cannabisnews.com: FBI Steps in to Help Relieve Officers in Michigan FBI Steps in to Help Relieve Officers in Michigan Posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 12:01:14 PT By James Prichard, Associated Press Source: Associated Press A standoff with the owner of a Michigan campground known for its advocacy of marijuana entered its fourth day, with police enlisting the help of a third-party negotiator and with the FBI stepping in to relieve officers.The campground's supporters gathered near the site Sunday as police worked to end a standoff that has involved shots being fired at a news helicopter and police plane. "The word is out about what's going on," said Shirley DeWeese, whose brother, Grover T. Crosslin, owns the southwest Michigan campground called Rainbow Farm. "If they do kill him, it's not going to be the end." Neighbors said Crosslin, 47, who faces drug and weapons charges, was burning buildings on Friday on his property, which is the target of civil forfeiture proceedings. Deputies went to the farm after hearing about the fires.Police did not know who fired the shots that whizzed by an unmarked state police plane Saturday and struck the tail of an Indiana television station news helicopter Friday. Both landed safely.The FBI said Sunday night that federal agents would relieve officers from the Michigan State Police and Cass County Sheriff's Office, who have been at the site. Cass County Sheriff Joseph Underwood Jr. said Crosslin has made no demands."It is the goal of all three agencies to resolve this matter peacefully," said John Bell Jr., special agent in charge of the FBI's Detroit office.Officers did not identify the third party assisting in the negotiations.Sheriff's Lt. Lyndon Parrish believed Crosslin was upset over a $150,000 bond revocation hearing he skipped Friday. The hearing was set because authorities believed he was violating terms of his release on charges of felony firearm possession and drug charges.Dori Leo, who identified herself to the South Bend Tribune as Crosslin's attorney, said her client was upset because a child he helped raise was placed in foster care following the charges.Crosslin and five others were arrested in May after a two-year investigation into allegations of marijuana use at the campground, just before it was to host a weekend event promoting marijuana legalization.A statement on Rainbow Farm's Web site says it "supports the medical, spiritual and responsible recreational uses of marijuana for a more sane and compassionate America."About a mile away from the campground, about a half-dozen people displayed placards in support of Crosslin and Rainbow Farm."We were hoping for a peaceful resolution and they're bringing in choppers and artillery," said DeWeese. Complete Title: FBI Steps in to Help Relieve Officers in Michigan Standoff Source: Associated PressAuthor: James Prichard, , Associated PressPublished: September 3, 2001Copyright: 2001 Associated PressRelated Articles & Web Site:Rainbow Farm Campgroundhttp://www.rainbowfarmcamp.com/Silence Frustrates Police http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10801.shtmlPolice Open Negotiations in Campground Standoffhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10793.shtmlVandalia Campground Owner Continues Standoff http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10790.shtml Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help Comment #76 posted by Sarah Dolezal on September 06, 2001 at 03:42:08 PT: Rolland Rhom has been kiled by Michigan State cops Tom's Partner Rolland was gunned down the day after Tom. This was also murder in my opinion. If anyone wants to know more about it or funeral arangements please e-mail me.snm2001 webtv.netThanks Sarah [ Post Comment ] Comment #75 posted by Sarah Dolezal on September 06, 2001 at 03:27:32 PT: Remember the Farm I was freinds with Tom and Rollie. They weren't crazy. There is so much the government is hiding in this. [ Post Comment ] Comment #74 posted by Raven on September 05, 2001 at 22:52:24 PT Winston and all others concerned ok ill admit that i lost my top it just enrages me what has happened, so to answer your question: im a writer so therefore i will go against this enemy with everything ive got using my mind! not guns not violence but by writing my screenplays and movies and revealing the hidden truths that most all of us cant even see. So nobody be scared ill only go to the armory if another civil war breaks out, but then again these days the war is with politicians and words. So chances are that i wont ever have to play my hand, at the very least i hope not.Sorry if i offended any of you out there who cant distinguish the difference between thoughts and actions.The Raven [ Post Comment ] Comment #73 posted by Rock-N-Roller on September 04, 2001 at 22:42:11 PT Get up, Stand up, Stand up for your right. In order to bring more media attention to this tragedy we need to make a lot of noise. We need the likes of Gary Johnson, and Normal to attend the funerals and deliver the eulogies. We need to have thousands of people attend the services, so many people it overcomes the place, just like the police and firemen do. If this could happen the media cannot completley ignore this. If we get more media attention it can possibly help to educate the ones who need it. E-Mail Gary Johnson's office, and Normal, lets try to get them there. I will make several posts of this comment. Do not be angry or surprised if you see this again. I will post it in other places. Get up, Stand up, Stand up for your right. [ Post Comment ] Comment #72 posted by nottelling on September 04, 2001 at 09:57:35 PT to dddd You have been givin a gift, use it. I too am an old rock-n-roller. I've seen this big brother stuff for way to long now. I remember when they tried to ban rock & roll music from the US. I also remember when Ed Sullivan defied the status quo and televised Elvis Presley. It is time to change the law, IT CAN BE DONE. In the future I will post under the name of Rock-N-Roller. Thank you for your acknowlegement. [ Post Comment ] Comment #71 posted by Patrick on September 04, 2001 at 08:25:33 PT winston Out of respect for FoM, I won't say anything negative about you. You are right however about the "strawman" tactic. Something I learned from my government and the press! Care to have a serious conversation? Before we start, I insist you take a lie detector test, provide a strand of hair and piss in a cup. Just to be sure you are not under the influence of dope. [ Post Comment ] Comment #70 posted by J.R. Bob Dobbs on September 04, 2001 at 08:02:21 PT The News. Brought to you by Prozac and Paxil I used to think, when I was younger, that the reason that 90% of the ads during the news were for medication, was because the news was full of bad news and anyone who watched it regularly could probably use something to make them feel better. Now I'm more prone to believing that the news is sponsored by the drug companies in such a major way so that they can exert their influence over certain stories in the news broadcasts themselves. "Don't put drug-law reform in too good a light or we'll lose Pfizer's sponsorship!" If this is true, it's more indirect than the ONDCPayola, and thus harder to counter. You'd think, with at least three 24hr news networks, they could find a lot of compelling stories of governmental abuse in the drug war... but in general, they don't. By the way, Richard Cowan said they were thinking about syndicating the Marijuana Headline News to radio stations around the country. I urge you to call or write your local cannabis-friendly radio stations and urge them to add the news to their format! http://www.pot-tv.net/ [ Post Comment ] Comment #69 posted by Will on September 04, 2001 at 01:30:12 PT: Send me a copy Lou Vee, Will here... I don't have your email address, otherwise I'd contact you directly. Please contact me by email at webmaster mi4norml.org about your CD-ROM, and I'll gladly put a memorial page up on www.mi4norml.org NORML of Michigan [ Post Comment ] Comment #68 posted by dddd on September 04, 2001 at 00:42:25 PT Epilogue.....Epitome Take it easy FoM,,,dont let this frenzy of comments get you down,tomorrow things will calm down,and all of this wild bickering,andheated exchanges will be reduced to embers in the morning.....and these intense events are good in a way.Winston is going to do some more studying,and that's a good thing,,,,and I'll try not tomake any more waves.nottelling,,,I really appreciate your compliment.I never thought ofthis as "what I do",,but I guess that's what it is,,and you inspire meto do more of it.I'm just an old Hippie who lives in a shack-like studiowith my little white dog. The events of this Labor Day weekend have given me a renewed vigorin one of my pet causes,,and that is the government/corporate takeover,and domination of the press....I wrote the following earlier this eveningconcerning the coverage of the Crosslin MURDER!;....OK,,,,now I'm sure,,,,now I'm way more pissed off than before.The 10:00 news in LA had Nothing about this incident!They hadshark attacks,,memorial bits about the cop who died prior to thefriday barbeque of the guy who got raided by the ATF,,,coverageof the free rock concert in downtown LA,that was cancelled at thelast minute by authorities,and the remarkable rioting,and lootingof all the bands equipment that ensued,,(probably a publicity stunt)......then,,speaking of publicity stunts,,I almost power barfed,as picturesof freekun dubya came on,,,with him helping out some constructionfactory workers bullshit......I got so agitated,I yelled at my dog,,that'sthe equivilent of a red alert,which means that I may blow my ticker,or experience a freak out of some sort,,I had to shut down the TV,,,,,apologize to my dog,,and take him for a walk,,,,,,Anyway,,there was ZERO news about this federal murder on the newsat ten.I'll be back by 11:00.The question is;Why is this not "news"?Why is a fatal shooting bythe FBI,not an item worthy of coverage?...Is the possibility of JanetReno running for governor of Florida somehow more important andsignificant than the FBI popping off a round into a guys forehead?....Is it just me,,or does something really smell bad here?(if you were"here",it could be me,but that is stinkyness,,not smell).......The 11:00 national news had no mention of this incident either.How can this be explained?...There's no way that the press hadn'tgot a report of the incident yet......Was it somehow insignificant,and uninteresting enough to not be mentioned?Was the latest sharkbite more important than the FBI shooting someone in the forehead? Anyway,,,The absence of any reports concerning the Crosslin murdersorta made me snap.It is now way too obvious that the press is definitlybeing universally manipulated by some very huge entities,,,and the onlypossible suspects,the only entities that would be big enough to weild thislevel of influence,are _________________?May JAH Shine brightly on Everyone,,,,even Winstond......plus three more...........=4 [ Post Comment ] Comment #67 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 23:37:13 PT Thank You Winston and all! A man lost his life today and this is not necessary. Everyone is upset and we don't need to fight. Thank you all for trying to put it in check. It's a very sad time. [ Post Comment ] Comment #66 posted by kerouacko on September 03, 2001 at 23:27:29 PT I get it, Winston If this hasn't already been mentioned before, Winston Smith is the name of the main character of George Orwell's '1984'. This character goes from a non-thinking cog of the totalitarian government to a rebel and in the end, due to government scare tactics and torture, "returns" to his senses and becomes once again a tool of the government.So how is it, Winston? Are you a satirist or an open tool? [ Post Comment ] Comment #65 posted by Winston on September 03, 2001 at 22:55:46 PT FoM I really would appreciate it if this bickering would stop. Alright, I'll stop. I'm making your people reveal their true colours. Uncomfortable. I don't understand any of it. You don't?Thank you. Not a problem. Should be studying anyhow... this here's my last post. [ Post Comment ] Comment #64 posted by POPEYE on September 03, 2001 at 22:55:38 PT FoM Sorry,FoM,but this "YOUNG-REPUBLICAN"with an attitude needs to either pipe-down,or go away.I won,t post any more on this subject,until we can enter into a reasonable discussion.Thank you for your patience. [ Post Comment ] Comment #63 posted by Cannabis Crusader on September 03, 2001 at 22:55:19 PT wish list I wish Cannabis News would put up a real-time chat area. These posts are great, but I personally like conversation over correspondence. With as many people that post, I think it would be a big hit. [ Post Comment ] Comment #62 posted by nottelling on September 03, 2001 at 22:51:59 PT Another Patriot Another patriot, like the Minute Men, like the people involved with the Boston Tea Party, like Paul Revere. Yes these are just a few men that put lives on the line so we can have freedom. Freedom also for people that with the thinking of our lost souled brother, Winston. We should feel bad for people with the "Winston mindset" and try to educate them. Although this is a very tall order, I have tried it, and on occasion suceeded. It is very hard to do, and I will not give up. dddd is good at what he does, we can only hope that his words are heard well beyond this board where they need to be heard, all the way to congress. We have the numbers, they have the guns. The pen can be mightier than the sword, history shows, when applied properly. [ Post Comment ] Comment #61 posted by Winsont on September 03, 2001 at 22:51:03 PT raven If fighting these bastards costs me my life then so be it cause if we dont fight were all dead anyhow.The RAvenMartin Luther King Jr. lost his life while fighting for what was right. He didn't do it with violence (he wouldn't have been able to have the profound effect he had if he'd used violence; with violence he would have been just another shouting guy) and he didn't wave guns around to prove his manhood or toughness or how much he meant it (and cops *did* get in his face with their guns and they did cart him off to jail). What are you about? [ Post Comment ] Comment #60 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 22:44:44 PT Could this please just stop? I really would appreciate it if this bickering would stop. I don't understand any of it. Thank you. [ Post Comment ] Comment #59 posted by POPEYE on September 03, 2001 at 22:40:57 PT WINSTON Is this why you are here,just to advocate hemp so you can make a profit from it?Do you actually think that those who smoke pot are idiots?You must have done one too many"BUM-RUSHES"when you were"YOUNG"!!! ##$$%%^^&&*()*&&*&^%!!!!!!!!Perhaps your parents didn't talk to you.HMMMMMM....Now a man is dead for being pot-friendly.Eat Sh!t and die!!!!! [ Post Comment ] Comment #58 posted by winston on September 03, 2001 at 22:40:25 PT patrick You are a nazi too. "Get rid of the dopers and you could get hemp legalized in a few days. Hitler probably thought things through like you, "get rid of the Jews and extermination gas chambers would be legal in a few days."I think that's called a strawman argument. If you say, "seat belts save lives" I can distract ppl. from the point of your statement by saying, "Hitler would have insisted ppl. wear their seat belts" in the hope that the association with Hitler would invalidate anything I had to say. Instead of distracting yourself by trying to come up with these hysterical ad hominem attacks maybe you should try and engage in an actual conversation, reasonably. Yes? [ Post Comment ] Comment #57 posted by angel fang on September 03, 2001 at 22:33:37 PT U.S. Patriot murdered. (NBC,ABC, CBS Blackout?) Tom Crosslin reminds me of the American Patriot Patrick Henry who said, "Give me liberty or give me death" (You can follow a link to the statement at http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.htmlAmericans are losing the right to free speech and the right to bear arms. Prison populations are 6 times greater in the U.S. than other industrialized nations. Now DEATH AFTER DEATH for a drug war gone awry the secret police, or the S.S. of the U.S. as I call them, are zeroing in and taking their score. Pity America. It is time to organize and act. May your future meetings go well at your next permanent farm. I think I may start a campground and invite G. Gordon Liddy to run his anti-anarchist group as an adjunct facility. Americans are losing the right to free speech and the right to bear arms. Prison populations are 6 times greater in the U.S. than other industrialized nations. The government has ways of pushing people until they go over the line. I pity the poor man who was killed and honor him.Contrary to popular belief, you are guilty until proven innocent if you are a common man in America. Vote Libertarian or Social Democrat. Corporations are whores, governments are their whips, and U.S. unions are the handles to the whips. Welcome to AmeriKa 2001.I think I may start a campground and invite G. Gordon Liddy to run his anti-anarchist group as an adjunct facility. Also note that I have heard nothing of the atrocity in my city. News blackouts of this sort of thing are common. [ Post Comment ] Comment #56 posted by Winston on September 03, 2001 at 22:27:11 PT the raven Ive been remembering all the other good people who gave their lives in belief of freedom, and ya know what i refuse to stand by and let these jagoffs take another one of my countrymen. It ends now. Prepare yourself, cause this dog's about to have his day!The Raven: Signing off You should know that talk like that will get the FBI phoned up. I don't know if your just a punk sounding off. It's not funny or impressive. [ Post Comment ] Comment #55 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 22:17:30 PT winson You are a nazi too. "Get rid of the dopers and you could get hemp legalized in a few days. Hitler probably thought things through like you, "get rid of the Jews and extermination gas chambers would be legal in a few days." [ Post Comment ] Comment #54 posted by Winson on September 03, 2001 at 22:09:03 PT amos Frankly, I'm stunned. I'm stunned at what is not happening. This is the most intelligent post I've seen. It's very very poignant. A half dozen supporters supporters? Yeah! I noticed that too.The man welcomed thousands of people onto his property. Where are they? Good question. The man is in a throw down with an impossible enemy. You read the backs of a lot of videos. :) Do you suppose he was thinking about the impact on his son getting himself shot would have? It isn't just about him. It's about Michigan. It's about the entire nation. Where are all the fine patriots?A million people standing quietly and peacefully nearby and praying for his victory would surely have some positive effect on the outcome of this horrible matter. What would have been his "victory"? Even ten thousand. Ten and twenty thousand people have been known to show up for sporting events and concerts. His life is on the line. The future of this country is at stake here. Isn't it?Where are the hundred thousand Michigan voters who signed the petition to put legalization on the ballot in Michigan? It's just possible that many of them are repelled by gun toting, bong shop owning, greasy rocknroller over grown teenagers. They may have just been adults who have a point of view when it comes to the law and drugs; parents who don't think their kids should be put in a cage with Bubba the happy rapist because of a joint found under the car seat. Waitaminnit; did you think all those voters dressed up in clown make up and went around freaking out squares? The nation will notice how many supporters he has, or doesn't have. The media will notice how many supporters he does, or doesn't have. This could be IT! It's time to do something instead of just talk about it. Laugh! Ever see "Monty Pythons Live of Brian"?A half dozen supporters? That's what happens when the only thing ppl. have is getting each other stoned. That's what happens when it's about the dope, not hemp or freedom or rights or peace (especially not peace as many posts here demonstrate). If I were a Hemp activist (I have other priorities) going up against the gummint would be nothing compared to the challenge of trying to not be associated with the dopers. Get rid of the dopers and you could get hemp legalized in a few days. Those who stand to lose if hemp were legal probably send regular donations to High Times magazine (H-E double hockey sticks, they probably are the publishers). [ Post Comment ] Comment #53 posted by The Raven on September 03, 2001 at 21:58:29 PT Time to take a stand Ive been remembering all the other good people who gave their lives in belief of freedom, and ya know what i refuse to stand by and let these jagoffs take another one of my countrymen. It ends now. Prepare yourself, cause this dog's about to have his day!The Raven: Signing off [ Post Comment ] Comment #52 posted by Raven on September 03, 2001 at 21:48:01 PT Winston If fighting these bastards costs me my life then so be it cause if we dont fight were all dead anyhow.The RAven [ Post Comment ] Comment #51 posted by Buddha on September 03, 2001 at 21:47:33 PT A Frown ::sigh:: When will it all end? Unless you want to eventually live under a totalitarian government and a gestapo police force, I strongly suggest voting for the Libertarian Party on the next Presidental election. I think it's time the government learns that the people should have personal responsibility, not the government responsible for the people. Free yourself America. My condolences go out to Mr. Crosslin's family and friends, for a brave man who stood up for what he believed for. That's a true red-blooded American. [ Post Comment ] Comment #50 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 21:38:24 PT Raven Raven, Tom Crosslin obviously stood up for his rights. He stood up and it cost him his life. Don't be surprised if many of the others who support the end of this war don't have the guts to stand up. The message the government sends is smoke pot and you will get DEATH. Stand up for freedom on your land and you'll get the same thing if the winstons in this world desire your property. The sick perverts are no better than the nazi regime of hitler. [ Post Comment ] Comment #49 posted by dddd on September 03, 2001 at 21:36:52 PT Well Winnie,,or Winston ..It would appear that you have run out of relevant comments,,,,and I actually dont mind being labeled "Psycho Boy".....I'm just dissappointed that you have resorted to such a cheesyescape from what I had hoped could be a discussion....Maybe youshould take a break,,get some sleep or something...This has beena somewhat heated exchange,and it might do you good to collectyourself........this old psycho boy will be looking forward to anythingyou wanna talk about,but c'mon,,dont cheapen yourself with thisname calling shit,,,I thought you were above that.......d...squared [ Post Comment ] Comment #48 posted by the raven on September 03, 2001 at 21:31:04 PT in regards to what is going on i think that we should all stop the hippie hugging and start standing up for our rights. god put herb on the earth to be smoked he didnt put it here to be governed and policed then sold back to us bythe very same government who raped us of our freedom. ( at a price 10 times of its worth) if the feds would just simply tell the truth and legalize the stuff then wed all be happier, all of us. and as for me, personall i feel an enormous amount of pity for the poor souls who try come to my place looking for a fight. May all be blessed and have the will to stand up against tyranny and take back what is ours. If we allow ourselves to be beaten then where will we end up. Concentration camps, civil war, imprisonment for excercising free will and speaking out????? Where will it end? So hear my call, to you all, Hark this Raven nevermore.The Raven [ Post Comment ] Comment #47 posted by Winston on September 03, 2001 at 21:28:01 PT poisoned15dayssomething The FBI will not protect youif you are targeted by organized criminalgroups ( based on my experience). Yeah, that's a good point. But they are happy to put youin jail for consensual acts. Like so many, they are collecting a pay check. Why do the Federal Police needto intervene in a local situation? It's a federal offense to shoot at planes and helicopters in the air. I wish they would concentrate on protecting people. It's not up to them. It's up to the people. Some ppl. are working very hard at this. We don't hear too much about them in the news. We only hear about greasy rocknrollers when they go nuts with guns at their little compounds. [ Post Comment ] Comment #46 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 21:23:18 PT I think you're correct mr.greengenes, That's right. I think they confirmed that's what happened. With all that has been happening I could have heard wrong but I don't think so unfortunately. Unbelievable. I feel sometimes like the movie Red Dawn. A country under seize but instead of outsiders it is from within. [ Post Comment ] Comment #45 posted by Winnie on September 03, 2001 at 21:21:11 PT dddd How wonderful to see you again!It's unfortunate that you *Rest of psycho boy post snipped*This must be the reasoned discourse being called for. Interesting. [ Post Comment ] Comment #44 posted by mr.greengenes on September 03, 2001 at 21:15:03 PT L.A. Fire/ shootout They also had a story on the news that the cop that got shot in LA before they set the house on fire may have actually been shot by another cop and not the guy they burned to death. Instant Karma? [ Post Comment ] Comment #43 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 21:06:21 PT Rambler I agree and I am paying attention. If their is a freeway chase here everything on tv grinds to a halt. I have yet to hear on tv the news of this Labor day massacre. [ Post Comment ] Comment #42 posted by Rambler on September 03, 2001 at 20:55:40 PT Take Note Keep your eyes on how the media covers this tragedy my friends.I have a feeling it will be muffled as much as possible,and this will be a good indication of the nature of the relationship between the "free press",and the federal overlords.Take note of the way the story is reported in the national news.Observe the way it is spun by your local broadcast puppets.After that,try and tell me about independent broadcast journalism,and who writes the news that influences the opinions of the "free" world. [ Post Comment ] Comment #41 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 20:54:12 PT Robbie Thanks for the updated link! [ Post Comment ] Comment #40 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 20:51:08 PT dddd Please accept my apologies. I was reaching for it to not be true. I enjoy your sense of humor! [ Post Comment ] Comment #39 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 20:49:21 PT This sucks. This sucks sucks and sucks some more. I did not know this man but over the last few days I have heard words of support on this site for him. And now he his dead. Shot on his property. I am saddened so sad this happened. [ Post Comment ] Comment #38 posted by Robbie on September 03, 2001 at 20:45:39 PT http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/03/michigan.standoff http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/03/michigan.standoff/index.html [ Post Comment ] Comment #37 posted by dddd on September 03, 2001 at 20:42:06 PT no Patrick I may be guilty of sick jokes,,but I am not even close to doing something like that....dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #36 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 20:41:27 PT 24 hour news is playing canned news shows! If this state sponsored murder is true? This is a sad day in our history. [ Post Comment ] Comment #35 posted by Robbie on September 03, 2001 at 20:41:20 PT No playing The assholes killed him. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances. Maybe this Croslin had other things going on. Maybe he did shoot at an agent and thats why he was killed. But I doubt it.Ladies and gentleman, I have the first historical instance of someone dying because they smoked pot.Grover T. Croslin. [ Post Comment ] Comment #34 posted by Patrick on September 03, 2001 at 20:36:58 PT Bloodshed I prayed this morning that this would not end this way. Please tell me this report is not dddd playing around? [ Post Comment ] Comment #33 posted by Jokkidon on September 03, 2001 at 20:31:36 PT: State of PLay It is sad to hear about this incident, with the farm. But there is no good in blaming Congress or this or that or him or her. It's not them nor us. We ALL need to unite in this struggle. But remember, even having an informed, truth-based opinion is a very good start. So, from a Britlander to the StateSide...GOOD LUCK ALL YOU AMERICANS!!!! May we all one day have the courage strength and resolve to prevent and reverse the abuse of human rights. Let THAT be Global!Small but vital Fact: historically, there are no reported deaths directly caused by overdose of Canabis. Overdose is technically impossible, medically speaking. [ Post Comment ] Comment #32 posted by Lou Vee on September 03, 2001 at 20:31:13 PT Sincere condolensces to Tom's Family and Friends First, I'd like to say how very sorry I was to hear of Tom's untimely demise. I did not have the pleasure of meeting Tom until January of 2000, at the first PRA kickoff rally. In the short time I've known him, I've come to think of Tom as a very remarkable man. He had the vision, energy and resources to make Rainbow Farm a VERY special place.I have about 400 high quality digital photos, some including Tom, taken at Rainbow Farm last Season. I will gladly snail-mail a photo CDROM to anyone who will agree to post one or more of these photos on their website. I'd like to do what I can to contribute to an on-line memorial to a very fine man and a very special campground. [ Post Comment ] Comment #31 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 20:27:06 PT CNN has said NOTHING I still have CNN on and will post what they say as soon as they do. [ Post Comment ] Comment #30 posted by lookinside on September 03, 2001 at 20:24:58 PT: cops... are trained to be and by nature are confrontational...thejerks just had to push it to the wall...they couldn't back off...they pushed him over the edge andthen they murdered him...i DAMN them all to HELL... [ Post Comment ] Comment #29 posted by mr.greengenes on September 03, 2001 at 20:21:36 PT CNN Is there any footage of the protesters on CNN? The news said they approached the cops calling them murders but neither station could show footage because of a lightning storm passing over. So they say. [ Post Comment ] Comment #28 posted by dddd on September 03, 2001 at 20:17:41 PT So....Winnie... ....What do you think?......Do you think that Mr Crosslin deservedthe federal execution?...Do you feel that this kind of wild west,policestate law enforcement is fair and proper in our "democracy"?Whatterms will you use to explain all this to the kids in your new playgroundfor homeschooled children,as they play in the sandbox that sits overthe spot where the earth was stained by Mr Crosslins blood? One thing that you have said that I agree with,is that yes,,the lawsneed "adjusting",,and that's basically what our goal is,,the adjustment,or elimination of certain laws that are far more harmful than good.Lawsthat are more about political and corporate profiteering,and racketeering,than they are about the concern for children,or people.....dddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 20:14:40 PT I'm very upset I will look for news and post it as soon as I find it. I will notify Map staff by email. [ Post Comment ] Comment #26 posted by rabblerouser on September 03, 2001 at 19:36:41 PT plowshares turn your swords into plowshares [ Post Comment ] Comment #25 posted by mr.greengenes on September 03, 2001 at 19:28:33 PT Croslin shooting From what they said on the news the cops got a phone to Tom and he requested to talk to a third party. They refused and said he then became irate and cussed out the cops and cut off contact. He then went outside with a mini-14 and another person to look around the house. He spotted an FBI agent and took aim. The agent shot him and wounded the other person. One other person remains on the property as far as I know. This news should make Winston extremely happy. Sleep tight Mr. Smith. [ Post Comment ] Comment #24 posted by Mr.greengenes on September 03, 2001 at 19:22:43 PT Tom Croslin fataly shot by FBI Just saw the 9o'clock news. Croslin was shot and killed by the FBI. [ Post Comment ] Comment #23 posted by rabblerouser on September 03, 2001 at 19:20:58 PT orders I agree with ya and really can't argue. So be it.Winston is a bunch of bananas short of a bunch [ Post Comment ] Comment #22 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2001 at 19:15:57 PT FBI statis I blame the FBI, but I blame the one who seperated them from God to begin with. We have 2 competing laws. One is mans laws which says to cage and kill cannabis users, and we have Gods laws which says that cannabis like all plants are good blessings for Food. When man lives with God, God is 1st in their lives, and that requires obeying the commandments of God. When a Godly man accepts the oath of any police organization, he accepts changing God from being 1st in his life to placing God 2nd or beyond. Police, FBI, CIA, et al. have had their souls seperated from them by oath. That brings displeasure to our Father. That man will place God other than 1st, along with all that comes when man does not place God 1st.Every one needs to realize that there is one who wishes to seperate you from your soul, and God our Father. It is important that you never let anything seperate you from our Father. [ Post Comment ] Comment #21 posted by The GCW on September 03, 2001 at 19:06:34 PT Winston Smith Do you have any questions? It seems as though you have no trouble with the concept of caging humans for using cannabis. Think about that. It is difficult to comprehend for me. That concept seems like it could only manifest where there is lacking elementary compassion for the basic... What is wrong? Why do you hold on to such difficult notion? I know a pastor who told me marijuana killed his son, which explains where his disruption of reality comes from, yet cannabis or the M word equivalent is not what killed his son. Where does your seperation with reality come from? Do you feel safe enough to speak about it? If you ask you shall receive, and if not here, always think of our Father, whom promises through a clean robe that if you ask, He will answer. Take care of your eternal matters, for we don't know when it becomes too late. I bet you have many good qualities with in you and this does not coincide with your whole, wishing like us all to become better each day. It is better for you to accept me for using cannabis, for your own goodness, more than for my goodness. Let us see some of your compassionate side. [ Post Comment ] Comment #20 posted by PoisonedFor1500Days on September 03, 2001 at 19:05:31 PT Hi Rabblerouser Hi Mr. Rabblerouser, I agree that following orders is no excuse. It is also not the reason either. The reason is that Congress and the Presidentpass laws. The FBI is part of the executive branch. They enforce the laws as they are told to. The FBI is like the Army. You cannot blame the infantry man for the general'sorders. The general does what the commanderin chief tells him to do. Congress and the President are the problem. Hopefully public opinion will continue tochange so that the politicians can rationalizetaking actions that would otherwise get them unemployed. If the FBI agents all felt that drug usersshould be in jail but the laws said they should not be then the FBI would not be putting drug users in jail. They are pawns. Blame Congress. Blame the President. Even Clinton would only do what he thoughthe could without infuriating too many people.Thats why he waited until his last day in office to sign the International CriminalCourt treaty. His heart was in the right place but his balls were not. ( I do notmean that sexually). Once Clinton was out of office THEN he said pot smokers should not go to jail. He had nothing to lose. Ford who had the balls to pardon Nixon and Carter who had the balls to pardon thedraft dodgers were not reelected. That isthe choice they face - do the right thingand lose the next election. Few do the reallyrisky right thing. Especiallywith the drug issue because it gets used against them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #19 posted by rabblerouser on September 03, 2001 at 18:12:32 PT poisoned He means merely following orders is no excuse. Would you jump off a cliff is someone ordered you to do so? [ Post Comment ] Comment #18 posted by Poisoned1500DaysSoFr on September 03, 2001 at 18:02:49 PT well said dddd dddd's post was well said and surecan't think of anything to add to that.None's post I did not understandand would not mind an elaboration. [ Post Comment ] Comment #17 posted by lookinside on September 03, 2001 at 17:25:36 PT: lol...smitty... i hope you do end up with the farm if crosslin losesit..we'll know where to find you... [ Post Comment ] Comment #16 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 17:19:12 PT CNN's Greenfield at Large -- 10:30 PM ET Hi Everyone, I wanted to make sure that you didn't miss seeing the program tonight if you want to. On CNN News they flash, I believe, a book that mentions the drug war. I'm only catching a little of what it's about. I haven't seen particulars on the web site yet. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/greenfield/Airs 10:30 - 11 p.m. ET Monday - Friday / Replays 1:30 - 2 a.m. ET Monday, September 03, 2001 TONIGHT'S SHOW: William F. Buckley, Jr. and conservatism When President Bush talks about compassionate conservatism, he's using a new adjective for an idea -- or set of ideas -- that has been a driving force in Republican (and therefore Democratic, too) politics for the last four decades. The man largely responsible for bringing conservatism into the public eye -- and to the political fore -- is William F. Buckley, Jr.. On Friday, we had a one-on-one interview with Sen. Joe Lieberman. Tonight, to bookend our holiday-weekend set of one-on-one interviews, we'll be talking with Buckley about conservatism then and conservatism now. Like "liberalism," "conservatism" has meant different things at different times. It meant one thing when Buckley started "The National Review." It meant something else when he started "Firing Line." It meant different things to Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and, today, to George W. Bush. [ Post Comment ] Comment #15 posted by dddd on September 03, 2001 at 17:18:46 PT Winston How wonderful to see you again!It's unfortunate that you dontseem to be able to elaborate on,or explain yourself,but at leastyou are still attempting to get peoples goats.I think it would be nice if you have kids of your own.I would imagineyou would be a responsible father,in a psychotic sort of way,,but Iwould just be tickled pink,when someone you love got busted for somedrug thing,and was treated like you treat anyone else who got snaredby the drug warrior natzi empire....It might give you a whole new outlookto see one of your "home schooled" youngsters get brutalized by someonelike yourself,and face some sort of absurd mandatory minimum sentence,,and then,your house and everything you own gets stolen by forfeiture tothe government.....I know what you would be saying,,,"Your honor,he'sa good kid,,,he just made a mistake". Winston,,,you are the type of person that terror and cruelty thrives on.You are the kind that would have been a highly decorated officer under Hitler.You would have been a highly valued asset in the KGB...Your hate is cut fromthe same cloth that caused black people to be lynched,,,you would have beenhappy to gleefully slaughter Jewish people as a natzi,,,you would probablydrop a dime on your mom.....You are addicted to the drug known as hate,and it is an addiction that there areno known treatments for.....You should take a close look in the mirror,and askyourself what God would say about your life.I dont hate you,,I feel sorry for you,,but I do hate the way you and your typehave ruined thousands of peoples lives,,for no reason,other than an obsessiveillusion.....Sincerelydddd [ Post Comment ] Comment #14 posted by spacecadet on September 03, 2001 at 16:56:12 PT scoundrel smith Please board the next rocket leaving the solar system [ Post Comment ] Comment #13 posted by Winston Smith on September 03, 2001 at 16:45:03 PT 34 acres o' land It's a foregone conclusion that Crosslin can kiss all that land good bye (gads, just thinking about ppl. like that having so much...). Hopefully I will at least be among the first bidders. I can think of all kinds of really neat things to do with 34 acres. A camp ground for home schooled kids; they need somewhere to go through out the year. Or a nice big park; some place educational/recreational. A park for the 21st century. I shall contact Scott Teters office to see what I can do! [ Post Comment ] Comment #12 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 16:32:56 PT mr.greengenes CNN is still covering it. It was announced to come on at the top of the hour this time. I hope no one gets hurt or I will be really upset. I want them to know we know what is going on and they better not hurt anyone. I'm not threating I'm just saying how I think it is.PS: I have had CNN on all day and they keep repeating it every half an hour or so. No new film footage though but still reporting. [ Post Comment ] Comment #11 posted by mr.greengenes on September 03, 2001 at 16:27:36 PT Update I don't have cable, so I don't get CNN, so I don't know how much anybody else knows, but I just watched the local news and it looks like they're getting ready to move in.A farmer pulled up to the roadblock to try to milk his cows and the cops told him maybe in a couple of hours. Read whatever you want into that statement. They said some SWAT goons and an ambulence went down the road to the "compound" (their term, not mine) and came back out, but they couldn't tell if anyone was inside. Hope no one gets hurt. Is CNN covering this? How about the networks? I went to see Jay and silent Bob, and got back too late to see the network news. [ Post Comment ] Comment #10 posted by Paul on September 03, 2001 at 15:18:40 PT New post at RB Farms web site --------------------------------------------------------------------------------September 2, 2001 Rainbow Farm Campground is under siege. We are gathering on private property on the corner of M-60 and White Temple. Please come and show your support for Rainbow Farm.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rainbow Farm Campgrounds 1-877-443-6724 hempme2 aol.comhttp://www.rainbowfarmcampground.com 13 miles west of Three Rivers, Michigan on M-60, follow signs. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Rainbow Farm Thanks High Times" Rainbow Farm sends a big thanks out to Steve Hager and High Times Magazine for their generous contribution to the Rainbow Farm legal fund. We also would like to thank you for all of the anonymous donations and everyone that has kept us in their thoughts and prayers through these terrible times. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Thank you Toyes All of us at Rainbow Farm love and appreciate you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------**The Joint Coffeeshop**THE JOINT COFFEESHOP at Rainbow Farm is nowfeaturing entertainment on weekends.Check out this weekends schedule.Click here for DetailsBring your friends on down to hang out at the Joint.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------**MERLE HAGGARD**MERLE HAGGARD was Incredible!!!The Stevens Sisters opened the show (and boy did they)then MERLE HAGGARD and The Strangers kicked it to the next level only like legends can.Show Info.click here. [ Post Comment ] Comment #9 posted by Ben LaVigueur on September 03, 2001 at 14:25:56 PT: What good is the FBI? The FBI?! What do they this is another Waco incident? Helicopters and artillery, is that what you call a peaceful resolution? I thought this country was built on standing up for what we believe in? But good ol' Uncle Sam has to shake his finger and condemn Mr Crosslin. Taking his child away is that the best solution? I thought I paid my taxes so these people can catch the real criminals. What they are saying is that Mr. Crosslin is a criminal of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. PRAISE CROSLLIN! [ Post Comment ] Comment #8 posted by none on September 03, 2001 at 14:02:54 PT: respones to comment NO WAYGET A LIFE [ Post Comment ] Comment #7 posted by Poisoned1500DaysSoFr on September 03, 2001 at 13:51:35 PT Thank you for the kind words FoM Thank you for the Kind Words Martha.And the FBI is only followingorders so I cannotdemonize them. [ Post Comment ] Comment #6 posted by Duzt on September 03, 2001 at 12:51:25 PT Support I totally agree that more people need to be there. Everybody is a patriot in words but not actions. I've never been to the campground and I don't know this man personally but I understand his frustration. I live in California and would be willing to buy a plane ticket to Michigan and stay there for the duration of this to show support. I've been doing what I can online but feel that it isn't nearly enough. Is there anybody out there that wants to start forming groups to go there to show support? [ Post Comment ] Comment #5 posted by Amos on September 03, 2001 at 12:46:33 PT There is only one thing that can possibly be done. And it is only a possibility that it might work.Public outrage. [ Post Comment ] Comment #4 posted by Amos on September 03, 2001 at 12:41:11 PT About a half dozen supporters? I also posted this note at another article here at Cannabis News. The other article said "dozens"...so my post said "dozens". I won't post it again...much as I want to scream it from the rooftops.----------------------------------------------Frankly, I'm stunned. I'm stunned at what is not happening.A half dozen supporters supporters?The man welcomed thousands of people onto his property. Where are they? The man is in a throw down with an impossible enemy. It isn't just about him. It's about Michigan. It's about the entire nation. Where are all the fine patriots?A million people standing quietly and peacefully nearby and praying for his victory would surely have some positive effect on the outcome of this horrible matter.Even ten thousand. Ten and twenty thousand people have been known to show up for sporting events and concerts. His life is on the line. The future of this country is at stake here. Isn't it?Where are the hundred thousand Michigan voters who signed the petition to put legalization on the ballot in Michigan? The nation will notice how many supporters he has, or doesn't have. The media will notice how many supporters he does, or doesn't have. This could be IT! It's time to do something instead of just talk about it.A half dozen supporters? [ Post Comment ] Comment #3 posted by FoM on September 03, 2001 at 12:11:38 PT Poisoned1500DaysSoFr Poisoned1500DaysSoFr that is a very nice thought but the government has the right under current laws I'm sure but not positive and I don't think anything could change that right now. Forfeiture Laws fuel this war. [ Post Comment ] Comment #2 posted by Poisoned1500DaysSoFr on September 03, 2001 at 12:09:08 PT What good is the FBI? The FBI will not protect youif you are targeted by organized criminalgroups ( based on my experience).But they are happy to put youin jail for consensual acts. Why do the Federal Police needto intervene in a local situation?I wish they would concentrate on protecting people. [ Post Comment ] Comment #1 posted by Poisoned1500DaysSoFr on September 03, 2001 at 12:05:48 PT Solution to impasse With all the supporters that Mr. Crosslinhas perhaps he could avoid a forfeiturebe selling the property to the groupof supporters that he has. When this blowsover they could sell it back. If you sell a property it cannot be forfeited by the buyercan it? [ Post Comment ] Post Comment