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Future of Cannabis Clubs Debated
Posted by CN Staff on April 25, 2008 at 10:48:01 PT
By Karen Holzmeister, Staff Writer
Source: Oakland Tribune
California -- Many area residents rejoiced after federal drug enforcement agents closed a Cherryland medical marijuana sales outlet last October. "You were frightened to walk down Mission Boulevard, with 30 to 40 18-year-olds waiting to get in," claimed Kathie Ready of San Lorenzo. "Now you don't see a huge group of gang members in front. Anything that allows that horrible place to open (again) is a crime against this community."
She spoke Wednesday at the county's monthly unincorporated services meeting in San Lorenzo, where county law enforcement representatives proposed stiffer controls on marijuana sales in unincorporated areas. Since 2005, three marijuana dispensaries have operated in Cherryland under county permits. At best, cannabis retailers can expect the county to dictate what they sell, how it's sold and who does the selling. At worst, county supervisors ó who passed the 2005 law governing marijuana sales ó could eliminate one permit. "My constituents would like to see the permits reduced to two," said Supervisor Alice Lai-Bitker, one of five members of the Board of Supervisors. Her district includes San Lorenzo. The permit in question currently is held by the Compassionate Patients' Cooperative. The marijuana dispensary was shut down last fall by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on a variety of illegal drug sale and conspiracy charges. The federal agency does not recognize California laws legalizing the sale of marijuana to patients with doctors prescriptions. The other two clubs in the area are We Are Hemp and the Garden of Eden. "I don't know anything about this," Adele Morgan, We Are Hemp's owner, said Thursday when informed of the proposed changes that supervisors will consider this summer. Morgan's current operating permit extends until 2010. "We haven't had any trouble," Morgan said of her business, which she described as a "small, family operation." Morgan was scheduled to meet later Thursday with an aide to Supervisor Nate Miley. On Wednesday, Miley defended the supervisors' 2005 decision to allow and control the clinics. He said medically prescribed marijuana "is a necessity for some people. Without it, their lives would be nonexistent." "I'm feeling bold," he added, suggesting that the state legalize, regulate and tax marijuana like other commodities on the open market. "We would not have a (county) deficit," now estimated at $73 million for 2008-09, with income from marijuana sales, Miley claimed. A handful of residents from Ashland, Castro Valley and San Lorenzo disagreed with him and the meeting, chaired by Lai-Bitker, became a verbal free-for-all. Speakers questioned the state and county's challenging of federal drug authority by allowing the marijuana sales outlets. They also described problems with the businesses. From 2000 to 2005, seven marijuana clinics opened in Ashland and Cherryland. Some neighbors complained about loitering and crime. Armed robberies and the murder of a robbery suspect occurred in or near dispensaries in 2005. That's when supervisors limited the number of clinics to three. "We don't want these clubs in our community," said Wulf Bieschke, president of the San Lorenzo Village Homes Association. "They benefit the minority, but affect the lives of the majority." Karen Holzmeister covers Castro Valley, the Hayward Area Recreation and Park District, and county government for unincorporated areas. Note: Marijuana outlet created fearful atmosphere, resident says.Source: Oakland Tribune (CA)Author: Karen Holzmeister, Staff WriterPublished: April 25, 2008Copyright: 2008 MediaNews Group, Inc. Contact: triblet angnewspapers.com Website: http://www.oaklandtribune.com/CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 19:47:36 PT
Medicine is like fire...
It has to be handled carefully. It can do great good, even wonders, and it can sometimes, in some cases, be quite dangerous, and for one reason or another, go really wrong, and hurt and kill.It's a really bad idea to be careless with it. A lot of it can turn to poison very easily.
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 19:40:30 PT
FoM Comment 78
I think you're right.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 19:22:17 PT
Hope
When I try to problem solve I do it by process of elimination. If I would take too many drugs at one time then I won't know what helps or hurts. I just think that's the smart way to approach medicine. 
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 18:58:50 PT
worrying about too much medicine
I don't blame you.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 18:57:11 PT
Hope
I'm afraid to take anymore medicine so I hope I don't need anything for the pollen right now.
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 18:56:25 PT
Good stuff on the blogosphere, tonight.
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/ DrugWarRanthttp://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/ Grits For Breakfast
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Comment #74 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 18:19:30 PT
Pollen is in the air.
Did have to make use of some good allergy medicine today. But it worked well. I'm thankful for that, too.
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 18:17:28 PT
I just started a fire in the Fisher, too.
It is chilly and I needed to burn some wood I had brought up in the wheelbarrow and hadn't used. It is so well seasoned... and the weather has been pretty warm... it looks like a habitat for creeping things. But nothing shot up my arm, got me, that I know of, or came racing out of the fire.The fire crackling and popping sounds nice. It's a peaceful evening here.Peace and Grace to us all.
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Comment #72 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 18:06:06 PT
Hope
We started a fire just to take the chill out of the air. The grass is thick and rich. The trees are on their way to being full. Pollen is in the air. That's the bad part. LOL!
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 17:24:55 PT
Everything is green and busy...
I can see that I've lost a lot of my birds here, because I don't have nearly as many bushes and trees as I used to.Not nearly. It's no wonder.
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Comment #70 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 17:23:10 PT
It was sunny and warm here this morning...
but got considerably cooler and cloudy... dark and blue cloudy... in the afternoon. 
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 15:45:58 PT
Hope
The weather is wonderful here today. We have a hawk that keeps flying around. It's 70 and clear skies. Spring is such a beautiful time of year. Everything comes back to life. 
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 15:05:22 PT
Bird sightings lately...
A big healthy looking female Cardinal. Looks like she might be thinking about nesting.Killdees.Swallows.Roadrunners.Mockingbirds. *sigh*It does a soul good.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 14:07:06 PT
Kathie, Kathie, Kathie....
Was that an attempt at hypnotic suggestion?:0)""You were frightened to walk down Mission Boulevard, with 30 to 40 18-year-olds waiting to get in," claimed Kathie Ready of San Lorenzo."Kathie!
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 14:03:29 PT
Hatred, including harsh retribution....
Choosing deliberately to not hate... is a sign of strength, not weakness, I've learned.It's so much easier to hate than it is to not hate.
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 13:53:52 PT
Oh... I see what Kathie is getting at....
It's all eighteen year olds waiting to buy pot?I don't think I believe her.
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 13:46:24 PT
Kathie Ready, again.
""You were frightened to walk down Mission Boulevard, with 30 to 40 18-year-olds waiting to get in," claimed Kathie Ready of San Lorenzo."Does she ever go to the movies? Does she get that way at the movies, too, if their are young men waiting? Maybe she's agoraphobic. Maybe she's brainwashed.Does it matter to her what shade of flesh the young men wait in? Their style of clothing? Is it too much long hair? Too many bald heads? Is it their pants? Do they have a threatening demeanor? Is it because they look abnormal? Is it because they look so normal and she thinks they can't be, and that frightens her?Do they look at her funny... different from the young men at the movies?Are the people waiting in line behaving threateningly, somehow, towards her? I'm trying to imagine Whig, or Museman, or Runruff, or BGreen or Gloovins or Had Enough... the list goes on... or a bunch of Whigs, Musemen, Runruffs, BGreens, Gloovinses, and Had Enoughs waiting in line... actually "frightening" her.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 13:34:12 PT
Focus
I prefer to focus on what I admire in other people, of all ages and eras. It's results are usually beneficial. It's easy to see how that "Focus" could cause me to be more like the person I admire.Same thing happens with hating them.(I'll get off this pony in a while.)
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 12:17:51 PT
There's strength here at C-News
and other places on the web, for all of us. The rope and combined strength thing. One strand can be broken more easily than a whole rope of like minds and spirits.We, drug law reformers, are a profoundly strong rope trying to drag a better way of existence for all into being.
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Comment #61 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 12:13:08 PT
Anger, indignation, and outrage
It's why I'm here. It's what got me... "called" me... made me have to do something. To say something. To stand up. To drag a proverbial soapbox around with me everywhere I go. Anything! Focus on anything but hatred and wanting someone to die. And as in anything this fiery and hot... you have to check the focus and regulators regularly.We are trying to end a very badly conceived "War". This heat of battle attitude that leans towards blind hatred doesn't help us. I don't want a victory for them or us in this stupid war. I just want an end to it. 
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Comment #60 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 12:00:38 PT
Like my Mom
used to tell me when I was little. "Don't hate people. You can hate the things they might do or say... but don't hate them." I'm glad she taught me that. Anger, indignation, and outrage can change things for the better,and certainly they often have when they are focused correctly. Murderous hatred is not good focus, by any means, though.And, like Mr. Gothard preached through to me, I was able to understand it... there's a chance I might get to be like them if I really hate them personally.
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Comment #59 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 11:36:27 PT
Comment 58
Speaking to Woot again.
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 11:35:23 PT
Preaching that "Tolerance crap"....
I've been told not to start that "Love" or "Jesus" "Crap" before, too, when it comes to dealing with people, politics, life, the world... etc.We can't "preach" love and tolerance... but it's just fine for you to "preach" hatred?Hmmmmm?No.
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Comment #57 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 11:26:00 PT
Runruff
"It has been my personal experience that most LEOs are corrupt to the bone."I agree. I got my education in much gentler way than yours... but educated I became, none the less.There are "Bad Actors" in all of life... but I think the percentage runs way too high in law enforcement. It worries me. I mean "Bad Actors" working at Wal-Mart is different than "Bad Actors" being allowed so much power over others.They're hideous to think about. And there are so many more in recent years of what I just have to consider are "Goons" being employed by police and other law enforcement departments. There's also, apparently more of the guys that make the term "Steroid rage" spring to mind serving in law enforcement. Their increased presence in the LEO world is not especially reassuring. 
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 10:58:29 PT
Hope
Very good comments. I think that hate is the most destructive emotion we have. Hate paralyzes us from achieving our future and in turn we might miss something good. I think of a horse with blinders on. A horse can see in front, to the side and behind him. They can get spooked that way. With blinders on a horse can only see straight ahead and we should put our blinders on if we want to accomplish anything. We are in the year 2008 and nothing in the past can be changed. The future should be everyones focus. 
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 10:56:55 PT
In fact.... Woot.
You sounded like Daryl Gates sometimes.Brrr.. I don't want to be like him. I bet you didn't even realize you were like him.Oh my gosh. I don't want to be like that woman who sent Jonathan Magbie to his death. I don't want to be like that woman who tried to rend Mr. and Mrs. Runruff's marriage and life. I don't want to be like those people that took Museman and his family's home that they built themselves out of sweat, tears, blood, bangs, cuts, and bruises, toil, love and virtually nothing else. I don't want to be like Andrea Barthwell! I don't want to be like Betty Sembler, or Calvina Faye! Oh my Lord, help me!It's an intellectual and spiritual "battle". A "wrestling with angels" if you will. They're cruel. They're unreasonable. They're monsters and they can't even see it. They kill and hurt people in their freaky zeal. They have a wicked deal with the cartels and the people who profit from imprisoning others.Nope. Don't want to be like them... so I can't chance hating them, no matter how tempting, for very long. 
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 10:44:19 PT
The truth about hatred... I think... or part of it
One thing we discussed from time to time is the phenomenon of "becoming like that which you hate".When I first heard that idea, at a Bill Gothard seminar, I found it very interesting... and was more than a little alarmed at the concept.But it's true.You can be so thoroughly hating and feeding your hate that you don't see what's happening to you. You are becoming like them. 
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 10:39:42 PT
Some of what we are trying to do....
We try to understand. We try to see whatís really going on. We try to see the root of this drug war debacle and what feeds it.  We try to understand what's caused this awful thing... this War on Drugs and particularly, cannabis. We know that hatred, ignorance, and fear have everything to do with it.We have wondered here, several times, at spiritual, physical, intellectual... all aspects of feelings that smolder, and swelter, and burn. And they do. Sometimes they burst into flames.... hatred. We know that things can and do burst into flames, i.e., death, and disaster caused by the war on drugs... somewhere... at any time. Yee Gads! Consider the insanity of it. It's got Biblical proportions written all over it. 
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Comment #52 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 10:26:44 PT
Woot
I said earlier, "Also... it seems almost like we've literally studied hatred and it's power on this site over the years. Hatred isn't good. Really." There's plenty of reason to hate the prohibs and their enforcers and supporters. Plenty. Everyone of us here knows that. Itís not just a religious belief. Itís a profound truth. Hatred can make you physically sick... sometimes you donít know it... but itís doing it. Itís causing your body to actively create chemicals with yourself... that harm you. Some of us are very sensitive to that. I have been all my life. Even as a small child. Itís not an age thing.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 10:26:03 PT
Sam
It's true. We need to find out what works and stick with it. Ice cream makes me feel better but acidic foods set it off. Since it seems I have a stomach ulcer that would make sense. I drink only a little coffee in the morning and drink water all day long now. I miss soda but I can't drink it anymore. I will watch the news but not like I have been. This has taken way too long to complete. I feel sorry for Obama and even Hillary a little because they must be exhausted. Maybe it will be over after Indiana. I hope so.
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Comment #50 posted by sam adams on April 26, 2008 at 10:16:59 PT
food
I've been trying to avoid all dairy, it's difficult in the extreme as I'm used to eating it almost at every meal. But I'm being forced to recognize that I do better without it, it may be time to say goodbye to pizza. It's not easy as I've been eating pizza every day for lunch for about 25 years.(I also tried taking Lactaid, it helps a little but it seems better to avoid dairy)Dr. Andrew Weil tells people to avoid watching the news to help their health, he says it really helps decrease stress & anxiety, he's probably right. I always say the way to feel better is to get involved and work on something instead of ignoring the news. The truth is that you have the find the balance that works for you.
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 10:12:29 PT
Sam
Thank you. Trying to stop the pain has been so difficult. It made my whole body hurt. The pain jumped around and I never knew where it would show up again. I would feel better and then out of the clear blue sky I was doubled over. After I get thru with the treatment I will check into alternative medicine. I am trying to figure out what I can eat and the only way to tell is to eat something and hope for the best. I must stop worrying so much. I know that when Senator Obama gets the nomination that will take a lot of worry from me. I have stopped watching the news now for a while. I am watching Simon and Garfunkel in Central Park's concert from way back when and that makes me feel good. 
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Comment #48 posted by sam adams on April 26, 2008 at 09:58:59 PT
fom
Glad to hear your health is on the upswing! I've had many serious GI woes and I can sympathize. I hope you can continue to find some relief.I assume you're heard the usual natural medicine ideas for GI problems. I've been advised to take pro-biotics pills or eat fresh, natural yogurt many times. Currently I take the pills sometimes and I eat Seven Stars organic yogurt daily, outstanding, it's from PA, you might be able to find it. I also take some hemp seed oil every AM, it's supposed to help a little with GI stuff, and it's good for many other things.I find that sometimes the bitter herbs give relief, usually "cleansing" blends of tincture like wormwood & black walnut, goldenseal, oregon grape root, elecampane. Sometimes when I'm feeling bad I'll try some of these tinctures and it helps, other times it does nothing. 
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 09:15:23 PT
runruff
I can only imagine how hard it was for you to be locked up for 2 years. You have every right to look at life how you are right now. Time will change how you feel as you get further away from that terrible time.
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Comment #46 posted by runruff on April 26, 2008 at 09:10:45 PT:
From
You know, my wife said she always thought that I was the sweetest guy in the world. [Oh gosh] But she said that after two years in prison I seem to be a little cynical. Maybe it is true but I don't suppose I could have experienced all that I did without being affected.Your take on things is always softer than mine. It is good to hear.I hear about your pain relief. We are both very happy for you.Jerry
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 08:55:02 PT
runruff
I am a strong believer in morality. I believe it is very important. What the word moral means to me is to be kind, forgiving, tolerant and helpful to those who have a need and we are in a position to help. That's all it means to me. Morality never means hate or locking people up for not marching to the beat that they pound.Cool Woodstock Videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKdpuhspYPY
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Comment #44 posted by runruff on April 26, 2008 at 08:45:18 PT:
I must speak here.
This mans use of the word moral is the most misused I've ever witnessed of this word. What's in the world could be immoral about burning and or imbibing a plant.My wife and I have often times discussed how people use words to accuse others. Words that always most appropriately describe themselves. I think it is because people say what is foremost on there minds. They use what knowledge is available to them. When it comes to making accusations or putting tags on people they just naturally call people what they know [ie] who they are.It has been my personal experience that most LEOs are corrupt to the bone. They are like the thief who says hey look over there while he pilfers while you are looking else where, thus the idea of accusing someone who is potentially a threat to your budget and moral standing an amoral person. It is a part of their misleading PR.
 
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 08:20:08 PT
Hope
What a relief. I feel really good today too. I think the Pepcid was what I needed added to the Prilosec. I love Woodstock. I'm watching The Band playing the Weight on Youtube now. This DVD is just really special to me. I wasn't at Woodstock but it makes me feel like I was. I only play it in the Spring and Summer. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=woodstock+69&page=2
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on April 26, 2008 at 07:59:53 PT
Yay!
And you've found that you can still get some doctoring and doctor advice without having to literally lose the farm and everything you own to pay for it. I'm glad and thankful.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on April 26, 2008 at 06:07:23 PT
Thank You
I love all of you. This has been a physical battle like non I've had in many years but I think I'm going to make it. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives. I just put in my Woodstock 69 The Director's Cut DVD like I do every Spring since I have had it. It's great seeing it on a 47 inch Flat Screen TV with surround sound. Have a wonderful day!
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Comment #40 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on April 26, 2008 at 02:37:19 PT
OT - Most NBA players use marijuana!
Dallas Mavericks forward Josh Howard admitted on a radio show Friday that he smokes marijuana in the offseason....."Everybody in the media world and the sports world knows NBA players do smoke marijuana," Howard told The Michael Irvin Show on the local ESPN affiliate."Most of the players in the league use marijuana and I have and do partake in smoking weed in the offseason sometimes," Howard said.http://tinyurl.com/49fb63 (sportsnetwork.com)
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Comment #39 posted by Paint with light on April 25, 2008 at 23:48:47 PT
FoM, I hope some swift healing is coming your way
Too busy to post.Still reading.Show season is in full swing.Equal with alcohol is all we ask.
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Comment #38 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on April 25, 2008 at 23:19:06 PT
That IS really, really, really good news, Hope!
Get Well FoM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Comment #37 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on April 25, 2008 at 23:02:10 PT
Revisionist History?
How can someone with a degree in both History and Political Science blame the 1968 US election on "Boomers"?Hardly any baby boomers could vote in 1968!"Baby boomer is a North American-English term used to describe a person who was born between 1946 and 1964." - WikipediaThe 26th Amendment wasn't passed until 1971, and only a handful of people under 21 could vote in 1968, so the great majority of US citizens had to be born before November of 1947 to be eligible to vote in 1968.It seems to me, that if you want to start executing people, you ought to get your facts right first.
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 21:25:09 PT
Really... really.... really.
Today is a great day. Our friend, and someone who provides us with a wonderful and great service, our own FoM, our own Martha.....finally went for a long overdue visit to the doctor. Thank God and everyone else who finally got her there!She's had awful pain and sickness for a way, way long time.I don't know how she tends to this place like she does, being well. But being sick and miserable... All I can say... is, it's been very hard... and you're a trooper in the truest and best sense of the word, Martha... aka FoM.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 21:16:46 PT
Gloovins
It's good to see you and I'm really, really glad things are going well with you. 
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 21:15:05 PT
Hi! Gloovins!
:0)
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Comment #33 posted by gloovins on April 25, 2008 at 21:12:32 PT
You're welcome ..
Glad to hear that Hope is helping - Hi Hope ! :) Always wanted to type that ! ;) Hope all is well with both, you & hope, ok I'm getting a dizzy feeling..;)Well, I just realized it's friday night & I'm on cannabisnews.com & I'm happy...life is good but it's about to get better. I'm gonna jet but we do love you mucho & I love this forum as well...it's lively with some spice! Oh yes & sorry about my typo ."..they'd be able to provide massive amounts of bio-fuel..." is what I meant. The rants can get like that.Mad love to all...
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 21:11:16 PT
Although...
someone, somewhere... some prohibitionist/preventionist took the very idea (Gloovin's dream) as a "Moral slap in the face".Ok. If it helps. If that's what it takes to get your foot off people's necks that you have no business having your foot on.
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 21:06:52 PT
Gloovins 25
Wow! You are a dreamer, aren't you? A really good one! That one took me by surprise! That's genius! "Anything's possible" I've heard.From Comment 25, "So, let's say on this May 1st the federal government and the state's governors got together in a bi-partisan effort for the good of the American people, they re-legalized hemp & along with the DEA and the Dept of Agriculture they offered unused government land in cooperation with farmers nationwide, & with the help of the intraweb & maybe Al Gore, they we able to provide massive amounts of bio-fuel with the harvest in just about 3 months time! That'll show em! Progress and Innovation from our politicians. Yeah!I'm a dreamer, what can I say?" 
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 20:58:24 PT
comment 23 Ekim
Nobody did anything wrong?Oh that must be like those other times when the police killed people out of sheer, wild-eyed, crazy, shrieking, freaking fear or something, and nobody "did anything wrong". They should resign if they are that messed up.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 20:58:14 PT
gloovins
Thank you. That means alot. Hope has been there for me thru this whole thing. She convinced me to try a particular medicine that helped me to start feeling a little better. I've been sick so long it's hard to remember feeling good but I am getting better now.
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Comment #28 posted by gloovins on April 25, 2008 at 20:53:51 PT
FoM
I just re-read this thread & the comments again & would like to tell you that you are in my prayers for good health and spirits. It had slipped my mind that you were not feeling so well. For this I apologize. I know you have a responsibility and a definite right to moderate this forum by all means but I just want you to know you are loved and I sense numerous people from around the world are sending you good vibes and positive feelings. You have alot of them from me -- for sure!Please keep up the good hard work it takes to run c-news. Many blessings to you, Martha... 
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 20:49:38 PT
Comment 19 The GCW
That's so true. Remember when I accidentally posted a page that linked to what appeared to be pretty hardcore porn? Maybe more than once. I didn't mean to do that. I've learned... most of the time... to look a page over from top to bottom if it's not one of the regular sites I go to.FoM knows what she's doing. This is a different site than nearly anywhere... but we're here... we've been talking, and worrying, ranting, grieving, discussing, and trying to encourage each other and build each other up in the hopes that we will all be able to continue the struggle to it's very end, and looking for something positive to hold to on to, or to keep each other afloat on this "Long strange trip"....for years and years and years and years... and most of us are still speaking! That's pretty danged amazing.Also... it seems almost like we've literally studied hatred and it's power on this site over the years. Hatred isn't good. Really.We try very hard to keep our outrage from turning into rage. There's been enough suffering. I'm very much against suffering and the activities of those who choose to make other's suffer.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 20:47:48 PT
gloovins
It's nice to see you. Things will be hard for your generation but they were hard for my generation too. Hard times make us strong. That's just another part of life. The bumpy part.
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Comment #25 posted by gloovins on April 25, 2008 at 20:38:17 PT
Hi all
Thought I'd chip in and say wOOO is full of energy and that is good. But divisive language is negative so, maybe just moderate yourself as best possible in this happy forumLeary? Fascinating individual who indeed help overturn a very old unconstitutional law that needed to be...But he will be remembered in history as sort of a nut, oh well -- THAT generation is hanging on in all ways possible. 65 the retirement age? That should come down as inflation rises. Doesn't happen though and Social Security is broke in about 15 years...They'll probably raise the damn age to collect. It's sad and oh so the reality. I'm in my mid 30's - by 50 in 15 years or so, it's gonna be bad man, sheesh, I don't even like to think about it...just read the drudgereportsdaily corporate fed gloom...blahhh blah blah. I am optimistic though.I think humanity is going to adapt to foreign oil dependency... check this out - http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=84623 - These guys in Illinois got a Prius to get 100 mpg!So, let's say on this May 1st the federal government and the state's governors got together in a bi-partisan effort for the good of the American people, they re-legalized hemp & along with the DEA and the Dept of Agriculture they offered unused government land in cooperation with farmers nationwide, & with the help of the intraweb & maybe Al Gore, they we able to provide massive amounts of bio-fuel with the harvest in just about 3 months time! That'll show em! Progress and Innovation from our politicians. Yeah!I'm a dreamer, what can I say?  
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 20:27:07 PT
Wierd....
""You were frightened to walk down Mission Boulevard, with 30 to 40 18-year-olds waiting to get in," claimed Kathie Ready of San Lorenzo."Wonder what made Kathie so paranoid of that particular group?
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Comment #23 posted by ekim on April 25, 2008 at 20:25:26 PT
yes hope we need everyone -- w000t t00
 Friday, April 25, 2008 http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/
Did you get carried away and shoot 50 times at an unarmed man killing him? No problem.The Sean Bell case ends up with acquittals on all charges. Apparently nobody did anything wrong.
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Tony Ryan - Thursday, April 24
Yep, MACHO Ė macho flash! As far as wars go, the dangers and urgencies come immediately after declaring them Ė and so it is with the war on drugs. If youíve been hanging out with us, you know our position on that problem expanding and eternalizing effort. You also know our proposed, simple solution. End the ďwarĒ and the violence, death, crime and disease it brought with it and begin a policy that is actually effective in dealing with the drug problem in our country. Then, these guys can go back to regular cop outfits (units and clothing) and do something effective about the other problems most people in the citizens group meetings complain about. 
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 20:24:47 PT
Sam 14
"EVERYONE has a fear in the back of their mind of being thrown in jail for something."Or even if you NEVER did anything wrong! At all! Ever! Never in your life imagined.....Mistaken identities... accidents, screw ups, bad weather, even ... and anybody can easily be thrown in jail. It happens. Not... "It happened". It happens.It's so true and has certainly been so true for a very long while. I've certainly seen the incarceration frenzy increase during my lifetime. I'm 59 going on 60.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 20:24:41 PT
The GCW
I don't remember but I forget things. He won't be posting here anymore. He stepped over the line. I am sick and he knows many of us are boomers and that was a major insult. When people want a group of people dead I don't take that very well. He needs to grow up and learn some manners. Maybe a younger forum will be better for him. Manners were an important part of my upbringing and some people don't seem to care about trying to be polite. We are in this together.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on April 25, 2008 at 20:12:12 PT
A Republic?
Outside Independence Hall when
the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
"A republic, if you can keep it."http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Benjamin.Franklin.Quote.21EA(And we've been losing it ever since... but we regain some of it from time to time.)
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Comment #19 posted by The GCW on April 25, 2008 at 18:28:16 PT
w000t311,
w000t311,You have a lot of energy, fresh energy and have a lot to contribute. You're doing good. We need You. The movement is progressing.FoM, is helping You understand some of Her perimeters. Those perimeters are even flexible. We have a wonderful thing going here and I hope You keep on posting.I think I started posting here and had lots of energy mixed with thoughts that I knew all about it mixed with anger and mixed with less knowledge of how to communicate in the better constructive ways... and FoM gave Me some perimeter lessons that have been helpful. (Do You remember those FoM?) I like to think everyone here is doing something to help the cause other than rant and project thoughts and strategies here. This is a good place to post so You can hear what You're saying and get feed back so to use somewhere else. Get Your thoughts out, accept some feedback and maybe update some of those thoughts.I think I've become a better asset right here at C-News and that wouldn't have happened if I took FoM's perimeter counseling the wrong way or disrespected Her wishes.Try to accept FoM's request with love. Try to stay with Us. I know I need Your help, We all do.The prohibitionists really need Your help, they just don't know it yet. Rebels dealling with rebels.Yeah to FoM
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Comment #18 posted by NikoKun on April 25, 2008 at 15:59:10 PT
Morons...
Are these "communities" filled with totally ignorant morons?I mean come on... How is this anything close to an excuse for depriving patients of their medicine?Besides, if it was legal, they wouldn't be seeing the problems which they claim... -_-
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Comment #17 posted by sam adams on April 25, 2008 at 15:57:31 PT
growing up
>>>I was brought up in a country where you could do whatever you wanted, become whatever you wanted, think and say whatever you wanted, up until the point where you are doing harm to others. Until you cross that line, it's a free country for every one.Woot, I didn't know you grew up in Canada! ;-)))Before you burn everything down in the revolution, just remember to leave a few of us standing who are on your side. Timothy Leary? Are you kidding, he is the one who got the original MJ prohibition overturned, forcing Nixon to pass the CSA. If Nixon hadn't been president Leary might well have ended cannabis prohibition right there.
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Comment #16 posted by Sam Adams on April 25, 2008 at 15:53:40 PT
whoa
OK, I agreed with the first two posts, I don't agree with slamming the baby boomers,In fact, I hate the characterizations of each generation as Gen X or boomers or whatever, it's silly.  Like one part of the "baby boomer" generation could stop another part from doing what it wants?  I'd rather look at the individuals who got something good done or the ones who passed a bad law. You can't paint everyone with the same brush just because they were born at a certain time.It's like the Europeans thinking that all Americans are bible-thumping warmongers. Those people have taken over for the time being, the last 7 years actually, but many of us are appalled. It would only take a shift of 2 percent to get Obama elected over McCain, and then everyone will say we're a bunch of liberals.
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Comment #15 posted by Dankhank on April 25, 2008 at 15:35:45 PT
poly sci?
Those apathetic and lazy people are called Boomersguess you're trying to piss off everybody here ...The sixties attitudes of compassion, love and tolerance still affect the society in a major way.Wt ... you need to temper you knowledge with some pragmatic thoughts ...we all gotta try to get along ...
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Comment #14 posted by Sam Adams on April 25, 2008 at 15:23:40 PT
pretty funny
I just read woot's posts and said to myself "I'm thinking the same thing!"  I guess we're both vocal representatives from the official Dept. of Cannabis Outrage.I think the explosion of HOA's in this country is VERY frightening as well. When you get to a point where half of the people in a state live in an HOA then our very freedom is at stake. I see HOAs as as a sort of end-around on civil rights. Like privatizing civil rights to remove them.Jean I think analogy of the internment of Japanese-Americans is a good one. In fact I think Cannabis prohibition is a newer, more modern vehicle for mass scapegoating & persecution.It's an ideal instrument that can be applied to anyone that needs to be scapegoated or their freedom taken away by the govt. It provides a means to demonize & punish absolutely anyone, any ethnicity, any income level, rural, urban, you name it.The goal of meddling laws on personal conduct like cannabis prohibition is to slowly and surely progress to the point where the govt has something on everyone - EVERYONE has a fear in the back of their mind of being thrown in jail for something. Then we reach a state where the population is easily manipulated by the govt. and employers. Everyone is afraid of being "outed" for something and thrown in jail. 
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Comment #13 posted by RevRayGreen on April 25, 2008 at 15:17:30 PT
in this quote
" Unfortunately, the Boomers listened too much to Leary, and tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. Way to go, Boomers."you need to substitute 'parents that produced the babys' of the 'baby boomer' generation', they were the first to be sold Anslingers bag of 'Reefer Madness'. Leary raised the conciousness of those you are blaming, Wavy Gravy comes to mind among throngs of others who are the OG activists in this fight. 
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 15:14:59 PT
w000t311 
It's time for you to find a forum that has a younger group of people. I'm sorry you hate so much. Hate only hurts the hater. I'm not well enough to let this go on.
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Comment #11 posted by w000t311 on April 25, 2008 at 15:12:48 PT:
FoM
I was brought up in a country where you could do whatever you wanted, become whatever you wanted, think and say whatever you wanted, up until the point where you are doing harm to others. Until you cross that line, it's a free country for every one. And please don't preach to me about this tolerance crap. Ok, when the revolution comes, neo-liberals and neo-conservatives alike need to be the first ones put up against the wall. There should be no tolerance for these greedy warmonger globalists who care nothing for the average American Joe or the US Constitution. You tolerate them and you allow them the opportunity to come back and even pass their warped view onto future generations. That cannot be allowed to happen if we are to hope for a better world.
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Comment #10 posted by w000t311 on April 25, 2008 at 15:04:20 PT:
dongenero, right on! 
Those apathetic and lazy people are called Boomers, who bought the "Great Society" bit hook, line, and sinker, setting our great nation on a path towards fiscal insolvency. And shame on them for not tossing pot prohibition out the window when they took power from the GI Generation, because they sure as hell knew better! They are the ones who wanted all the entitlements and have expanded them greatly, putting our great nation further into debt. There is a reason why historians call 1968 the "Great Missed Opportunity" not just here in America, but the world over. Face it: the Boomers dropped the ball. Got washed out with the great acid wave and then dove nose-first into cocaine and heroin when reality came crashing back. Pathetic is all I can say. It may sound harsh but once the Boomers are gone, that's when some real change is gonna happen. Problem is medical science keeps people living longer than they should, and that is why progress is slow in coming. They should have an age limit for politicians like they do for workers, or at the very least, real term limits like they have in other countries. Jefferson was right: every generation should have a revolution. Unfortunately, the Boomers listened too much to Leary, and tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. Way to go, Boomers.
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Comment #9 posted by dongenero on April 25, 2008 at 14:34:14 PT
It's not about the majority
To the President of the San Lorenzo Village Homes Association, whose immense power has obviously corrupted him. The majority is why we have a constitutional republic.Our founding fathers knew that the majority can be, and usually will be, a bunch of oppressive knuckleheads.A constitutional republic protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority.This affords our supposed unalienable INDIVIDUAL rights....such as the right to one's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.At least that is how it was intended to work before apathetic and lazy people decided they wanted a nanny government and slowly gave up those rights.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 14:22:25 PT
w000t311
Looking to the past and being angry with it won't change anything. We need to look forward and become part of the solution not part of the problem. We don't have the right to do whatever we want to do whenever we want because that infringes on other people's rights and dreams. We are a country full of people that don't necessarily think the same and we need to be tolerant of others like we want people to be tolerant of us I believe.
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Comment #7 posted by w000t311 on April 25, 2008 at 14:14:58 PT:
Fom
How? I just started posting recently, but I've been coming to this site for almost a year to get my info on our movement, as both NORML.org and MPP.org seemed lacking. As for the bad attitude, I don't see it as a bad thing holding people accountable for their hypocrisies. Perhaps I lack tact, but you can't be afraid to call something out for what it is. Maybe I am a bit pessimistic on account of my youth, but I also have a degree in political science and history so maybe that has a lot to do with it too. *shrugs*
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 13:13:25 PT
w000t311 
Why do you post on CNews? You have a really bad attitude. I don't appreciate it at all. You are new here but you act like you have been a part of this site before.
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on April 25, 2008 at 13:10:11 PT
Jean
Welcome to CNews and I totally understand what you are saying. 
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Comment #4 posted by w000t311 on April 25, 2008 at 12:55:18 PT:
On Home Associations
These are usually fascist organizations which try to squelch any kind of individualism in a neighborhood in order to preserve property values. Ok, it's one thing to tell a family to please remove the car on cinder blocks from the front yard, but it certainly is another to threaten fines because a family decides to paint their house a different color than their neighbors. That is killing individual creativity, and therefore fascist. Damn Home Associations, and Homeowners Associations too! (they're the same thing, no?)
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Comment #3 posted by Jean Hanamoto on April 25, 2008 at 12:48:48 PT:
One club in Mendocino County - cruel closings
The people who support Measure B in Mendocino County on the June ballot mistakenly think that marijuana users and growers are all the same. We all have huge plants. We all have vicious dogs. We all have guns. We all make obscene amounts of money. Anyone growing could not possibly have also worked hard all their lives to get their homes or cars - they must be illegally gotten gains. This is insulting and wrong.In 1942, the Japanese-Americans were thought of in the same way. All Japanese were plotting against the government. All Japanese were evil. All Japanese were carted off to internment camps where they "belonged". This is why my husband was taken to Utah as a dangerous seven-year-old to be locked away for three years in the desert. This is the same kind of thinking going on right now in Mendocino County. Lock 'em up! That'll fix everything.Because someone has an awful neighbor that makes their lives miserable by growing pot doesn't mean they should try to bring down everyone associated with marijuana. Not satisfied with working with law enforcement to rid their neighborhoods of these rotten apples, they apparently think that they are medical experts and can dictate who needs what medicine, and how much. They don't care that personal-use growers would not be able to grow a single plant. They want to roll back the laws to make thousands of our friends and neighbors into criminals. Already, patient's access has been cut to a single distribution center in our county, and half are not allowed to grow even in their own backyards. How can this be right when there are sick people all over the county that need this herb as medicine? This is just cruel! Senator Barney Frank is introducing a bill to legalize marijuana at the Federal level. This is the answer to many of Northern California's problems. Marijuana for personal use would be legal in all 50 states, and so Mendocino and surrounding counties would no longer be responsible for much of the nation's harvest. The price of marijuana will drop and profits will plunge. The huge for-profit growers will get out of our neighborhoods and forests. This is the only way to fix our problems without putting half of our population in jail. We cannot afford this vendetta against a plant.
Marijuana Art
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Comment #2 posted by w000t311 on April 25, 2008 at 12:44:37 PT:
When did we stop caring about the individual?
"We don't want these clubs in our community," said Wulf Bieschke, president of the San Lorenzo Village Homes Association. "They benefit the minority, but affect the lives of the majority."Interesting. Last I checked we lived in a society that champions the rights of the individual, not the collective. If one person in a community is suffering intolerably, and marijuana is their only recourse, the community should be the one to yield. That is preservation of the individual, one of the most important tenets of Western society. You want to think about the majority, the collective, Mr. Bieschke, move to Communist China and see how great it is. Douchebag. 
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Comment #1 posted by mykeyb420 on April 25, 2008 at 11:29:37 PT
give me a break
"My constituents would like to see the permits reduced to two," said Supervisor Alice Lai-Bitker, one of five members of the Board of Supervisors. I bet ya a dollar to a donut that the " constituents " who want the permits reduced are actually the OTHER clubs in the area,,who want in on the action of the " club in question"We have the SAME issue in SF. The smaller clubs, with lower prices,,are being forced out by the bigger clubs with exhorbinant prices on the EXACT SAME MEDICINE. The ones who suffer are the sick and dying patients that are forced to buy overpriced pot. My favorite club on Church street was shut down by the DEA. They were the ONLY club that gave out free cannabis. Now-a-days, only the privledged few get free cannabis,,if they have the right hook-ups
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