comment #4 posted by p4me on June 12, 2002 at 11:00:06 PT
Give Richard Cowan credit for this one
Richard Cowan's piece on this was titled " Top Story: Documenting DEA Lies About Medical Cannabis Ruling:
“High Court Upholds Marijuana As Dangerous Drug.” But the Court
Did Nothing of the Sort." and can be seen at: http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=532 It is hard not to believe that when presented to a court with all the medical evidence the Schedule 1 status will have to fall. I just do not understand why it has not challenged at this late date. Here is a little of what the great journalist Richard Cowan had to say at marijuananews.com:Gettman was simply seeking to force the DEA to agree to the
rescheduling of cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule II, so that it
could be prescribed by doctors.
See
Marijuana does not really belong in Schedule II, of course, but this is
the starting point.
See
Marinol Was The First Schedule 2 Drug To Be "Down-Scheduled,"
Boasts Roxanne On Its New Marinol.com Web Site.
Doesn’t That Mean That It Should Never Have Been Schedule 2
Anyway? However, the court did not rule on the merits of the case, but simply
said that Gettman was not a patient, was not an injured party, and
therefore lacked "standing" to bring the suit. The ruling is on line at
http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/dc/011182.html1
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Comment #3 posted by E_Johnson on June 12, 2002 at 10:58:32 PT
73% of America disagrees
These people had better understand that we are right and we are eventually going to win and after we do, they will need to think about what their careers will be.
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Comment #2 posted by masscrusader on June 12, 2002 at 10:55:53 PT
Why Civil Disobedience?
Why not Criminal Disobedience? They will suffer just as much one day. The greedy always do. You can read about this in any business ethics class. This one's for you Asa, by lying to me, a sufferer of Crohn's disease and user of MMJ, I WILL take you down with me if you deny me this. I would rather get shot in the head by an overzealous DEA agent of yours than die the way of this crap I have to deal with for the rest of my life.
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Comment #1 posted by idbsne1 on June 12, 2002 at 10:41:46 PT
God help us.....
Just read that the US State Department is making problems in Milosevic's War Crimes Trial. Fuck the US Government. #1 enemy to God.idbsne1
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