Drug Suppliers Use Loophole To Sell 'Magic Mint'

Drug Suppliers Use Loophole To Sell 'Magic Mint'

Posted by FoM on July 15, 2001 at 13:52:18 PT
By Adam Nathan 
Source: Sunday Times

An obscure hallucinogenic herb from Mexico has become the latest fashion in the world of recreational drug-taking. Suppliers are using a loophole in the law to sell the powerful drug - known as Lady Salvia or the magic Mexican mint - to young people. Users have reported sensations of travelling through time and space, assuming the identities of other people and merging with inanimate objects. Experts say they are risking their minds, and perhaps their lives, by taking the drug. Salvia divinorum, a type of sage used for thousands of years in Mexican Indian rituals, is legal in Britain and America and is available on the internet. 
Originally found in only one square mile of the Oaxaca region of Mexico, it is either chewed or smoked and causes a short but intense high. In New York's Greenwich Village, it has triggered a mini-renaissance of 1960s psychedelic culture; there is even a rock band called Salvia. In Amsterdam, where large-scale indoor marijuana growing is now outlawed, cannabis growers have switched to salvia, flooding the European market. In Britain there are about a dozen suppliers of dried salvia leaves. Most do not advertise it as a drug but as incense, mainly through fears that they will be sued if people are damaged by their experience of taking it. Experts say the leaves of the plant are often super-impregnated with the active hallucinatory ingredient salvinorin A to make it up to 20 times stronger. This enhanced leaf sells for up to 80 a gram. The drug's increasing popularity, coupled with scientific acknowledgment of its mind-bending powers, has prompted the Home Office to review its legal status. But it could take years to ban it. Dr Tim Kendall, an expert based at the University of Sheffield, said: "When you take salvia you are playing with fire. People can be very damaged in terms of their personal functioning. They frequently have flashbacks that intrude into their life, which can be almost like a post-traumatic stress problem after very bad experiences." In 1994 Daniel Seibert, a Californian ethnobotanist, first isolated the psychotropic part of the herb and tested it on a human - himself - with an accidental overdose of 2mg of pure salvinorin A. "One minute I was sitting on my couch expecting nothing to happen and the next I was in a deep out-of-body experience," he said. "I was panicking because I felt I must have died. "After a little while I regained sensory awareness and opened my eyes and looked around me and realised that I was in my grandparents' home from when I was a child. I had come back into the wrong place in my life history. It was extraordinary. The certainty and the detail made it so real." Source: Sunday Times (UK)Author: Adam Nathan Published: July 15 2001Copyright: 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.Contact: editor Divinorum Vault Articles - UK

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Comment #26 posted by whig on January 09, 2006 at 18:21:37 PT
Salvia divinorum
I've been there, and done that.It is quite strange.Most people who have experienced this will tell you that you should not.I agree.Salvia divinorum is the tree of knowledge: I met Samael and Lilith. If I even try to push in that direction now, I have a migraine.
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Comment #25 posted by iaskuy on January 09, 2006 at 05:42:06 PT:
Tried it
 Hello Everyone Tried it. Heard about Salvia from a younger Colleague at work. I had left it at that. Then when I was researching about Meditation and Shamanic Experiences, guess what came up again, Salvia divinorum. So I did some deep research, Internet is good for that and through other account and resources. Finally, went to a local Hemp and Bong Store and was able to purchase some. They were selling it in different catagories: 5X, 10X, 20X, 30X and finally 40X. Prices would increase, depending on its strenghts 40X was the most expensive 80$ for 1 Gram (And people, if you really want to try it, stay with the 5X, see if you Enjoyed the Experience, if not, then put it away, don't go right to the strong stuff, it probably will be the last time you try it again). After I did some more consideration and more research. I purchased the 5X and tried it with a "sitter". Trust me, this should be done. As long as the person is responsible and won't freak you out. Like a friend wanting to make you freak or whatever seems fun at the time. Salvia is again, made to be done in a controlled environment. Also, no Driving either guys, thats also true. Now I've been an avid smoker of Good Marijuana (Pot), Hash or Hash Oil, been smoking for many years, maybe 15 years now. Have done Magic Mushrooms and a little Acid, in high school. But Salvia in not like these... Its true that your body and mind does do strange things, and that if you smoked it in your nice Bong, be ready to put it down on the table in front of you. Cause you will loose some mobility in your body. Also, if any music is playing will might experience a Heightened ability to hearpart of it. Also you may get a sort of brain buzz from it. I for one, think that Salvia, doesn't have its place at any Party or Concert. Thats also true. Needs to be cool place, away from certain urban sounds and with good people around you, a true friend and maybe if your lucky a Modern Shaman. As I am wanting to become. Must be my North American Ancestral Algonquin Indian Background, I must of been a Shaman in another lifetime... *grins* I do believe that it should be used in Traditional Shamanic Rituals and should be treated with care. Or in Meditation rituals or healing rituals. Anyways, yes the effect is on its own, similar to a Mushroom plus a little Acid trip. Actually its a Style of its own. Most get a buzz effect and dizziness is almost guaranteed. Smoking it, the effects and the reaction was within 1 minutes, lasted less then 20 to 30 minutes. You can also take some moist leaves and make a little ball to, leave in your mouth to disolve and swallow after awhile. Also, I recommend sitting down, not having a TV On, Noises also aren't good, in the environment around you. Just gets anoying... For the final note, just be careful when trying Salvia, it might not be for you, so don't be surprised... I also feel that no one should make it illegal, since it goes into tradional usage methodes and can be used with Serious People whom try and heal people with Shaman intentions. Anyways, thats my take. David, Canada 
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Comment #24 posted by CongressmanSuet on July 16, 2001 at 11:35:45 PT:
 You really cant put Salvia ...
   In the same catagory as Datura (Jimson weed),Mandrake, etc. These are classified as Delierents(sp) with some most unpleasent effects, yes, Im sure there are those who have cried out for "death" after ingesting these chemicals. Salvia, on the other hand, Salvinorin A, specifically, is classed as a Psychadelic. Accordingto researchers it is the strongest of its kind in existance. But, it will not reach the same level of popularity as other psychadelics for a few reasons. As mentioned in another post here the method of ingestion is crucial to an intense experience, and many people arent able to master the proper smoking technique, and get almost no, or very slight effects from it. BUT if you do master it, Salvia can lead to some of the most incredibly strange, generally unnerving, experiences of your life. I know to some the idea of out of body experiences sounds interesting, but feelinglike you are physically impaled in a cherry stained dashboard of a 50's type car, with a drive-in movie playing in the background, all the while feeling panicky because you feel like you might not come back, well, its not for 99% of the people. Most people(other than hard head Psychonauts) only do it once, if they get a full effect which is pretty unlikely.Kap is dead on about the health effects, we know very little. I can also vouch for that "Tin foil chrinkling effect" which is common for a low dose, and not particularly pleasent. So with the difficulties of ingestion, and the possibility of very scary departures from reality I dont believe we will see a real Salvia epidemic. A fake one, sure, we can always use another demon to expel...
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Comment #23 posted by observer on July 16, 2001 at 10:56:07 PT
Latest Drug Epidemic! Jail Adults to Save Kids!
Friends, I have done Salvia. And it's nothing to play with.No ... sage advice. This is very powerful, very debilitating stuff. But extremely short acting. 10 or 15 minutes after taking it, effects are gone. If you try it, be sure to have a babysitter . . . someone to catch the pipe after your 2nd hit. I think this is something that people try once or twice, then, curiosity satisfied, tend not to use it. Get your cuttings now . . . 
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Comment #22 posted by Doug on July 16, 2001 at 09:37:31 PT
Reed Canary Grass
Plants containing substances that could cause unexpected effects exist everywhere in nature. Reed canary grass is found everywhere, it grows on the sides of freeways, and is arguably the most potent psychedelic plant. But it is obviously still legal. There are so many of these substances in nature, it would be a full time job for the government to make them all illegal. Personally, I think we should ban barley, since all sorts of harmful substances can be derived from that plant.
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Comment #21 posted by Sudaca on July 16, 2001 at 09:22:11 PT
Salvia Divinorum
Is a very powerful and profound entheogen. And it is not yet in the list of black market commodities. Shall we create a black market for it too?Diversify: pot,blow,heroin,divinorum, morning glory, ayahuasca.. lets see, there's that legal highs list. lets get nutmeg prohibited to.. wow, in a few years the cartels will have a much better portofolio. guaranteed business success
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Comment #20 posted by TroutMask on July 16, 2001 at 06:54:52 PT
Yes, the Salvia experience can be extreme. Most people do not want to repeat it any time soon, though I'm sure there are those psychonauts who do it daily.I did have the "satori-type experience." In brief, I talked to some entities and became part of a giant mud wheel of souls, for lack of a better explanation. Daniel Seibert's first experience with nearly pure Salvinorin-A made him panic because he thought he was dead. I can see that happening easily. You are so "not in" reality that you can't judge where you are at all. And that's why I don't believe it will ever be a "party drug". Unlike LSD, shrooms and X (which I do not consider a psychedelic), Salvia is not something you'd do at a party, disco or concert, especially since the best experiences are generally in silence and darkness with eyes closed. I don't see any simlarity between Salvia and datura, the latter being a dangerous poison that can kill you. And you may wish you were dead if you try any datura, so I suggest that no one try it.It seems that many people hear about salvia as a marijuana alternative. It sure is NOT that! Marijuana is to Salvia what a Yugo is the the space station. I'd put LSD somewhere around a Cessna and "super-psychedelics" like DMT nearly around the same level as Salvia, though my DMT "experience" is currently based upon the reports of others. There are many sources of information about Salvia on the internet. If you really want to hear it from the mouth of Daniel Seibert, there is a video available from, mostly a talk by Seibert but also some video of some people using it. BTW, the sound quality and production are horrible.If you are brave enough to try Salvia, do not simply buy some and try it. Research, read the experiences of others, learn the correct technique (if you just smoke it like mj you are wasting it) be mentally prepared and use a sitter to make sure your body doesn't do anything bad while you are away. Do not try it the first time alone, do not do it in public, and especially do not do it when driving.3 cents...
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Comment #19 posted by kaptinemo on July 16, 2001 at 04:40:01 PT:
Some hopefully sage advice
Friends, I have done Salvia. And it's nothing to play with.I've been wondering how long it would take for the knuckledraggers to become aware of it and start the inevitable process of banning it.Mind you, I am not for the banning of any psychoactive substance. Ban one, you wind up banning them all, sooner or later...and we all know where that leads. Right into the mess we have now.But I always carefully research any new route of consciousness exploration. Unlike many of you, I engaged in cannabis usage very late in life - after I thoroughly checked things out, pro-and-con.But if you check out what passes for research on Salvia, you find something very unusual: no physiological reports. Lots of anecdotal reports of 'trips'...but nothing on heart rate, possible hypretensivity, any other reactions.It's the LSD thing, all over again. A new licit drug is introduced, catches on with the cognoscenti, filters down into the "I jus' wanna have fun!" crowd, the neo-puritanical knuckledraggers catch wind of it, and ban it. But little or no real research is done on it along the way. And after it is banned, only the resident government Lysenko-ists have access to it...and spin all kinds of BS about it to scare you off.Yes, I tried it. Made my own extracts. very strong ones, too. But I didn't have the satori-type experiences that many who have tried it have described. Just deep relaxation and interesting mental imagery. That's all.(In an aside, maybe I didn't need to have those kinds of experiences; I've had some pretty wild ones without any chemical augmentation at all, courtesy of some meditative techniques I learned elsewhere. Like the old Rolling Stones song said: You can't always get what you want; but you often get what you need.)My concerns, however, were revolving around the physiological reactions I was experiencing. Namely, possible hypertensivity.The medication that I am on can cause brief episodes of hypertensivity if too much is taken. And the physiological reactions I experienced were awfully close to what I had experienced on those brief moments.(Of course, I did not have an M.D. standing by, taking blood pressure readings, so my observations are purely subjective. But I am quite certain of what I felt.)I've gone into all manner of newsgroups, asking questions, and received only silence. It is not the silence of those in the know keeping a neophyte in the dark; it's the silence of the genuinely ignorant. Nobody has conducted any scientific studies on physiological reactions. Or at least if they have, it's buried under another subject. or not published yet.This is uncharted territory, friends; the only kind of maps available are the type that say "Here be Dragons" at the corners. You travel there at your own risk. 
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Comment #18 posted by jorma nash on July 16, 2001 at 01:52:26 PT
don't think i'm taking this stuff lightly.
oh, yeah, don't think i'm taking this stuff lightly.i've heard of salvia exactly once before, i personally have no idea what this plant specifically does.speaking generally about the way powerful experiences, though,i think they do have their place. And their place is certainly not recreational fun,and not for people not throughly experienced and knowledgablein altered states of conciousness, and i don't mean merely chemical-induced altered states, either.(if you want to raid, DEA, you won't find anything. i've done acid exactly four times, years ago.)the only problem i ever had was attempting to write down the torrent of ideas fast enough.i expanded outward to fill the entire universe;and/or maybe the entire universe was manifest inside me:i wept at the joy and the unconditional love and the implicate order.maybe you will get me in a prison cell yet one day fordaring to consider my mind my what? i've seen ItAll;i saw what place your petty bigotry has in ItAll;you can't take that away from me.And, i prepared as i would if i was going into an uncharted cave,or any other journey into the unknown.these kinds of things are a drop-dead serious spiritual journey,not some party game.if you mess around with stuff like this just for a 'fun buzz,'you deserve to get overwhelmed.
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Comment #17 posted by dddd on July 16, 2001 at 00:24:39 PT
Legalizit,,,,,you are right,,,it is sortof a datura,,jimson weed typething,,although not as deadly poisonous......It lacks the pleasantnessof a mushroom trip,it makes lsd look rather tame....,,it is for sure however,,that for most people,,it is in the "not a pleasant experience" category.....dddd
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Comment #16 posted by legalizeit on July 15, 2001 at 23:35:03 PT
From what dddd said, it sounds like Salvia could be almost as bad psychologically as Datura (jimsonweed and related species), a substance that even many Native American shamans won't approach. Some of the Datura experiences related on Erowid and similar sites are downright horrifying! (And it is a legal plant. Go figure.)I have read most of the Erowid and other information on Salvia, and it sounds interesting, though not something I think I would be up to. (If I ever get around to exploring my mind in this manner, it will probably be with one of the mescaline-containing cacti like San Pedro, which seems by most accounts to give a positive, mind-opening experience - dependent on set and setting of course!) I have read, however, that chewing Salvia ("quid") gives a much less traumatic experience than smoking it.I talked to a guy who chewed a quid of Salvia one time and he said it just made him feel like a piece of tinfoil being crinkled up. He could even hear the crinkling sound. It was "most uncomfortable." He said it wasn't worth it at all.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on July 15, 2001 at 23:07:07 PT

Anti-Drug Commercial 
Just a profound revelation. We could do an antidrug commercial! Wonder if they'd pay us? No. Not likely! PS: I posted this on the wrong thread. Duh!
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Comment #14 posted by dddd on July 15, 2001 at 22:59:20 PT

it's true
....for most people,,,the salvia experience will be a nightmare from hell type of could be compared,,,, the mental equivalent of a blind and deaf person,,,,,who gets really drunk,,and plays with a's not a can get very ugly....dddd
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on July 15, 2001 at 22:58:37 PT

dddd, Jorma and CongressmanSuet
Sounds like good advice not to try Salvia. I have a fragile mind and don't need it anymore bent then it is already. LOL! I think I'll pass. I can still remember the body aches I got after doing LSD back in the 70s. They weren't comfortable at all. 
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Comment #12 posted by CongressmanSuet on July 15, 2001 at 22:24:09 PT

    Take these words of caution[ Im sure dddd can back me up on this one]Salvia is not easily managable the way it is marketed today, and you never really know what to expect as far as concentrations are concerned. A full blown salvia trip can be great, and it can also be unnerving. But it will never reach the statis of "-Recreational Drug". Its not for the squeamish, or the un-educated....
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Comment #11 posted by dddd on July 15, 2001 at 22:11:54 PT

yup FoM,,,it wont be long until kava kava is prohibited,,along withalot of other herbal remedies......You are wise to pass on the's nothing at all like Marijuana,and unless one is well seasoned,andvery well acquainted with themselves,,,,,it can easily be a very bad is not a "recreational" type of thing,,,it can be a "not fun" experience for most people......dddd
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Comment #10 posted by jorma nash on July 15, 2001 at 21:58:29 PT

"Sometimes I think they think we aren't intelligent enough to take care of ourselves."I unconditionally guarntee they do not.Altered States of conciousness are Evil,if that isn't Obvious to you,you are a Danger to Yourself,and They are determined to Protect You from Yourselfby Any Means Necessary.and they sleep very well at night,after a full day of pious work at the Right Hand of God.
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Comment #9 posted by Darb on July 15, 2001 at 21:26:37 PT

New Drug Craze my a$$
Corvallis, I'm a 19 year old from up in PA, and I can honestly say I have yet to run into any "youngsters" experimenting with the drug. 99% of people my age aren't aware that such a legal drug exists. I myself only learned about it 4 months or so ago up at college while doing research on the internet. By publicizing it like this, they're bound to create public interest of the drug, then once enough people have learned about it and tried it, they'll believe they have adequite reason to ban it due to it's "explosive" growth in usage. That's about the normal course for almost every drug that's been outlawed so far I believe, and that's probably the same direction this is heading. Pot prohibition is losing favor the world-over, if they don't create some new boogie-men, how in the world can the DEA save their jobs?I hardly believe there are people in Amsterdamn switching from growing herb to growing salvia, from the price estimated I've seen salvia costs about the same as any other herb, so it'd be like setting up a massive grow operation to produce ginger or sage. That is, until it's illegal and the price escalates 1000% or so.-PeaceDarb 
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on July 15, 2001 at 21:23:48 PT

My 2 cents
I am a firm believer in using Psychotropic Herbs. They keep me in a good frame of mind and make life just a little nicer. I haven't had any side effects from herbs either. Sometimes I think they think we aren't intelligent enough to take care of ourselves. I'n waiting for them to try to make Kava illegal. Handbook of Psychotropic Herbs by Dr. Russo I've never tried Salvia either. I'm too old to do any tripping! Just too old! LOL!
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Comment #7 posted by jorma nash on July 15, 2001 at 21:15:05 PT

SoulCrime. DoublePlusSlipperySlope.
>Users have reported sensations of travelling through time and space, >assuming the identities of other people and merging with inanimate objects. of course, we can just Assume a priori these must be hallucinations.i off wonder what kinds of spirtitual slavery we live inand haven't the slightest clue of,because of the Thought Policesupressing threats to their ideas of realityby Any Means Necassary.>Experts say they are risking their minds, >and perhaps their lives, by taking the drug.or you could ask the people who have been doing it for thousands of years and ask what the side effects are.oh, yeah, they aren't Anglo-Saxon Scientists, so their opinionis not worth it's weight in excrement."After a little while I regained sensory awareness and opened my eyes and looked around me and realised that I was in my grandparents' home from when I was a child. I had come back into the wrong place in my life history. It was extraordinary. The certainty and the detail made it so real."well, just think what kind of world it might be if just anyone was allowed to have 'extraordinary' experiences without permission...
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Comment #6 posted by CorvallisEric on July 15, 2001 at 21:12:58 PT

Yes, Corvallis, Oregon - paradise for sturdy backroads bicyclists (poison oak everywhere, though) - otherwise, bring your own entertainment.On the subject of creating a drug menace, a classic study:The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs (1972). This link has the whole book chapter-by-chapter: this link, you can download the whole book as a ZIP file, books are in date order: below for the chapter on inhalants.--------------Couple more points on Salvia:1 - Note the word "Loophole" in the headline as if there were sinister plot afoot. It has simply been "under the radar". There is no more loophole than if I tried to get high on banana peels (remember anyone?).2 - Salvia's real danger, only hinted in the article - "People can be very damaged in terms of their personal functioning" - is the danger of falling, setting the house on fire if smoking it, etc. from rapid changes in consciousness. There's harm reduction info on the Internet.No, I've never tried it.
Chapter 44 - How to launch a nationwide drug menace
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Comment #5 posted by dddd on July 15, 2001 at 20:21:06 PT

It was bound to happen
..I've been hep to this radical herb for some years,,and I knew,,whenI saw the material on the internet,that it wouldnt be long before somebigmouth pointed it out,and within a year or so,it will be schedule 1.....just watch......A few more articles like this,and there will be a bunchof people experimenting with it....Once again,,the dea/ondcp,,is goingto advertise,and popularize it,publicize it,,,,making a new drug crazeto assure their funding,,,,,and then use it to expand their cold stragleholdand grip on our freedoms,and privacy....bummerdddd
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Comment #4 posted by swagman on July 15, 2001 at 19:43:32 PT

Hook me up.
I don't think something like this will become the new drug craze, I just don't think that a strong psychedelic will ever be really popular again.
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Comment #3 posted by Doug on July 15, 2001 at 18:56:25 PT

You're Right, CorvallisEric
Is this Corvallis, Oregon by the way? Here we are seeing right before our eyes the creation of a new drug "menace". I've already had a friend recommend this drug, and soon it will be illegal, which will make it more popular.  I've got another friend who has tried to grow it, without any luck, but it is suppose to be posible, and I'm sure that there will soon be grow manuals. All the publicity in the papers is just advertising for this drug, but it is being given away free. Is this a great country, or what? I can't wait for the 60 Minutes special, 48 Hours on Salvia Street. And can this be detected by a urine test? If I were going to buy stock now, I'd invest in Salvia Futures.
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Comment #2 posted by CorvallisEric on July 15, 2001 at 16:02:19 PT

Questions about Salvia
Salvia divinorum definitely has an internet presence, but you have to either know what you're looking for or be attuned to the psychedelic underground - in my perhaps outdated experience.Questions:1 - Is it really "the latest fashion in the world of recreational drug-taking"?2 - Does anyone know anything more about the following? Is it true (the part about switching to Salvia and flooding the market)? To what extent?"In Amsterdam, where large-scale indoor marijuana growing is now outlawed, cannabis growers have switched to salvia, flooding the European market."With mass media attention like this, you can have a whole new drug "problem". Then it will go Schedule 1 (or A in the UK), generating even more interest, more use and accidents by naive teenagers, more media attention, moral panic to help elect prohibitionists, etc, etc.
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Comment #1 posted by Jose Melendez on July 15, 2001 at 14:33:26 PT:

by definition
Dictionary Information: Definition SageThesaurus: SagacityDescription and Meaning: Sagacity  Sage (Sage) (?), n.[OE. sauge, F. sauge, L. salvia, from salvus saved, in allusion to its reputed healing virtues. See Safe.](Bot.) (a) A suffriticose labiate plant (Salvia officinalis) with grayish green foliage, much used in flavoring meats, etc. The name is often extended to the whole genus, of which many species are cultivated for ornament, as the scarlet sage, and Mexican red and blue sage. (b) The sagebrush.-- Meadow sage (Bot.), a blue-flowered species of salvia (S. pratensis) growing in meadows in Europe.-- Sage cheese, cheese flavored with sage, and colored green by the juice of leaves of spanish and other plants which are added to the milk.-- Sage cock (Zol.), the male of the sage grouse; in a more general sense, the specific name of the sage grouse.-- Sage green, of a dull grayish green color, like the leaves of garden sage.-- Sage grouse (Zol.), a very large American grouse (Centrocercus urophasianus), native of the dry sagebrush plains of Western North America. Called also cock of the plains. The male is called sage cock, and the female sage hen.-- Sage hare, or Sage rabbit (Zol.), a species of hare (Lepus Nuttalli, or artemisia) which inhabits the regions of Western North America and lives among sagebrush. By recent writers it is considered to be merely a variety of the common cottontail, or wood rabbit.-- Sage hen (Zol.), the female of the sage grouse. Sage sparrow (Zol.), a small sparrow (Amphispiza Belli, var Nevadensis) which inhabits the dry plains of the Rocky Mountain region, living among sagebrush.-- Sage thrasher (Zol.), a singing bird (Oroscoptes montanus) which inhabits the sagebrush plains of Western North America.-- Sage willow (Bot.), a species of willow (Salix tristis) forming a low bush with nearly sessile grayish green leaves.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sage (Sage) (?), a.[Compar. Sager (?); superl. Sagest.][F., fr. L. sapius (only in nesapius unwise, foolish), fr. sapere to be wise; perhaps akin to E. sap. Cf. Savor, Sapient, Insipid.]1. Having nice discernment and powers of judging; prudent; grave; sagacious. "All you sage counselors, hence!" Shak.2. Proceeding from wisdom; well judged; shrewd; well adapted to the purpose. "Commanders, who, cloaking their fear under show of sage advice, counseled the general to retreat." Milton.3. Grave; serious; solemn. [R.] "[Great bards.] in sage and solemn tunes have sung." Milton.(-- the "great bards" was moved inside the quote for consistency. --)Synonyms -- Wise; sagacious; sapient; grave; prudent; judicious.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sage (Sage), n.A wise man; a man of gravity and wisdom; especially, a man venerable for years, and of sound judgment and prudence; a grave philosopher. "At his birth a star, Unseen before in heaven, proclaims him come, And guides the Eastern sages." Milton. from:
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