The Other War

  The Other War

Posted by FoM on October 06, 2001 at 08:31:44 PT
By Scott Davison, Columnist 
Source: Times Record News  

The reactions to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 have been many and varied. There was the understandable horror and shock of a nation taken completely by surprise. There was the typically American outpouring of generosity and sympathy. New York was inundated with money, blood and volunteers.  The United States military has its response underway, and you can be sure the task is difficult. For the last eight years, our military's main function has been to distract the public's attention away from the excesses of a monumentally self-absorbed and hypocritical Commander-In-Chief. 
I have little doubt that our military will rise to the occasion, however, and deliver to the murderers exactly what they deserve. It won't be as one-sided a battle as the American public has gotten used to, but the outcome is a foregone conclusion.  On the domestic front, on the other hand, I am not so optimistic. Attorney General John Ashcroft, with President Bush's backing, has been lobbying Congress for a wish list of new powers that should chill the marrow of anyone who treasures liberty.  This is despite the fact that the FBI already has been granted sweeping anti-terrorist powers in 1996 in the aftermath of Oklahoma City, and more in 1998 after the embassy bombings in Africa. According to some published reports, information gathered by the FBI was either disregarded or was not disseminated to local law enforcement or airline security personnel.  Most disturbingly, Ashcroft has continually referred to the War on Drugs as his model. You remember the war on drugs, don't you? That's the war that has locked up tens of thousands of Americans for the sin of possessing chemical substances that the government disapproves of, even if they have never harmed another soul.  It's the war that has confiscated millions and millions of dollars worth of private property without a benefit of a trial, conviction and sometimes without even a single charge being levied against the property's former owner.  The war on drugs has created paramilitary police units in black uniforms, often masked to hide their identity. These units are employed on raids into neighborhoods across the country, often brandishing warrants based solely on evidence provided by paid informants.  Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, innocent people are killed in these raids. The police then issue a statement of regret, noting that mistakes happen in war, and it will all be worth it if just one less teenager fires up a joint at the next rock concert.  It's the war on drugs that has made ruthless street gangs fabulously wealthy and emboldened them to gun down the competition.  It's the war on drugs that has turned bank tellers, post office clerks, Amtrak employees, schoolchildren and teachers into a network of snitches, compelled by law or peer pressure to spy upon those around them and report unapproved behavior.  It's the war on drugs that shot down a plane carrying innocent missionaries in South America and prompted a response from the authorities that amounted to a shrug of the shoulders and a muttered, "Oops."  Because of the war on drugs, terminally ill patients are denied effective pain relief, and cancer victims can't use the proven benefits of marijuana to alleviate the side effects of chemotherapy.  The war on drugs has steadily increased the alienation of the police from more and more of the communities they serve. It has consumed tax money at a voracious rate and has diverted law enforcement resources at an alarming pace.  What the drug war has not done, however, is stop a single American from snorting, inhaling, smoking, injecting or swallowing whatever substance he or she desires. And no amount of increase in laws, incarcerations, money or manpower will change that fact.  So, Mr. Ashcroft and Mr. Bush, I've got a better idea. Before you ask for sweeping new police powers to combat terrorism, why not end the war on drugs?  Some $18.1 billion in federal money alone would become immediately available for use in the real war, the one against terrorists. Since this money has already been plundered from the citizens of the United States, no tax increase would be necessary.  Best of all, tens of thousands of law enforcement personnel on the federal, state and local levels could then be reassigned from the pointless and destructive drug war. Instead, they could start looking for terrorists and investigating actual crimes.  Yes, I know this would mean that no one would be monitoring dangerous activity, like the sale of grow lights and roach clips. On the other hand, while thousands of cops were busy in entirely futile attempts to keep John Q. Public from smoking a doobie, terrorists murdered thousands of innocent civilians on American soil.  Just what will it take to change law-enforcement priorities in this country? Complete Title: The Other War: While Law Enforcement Focused on Drugs, Americans Became Terrorists' Victims Source: Times Record News (TX)Author: Scott Davison, ColumnistPublished: Saturday, October 6, 2001Copyright: 2001 The E.W. Scripps Co.Contact: wilsonc wtr.comWebsite: Articles & Web Site:Medical Marijuana Information Links a Real War Faces the Nation War Redux - Reason Magazine 

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Comment #41 posted by kaptinemo on October 09, 2001 at 04:40:42 PT:
Well, for all this crap going on, I'm
still optimistic.It's my concerted opinion that things that were set into motion a long time ago may be coming to fruition. But few things in life go according to plan. And the Global Plantation that these people have in mind for the rest of the planet is starting to blow up in their faces; why do you think the terrs attacked the commercial heart of the globalist, capitalist network...first? That was no oversight or accident; the terrs understand the economic forces at work - and know who's behind them - and they struck with precision. The fact is that, despite loud assurences from Wall Street, the economy has suffered damage in it's vital areas. And those who run that economy are scared, because they know that a few more precisely targeted hits will bring the whole carefully constructed house of cards down around their heads, ruining plans made generations before. Which is why they have been so swift and hot to react with cries for the total destruction of the very monster they created. Those forces which have been steadily encroaching on the last little bits of freedom on this sorry little mudball will overreach themselves. And the carefully constructed camouflage which has been shielding them from full-on public scrutiny will no longer hold. Mind you, I'm not adhering to anybody's eschatology, here; none of this hellfire-and-brimstone crap. Just the understanding that a great many thinking people - such as the denizens of this Website - are out there. They aren't swallowing the popular media pap that passes for 'news'. And minority though we are, we may yet see our ranks swell. Because the sheeple will find soon themselves in the midst of some very painful 'cognitive dissonance'.A government that loudly brays that it is 'protecting' their it so effectively protected the lives of those lost in the Towers and at the Pentagon(!) busily trying to steal away with them under the aegis of a 'national emergency'. A government that spent hundreds of billions of dollars creating an intelligence network capable of spying on you with the flip of a switch - ostensibly to save you from big bad drug cartels - will now use that very mechanism to 'monitor' legitimate dissent.You can only be abused by someone who stridently proclaims they love you for so long...and then begin entertaining the idea that maybe your 'protector' is actually your worst enemy. Some of the sheeple out there are just now waking up to that idea. For all Ashcroft's public assurences that our rights will be protected, some of us have the good sense to remember what happens when you give government any power over your lives. We've already seen what happens when its' 'for your own good' philosophy leads to the murder of 11 year old children - to 'save' them from drugs. Now that drug users will be lumped in with terrs, we can expect the body count to rise precipitously.I know; after reading the above, you are probably wondering why I said I was optimistic. I should have made that statement with the caveat of 'in the long term'. Because in the short term, things will get worse. Because that is the only way many of the sheeple will will finally awaken and realize what's been done to them for nearly a century. They'll have no choice but to rise up and reclaim control of their lives...before some black-clad, helmet wearing, masked, badged and jackbooted thug takes takes them.Bad times ahead, friends. Make what physical perparations you can. I've posted some links of sites that can help. One of the best is: can help you construct a sensible emergency plan. I strongly suggest that you check it out...because the game is far from over.
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Comment #40 posted by lookinside on October 09, 2001 at 04:34:14 PT:
we have some great minds..
posting here...we are expecting the worst..i'm an optimist by nature but a pessimist otherwise...always hopeful but rarely surprised...a question...what scenario would STOP this mess before WW3 becomes a reality?
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Comment #39 posted by New Mexican on October 08, 2001 at 22:36:37 PT
Things have changed!
S.O., I have been feeling exactly the same way. And I consider myself hopelessly faithful. Thanks kap, you expand my vision daily and I'm sure you do the same for others. dddd: without you, I would laugh alot less so thank you for being there! The same goes for all of the readers here. You are great and help each of us maintain. FOM: how do you do it? I think we're all amazed by you and tell your husband we think he's wonderful as well, (must be, he made a great decision). I see something better, a world of our collective imagination coming into reality. Our worst fears have come true, so why can't our dreams? Imagine your idea of utopia, heaven or paradise, whichever, and hold onto it until it becomes true. It's one way or another. We choose.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on October 08, 2001 at 20:27:18 PT
Anthrax Alarm
Excerpt from article.
Alarmed workers say they are urgently trying to recall receiving suspicious or unusual letters and packages. Several are focusing on a letter that arrived at the company about a week before the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.
 It was described by sources as a “weird love letter to Jennifer Lopez”—similar, outwardly, to the types of mail the tabloids often get. But inside the oddly-worded letter was what was described as a “soapy, powdery substance” and in the pile of that a cheap Star of David charm. The letter, per routine, was taken in by the joint mailroom of the company. Employees said the letter was handled both by Stevens and by Blanco. 
Anthrax Alarm
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Comment #37 posted by Silent_Observer on October 08, 2001 at 14:03:58 PT
kapt, I agree
with you. Of course, I used the mythological reference in a slightly different context. Even that context seems to hold true now. I am, however, beginning to feel a sense of hopelessness. This war will have no good outcome - regardless of who gets obliterated. On the other hand, doing nothing will have no good outcome either. This is truly a no-win situation. To be perfectly candid, I don't know if there is even a lesson to be drawn from all this that will fall on human ears. I'm afraid there will be no human ears left.I am especially confused because I typically tend to see a way out of any situation, and typically tend to operate in an optimistic mindset. I can recall exhorting people on this board to dress conservatively, so we can change the laws more effectively. I can recall encouraging people to vote their conscience. I even thought we could send a message to Washington with our votes. I remember worrying, just a little, that our votes may one day be taken away from us; and realizing how crucial it is for us to vote not only in the Presidential elections, but in the 2002 races as well.Today, I am lost in a sea of hopelessness. I can't help thinking that none of that matters. We're done for. First the Taliban - who we're all against. Then, perhaps Iraq - who the majority of us are against. Then...the Palestinians? The IRA? Who will they go after next?You guessed it...and they will have all our phone records and emails and every site we ever visited in the last 50 years.Hopefully we'll get lucky and this will really turn out to be WW3, and we'll all become extinct.Maybe some intelligence will survive for the next amoeba to use several billion years from now. 
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on October 08, 2001 at 13:10:30 PT
Thanks kaptinemo
I just want to say thank you. I count on your wisdom. It's really appreciated. 
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Comment #35 posted by kaptinemo on October 08, 2001 at 12:58:40 PT:
Well, it IS partly about myths
The myths we tell ourselves...and try to tell the world...and which the rest of the world isn't buying anymore.One of the things I used to do when younger was listen to shortwave radio. There were and still are plenty of English language broadcasts from other nations around the world, chock full of news events which you never hear about in the US media. And when you listen, you begin to understand why. Granted, many of these broadcasts are themselves the product of state-run media outlets...but at least some of them are quite open and honest about their motivations. But many of them have no particular axe to grind - and listening to them is a revelation of sorts. And one of those revelations is the belief on the part of many of the people's of this planet that the American military/industrial complex is up to no good in their backyards. Which in turn causes the folks back home to scratch their heads in wonder at the government's strident denunciations of viewpoints that the folks back home never hear in 'our' news media. Needless to say, the modern day analogue of shortwave is the 'Net; where else would you have heard about the fact that enough oil for 500 years at present consumption rates exists in Kazakhstan, just north of Afghanistan? Where else would you have heard what the real reason behind the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was couched in the rationale of taking over the territory so that a pipeline could be sent across its' frontiers? And that Western oil companies, just as they have in Colombia, have been politicking hard for a 'military solution'...which would end up in the West garrisoning Afghanistan to guard the oil supply...just as Saudi Arabia has been garrisoned...which pissed off bin Laden to start with?It is not 'unpatriotic' to bring up these unpleasant facts...unless you seek to gain very handsomely by the above-mentioned process. Then you will move Heaven and Earth to make such criticism be deemed as 'unpatriotic'. As we are seeing now in the short shrift dissident voices receive in the Nightly 'News' on the tube.Just as we saw in the Gulf war.History repeating itself...and we still haven't learned anything.
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Comment #34 posted by Silent_Observer on October 08, 2001 at 12:27:15 PT
"This is a society which needs to make man fit in a complicated and hierarchically organised system of production with a minimum of friction. It
creates the organisation man, a man without conscience or conviction, but one who is proud of being a cog, even if it is only a small one, in a big and
imposing organisation. He is not to ask questions, not to think critically, not to have any passionate interests, for this would impede the smooth
functioning of the organisation. "I can't help byt be reminded of the late Joseph Campbell, as he explained to the wonderstruck Bill Moyers the mythological significance of Luke Skywalker unmasking Darth Vader - the undeveloped head.We humans have never really learned how to be free, have we?
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Comment #33 posted by kaptinemo on October 08, 2001 at 12:04:06 PT:
For 4D, and those politically minded
For all those who have viewed the massive 'programming' of th American people to justfy what may turn into WW3 with alarming speed, I direct the curious to the following Web site:A Chest of Tools for Intellectual Self-Defence even a few people gain sufficient information and motivation to organize and protest, the illusion of popular impotence begins to be eroded. The economic costs of controlling protests are high, whilst the very act of confrontation threatens to dissolve the illusions of freedom and democracy on which the system depends. Protests of this type can lead to the identification of a 'crisis of democracy', as occurred during the 1970s when anti-war and civil rights protesters threatened to become involved in the political arena. Now, as then, politicians insist that peaceful protest is a threat to democracy. This is certainly true if by democracy we mean government by the few, for the few. Genuine freedom and democracy, however, have only ever been won by this type of collective action and protest. This is why it has always been important for those who govern us to keep us as isolated as possible, to ensure that we are imbued with a sense of impotence before our 'superiors' and 'betters' (the British class system functions as a non-stop illusion factory in this respect, spinning all manner of fictions regarding the innate superiority of the wealthiest sections of the population). The widespread sense of apathy, hopelessness and even despair among many (particularly young) people today is not at all a reflection of the realities of what is possible, but rather of the sophistication of the system of thought control by which those possibilities have been obscured....And:"'.. .we have 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction... We should cease to talk about vague and-for the Far East-unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratisation.' George Kennan, Head of US State Department Planning Staff, 1948And we wonder why people hate the US, when this was the blueprint of official US policy, followed from the moment of its' inception
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on October 08, 2001 at 08:31:09 PT
Two More Articles
I wish they would cover this story on the news in a little more detail. I have family, like many people do, down in Florida.
Second case of anthrax confirmed in Boca Raton
Traces of anthrax found in supermarket tabloid headquarters
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on October 08, 2001 at 07:35:13 PT
Another Article
2nd Anthrax Case Found in Florida
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on October 08, 2001 at 07:00:27 PT
Second Case of Anthrax
Tests Show Presence of Anthrax in Second Florida Man
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Comment #29 posted by kaptinemo on October 08, 2001 at 04:27:02 PT:
For those concerned with the possibility that things for the civil populace here in the States could get worse, here's a site with useful information: to prepare for an emergency! Preparedness Checklist I HIGHLY recommend eveyone with the capability to listen to the RealAudio programs at the following link: the programs are somewhat dated (they spend a lot of time on the Y2K Bug) the factual information and suggestions are as useful as ever. Check it out....
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Comment #28 posted by dddd on October 07, 2001 at 23:39:41 PT
I think the Doc Zombie plan is highly recommended
..I live deep within the belly of the beast,south of LA.......I am already prepared to survive.I live as an adaptable gypsy because that's just the way I am..................................................
.......A huge quake would make even the most terrifying terror attack look wimpy....The most disturbing part of such a catastrophic scenario for me,,would be the fact that I would not be able to avoid helping the suffering multitudes,in an attempt to self-preserve,,,,,,and the worst part of the nightmare,would be trying to make the cold decision to ignore the cries for help from those who were unprepared,,I couldnt do it. I'd give my last sip of potable water to Dick Cheney,or the shrub,if I ran across them,and they needed it bad enough,,but if they were just a little thirsty,and a Mexican ghetto baby next door was severly dehydrated,,,Dick and the shrub would be out of luck,,and so would I....Let's just hope it never comes to this..dddd 
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 18:30:04 PT
I agree that we need supplies stocked. We just finished getting our firewood and it is 6 feet high by 8 by 10 feet and split and stacked like cigarettes. We have plenty of canned food and candles and kerosene lamps. We don't have a generator and we would need power to get water from our deep wells. We have 2 of them. I don't feel where we live is important enough for any terrorist activities. We live in no mans land and I love it. There is nothing wrong with preparing for something and if it doesn't happen it really doesn't matter but if it does and you aren't prepared that's big trouble. I'd rather be safe then sorry.
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Comment #26 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on October 07, 2001 at 17:43:33 PT
The Zombie Plan
War is declared and battle's come down.We are on the proverbial slippery slope here and it's going to be pretty steep.I would urge everybody to think "preparedness": water storage, batteries flashlights (good ones..) get a small backpacking stove that uses mutliple fuels and a couple back packs - preferably older ones that you can fill and leave in the vehicle you may own..and keep one at home.I am an avid backpaker and camper and I often think about refugees when I see people displaced. Most people are unprepard for spending more than a few hours outdoors, at least here in america. but a few days that verge into "indefinate" has to be unbelieveably demoralizing. I am preparing to be thwarted on any rute I may be on in the day, especially now that we have begun bombing. There will be more incidents here and in europe.The Plan:
stock 2 back packs. 1 in the truck and a big one at home.roll joints. Emergency Weed!! A new phase of cannabis application!! Industrial, Medical, Recreational..and now Emergency!!Smoke to joints in time of peace
and 2 in time of warI smoke 2 joints before I 
smoke 2 joints
and then I smoke 2 more.Let Love Rule.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 13:12:39 PT
Another Article
I really don't feel very good about the bombings but it is because it will make everyone's life more complicated. I don't think it will do anything but make hate rise and make everyone more afraid. I just don't know. War makes more war. That I know.
Thunderous Explosions Rock Afghanistan
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Comment #24 posted by Cannabis Dave on October 07, 2001 at 12:46:59 PT
Of course they knew it was going to happen...
09/11/01 was a foregone conclusion, considering all the evidense they (the government) had before it happened. Just as history has shown they knew about Pearl Harbor before it happened, so it will show they knew about the 09/11/01 terrorist attack. Why did they let it happen? All you have to do is look at how much it is helping Bush and his illegitimate regime to see the answer. People are so quick to assume our government is a noble and righteous. I recently learned the Japanese were willing to negotiate a surrender BEFORE we nuked them TWICE, and that solidified my distrust of the government here. I am NOT proud to be an American, and I would love to leave it. Australia is looking better all the time! 
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Comment #23 posted by New Mexican on October 07, 2001 at 10:38:10 PT
Here's the statement that I think fits...
From Prof. Sunera Thobani's speech:
'Love thy neighbour. Love thy neighbour, we need to heed those words. Especially as all of us are being hoarded into the possibility of a massive war at the...of the United States. We need to hear those words even more clearly today. Today in the world the United States is the most dangerous and most powerful global force unleashing prolific levels of violence all over the world.'
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Comment #22 posted by New Mexican on October 07, 2001 at 10:31:24 PT
The American people are in denial!
I find people are traumatized and immobilized by all of the propaganda and seem to be unconcerned as noone expects any thing to happen to us, even in light of recent events. lookinside has it right, this is a time equivalent to the period before the Holocaust began with complete control of the media acheived and now people are afraid to think for themselves or speak out. Not everyone, just mainstream America. Next step, suspension of all civil liberties and limits on internet communications and a ban on flyers, posters and dissenting opinions. Our government is out of control and I think everyone should read about a 
Canadian activist who condemned the U.S. in no uncertain terms for being the nation that exports terrorism throughout the world unchecked, and uncontested. She received standing ovations several times, but the Canadian Press focused on the reaction to her comments by their politicians, who can't fathom the truth. Heres the article:
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 10:02:13 PT
MSNBC Article
First Wave of U.S. Strike Begins
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 09:57:09 PT
CNN News Article
U.S. Launches Attack on Afghanistan
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 09:48:55 PT
It's Started
Here we go!
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Comment #18 posted by lookinside on October 07, 2001 at 09:41:27 PT:
the AP...
is starting to report on action in kabul...(CNN)
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Comment #17 posted by lookinside on October 07, 2001 at 09:39:20 PT:
i'm finding when i speak out about what is going on is APATHY...some people whose abilities i respect refuse to think about what is going on in the larger world...they are wrapped up in their personal lives...that's fine when times are good...the world is peaceful, and our government is following the constitution...i think my great great grandfather experienced that for a short time in the 1880's...our situation now reminds me of germany as hitler was gathering power...these folks won't put up a fuss til the gestapo comes for THEM...
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 09:22:29 PT
Hi lookinside and everyone,
My computer is in the living room and the tv is always on. We look at the computer but listen to the news. We watch CNN and MSNBC. I haven't seen any articles about the Doctor's case except in the Sacramento Bee and I didn't even post the link because it is irritating me that, that newspaper is more concerned about Copyright rights then learning the truth. I want to know what is going on in the world. Not what people want me to hear but what is ACTUALLY happening. I am tired of being spoon fed news. We watched in horror as the World Trade Center was destroyed. Over 5,000 missing people. All those people have been blown into tiny pieces. Visualize that! They were in all the debris. People inhaling all of that and the air is safe? Come on now! Let's get real! People will get sick and that's a reality and we're supposed to get back to normal and get on a plane and fly! fly! fly! Forget it. Thank God I have been on line long enough to recognize what is really going on. I better shut up now or I will get really ranty worse then normal. I'm calm now! Fooey!
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Comment #15 posted by lookinside on October 07, 2001 at 08:44:28 PT:
i think that the news slowdown concerning articles we consider relevent may actually be a news blackout...has the dr. mollie fry raid received any coverage on the east coast? this is an extremely important situation because of it's possible impact on doctor/patient or lawyer/client about reporter/informant anonymity?the papers should be screaming about this in 6 inch high headlines...doc zombie: my wife watches the fox channel all day long...the T.V. sits behind my back as i sit at my computer...i'm angry alot of the time..think there is a correlation? she says it's better to know thine enemy...she's right, but i'm still tired of listening to "the(shrub's) party line"...
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on October 07, 2001 at 07:23:36 PT
Just a Note
Hi Everyone, So far I haven't found any news but I'll keep looking. Hopefully soon we will get more news but for now because of war we will probably continue to be slow. I'm getting very tired of how this is effecting everything not just our concerns. I bet everyone else is tired of it too. I guess we better get use to it because it has only just begun. 
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Comment #13 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on October 07, 2001 at 06:55:48 PT
HAs anybody noted the extrordinary right-wing values of the FOX news website? I almost NEVER watch the television - its a wholly-compromised tool used only to make you stop thinking your own thoughts and buy stuff you don't need. I much prefer the Net...Anyway..heres a link to FAIR..they have a great article about the Fascists at FOX... Its a wonder Rush Limbaugh is not on their Board of Directors...
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Comment #12 posted by Jose Melendez on October 07, 2001 at 05:16:57 PT:
There is no faxism...
There is no faxism, only email...:)From: Self-explanatory malady closely related to Mailitis and Copyitis. 
Pot is for peace...
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Comment #11 posted by freedom fighter on October 07, 2001 at 01:30:54 PT
Of all the ironicity, the article being published in Texas.Only the few knew Faxism is here. Some will deny. Some will be silent. Most will cheer."reflexivity" at work. Hope all gone and Hope appears somewhere else. And when faxism dies, few will know. Some will deny. Some will be so quiet. Most will cheer away."reflexivity" at work.ff
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Comment #10 posted by dddd on October 06, 2001 at 23:49:07 PT
"anit" = aint.......dddDOH!....
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Comment #9 posted by dddd on October 06, 2001 at 22:50:09 PT
"tome" = time........ddddOH!
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Comment #8 posted by dddd on October 06, 2001 at 22:47:48 PT
The Creeps
Doc Zombie.....I know exactly what you mean.The same JFK phrase is played on FOX(?),network as some sort of twisted "patriotic" public service commercial blip,,,and I find it to be grotesque,and frighteningly obscene.It is totally irrelevant to todays situation,and it is an excellent example of the perversion of patriotism that the federal media has used to saturated the flock with....That's why all this flag waving frenzy sickens me.....If all these people,who are displaying this new found "patriotism",were sincere,and concerned Americans before the shit hit the fan on 9/11,,perhaps we might have avoided the shrub coup in the first place,and perhaps even still had the twin towers intact..........In a certain way,the commercialization of the flag,and the misguided patriotism that has been induced by the dubya dubya III machine,is disgustingly approprite,when one considers the corporate nature of the regime that now occupies the the halls of what was once,the government of the people....That was a long tome ago though,,,our democracy has been decaying since the day it was conceived,and although it may have been basically well intentioned,with alot of honorable politicians,,,the tragic reality is that todays American government has dimented into an evil empire behomoth,,,that anit gonna be fixed anytime soon....dddd
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Comment #7 posted by xxdr_zombiexx on October 06, 2001 at 14:34:36 PT
John F. Kennedy Inaugural Speech.
I bought some cheeseburgers at the Dairy Queen today. It's run by a group of Indians (people from India...not native americans...) They had a flag hung in the store with the following phrase on it:"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. 
John F. Kennedy"I looked up the phrase to find it to be from JFK's Inagural speech. I have included the link because it's very imapctful and almost creepy to read it if you keep the Attacks and the current climate in Washinton (Federal Power grab + Stepped-up War on cannabis).As the war on druuugs is a veil for a war against cannabis and cannabis culture, and, in turn, the war on cannabis is a trojan horse for the dismantaling of the Constitution, This speech should be read those who stand up on tv telling us not to worry about thier intentions.They are rapidly becoming more our Enemy than bin Laden.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on October 06, 2001 at 11:29:26 PT
New Mexican 
Hi New Mexican and everyone,
I know the times ahead will be bad. The other day I told my husband what happened in the news for the day on tv and I told him a plane crashed and an Anthrax case. I thought it wasn't even a month ago that the news was talking about Chandra Levy. Now Condit has a high level job. Things have changed and will keep changing. Life is different now and we might return to some normalcy or we might not for a long time but we can still talk about how we feel for the time being and I treasure that right.PS: I could post more articles but it's Saturday and the news is slow so I'll just leave the page for the time being with what is already up but if I find a really good article I will post it right away.
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Comment #5 posted by New Mexican on October 06, 2001 at 10:51:28 PT
Hello everyone!
Great Article! Lets e-mail the author! The future
IS bright, but only for those who survive the next six months. If we lose sight of our goals, such as ending the drug war, exposing the U.S. complicity in these terrorist' acts, and atoning for the crimes we've gotten away with in the name of the CIA and National Security interests', then we lose. If we perservere, by July of next year, the stars deem this tide will turn in favor of love, justice and truth. Don't lose hope as that is the goal of any of these agencies who rely on your tax dollars to operate undeterred. Continue to speak out and start a teach-in locally. The information Americans lack to make good decisions is out there and we need to get it to them. This forum is excellent for that purpose. but person to person education will do the most good. Keep up the good work here FOM, you are the best and we stand behind you and all the hard work you do to keep our hope alive and our minds informed. Keep the faith, as 2012, the beginning of the next Mayan calendar, promises to bring about the reality we now feel is impossible. These are the end times, according to the Bible, Native American prophecy, Astrological predictions and and should be obvious to any living human being. I personally welcome the end of the current paradym, in favor of a completely new and humanitarian reality. Timing is everything and the Universe has a better plan than we can imagine. Hope and Faith will be our greatest weapon. Humanity will prevail and the new world order will collapse from it's own dead weight of selfishness, greed and shortsightedness. The way we feel now is quite like the average Native American has been made to feel for the last 500 years. I have total empathy for the idigenous peoples of the world who have never seen any benefits from the current structure of the world financial order. Now Americans will have compassion for those they so easily overlook. For more information, read Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 by John Major Jenkins with an introduction by Terence McKenna. As we become beings of light, the struggle with the material world will dissapear. Also the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has a proposal for world peace that I find to be effective and proven: ttp://
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Comment #4 posted by Lehder on October 06, 2001 at 09:47:08 PT
Jobs and Oil in Canada
World oil consumption is 76 million barrels per day. ( One barrel = 40 gallons.) U.S. consumption is 20 mbpd of which 6 mbpd are domestically produced. 1 mbpd flow down the Alaska pipeline. The pipeline is currently spewing oil through a bullet hole made by a drunk, 300,000 gallons so far.According to Chalmers Johnson's Blowout the U.S. spends $10 billion per year on Arabian oil, $50 billion per year on weapons and military to protect the petroleum operations there.The Athabasca region of northeastern Alberta has reserves of 300 billion barrels, more than Saudi Arabia. This is very interesting oil. It is of the highest quality, better even than what is known as "Texas Sweet Crude" which, if you look in the paper, you will see commands a higher price than, for example, North Sea crude. The Athabasca oil is not drawn from wells; rather, it is mined from surface deposits buried at most by about 200 feet of rock and soil. It is expensive to clean the oil of rock and dirt. The region has barely been tapped and several years of work would be needed to bring production sufficient for a steady pipeline flow to the U.S.Suncor Energy ( SU, NYSE ) is a U.S. publicly traded Canadian integrated gas and oil company which operates in the Athabasca area. I do not own shares in this, but I may soon after further study; if I were to lose 8% I would sell, no matter what. ( I am not rich, I only scrape by. If I were wealthy I would live in Switzerland. Weapons stocks have done much better recently, even before the attacks, than oil or most any others.) The company is profitable but carries a high debt load. Do your own due diligence. The oil industry is politically driven. Other Canadian oil companies are Husky Energy, Shell Canada, Imperial Oil, Petro Canada.If you are thinking of moving to Canada, it is easiest to qualify as a landed immigrant if you have the promise of Canadian employment in hand. Oil companies in Alberta are presently short handed and seek pipefitters, crane operators and welders. The Athabasca region is very unpleasant. It is an impenetrable swamp that swarms with mosquitoes in summer temperatures of 80 degrees. The oil is most easily mined from the swamps in winter when temperatures drop to as low as 50 below.ref: Inv. Bus. Daily Oct 4, various Internet sitesHere is an interesting presentation made to professors at MIT by George Soros: describes his theory of "reflexivity" which, according to Lee Smolin, is a primitive stab at "topos logic", the type of logic which should properly be used in studying systems in which the enquirer has incomplete knowledge and which cannot be isolated from the observer but are affected by the act of inquiry. Such fields are outside most of the traditional hard sciences and include economics, social sciences, political science and quantum cosmology.Feliz dia de fiesta,'Carlos'
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on October 06, 2001 at 09:33:00 PT
Please don't give up hope. If we give up hope then we have already lost and losing when we know that we are right isn't a good feeling. I lose hope too but then I realize that the world is different now since September 11th and only time will get us back on track. No matter what a person put their hopes in before the 11th more then likely it has caused disruption to them too. Hang in there and I do understand all too well how you feel.
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Comment #2 posted by Silent_Observer on October 06, 2001 at 09:23:03 PT
I think...
I've given up hope..
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Comment #1 posted by lookinside on October 06, 2001 at 08:51:05 PT:
article should be front and center on every newspaper in the western hemisphere...personally, i think bush too is gonna wimp out and just make a mess of things...he may very well be the most inept president we've ever had...he keeps bad company too...
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