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  GOP Moves To Halt Money for Woodstock 

Posted by CN Staff on October 18, 2007 at 14:04:58 PT
By Andrew Taylor & Devlin Barrett, AP Writers 
Source: Associated Press 

Washington, DC -- Hippies used to say if you remember Woodstock, you weren‘t really there. Republicans say presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton can forget about getting $1 million in taxpayer funds for a Woodstock museum. "Woodstock Museum is a shining example of what‘s wrong with Washington on pork-barrel, out-of-control spending," said John McCain, Arizona senator and Republican presidential hopeful. An example, he said, of "the earmark pork-barrel spending which has made the American people disenchanted and angry."
Five Democrats voted against the Woodstock provision. So did old-school GOP members of the Appropriations Committee who had on prior occasions voted against conservative criticism of senators‘ earmarks. It‘s the type of parochial project that‘s easy to make fun of. Conservatives call it a hippie museum and a taxpayer-funded LSD flashback. The open-air gathering attracted hundreds of thousands, became a defining moment of 1960s youth rebellion and shut down the New York State Thruway. It is part of a larger development called the Bethel Woods Center for the Performing Arts with a 16,800-seat amphitheater. The development was opened in 2006. Gerry is a longtime major political donor. The contributions — $20,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $9,200 to Clinton‘s presidential campaign — came just days after the earmark was inserted into the legislation. While Clinton and Schumer jointly took credit for the earmark, Schumer was the driving force behind it. The underlying health and education bill is a target-rich measure for earmark critics since it contains more than 1,000 earmarks totaling $562 million, according to Taxpayers for Common sense, a budget watchdog group. Liberal activists, meanwhile, protested a $100,000 earmark by Sen. David Vitter, R-La., to the Louisiana Family Forum, a conservative group that was to use the funds "to develop a plan to promote better science education." On the Net: Bethel Woods Center for the Performing Arts: http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/About/ Source: Associated Press (Wire)Author: Andrew Taylor and Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writers Published: October 18, 2007Copyright: 2007 Associated Press Related Articles & Web Site:WoodStock 69http://www.woodstock69.com/The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread23277.shtmlThree Days of Peace and Musichttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22069.shtmlSpirit of Cooperation at The '69 Festival http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22062.shtml

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Comment #128 posted by whig on October 22, 2007 at 19:01:48 PT

aolbites
Secession is tricky business, and probably not the best solution.
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Comment #127 posted by whig on October 22, 2007 at 19:00:43 PT

greenmed
Me too. I actually enjoy discussing constitutional law/theory. Call it a hobby of mine. :)
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Comment #126 posted by greenmed on October 22, 2007 at 14:31:18 PT

whig
I just wanted to drop in to say how much I enjoyed our discussion yesterday. It is good for me to shake loose the cobwebs once in a while. :)
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Comment #125 posted by whig on October 22, 2007 at 10:23:39 PT

Had Enough
The Message you posted is really good, and good advice. We should never be scared to do what we should do, even if we think it won't work, because it might work, it can work, but not if we don't try.
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Comment #124 posted by FoM on October 22, 2007 at 07:06:38 PT

Off Topic: Wireless Internet
Does anyone know anything about Alltel Wireless Internet or Verizon Wireless Internet? At Alltel they say we can get coverage where we live but I don't know anything about these services. Thanks for any help.
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Comment #123 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2007 at 06:47:03 PT

Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K7T0ASrec

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Comment #122 posted by FoM on October 22, 2007 at 06:46:16 PT

Hope
Thank you. It seems Youtube just stops for me about 30 seconds into the video and it can't get any further then that now. Neil's links don't work that way so even though I let it load when I try to play it again it buffers. 
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Comment #121 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2007 at 06:26:11 PT

Same girl - different tune
Neil Young Cover - My My, Hey Hey (Out of the Blue)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI66iheRBj8&mode=related&search=When I see todays youth conducting themselves like this, I see hope for the new world…

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Comment #120 posted by aolbites on October 21, 2007 at 22:27:02 PT

whig
"To prohibit the state from exercising state authority, however, would be to expel the state from the locality, to effectively secede from the state."well, in recent news.."VermontThe town of Killington, Vermont has twice voted (March 2004 and March 2005) to secede from Vermont and become part of the state of New Hampshire. Because the town is not adjacent to the New Hampshire border,"its a bit more difficult than you imply... they seem to call in the militia and shut down any serious dissension:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_secession_proposals
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Comment #119 posted by Hope on October 21, 2007 at 22:16:04 PT

Once it's loaded...
You can hit replay as often as you wish and it plays smoothly.
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Comment #118 posted by Hope on October 21, 2007 at 22:14:56 PT

Buffering and slow downloads
I always turn the speakers off, then check back and when it's fully loaded, I hit replay and it plays right through.It's unbearable having the speakers on when it's loading and buffering and all.
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Comment #117 posted by Hope on October 21, 2007 at 22:12:07 PT

Comment 107 Had Enough
Had Enough, Thank you.That's just wonderful.
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Comment #116 posted by aolbites on October 21, 2007 at 22:10:01 PT

FoM
You can hit pause on the video on youtube after you hit play, let it buffer to the end[the red bar], then hit play and it can play all the way through.
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 21:11:50 PT

Dankhank
I think BB was written about Neil's Mother. I've heard it before at Farm Aid and it is very pretty. I wish the tour was coming our way but it isn't. Pegi starts out the concert and then Neil comes on after Pegi I read. That is so sweet.
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Comment #114 posted by Dankhank on October 21, 2007 at 21:00:56 PT

just listened
to Beautiful Bluebird, nice ...
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Comment #113 posted by dankhank on October 21, 2007 at 20:51:51 PT

Had Enough
just watched it, have bookmarked it and will visit it some more ...a beautiful song sung by a beautiful young lady with a beautiful voice ...why would any erect obstacles to her or any's quality of life?How can humans be so unkind ...thanx for the link
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 20:34:03 PT

One More Comment
I am listening thru the buffering to Shining Light and I really like it. I probably will wear this CD out too. 
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Comment #111 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 20:23:29 PT

Had Enough and Anyone Interested
I tried to listen to the video you posted but it just won't load but I have a link to all the new songs on Neil's new CD Chrome Dreams II if you or anyone can and wants to listen to it. Amazon shipped my copy today so I will get to hear it in not to many days. Enjoy.http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/192087
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Comment #110 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 20:11:58 PT

greenmed
Not only am I convinced we will win, I am convinced we already have won. So many people now know the truth that it cannot be concealed, even if the entire internet disappeared. Which I surely hope and expect not to happen, until or unless it evolves into something else again.
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Comment #109 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 19:45:07 PT

quotation
I will not believe our labors are lost. I shall not die without a hope that light and liberty are on steady advance.Thomas Jefferson
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Comment #108 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 19:21:23 PT

whig
I liked this comment from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (same ASA link as below):We agree with Raich that medical and conventional wisdom that recognizes the use of marijuana for medical purposes is gaining traction in the law as well. But that legal recognition has not yet reached the point where a conclusion can be drawn that the right to use medical marijuana is 'fundamental' and 'implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.'The court continued:For now, federal law is blind to the wisdom of a future day when the right to use medical marijuana to alleviate excruciating pain may be deemed fundamental. Although that day has not yet dawned, considering that during the last ten years eleven states have legalized the use of medical marijuana, that day may be upon us sooner than expected.Absolutely. But that day should have arrived by now. For those of us who are not blind to the relief Cannabis offers, it has already.We'll never give up.
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Comment #107 posted by Had Enough on October 21, 2007 at 18:56:45 PT

How Can People Get So Unkind
Re: dankhank #94Check out this young girl here, singing Neil’s’ tune. I’m sure you will like…Neil Young cover - Human Highwayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANIERLsVVK8

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Comment #106 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 18:53:05 PT

greenmed
You're right, but Angel Raich did not raise a constitutional objection. She made an as applied challenge to the CSA.
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Comment #105 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 18:22:49 PT

whig
The feds still have the right to prosecute medical Cannabis users and providers under the CSA due to the bogus application of the Interstate Commerce Clause. So, although Alberto Gonzales v. Angel Raich does not invalidate SB420, the feds still have the right-to-raid. For them SB420 might as well not exist.http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?list=type&type=34I would welcome a ruling making the federal raids unconstitutional. That's up to the courts, though, and we're still waiting on that one. I do agree such intervention is not in the spirit of the Constitution (despite the Supremacy Clause).
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Comment #104 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 17:04:49 PT

greenmed
It is feasible to have a degree of home rule, but it is not feasible to allow a local government to exercise supremacy over a state government. What it can do is exercise its local authority in whatever way the local community wants. To prohibit the state from exercising state authority, however, would be to expel the state from the locality, to effectively secede from the state.
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Comment #103 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 16:57:37 PT

Moreover
The ninth circuit has found no conflict between federal law and California's proposition 215 and SB420.
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Comment #102 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 16:55:30 PT

greenmed
The problem comes in two parts,one, unconstitutional federal prohibitions are being imposedtwo, reserved state powers are not being respectedUnder those circumstances, there is no federal law to supersede state law.
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Comment #101 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 16:49:11 PT

greenmed
Unconstitutional federal laws cannot trump anything.
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Comment #100 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 16:16:40 PT

whig comment #96
I don't know, whig. Perhaps we have a difference in interpretation. My reading of the Supremacy Clause is that Federal law supersedes any state or local law that conflicts with it. That is a throttle on local freedom, and the perceived basis of legitimacy of the DEA's raiding state-approved Cannabis dispensaries.As for amending the Supremacy Clause, there is so much potential for negative fall-out by tinkering; it should stand. But it speaks to laws, not freedoms. It is on the local and state levels that the freedom of new ideas can be explored. Is it feasible to have a framework where local laws supporting and extending freedom may not be overridden by state law, and where state laws supporting and extending freedom may not be overridden by federal law?
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 15:15:28 PT

whig
That's right. Do as I say not as I do has never worked.
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Comment #98 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 15:09:18 PT

Let who is without sin
cast the first stone.
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Comment #97 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 15:07:18 PT

FoM
Nowhere in the bible does God say sex is bad. He says go forth and be fruitful and multiply.
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Comment #96 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 15:05:04 PT

greenmed
I see nothing at all wrong with the Supremacy clause if you read it correctly: This Constitution and Laws PURSUANT are supreme to the state Constitutions and Laws CONTRARY.How would you propose to amend that?
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 14:49:18 PT

Dankhank
Once again I understand what you are saying. Sex is a natural part of life and they get so hung up on it that it really seems pathetic to me. They can't control this subject either. Sex isn't just for a certain group of people but for everyone in the whole world.
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Comment #94 posted by dankhank on October 21, 2007 at 14:38:17 PT

free exercise of the libido
Red States champion family values and also have higher rates of divorce, teen pregnancy ...It's another version of prohibition ... prohibition from the free exercise of the libido.there's an infinite supply of that ...look at the examples we see every day ...Extreme Arab societies "burkha" their females, hide them away from society, and throw the boys out on the streets, I guess, where they huddle and firm up a worldview that likely lacks any sort of morally uplifting thoughts about girls. A raped muslim woman is stoned to death... for being careless, I guess.terrorists find the ones with no hope and I believe a few thought that at least they'd get laid in heaven.Devout mormons wear some kinda body suit designed to obscure the finer details of the anatomy. Conservative folks of all stripes say the want a moral society and we see that the loudest ones are the ones we read about in the news, backsliding.It's prohibition of it's own, this whole sex thing ...and conservatives have decided to make the whole thing as painful a process as possible.just don't do it ... they say ...yea, right ...
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Comment #93 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 14:10:55 PT

whig
One change I would like to see modified in some way is the Supremacy Clause:This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.Doing away with it completely would essentially nullify Roe vs Wade, but would also allow states to experiment with more freedom, as local diversity warrants.There's my dilemma. Perhaps it is time for another Constitutional Convention. However, I am highly suspect of that, considering the current highly polarized political environment. The beauty of the Constitution is its brevity and simplicity. I would not want that to change.
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 13:43:17 PT

Dankhank
I agree with you. It's really scary when you think about it at least it is to me.
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Comment #91 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 13:24:17 PT

greenmed
Your points are why we have a constitution, that is what is supposed to restrain the government, but the government does not take the constitution seriously and neither do many of the American people. It is not perfect, it needs some additional amendments, among which are equal rights for women, and maybe others.If we read the constitution we see that we have the right to use cannabis. We don't see anything which gives them the power to prohibit our use of sacrament.
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 13:12:34 PT

greenmed
I agree with what you wrote. We have Federal Laws because of abuses by bad people running some states. We can't trust each state to be fair when somethings are concerned. I believe we should have state's right to experiment but it is an experiment that might or might not work.You said: At the same time, the states should be able to extend rights and freedoms further without interference from the feds.
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Comment #89 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 13:04:06 PT

whig
Yes, but at times, we the people have decided that humans can be bought and sold as chattel, should ride at the back of the bus, be targeted for their national origin, choice of religion, of preferred recreational substance, and on and on...There must be (and some may disagree) guaranteed rights and protections for those who go against the We who are in the majority on any issue. Rights should be protected from the whims of the numerical majority. These rights, it seems to me, must be provided by an overarching authority. A fundamental level of security (whether social, financial or personal) must be provided by the federal government. I would place universal health care in this group. States should not put limits on those guarantees.At the same time, the states should be able to extend rights and freedoms further without interference from the feds. The nation was founded in Freedom. We the People should have the greater of Freedom, whether set out by municipal, county, state or federal limit, whichever the least constricting.
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Comment #88 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 12:29:16 PT

greenmed
The original power flow of the constitution is based in its first three words.
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Comment #87 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 12:18:23 PT

What Is America Anymore?
I ask that because it is going so very wrong. I talked with a friend whose children went thru the DARE program. When my son was in school there was no such program. I asked her what emotions she felt when she thinks of the Dare program. She said fear and a way for her children to use it against them if they wanted. Wasn't there a country that did that at one time too?
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Comment #86 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 12:15:27 PT

dankhank
I understand what you're saying. Yes, I believe without Roe vs Wade holding precedence over state law, some states would attempt to outlaw a woman's right to govern her own body. That would be a tragic major step backward, as whig points out - more deaths.In California, with a progressive medical Cannabis law, "states' rights" works to a better purpose.With our system of government, power will flow up from the people, through municipal, county and state bodies, as well as down from the federal branches. Can the two power flows be reconciled?I'm going to think about this question, and may post some thoughts on it if I come up with anything.
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Comment #85 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 12:07:27 PT

Dankhank
You know there was a large study done recently that countries which prohibit abortion do not have lower abortion rates -- just more fatalities of women who had to resort to unsafe abortions.
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Comment #84 posted by dankhank on October 21, 2007 at 11:39:34 PT

I wish it were so ...
I wish it were so ... we could look to our politicians to protect us from harm, legal, fiscal, emotional, but we can't.Most states would likely try to end abortion if Row vs Wade was invalidated. I feel that is true.the deck is stacked in their favor, they stacked it ...no condoms, no birth control, no planned parenthood, no RU-486, no IUDs just say no ... or suffer the consequences.It's particularly egregious regarding children ... Many adults have trouble saying no, yet we expect children to be stronger than adults ... In the meantime, virtually everything marketed to children flogs romantic relationships, scanty clothing, sexual behavior, implied or actual.I think Disney is among the worst ...Let SD pass it's own laws regarding abortion and we're back to coat-hanger medicine.Ending Roe vs Wade will open up a can of worms no one will be able to cleanup ...
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Comment #83 posted by aolbites on October 21, 2007 at 11:35:30 PT

Freedom by Ron Paul
You guys outta read this:
Ron Paul on the police state
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr062702.htm-=snip=-One of the most onerous controls placed on American citizens is the control of speech through politically correct legislation. Derogatory remarks or off-color jokes are justification for firings, demotions, and the destruction of political careers. The movement toward designating penalties based on the category to which victims belong, rather the nature of the crime itself, has the thought police patrolling the airways and byways. Establishing relative rights and special penalties for subjective motivation is a dangerous trend.All our financial activities are subject to "legal" searches without warrants and without probable cause. Tax collection, drug usage, and possible terrorist activities "justify" the endless accumulation of information on all Americans.Government control of medicine has prompted the establishment of the National Medical Data Bank. For efficiency reasons, it is said, the government keeps our medical records for our benefit. This, of course, is done with vague and useless promises that this information will always remain confidential- just like all the FBI information in the past!Personal privacy, the sine qua non of liberty, no longer exists in the United States. Ruthless and abusive use of all this information accumulated by the government is yet to come. The Patriot Act has given unbelievable power to listen, read, and monitor all our transactions without a search warrant being issued after affirmation of probably cause. "Sneak and peak" and blanket searches are now becoming more frequent every day. What have we allowed to happen to the 4th amendment?-=snip=-and:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin_True_Patriot_Actand on medical freedom/privacy:
http://www.aapsonline.org/legis/hr1699paul.htm-=snip=-"Allowing government officials to access a private person's medical records without a warrant is a violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which protects American citizens from warrantless searches by government officials. The requirement that law enforcement officials obtain a warrant from a judge before searching private documents is one of the fundamental protections against abuse of the government's power to seize an individual's private documents. While the Fourth Amendment has been interpreted to allow warrantless searches in emergency situations, it is hard to conceive of a situation where law enforcement officials would be unable to obtain a warrant before electronic medical records would be destroyed."Mr. Speaker, these regulations also require health care providers to give medical records to the federal government for inclusion in a federal health care data system. Such a system would contain all citizens' personal health care information, accessible to anyone who knows the individual's "unique health identifier." History shows that when the government collects this type of personal information, the inevitable result is the abuse of citizens' privacy and liberty by unscrupulous government officials. The only fail-safe privacy protection is for the government not to collect and store this type of personal information. -=snip=-Protecting Health Freedom by Ron Paulhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul400.html-=snip=-The Health Freedom Protection Act will force the FDA to at last comply with the commands of Congress, the First Amendment, and the American people by codifying the First Amendment standards adopted by the federal courts. Specifically, the Health Freedom Protection Act stops the FDA from censoring truthful claims about the curative, mitigative, or preventative effects of dietary supplements, and adopts the federal court's suggested use of disclaimers as an alternative to censorship. The Health Freedom Protection Act also stops the FDA from prohibiting the distribution of scientific articles and publications regarding the role of nutrients in protecting against disease.-=snip=-
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Comment #82 posted by greenmed on October 21, 2007 at 11:08:52 PT

Dankhank & whig
I'm right there wih you both on that. There's power in words. "States Rights" gives me a bad reflex action. "Powers Reserved to the States" is more palatable (and meaningful too, IMHO).
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Comment #81 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 10:53:49 PT

Dankhank
Thank you for pointing that out. State's Rights was always the refrain of the Racists. I don't want to identify with that. There are Reserved Powers which the states have under the tenth amendment. And there are Retained Rights which we the people still and always hold.
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Comment #80 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 10:48:28 PT

Why?
Republicans always want to climb into our bedrooms and tell us what we can and cannot do.
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Comment #79 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 10:42:53 PT

Republicans
It seems Republicans detest the fourth amendment, though.
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Comment #78 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 10:38:56 PT

aolbites
No, Ron Paul is wrong. The fourth amendment explicitly protects bodily privacy.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 10:05:30 PT

Dankhank
I agree. I have been all around the USA all but the extreme north west and have seen it with my own eyes. 
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Comment #76 posted by dankhank on October 21, 2007 at 09:58:59 PT

states rights ...
are frequently used to oppress people ...I need not list the obvious miscreants ...We all know who they likely are ...a vast majority of legislators are male.we can't all move to where we will be SAFER ...We have to rely on the sanity of our state politicians ...We know how THAT is going ...
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on October 21, 2007 at 09:34:58 PT

aolbites 
I really am sorry that I can't be more understanding because I wouldn't trust some states to be fair because some states are very repressive when it comes to about everything.
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Comment #74 posted by aolbites on October 21, 2007 at 09:28:27 PT

Abortion and the constitution
What ron paul is saying makes sense if you think carefully about it, the Federal government should have no say whatsoever in this matter, as it is not among the designated powers of the federal government... This matter Should be left to the states to decide - If you truly believe that every state in the union will somehow immediately pass anti abortion laws that will stand up to their constitutions, as well as the federal constitution and bill of rights in a court of law...well, thats pretty damm unlikely if you ask me, because like its been pointed out, Half the population of Each of these United States is female, and I betcha that very few state laws attempting this would pass .. be realistic here, freedom Means freedom, not the feds holding their morality over 300million+ people, let the populations of each state decide as they see fit ... and fight those battles in the State courts system.
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Comment #73 posted by whig on October 21, 2007 at 00:09:20 PT

Dankhank
It's worth mentioning most rapes are never reported.
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Comment #72 posted by Dankhank on October 20, 2007 at 23:50:22 PT

Whig
good point ... as I am ...I personally am in favor of all help in preventing unwanted pregnancies and disease, knowing that this would drastically cut the number of terminations and illnesses.seems so obvious ...tell 'em just say no, too ...
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Comment #71 posted by whig on October 20, 2007 at 23:03:56 PT

Dankhank
It's not only women who are pro-choice.
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Comment #70 posted by dankhank on October 20, 2007 at 22:13:19 PT

Pro Choice ...
Mayan, et al consider a numbers game for a minute ...Half of America is female ... 150,000,000 or so?Numbers of illegal-substance users ... 40, 60, million?Pro-choice would seem to win, hands-down, more attention.I sympathize with Ron and his dilemma, and wouldn't have wanted to be there, either.This is all due to the shotgun approach to "morality" and "family values."No, you can't have birth control devices, In SD we don't even want to do an abortion to save your life, just say no to sex, those in Africa shouldn't get condoms to protect from AIDS, just say no, you shouldn't even get an HPV shot to protect from some Cancers, just say no, no morning-after pill, just say no, basically, just say no or go on ahead and frakin' die.t 
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Comment #69 posted by whig on October 20, 2007 at 11:37:32 PT

mayan
I consider Hillary Clinton a Republican. I'm not voting for Republicans.
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on October 20, 2007 at 07:42:01 PT

Hope 
I understand where you are coming from. I want to see change and that's why I like the Democrats. Clinton is the only one I don't like.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on October 20, 2007 at 07:34:43 PT

Cynicism ?
Yep. I've got it bad.
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on October 20, 2007 at 07:32:57 PT

Poisened Political Baloney Sandwiches
The whole menu looks like bologna. Ultimately, we'll all have to decide and have to order one with what we think we want on it. But we'll all get the same one when we're finally "served". I dread it.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on October 20, 2007 at 07:31:16 PT

Hope
When a President uses his own personal belief on a delicate issue like abortion what else will he want to change because it isn't right for him? That is what they do on the right. That's acting like a religious zealot and that scares me. 
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on October 20, 2007 at 07:26:10 PT

Loggerheads  :0)
I appreciate you, FoM, and you, too, Mayan.It's a hard deal. I appreciate that both of you are sure of your positions on the matter of candidates and I respect you both for that.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on October 20, 2007 at 07:20:54 PT

The abortion deal
It was a rough situation how Ron Paul came to be the way he is about abortion. It came from an experience he had and it adjusted his attitude to the way he is now. He saw a live baby being left to die in a bucket. He had to assist on an abortion and that's what he saw that made him that way. It tore him up bad and I can't blame him. He's kind of like a soldier that despises war.We'd like to think we can do things without emotions pulling us either way. I'm kind of glad that he's got those sorts of emotions in those sorts of matters or he'd be a cold guy, indeed. Intellect without emotion has it's place in making hard decisions, but the heart speaks to some of us so forcefully sometimes, especially after personal experience, that sometimes it just won't be ignored.I understand what you feel about it, FoM and I can understand his feelings, too.
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on October 20, 2007 at 07:12:47 PT

mayan
I will be happy as long as we get the Democrats in control so we can get rid of the religious right making decisions for us. They are the ones who won't budge on medical marijuana so why would I give them the time of day? Maybe then the RP will fix itself in time. I will vote and not for Clinton so I will try to keep her from winning but I am just one voter and can't do more then that.
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Comment #61 posted by mayan on October 20, 2007 at 07:09:04 PT

Sorry
Hope you're happy with Hillary.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on October 20, 2007 at 07:05:19 PT

mayan
The right to have control over our own body is more important then anything Ron Paul says about how he he wants our country to be. It is an insult to the maturity of women. Women can make up their own mind over this difficult issue. What else would he want to control if he can't leave women to decide? Changing Roe vs. Wade would take us back to the dark ages before the law was changed. I am a woman and this matters. Will we need to ride in the back of the bus then too?PS: I am not for abortion but I am Pro Choice.
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Comment #59 posted by mayan on October 20, 2007 at 06:59:40 PT

FoM
Would you say that the right to have an abortion is more important than the right to pursue happiness in a habitable country? Ours is on it's death bed in case you haven't noticed. The supremes are now more likely to overturn Roe v. Wade than congress as they don't have to be accountable to voters. Like his stance or not, Ron Paul has had the same for years. The only position he's changed is on the death penalty. He's now against capital punishment since some on "death row" have been found innocent. If we get Hillary then every pregnant woman might as well have an abortion rather than subject their child to a life in hell. I'd much rather see Roe v. Wade overturned (which won't happen in congress) than see our country destroyed, which is what Hillary's job will be.  
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on October 20, 2007 at 06:24:19 PT

Mayan
I don't want a right wing religious person as President after having Bush. Excerpt: But Paul also wants to ban abortion, proposing to overturn the landmark Roe versus Wade court ruling by legally removing jurisdiction over the issue from the federal courts. “That should be our goal… to repeal Roe versus Wade,’’ Paul told an assembly of religious right voters in Washington today. “There is a couple ways that can be done… “We can wait until we have our Supreme Court justices appointed... That’s taking a long time,’’ Paul said. “My approach is a little bit more direct… accepting the principle that we can as a legislative body and the president… remove the jurisdiction of this issue from the federal courts.’’http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/ron_paul_take_abortion_out_of.html
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Comment #57 posted by mayan on October 20, 2007 at 04:14:17 PT

Clarification
When I say Ron Paul has the support of our military I mean our enlisted men and women, not the terrorists at the Pentagon.
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Comment #56 posted by mayan on October 20, 2007 at 04:11:22 PT

Competent Hillary = More War
The last two presidential elections have been stolen and there's no reason to believe the next will be different. Hillary has the support of the defense (offense) industry and that makes her a shoe-in to win another rigged election as long as there is another John Kerry (Rudy,Fred?) to lay quietly down. She will advance the PNAC agenda at all costs. I would drink piss before I would even consider voting for her.Ron Paul has the support of our military and their families because they don't want any more war. He is also the only candidate that can draw signifigant support from across the entire political spectrum. The republican party itself and the mainstream media despise him and are terrified of him - bonus points in my book! Besides that, he has by far the most impeccable voting record in congress when it comes to upholding the principles of Our Constitution. We can let the media decide that we will have Hillary or we can decide that we will have Ron. The fascists are trying to hide an elephant (Ron Paul) under the rug but that just isn't going to happen! Just my two cents.
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Comment #55 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 23:17:07 PT

I've noticed
A lot of Republicans like Hillary Clinton, and don't like John Edwards. I think he's more liberal, is why.
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Comment #54 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 23:05:30 PT

FoM
I do hope Ron Paul wins the Republican primary, not Rudy, but if Rudy wins the primary then he's running for president of 9/11.
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Comment #53 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 23:01:42 PT

Taylor121
Can you say why you don't like Edwards? Is it just a feeling you have or something specific?
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Comment #52 posted by Taylor121 on October 19, 2007 at 22:22:09 PT

I don't like Edwards
I don't mind Obama that much. Hillary makes me uneasy on some of her positions, but she seems competent. 
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 19:13:32 PT

whig
I was agreeing about Clinton. Edwards can win. Obama can win. Rudy will probably win for the Republicans I think. Romney is what I call dingy. Rudy is just mean so he pleases the base in the Republican Party in my opinion.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 19:10:40 PT

whig
I agree. 
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Comment #49 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 19:06:45 PT

mayan
So much for Hillary Clinton, you mean. I don't think that John Edwards wants to start wars, for instance. Nor Dennis Kucinich, but I don't think he's likely to win the nomination.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 19:03:59 PT

mayan
I am not voting for Clinton in the Primaries and I don't believe many people will. Her popularity is with registered Democrats not people who will be voting that haven't been Democrats. There is way too much dislike of her for her to win. If she wins though she will be the next president so as long as people get out and vote it might not happen. 
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Comment #47 posted by mayan on October 19, 2007 at 17:20:32 PT

Taylor121
"We do agree on legalizing marijuana for adults, and we agree that a Democrat would be better for America than a Republican." If you think more war would be better for America. Hillary is taking more money from the defense industry than ANY republican. That means more perpetual war if we get her. So much for democrats.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 16:45:02 PT

Taylor121
I know that we have serious issues like health care for all of us not just children. What good are healthy children if their parents die from a treatable disease? I'm sure Woodstock will get the money it needs from the people who made it in music and can credit some of that success from being at Woodstock.Maybe the artists will put on a benefit concert to help raise the funds to complete Woodstock. I'd love to go to something like that if I lived back east.
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Comment #45 posted by Taylor121 on October 19, 2007 at 16:33:02 PT

FoM
"I usually am disagreeing with you but I want you to know that I think you are a good person. We just live on different planets and that's ok."We do agree on legalizing marijuana for adults, and we agree that a Democrat would be better for America than a Republican. The museum would be a great thing to have if we weren't so strapped for cash. Since funding is limited, that funding should be put in programs that give the most bang for the buck. I have a hard time funding woodstock museums whenever we have children without health insurance (the list goes on). I know the museum is cheap in comparison, but many of the similar programs that are like this are wasteful. Human suffering is universally wrong (no matter what planet you are on), something that most of us agree we should try to minimize the quantity of. It is in that spirit that I believe given our limited resources, our money should spent on more important projects, and even more important liberal arts projects than a woodstock museum. " I became a different person because of what I saw happening when Woodstock happened and I saw it on tv on the news. So it was personal for me and others I met felt the same way too."I don't want to take that experience away from you or anyone else out there. The issue is spending public funding on a museum that may have touched some lives, but is unnecessary and quite frankly something we can't afford. I see no one here dealing with the fiscal side of this which is unfortunately a sober reality.

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Comment #44 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 15:39:36 PT

whig
http://www.wavygravy.net/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavy_GravyQuotes:"The 90's are the 60's standing on their head." "What we have in mind is breakfast in bed for 400,000!" (the introduction of granola at Woodstock — an urgent fix for a desperate situation) "We must be in Heaven, man!" (from his Woodstock address) "There's always a little bit of Heaven in a disaster area." (from his Woodstock address)
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 15:34:30 PT

whig
You would recognize him if you saw him I think. If I remember correctly was a friend of Einstein. Something about New Jersey. If I'm wrong I hope I am corrected. I remember WG saying breakfast in bed for 500,000 people on the movie Woodstock. If you haven't seen the movie Woodstock you should rent it and watch it. I think you'll understand where people were coming from a little better after viewing it.
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Comment #42 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 15:05:26 PT

FoM
I think Wavy Gravy does live in Berkeley, yes. But I don't think I'd actually recognize him if I saw him. LOL.
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 14:43:42 PT

Truth
You were lucky. I never was exposed to them and only knew a few songs that I heard on the radio. I liked Jerry Garcia. He seemed nice. I liked his comment on the movie of Woodstock. 
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Comment #40 posted by Truth on October 19, 2007 at 14:32:20 PT

G. D.
Nothing has come close to providing me as much pleasure as experiencing a good Grateful Dead show. Jerry, with a J, brought more joy to more faces then anyone I have ever seen.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 13:52:29 PT

museman
You yell and I'll smile and they both help. I can't change the world but I hope I can help make someones life a little more peaceful. You know peace in the middle of the storm type thing. I'll tell you how I got this way. My son loved to smile and be kind and help people. Even as he wasted away he never lost his love for people and he never lost his beautiful smile right up until his death. That's why I smile because his only wish for me right before he died was for me to be happy.
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Comment #38 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 13:39:52 PT

FoM
"We see sorrow and pain and the one thing people who are suffering need to see is honest happiness and I mean in the simple things of life."That may be 'one' of the things that need to be seen by those who suffer, but as I share that condition more often than not, I'd rather see the ones whose actions, inactions, denials, and sheer arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity got us into this mess in the first place get cast down from their false thrones, so that 'equal opportunity' as a fact of life and not just mere lip-service to address civil disobedience becomes a viable alternative to the current forced and imposed conditions of the status quo and their little dreams of earth conquest.Which is why an effective 'movement' amongst the people must include varying perspective. I may be standing by the door yelling fire -and that is taking most of my energy, but someone has got to go in there -with more patience than I have- and explain the meaning of fire to these people. If you can do that with a smile, and a comforting touch, I'll try real hard not to yell at those you are assisting -if I get a heads up. In the meantime, It's my job -contracted between me and the Greatr Spirit- to yell fire. Realize that there are many parts to play, and we must learn to distinguish between constructive and destructive angst- so that we do not make war on each other. I support your prespective FoM, by my very refusal to surrender to one-sided scenarios. I would love to be happy, know days of unlimited joy. While it is true that each of us has a certain amount of self-determination, we are inexorably bound to the whims and choices of the blind majority whether we like it or not. There is a thousand-pound gorilla occupying my front yard, sh__tting, trashing, and in general messing up my reality. I just cannot turn my back, pretend it's not there, and proclaim my sovereign 'happiness' by trying to work around it. My joy and happiness has been hijacked and held for ransom. Since I have no 'inheritance' I cannot afford the ransom, therefore my choices are slavery, or poverty. Because I choose poverty over slavery, is that the 'reason, cause, and justification' for mine and others suffering?When I do see 'honest happiness' I am affected. I believe you could probably inspire me with yours, but until everyone has exited the building in a calm and orderly manner, I just got to keep yelling.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 13:12:07 PT

museman
Happiness comes from inside and shouldn't be affected by what is around us. Didn't Ghandi smile? When we keep a good and positive spirit about us we are more able to use that energy to help someone I believe. We see sorrow and pain and the one thing people who are suffering need to see is honest happiness and I mean in the simple things of life.
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Comment #36 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 13:07:28 PT

ripple
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshineand my thoughts were played on the harp unstrungwould you hear my voice coming through the musicwould you hold it dear as it were your own?The only GD song I ever bothered to learn.
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Comment #35 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 12:57:32 PT

whig
We are all on the same side here, and arriving daily. I imagine that we could find agreement on more things than we disagree.The Grateful Dead was a cult. The deadheads totally destroyed my desire to attend a show, even though I enjoy the music, and as a guitar player I thoroughly relate to Gerry (I've even been compared to him these last few years since he has been gone).The Grateful Dead was a Yuppie band, supported by weekend warriors who exchanged their suits for tie-dies. The deadheads were bohemian gypsies who coexisted (at the shows) with their richer fellow attendees. A lot of them have become meth/heroin-addicts, drunks, and rainbow derelicts. I know because I know/knew a lot of them.Honesty I respect, no matter what anyone's lifestyle preference, and unfortunately the only bigger hypocrits than these generational icons, are the political icons.Give me an honest, hardworking redneck, over a yuppified pretend hippy, any day.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 12:44:46 PT

whig
Oh yes something is happening. Last night on Ovation TV they did a show and it was from my time. It interviewed different people and talked about the music. CSNY, The Band and more. One song called Ripple was written by a man who wrote it for the Grateful Dead and said he was looking out the window and he hadn't even had any wine and the song just came to him. You could see in his eyes as an old man the searching for the why and he didn't know but he saw dripping gold in this vision. I think I have the name of the song right and the story right but the point is inspirations comes to everyone if we let them.Your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions.

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Comment #33 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 12:42:44 PT

FoM
Hey, don't get me wrong. I didn't get to go to woodstock because I was still in school, and hitch-hiking to New York was not something I would have even thought of -then. Paying for a bus ticket or plane would have gotten a huge laugh had I asked my parents -but I got as huge satisfaction in playing the 'fish cheer' at the highest volume I could as anyone -(this was of course before the 'war on liberty' started initiating noise ordinances all over the country. -it is interesting to note that every single noise ordinance in this country uses the same sentence to empower it's police; the line or loopohole looks like this; any violation of a "reasonable person of normal sensitivities" - which is of course determined by the cops and the judge. -just another form of prohibition.I too was inspired by woodstock, or at least the idea of it. Freedom is inspiring. But the follow through never came. Hollywood productions with carefully created image and correct status quo values, albeit it created in-the-name-of-hippidom just do not count as being real.I did see the arrogance, the back-stabbing, rich-favor-the-rich attitudes make their way into almost every so-called 'hippy icon' from hollywood to the local scenes. Were there exceptions? A few. Very few. I have acknowledged Neil youngs rare example, and he is still an inspiration. Dreams are a good thing if one holds them high, and doesn't bury them under a lifetime of denial and excuses to not act on them. You FoM have opportunity to participate in meaningful expression, and to assist others in a goal, or dream, of repealing cannabis prohibition, and you do it well. The house IS burning though, and more and more revealing facts and info like the movie zetgeist will be coming out in the months and years ahead, because, fortunately I am not the only one yelling FIRE. And when all the truth is finally out in the open, what you (meaning 'us' collectively who do not now know it) will have to believe at that point is exactly what is being fervently denied by the status quo, all it's minions and slaves right now. This entire system of false values and false prestiges, false authorities, false religions, and made-up-gods, is burning. The fire has been lit (and it wasn't me)- I could have thrown the truth over for self-satisfaction like most of middle and upper class americans, but I chose truth at high personal cost (in worldly terms) and can find no sympathy for those who continue to cling to falsehoods.Forgive them I must, but tolerate, condone, or even support through apathetic withdrawal, I cannot, Nor can I sit by and let BS wash over me without some kind of response.All that glitters is not gold. Bliss, joy, and happiness do not exist for one while their neighbor suffers. That is the kind of xtian denial that gives power to fascists. Blame the unfortunate for their own misfortune, while hoarding what might alleviate their suffering -like compassion, resource, and comfort, as if it was some kind of kharmic reward for 'goodness.'The defense of the status quo at this point is sheer hypocrisy (and idiocy in my mind)- because that house is on fire, and it will be consumed to ashes. The victims inside can feel comfortable now, because they refuse to admit the truth, and they may feel smug in their condemnations of those of us who are really trying to help them, but that comfort will exact payment real soon, and that payment can't be made with a credit card or a bank account.
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Comment #32 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:34:16 PT

FoM
It's not the same thing, I know, it's always different. Just like our music is different. But there is a change happening, don't you think?
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Comment #31 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:33:39 PT

FoM
It's going on now, too. Just it's online, rather than in the streets.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 12:29:59 PT

whig
You wouldn't know because it was a time when we were breaking out of serious restraints that society had set for everyone. Also imagine being 18 years old and you knew that you will probably be drafted to fight in a war that couldn't be won and the music often helped with that fear. You had to be there in that time and feel it.
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Comment #29 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:23:54 PT

FoM
I don't know anything about what went on, I guess.That's the problem.
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 12:23:41 PT

whig
You're taste in music is way different then mine but you are not from my generation so I understand that your music would be different then my music. Each generation latches on to something special when we were young. Maybe that thing about not trusting people over 30 does mean we get stuck liking what we liked when we were under 30 or something like that.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 12:19:36 PT

whig
You lost me. I don't like music about cocaine or heroin either and I wasn't into the Grateful Dead but I do like a couple of their songs alot but I can't think of the names of them.  I was thinking you meant Wavy Gravy lives near you. He always makes me smile.
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Comment #26 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:06:39 PT

My music
It's weird stuff most people don't get at all. Okay. So if you think I ever say anything about not understanding your music, if you listened to some of mine you would not think it was music at all, perhaps. I really do like difficult things sometimes.
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Comment #25 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:03:14 PT

But
Maybe I just don't get it. I'm not saying anything bad about anyone's music. Not at all. I just don't understand some things is all.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 12:02:08 PT

FoM
To me, I don't really want to listen to music about cocaine and heroin and other drugs like that very often, because they aren't interesting to me. Not just that they are about drugs but certain drugs I don't like at all.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 11:59:09 PT

FoM
There's a lot of Grateful Dead culture around me here but it's never really been my vibe. Can't explain that, but it just doesn't draw me in. My music is different, I guess.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 11:57:38 PT

museman
I wish the two of us could sit and talk sometime. I wouldn't be surprised if we argue a bit, but in the end we're on the same side and we all know it. We have different responsibilities, different people we are responsible to in different ways, and we speak differently, but we're all trying to end injustice and restore honesty to the world.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 11:55:39 PT

whig
If you mean who I think you do and you meet him give him a hug from me. Well I guess you couldn't do that. LOL!
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Comment #20 posted by whig on October 19, 2007 at 11:53:35 PT

museman
I've never met the fellow you are talking about but I think he's one of my nearby neighbors. :)
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 11:51:55 PT

museman
You know maybe for me it wasn't Woodstock but that is what allowed me to think outside the box that I was put in. Being raised a strick Catholic and was told not to question when I was young and then seeing people at Woodstock doing what I was taught to shun made me think. When I saw a Nun flashing a peace sign I did a double take and really allowed my mind to wander outside the box I was in. Woodstock can mean different things to different people I believe. It's like faith. My faith might not be your faith but it still is precious to me.
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Comment #18 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 11:37:29 PT

FoM
It could have to do with the fact that during the year of woodstock, I was stationed on the east coast (where most of the original woodstock attendees were from) and not a day went by that I didn't have to dodge bottles, cans, or bricks from many different groups who all had long hair, and claimed to be 'hippies' (this was one reason I had a problem with being labeled a hippie). And when I got out, and returned to the west coast, the west coast hippies had already gone rainbow and were hard to find. The ones that I did link to all had materialistic attitudes of greed and self-serving justfication for bad behavior (I call acting superior and putting on airs 'bad behavior'). The only thing we had in common was hair length, cannabis, and music. By 1976 it was just cannabis and hair.I found it quite frustrating that there was supposed to be this 'movement' and 'consciousness' but all I could find was a bunch of spoiled rotten americans. I didn't find any real hippies until 1978 when I went to the Rainbow Gathering.Now I begin to realize that people who slave their lives away to the system, actually have very little experience in reality, and find themselves dependant on the ways and and means of their social/economic masters to get their information, and make their decisions. I feel sorry for their ignorance, and the fact that they have literally wasted their lives fulfilling manifest destiny for the New World Order, but that sympathy does not extend to allowing them to continue to tread on me and mine.You have asked me why I am 'angry.'The powers in the world have succeeded in convincing nearly everyone that their burning house is not on fire, to the point that those who have a modicum of concern for others than themselves are criminalized, ostricized, discreditied, shunned, and persecuted for informing the public of the fact that the house is on fire.I should just leave the house to burn, and all those foolish souls who seek to deny their own danger to their fate. Ironicly my desire to help my fellow man is invisible under the judgement placed upon my understandable, justified, and misunderstood 'anger' and though I may speak clearly and calmly, no one listens until I yell FIRE at the top of my lungs.I am standing by the door, so when the structure falls, I hope to get out of the way, but there is something in my nature that won't let me quit and just live my life for my own satisfaction -like the majority of my 'peers.' If there is reward somewhere kharmicly stored for the unsung deeds of the real people not noticed by the status quo because they are real and not sanctioned by the demon rule, I will share wealth with many who are not historicly noted for their service to the state and it's various power nodes.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 11:07:57 PT

museman
I don't think I ever thought the way you did about Woodstock. I learned that I could follow my dreams even if they weren't the dreams of my family. I wanted to live in the country and have space to commune with nature and try to do good things for people rather then achieve some level of financial success within the system if it meant becoming a user of others. It helped me with my priorities in life.
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Comment #16 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 11:06:54 PT

for example
A clown who volunteered to MC at woodstock gets all kinds of credibility in the 'counterculture' and he stands proud in that social status to this day. His celebrity however contributed nothing except some kind of false 'hippy authority' that got him many drugs, much sex, and several book deals. The guy has never had to work a day in his life because of that brief spotlight. I've met and conversed with the man, along with his pal Ken (RIP) and a few of the members of the Hog Farm over the years. As clubs go the HF has done about as much for the community as the Lions club, other than a lot of great parties in the past.The woodstock clown never made anyone laugh. Good thing for him he got elevated to demigod status early in life.In case you don't know whom I am speaking of, his initials are W.G.
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Comment #15 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 10:57:11 PT

FoM
Yes, for a while there, up until about 1975, the general conversations were all about peace, love, and woodstock. As people began to have families most of 'em were forced into some kind of yuppie compromise, but by 1980 the socially politically correct status quo was 'job, clean-cut, car, and rent-to-own.'I find it ironic that those who actually tried to maintian their 'hippiness' have become outcast and constantly profiled and labeled by the many of the very same people who like to soak in nostalga, and pretend that they once were part of the scene. Someone with access to pictures and film footage gets more credibility than someone who actually lived it.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on October 19, 2007 at 10:46:31 PT

museman 
I understand what you mean but for me it was a light going on and it never turned off and life has gone on the way I hoped it would as far as my mind set goes. I became a different person because of what I saw happening when Woodstock happened and I saw it on tv on the news. So it was personal for me and others I met felt the same way too.
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Comment #13 posted by museman on October 19, 2007 at 10:38:36 PT

monuments
Are nothing more than false idols cast in carefully controlled light and symbolic rendering. Money belongs to the ultra rich -who are the bankers who make the wars, set up governments, and design the status quo. Any monmument that any one in this government sets up is going to be false, biased, and intended to confuse future generations about what really happened to some of us in our youth. Personally I would find such a monument to one randomly successful event (in generational terms) an insult to the many sincere souls who had their dreams run over by the middle class and their hollywood production role models. In the midst of many many monnumental failures, evident in the way this generation just let 'em do what they've done, all in the name of self-service and personal satisfaction, this generation would just love to sit back and continue to talk about how 'woodstock' they were in their youth, without having to recognize that they were only tourists at a reality show.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 20:15:06 PT

whig
I agree with you. We all see the world thru our own lives and form opinions based on our own experiences. Life really is a journey.PS: When I knew that I was having serious problems with the satellite I took some time before I started calling for tec support and said to myself to remember not to get upset and understand that the tecs want to help and if they can't don't take it out on them because it isn't their fault. As difficult as all those hours on and off with different levels of technicans until I hit the top level of help I didn't get upset and enjoyed talking with each of the technicians. One tec said we have been trying to fix this problem now for almost my whole shift and we both laughed. Why I am saying this is because good can come from bad times too. We learn the lesson of patience and that's a good thing.
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Comment #11 posted by whig on October 18, 2007 at 19:28:30 PT

People are people
I don't mean otherwise. It's just we have different social contexts that we live and work in. And we have different traditions and cultures and customs and foods and everything. But really some things are the same everywhere.Everyone needs the same basic necessities, food, shelter, clothing, someone to love and to love them. That's the same everywhere.
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Comment #10 posted by whig on October 18, 2007 at 19:26:12 PT

Different planets
It feels like that, too. Different places are not as similar as they look, either. It's all people, anywhere you go, but they don't all think and act the same everywhere.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 18:57:15 PT

Taylor121
I usually am disagreeing with you but I want you to know that I think you are a good person. We just live on different planets and that's ok.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 17:52:40 PT

mayan
I don't look at it that way. I marvel at ancient art and am so pleased that we have it to see. What if no one cared back then? We must remember our future and not think so much about now or even how we feel about the government. What is there without Art and Music and Heart and Soul?
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Comment #7 posted by mayan on October 18, 2007 at 17:32:54 PT

No Thanks
I wouldn't want these corrupted government scumbags having anything to do with funding or creating a Woodstock museum. Don't they have anything better to do like END THE WARS AND EXPOSE THE 9/11 COVER-UP??? Oh yeah, they were complicit in all of it. Oops! 
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 16:54:23 PT

Taylor121
This sentence from the article is one very important reason to have a top notch Woodstock Museum. How dare the right wing want to forget or just putdown what brought our country alive with hope and dreams of peace. That is why it is needed. Excerpt: Conservatives call it a hippie museum and a taxpayer-funded LSD flashback. 
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 16:41:52 PT

Taylor121 
I don't like money being wasted so lets end this war and we'll have money to remember important events like Woodstock. We need to get our priorities right.
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Comment #4 posted by Taylor121 on October 18, 2007 at 16:33:11 PT

Woodstock
Woodstock can be remembered in other ways. With the government strapped for cash, that type of money should go towards children's health care, paying the debt down, or even liberal arts education. Allocation of money is a pet peeve of mine, and although I agree Woodstock should be remembered, I think it can do so without spending on earnmarks. Earnmarks can really get out of control and are often a product of that dirty lobbying some of you have come to oppose.I know this won't be very popular with some of you, but sorry, more important concerns in our government right now and this is one example of our government wasting cash at a time when we are trillions in debt. 
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 16:22:44 PT

whig
What Woodstock represented to me was a time when middle class young adults saw the way we were told we should be doesn't mean that it was the right way. We questioned the system and authority. The Internet is a product of that dream. 
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Comment #2 posted by whig on October 18, 2007 at 16:12:58 PT

Woodstock museum
It was obviously an important event for many people in American history and it deserves to be remembered properly.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on October 18, 2007 at 14:47:53 PT

Exhibit Preview
I always thought we should have something that will tell a story of that special time in History. They have a DEA Museum so why can't we have this Museum about Woodstock?http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/Museum/Exhibit/
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