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  The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That 

Posted by CN Staff on August 22, 2007 at 09:09:59 PT
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist 
Source: SF Gate 

USA -- Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening in the newly "greening" of America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored optimism. OK? I'm talking about, say, energy-efficient lightbulbs. I'm looking at organic foods going mainstream. I mean chemical-free cleaning products widely available at Target and I'm talking saving the whales and protecting the dolphins.
I mean yoga studios flourishing in every small town, giant boxes of organic cereal at Costco and the Toyota Prius becoming the nation's oddest status symbol. You know, good things. Look around: We have entire industries devoted to recycled paper, a new generation of cheap solar-power technology and an Oscar for "An Inconvenient Truth." Even the soulless corporate monsters over at famously heartless joints like Wal-Mart are now claiming that they really, really care about saving the environment because, well, "it's the right thing to do" (read: "It's purely economic and all about their bottom line"). There is but one conclusion you can draw from the astonishing pro-environment sea change happening in the culture and (reluctantly, nervously) in the halls of power in D.C., one thing we must all acknowledge in our wary, jaded, globally warmed universe: The hippies had it right all along. All this hot enthusiasm for healing the planet and eating whole foods and avoiding chemicals and working with nature and developing the self? Came from the hippies. Alternative health? Hippies. Green cotton? Hippies. Reclaimed wood? Recycling? Humane treatment of animals? Medical pot? Alternative energy? Natural childbirth? Non-GMA seeds? It came from the granola types (who, of course, absorbed much of it from ancient cultures), from the alternative worldviews, from the underground and the sidelines and from far off the grid and it's about time the media, the politicians, the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology. Here's a suggestion, from one of my more astute ex-hippie readers: Instead of issuing carbon credits so industrial polluters can clear their collective corporate conscience, maybe, to help offset all the damage they've done to the soul of the planet all these years, these commercial cretins should instead buy some karma credits from the former hippies themselves. You know, from those who've been working for the health of the planet, quite thanklessly, for 50 years and who have, as a result, built up quite a storehouse of good karma. You think? Of course, you can easily argue that much of the "authentic" hippie ethos -- the anti-corporate ideology, the sexual liberation, the anarchy, the push for civil rights, the experimentation -- has been totally leached out of all these new movements, that corporations have forcibly co-opted and diluted every single technology and humble pro-environment idea and Ben & Jerry's ice cream cone and Odwalla smoothie to make them both palatable and profitable. But does this somehow make the organic oils in that body lotion any more harmful? Verily, it does not. You might also just as easily claim that much of the nation's reluctant turn toward environmental health has little to do with the hippies per se, that it's taking the threat of global meltdown combined with the notion of really, really expensive ski tickets to slap the nation's incredibly obese butt into gear and force consumers to wake up to the gluttony and wastefulness of American culture as everyone starts wondering, "Oh my God, what's going to happen to swimming pools and NASCAR and free shipping from Amazon?" Of course, without the '60s groundwork, without all the radical ideas and seeds of change planted nearly five decades ago, what we'd be turning to in our time of need would be a great deal more hopeless indeed. But if you're really bitter and shortsighted, you could say the entire hippie movement overall was just incredibly overrated, gets far too much cultural credit for far too little actual impact, was pretty much a giant excuse to slack off and enjoy dirty, lazy, responsibility-free sex romps and do a ton of drugs and avoid Vietnam and not bathe for a month and name your child Sunflower or Shiva Moon or Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. This is what's called the reactionary simpleton's view. It blithely ignores history, perspective, the evolution of culture as a whole. You know, just like America. But, you know, whatever. The proof is easy enough to trace. The core values and environmental groundwork laid by the '60s counterculture are still so intact and potent that even the stiffest neocon Republican has to acknowledge their extant power. It's all right there: Treehugger.com is the new '60s underground hippie zine. Ecstasy is the new LSD. Visible tattoos are the new longhairs. And bands as diverse as Pearl Jam, Bright Eyes, NIN and the Dixie Chicks are writing anti-Bush, anti-war songs for a new, ultra-jaded generation. And, oh yes, speaking of good ol' MDMA (Ecstasy), even drug culture is getting some new respect. Staid old Time mag just ran a rather snide little story about the new studies being conducted by Harvard and the National Institute of Mental Health into the astonishing psycho-spiritual benefits of goodly entheogens such as LSD, psilocybin and MDMA. Unfortunately, the piece basically backhands Timothy Leary and the entire "excessive," "naive" drug culture of yore in favor of much more "sane" and "careful" scientific analysis happening now, as if the only valid methods for attaining knowledge and an understanding of spirit were through control groups and clinical, mysticism-free examination. Please. Still, the fact that serious scientific research into entheogens is being conducted even in the face of the most anti-science, pro-pharmaceutical, ultraconservative presidential regime in recent history is proof enough that all the hoary hippie mantras about expanding the mind and touching God through drugs were onto something after all (yes, duh). Tim Leary is probably smiling wildly right now -- though that might be because of all the mushrooms he's been sharing with Kerouac and Einstein and Mary Magdalene. Mmm, heaven. Of course, true hippie values mean you're not really supposed to care about or attach to any of this, you don't give a damn for the hollow ego stroke of being right all along, for slapping the culture upside the head and saying, "See? Do you see? It was never about the long hair and the folk music and Woodstock and taking so much acid you see Jesus and Shiva and Buddha tongue kissing in a hammock on the Dog Star, nimrods." It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie junk no one believes in anymore. Right? Mark Morford's column appears Wednesdays and Fridays in Datebook and on SFGate.com. Source: SF Gate (CA)Author: Mark Morford, SF Gate ColumnistPublished: Wednesday, May 2, 2007Copyright: 2007 SF Gate Contact: mmorford sfgate.comWebsite: http://www.sfgate.com/The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew Thathttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22941.shtmlCannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml 

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Comment #372 posted by museman on June 13, 2014 at 10:41:25 PT
for my friends
If anyone is interested, these are my latest links to music and my book - I am posting a chapter every day or so. The second in the series is almost finished. I am changing the cover and the title very soon so I can finalize it and get on with marketing.Thanks to all for al the years of good conversation and debate. Got my juices moving a few times.My opinions have all been stated. This site has been an important part in some of my 're-education' and I learned a lot about a lot of things -not just cannabis prohibition- while actively posting here. I don't believe in the system in any way shape or form, and can no longer in good conscience continue to ignore the errors of compromise that for me are the crux of the entire matter. I gave up writing and direct communication in the 70's when it became obvious my peers were all about compromising the integrity of the truth for their individual comfort zones. I chose music as the medium, and I stuck with it until is just became overwhelmingly obvious that the handful of people who appreciate it were not enough to sustain the time spent on it. So I began writing again. This site honed my wordsmith skills. After seeing/reading a couple of mainstream, popular novels that movies were made of, and the movies were better than the books...I realized that I could do better. So I have.FOM, thanks for your incredible steadfastness and focus, I will always admire you for this. Hope, thanks for your personal touch, even if it was sometimes a bit offensive -but I am surely aware that the truth is not always pleasant to look upon. I am sure you found my words offensive from time to time as well.Afterburner, Had Enough, Kapt, Sam, GCW, most of all of you, I have fond feeling when I look at your nicknames. Everything must come to an end eventually. I think for me and Cnews, that time has come.Thanks again for the years of interesting words.Peace to you all.Terry
https://www.facebook.com/pages/T-E-Hubbard/316986498415713https://www.facebook.com/Wormwood.Seriessomeday, we will LEGALIZE FREEDOM
 my site
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Comment #371 posted by afterburner on March 16, 2014 at 09:23:57 PT
afterburner #370
I can't get that link to load on my laptop. It seems to be designed for touch screen (smartphone or iPad). Here is a click link: •George Harrison video - All Those Years Ago
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zzd1_george-harrison-all-those-years-ago_musicFoM, sorry to hear about your dog. I hope this song will cheer you up a bit.
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Comment #370 posted by afterburner on March 16, 2014 at 05:52:08 PT
museman #369
Thanks for reminding us of our real history. I have it bookmarked now. It's like a time capsule. Psychedelic love, friendship & invention!
George Harrison video - All Those Years Ago
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Comment #369 posted by museman on March 15, 2014 at 08:24:59 PT
recently rebaked music
"...you could get elected if you try, but don't get too exultant."
Gotta Get In To Get Out
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Comment #368 posted by Hope on December 15, 2012 at 21:14:11 PT
Had Enough
That call meant so much to me. Thank you again for taking the time.
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Comment #367 posted by Had Enough on December 15, 2012 at 11:29:48 PT
Why thank you...
I remember that call Hope…It’s been a journey for sure…and it is time to continue on…I’ve had a lot of support from many areas and it is hard to cover them all…some have helped in many ways they will never know…Lot of help from here too…and even here you don’t know the amazing amount of strength I’ve found here…I’ve been checking in from time to time…but have refrained from posting…no particular reason…just the way it went...but just reading and listening did much for me…I love you guys here…The world could use a little of the vibs that emanate from here…It’s amazing how such small things you see is really much larger than life...but at the same time really, its all part of life…There is no…should have did this…wish I would have done that…The past is in the past…we cannot bring it back and live there…it is behind us...it cannot be here…The future is not here yet either…so also we cannot live there…All we really have is the present…‘the right here and now’…Now we can take what we have learned in the past…and help shape a better future though…’right here and now’
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Comment #366 posted by Hope on December 14, 2012 at 23:24:54 PT
We do love you, Had Enough.
Your love for your Bride always showed. It showed here. It showed when I spoke with you on the phone that time.She was a very blessed lady to have you love her. And of course, obviously, you were blessed to have her love for you. I'm sorry for all the grief you've had to suffer with her passing, but I'm glad for the love you had. A treasure forever. I'm glad you are feeling stronger. She would be glad, too.
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Comment #365 posted by FoM on December 14, 2012 at 20:44:55 PT
Had Enough
That was beautiful. We love you so much. I wish you much happiness. God Bless You!
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Comment #364 posted by Had Enough on December 14, 2012 at 20:21:05 PT
A special Thank You…
This is an email that I've sent out to my friends...since I consider all ofyou friends here...I thought I would post this here for you...And I thank You all here at CNEWS...************A special Thank You…Two years ago today at 5:00 am…I was holding the hand of my Bride at her very last heartbeat…It’s been quite some adventure adjusting to the different life…I’ve made to this point so it looks like things will finally be okay…Many thanks to all who has supported me through these trying times…old friends friends who are no longer with us and new friends that never even knew her…and a very special shout out to my musician friends…again, old musician friends, musician friends who are no longer with us, and some new musician friends…playing music helps to soothe the soul way beyond what can be described in words here…but the musicians understand exactly what it means…Thanks again for giving me the space…True brothers and sisters of mankind…and you all know who you are…Many have spoken, and sent acts of comfort…and I’m truly amazed of the amount of it generously sent my way…and realizing I had many more friends, extended family in my life than I really knew…again, you all know who you are…In the long run I’m am the fortunate one here…It was I, who was able to experience more than 32 years of sharing a life with another, and good one too…many people live their whole lives and never experience that warmth…so yes, you can say…I’m the fortunate one…Love is the most powerful force in the universe…and I not only got to see it…but were also given the opportunity to experience it…and that I did…After three months of shock, about twelve months of bewilderment, and the rest just wondering what direction I shall take, it is now the time to get back going again…I feel the strength that you all have helped for me to help myself, to re-gain…and that also is very special to me…So with that said…Thank You all once again…Peace brothers and sisters…
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Comment #363 posted by Had Enough on November 01, 2012 at 17:58:16 PT
Stand By Me
That's another tune I've brushed up on...Nice clean bass part...powerful lyrics...************Ben E. King - Stand by me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg7YoXiKn0
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Comment #362 posted by Hope on October 27, 2012 at 10:13:11 PT
One of the things I love about
living in the country.I can go about my business singing "Stand By Me" at the top of my lungs... and I'm not bothering anyone.
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Comment #361 posted by Hope on October 27, 2012 at 09:53:25 PT

For one of my oldest and dearest cyber friends...
Stand by me "Orginal"inclusiv with River Phoenixhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX--7gFHkU0&feature=relatedThis one will probably make you weep, too... but we're still here.Duh!!!Seems like forever.:0)Peace and love sweet friend.
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Comment #360 posted by Hope on October 27, 2012 at 09:48:24 PT

Forgive me, Had Enough.
Because I know this is going to make you cry. It is so beautiful. It made me think of you and Bride.Tracy Chapman - Stand by mehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=pjqre-8igAQ&feature=endscreen
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Comment #359 posted by Hope on October 26, 2012 at 13:06:23 PT

Had Enough, Comment #356
Cool! One of my favorite songs.
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Comment #358 posted by museman on October 26, 2012 at 08:49:54 PT

FoM
Crap... can you fix my error?
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Comment #357 posted by museman on October 26, 2012 at 08:34:27 PT

Had Enough
Sincerety
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Comment #356 posted by Had Enough on October 20, 2012 at 01:40:27 PT

Tunes...
A tune I’ve practiced up on to play at the local Jam Nights...Easy tune...but nice solid bottom end...and a lotta room to spice it up..There is this singer...and boy does she ever belt it out...***Tracy Chapman - Give me one reason...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kEx5BLoC4

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Comment #355 posted by FoM on December 21, 2011 at 11:53:50 PT

Had Enough
I understand the ups and downs. I hope there are more good days then bad ones. I hope you stop in more often just to talk. The news is so slow and probably will be for some time but we still can talk.
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Comment #354 posted by Had Enough on December 21, 2011 at 10:22:58 PT

Reflections...
I've been thinkin' of this place too FoM...I've checked in but haven't posted anything...Yeah....I'm hangin' in there...been a different world for sure...some days things are cool...other days...well what can I say...Ups and downs...roller coaster like...but I know I must carry on...and I will...somehow...someway...
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Comment #353 posted by FoM on December 21, 2011 at 05:04:04 PT

Had Enough
What a nice way to wake up. I think of you often and hope you are doing well. 
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Comment #352 posted by Had Enough on December 21, 2011 at 00:25:30 PT

Things
Just wanted to say hey to you FoM...and to the rest who might see this...

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Comment #351 posted by museman on October 17, 2011 at 16:29:07 PT

hippy history
Local. 1969. Attitudes from the local 'law' haven't changed much.
Battle Lines Being Drawn
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Comment #350 posted by museman on September 20, 2011 at 10:24:20 PT

Had Enough
Peace to you. When you finally decide to come west, look me up?
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Comment #349 posted by FoM on September 19, 2011 at 20:33:16 PT

Had Enough
I agree with Hope and Greenmed. I hope you are doing ok and I miss you around here too.
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Comment #348 posted by greenmed on September 19, 2011 at 18:24:31 PT

Had Enough
It's good to see you. Like Hope writes, I trust you're taking good care of yourself, and also that you're embracing the support and love of family and good friends.I hope this doesn't seem out-of-place, but man do I miss your sharing musical links with us for a Friday or Saturday evening.Take care, brother of ours. See you again soon.
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Comment #347 posted by Hope on September 19, 2011 at 14:53:51 PT

Had Enough
Thank you for posting. I hope you are taking good care of yourself. 
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Comment #346 posted by Had Enough on September 19, 2011 at 00:25:31 PT

Been Thinkn’

Just thought I’d check in and say Hey....Peace to all that seek it...and even to those that don’t...***The Beatles - And I Love Herhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002627812768#!/

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Comment #345 posted by Hope on June 27, 2011 at 12:48:19 PT

  :0)
Rainbow time again!
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Comment #344 posted by museman on June 27, 2011 at 10:17:13 PT

Hope
Yes, my eldest son, Ebram, plays bass. Last year it was one of his brothers, Chauntawe, who played bass. Probably the only sure way to get a recording is to be nice to the takilmafm folks and do an interview, so we will. I'll have a link to it at some point.Just for a little history; This band ARC was my first band, way back in the early 80's. The drummer is the same, and our bass player (from the early days) just popped back into the picture after nearly 30 years of being 'lost.' He is playing guitar now. Our orignal lead guitarist, Tongo, is no longer with us, and we only have one female vocalist.The band ended with the tragic death of one of the female vocalists infant son, and never quite got back together again, until now. We found out one day before our performance, that Bilbo Baggins (a real person folks) recently passed. He was the husband of the vocalist and father the child hat died. The last performace of ARC was dedicated to the child, this one to the father.It was a good set, I lost about 20 years for an hour. We rocked!I'll make sure to have a recording available as soon as I have it. I would like to hear it as well, you never know on stage, except from other people, how it really sounded unless you have recording. I'm going on how it felt, and how the people reacted.BTW****NOTE****The 40th Rainbow Gathering in SO Washington State is underway. I am heading there in the next few days.Remember the silence and noon prayer on the 4th -remember the OM?Peace

where the gathering is
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Comment #343 posted by Hope on June 27, 2011 at 09:45:35 PT

Museman
I hope we get to see it or the interview or something.I never have any luck getting anything that happens at takilmafm. Runruff's interviews and readings or anything.It is good to hear that you'll had a very successful performance and a good day.Was your son able to be with you'll? He's in the band, isn't he?

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Comment #342 posted by FoM on June 27, 2011 at 06:12:07 PT

museman
We have been away from the computer a lot recently so we missed it. I'm glad it went well for you. 
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Comment #341 posted by museman on June 26, 2011 at 12:52:12 PT

Hope, all
Seems most missed it who weren't there. I will say that it was one of the better ones I have done. Got a great reaction -moved up the program so that next year (if we survive) we will get a more prime spot.We will be doing an interview in the next few months with takilmafm, and they recorded it, so there will be another chance.peace
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Comment #340 posted by Hope on June 25, 2011 at 09:52:29 PT

I'm getting recorded Jazz.
Obviously, I missed Museman's performance.
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Comment #339 posted by FoM on June 25, 2011 at 08:38:37 PT

museman
That's wonderful. I hope to be able to catch your performance. 
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Comment #338 posted by museman on June 25, 2011 at 08:13:53 PT

if anyone is interested..
Giving a rare performance (and rust never sleeps) this AM/noonish at the Hope Mountain Barter Faire.Live stream available here;http://www.takilmafm.com/click the 'listen here' link.I am performing with the band ARC -first act of the day. There will be live music all day long and into the night. Its an audio insight into some of what makes our little part of the State of Jefferson so special.enjoy
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Comment #337 posted by Hope on June 15, 2011 at 16:48:07 PT

"Bride"
I always thought I could hear, and see, and feel the love for your "Bride" in that one lovely word, when you used it to describe and name the woman you loved, and always will love, Had Enough.
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Comment #336 posted by museman on June 15, 2011 at 10:05:01 PT

Had Enough
AGAINPast the fear, past the pain, is a place where we will meet again. 
Don't you know, can't you see?We were always here, and we will always be.Everybody knows that Love is the answerbut it really ain't been easy just to get this farwhen you been taught to be something other than you are,striding boldly through the darkness,and tryin' so hard to see.Well I know sometimes life is so damn hard you want to lose your mindbut don't let go, 'cause life and love are all we'll ever know.No matter what they tell you, don't let 'em keep you down.A storm is a-comin' got to find the higher ground.hearts are all grievin' for the ones we had to leave,and the only salvation is the faith to believe.Past the tears, after rain, is a place where we will meet again.We all know, we can see.We were always here and will always be.Past the years, after war, is a place where we will live once more.-its just a song (one I may have forgotten the melody too) but it speaks my heart.Peace Bro.

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Comment #335 posted by Hope on June 14, 2011 at 23:21:44 PT

Had Enough
I, too, love you, very much. 
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Comment #334 posted by FoM on June 14, 2011 at 12:41:42 PT

Had Enough
I thank you so much for sharing your very personal and special moment of your Bride's passing with us. This song brought great comfort to me when Tim passed away. Love, Martha***I know you're out there somewhereSomewhere, somewhereI know I'll find you somehowSomehow, somehowAnd somehow I'll return again to you***Moody Blues - I Know You`re Out There Somewhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a97d5bUCFVQ
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Comment #333 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2011 at 12:21:45 PT

Six Months...
It’s been six months to the day that my lovely bride of almost 32 years has departed this earthly place. It was on a Tuesday also. She is certainly missed.When the first week went by I found myself thinking that it has already been a week, then the first month went by…now I’m at the sixth month…Well we made it this far…so…I guess the next first will be the one-year mark.I was there with her holding her hand at her very last heartbeat. I’ve had a lot of things taken from me in my lifetime…but being there to the very end is one thing nobody or anything can take away me…I’d say that is forever…I guess I’ll be okay…but probably still have quite a ways to go yet…Many people have extended their love and support…and to all those…I thank you kindly…it certainly has helped to get through the process.If you have somebody to love…go hold their hand and give that person a big hug…and just be one with each other…Love…The most powerful force in the universe…Peace…************Eric Clapton - River Of Tears (Live) (Video Version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55nF0OqTmA

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Comment #332 posted by Had Enough on April 09, 2011 at 03:34:28 PT

Released

The Band - I Shall be Releasedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0WMBYQL14U&feature=autoplay&list=MLGxdCwVVULXe5sgJvkCatpiJzXCz6LRxq

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Comment #331 posted by Had Enough on April 09, 2011 at 01:08:38 PT

greenmed, my dear friend of wisdom…

Thank you so much…You have no idea how much your response to me means…I can only hope you do…You are one that truly understands…I feel it an honor to be with you…************the beatles/ in my lifehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0Q8ytD44Y***The Beatles-While My Guitar Gently Weepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo&feature=autoplay&list=MLGxdCwVVULXe5sgJvkCatpiJzXCz6LRxq&index=23&playnext=21

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Comment #330 posted by greenmed on April 08, 2011 at 21:33:07 PT

Dear Had Enough
I am so sorry for your loss.(Just picked up on this thread, belatedly.)*HUG*The outstretched finger arcs downward into the still pond,sending ripples out across the water for a brief time.'Til it lifts up again to whence it came,but from which it was never separate.-- somebody
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Comment #329 posted by FoM on April 08, 2011 at 13:55:36 PT

Had Enough
Do you have my e-mail or Hope's e-mail? If you do and contact me or Hope I will send you his phone number. He said I could.
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Comment #328 posted by Had Enough on April 08, 2011 at 13:49:32 PT

Nephew

Yes I have heard you mention him to me before…I’ve got an idea on how to meet him…I will probably be here Tuesday…Pinellas MeetUphttp://www.meetup.com/PUFMM-Tampa/events/17193835/

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Comment #327 posted by FoM on April 08, 2011 at 11:25:58 PT

Had Enough
It's so good to hear from you. All you can do is one day at a time and stay busy. I love that song. Thank you.PS: You've heard me mention my nephew that lives in your state. He is 57 and lost his job of 20 years after a random. 
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Comment #326 posted by Had Enough on April 08, 2011 at 10:49:29 PT

It’s all right...Still Here…

I just wanted to check in and let everyone know that I’m still here.Time is making its adjustments, and I’ve been trying to adjust to them as well.Tears are still being shed…I’ve attended events that I normally do not do, and have been around a lot of people. It seems the more people I’m around, the more things seems easier. Including this place.It’s all right, but still have a way to go yet.Thank you all…***Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Linehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqhdRs4jyA

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Comment #325 posted by FoM on February 12, 2011 at 15:10:01 PT

Had Enough
You're very welcome.
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Comment #324 posted by Hope on February 12, 2011 at 13:24:20 PT

Had Enough
Don't worry about me. I'm strong. Maybe, in some ways, stronger than I've ever been.I knew your Bride's health was compromised. I'd hoped not as much as it obviously was. It was obvious from the way that you spoke of her that you loved her very much. My feelings about what you are going through are very powerful and they are about love and warmth and caring very much. Since I've learned what has happened, I've wept , and I've prayed, and I've hugged you in my heart, hoping that somehow you might, in the unfathomable ways of this life, realize the warmth of my caring and genuine spiritual affection for you and take some little comfort from it.
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Comment #323 posted by Had Enough on February 12, 2011 at 13:17:14 PT

And…

I forgot to thank you for the tune…:)

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Comment #321 posted by FoM on February 12, 2011 at 11:59:07 PT

Had Enough
A song just for you. All Things Must Pass - George Harrisonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GytPv_v29lc
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Comment #319 posted by Had Enough on February 12, 2011 at 11:09:32 PT

Dealing with 'Changes in Life'

Thank you all…Sometimes I’m ok with it…Other times it feels like my heart has been torn from my chest.It comes and goes…It’s kinda like watching the waves roll in on a beach.Some waves roll in easy…and go out easy.Some waves roll in easy and rush right back out.And some waves come crashing in hard…and churn the sands up.Anybody who has spent time around the water and who has observed the wave action will know no matter how easy the waves com and go, will also know that about every fifth, or maybe the tenth, or sometimes the third wave (very random depending on conditions) will be more aggressive than that of the previous and following waves.I will be ok in time, as I have no choice in the matter, I have to let it hurt at times and experience the pain. For me it’s part of the healing process, and part of the love that I am very fortunate to know and feel.The love that museman talks about are the real deal…Every one has it…But not all realize it’s there and its powerful force…Some live their whole lives and never slow down enough and look at the beauty all around us. It’s there…just stop and look.When the Power of Love exceeds the Love of Power, we will then know and experience peace.It is that love and affection that will carry me through these times.I’ve cried enough to fill the Gulf of Mexico, and will still shed many more tears…But …I am one tears easily. Not the manly thing to do…But certainly the real thing to do…I’ve had endless thoughts and prayers from people all around me. Have received hugs & kisses, and still receiving them, but the posts that were made here and sent my way do more for me than I can ever describe. I will try…but I just can’t cover it all.Museman…You are holding me…and we ARE crying together…maybe you just don’t know it, but then again I think you can feel it, and what you wrote couldn’t have been written better…and that’s why you wrote it, because you are holding me.FoM…I know you have been concerned about my absence, I’ve thought of it on a continuous and daily basis…And I was concerned about leaving you to wonder what was going on. It was troubling my spirit about leaving you in limbo, which is not a fair way to treat you. I’ve been feeling the vibes for about a month or more. I feel really blessed to be part of the love you share with others. And that love should not be abused.Hope…I was really concerned about you too. I know you are fighting the battle of your life. I didn’t want news like this to shake you to a point of despair. I thank you for sharing. You hang in there and tell that Grim Reaper to go back to hell where he came from, and give him a spit in the eye and tell it’s from me.BGreen…You are correct about keeping in touch here…forgive me, but I had to do it the way I did. Timing BGreen…And because it did it this way…your ceremony will be a powerful, and meaningful one. And I feel good that I will have had some impact on such an important event. You know what they say…timing is every thing. And also…things happen for a reason…Just one more Moondance ???…I have a lot of affection for people and things that went before…and I have it for people and things that are still here…In time, I might be dancing again…I will just flow with the forces. I will not try to fight the currents and try to make things happen; instead I will just go with them. That is the way I feel it should be for the time being.************OTIS REDDING: (Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrXc68gNjQ
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Comment #318 posted by FoM on February 11, 2011 at 13:26:36 PT

BGreen
I know you will give it your all.
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Comment #317 posted by BGreen on February 11, 2011 at 12:57:26 PT

I know, FoM
I'm officiating the wedding of my nephew tomorrow. I pray I can use the pain I feel to instill some sense of how miraculous it is finding your soul mate and how important it is to make everyday we have together as special as we can.My heart is truly broken for Had Enough and the tears won't stop.Bud
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Comment #316 posted by FoM on February 11, 2011 at 12:45:03 PT

BGreen
My heart is broken for Had Enough. It's really amazing how I can't think of anything else today. I wondered where Had Enough has been. I felt something was wrong. 
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Comment #315 posted by BGreen on February 11, 2011 at 12:08:11 PT

Had Enough
Oh, my God! My heart is broken for you. I'm experiencing sadness that is almost ineffable. I'm so sorry!Please, never again think that sharing your feelings with your friends here at CNews is creating a "pall" over the site. The only thing that does that is anger and fighting. It hurts me so much that you didn't let us shoulder some of the pain you were in. That's what we do on this site. FoM and I were just talking last night about how special this CNews family is. You're not alone when you've got the collective energy of so many loving and caring friends.Please, Had Enough and anybody else, remember we're here for you.Bud
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Comment #314 posted by Hope on February 11, 2011 at 09:14:58 PT

Oh no. 
My dear, dear Had Enough. I'm so sorry. I'm devastated for you. 
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Comment #313 posted by museman on February 11, 2011 at 08:20:54 PT

Had Enough
Words cannot suffice.Yet, let this be a comfort to you, if possible;In our faith and belief in greater things there is hope and promise of eternal life. I personally have seen some parts of the nature of this hope and promise. It's not awaiting some great dispensation of special planetary alignment or fulfillment of prophecy, but is inherent in our spirit.The powers of the world have conspired to obscure these things from our consciousness, so that their ways and means of fear may continue to hold our consciousness at length, away from the sure and certain KNOWLEDGE of our eternal nature.The bonds of true love are as eternal as any gift of our Creator can be. They are the fundaments of forever.Your loss is immeasurable, incomparable, and the source of the deepest pain known to us all, yet know that the loss is temporary. Take some comfort in the FACT that your love is the savior, and that all that was, or will be contained within that love is saved, and held safe towards the next time, in time, or eternity that we come again to share the life and love of Creation.Only the remembrance can fill that pain now. And it is a great sadness we live with. Yet the love does not stop, or 'die,' it continues.As a brother I would hold you, and cry with you if I could, for even as I am distant, my tears share some small part of your grief, small but sincere.I am telling you nothing that you are not aware of, just lending my support and prayer. Thank you for allowing us to share some of the pain and sadness, for that too is a part of love.Peace to you.Terry
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Comment #312 posted by FoM on February 11, 2011 at 05:49:04 PT

Had Enough
I am so sorry. My heart is breaking for you. There are no words of comfort I could give that would make you feel any better. I want you to know how much you are loved. I wish I had your e-mail because I would write to you. There is another person on this site who is in bad shape and I have his e-mail. I will pray that you find peace in time but it will take time. 
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Comment #311 posted by Had Enough on February 10, 2011 at 21:02:14 PT

My abstract from Corinthians 13
Abstract from Corinthians 13“Love is patient, love is kind. And it is not jealous;It does not brag, it does not boast, it is not arrogant. It is not act unbecomingly; it is not seek it’s own, it is not provoked;it does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth:Bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all thingsLove never fails.”

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Comment #310 posted by Had Enough on February 10, 2011 at 21:00:43 PT

Spirit & Changes

And a wish for just one more moondance…My spirit has been restless/troubled for quite some time now, and I’ve been having a really, really hard time coming to peace with myself.I kept looking for the source…I thought it might be the troubled economy, and watching a small floundering occupation we have worked very hard at, vaporize slowly but surely.I kept talking to my bride about this. I told her that we’ve worked so hard and now we are just watching it all fade away. We talked more…I told her I’ve jumped through so many hoops, worked endless hours…put up with stuff most people cannot even conceive, more or less even deal with it, and how we never had a lot of money, but we were always able to have enough to get by, and sometimes maybe a little extra. I told her that I never let the lack of money or possessions trouble me…but now it had got to me and I can’t seem to shake it, like I always have in the past. I kept telling her this isn’t like me…I told her several times, I can’t come to peace with myself and the shock wave is reverberating through the whole household causing even more bad vibes.More of many conversations…Again I had said that I’ve worked my ass off, sacrificed the gain of material possessions, I’ve tried very hard for over 30 years to keep this household together, and now look, It’s crumbling away. She responded back to me, you didn’t try…you did it, and have been doing it…and you are still doing it. She told me that somehow we would make it, like we had always had.Well I think I’ve found the source of those troubled vibes I couldn’t shake that I was picking up…My Bride died in December at 54 yrs of age.She had been diagnosed in 1999 with a nasty disease from a blood transfusion that was contaminated with the Hep C virus she received around 1988 and had been giving a life expectancy of about 5 yrs. So when 2006 & 7 rolled by, we talked about how she beat the odds. And how she was looking and feeling good. Got many comments from people how good she looked it appeared like she was getting healthy again. Some people who knew us told me at times she didn’t look sick at all.The last 2 yrs or so she had been feeling not so well.The last 6 months or so she was in a lot worse shape that what she would talk about, but still, I knew her health seemed to be failing at an accelerated rate. I just knew.Many little pieces of a puzzle have been fitting together. She had been going to the doctors more than usual, saying they wanted to check this and that. She would always say the tests came back okay. Or that they are going to adjust her medications. Then she would be off for another test. More tests than usual.She was having a difficult time keeping up with simple things like paperwork. Whenever I brought these many small errors to her attention, she would always have an excuse like…I didn’t have the right eyeglasses on…Or the phone rang in the middle of that, or so and so came by. She also was spending a lot of time being quiet, when I noticed this I would sometimes talk to her, other times I would just let her be.Other times she appeared extremely aggravated.She would forget a lot of little things like, not turning off the lights when she was through, sometimes forgetting to turn the oven off. Sometimes I would find her lying on the floor or sitting somewhere in a very incoherent state. A few times she would have a series of seizures. Her mental capacities were deteriorating aggressively the last 6 months or more.She was really excited about traveling to see her father on his farm this coming springtime. She kept telling me he was in bad shape and she would like to see him before it gets too late. After hours of conversations with him this last few weeks…I find out he is not in as bad of shape than what I was led to believe. He is having some health problems and issues, but he tells me he is dealing with it and is relatively okay for now. He is not ready to go skydiving, but he is hanging in there.She wanted to see him before she left this earthly place, is what I believe.Last September her sister that was a year older than her 55, died suddenly of a heart attack. A week later the son of this sister couldn’t handle it and committed suicide. This physically shook my bride up quite considerably to the point of me telling her to have the doctors check her out. She thought me telling her to go see the doctor was odd, because she knew I didn’t have a lot faith in our healthcare system unless you are wealthy. But to give credit where credit is due, she had an excellent relationship with her doctors. These were basically the same doctors that were with her from the start, they always seemed to go the extra step for her, even when it came to the financial end of it. Many times there were little or no charges for some things.Through the course of the events, I’ve had to deal with many of the doctors and specialists on a one on one basis. The things they were talking to me about, verses what she was telling me weren’t quite the same.Our sons and myself have been talking about all these odd things we have been observing as of late.For what ever reason she kept this to herself, that is, if she was doing that… I will never know…Was it for the sake of me, was it for the sake of her, or was it for the sake of all of us. I will never know…only she knew…again, that is, if she was keeping it from us. But again…she wasn’t the same girl the last year or so, as she was before.I was there with her at the critical care unit, holding her hand as I watched her last heartbeat. The nurse had tears streaming down her cheeks as the monitor readings slowly went down. She asked me if she could come over to my side of the bed and give me a hug. I told her that I would take all the hugs I could get.As she was squeezing me she kept telling me what great guy I am. I told her you don’t even know me, except for the last three days, and how can you say that, and I’m not any of those things, I just am what I am and that is all that I am. She wiped some of the tears from her eyes and gave me another hug and said that is why you are such a terrific guy.Well I don’t know how terrific of a person I am…But I do know I have this huge hole in my heart that will take a long time to heal…if it ever will…and I know that I must let it heal…************Van Morrison - Moondance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsmF9JTpuI

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Comment #309 posted by Had Enough on July 03, 2010 at 21:55:01 PT

The four horseman
Aphrodite´s child-The four horsemanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=selfqEH-JnYAnd when the lamb opened the First seal,I saw the first horse.The horseman held a bow***Now when the lamb opened the Second seal,I saw the second horseThe horseman held his sword***The leading horse is whiteThe second horse is redThe third one is a black,The last one is a green***The leading horse is whiteThe second horse is redThe third one is a black,The last one is a green***And when the lamb opened the Third seal,I saw the third horse.The horseman had a balance***Now when the lamb opened the fourth seal,I saw the fourth horse.The horseman was the pest***The leading horse is whiteThe second horse is redThe third one is a black,The last one is a green***The leading horse is whiteThe second horse is redThe third one is a black,The last one is a green***The leading horse is whiteThe second horse is redThe third one is a black,The last one is a green
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Comment #308 posted by greenmed on June 07, 2010 at 11:38:09 PT

museman
I like it. Up `til my computer's last major upgrade, I was able to read your lyrics but not hear the tunes. I have your site bookmarked now -- I have some catching-up to do. Thanks for the music and the message.
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Comment #307 posted by Hope on June 07, 2010 at 10:55:10 PT

Museman
Thank you.It's sad, but very touching and beautiful. 
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Comment #306 posted by FoM on June 07, 2010 at 10:24:26 PT

Museman
Thank you so much. I love you man.
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Comment #305 posted by museman on June 07, 2010 at 10:15:30 PT

For My Friends
Released a few months ago, after 7 years....Dedicated to the Boomer generation.
Not Enough Care
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Comment #304 posted by FoM on August 13, 2009 at 17:18:58 PT

Afterburner
Woodstock Now and Then will be on VH1 tomorrow night and Monday night on the History Channel. It should be good. http://www.history.com/content/woodstock
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Comment #303 posted by afterburner on August 13, 2009 at 17:08:10 PT

'We must be in Heaven!'
Richie Havens "Freedom" Woodstock 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-d5x-CiTUsJefferson Airplane "Saturday Afternoon" Woodstock 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP77jXqjHlU&NR=1Joan Baez- We Shall Overcome (Woodstock 1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQiIZXkt2RMBert Sommer - "Jennifer", Woodstock 1969 (DVD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1pV8zRVaw&feature=relatedUnreleased Woodstock Footage: "Creedence Clearwater Revival - Born On The Bayou".
Short clip of very rare, never-been-seen footage from the original 1970 Oscar-winning documentary "Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace and Music" (Ultimate ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-zk_7BtSg&feature=fvsr
[Unfortunately, this is only a clip. I saw the whole song yesterday on The Mighty Q (Q107) before they took it down. Excellent! Bouncy energy. John Fogerty wasn't satisfied with the sound quality, so it didn't make it into the Woodstock movie.]

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Comment #302 posted by FoM on August 12, 2009 at 16:37:18 PT

Couple Became Part of Woodstock Legend
URL: http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=829317
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Comment #301 posted by FoM on August 12, 2009 at 16:21:56 PT

Afterburner
They found the couple that was on the cover of Woodstock and they did a piece on the Nightly News with Brian Williams. The couple married two years after Woodstock and are still married today.http://www.vinylrecords.ch/W/WO/Woodstock-USA/woodstock-usa-30.jpg
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Comment #300 posted by afterburner on August 12, 2009 at 15:17:22 PT

OT Woodstock: tribute, playlist, behind scenes
On Thursday, August 13th the Mighty Q rewinds time to 1969 at the 2009 Q107 Summer Bash! Q107’s annual win to get in summer party returns to the Sound Academy with a 40th Anniversary Tribute to the performers of Woodstock.Jimi Hendrix ... Janis Joplin ... Joe Cocker ... The Band ... Creedence Clearwater Revival ... Santana and more!It’s another Q107 Legends Of Classic Rock live tribute show!
  
The 2009 Q107 Summer Bash: A 40th Anniversary Tribute to the performers of Woodstock, exclusively from Classic Rock Q107!
http://www.q107.com/ConcertsandEvents/QSummerBash2009/Home.aspx
[page includes some youtubes of original Woodstock performances]Woodstock '69 Song List
http://www.woodstock69.com/Woodstock_songs.htm1969 Woodstock Festival & Concert - How Woodstock Happened
http://www.woodstock69.com/wsrprnt1.htm
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Comment #299 posted by afterburner on August 11, 2009 at 21:04:52 PT

Woodstock vs. The Dark Side
WARNING: The following link takes a very dark point of view of the 60's. Avoid it if you don't want to experience a "know your enemy" moment. The comments are good though. Forget Woodstock, Charles Manson was the real face of 1969. 
Murray Whyte.  Aug. 08, 2009. 
Nostalgia tells us 1969 was the height of hippiedom, when individualism, non-conformity and the creative impulse reigned. The dark underside of those ideals gave America a bloody jolt ...
http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/678160On a brighter, lighter note here are some pictures and nostalgic text to help us remember what made Woodstock special and who we were & what we tried to accomplish in those glorious years:Woodstock concert-goers on the roof of a VW in 1969
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090810/482/096822ef37cb47f58059e7125b84d88f/40 years later, Woodstock still fascinates. 
AP - Mon Aug 10, 3:00 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_woodstock40th

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Comment #298 posted by FoM on April 28, 2009 at 07:44:29 PT

Woodstock 1969 - Matthews Southern Comfort
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaEEj4J4ydY
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Comment #297 posted by museman on February 09, 2009 at 11:29:10 PT

inspiration comes at the weirdest times
COPS OF AMERICAWe are the cops of America,
The special elite,Better do what we say, 
‘cause we’re the kings of the street.We got a mandate from hell,
To secure Satan’s reign,And though the people have spoken,
And it causes us pain,To witness any liberty
other than our own,we think the concept of freedom
is way over blown.Better pay attention
To the rules of our game.‘cause once we get you in our system,
your life will never be the same.We’re the cops of America,
You better watch out,We’re gonna shoot you down,
If you dare to speak out.We just love this war,
That ‘ol Ronnie created,It gave us such power, 
we are over-inflated.And thanks to bushy criminals,
We got more rights than you,Unless you got lots of money, 
Then to you we are true blue.The economy may be busted,
But we’re stocked up for the war,With guns, cars, and armor,
And lots of money for more.We had to close the libraries,
So we could hoard the funds,And cut short education,
Gotta buy more guns.We’re the cops of America,
The people just don’t rate,We’re better than you,
And so is the state.We built lots of prisons,
To put the people in,Though the premise we use,
Might get a little thin.You have no constitution,
Its just paper to us,Of course most of us can barely read,
What’s all the fuss?All you liberals be damned,
It doesn’t matter who you elect,We’re Lucifers chosen,
It will have no effect.We’re the cops of America,
And we are never wrong. We’ll murder old ladies
Cause the neighbors smoked a bong.We’re the cops of America,
Do your hear that sound.It’s our siren of terror
as we race trough your town.No matter what we do,
We will always be cop,We’re the cops of America,’
Who’ll make us stop?LEGALIZE FREEDOM

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Comment #296 posted by FoM on January 07, 2009 at 10:58:07 PT

museman
I have always loved learning about Prophecy. It basically seems to be a warning to change our ways or we will have natural consequences of our actions if we don't. It's up to us. It requires us to look inside ourselves too. 
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Comment #295 posted by museman on January 07, 2009 at 10:23:57 PT

prophecy
In my life, I have known many modern prophets -all rejected by the status quo, and the left half of the 'scientific brain.' Some didn't survive past 30, and at least half of the survivors are viewed as 'crazy' or 'lunatic.' The other half have been discreet for long enough to seem semi 'normal' and lead fairly regular lives.I have studied prophecy from the Revelations to the Mayan Calendar, and met a few scholars of them along the way.Prophecy, contrary to popular belief is not some kind of edict from God about 'how the future is going to be.' In order to get a good understanding of the principles and intent of true prophecy, there are several variables and distinctions that have to be clarified and established.Prophecy is not 'divination' of the future, or some kind of 'clarivoyant' revelation of a fixed, unchangeable future, prophecy is a direct warning from God, a gift of understanding about the possible futures awaiting us.The intent and purpose of prophecy, is not to create fear and apprehension about tomorrow, but to embolden and motivate us today. If you have reasonable expectation that tomorrow will yield some undesirable results based on the decision one makes today, it is highly likely effort will be made to make the correct decision. If, however, you believe as religious doctrine would have you; that prophecy is some kind of inevitable 'judgement', unavoidable, and most certainly dire, you don't have a lot of motivation to make changes, what's the point?The intent of prophecy is to warn us. It is a signpost telling us that the bridge is out just ahead, or that, if there is a big storm, the bridge is likely to be washed out.When first I came into the awareness fo prophetic events and unfolding, my first perspective was one of expectation, and rigid interpretation of a planned future, already in progress. In my life I have had prophetic expectation of events several times (as have many others) that turned out completely different than my expectations, yet somehow, in retrospect, the parameters of the prophetic potentials were fulfilled. I have seen much prophecy fulfilled, and have reasonable expectation to see much more, but for me, or anyone else to claim to know the timetable -other than as a potential- is ridiculous.The greatest Prophet of them all (in my opinion) stated, in reference to prophecy of 'the end times' "No man knows the time, not even the Son of Man."Having witnessed a partial awakening -that I'd almost given up on- in the past few years I have rekindled my enthusiasm for that awakening, and with some hope, new expectations have come into my consciousness. I surely do expect some major eventualities to come about around the time of 2012, yet past experience has taught me to be more patient and observant, rather than speculative on the unknown (tomorrow.)Too many people live their lives expecting certain things to be done for them, like how God and Jesus will save us no matter how lazily we go about our spirituality. These people tend to view prophecy as doctrinized; a fixed, unchangeable future beyond their control or influence. These people are the fodder for an ignorant world, they fear, they fight, they force their way through 'law', and the fruit of their labor is an unending procession of misery and suffering for humanity and creation.Nostradamus, like many other 'prophets' was gifted with vision. The purpose of those visions was not to provide the tabloids with filler, or to give fear-mongering sensationalists a reference text to batter 'the fear of God' into minds and hearts, no the purpose, the reason Nostradamus wrote them down was to provide pre-eminent understanding as preparation for possible future events in the hope that some few wise men and women would utilize the information towards correcting error, instead of just laying down and accepting the inevitability the churches, and ruling factions wish us to. The fact that the information appears to be 'encrypted' -in prose and poetry- is merely protection to prevent reiteration, and therefore ensure that the content is delivered to those who can 'read between the lines' and get the information without it being transliterated into some kind of doctrinal interpretation.Prophecy is also a gift for those who suffer. It is a hopeful possibility of a better future, because at the end of all prophecy is the reconcilliation of God and Man, and the promise of all things good arriving in our reality at last. That is the intent of prophecy; to provide us with extra information to help us get over the hurdle and limitations of fear. The extent that one can believe (both positively and negatively) is the power that fuels the ability to change tomorrow today, or ensure that it doean't change at all -it is a choice, and prophecy is intended to help us make better informed choices for the future, not build fortresses to 'ride out armageddon' or create seperatist, judgemental religious cults that have agendas of perpetuating ignnorance instead of enlightenment.Plan for the future, live NOW!
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Comment #294 posted by FoM on January 05, 2009 at 09:48:34 PT

Nostradamus 2012
I thought this program was very good. I thought others might want to check it out. I am not afraid of the future but what might be ahead will be very interesting to me.***Whatever is in store--a massive cosmic collision, a global environmental disaster, an Armageddon-like religious showdown, or a more subtle transformation--many believe that December 21, 2012 will mark a major shift in the history of our planet. There is no cogent distinction between the sobering facts and hysterical fiction--what, if any, modern scientific proof exists? Is there any other compelling evidence throughout history that 2012 will be a year of unprecedented, deadly upheaval? This special looks for the parallels between the nightmarish daily headlines and the 2012 prophecies from Nostradamus and others. From the mystical realms of the Guatemalan jungles to the Hopi elders and Mayan shaman to respected thinkers of the modern age--Nostradamus' doomsday warning will be cast in a frighteningly modern context.Rating: TVPG Running Time: 120 minutes http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=399006
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Comment #293 posted by museman on December 29, 2008 at 10:18:37 PT

afterburner
You make about the umpteenth person to compare some of my perspective to the Celestine Prophecies. I do remember trying to read them, but coudn't get interested for some reason. Maybe it's time to try again. Thanks for the reminder.
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Comment #292 posted by afterburner on December 27, 2008 at 03:00:51 PT

museman #289
"I have seen the power of collective consciousness. Within that lies the potential to provide everything, and more, that 'technology' is said to provide us now -without the corrupted aspects, and in complete harmony with all of nature around us."This is one of the major themes in James Redfield's Celestine Prophecy book series. The various books are written as fiction, but the characters have revealing spiritual experiences that point the reader to dynamic possibilities of an abundant future. If humankind can only raise their consciousness beyond the fear-oriented death cults and media posers, we can share and enjoy such a blessed world as the Creator intended.
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Comment #291 posted by afterburner on December 27, 2008 at 02:27:44 PT

museman #285
"Freedom comes to those who take it up, not to those who wait for it to be delivered."We have a saying in Canadian cannabis circles (possibly attributed to David Malmo Levine): "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission." [for doing unapproved acts of freedom]

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Comment #290 posted by Mahakal on December 26, 2008 at 20:34:44 PT

Consciousness
Here is the truth. We are all one shared consciousness. You read these words and my consciousness enters your perception, as your words enter mine, we are one.atha yoga anusasanamyogash chitta vritti nirodhatada drastuh svarupe avasthanamvritti sarupyam itaratra
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Comment #289 posted by museman on December 26, 2008 at 13:27:11 PT

Had Enough
"I cannot see a one single way to bring the world to where it belongs. It will take a combination of things"I understand what you are saying, however, just going with the surface meaning, I can say that there is 'one single way' -its called consciousness. In my perception no matter what you throw at human unconsciousness; money, technology, etc., without the consciousness there to recieve and use correctly, it is a waste. Getting enough of the population to conscious levels of being is the real trick, and that will definitely take 'a combination of things,' and not all of them are in our hands and control."Mankind has evolved technology to a point where it can be very beneficial to all of mankind, so why not use it and help it evolve even more. It’s here and it isn’t going to go away. As long as it is being used for good and instead of disastrous power control trips, I am all for it."Here is where I depart from 100% agreement.Let me break it down further; I personally have discovered a greater, more potent, sytem and technology potentially of more benefit -not just to man, but to the entire living planet, as well as the local universe. The Living Creation -just the parts that we can see-reveals an intelligent design and function -a living, organic system, that is far beyond our current understanding, and as sophisticated, intricate, and 'complicated' as any system invented by man.When I attempt to list the 'benefits' of technology, they all come with a dark side, a bad side-effect. It seems that technology has bettered us, we live longer...I just sat here for a few minutes trying to find another 'benefit' of technology that isn't outflanked by waste, destruction, human suffering, and the continuing control of the elite who deem who is worthy to recieve the benefits of their wonderful technology...couldn't do it.There is one thing that I can see that benefits us in the long run; Everything technological, is but a synthesised copy of the organic original. As technology gets more refined in its emulation of nature, we begin to get a better undersanding of nature. For example; computers, and the internet.The computer is very closely modelled on the faculties of mind, and brain -I, for one, in gaining understanding of how a computer worked as a system, I gained insight into the workings of the mind and brain.As the internet blossomed I got a conceptual understanding of another network that has been around a long long time, but denied by the very 'science' that emulates it. There are names for that network; 'Akasha, Astral Plane' and others I am not aware of.The parallel between the two systems, one organic, the other devised, is in my perception, striking.The irony of the situation does not pass me by.However, here is the bottom line as I understand it; technology itself is a symptom of deep denial. Originally there was a plan to integrate mankind into the earth matrix, and if that plan had been followed, by now our abilities to use the faculties of own nature, as well as nature at large would make the 'modern age' look like the early dawn of man. But that didn't happen.The beings that are partly revealed in zeitgeist -by the historical effects -, false authority, false spirituality, false knowledge, are the ones responsible for propagating technology- as a replacement system that THEY COULD CONTROL.I thoroughly understand that this particular knowledge is suppressed and denied by all that is considered status quo. It is to be expected that the truth about the ruling class be kept from common knowledge.At the time that I recieved this information, I was a 'rising star' in the Rainbow. The understanding that all works of mans hands -except that which aids in providence - the physical sharing of substance, and the renderings of art and music, is vain, hit me hard. I had an electric rock 'n roll band. The realization that all my tools were the result of fallen technology made me (temporarily) give up music. I tried to give away all my instruments, but there were some, wiser than I at the time that prevented it.As time, and further prayer and investigation ensued, I realized that technolgy, though invented by the Nephalim (for reasons which go way too far into sci-fi like aspects to try and explain here -I go into it more in my book "What is real-part 1" available on my site.) is like so many aspects of corruption taken up by the children of God, and turned into socially beneficial tools. "Swords into plows."I realized that, though we as a race have fallen far from our intended state, and in my vision we were likened to a pile of moldy-rotten rags (compared to what we could have been) making the best of the situation is one of the things that makes humanity great, and makes the angels jealous. Arranging that pile of rags into art is what the best of us is doing in the world.I realized that when it comes time to dismantle the machine, a screwdriver works better than a rock.Primitivism, contrary to status quo 'science' is not the 'natural' state of man. That is a condition brought on by the usurpation of the Garden by fallen beings. The fact that, if tomorrow our infrastructure collapsed -globally- many many people would 'revert' to primitivism, not because it 'is in their natures' but because they have been kept so far from true knowledge of their own abiities within the framework and systems of Creation, they have no connection with their natural foundation, therefore they would have no idea what to do, or where to go. So they'd live in caves making stone tools and such.I took anthropology in college, so I understand how the 'modern scientific mind' tends to reject such perspective, but my personal experience and source-knowledge has established it pretty solidly within my awareness.Thusly, I have had to accept the fallen technology, and attempted to use it -like a screwdriver- for the purpose of expanding the consciousness it will take to get us collectively back on the path we had been on before the kings and princes started assimilating us -like the Borg in Star Trek- into their systems of conquest and control. The wise men, the 'prophets' were almost all murdered, As 'religion' gained control in our mass consciousness, fear and loathing replaced faith and belief in the actual existing systems of nature, and magic nearly died.The slow evolution of consciousness was stopped nearly dead in its tracks. In my mind it wasn't until Buddha and Yashua that we even began to turn around.I enjoy comfort, and personally prefer living in a house with electricity (though I prefer solar, or wind) than living in a cave, with only a fire to stare at for entertainment. However that doesn't prevent me from striving to return to the path of Creation, and I certainly can't defend the error.I have tapped into the global network of consciousness, so I know it is real. I have seen what scientists refer to as 'physics' defied, and that it is not as 'fixed and unmutable' as they'd like us to believe. And I had witnesses. I have seen the power of collective consciousness. Within that lies the potential to provide everything, and more, that 'technology' is said to provide us now -without the corrupted aspects, and in complete harmony with all of nature around us.How long it will take to get there is anyones guess. I believe we are on the threshold, indeed, across the threshold of that consciousness right now, and at the rate things are excellerating, 2012 may very well be the turning point that so many are expecting.Improving on the technology that we have, to make it less damaging to our environment, and accessible to everyone, not just the economicly blessed, is acceptable to me - as long as a substantial effort is recognized as necessary, and made to re-integrate our consciousness with that of the Earth, and its systems, because that is where we are heading -have been all along, but with the constraints and conditions of cntrolled societies (by the Nephalim and their progeny) we have been making little progress.In other words, if intuitive interface with natural, organic systems is focussed on at least as much as technology, then I am happy, because I know that ultimately the power and gifts of our own stifled natures far outshines that of the technolgy of the fallen. And when mankind gets the opportunity to view all his options, I am quite confident that most will choose reality over contrivance.I am sure that I didn't cover everything, but I hope I've given some understanding into my reasoning, and that you see that I am not an 'enemy of technology' but an advocate of a better one.I cannot however support the concept that technology is in any way a solution in itself, and must point out that without consciousness, technology -as we know it- is inherently destructive.

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Comment #288 posted by museman on December 25, 2008 at 22:54:33 PT

Had Enough
I just had to post to let you know that that little line "Who would you ask for help..." was intended as a joke. lol. I guess it's kind of an old one. It's a 'west coast' joke from the '70's. Don't think I disagree with your breakdown of it one bit, though.further response perhaps tomorrow.....
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Comment #287 posted by Had Enough on December 25, 2008 at 20:22:50 PT

Question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8YFZJK3argTuesday is good too…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLWBhNW3FM

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Comment #286 posted by Had Enough on December 25, 2008 at 20:14:40 PT

‘Addendum’
No responses from your inquiry to them can speak volumes to some.Perception: I cannot see a one single way to bring the world to where it belongs. It will take a combination of things. I’m watching these forces unfold all around us as you are too. The Venus Project I see as just a small part of it. It’s concept can be used for a better mankind, but also it too has some the same flaws that could be used against mankind for the enrichment of a few, but not as many as we see now with our current Ponzi Schemes of power. The Vail will be thinner, and not as many of them. The concept of the Venus Project I do not feel can ever replace our true spiritualities, that is something that is implanted in our hearts and minds, it’s in all of us, some just recognize it more of it than others do.Yes some can probably get so tied up in it that they will be distracted and lose contact with themselves and others around them, just as it is now. It is far from perfect. As you have stated and so rightly correct: ““There is only one safe place to be, and that is CONSCIOUSNESS. You cannot get enough money to build that, if that were the case it would have been built long ago. But money is not for the building of consciousness; it is for the control of consciousness. Any solution that requires money to achieve consciousness, is just digital snake-oil salesmen.””Mankind has evolved technology to a point where it can be very beneficial to all of mankind, so why not use it and help it evolve even more. It’s here and it isn’t going to go away. As long as it is being used for good and instead of disastrous power control trips, I am all for it.Using safe natural resources like solar, wind, and tidal energy, rather than sulfur spewing products sound real good to me. Maybe those points it makes are standing out to me more than the lack of detail with the religious issues.Another concept in the second movie I liked was the idea of having devices in cars with a mechanism triggered by a pendulum so that when a drunk or otherwise physically/mentally impaired driver gets behind the wheel and senses erratic operation, it automatically slows down the vehicle, steers it to the side of the road and shuts it down. That’s a lot better than having that person crash causing, property damage and harm to humans. It’s better than having that person arrested, thrown in jail with taxpayers footing the bill for all the costs. Jail doesn’t stop the problem, it might stop some, but in the long run the desired result isn’t effective as the automatic shutdown sequence concept would be. And we have that technology available right now, why not use it. I think Mad Mothers should be supporting that instead of what they do now. Like the movie says-politicians can’t solve problems, all they can do is make laws and throw/squander money at it.Also it doesn’t matter how high tech the world gets, we will still have to grow food, and that takes seeds, air, water, and light. It also takes care from humans to do this; therefore humans will always have a connection with nature one way or another, regardless of the power elite attempts to snuff it out, that is… as long as humans are still around.The religious part I don’t see at this point as something they are trying to tear down completely, but I do see how some could see it in that fashion. To me it looks like they are trying to show how false religions have and are currently doing far more harm than good. But I too notice the lack of spiritualism with guarded suspicion. More evidence is needed for me to speculate further. I do wish they had gone into further detail. Maybe the next movie they might show their hand. I was also hoping they would reply to your questions and maybe shed a little light on the subject too.You asked; if I were to be broken down on the Golden Gate Bridge and needed help, whom I would ask, a cop, or a hippie?Well that would depend on the cop and the hippie and who they really are. I know cops, hippies, rednecks, bikers, musicians, homeless people, rich people, not so rich people, young people, old people, and some in between all of these. In each one of these so-called ‘groups’, through these eyes, I find that people are people, some good, some bad, and some questionable. And others I find get/got ‘rained out’, long before I ever met them.I’ve been ripped off, lied at, and abused by longhaired hippies, cops, bikers, rednecks, musicians, and both rich and poor people. And on the flip side of that I have had very good experiences with others of the same ‘groups’, the ones I find least trustful are those with a severe lack of respect for their surroundings and those of excessive material wealth, regardless of which ‘group’ they are in, or try to associate themselves with. When I see people trying to approach me as a person, I give up much more air time to them, as opposed to people that associate themselves by using a shield to knowingly or even unknowingly hide themselves whether they consciously realize it or not. I cannot trust someone just because of the costume they wear. When I see the costume they wear, I try to see if really fits them well. However I have and still do tend to end up placing trust errantly (fooled again) and that has left me really guarded as far as faith in most people.I have more but I must put it to rest for now.I certainly appreciate your comments on the ‘Addendum’ and I will keep those thoughts with me in future ‘reviews’ of my own. Thank you for that and your time spent to do it.Today as you know, starts the new year, and I wish you a good, happy, and healthy New Year to come.Peace..

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Comment #285 posted by museman on December 23, 2008 at 13:49:14 PT

the way
of the future is the now. No amount of planning for the future is insured. Love has no time limit, no interest rates, and no contracted stipulations (irregardless of some religious beliefs to the contrary).Tommorrow never comes. Today is already here. To build a future, one must live it today.To stipulate conditions today, on how 'tommorrow' can only come about if those conditions are met is like creating a tapestry of lies, that has to be readjusted, patched, and touched up to keep the lie afloat. The lie is maintained, and those who use the lie to gain status in the world through conscientious use of the infrastructure of the lie, live a comfortable, opulent life in spiritual stasis, while campaigning mightily to uphold the lie.Thinking for ones self is taboo, even though the mainstream likes to go on about 'individuality.' What they are really talking about is not individuality, but attempting to defend their greed, posession, and avarice.If you do think for yourself, you find yourself immediately at odds with the power-elite, and if they find out, you become an enemy, and often labeled 'criminal.'In that article afterburner directed me to, this line;" Our inborn gifts of emotional intelligence and intuition have been usurped by group think, mass negligence, blinded conformity, corporate pseudo-science and lack of true awareness. "is full of substance, like a compressed package waiting to be opened and expanded, like a flower bulb waiting for spring.These gifts are accessable NOW! Not in some hypothetical future set of circumstances carefully crafted by clever humans. But how can one access thes faculties if they do not believe in them? That's the catch-22 the status quo banks on in every generation.This is why I am always going on about the errors of compromise and capitulation, because they're just fixes for the tapestry, and maintenance of the lie.Freedom is an inherent gift, a fact of our existence, not a taxable, regulateable, artifact handed out the chosen ones of the status quo. One cannot petition the master for freedom from being posessed, because the posession itself is not real, it is an invention of the mind of evil men. Freedom is as simple as a choice. And everyone has those choices every day, every minute, and every hour. True, the forces that seek to maintain control have weapons, armed gangs roaming the streets and countryside, and quite often one who attempts personal liberty finds the odds overwhelming. Caution is always recommended, but fear will kill your freedom faster than anything.Freedom comes to those who take it up, not to those who wait for it to be delivered.
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Comment #284 posted by museman on December 23, 2008 at 13:04:41 PT

afterburner
100% on that! Five ways to change the world.#1. Increasing awareness.#2. Respect for all.#3. Release of fear.#4. Universal knowledge.#5. Unconditional Love.Not taught in schools. Not upheld in the workplace. Not evident, or existent in governments and politics. Only one of them is spoken of in religion, but rarely practiced. Not part of requirements and/or qualification for public leaders and cops, especially cops.These qualities and faculties of human reality are held as far away from common knowledge and practice as the various social, religious, economical, political, academic, and professional institutions (created, funded, and maintained by the status quo elite) can manage.Thanx for the link... 
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Comment #283 posted by Had Enough on December 23, 2008 at 09:02:52 PT

Time...
keeps on slipping into the future...museman I saw your post and will reply. My favorite niece is in town from New York and we spent some time last night. She told me she might stay one more day so if she is still here I’m going to try to see her again today in between this insidious daily grind I’m dealing with.Please bear with me…SeeYhaa real soon.************In the meantime try this one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb9By-lODgk

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Comment #282 posted by afterburner on December 23, 2008 at 07:54:30 PT

museman
Here's an article you might like, brother:Knowledge for a Revolution: Five Ways to Change the World. 
Friday, December 19, 2008 by: Dr. Gregory Damato, Ph.D., citizen journalist.
See all articles by this author.
Email this author.
Key concepts: Food, Health and Disease 
http://www.naturalnews.com/025126.html
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Comment #281 posted by FoM on December 22, 2008 at 11:29:10 PT

museman
Good song. As we walk thru life it is hard to avoid all the static but we can. Once I am checked on something I might try one or two more times but that's it. My first impression usually stays with me. If something really confuses me I stop. My spirit leads me I suppose.
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Comment #280 posted by museman on December 22, 2008 at 11:02:03 PT

FoM
" When someone says or implies there is no God aren't they putting themselves in a position of being a god? "Now that is an insightful statement.To be so ignorant as to presume ones own divinity -as a physically attainable thing, like through science, is certainly not being wholisticly honest with all the information available. What always gets me, is how someone can view this planet, its wonderful, intricate, sophisticated systems -far beyond our abilities to completely understand- and the universe itself and still deny the existence of a greater being than themselves.And this line; "I didn't watch it long enough to figure out what the purpose was for condemning religion." sums up my basic problem related to the integrity and credibility of the message or information. The people who need to know this information are the ones encapsulated and bound within it, if you alienate them by callously throwing ALL, not just the obviously BS parts, or their beliefs out the window.... People don't change their stripes that easily.The reason why the movie excited me so much, is because I recieved almost identical information about 25 years ago from a spiritual source. That information wasn't being widely excepted by my peers, in fact at the time I recieved it, I was warned that few would understand.The essence of the message about religion is partly known considering the Catholic Church, but the realization that religion is not a guide but a shackle really needs to be driven home. The total mythologizing of Yashua -done through the Roman Church- is an unfortunate fact, one that leaves true seekers on their own -in terms of having any kind of spiritual community -like a 'church' is supposed to be. Religion is a BLIND GUIDE. Now I'm pretty sure you know that I seperate distinctly 'religion' and 'spirituality.' The Truth in the form of Sacred Scriptures -that includes th Bible- is heavily tainted with the doctrines of centuries of domination by the Elite Ruling Class (Nephalim) and one must have and use discernment to actually see the shining truth in the midst of the dross.The treatment of Yashua, or I should say the lack of it, by the authors of the movie was the first 'flag' that went up for me. I was willing to let it past, considering that the information, though incomplete, was as far as my experience and study goes, pretty close to the truth. The second movie establishes the atheistic prespective of the author/s. Atheists aren't much different than established religions, in that they believe their perspective to be the only valid one. I thought I might just edit out the messenger, and supply my own personal touch as an alternative, but its just too much work for too little results. Better just to follow their own example and trash the whole thing. I really wanted to support this thing, because the information (specially related to my own visionary experiences) I feel real strongly about. I'm still holding it out at arms length trying to decide whether to let it completely go or not. If I let it go, then it almost automatically goes into my list of spiritual antagonists, because I can't just ignore such falseness, I have to address it on some level.SO here's an appropriate song, posted before no doubt. Live, complete with all my mistakes and stumbles. One of the last times our family band played together.
Dead Religions
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Comment #279 posted by FoM on December 22, 2008 at 06:40:53 PT

museman
I didn't watch it long enough to figure out what the purpose was for condemning religion. (I know the history of the catholic church ) I figured that out long ago on my own. It almost seemed like the person who made the movie doesn't want people to believe in God. When I see things like that a red flag goes up. When someone says or implies there is no God aren't they putting themselves in a position of being a god? If a person is an atheist I won't try to convincve them that there is a god either.
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Comment #278 posted by museman on December 21, 2008 at 20:42:16 PT

FoM
I believe I understand what you mean, however I think 'steering', or 'guiding' can be a good thing. Presuming to know (and comparatively 'judge') another's direction is the error, and forcing a 'way' on another without their consent and agreement is the source of corruption and beginning of damage for all concerned.Many people find their guides in things, records of past experiences, myths, hopes, dreams, in fact anything that can be used as a personal talisman to 'get you through the night' can be a 'guide.' I am not going to qualify what are 'good' guides, as opposed to 'not-so-good' guides, that is, I'm confidently sure, quite obvious to you.But those little flags that spoil all the best imaginings, like the little clues that the noises you heard on xmas eve weren't santa and his reindeer on the roof, like believing in a generation that would rise to consciousness, only to witness it bought and sold for a fistful of dollars, like believing in anything only to have it dashed to the ground with the final drop of the other shoe, ah those nasty little flags. I hate 'em. The hidden agendas, and the laughably not so hidden ones. Zeitgeist is supposed to mean "spirit of the times." In that respect, the first movie fulfils that statement. The problem is not the information, but the agenda, or potential of an agenda of the messenger -which to my mind seems to be revealed in the 'addendum.' Any information is only as good as the integrity of the intent of the author, or informer. How could one give much credibility ot the writings and philosophies of Hitler after the crap done in his quest for power? Only twisted control freaks like cops, meth heads, and white supremists (as far as I know.) Integrity is unfortunately not the same as 'credible' however, so a lot of information that if known and understood on a national, and global basis were judged on the basis of its 'integrity' versus its 'credibility' that knowledge might change the situation in some very positive ways, but when the delivery of the information has those annoying flags and strings attached to it...it becomes not only less credible, but the integrity of the intention behind it comes into question as well. I have seen cults. They exist in all strata of life, and go by many names and labels. They all consist of a central figure who is made a literal object veneration and worship, manifested quite often in various sexual dominance (subjugation of women), and who has some great 'answer' to the cosmic question, or some 'way' to 'make a better future.' etc, etc, etc.They often attract the lost and guilt-ridden children of the wealthy, getting them to 'donate' as much as they can 'to the cause.'When information comes to the front of everyones view, it is usually much more successfully delivered without being attached to connotative, cult-like 'addendums'. Information, or knowledge, with the exception of personal stuff, should be open for public review, and it should be delivered as the gift of information without agenda, or personal opinions. Opinions are valid in the growth of an idea, but not in the delivery of information (in my opinion;-)>
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Comment #277 posted by FoM on December 21, 2008 at 18:05:07 PT

Museman
I don't want to interrupt but Consciousness is very important to what I do and believe. I tried to watch the movie a couple of times and didn't make it very far. I felt a sense of trying to empty my mind to put in something else but I didn't understand what the purpose was. I sent my youngest niece, who has advanced lung cancer, flowers for Christmas. She called from the nursing home to thank me. We talked for over an hour and the conversation was exactly what I knew it should be and we both made good memories. That's the stuff that guides me. If a movie or a person tries to steer me in any other direction a red flag goes up. 
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Comment #276 posted by museman on December 21, 2008 at 17:33:06 PT

Had Enough
To begin the conversation, I'll address the question of a reply or response of some kind, and there has been zilch -which is on par with my expectations after viewing the second movie. I suppose I could try again, but I am sure that my query wouldn'tbe quite as complimentary as my first (I made it before I had time to sleep on it).Here is the bottom line; the claim that 'modern' technology is the only solution to the human problem is absolutely missing the point. I do not believe in 'technology' any more than I believe in any other religion, including politics and the money-god. I do not believe that any compromise with the truth is anything other than a band-aid solution, the kind our polits like to apply liberally at our taxable expense. I do believe that the only true, and substantial solution to the human problem -and lets face it, nature is not, and never was the problem, just the way we have made our reality the true 'hostile reality'- lies within consciousness.The solution is in consciousness, and let me define my meaning of 'consciousness;' (for those who need it)...Consciousness is becoming in full possession of ones mental, intuitive, imaginative, and cognitive faculties - using more than 5% -10% of our faculties. It is synonymous with 'enlightenment.' Consciousness is the state of full awareness of ones' being, and the place that one shares with many living things. Consciousness is the only faculty capable of percieving the 'Truth,' because that perception is freed from the binders of past, failed attempts to attain it (religions) and renewed on a daily basis. Consciousness is the only solution, because only when we achieve some kind of higher collective agreement, is there going to be any of the changes and evolution hoped for and talked of for eons. There is no way to force change, through any device, or invention -like the nuclear bomb- for example, oh yeah it forced change alright.WIthin creation, is a design and function that 'scientists' have observed, measured, catalogued, and attempted to emulate with the result being what we refer to as 'technology.' As consciousness begins to dawn, there comes a point where one realizes that reality is a participatory experience, and kharma and relativity -in the living, breathing of being, begins to make sense. The depth and breadth of Creation has not even been once observed by the 'scientists' who are all 'on the outside looking in', but it is mere numerical syntax vibrating at a measured speed of light and gravity. Creation is the 'technology' that we should be embracing. It is our denial of our true nature in relation to the Earth -specific within the social/technological separation of 'modern' infrastructures from natural, pre-existing technologies of this LIVING REALITY- that is the root cause of all our ecological problems, and a 'solution' that claims more of the same; a 'better mousetrap' concept, is no solution at all.The transition from medieval use and abuse of resource for the benefit of the few can only occur through consciousnesss. You cannot TEACH consciousness, you can only teach axioms. You cannot build a fortress of peace and prosperity, contrary to those many medieval belief/thinking patterns that are now reaching their dead ends, you can only achieve peace and prosperity through global agreement -on a level of shared consciousness -not paper contracts and treaties.There are many references found here and there, to 'communities of light' and 'lightworkers.' I personally have been watching and waiting (on one level of consciousness) for evidence of these, while attempting to be there myself, my participatory experiences predominantly within nature have gained me much insight into what I adamantly believe is 'true reality.'These communites of light already exist. I know of at least 3 I have found in this country. There are undoubtedly a lot more in the most unlikely places. I can almost guarantee that this 'venus project' is nowhere in the neighborhood, but I could be wrong. I can say this with absolute certainty; It couldn't possibly be a community I would want to be part of, while the world burned around me. I don't want the world to burn, I don't want 90% of what is happening in the world to happen. Didn't want it over 40 years ago, and a lot has happened in that category. Because I didn't, I set out in stark contrast to the disco yuppie (of my generation) to try and do something about it.Everyone always says to me: "Not enough money." "Got to have funding." "This society would crumble without it." etc. Well I've been replying for over 40 years; "If that's what you believe is true, then you make it conditional for you, but why force that condition on those who don't believe it?" I know that my life comes from the Creator of Universes, not any agency, chapter or legislation of government. My sustenance also comes from that very same benefactor, yet almost everyone I know BELIEVES that money is the only way to get fed, that the economic supply-and-demand infrastructure that supplies the industrial workforce who are the backbone of a functional social structure such as we have; pyramidal, is the only way of living on this planet. The idea of building some kind of isolated city on the ocean somewhere that could 'weather the storm' that is predicted and felt by many at this point, is ludicrous. There is only one safe place to be, and that is CONSCIOUSNESS. You can not get enough money to build that, if that were the case it would have been built long ago. But money is not for the building of consciousness, it is for the control of consciousness. Any solution that requires money to achieve consciousness, is just digital snake-oil salesmen.When the TRUE value of consciousness reaches at least a balance with the false values of posession (and 'having' is an OK thing, as long as the willingness and conscious desire to share is attached to it like an irremovable tag) then the true 'top of the mountain' will have been reached that we've been struggling towards for maybe up to 10,000 years.The idea that any, and/or ONLY a special group of people (special by any determinate means of comparative qualification) should get the opportunity -solely based on monetary contribution, is a song I've heard sung by many charlatans.I was so glad to have seen the information out there in the way that it was, at least with the first rendering, I felt quite vindicated that finally someone else was stating it who wasn't being rejected out of hand, and it joyfully made me realize that another generation aside from the scarce few of my own was coming into consciousness.Now, having seen the second movie, I have this dark suspicion that the intent is really to discredit the information, like so many other 'nearly-the-truth-but-too-weird' scenarios floating like clouds in the virtual sky.The thought occurred to me, that there is one source of this information and knowlege (not directly addressed or revealed in either zetgeist or addendum) that would account for the concise arrangement of the information, and that would be the actual Nephalim, who have had this knowlege, in fact historicly created a lot of it (as referred to in the movie as being done by "Royal Bloodlines").At any rate, and a this point in time, I remain both disappointed, and offended at what I currently percieve.The only way I could support this rendering of partial truth at this point would be for them to address the issues and answer my own query -for starters. Otherwise the potential for confusion is just as great as the potential for enlightenment, and I know a bit about the authors of confusion, I am by nature and choice enemical to them.As far as the DVD goes, I guess I'm kinda asking to put it on hold until I have better resolution/understanding about it. I shouldn't have to review it (I've shown it to my kids about 4 times, so I kinda got a review there) to find something that is really not there. I surely do appreciate your intent, and thinking of me enough to point me towards it. I don't want to disparage that.I'm open for further discussion. In fact, you might say that my online presence has been diminished lately due to a large extent of the let-down of that scenario, which has been followed by other let-downs, like a cascade effect.PEACE, If you were broke down on the Golden Gate bridge and needed help, who would you ask, a cop, or a hippie?

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Comment #275 posted by museman on December 21, 2008 at 12:17:20 PT

Had Enough
Apparently I didn't see this post. I started to reply, but microsoft got the better of me and decided to delete my text. Happens way too often.Any way, I got to hazard a trip over the pass for last minute xmas stuff, so I won't be able to post until later today. I do want to discuss this with you. Check back later this eve...peace
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Comment #274 posted by Had Enough on December 21, 2008 at 07:31:04 PT

The Movie
Did you hear from them yet? I’d be interested in their responses.I’ve watched the movie about a dozen times. Each time I picked up something that I missed due to distractions and Iliked it more every time.I think a resourced based economy is more in tune with nature than what we have now…Although there certainly going to be flaws in it as well.The first time around when I saw Jacque Fresco appear in the movie I too had raised eyebrows, and I also had thoughts about why did they ruin the movie with this guy. Until I heard him out several times. He even mentions that it is not a perfect system, but it is still a giant leap forward. The more I watched, the more I understood the concept.At first I had visions of the movie Demolition Man dancing through my thoughts. With the high tech cities and the power elitists running things behind the scene. I was thinking that certainly someone could not resist the temptation for the greed of power and try the same old funny business behind the curtains.But I do believe with that type of system, elitism will be curtailed to an extent that it will be harder for those people to hide.  After all there will be no money or all the other goodies that come with it like bankers, stock brokers, advertisement companies, no management pukes, politicians, excessive laws and their enforcers, all these different religions and beliefs and imaginary boundary lines that separate society so on and so forth.I checked out the website, it contained some stuff that made me wary too. Like the pictures with the helicopter. I thought who is this guy, and what kind of control freak he might be. It appeared that all he wanted to do was sell books and DVD’s on his website. But I concluded, yes is a wealthy man, but it appears he is using at least some of his wealth to help societies. I don’t see him profiting from his project. I’m sure he has spent much more on it than he has received. His property in Florida is for sale for about a half-million dollars. That sounds high but in the money world is it worth more than that with all the buildings and workshops on it, along with the landscaping and generators to boot. In California that would sell for 3 to 4 times that amount. If the sales market of today wasn’t so trashed out, that property would have been sold by now.There was a mention to the arts as well although very brief. As an example he mentioned being in that type of system, if you enjoyed painting pictures you would be happy to give it to someone else to share instead of selling it for money. Now I take that example and apply it to all arts including our favorite…music…I’m thinking he just didn’t cover as much as we would have liked in the flick.In a resourced based economy people will do what they enjoy. That is their contribution to society. Have you ever watched a good chef do his work? Labor that he enjoys…It’s amazing. I know people who love to build things, construction work, I’m one of them, and I’ve been around plenty that do love the work, but dislike the micro (make more money) management part of it that requires them to do lesser of a job so that it is done faster and cheaper. I’ve met plenty that are really really really really good at it. Most people enjoy many things that they do, but in our rat race money-grubbing society takes too much love away from it, and in turn makes it a burden of labor. Very un-enjoyable at that point. Things have changed in the last decade or longer. Today’s so called construction workers wouldn’t make a pimple on an old school carpenters, electricians, roofers, plumbers and etc…butts. They are trained to get it done as soon as possible using the fastest techniques using cheaper materials. Once again the money hiders the quality of the workers workmanship. In these times they very seldom learn to do it proper in the first place.Remember…a person who enjoys what they do will never work a day in their life.I saw quite a few references to nature as well. It had scenes of crops growing and other visualizations of nature as the movie were trying to explain things.God, yes there is a God/Great Spirit/Creator. I’ve experienced/witnessed many things that tell me so. Their reference to religions were to show how out of one, many were created by greedy men for social control/elitism/power/money and how societies abuse each other using the name of God/The Lord/Jesus/Allah/Abraham or what ever someone wants to name their god.In my view there is only ONE, and a world divided making war on itself is no religion/church at all. With all these different religions going on around the world it separates us from the trueness of the ONE. I think that was what the movie was referring to, and trying to stress that point.I too wished to have seen more detail in the arts and more clarification of their references to religion, but I will give the benefit of the doubt to them. Maybe they left some of it out for editing purposes, or maybe they felt that they were going into too much detail and would distract MOST people, that I am not sure of, and yes I see a red flag there, but still I will give what they have said some credence.The reference to the painting is   1:29:40Reference to Natural Resources   1:13:37Too many more references that I would like to be specific on so I will leave it at that for now, except that I will ask you to review the movie further.The second DVD has arrived; if you want it I will send them, just let me know. I would be very pleased for you to have it and share it with as many as possible. Both of these movies have a much higher resolution than the one you see streamed over the internet, the first one… more so.Imagine - John Lennonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg*****************

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Comment #273 posted by museman on November 20, 2008 at 13:47:55 PT

Had Enough
Hold the DVD.I just watched the zeitgeist addendum, and my disappointment just sank my enthusiasm.Flags started going up as soon as 'the venus project' entered the info stream.I did some cursory investigation, which led me to a series of dead ends -their 'movement' site is barely functional, and, ultimately some investigation of the venus project itself.I don't know if you noticed the distinct absence of any reference to 'true' spirituality as opposed to the false spirituality that is exposed in zeitgeist, or consideration to organic solutions, rather than technological.There are some gaping holes in this scenario and plan. And the fact that 80% of the world population is in the reject box of zeitgeist, is certainly a biggie.The idea that it is necessary to gather funds (money that zetgeist claims -and rightly so- is actually non-existent, and without value, or any literal redeeming qualities) to build some 'new' city that is all teched out, is also a bit suspicious. Add to it the fact that only a 'select few' get to participate, doesn't lend a lot of credence to the idea of eliminating the elite classes. In fact the delivery of the concept is done in a very elitist environment. Money, comfort, and a probable lifestyle of never getting hands dirty in some kind of earthy interface just leaps out from the scene.As much as I'd like to put away my observations and revelations for a more concisely compiled publication similar to zeitgeist, I am afraid that the zeitgeist option is fast heading towards my trashcan.I will allow them to give me feedback on my queries, I contacted them yesterday with a couple of questions. Lets see how they answer them. My inutition tells me that I won't like the answers. And since their perspective doesn't seem to give credence to organic technology, but only the things that man creates, I am also relatively sure that their response to my claim of intuitive preception will be to invalidate and lump it in with their wholesale rejection of all things 'religious' and apparently spiritual as well.You see, the problem is, that this is appearing more and more to be a totally left-brained concept, leaving literally half of our reality out in the cold. There is no reference to art and music as the powerful tools that they are, only a continuing reference to technology as 'the only solution.' The fact that technology is an inferior copy of the natural, creation design and technology, and not really the right direction for consciousness is being missed here, and that is a biggie for me.I would like to see some survival of our technolgy as we make the transition to a higher consciousness, but to claim it as 'the new savior' and I'm sorry, but zeitgeist, by being secular in its offer of solution, is only creating more division and confusion when part of the truth is revealed, and then another fantasy put in its place. Thats been done enough times already. Here is Truth;God exists. The arrogant assumption that this reality is all a happenstance evolution of random chemical combinations is one with a disctinct lack of natural logical, observation of living nature -not just the dissection of dead parts of it (science).True, the 'nature' and aspects of 'God' are not 'known' with the same finite conclusions as technology, or evolution theory, and some of that knowlege of God has been provided by science, when put in proper context and perspective, but the fact that a computer programmer -for instance- can whiz through all manner of digital functions that seem to have a possible application to real life, does not trump or otherwise negate the thousands of years of Spiritual revelation, understanding, experience, knowlege and wisdom that does exist within the parameters of Spiritual Consciousness.The part-truth, as in historical proof of the myth-makers involved in the earths various religions, and the use of false religion -or false belief systems like the monetary system, is very valuable information, but when it is 'addendummed' to such a blatant one-sided (and elitist)perspective as 'the venus project' that information becomes muted and tainted with the falsenes of yet another narrow-minded perspective.At this point, I cannot recommend, endorse, or otherwise aid in the propogation of more false information, no matter how much parts of truth is included in the rendering.If my questions aren't answered with some content other than what I've already witnessed and reviewed, I then have to weigh whether or not to openly dispute the errors, or change my status from ally to opposition.I cannot abide such diversion of intellect, and division of consciousness, if that is what it proves to be -and something is emerging out of the picture that is a whole lot uglier than what it looks like on the surface.

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Comment #272 posted by FoM on November 11, 2008 at 07:56:14 PT

Veteran's Day Song 
Families By Neil Younghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9WL2Y6_5tk
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Comment #271 posted by FoM on November 11, 2008 at 06:19:28 PT

museman
We've watched Bobby a couple of times. We bought the movie but it was on tv and we watched it when we saw it was on. 1968 was a year of hope and tragedy. I never believed we could have a government that was worthwhile after MLK and Bobby were killed. 1968 in Chicago was violent but this time it was wonderful. I am way more familiar with Chicago then New York City since that is where my husband goes when there is freight and I went along with him for a couple of years. I love the song Never Going to Break My Faith. The next 8 years will be be very interesting. 
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Comment #270 posted by museman on November 10, 2008 at 23:25:38 PT

FoM
Thanks. "Bobby" was a revelation for a lot of people. I could only watch it once though, I am far too emotional about it.I have to admit to the fact that movies can be positively inspiring -like all art- when that is the intent.I never did see Bobby, but I did get to hear Martin Luther King speak. Remembrance.Arethra Franklin has my r e s p e c t.
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Comment #269 posted by FoM on November 10, 2008 at 19:51:45 PT

museman
We watched Bobby the other day again. I loved this song called Never Gonna Break My Faith. I cried. It's been 40 years and some of us never let go of our dream. Please check out the making of the song please.Aretha & Mary Recording Their Grammy Award Winning Songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlM1svwgJ4&NR=1
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Comment #268 posted by museman on November 10, 2008 at 19:31:37 PT

Had Enough
I was wondering....Same address.The sequel does sound interesting.I was just thinking about this thread the other day. About how so many conceptualized ideas of our youth have become -finally- real factors dealt into the hand of every day life. As I watched the door slam in the face of some very angry (but only a handful) sore losers (did you compare the reactions to the "Respect my opponent" speeches? Obama's crowd clapped, but McCain's crowd booed and hissed like abunch of snakes -right on national TV!) I think back to 1968, when we were all talking about Bobby Kennedy as being the next step in the progress of the American Dream of liberty and justice for all. Martin Luther King was giving us, and the very, very opressed Black Man a vision of a very different nation than the one we all lived in in 1968.1968 was the year our generation came of age. They assassinated our next president. They assassinated the most eloquent statesman for equality amongst all men -because of some silly extinct concept of 'racial superiority', and to make the matter worse, they started upping the annie in VietNam. From there the repugs launched their platform based on a military-industrial economy which included the various takeovers of citizens rights and liberties starting with Nixon.Our generation was split into factions, America was split into factions, even more so than before the civll rights movement. The controlling powers orchestrated some mighty fine entertainment for themselves, at great human and ecological expense, gathering a substantial number of our potential flower children into the middle road of materialism in suburbia. The movement of new awareness that was shot to the fore through various experimented experiences, some mighty good, some not so good, was labeled, made war on, socially rejected, discredited, and looked upon through media as some nostalgic flash in the pan of collective generational experience called "the '60's" -but that movement continued.For years the High dreams of our youth were squashed and thwarted, but all along the sanity and reason of the knowlege that life was for living not for fulfilling the comfort and destiny of the chosen few, quietly taught our children well.We taught our children about the earth, that it was a living organism, not an object to exploit for personal gain and gratification. We taught them the repercussion of waste and pollution, and practiced (as best we could in the total lack of community awareness) recycling, and explored alternative, renewable energy sources.We taught them that the only real limits there are to consciousnes are the ones that the mind wants/allows to be there.WE taught them freedom, and liberty, even as the 'schools' were teaching bondage and servitude.And some of the tinkers amongst us gave
us the PC, and the internet ('borrowed' from US D.O.D. nuclear contingency plans), while the artists and musicians were paving the way to consiousness in their art and music.It wasn't an 'entire generation'. In fact it was an oppressed and discriminated against minority.When the mainstream started finaly accepting some of the things we have been doing all along, they sure didn't aknowlege in any way the fact that we kept the faith through all those years of yuppie gluttony, and credit was never given where credit is due. The fact that it was our small but really collective tenacity -having to do with Pearls Of Great Price, and not being willing to give them up for any of the platic-fantastic illusion that the status-quo world has been offering that has provided the very real foundation for this 'New Age' we actually find ourselves in, is ultimately a very fine thing regardless of whether or not the Hippies are rightfully aknowleged in the mainstream or not.When the history gets re-written by experience instead of conquerors, I am sure they/we will be remembered as the historical light in a very dark time.

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Comment #267 posted by Hope on November 04, 2008 at 08:39:13 PT

Lol!
That was funny that day... getting all our "Oooohhhmmmms" together.Sweet memory.
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Comment #266 posted by Had Enough on November 04, 2008 at 06:46:22 PT

Start the Movie
I ran off about three batches of the movie for you…but...They got passed on to other people. It seemed there was more of a demand for them than what I expected. Copies I made went all over the place and I was asked if I had more… so I gave them out. I’m thinkn’ strike while the iron is hot, and I’m sure you agree.I have an address that you gave me, I need to know if that is still the place to send them. If that has changed with the help of FoM we can make an arranged rendezvous on this thread thread, live style so I can get the info and within seconds she can zap it.I have another batch sitting in front of me, and these are for you come Hell or High water.And also there is a sequel out now. It talks about The Venus Project which is a resourced based economy vs. a monetary based economy. You’re gonna love it. It really gives vindication to the title of this thread. The Rainbow Familly too. Haven’t ordered it yet but will real soon, probably before the week is up. When I get that one I will run off a batch and send them on too.We need to do our part and get this info out to everyone who will hear it. You mentioned public showings…cool, let's do it.Both movies are even more relevant given current events of late.

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Comment #265 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 11:23:42 PT

 :0)
I got to Ommm on time.... but had guests arriving this time and couldn't quite get them all into it.... I did it though. But there was more distraction this time. I'm glad I got the preliminary Omm earlier.Thank you for letting me know about it, Museman, so I could participate the best I could.It was cool. Many smiles all around when I told people it was time to Om with the Rainbow People in Wyoming. Nice experience.
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Comment #264 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 11:18:56 PT

thank you
for omming with us.Some of my most treasured moments happened in or around Rainbow Gatherings.You want to know one of the most incredible things? The fact that in almost 40 years that idea did not dwindle, or die out, but has been totally refreshed with a new generation who look as if they were taken right out of the Summer of Love 1969 and transported through time to 2008!It is interesting to note that the Rainbow Gathering is only 2 years older than the first beginnings of the WOD -under Nixon.And to note that the WOD is in its last days, as well as a lot of antiquated thinking, but the HIPPIES WILL NEVER DIE!!!!
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Comment #263 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 11:09:43 PT

Hope
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!
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Comment #262 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 11:09:31 PT

Hope
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!
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Comment #261 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:59:35 PT

One minute!!!
OOOOMMM
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Comment #260 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 10:36:53 PT

Fom
Thank you.You have great fourth.Today we both pray for peace, and celebrate the concept of Liberty.
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Comment #259 posted by FoM on July 04, 2008 at 10:27:04 PT

Museman
That must have been an out of body type of experience. The Moody Blues are one of my favorite groups. I think I have about all their DVDs and CDs. Stick introduced me to the Moody Blues and I've never been the same. LOL! Seriously they are great.Hope have a wonderful day and keep on rising above it all. 
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Comment #258 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 10:24:14 PT

Hope
Nope you haven't missed it, I went off early too!Some of my kids are there this year. Two of my sons rode their bikes from Eugene! (of course they got a ride, or they would still be in Monatana or Idaho.)And Hope, you're definitely a Rainbow!
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Comment #257 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 10:21:38 PT

the Moody Blues
Are my all-time favorite band.My one and only LSD trip at a rock concert wasn't until 1993 at a Moody Blues concert in Medford Oregon.It was wonderful.
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Comment #256 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:17:09 PT

 'Welcome Home.'
That means "Peace" to me, too.
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Comment #255 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:15:46 PT

When I saw that it was exactly twelve on my
computer... I was so excited and went right to Omming.Omming's good for you. I'm still smiling. Can't wait until one... it's bound to be even better.

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Comment #254 posted by FoM on July 04, 2008 at 10:15:41 PT

The Moody Blues - OM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwcizavYNTc
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Comment #253 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:13:10 PT

Grace
I'm running around here, inside and outside, busy, busy, busy... and sat down for a break right at twelve o'clock.But.... I was an hour early... on the dot.Maybe I'll get more Grace and get it right at 1:00. I did feel the Oneness, though. How exciting that it was just a prelude. I hope I don't miss it!!!
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Comment #252 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:06:48 PT

 And 
The God of All... The One.Oooom.
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Comment #251 posted by FoM on July 04, 2008 at 10:06:40 PT

museman
That is one of the finest compliments that I have ever had. Hope you are the best.
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Comment #250 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:04:28 PT

With them and You and Martha and all...
I feel the Oneness!Hallelujah!
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Comment #249 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 10:04:20 PT

FoM
If ever there was one who was an example of what I would call a 'rainbow person' it is you, and most of the folks who post here, though even those wouldn't think of going would still be welcome.The Rainbow slogan is 'Welcome Home.'
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Comment #248 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:03:32 PT

My heart and mind is with them in Spirit and Soul.
"It is a prayer for freedom from the bondage from false taskmasters.It is prayer for life, joy, and happiness.They are gathering in the meadow, and joining hands about now.Om"
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Comment #247 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 10:02:14 PT

Ommming
for Grace, Mercy, Blessings, and Peace and Love.On the Dot!!! Grace!!!
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Comment #246 posted by FoM on July 04, 2008 at 10:00:02 PT

Rainbow Gathering 
I appreciate them. I agree with them today too.
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Comment #245 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 09:57:36 PT

Hope
11:30 MST :-)>
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Comment #244 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 09:56:04 PT

hope
Man I keep going off prematurely.You're right. There is one hour difference between the zones, so if it is 10 here, it is 11 there.Sometime around 11:30 the people will start to gather in the meadow.Now I got it right.
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Comment #243 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 09:52:19 PT

Hope
The first Rainbow Gathering was about praying for world peace, and that theme has become prevalent.It is also prayer for the natural world, those whose tribal consciousness, and choices of lifestyle accordingly have been made target by the powers and principalties of evil.It is a prayer for freedom from the bondage from false taskmasters.It is prayer for life, joy, and happiness.They are gathering in the meadow, and joining hands about now.Om
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Comment #242 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 09:26:11 PT

Post 239 Museman
A little extra Ommmning won't hurt.:0)
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Comment #241 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 09:25:12 PT

It's 11:23 here...
So I'm thinking it's 10:23 in Wyoming.So we've got about an hour and a half as I calculate.What are we supposed to pray/meditate/think about at that moment and for how long?
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Comment #240 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 09:10:10 PT

Hope
In about an hour. Sorry, my computer time is off by an hour.It is now a little after 9 here.Still time to get ready to participate.
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Comment #239 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 09:04:14 PT

Hope
It is happening right now!
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Comment #238 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:51:48 PT

Mountain Time shows 9:49 AM right now
and it's 10:49 here CST... adjusted for Daylight Savings Time.So high noon there should be at 1 PM here... I think.
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Comment #237 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:48:53 PT

AARRG!!!!
http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone.shtmlRight now... according to the above site the times are: 	
	Dang it... just have to look... they won't copy and paste easily.
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Comment #236 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:45:11 PT

Daylight Savings Time!
So it will be when CST?
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Comment #235 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:44:14 PT

Oh no... forgot to calculate Daylight Savings Time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National-atlas-timezones-2006.gif
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Comment #234 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:43:15 PT

How can it be a half hour from now....
 or when you made your post....or am I confused?According to my calculation... it will be nearly two hours from now.Help my understanding!
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Comment #233 posted by Hope on July 04, 2008 at 08:41:06 PT

Museman... Thanks.
So that will be 1 PM, Central Standard Time? Is that right?
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Comment #232 posted by museman on July 04, 2008 at 08:33:30 PT

37th annual Rainbow Gathering
Today at high noon MST in Wyoming, thousands of people will join hands in a circle and Om, a prayer for peace and consciousness. In about a half hour from now.Today thousands of people will keep a vow of silence - an incredible experience being with thousands of deliberately silent human beings- until they all gather to circle and pray in a big meadow.Anyone who would like to vicariously share in the experience may set aside a few moments at noon (MST), close their eyes and envision a circle of several thousand people, all in agreement and focussed. It is the circle of man, and we are all represented there.Peace
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Comment #231 posted by museman on June 24, 2008 at 11:35:54 PT

Had Enough, Toker....
There's more.My sons discovered this one. I think it goes right in hand with Zeitgeist.It is long, and I haven't even finished it yet -stayed up till late trying to but believe me, you will be awake and paying attention at some point.Had Enough... please give me an address to respond to, I will be making some music DVDs at some point, adn you are on my list.
Ring of Power
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Comment #230 posted by Toker00 on June 22, 2008 at 16:39:52 PT

Hippie Nation
Peace and Pot.You're welcome Brother. Even with the few mistakes it contains, it is accurate enough to give many people the knowledge to resist the mind games. 2012. If things do begin anew, then Good may rule the Earth for the next Universal cycle. Though it may not start out good, it may end up Good, like we are ending this cycle buried in the smothering weight of Evil, the next galactic cycle may end up with Goodness as weightless as our spirits. Maybe that is the perfect balance we all have to experience to know God. The total experience of Good and Evil, endlessly, or until God gets tired of it all...Toke.

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Comment #229 posted by FoM on June 22, 2008 at 12:55:45 PT

Had Enough
I'm back watching Property Ladder to get back into construction mode. The lady who has rented our one house has been in the house for close to 18 years I think. She suffered kidney failure and is on dialysis 3 times a week so coming home isn't an option. I feel bad for her family packing up everything and moving it to storage or whatever they are doing with her possessions. No one is telling her that she won't ever be able to come home because it would break her heart. 
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Comment #228 posted by Had Enough on June 22, 2008 at 11:45:33 PT

Not to worry FoM…
Everybody has their own thing to deal with. I’m not offended at that. None what so ever… A lot of times I don’t respond when I should.************Toker, I got the Zeitgeist movie from their website. Hi-resolution. Pumping out free copies. 5 went out the door today. I wanted to share something with you.The first time I saw that movie was from a link you had left us. I had plenty to do that day, but it captured my attention so much, I watched it several times that day…Man…the truth, all in one nice neat little tidy package…with huge meaning and impact…I wish to thank you for that…Got to go for now, be back soon…

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Comment #227 posted by FoM on June 21, 2008 at 14:06:16 PT

Had Enough
I'm glad you liked the links. I've been really busy today and I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you.
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Comment #226 posted by Had Enough on June 21, 2008 at 10:49:10 PT

Neil Young
Thanks for the links…I enjoyed that.

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Comment #225 posted by Had Enough on June 21, 2008 at 10:30:21 PT

It worked
Used BGreen & musemans advice to try to burn from the hard drive rather than disk to disk.There are just a few spots that appear to slightly pause, but when I replay the spots they seem to play okay. Much better that the disk to disk operation. I don’t think most people would even notice them. Also the drive I played it back on is almost 3 yrs old and has had a ton of disks cycled through it…so…That might be part of it too.Burned the disk using Roxio program on backup machine, that version copies it to the hard drive first then burns it to the disk. That is the version I used on the primary machine before the crash. The version on it now is an earlier version that burns directly to the disk. Contacted Dell again…they said they would send me the version I had. But they already tried twice…still ended up with the older version…maybe this time it will be the one I’m lookin’ for.But anywho… it worked and almost ready to make a batch.

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Comment #224 posted by FoM on June 21, 2008 at 06:56:17 PT

I Just Found The Web Site For CSNY Deja Vu
http://csny-dejavu.com/
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Comment #223 posted by FoM on June 21, 2008 at 06:33:11 PT

Neil Young Says....
Neil Young Says President Bush Is An Idiot Who Is Driving The Country Into InsanityBy Howie EdelsonNeil Young had some harsh words for President George Bush and his tenure as a wartime president.Young spoke about the criticism that the recent Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young documentary CSNY - Deja Vu has received, telling Uncut, "We're not telling the world what to do... It's so funny what people say about us... We're not trying to control the world. All we're saying is, 'Hey this f***ing president is killing us. This f***er is driving the country into insanity. This f***er is responsible for America being the most hated country in the world right now. That's what we're saying. All I'm saying is: 'This is what I think about this idiot. What do you think?'"Complete Article: http://www.kbsradio.ca/news/music/87/741092
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Comment #222 posted by FoM on June 20, 2008 at 16:34:44 PT

Had Enough
It sounds like you've had good luck with tech support. I haven't had any problems with this computer. I did hear a tapping from time to time right after I got it and because that is how my old computer sounded but way louder and screechy I called Dell. I told him about the slight tapping sound and he told me to box it up and send it back. It was very faint. I said no thank you. I figured if it crashed it crashed because it has a year warranty. I figured it out a week or so later that I needed a PRL update for my data card and now this computer is as quiet as a mouse. I am happy with Dell. I always had Gateways and was happy with them too. I guess I'm just happy about everything! LOL!
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Comment #221 posted by Had Enough on June 20, 2008 at 15:18:00 PT

Clarification
The Roxio program that I referred to as using a lot was burning CD’s not DVD.This is my first try at this…so I don’t really know how well it works with DVD’s.I’ll try burning another one later while I can sit down and concentrate on how to use it with DVD’s.I’ve been having a lot of distractions here today, all week for that matter, so…I didn’t get very much done…With both the daily grind, and learning how to make movies…:)..

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Comment #220 posted by Had Enough on June 20, 2008 at 14:54:46 PT

Vistas’ Roxio
You don’t have anything to loose. The program is already installed and written to run under Vista…so…give it a whirl…see what happens.If it doesn’t work you can always do the restless consumer thing…Also…Dell…Very pleased.I purchased this computer 2-1/2 years ago. I purchased the full 3 yr extend support about 200 bucks. I had an issue with one of the hard drives about a year ago. The next day at 8:30 am a guy in his mid sixty’s showed up knocking on the door with a hard drive in his hand. 20 minutes latter he was ready to go. He told me the hard drive is rebuilding it’s self and will take about 2 hrs to finish. He told me I could use the computer as normal while it was being done. I asked him how can the hard drive rebuild it’s self if the data is constantly being changed while I’m using it…He responded…”I love Windows XP… It’s the way the operating system works.”To be on the safe side I used the machine very little during the process, and everything came out fine.During this last crash these techs were super cool. I had to contact them about a dozen times inside of a week. Each time they followed through with all the notes from the prior calls. And on two occasions I got a tech that I dealt with on prior calls… cool…they were already familiar with the glitches I was having. Several times they took control of the computer and operated it from their end to see if they could solve the problems, and we finally got things going. I’m still a little nervous though…it wasn’t a smooth clean install. I’m thinking maybe I should give the hard drives one of those military 7 time formats and start from there.Now they offered to extend the warranty/support for another 2 (might be 3, have to double check) yrs for about 250 bucks…I’m thinking on biting on that… If they will extend the warranty on a 3-year-old machine…with that quality of support/warranty…I just might part with 250 bucks I’d rather spend on something else that’s needed.

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Comment #219 posted by FoM on June 20, 2008 at 13:58:02 PT

Had Enough 
I'll give Roxio a try. I liked Nero 6 on my old XP. Windows Movie Maker is fine too. I haven't taken many pictures or downloaded much of anything so I haven't been inspired recently. 
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Comment #218 posted by Had Enough on June 20, 2008 at 13:05:41 PT

Roxio
Roxio is from Sonic Solutions.I’ve used it a lot and have had good luck with it.However there are quite a few versions.The one I had was Sonic DigitalMedia LE v7That one is still on the backup computer, but is gone from the primary machine after the rebuild.I will figure out how to get it back somehow.A lot of people like that Nero program that BGreen mentioned…I never used it because I was happy with the Roxio program. It did every thing the way it’s supposed to.Try messing around with your Vista version of Roxio. You might like it.

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Comment #217 posted by FoM on June 20, 2008 at 11:06:37 PT

Had Enough
I just looked on my Dell computer and I have Roxio Creator 9. I can't figure out how it works so far though. 
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Comment #216 posted by Had Enough on June 20, 2008 at 10:21:14 PT

Burned Movie
Thanks BGreenOk, I burnt the disk. It worked but there are pause like skips. I used a Roxio program to burn it.It went directly from disk to disk.I’ll try musemans advice to put it on the hard drive first.I just had to reinstall the operating system – problems installing Service pack 3. The Roxio programs that were sent from Dell during my rebuild is not the same as what was on it before the reinstall. I might have to do a little more research to get that program back. The support techs gave me some information and some sites to help find it. And then they told me to call back if I couldn’t find it, and they will try help again. They sent me two Roxio Disks, but they are not the same as I had before the crash. Dell has a very good support operation. They were very helpful during the process.************Vista…if you like it... use it.I’m still using XP pro. If I switch to Vista I’ll have 3 perfectly good working printers and one scanner that will not work and will end up being used for doorstops. Probably half of my programs will have to be replaced. Two of those 3 printers have the kind of cartridges that I refill myself, no chips to interfere with the refill process. Just pull the cartridge, remove the plug, fill with ink, replace plug, insert cart, then print. Just for grins and giggles I timed myself once. About 35 seconds start to finish for one cart, but I had the ink out and already set to go. There are 6 cartridges in the print head. Office Depot/Staples charges about 60 dollars for a set of six carts. I can refill for about 20 cents per cart.These 2 printers are Cannon iP6000. If you reprogram the EEPROM it will print on CD’s too. I got a tray and roller kit off of eBay and it works really well. It took only a few minutes to install the roller kit and to reprogram the printer.

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Comment #215 posted by museman on June 19, 2008 at 23:27:29 PT

Had Enough -burning
DVD + or - makes no difference to the 'closed' disc, to the DVD player, only to the compatability of media vs burner.Most DVD burners now are both +/- but there are some that require either the + or - .DVD burning programs are tricky though. I don't have one to recommend unfortunately, cause every one I've used I'm not impressed with.If you are making several copies, I suggest making a disc image first, it will save you possible glitches and partial burns which result in a dead DVD disc.
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Comment #214 posted by FoM on June 19, 2008 at 19:37:28 PT

BGreen
I agree with that. I was just messing around with Windows Movie Maker. It came back to me. I used Nero and Windows Movie Maker. They had different features but they both worked once I figured them out. My sister has done remarkable Weddings using Windows Movie Maker. Maybe she has another program now though. I'm not sure. She's really good. She makes good money doing Weddings. It would drive me crazy being around Weddings as much as she has been over the years. LOL!
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Comment #213 posted by BGreen on June 19, 2008 at 19:20:38 PT

I'm glad you've had good luck with Vista
My computer = ain't broke.My solution = don't fix.LOLThe Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #212 posted by FoM on June 19, 2008 at 18:39:43 PT

BGreen
I had to get a new computer and it had Vista on it already. I like Vista. I liked XP too. I was able to load Front Page 2003 on Vista. That was over $100 so I am glad it works. I need to try something using the Windows DVD Maker that came with my computer and see if it works ok. I liked Windows Movie Maker with XP and I know how to use it so it should be easy using it with Vista I hope. I don't do fancy things. I never learned and now I don't even want to try. LOL!
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Comment #211 posted by BGreen on June 19, 2008 at 16:23:57 PT

I just won't install Vista
Nope, no way. I've heard so many bad things about people not being able to use software they've purchased, and I just don't have money to replace every program when my computer works just fine as it is.The Reverend Bud (xp) Green
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Comment #210 posted by FoM on June 19, 2008 at 16:16:34 PT

BGreen
I was hoping I could use my Nero disc from my XP in my Vista but I read 6 won't work. I haven't tried Windows DVD Maker that came with this computer yet.
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Comment #209 posted by BGreen on June 19, 2008 at 15:28:24 PT

plus R discs are fine
That's all I've ever used so you're all set.To be able to directly copy a DVD you have to make sure there is no copy protection at all.I use Nero v.6 to burn my DVD's.New compilation/DVD-video/drag and drop VIDEO_TS folder from hard drive copy of DVD and burn.You can copy the files from the DVD to your hard drive and see if it works. If not, I'll set you up with some trial version software for you to use.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #208 posted by Had Enough on June 19, 2008 at 15:07:54 PT

Start the Movie
It arrived. I ordered it about 3 weeks ago. Friday I emailed them they said it had been shipped. They said they would send out another one. It was in the mailbox Wednesday.Silver lining if you look for one. Maybe someone might have found the first one in their mailbox and put it in their DVD machine…and maybe thought it was kinda interesting…************Now I need a little help here with burning the copies.I’ve burned a lot of CD’s, but never a DVD, this will be my first go ‘round at it.Main question.I already have a pack of DVD+R disks. Are these disks ok for burning movies???Or should I use the DVD-R format???Or does it even matter???I'd like to use what I already have instead of doing the restless consumer thing.************Special note to those that maybe concerned, regarding copyright laws:The creators of this movie allow, and even encourage copying and distribution of their flick.Not greedy, like some organizations…

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Comment #207 posted by museman on April 23, 2008 at 21:21:56 PT

couple old hippies
Me 'n this guy did a lot of minstrelin' 'back in the day'
Tiananmen Square
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Comment #206 posted by FoM on March 04, 2008 at 13:41:24 PT

Whig
It is nice to touch base. We all are busy these days but at least our issue is moving forward. Slow but steady. Please tell Mrs. Whig hello.
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Comment #205 posted by Hope on March 04, 2008 at 13:04:01 PT

Whig...
That's very good to hear. And thank you for checking in with us. That's always appreciated.You are a researching son-of-a-gun! (Here in Texas, that's not an insult, by any means. It means... "Wow! You are so really good at it!":0)
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Comment #204 posted by whig on March 04, 2008 at 12:23:18 PT

Hope & FoM
Things are going well, I think. I don't stop here as often these days, but it's nice to touch base now and again.
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Comment #203 posted by Hope on March 04, 2008 at 09:24:37 PT

Hey, Whig!
Good to see you. Hope you are feeling well and things are going well for you and Mrs. Whig.
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Comment #202 posted by FoM on March 04, 2008 at 05:24:01 PT

Whig
It's nice to see you. I grew Chamomile a number of years ago. It made a nice calming tea.
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Comment #201 posted by whig on March 04, 2008 at 01:53:46 PT

er...
2C would actually be much larger. Call this 1C, bang it 100 times and just use half as much water in half the bottle size. Much better. To create a 2C empty out 99 parts of your 1C, refill with fresh water, bang it 100 times. 3C can be made from 2C in the same way. You're probably not getting into interesting potencies until 6C or 30C.basically, figure it out.
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Comment #200 posted by whig on March 04, 2008 at 01:49:19 PT

copied
http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/menu/potency/potency.phpso my comments are additional. you may note that it is standard to "bang the bottle" 200 times rather than 50 to create a 2C. If you do 50, you can't call it 2C.
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Comment #199 posted by whig on March 04, 2008 at 01:36:20 PT

glass bottles might be better
but you decide what to do
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Comment #198 posted by whig on March 04, 2008 at 01:34:50 PT

you could also make tea first
How to Make Your Own Potentized Medicine From a Herb:1.   Say, if you have Chamomile growing in your backyard, which is a homeopathy remedy.2.   Following are the steps to make potentize Chamomile medicine.3.   Wash, clean and liquefy the whole plant in blender, this is Mother Tincture of Chamomile.4.   Take a clean clear plastic 2 liter bottle. Fill it half with one liter spring or rain water. Half filled so the liquid could be shaken vigoursly.5.   Add a drop of Mother Tincture from Step 1. Add it into the one liter water in 2 liter water bottle.6.   Since One drop is equal to 1/10 ml, adding it into 1000 ml makes the ration of 1:10000, which is 4x potency or 2C. 1C = 2X. 30 C = 60X.7.   Medicine is ready only if you shake the bottle vigorously by banging it at least 50 times. This is called dynamization. 
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Comment #197 posted by museman on February 05, 2008 at 15:43:36 PT

 a little taste
of a psychedelic past. For friends. Fresh nostalgia, at least for me...I'm having fun with the digital age. If not with it's rulers and their master plan for world conquest.peace
Impromptu in A
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Comment #196 posted by FoM on January 31, 2008 at 11:56:09 PT

Had Enough
Thank you for the links. With the wind we had over the last few days it would probable break but I would love to try wind power because of being high up on a ridge.I'm glad Paul McCartney is doing ok.
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Comment #195 posted by Had Enough on January 31, 2008 at 11:52:27 PT

Power to the People
Installed U.S. Wind Power Capacity Surged by 45% in 2007 
The U.S. wind energy industry installed 5,244MW in 2007, expanding the nation's total wind power generating capacity by 45% in a single calendar year and injecting an investment of more than $9 billion into the economy, according to the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA), Washington, D.C. The new wind projects account for 30% of the entire new power-producing capacity added nationally in 2007 and will power the equivalent of 1.5 million American households annually. To read this story online, visit EC&M's Web site.http://ecmweb.com/ezone/wind-power-surge/

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Comment #194 posted by Had Enough on January 31, 2008 at 10:27:47 PT

McCartney: I Didn't Have Angioplasty
McCartney: I Didn't Have AngioplastyJan 31, 1:13 PM (ET)NEW YORK (AP) - Paul McCartney says recent media reports that he had a heart procedure last year are "entirely untrue." 
"People are ringing and texting me saying, 'Are you OK?'" he writes in a posting on his newly redesigned Web site. "I hadn't seen the report so I was puzzled by so many enquiries about my health. So I think it's a good time to put this rumour to rest."More…http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080131/D8UH11001.html***********Hi everybody,Happy New Year!I hope it’s a great one for all of us.There’s been a lot of stuff in the newspapers over the past few months and as most of it is completely inaccurate, I have not bothered to deny any of it.There is one report though, that is causing concern amongst many friends of mine which was a recent report about a heart operation that I was supposed to have had.Pauls websitehttp://www.paulmccartney.com/news.php#Home pagehttp://www.paulmccartney.com/

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Comment #193 posted by FoM on January 29, 2008 at 15:23:12 PT

For Those Who Are Interested
I really enjoyed the CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour and think the documentary seems really interesting. I hope it will be released before the November election.***CSNY Deja Vu - (Documentary)By JOHN ANDERSONA 
Making music, making fun of themselves and making as much political hay as possible, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young set out to alleviate the public allergy to Iraq War films with "CSNY Deja Vu," a doc that seems quite likely to effect a cure. Helmer Bernard Shakey -- a.k.a. Neil Young -- has constructed a chronicle of his old band's "Freedom of Speech" tour of summer '06 and come up with an aud-friendly, activist musical that seems sure to raise both political ire and major bucks.Thanks to his proclivities for grunge, his political instincts and a timeless fashion sense, Young has never been locked into any particular era or demographic. Similarly, his drollery makes him ageless: From the first shot of an open highway, obscured by the band bus's window frame, to the citations from critics assailing the band for its left-leaning decreptitude, nothing is taken too seriously.Except the war. Which is front and center.Complete Article: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117935957.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
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Comment #192 posted by Hope on January 27, 2008 at 11:41:58 PT

Museman
I couldn't remember where this thread was to check your reply. But here it is!It's so good to hear you are getting better. 
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Comment #191 posted by FoM on January 27, 2008 at 11:28:06 PT

Slide Show from Deja Vu Movie at Sundance 
http://flickr.com/photos/armadsen/sets/72157603797174606/show/
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Comment #190 posted by FoM on January 27, 2008 at 11:11:44 PT

Preview of the movie CSNY Deja Vu
http://www.sundancechannel.com/festival/festival-updates/My-Premiere?ixVideo=230314941&autoplay=1
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Comment #189 posted by FoM on January 09, 2008 at 10:40:19 PT

BGreen
Our first roof lasted 24 years and when we replaced it we didn't have to replace the plywood which would have made it way more expensive. We got really good shingles this time so they should last longer then me I think! LOL!
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Comment #188 posted by BGreen on January 09, 2008 at 10:36:13 PT

To answer your question, FoM
Yes, I think I can patch the roof without having the whole thing replaced. However, our house is almost 19 years old and could probably use a new roof. Money is really, really tight right now so a patch will have to do.I told Mrs. Green that I think the reason our house was damaged was because the trees are bare. We are pretty sheltered from the wind any time there are leaves on the trees, so this is the first time we've had this problem. Hopefully it's the last time, too.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #187 posted by museman on January 09, 2008 at 08:38:29 PT

Hope
Considerably, from the state I have been in since before Thanksgiving. I complained suitably about it a few weeks ago. Lost weight, hair, a lot of autonomy and self-ability due to the pain. Over 6 weeks on my back in one position, lots of pain meds, and a couple of trips to the ER.Made it home before xmas.Been forcing myself to move through the pain, exercizing on a daily routine, it's working. I am now nearly back to the condition (lower back wise) I was before I decided to help a guy push his truck -can't do that anymore.Thanks for asking.

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Comment #186 posted by FoM on January 09, 2008 at 07:04:49 PT

BGreen
I'm glad you didn't get hurt. Hopefully these intense storms wil calm down a little soon.
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Comment #185 posted by BGreen on January 08, 2008 at 20:56:39 PT

Thanks, Hope and FoM
I didn't even think, I just reacted. I wasn't at all afraid when I was out there. I immediately formulated a plan and went to work. I used a can of spray asphalt undercoating for cars, three plastic grocery bags (similar to walmart bags but black,) and a riding lawn mower blade to secure the lower part of the bags. I was kind of a cross between MacGyver and Pa Ingalls from Little House on the Prairie. LOLI saved our house from destruction twice. Once from Barney Fife back in August and now from the weather, and I believe God has been with me all the way.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #184 posted by Hope on January 08, 2008 at 20:45:11 PT

Museman
"While I was convalescing"? Does that mean you are doing better now? 
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Comment #183 posted by Hope on January 08, 2008 at 20:35:26 PT

BGreen
Oh my! I'm so glad you all are ok. We had a storm and rain last night that will be coming your way, but it wasn't as bad as that. Yep. That sounds like a really bad idea to be on the roof during a storm like that.

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Comment #182 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 20:13:24 PT

BGreen
I am so sorry. The weather is getting more violent. You shouldn't have gone up on the roof. Your life is more important then the roof and house that can be repaired. I'm not lecturing you but nothing material is worth risking your life for it. The temperature is 68 in January right now when it would be more like 20. The winds are really intense. Can you get by with patching the roof or do you need a new one? A few years ago when I saw the shingles being torn off in a storm we knew we had to get a new roof. Stay safe!
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Comment #181 posted by BGreen on January 08, 2008 at 19:19:11 PT

Warm weather = Tornadoes
Last night was SCARY! We had severe storms and tornadoes for over eleven straight hours. Six houses were nearly destroyed just southwest of us and we lost several shingles and our electricity at about 9 P.M.. I was up on the roof in a driving thunderstorm patching the hole, trying to prevent major water damage inside our house. We have damage to the sheet rock but it's limited to about a three square foot area.My patch job worked for several hours but started leaking again during the final storm, about 3 A.M., which packed winds of 60 to 70 mph, according to radar estimates. I know I prevented several thousand dollars worth of damage, but being on the roof in a lightening storm probably wasn't the smartest thing. Two women died from this same storm system so all in all we're darned fortunate.I was scared spit-less for several hours. I hope none of the rest of you have to go through anything similar.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #180 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 13:44:05 PT

fight_4_freedom
It is in the south western portion of the state. It's about 200 miles from our place. We used to take a van full of church kids there for the day. We got discount tickets from GE when my husband worked for them years ago. I couldn't ever do that again! LOL!http://www1.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/
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Comment #179 posted by fight_4_freedom on January 08, 2008 at 13:33:38 PT:

Hope the wind calms down for ya
I remember our satellite t.v. always having problems when we lived out in the country and the weather got bad. I surely don't miss that.I will definitely let you know if I ever head down that way. Recently all my road trips have started out by heading west to eventually lead to California. But maybe I'll plan a different route if I head out there again. We have to go south eventually to get there. I would like to take a different route anyway so I can drive through new states and see new things. I love cross country trips.About King's Island, where is that located? I've heard of it but I've never been there. Smaller version of cedar point?
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Comment #178 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 13:00:18 PT

fight_4_freedom 
Please do let me know. We would go to King's Island but we never went to Cedar Point. We went to Sea World and Geauga Lake up north too.
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Comment #177 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 12:57:36 PT

fight_4_freedom
It is nice and I know it won't last. I wish it wasn't as windy because it causes my air card to run slow and disconnect. Only high wind seems to bother it not like satellite. Rain caused the satellite to go out. I just checked and it is 65 in Cleveland and that's over 100 miles north of us.
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Comment #176 posted by fight_4_freedom on January 08, 2008 at 12:34:09 PT:

It's too bad you
aren't closer to Cedar Point. I try to go once a year with friends just to have a good time. We always have a blast. I haven't really been to the southern part, but if a road trip of mine is ever scheduled to go that way, I'll let ya know :)
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Comment #175 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 12:16:21 PT

fight_4_freedom
We are in the south eastern part. 
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Comment #174 posted by fight_4_freedom on January 08, 2008 at 12:06:03 PT:

Enjoy it while it lasts.... hehe
I'm sure Old Man winter isn't gone yet. So are you in the southern part of the state or is the entire state that warm today?
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Comment #173 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 11:55:31 PT

fight_4_freedom 
It is amazing weather. Seeing a honey bee made me stop and just stare at it for a minute until it flew away. It's January! I think Gore is right too.
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Comment #172 posted by fight_4_freedom on January 08, 2008 at 11:42:43 PT:

70 degrees????
Wow, what a change. It's warm here too but only in the 50's, but still thats near record temp for this time of year.Unfortunately, I believe Mr. Gore is right.
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Comment #171 posted by FoM on January 08, 2008 at 11:35:20 PT

museman
I bookmarked it because I can't get it to load right now. We are having high winds the last few days and it causes my aircard not to be stable. It was down to 10 the other day and now it is 70! I saw a honey bee today! 
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Comment #170 posted by museman on January 08, 2008 at 11:06:58 PT

another offering
While I was convalescing, I had an idea for a simple music video that kind of grew a bit larger than I'd planned...
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Comment #169 posted by FoM on January 04, 2008 at 14:28:01 PT

Had Enough
I like Stephen Stills so much. I will never forget seeing him and hearing him singing Old Man Trouble at the CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour. I hope they got it early. They didn't get Dan Fogelberg soon enough unfortunately.Run For The Roses By Dan Fogelberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDwm3QIwfg
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Comment #168 posted by Had Enough on January 04, 2008 at 13:01:40 PT

Stephen Stills Recovering From Surgery
Stephen Stills Recovering From SurgeryJan 4, 2:05 PM (ET)
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Stephen Stills, who had surgery for prostate cancer on his 63rd birthday, was expected to return home Friday, his wife said.Stills, of Crosby, Stills & Nash (and sometimes with Neil Young), had the operation Thursday in Los Angeles, Kristen Stills, said in a statement. 
"Stephen's procedure went remarkably well and he couldn't be better," she said. "He will be home by noon tomorrow and the pain will be minimal."more…http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080104/D8TV889O3.html

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Comment #167 posted by whig on December 11, 2007 at 15:07:54 PT

FoM
It's the early stages of a new electronic classical music.
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Comment #166 posted by FoM on December 11, 2007 at 14:29:31 PT

whig
That was different. I didn't understand what it was about but it was interesting. Thanks for sharing it.
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Comment #165 posted by whig on December 11, 2007 at 14:20:21 PT

FoM
I like to use music to express things. This is Múm. I've shared some of their music before.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1UzuKdkgY
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Comment #164 posted by FoM on December 11, 2007 at 13:27:44 PT

I Found This
This article makes perfect sense to me. A Course in Love & Healing 
 Taking Your Place as An Ascending Love Masterhttp://www.thelovecenter.com/taking%20ascending%20lm%20place.htm
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Comment #163 posted by whig on December 11, 2007 at 12:59:42 PT

museman
For your consideration. It may not last long.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascended_Master_Teachings
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Comment #162 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 16:36:58 PT

Museman
 I just found this on Google. I was wondering if we would ever get the Documentary from last years tour but I guess we will in time. This makes me happy.Excerpt: "CSNY Deja Vu," a look at Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's "Freedom of Speech Tour," as echoes of the '60s play out among today's audiences. Directed by Bernard Shakey (a k a Neil Young), written by Young and Mike Cerre. Closing Night Film. http://origin.sltrib.com/themix/ci_7591084

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Comment #161 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 15:46:45 PT

museman
I have also learned that no matter what our personal relationship with God is it is special and it is hard to explain that to people particular those who don't believe in God. I feel sorry for them but that is as far as I can go. Sooner or later we all come to an awareness as life starts hitting us hard and the great beyond gets closer. 
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Comment #160 posted by museman on December 01, 2007 at 15:29:06 PT

FoM
You're welcome.I agree with your assessment of religion vs spirit(uality). The terms that we have been brought up with don't come even close to expressing the reality of the situation.I believe in things that are readily scoffed at and ignored, which has made it frustrating for me to do my job. There are many perspectives just within our own language that require adjustments when it comes to communicating successfully, so in the process of learning to do that, I have aquired a real love afair with words. I certainly respect and admire the abiltity to do essentially the same thing with less verbosity.
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 14:53:13 PT

museman
Thank you for explaining. I don't have a Christian faith really. I believe in the Spirit of God and Christianity is what I was taught but I gave up putting God in a box a long time ago. I think that religion has highjacked the world but God hasn't highjacked the world if that makes sense.Religion and Spirituality are totally opposite of one another. The first controls the free thinking man and the second liberates God's children.
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Comment #158 posted by museman on December 01, 2007 at 14:29:33 PT

FoM
Hmm. I guess that's why I felt I could add something to the mix.It's basicly a statement showing how the natural life of mankind, and the creation have been hijacked by a certain kind of class/creed/spiritually polarized minority, how they established their power, and how they perpetuate it.The beginning is probably what throws you off, because some rather harsh conclusions are drawn about the many aspects of religion which are all about lending power and credence to the status quo, and keeping the general population in fear and ignorance.A lot of christian oriented folks will have a hard time getting through the opening 30 minutes because of how they state their findings. If I didn't have the perspective I have had for most of my life, I might not have been able to get through that myself. In my opinion that first part needs to be redressed, which I am going to attempt with my little collection of words.The substance of the message is really what comes after the religious angle, showing how the government in our time, from the very beginning has been a group of the power elite with an agenda extending far beyond what they let the general population see and hear.I understand if you are put off by their anti-religious stance, and as I said I think that that is probably the weakest part, but you should maybe just fast forward past that point, because the information is oh so pertinent, timely and appropriate. I am not easily impressed, and I think that so far this is the best media production on the subject I have seen yet. It's worth getting through potential insult to your faith, to recieve the rest of the message.
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Comment #157 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 14:14:27 PT

museman
I have never watched a movie that long online. It buffers too. It doesn't seem like it would interest me from what I have read. It probably would go right over the top of my head. I really am a person who doesn't look at things like some people do. 
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Comment #156 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 14:06:43 PT

museman
I don't understand what it is about. 
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Comment #155 posted by museman on December 01, 2007 at 14:03:06 PT

FoM
May I ask what confuses you?
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Comment #154 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 13:55:22 PT

museman
No I didn't watch it. I avoid things that confuse me. I am a very simple thinking person. 
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Comment #153 posted by museman on December 01, 2007 at 13:44:25 PT

FoM
The word:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeitgeistI assume you've seen the video?http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on December 01, 2007 at 12:15:21 PT

museman
What actually is Zeitgeist?
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Comment #151 posted by museman on December 01, 2007 at 11:40:03 PT

update
For those who asked for it, and those who are interested, and because of a lot of net media and literary rehash, as well as some very good information is beginning to enter into the mainstream conversation, I felt a need to fill some of the void left in the wake of such things like Zeitgeist. I hope to make a video with this as a narrative.
What is Real part 1
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Comment #150 posted by Had Enough on October 22, 2007 at 09:06:11 PT

Solar Homes Draw Crowds on Mall
Oct 22, 3:34 AM (ET)By H. JOSEF HEBERTWASHINGTON (AP) - Solar power, still a tiny fraction of the energy used today, may be heading closer to the mainstream - if a display on the National Mall over the past week is any indication. Twenty universities brought solar homes to Washington, assembled them in the shadow of the Washington Monument and became a weeklong magnet for people wanting to see what these technology-filled homes were all about. To many visitors, they no longer looked like oddball experiments, but dwellings that had the look and feel - although smaller - of houses in suburbia. Even storm clouds and drizzle didn't keep the curious from standing in long lines one afternoon to look at the one-bedroom homes that had been assembled by students from 16 states, Puerto Rico and three foreign countries. As the rain fell, batteries hidden beneath attached decks and porches provided the juice from energy that had been absorbed on sunny days. Judges ranked each of the houses on 10 criteria, from architecture to market viability to engineering to livability. They required students to wash clothes, prepare meals, run a television, maintain comfortable temperatures and even use excess power to drive a plug-in electric car - and finish the week having used no more electricity than the sun provided. A team of students from Germany's Technische Universitat Darmstadt won the weeklong competition as judges concluded their box-like dwelling was the most efficient, well-designed and well-engineered home in the competition. It featured three walls of solar cell-imbedded louvers that were adjusted automatically by a computer to best take advantage of the sun. The German design "pushed the envelope on all levels," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said in announcing the winner Friday, calling it "the house people have been lining up all week to watch." A team from the University of Maryland finished second. Visitors touring their house were attracted by an indoor waterfall that provided a novel way to use a liquid desiccant to soak up humidity so less energy was needed for cooling. "The concept is sound," said Brian Borak, 25, a chemistry major, adding that it's been used in industrial applications, but never in a residential situation. The university is thinking of filing a patent. Renewable energy sources - mostly wind turbines - account for a little more than 2 percent of electricity production. A very small percentage comes from solar, or photovoltaic, cells such as those used in the houses on the Mall, according the Energy Department. But in the two years since the last Solar Decathlon, the competing house designs have become more mainstream, according to judges and participants. For the first time a category of "market appeal" was added to the criteria on which teams were judged. While the prototype homes were said to cost $500,000 or more to design, ship and erect, they also contained many features that are commercially available, according to competition organizers. "In 2005 (the houses) were experiments. This year they're not. ... They're an example of what can be done," said Bob Burt, a building consultant who was one of the judges ranking the homes on market appeal. "There are a couple of houses that when I first walked in I said, 'Yeah, I could live here.'" Leo and Darlene Michitsch, visiting from Cleveland, saw in the homes not only a glimpse into the future, but also a hint of something here today. 
"We have an interest in putting improvements into our home," said Darlene, who teaches art at a university. The couple had already visited several of the houses and "we're learning a lot," she said. Lori Johnson, of Lakewood, Colo., said the modernistic design of most of the houses "is not my style" but they had piqued her interest in solar. "We've talked about the idea of (using) more solar in our home," she said, noting that Colorado had ideal conditions for the technology. "These houses, generally speaking, are much more real, much more part of the next generation of something that is actually going to be built," said Bodman, the energy secretary, whose department sponsored the competition.more….http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071022/D8SE560G0.html

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Comment #149 posted by FoM on October 12, 2007 at 17:15:56 PT

whig
That was very pleasant. 
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Comment #148 posted by whig on October 12, 2007 at 16:31:17 PT

FoM
About 4:20 :)
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Comment #147 posted by FoM on October 12, 2007 at 16:09:17 PT

whig
How many minutes is the video? If I click on the link even if I don't watch the whole thing it charges for the whole thing. That's why I can't click on a movie video link.
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Comment #146 posted by whig on October 12, 2007 at 16:04:23 PT

FoM
If it's all one song, I hope you like this part -- I know you can't listen to much but this is my favorite band.Múmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTFmJk7fH0
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Comment #145 posted by FoM on October 12, 2007 at 12:04:59 PT

whig
I missed seeing your comment until I just posted. That video is so cool. He seems to be dead when it starts and then gets up off the gurney and it goes into the video. It's all one song.
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Comment #144 posted by FoM on October 12, 2007 at 12:01:30 PT

museman
I'm so glad you got to talk to runruff. He's home where he always belonged. Thank you for the update.
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Comment #143 posted by museman on October 12, 2007 at 11:40:44 PT

runruff
I am pleased to announce that Jerry is now at home, although he is still confined to his house with an ankle bracelet. Just talked to him on the phone. He cannot get online just yet, I'm not sure why, but it probably won't be too long.
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Comment #142 posted by whig on October 10, 2007 at 22:57:12 PT

It's all one song
Hadn't heard that before, but it is, and we're all singing it together.
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Comment #141 posted by whig on October 10, 2007 at 22:56:15 PT

FoM
I've heard the song before, certainly. Never saw the video, it's interesting with him in the clerical collar.
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Comment #140 posted by FoM on October 10, 2007 at 17:36:08 PT

Whig
Have you ever watched this video? I love to play this song in the springtime really loud and the windows open! LOL!Mansion On The Hillhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqa-hdul3X0
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Comment #139 posted by FoM on October 10, 2007 at 17:17:07 PT

whig
I agree. Like Neil said: It's all one song. Being reintroduced to his music after many years of not hearing his music with the CD and Play Greendale I became an instant fan for life. 
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Comment #138 posted by whig on October 10, 2007 at 17:09:22 PT

Something I like
Neil obviously wanted to let these videos come out because it really is good for everyone to hear it, more people exposed means you'll sell more albums I think, even if you lose some sales at the margins. And the purpose of music, after all, is to be heard. I love that.
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Comment #137 posted by whig on October 10, 2007 at 17:06:00 PT

FoM
There's some deep philosophy here I think and I definitely don't want to put words in Neil's mouth he's going to have his own statement in his album really soon.
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Comment #136 posted by FoM on October 10, 2007 at 16:27:50 PT

whig
I'm glad you like it. I am humming it in my head. I listened to it twice today. I would love to listen to it for many plays but can't but the CD will be out soon. I am interested in hearing the song called No Hidden Path. The people who got early preview cds said it is really good and it's long. I think it is at least 11 minutes. I like the lyrics. The Way is so sweet. A man who can write and then sing Let's Impeach The President and then The Way is amazing. 
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Comment #135 posted by whig on October 10, 2007 at 16:11:36 PT

FoM
Good song. Interesting ending. This should be a good album.
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on October 10, 2007 at 15:26:02 PT

Link to Neil Young's New Song: The Way
This is a waltz with a children's choir and it is so upliftng. I think we all need something like this these days or at least I do. Enjoy!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEZU_UuTwo
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Comment #133 posted by FoM on October 09, 2007 at 17:53:21 PT

Off Topic: Chrome Dreams II 
For Neil fans I listened to the 4 songs. The one that I liked the most was called The Way. Neil has a children's choir singing along. It really is beautiful. I didn't like Dirty Old Man though. http://www.myspace.com/neilyoung 

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Comment #132 posted by FoM on October 04, 2007 at 11:30:24 PT

whig
I agree with Neil too.
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Comment #131 posted by whig on October 04, 2007 at 11:20:05 PT

FoM
I agree with what Neil said about Bill Clinton.
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on October 04, 2007 at 11:01:03 PT

Neil Young's Views on Politics
Thursday October 4, 2007Excerpt: Unlike our 2002 meeting, when he was struggling to articulate his thoughts on 9/11, Young is now only too eager to address current events. Even so, his thoughts are, much like his music, often impulsive. Young has never been accused of behaving like a textbook liberal. In the late 60s, he wrote Ohio, an outraged response to the deaths of four students at the hands of the National Guard at Kent State University. It stands as one of the greatest protest songs to emerge from the era. By the 80s, in stark contrast, Young briefly emerged as a supporter of then president Ronald Reagan. Today, he is equally contrary."This will be seen as the dark ages of vision where it was right in front of us," he says. "Why are all these people upset? What did we do? There has to be a reason. You have to go back through history, and see what we've done to these little countries how we've manhandled them into doing different things in the name of doing good. We didn't realise that our way of life is not the only way of life."He sits and thinks for a while. Back in the 60s, Young marched in protest against the war in Vietnam. He tells me that the liberal idealism of the era was a success. Then, abruptly, his thoughts turn to Bill Clinton. "In this country we had a bad group of events starting with Bill Clinton and leading up to [George W] Bush. Clinton was a catalyst for a lot of this stuff because he played out on a moral stage a very bad scenario. He lied directly to the American people about something that has to do with core family values. He's not a bad person; he made a mistake. But in lying he made a much worse mistake. And although it was very human and people forgive him for doing that, he gave the other side, the conservative side, the aggressive side, a huge opening. If it hadn't been for what he did, Al Gore would have been president. We would have had a president who understands the environment. We would have had a smart man in there."Complete Article: http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/story/0,,2183160,00.html
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Comment #129 posted by FoM on September 26, 2007 at 10:36:24 PT

museman
That's what I want to hear. 
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Comment #128 posted by museman on September 26, 2007 at 10:30:29 PT

FoM
Glad to hear! Too bad I didn't know, I just spent a week in Eugene building that studio.I anticipate that the problem will be clarified when I get the opportunity to speak with Jerry. It is a pretty petty issue (that I can't talk about,) and once Jerry and I are able to talk face to face, I expect the bumps to get ironed out, at least between Jerry and I. Jerry is a logical, and reasonable man, not prone to hysterics and over-reaction, so I have a reasonable expectation of resolution once all the facts (of the 'issue') are on the table for discussion and in view.And that's probably all that needs to be said on the subject.
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Comment #127 posted by FoM on September 26, 2007 at 10:14:29 PT

museman
Runruff posted here already a couple of times. He is in a half way house in Eugene, Oregon and should be home in a couple of weeks. If the two of you had a falling out, talk it out, because friends are to valuable to not try to work it out.
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Comment #126 posted by museman on September 26, 2007 at 10:00:13 PT

FoM
I'm afraid I can't offer any news about Jerry. As I explained in an earlier post, circumstances about which I cannot publicly reveal have effectively cut off my connection. He is probably angry with me, which would explain why I haven't gotten any word from him in a while.I wish I could explain better, but out of respect for the people concerned I cannot.I do expect his release any day now. If his orginal release date -parole - was last month, he could be getting out as we write. Everyone will just have to wait until word comes back, runruffswife posts some news, or Jerry himnself lets us know. Wish I had more to offer.
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Comment #125 posted by FoM on September 26, 2007 at 09:39:26 PT

museman
Have you talked to runruff yet? He isn't home yet I don't think. I can't wait until he is home and free to talk. Good news about the studio. I enjoy your music.
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Comment #124 posted by museman on September 26, 2007 at 09:34:49 PT

rainbow gathering
Well, I went...for 3 days. Froze our asses off. When it snowed we decided to make tracks for lower altitude. Too cold to play music. Too cold to do anything but huddle.Nice group of folks though. Maybe next year.Spent the last week building a studio with my sons. Haven't worked that hard in years. Got pains in places you wouldn't believe. There will be much music coming out of that room though, so it was worth it.That's where I have been.
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Comment #123 posted by FoM on September 26, 2007 at 07:55:36 PT

Harvest Moon
Tonight we will have a full moon so I thought this was a good song.Neil Young - Harvest Moonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXnvNwGTAY
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Comment #122 posted by Hope on September 26, 2007 at 03:36:25 PT

Had Enough Comment 115
I was just thinking the other day about that shade of greenish color those early tinted windows were. The first car my family had with them, I recall that I found them fascinating. They kind of made your eyes feel strange when you got out of them or rolled the windows down.It tickled me to see that in your Lincoln pictures.
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Comment #121 posted by whig on September 25, 2007 at 22:26:41 PT

Jethro Tull
I did get to see them perform once in a fairly small space, the AJ Palumbo Center in Pittsburgh. I respect them for having become popular but then staying true to their own roots.
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Comment #120 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 19:57:02 PT

Had Enough
We bought a 64 and a half black mustang back in the 80s. We bought it from the original owner who worked at Ford and had ordered it. He and his wife ran away and got married in it. It only had 28,000 miles and it wasn't driven much and kept covered in a garage. It was beautiful. We kept it for 10 years and then it was time to sell it. It was a four speed. I never drove it because it was too powerful for me or at least I thought it was. It was a real motorhead car. I'm glad we had it for that time.
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Comment #119 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 19:48:18 PT

I love old cars…

Those were cars…Made from metal and had their own character, plastic was just coming about to replace steel with plastic (dead dinosaurs) about that time. From the 1980’s on it seems the cars have more plastic than steel.Yes FoM, I agree…They don’t makem like they useta…*********The Chrome does look good.Think about the title of Neils album…
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Comment #118 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 19:44:27 PT

Had Enough
Beautiful pictures. I love all the chrome. 
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Comment #117 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 19:37:28 PT

Broken Links
Try this link for more pictures of the Lincoln.The other link didn’t work for some reason.http://home.xnet.com/~otis/Lincoln/Man what a nice ride….

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Comment #116 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 19:34:39 PT

Had Enough
That is a beautiful car. They knew how to make them. Nowaday's cars don't have class I don't think. They all look the same to me. Some big and some small but too much plastic. I don't like plastic dashboards. 
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Comment #115 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 19:28:47 PT

Hot Rod Lincolns
This is a 1959 Lincoln Continental Mark IV just like the one mentioned in the Neil Young article you linked us to.Beautiful car.Check out the hood ornament in these two pics. It might look familiar.http://home.xnet.com/~otis/Lincoln/IMG_3466_1280x1024.jpghttp://home.xnet.com/~otis/Lincoln/IMG_3750_1280x1024.jpg.
more pictures of the Lincoln found here
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Comment #114 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 17:38:34 PT

Had Enough
Jethro Tull was very popular on the radio back in the 70s. I'm glad you got to see them. There is something about concerts that stick with us forever. I have great memories from Neil's concerts that I was fortunate enough to see.
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Comment #113 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 17:33:54 PT

Tune for Thoughts
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - Madison Sq. Garden 1978http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHlMD50eYYI saw these guys live twice. I’ll never forget it.

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Comment #112 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 17:32:07 PT

Your quite welcome FoM. 
It’s the least I can do for all you do.

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Comment #111 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 17:20:00 PT

Had Enough
I didn't know any of that thank you.Whig if you mean before JFK assassination the USA had a lot of hope for a better tomorrow and it went down hill ever since then. 
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Comment #110 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 17:19:38 PT

Re: #109
America was, and still is a better place than Hhmmm, let me think….ChinaRussiaand probably anywhere you go in the Middle East…America is not the problem,It’s the people with saddened intents is where the problem lies.If JFK had lived, we would probably be seeing a different America than what you see now.
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Comment #109 posted by whig on September 25, 2007 at 16:49:02 PT

Had Enough
So before the coup, was America a nice place?
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Comment #108 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 16:46:46 PT

Clarification again...
“After the assassination the grille was changed. I’m thinkin that the ornament was left off after the rebuild.’Should have said,The grille was changed shortly after delivery well before the assassination; the whole car was completely rebuilt after the murder. I’m thinkin that the ornament was left off after the rebuild.

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Comment #107 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 16:33:59 PT

It's for JFK
That is a hood ornament from an early 1960’s Lincoln.John F. Kennedy was killed in a 1961 Lincoln. It has the same hood ornament.Look at the last picture in this link of one labeled 1963. It’s the same one Neil Young uses on his cover.http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/hood_ornaments/lincoln.html****After the assassination the grille was changed. I’m thinkin that the ornament was left off after the rebuild.“Delivered to the White House in mid-June 1961, the dark-blue car was dubbed the "X-100" by the Secret Service and fitted with DC license plates "GG-300." In September, the original grille was replaced with a 1962-model grille, apparently for aesthetic reasons. After the Kennedy assassination, the car was completely rebodied by Ford and Hess & Eisenhardt.”http://c.barat.free.fr/lincoln/limousine/limo.html****Here is a picture of the front of the car. It has the hood ornament.“This photograph by Associated Press photographer Ike Altgens captures President Kennedy's limousine as it proceeds down Elm Street in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Altgens_mary_ferrell.jpg*****Picture of the car now in Henry Ford MuseumAs you can see the hood ornament is gone, and the headlights are different.http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/image/73018983

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Comment #106 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 15:44:23 PT

Had Enough
Neil is doing something with his car. I think it's the car that is on Chrome Dreams II.Cover Art for Chrome Dreams II: http://tinyurl.com/3yqkkohttp://www.thrasherswheat.org/wheatfield.html
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Comment #105 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 15:33:09 PT

Had Enough
I sure will let museman know about runruff or runruff know about museman. I hope they get to see each other soon too.
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Comment #104 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 15:26:19 PT

And...
If museman posts, let him know about runruff.But why do I have that feeling you were already going to do that? :)*****You found the post. Cool.Thanks

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Comment #103 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 15:16:59 PT

Had Enough
It is going on until the 28th. He should have a lot to tell us when he gets back.http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread23277.shtml#87
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Comment #102 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 15:09:14 PT

Gathering
I think he said it was going on till the 27th. Not sure though.It was in his post the day he was leaving. If you can find it, it has the proper dates.

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Comment #101 posted by FoM on September 25, 2007 at 15:03:08 PT

Had Enough
I sure will let him know if he gets back here. I don't know why museman has been gone so long. The Rainbow Gathering must be over by now.
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Comment #100 posted by Had Enough on September 25, 2007 at 14:59:15 PT

FoM
If runruff posts again would you let him know that museman is at a Rainbow Gathering and is away from computers?He might have e-mailed musemans website and wondering why there is no sign of him. I figure that you would see his post before any of us and you can respond quicker than I could.

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Comment #99 posted by FoM on September 19, 2007 at 16:53:59 PT

Had Enough
I'll pass on the seminar! LOL!
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Comment #98 posted by Had Enough on September 19, 2007 at 16:46:13 PT

Utility to Use Batteries to Store Wind Power
 A recent article in the New York Times reported that Washington utility American Electric Power will install hugh banks of high-tech batteries as a way of connecting more wind power to its grid.
 The article goes on to say that the cost of the project is very high, $267 million for six MW of capacity, or about $4500 per kW, including the cost of substation improvements.
 Finally, the article reports that the batteries will use a sodium sulfur chemistry, operate at temperatures of more than 800°F, and will be the size of a double-decker bus.
 http://enews.penton.com/enews/powerquality/power_quality_news_beat/2007_september_18_september/display

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Comment #97 posted by Had Enough on September 19, 2007 at 16:34:25 PT

	HughesNet
FoM. Just found this in the Inbox. Get a load of this stuff.Too bad you can’t go to that seminar and ask a few questions.Maybe it’s better that you can’t be there, they might Taser you before it was over.******·	Distributed enterprises are discovering that their current networks—whether on dial-up or narrowband frame—need to be upgraded to meet their growing bandwidth and connectivity requirements. Today, they have to choose between an expensive MPLS VPN solution or accept the best-efforts reliability and limited reach of DSL-based broadband VPNs. Hughes offers new managed network solutions that deliver the value and performance of broadband VPNs, with true nation-wide coverage, while also offering reliability options that can exceed the typical availability of MPLS implementations.·	Join Hughes Network Systems for this eSeminar and discover: 
	.	The pros and cons of traditional Broadband VPN and MPLS offerings 
	.	What the new HughesNet Optimized and High Availability VPN services offer 
	.	How to determine which solution is right for your companyhttp://www.eseminarslive.com/article2/0,2144,2180437,00.asp

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Comment #96 posted by FoM on September 18, 2007 at 12:28:17 PT

Had Enough
You're welcome. Enjoy. I am looking forward to Chrome Dreams II. The lyrics seem very interesting.
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Comment #95 posted by Had Enough on September 18, 2007 at 11:46:43 PT

Thanks FoM
Thanks FoMGot Ordinary People Live and Studio version. Will listen to it later tonight.Found Farm Aid Concert videos too.********http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdailyTODAY'S BIRTHDAYS 	
 	Frankie Avalon, 68 	Xzibit, 33 	
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Comment #94 posted by FoM on September 18, 2007 at 08:28:32 PT

Had Enough
You can download Ordinary People on this link. The third one seems to be the best quality. You can go to Farm Aid and watch different musicians for a week I read. http://thesongdog.rusties.net/sounds/
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Comment #93 posted by Had Enough on September 18, 2007 at 08:19:55 PT

Farm Aid
Re: FoM #82I was able to get the Neil Young portion of Farm Aid but that was it. Couldn’t find the Chrome Dreams or the rest of the concert.Farm Aid 2007 picshttp://www.webshots.com/search?query=FARM+AID+2007

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Comment #92 posted by FoM on September 17, 2007 at 10:30:09 PT

Opinion from The Oregon Daily Emerald
Have a Good Trip, See You Next Fall...Maybe***By Josh Grenzsund, ColumnistSeptember 17, 2007 
 
Congratulations. You've made the cut to attend this illustrious West Coast institution - an NCAA powerhouse, home of respected environmental law, journalism and physics programs, and bastion of pseudo-hippie illicit drug use. In short there's something for everyone. And as you make your way through this establishment, the classes you choose to take over the next four years will make up one significant part of your professional identity. Choose wisely, because your academic major will greatly define you - both in the work force and in the social world. The other very significant aspect of the construction of your professional and social identities will depend on how you approach the non-academic "recreational" aspect of college life. Sure, recreation can mean clubs, organizations and sports, but let's cut the crap. College recreation orbits around two large social objects - alcohol and drugs.Your overall identity will greatly be defined by your participation in these areas over the next four years because your use or non-use will greatly influence who you associate with, the activities you partake in and your relationship with the law.For those of you abstaining from every substance from heroin to caffeine, I can't relate to you, so you should stop reading this. The next time I have any interaction with you straight-edged freaks will probably be when I'm voting for your opponent in some election or fighting one of your proposed constitutional amendments to limit individual rights. For those of you who are currently recreating or considering trying something harder than Dutch Bros, don't just follow the crowd, do a little research and approach your enrollment in drug courses sensibly.Anti-drug propaganda teaches you to parrot out the phrase that "marijuana is the gateway drug," but two other substances lead more people to illegal substance abuse - alcohol and tobacco.CDC statistics on substance use among high school students show that by their senior year 47 percent of students have tried alcohol and 23 percent have tried tobacco, while only 19 percent have tried marijuana. Interestingly, the use of these "big three" substances remains fairly stable from high school into the 18-25 young adult age group. Nationwide about 53 percent of young adults drink alcohol, 23 percent smoke cigarettes, and 16 percent smoke marijuana, according to CDC and Department of Health and Human Services statistics.Of course most of the stigma associated with the illegality of students' use of alcohol and tobacco is mitigated by the fact that people age out of the illegality of those substances. Conversely, marijuana is among the drugs listed on Federal and State Controlled Substance Schedules, so a user of marijuana maintains this stigma of illegality. Controlled substances are broken into five categories, or schedules, that correspond with the severity of the penalty for use, production or possession. Schedule one drugs include heroin, LSD, ecstasy, peyote, mescaline, psilocybin and marijuana. Schedule two drugs are opium, cocaine and methamphetamine, while schedule three drugs are amphetamine, depressants and PCP.This is information you should definitely consider before seeking out and taking drugs. The surprise, to me anyhow, is that marijuana is listed on schedule one while something as destructive as meth is on schedule two. But these schedules are greatly arbitrary and should only be used to gauge the level of relative illegality of drugs. In truth, any drug can screw up your life, and there are plenty of "lifelong abstainers" who have screwed up professional and personal lives without the help of any drugs at all.Conversely, many people have very successful lives after using drugs. Though he used cocaine, you will see that Sigmund Freud still carries massive sway in academics. Though Bill Clinton smoked pot, we elected him president for two terms. Even presidential hopeful Barack Obama has admitted to smoking pot - and inhaling. He also smokes cigarettes and still he has a great chance at the presidency.Use of certain drugs and abstention from others in college will ingratiate you to some people and mark you as a pariah to others. For example, you heavy pot smokers are probably not hanging out much with those who draw the line with Coke - the drink, not the powder. And you straight-edgers - I told you to stop reading - you probably don't spend time at bars and kegs. Your drug use transcript is a social code for who and what you want to be associated with, and what you don't.Also, as society changes, the attitudes towards the past or current use of certain substances will go in and out of favor and there is always the possibility that drug laws established in the early part of the 20th century will be overturned. Remember the 18th and 21st amendments - goodbye prohibition, and good riddance.In our country, illegality of a substance does not end its use and likewise legality does not translate to ubiquitous use. But also, your drug use or abstention will influence your relation to the law, to society, and will likely affect you for the rest of your life. But it's a free country, and you are completely free to break the law. So, welcome to the University of Oregon, keep your arms and legs inside at all times, and if you so choose, enjoy your trip : ).The Drug Enforcement Agency says that more than one in 10 of you will.Contact: jgrenzsund dailyemerald.com  
Copyright: 2007 Oregon Daily EmeraldURL: http://tinyurl.com/2ft4vd

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Comment #91 posted by FoM on September 16, 2007 at 09:37:05 PT

Dylan and the Beatles: Together Again!
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1662350-1,00.html
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Comment #90 posted by whig on September 14, 2007 at 13:42:58 PT

Museman
Hope you have a good time. One of these days maybe I'll be able to visit something like that.
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Comment #89 posted by FoM on September 14, 2007 at 11:06:52 PT

Museman 
Excerpt: “Our biggest job is informing the community about the event and trying to go out on rumor patrol and fix people’s perceptions of the group. Because it’s a different culture than we’re used to here in Prineville, there’s a lot of fear and rumors,” said Brandon Smith, a commander with the Crook County Sheriff’s Office. “But just like anybody, these folks want to come out and enjoy our beautiful woods.”http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070908/NEWS0107/709080487/1007
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Comment #88 posted by FoM on September 14, 2007 at 10:49:32 PT

museman
Have a wonderful time. I'll be with you in Spirit.
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Comment #87 posted by museman on September 14, 2007 at 10:46:50 PT

A Rainbow Gathering
Regional gathering in central Oregon. Started the 11th, running until the 28th.In between Prineville and Mitchell Ore off Hwy 26.Leaving momentarily.
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Comment #86 posted by FoM on September 14, 2007 at 10:43:43 PT

For Neil Young Fans: Chrome Dreams II Lyrics
No Hidden Path***Sometimes when I go walkin’Among the tall treesI feel the light comin’ down on meUnder moon, under sunI feel the chosen oneThrough the mist, come walkin’ here with meComplete Lyrics: http://www.thrasherswheat.org/2007/09/chrome-dreams-ii-lyrics-and-liner-notes.html
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Comment #85 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 17:03:34 PT

Greedy Rabbi
He is responsible for his congregation, or they are responsible for him, and either way, he should be out.
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Comment #84 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 17:02:29 PT

Greedy Temple
While people go hungry, they decorate their synagogue with finery.
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Comment #83 posted by whig on September 11, 2007 at 16:59:56 PT

Had Enough
That's a lot of money. I wonder what kind of tsedaka their congregation could be doing with that kind of money.
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Comment #82 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 16:01:03 PT

Had Enough
I don't recognize the person who passed away but 55 is way too young to be done living I think. You can download the songs on this link from Farm Aid. You can get Neil's new song (OP) on the rust list. It's great and it's 18 minutes long. I listened to it about 6 times before I turned it off. LOL!PS: The song you must find on the rust list is on Chrome Dreams II.http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/188197
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Comment #81 posted by Had Enough on September 11, 2007 at 15:23:26 PT

FoM 
FoM re:#69I’ve always loved that tune. When all the ‘big hair’ bands and ‘heavy metal’ stuff was going on with multiple Marshall Amps cranked wide open with a dozen or so gizmo boxes and petals between the amp and guitar, I used to think; What happened to the music??? One of tunes I used to refer to is that one right there.Couldn’t get farm aid. Tried looking on Internet with no results. We don’t have satellite radio.

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Comment #80 posted by Had Enough on September 11, 2007 at 15:23:22 PT

Southern rock icon dies at his Brooksville home

TAMPA - In 1975, the southern rock band the Outlaws opened for Kiss, a new group with a front man the world hardly knew a lick about. But Kiss' Gene Simmons knew about promotion, and he was generous enough to coach Outlaws' lead guitarist and vocalist Hughie Thomasson. "You're a great guitar player," Outlaw drummer Monte Yoho recalled Simmons saying. "But you're lacking something." "What's that?" Mr. Thomasson asked. "A stance," Simmons said. And so Mr. Thomasson crouched and extended his left leg, an enduring pose as memorable as his high-pitched voice and high-speed fingers. Mr. Thomasson, 55, died late Sunday of an apparent heart attack at his Brooksville home, band tour manager Chuck Smith said. Mr. Thomasson had fallen asleep in his favorite chair after dinner out, Smith said. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Outlaws, a Tampa band, toured with Janis Joplin and Creedence Clearwater Revival. The band's debut album, The Outlaws, spent 16 weeks on the charts in 1975 and led to 11 more releases on Arista Records. Green Grass & High Tides, the band's hit 1975 song was named one of Country Music Television's top 20 greatest Southern rock songs. Drummer David Dix's father first spotted young Hughie playing in a beach pavilion outside Egypt Lake. At the first practice, Dix's band launched into a rock standard, and Mr. Thomasson took off on the guitar. "He commanded attention," Dix said. The teen band's existing guitar player stormed out in frustration, Dix said. Mr. Thomasson owned 14 guitars over the years, naming each, including Louise, a favorite. He switched guitars when he felt a different colored one might help him play better. The Outlaws disbanded in the 1990s, when Mr. Thomasson was offered a spot in Lynyrd Skynyrd. He played for nine years until 2005, when he decided to reform the Outlaws. 
more…http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/11/Hillsborough/Southern_rock_icon_di.shtml
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Comment #79 posted by Had Enough on September 11, 2007 at 15:23:15 PT

More than church seats 
‘right in front of the Rabbi!’ for sale.Boy it sure does cost a lot of money to be a member.While clicking on their website I ran across this.rchandler is from that area I believe. Maybe he has driven by that building before.Dedication Opportunities“We record names in sacred places, We recall loved ones in hallowed moments.”Tree of Life Located on the Hallway of the reception area, Temple Emanu-El’s “Tree of Life” it’s a beautiful way to remember special milestones as Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, Anniversaries, Birthdays, Graduations, pay a tribute to a dear friend or honor your children and family.Oval Plaques $1,000 Leaves $500******Hall of RemembranceStars $6,000Hexagons $4,000Yahrzeit Plaques
Located inside the Abraham Frost Sanctuary. They are lit on the week of your loved one’s yahrzeit. Yahrzeit Plaques $1,000******More Dedication OportunitiesDove of Peace Sculpture 	$1,000,000 Cultural Arts Center 	$1,000,000 Main Foyer 	$500,000 Main Entrance Jerusalem 	$500,000Steps & Promenade 	$500,000 Hall of Remembrance 	$500,000 Tree of Life Doors 	$250,000 Jerusalem Lanterns 	$250,000 
 	 Museum of Jewish History 	$125,000 Noah Stained Glass Window	$125,000 Creation Mosaic 	$100,000 Date Stained Glass Window 	$100,000 Barley Stained Glass Window 	$100,000 Wheat Stained Glass Window 	$100,000 Museum of Jewish History Theater 	$75,000 Hall of Remembrance Inglenook 	$50,000 Talit Lights Sanctuary 	$25,000Talit Lights Chapel 	$25,000 Prayer Book Lights 	$25,000 
 	 Tzedakah Sculpture 	$20,000 Yarmulke Sculpture 	$20,000 Temple's Entrance Mezuzah 	$10,000 Sanctuary's Mezuzah 	$10,000Hall of Remembrance Benches (2) 	$10,000Wall of Remembrance Stars 	$6,000 Wall of Remembrance Hexagons 	$4,000 Mezuzot 	$1,800the above found here… http://tesobe.org/dedication.htmlPicture of Church/Templehttp://www.nmajh.org/exhibitions/postcards/cards/09.htm
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on September 11, 2007 at 08:44:44 PT

We Knew That
Big Houses Are Not Green: America's McMansion Problemhttp://alternet.org/environment/61523/
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 20:47:30 PT

ekim
I think it just has a double meaning now. I'm sure he still is the way he always was. Farm Aid on XM Radio was good. We listened until it was over. The best part was The Allman Brothers Band I think. 
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Comment #76 posted by ekim on September 10, 2007 at 20:24:11 PT

homegrown
i hope Neil changes it back 
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on September 10, 2007 at 06:12:12 PT

For Those Who Want To Hear Neil at Farm-Aid
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/188197
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Comment #74 posted by whig on September 09, 2007 at 22:45:49 PT

Had Enough
If a temple wants to raise money from its own members that's its business, I don't have to belong and I don't.When it goes out auctioning seats on eBay, it's a shame and a disgrace.I know that if you have a physical building you have expenses and those have to be paid for somehow.I'm trying to be understanding, and fair. What would you have us do?
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on September 09, 2007 at 22:11:49 PT

BGreen
I know exactly what you mean!
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Comment #72 posted by BGreen on September 09, 2007 at 22:02:30 PT

Good thing those front seats
Good thing those front seats aren't in a Baptist church. They couldn't give those seats away. LOLFor those that don't get the joke, for some reason, in most Baptist churches, nobody wants to sit on the front row. It's usually the last row to fill up. It may have something to do with the volume level of Baptist preachers who tend to get riled up and shout quite a bit.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on September 09, 2007 at 15:05:45 PT

Farm Aid 2007
I don't if anyone is listening to Farm Aid but I have never heard it sound better. Gregg Allman and
The Allman Brothers Band are up next. It's all rock and roll since 4 pm when it started on the radio and maybe that's because it's in New York and it's really good.The Line Uphttp://farmaid.blogspot.com/2007/09/long-awaited-lineup.html
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on September 09, 2007 at 11:29:23 PT

Farm Aid on XM40
The live concerts starts at 4PM ET until it's over. We have 14 speakers that will be playing the concert. 9 in the living room alone! LOL! It will be a great evening and I hope that some here will check it out too. They are playing short interviews from Farm Aid already.http://www.xmradio.com/onxm/channelpage.xmc?ch=40
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on September 09, 2007 at 10:49:10 PT

Had Enough
This is what came to me.And the sign said everybody welcome, come in, kneel down and pray But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a penny to pay, so I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign I said thank you Lord for thinking about me, I'm alive and doing fine http://www.fivemanelectricalband.ca/signslyrics.html
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Comment #68 posted by Had Enough on September 09, 2007 at 10:22:00 PT

They’re trying to buy the Stairway to Heaven
“At Temple Emanu-El, two seats cost $1,800 for congregation members.”They are all disgraceful. Shame on all of them.*******http://www.noolmusic.com/blogs/YouTube_Music_Videos_60s_70s_-_Led_Zeppelin_-_Stairway_To_Heaven_Live.shtml

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Comment #67 posted by whig on September 09, 2007 at 09:39:21 PT

Had Enough
The disgrace is not what people will pay, as nobody has offered a thing for his seats. The disgrace is the Rabbi.He is a shanda.
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Comment #66 posted by whig on September 09, 2007 at 09:30:28 PT

Jerry Jacobs
Why not just sell naming rights to a local corporation?
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Comment #65 posted by Had Enough on September 09, 2007 at 09:10:35 PT

‘right in front of the Rabbi!’
I know people who could use that kind of money and put it to better use than where it is going now.That is just disgraceful someone would give that much money for comfortable seats ‘right in front of the Rabbi!’ when there are people who need food and shelter.

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Comment #64 posted by FoM on September 09, 2007 at 09:00:31 PT

Had Enough
Some people will buy anything it seems. Look at how people got into paying so much money for bottled water and all it is is tap water most times I read. Bottled water costs more then oil per gallon I think. Give me my deep water well water. It's great. 
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Comment #63 posted by Had Enough on September 09, 2007 at 08:55:06 PT

Church Seats for Sale - 1.8 mil
Global News Florida synagogue offers front row seats on eBay for $1.8M 06 September 2007 A synagogue in Florida is offering two front row seats for sale on the eBay internet auction site. Temple Emanu-El in Miami Beach is offering ‘membership for life’ with the two ‘front and center’ seats. The starting price is $1.8m dollars although there were no bids within the first 24 hours. The auction is scheduled to end on 10 September. According to the listing on eBay, the package includes: Two comfortable seats ‘right in front of the Rabbi!’; Includes all Jewish holidays and all Shabbat services; Family name engraved on the seats; Two custom-made Israeli tallitot and kippot; and free parking.Temple President Jerry Jacobs said. “I don't want to use the word `gimmick,' but it's a way for us to get the community involved in what we're doing. Here you can have the two best seats in the house, and they'll be in your family forever. We chose $1.8 million to represent chai and that these seats would be yours for life”….and…At Temple Emanu-El, two seats cost $1,800 for congregation members. more…http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/news/globalnews/gn_archives/2007/09/gn_070906_florida.htmlGet a load of this stuff.I guess the more money you pay, the holier thy art.Front and center, free parking, family names engraved in the seats and all.

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Comment #62 posted by FoM on September 07, 2007 at 14:38:46 PT

Farm Aid 2007: XM Satellite Radio
I am happy about this news.XM Satellite Radio to Broadcast Farm Aid ConcertsXM Satellite Radio has announced that they will again be offering radio coverage of this year’s Farm Aid, broadcasting from Randall’s Island in New York City. This is xm’s third year in a row of broadcasting the concert.xm’s new channel “XMX” (XM2) and deep classic rock channel “Deep Tracks” (XM 40) will be on-site in Randalls Island, NY to broadcast live from Farm Aid 2007 on Sunday, September 9, featuring performances from Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Mellencamp, Dave Matthews, among others.xm’s live coverage for Farm Aid 2007 kicks off Sunday, September 9 at 4pm ET on XM 2 and XM 40. In advance of the live broadcast, beginning Saturday xm will be airing “Farm Aid Radio,” featuring some of the best performances from past Farm Aid concerts along with interview segments and songs by the artists headlining this years’ Farm Aid. The broadcast begins Saturday, September 8 at 12 midnight ET on XM 2. http://stillisstillmoving.com/?p=2230
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on September 07, 2007 at 06:24:40 PT

Track List for Chrome Dreams II
This is the Amazon link and it looks like another good spiritual album by Neil. I can't wait to hear Ordinary People.http://tinyurl.com/2fr9oy
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on September 06, 2007 at 20:29:40 PT

whig
Glad you liked it. I really like that song. Leonard Cohen reminds me of a complicated person who has a different way of seeing things and it is refreshing. Neil Young is that way too. I'm looking forward to Chrome Dreams II. I'm really hoping for a tour like has been rumored. 
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Comment #59 posted by whig on September 06, 2007 at 20:24:15 PT

FoM
Love it. :)
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 06, 2007 at 12:45:50 PT

For Those Who Can Watch Youtube
I have the Best of Leonard Cohen on CD and today I wanted to hear this song called Hallelujah and maybe some here might appreciate it too.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf36v0epfmI
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Comment #57 posted by whig on September 05, 2007 at 22:27:28 PT

Had Enough
It's an entertaining movie and I love Milla Jovavich. She plays the girl in the movie and when she used to make music her label was "Sense 'o Milla productions"She's also a pretty famous actress and fashion model these days.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on September 05, 2007 at 14:17:51 PT

Had Enough
I guess I'm not missing something! LOL!
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Comment #55 posted by Had Enough on September 05, 2007 at 13:51:42 PT

Opps 

I jumped the gun here...The last half of the video. Not so cool.I was watching this video and was distracted about half way through it.When I got back I posted it, then watched the rest.Some parts still good though.

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Comment #54 posted by Had Enough on September 05, 2007 at 13:33:15 PT

Cool Video
Stumbled across this looking for something else.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iIDx5S9mWg

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Comment #53 posted by FoM on September 01, 2007 at 11:39:46 PT

New Movie: The 11th Hour
http://wip.warnerbros.com/11thhour/
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on August 29, 2007 at 13:46:17 PT

museman
I so appreciate your comment about Neil Young. That means a lot to me. I am only sorry that I only found out he was still touring by chance in early 03. I have seen 4 concerts and I just loved them. I actually saw Greendale outside and inside in the winter and the Freedom of Speech tour two times. 
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Comment #51 posted by museman on August 29, 2007 at 13:37:16 PT

FoM
Yes, Neil might've got contracted, but he kept his soul. Mr. Young is a unique exception to the rule of 'rock star' corruption.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on August 29, 2007 at 13:21:01 PT

museman
Ticketmaster and Clear Channel! My husband and I worked a real concert in the rain with about 10,000 people back in the 70s. Peter Frampton, J Geils Band, Black Oak Arkansas and Ambrosia are groups I remember from that day. Now that was a concert.PS: Very little alcohol was there but plenty of Pot and LSD. We had a good doctor there to help people who went off the deep end and needed help. It was wonderful. Now well I love Neil so I put up with it! LOL!
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Comment #49 posted by museman on August 29, 2007 at 13:13:20 PT

Death of Music
"“American Pie” is a song by Don McLean from the early 1970s. Through its poetry it tells a story of America going down the tubes. How did Don know to prophesize these things through an allusion to fall out shelters and events like a dry levee?"That's an easy question to answer;"The Hippies Had It Right All Along."But don't stop with an abstractly obscure song by Don McLean as representative of 'prophecy' in music.The day the music died was the day that the music industry laid on the bucks to the musical leaders of the revolution, who almost all opened bank accounts and left their grass roots behind easily and quickly.The day the music died was the same day that the term 'yuppie' was coined.The day the music died was the day that xtian idiots burned beatles records in the streets, and began to preach John, Paul, George, and Ringo as modern demons instead of the prophets that they were.The day the music died was when people believed that 'music production' was the only true source of it, and the 'superstar' concept was born.The day the music died was when the guitar player on the street corner was first ignored by the one with a studio contract.The day the music died I was jammin' in the park, and when I opened my eyes, the whole audience had gone to ticketmaster.The music never died, it has just been ignored because it doesn't look hollywoood enough.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on August 29, 2007 at 09:25:18 PT

The Day The Music Died 
By Ken Driessen, HaywardWednesday, August 29th, 2007 
Editor:“American Pie” is a song by Don McLean from the early 1970s. Through its poetry it tells a story of America going down the tubes. How did Don know to prophesize these things through an allusion to fall out shelters and events like a dry levee?The song also is about God and the Bible. To that note how did the writers of the Bible know that a nation would rise up militarily and George W. Bush would be in control of enough nuclear weapons to be able to kill every man, woman and child on earth four times over? The Bible predicts that mankind will destroy ourselves and there will be some sort of final day, an end to life.The apocalypse will not be George W. Bush’s fault because he has proven as a chicken hawk war profiteer he has no faults. It is well documented that people around Bush planned the Iraq war long before he became the “war president.”Before their propaganda leads you to believe we now should attack Iran, familiarize yourself with the Project for a New American Century. They desired a “cataclysmic catalyzing event” like Pearl Harbor. These criminals are destroying our nation’s infrastructure with their lack of attention to anything but war and oil profits.You know the rest: torture of enemy combatants; our loss of civil liberties; selling weapons to Saudi Arabia (where the majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from); signing statements to avoid law — no different than anything a dictator like Hitler would get away with. The guilt of the Bushmen is beyond question, yet his accomplices in Congress refuse to hold him accountable through articles of impeachment. 
 
On the other hand, I believed that I had a right to control my mind and body and I called that liberty; for this I am being held accountable.Just like George W. Bush and over 94 million Americans, who according to U.S. government statistics tried marijuana at least once in their lives, I ignored the “law” and exercised my constitutional, inherent right to life, liberty and property.This does not mean I believe children should use marijuana. If marijuana was controlled similarly to alcohol and tobacco, it could be taxed and some of the monies could go to educating our children about drugs instead of lying to them and incarcerating their parents for choosing something natural over the lethal drugs sold by government backed pharmaceutical corporations.Although I will continue to believe that life is a miracle and try to love life in spite of my hardships; I will never forget Aug. 9, 2007. On that day I discovered beyond any reasonable doubt that the U.S. constitution is void. For me that was the day the music died. Copyright: 2007 MultiMedia Interactivehttp://haywardwis.com/record/index.php?section_id=37&story_id=234154
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Comment #47 posted by whig on August 27, 2007 at 20:54:09 PT

Alberto Gonzales leaving...
The acting Attorney General will be Paul Clement.This is an article you might find interesting.http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/gen/10903prs20050126.htmlExcerpt:WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Justice has notified Congress that it will not defend a law prohibiting the display of marijuana policy reform ads in public transit systems. The controversial statute was recently ruled unconstitutional by a federal district court. The Solicitor General Paul Clement stated in a letter to Congress that, "the government does not have a viable argument to advance in the statute's defense and will not appeal the district court's decision." Today is Congress' last day to respond to the federal appeals court in the D.C. Circuit."The Justice Department finally met a law so unconstitutional that it could not find any way to defend it," said Graham Boyd, Director of the ACLU Drug Law Reform Project. "Congress should stop trying to silence public discussion of the cruel and expensive failures of current marijuana laws." 
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on August 27, 2007 at 07:39:00 PT

Had Enough
I am so bubbly inside over this new tour. I can't wait! Do you know that I love Neil Young. LOL!
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Comment #45 posted by Had Enough on August 27, 2007 at 07:25:52 PT

Ticketmaster Reveals Info...
About Neil Young’s Fall TourLess than a week after Ticketmaster spilled the beans about Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band’s forthcoming tour, it looks like they prematurely announced a date for Neil Young’s fall tour, too. According to this page, Neil Young and Crazy Horse will play at the Keller Auditorium in Portland, Oregon, on October 22nd. Tickets go on sale Saturday, September 8th. Only one-third of Crazy Horse (drummer Ralph Molina) plays on the forthcoming Chrome Dreams II, but it looks like they’ll be the backing band on the tour. Young hasn’t toured solo since the 2003-04 Greendale tour.http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/08/24/ticketmaster-reveals-info-about-neil-youngs-fall-tour/?utm_source=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=email

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Comment #44 posted by FoM on August 26, 2007 at 07:02:38 PT

CSNY's Freedom of Speech Tour
I have just redid the Toronto Concert from last summer and it plays in surround sound and I feel like I am back at the concert last summer. I found this is the best way to get my eyes looking in the right direction. I hope everyone has a great day. I am looking forward to the new tour. 
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 21:09:46 PT

whig
Are we better then any other country? I don't think so. We should be treated the same.
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Comment #42 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 21:07:56 PT

FoM
On the other hand, if we don't punish our war criminals or provide some remedy, what should other nations do with us?
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 21:06:17 PT

whig
That sounds like a good and sensible solution. 
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Comment #40 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 21:04:20 PT

FoM
I think that if one nation attacks another there should be an international trial held. We need to evolve mechanisms like what we have for when one person attacks another, even though nations are much larger we can build a legal frameworks which is appropriate to try our own war criminals and those of other countries when they commit crimes against humanity.
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Comment #39 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 20:55:22 PT

whig
Yes I know what she is saying. My concern over the Clintons is I don't trust them. I can't help it I just don't. Mrs. Clinton was a Republican that became a Democrat. She is more a Republican then a Democrat. That is worrisome to me.
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Comment #38 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 20:45:00 PT

FoM
I think Hillary Clinton's time is up. She is saying that the Republicans would benefit from another terrorist attack. Many people have given up on her now.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 20:08:57 PT

whig
I agree. Reacting fast isn't good in anything we do much less a war situation. 
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 20:05:19 PT

Hope
I really don't understand the taste in music that seems to tag along with Republicans. I don't know if Neil will do anything for the Democrat that wins the nomination next year but he might. If it's Obama I bet he will. 
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Comment #35 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 20:01:15 PT

FoM #31
I don't like hypothetical cases like that because it isn't something that can be analyzed in abstract without context, what are the causes of the attack, what was the nature of the attack, could it have been prevented and if so why was it not? It would be very important not to make an impulsive response before we knew the facts because it could have been a false flag operation, for instance.
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on August 24, 2007 at 19:48:22 PT

The "Wildman"
has made public appearances, I believe, with our Governor, here in Texas, Rick Perry. He's a Bush backer, there's no doubt. Whether he's been invited to the White House or not, I don't know either.Anybody that associates with him should be ashamed... and probably, are. I would imagine that politicians, and the Wall Street Journal, which, as you know, recently published and op-ed or something written by Nugent, and any other right wingers are all trying to figure out a way to back pedal from their associations with him. They should be.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 19:24:52 PT

Hope
Thank you. You're right it could stir someone up to cause harm. We as human beings have a responsibility with what we say. We don't know how what we say can create good or bad. I was really surprised that he did concerts for Bush and I think he was at the White House too. I could be wrong on the White House. Musicians have people who follow them and listen to what they believe. What we say can cause harm.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on August 24, 2007 at 19:18:08 PT

If there is anyone in the NRA 
that has any sense at all, they will kick Ted Nugent out and disassociate themselves from him as far as possible. I have been a member myself. I'm not now. Having him on their board of directors adds an ungodly stench to what, I have always believed, is a worthwhile, rights protecting organization, that is absolutely beyond bearing for anyone with with even the slightest amount of integrity. Nugent is good reason to NOT be a member of the NRA and they better realize that, sooner, rather than later.He is doing so much for the anti-gun groups out there. All they have to say is, "Look at Ted Nugent". If anyone in the Republican party had any sense they would do the same. To allow Nugent to be a spokesman for any cause, other than sheer lunacy, is a huge mistake.He is so repulsive and disgusting. It seems obvious that he has broken some serious laws against threatening certain people. It seems to me that the Feds have a serious obligation to call on Nugent and ask some serious questions and bring charges. The law says "threaten"... and he certainly has.But, I'm guessing they're too busy busting medical marijuana people to bother with a vile piece of work like Nugent.Anybody else would already be in jail for voicing the threats he made.I think "Joking" was a poor choice of words to use in describing his public tirade. Joking? What was the joke? I don't get it. If the things he said weren't threats, and they were, at the very least, they were attempts to provoke the unstable into committing acts of violence.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 16:42:51 PT

whig
Let me ask you this. If a country, not a renegade like Bin Laden, attacked one or more of our cities what should we do then? It would be hard to attack us but if it did happen then what? 
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Comment #30 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 16:05:33 PT

FoM
There is no acceptable reason to go to war in this nuclear age. None.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 15:55:30 PT

whig
I am not for or against Hillary because she is a woman. I don't think she would do a bad job. She's tough and might turn out ok. As far as Obama and war he believes in talking to our enemies. That's how wars stop by talking to our enemy but he wants to talk before war not to end a war. He would be strong if needed but he would weigh his reasons to go to war I think. He thinks before he acts and that's wise.
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Comment #28 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 15:42:52 PT

FoM
I understand what you are saying but there are people who support Hillary Clinton because they want a woman to be president too. I won't support any candidate based on their physical characteristics. I do think that Barack Obama is a good man but I don't know how much he is against war and that is still a concern I have.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 14:53:46 PT

whig
I believe that there is still ill will towards black people in this day and age. One of the reasons that it would be good if Obama won is because no black person has ever been a President and that would help move us as a mixed culture of people in the right direction. Gays, Blacks, Jews, Mexicans and Pot Smokers are people. It's time we get away from this Waspy type thinking. 
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Comment #26 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 14:43:32 PT

FoM
There's still a large subset of the American population that is avowedly racist at its core. We need to address this.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 14:35:17 PT

whig
I know they are politicians. I just don't like how mean people like Nugent and O'Reilly are. Neil sang Let's Impeach The President but he didn't say anything except about Bush's policy. There is a line when crossed over that bothers me and what Nugent said crossed that line.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 14:12:12 PT

FoM
We have some bad'uns in the Democratic party too.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 12:59:18 PT

Whig
I'm just glad they are not Democrats. That would really bother me.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on August 24, 2007 at 12:40:41 PT

FoM
Ted Nugent is a lot of hot air and bluster, he wouldn't actually do anything but he likes to pretend he's a tough guy by using that kind of language. Bill O'Reilly too.
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 24, 2007 at 12:26:44 PT

Ted Nugent is a Reason Why Republicans Scare Me
In Obscenity-Laced Tirade, Ted Nugent Jokes of Killing Obama, Calls Clinton a 'Bitch' http://rawstory.com/news/2007/In_obscenitylaced_tirade_Ted_Nugent_jokes_0824.html
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on August 23, 2007 at 13:37:36 PT

About Neil Young's New CD
Excerpt: On the music itself, Young says, "Some early listeners have said that this album is positive and spiritual. I like to think it focuses on the human condition. Like many of my recordings, this one draws on earlier material here and there. I used to do that a lot back in the day. Some songs, like 'Ordinary People,' need to wait for the right time. I think now is the right time for that song and it lives well with the new songs I have written in the past few months. I had a blast making this music."http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/187144
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 23, 2007 at 10:54:57 PT

Had Enough
Thanks! I will have to keep my remote close to jump back and forth to see both Stephen Stills and Steve Earle.
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Comment #18 posted by Had Enough on August 23, 2007 at 10:35:06 PT

Rolling Stone Newsletter
TODAY'S ROCK ON TV (ALL TIMES EST) 
 NBC 11:35pm - The Tonight Show with Jay Leno: STEPHEN STILLS 12:35am - Late Night with Conan O'Brien: THE ACADEMY IS...1:35am - Last Call with Carson Daly: LILY ALLEN
 CBS 11:35pm - The Late Show with David Letterman: STEVE EARLE 12:35am - The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson: THE CLIKS

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Comment #17 posted by FoM on August 23, 2007 at 07:20:48 PT

Had Enough 
They advertise HughesNet as unbound. Now that is quite a stretch. I sure have learned patience using HughesNet. I hope that people who wrote to the Attorney General get them to change their policy or stop selling more of the product.
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Comment #16 posted by Had Enough on August 23, 2007 at 06:28:15 PT

Toker
The Thread: I knew you’d’ figure it out cool. It came along while you were unplugged. HugesNet has FoM bound and gagged too.Hot Rods, I love them. One day I would like to build a ZZ-Top car similar to the Eliminator. I just love the way the radiator grille sits in the front tilted back about 2 inches at the top and how it tapers to a point on the bottom and sweeps forward. That and the chopped rooflines do it for me. I’d use a small block Ford with an automatic for power.That motor you mentioned was the original 351 Cleveland motor. It developed into the 351/400 modified.  It’s not the same as the 351 small block.I had a service truck I had to drive that had one of those motors in it. It did the job well with very little problems. It was built by someone else and had my doubts about it when I got it, but it turned out great.I’ve had and or built almost but not all versions of the modern Ford V-8 (late 60’s on up) including a big block 460, still have that one. A friend of mine was a machinist at a local automotive machine shop. After hours we would go down there and build that 460. No one else was there and we had the run of the shop. We put heads on it from a 429, big ass cam, beefed up the valve train, made brackets and put it in a pickup truck chassis, re geared the rear end and hauled ass. Some Hot Rod pros estimated that motor to put out 450 hp maybe 475+. That thing would pass everything but gas stations. It still will but the body is rusted and shot out, and it’s been sitting for a while but that drive train is still intact. I’m thinking on pulling the drive train and scraping the truck.ZZ Top car:http://www.ugo.com/ugo/html/gallery/?id=7&img=31&gallery=ultimaterides_filmtvhttp://www.starpulse.com/Music/ZZ_Top/gallery/11/Just for fun:ZZ Top car at the White House scroll to bottom..http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30144

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Comment #15 posted by Toker00 on August 22, 2007 at 16:44:07 PT

Had Enough
"The inside workings of an internal combustion engine is fascinating."Isn't it? 351 Modified, Thunder-bird engine. Full overhaul. Cranked right up and hummed for a few more years. Before I took on this challenge with a cousin of mine, I had no idea how a combustion engine actually worked. Now I have no idea how a computerized engine works, outside the basic mechanics."They have this stuff called gas stabilizer. I’ve never used it but other people tell me it helps."We use it at work. It works. At least, the mechanic swears by it.Long Live Hippies. Now I see why you sent me to this thread, bro. Thanks again. Pppppfffffsssssttttt. Pass.Toke.
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Comment #14 posted by Had Enough on August 22, 2007 at 14:35:10 PT

Gas Bus
Careful museman. Use the gas motor as is. Diesel motors have different shaped piston domes and are forged as well. Connecting rods and crankshaft are forged vs. cast iron, I believe as well. Because it was made to use in a bus, those parts might be heaver duty than standard. Not an expert but have been around some of that stuff.My silver lining with having gas-propelled vehicles are if it stops running, I can usually get it going again. The older the vehicle, the better the chances. I’m not so good with diesel motors. In my youth I used to be somewhat of a gear head as well. We had a lot of fun with it, trashed a ton of machinery, blew up a few motors, tranys, blew drive shafts out of their u-joints, learned quite a bit about those things and the stuff that comes with it. The inside workings of an internal combustion engine is fascinating. Fortunately that experience has carried over and has saved my butt more than once from being stuck on the side of the road. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.That gas motor will serve you well. Just keep up the maintenance on it like oil changes, grease the zerk fittings, and keep up on the other fluids, especially the cooling system. Flush it good, mix 50/50 anti freeze. I always use distilled water. It has no minerals or calcium in it, this helps to inhibit scale.Gas: Going to get gas to get it started? 20 bucks will probably wet the bottom of the tank:) Which brings up another thing. The gas we get these days smells like it has water in it. Gas used to be good in storage for months. The gas we get now lasts about 3 weeks and starts turning to varnish. They have this stuff called gas stabilizer. I’ve never used it but other people tell me it helps. I’ve been told it will make the gas stay fresh for about 3 months or more.

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Comment #13 posted by whig on August 22, 2007 at 14:15:23 PT

Hope
On the other hand, all the goodness that comes from the mouths of those that know and speak the truth endures longer still.
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Comment #12 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 09:46:27 PT

A good case to make the point....
Anslinger.
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 09:45:19 PT

Too true...
"Yes I agree, what comes out of ones mouth defiles one more than what he puts in his mouth."Defiles the very soul and spirit. The body will turn to dust...but that other stuff lives forever.
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 09:43:10 PT

Had Enough, apparently that's true!
 "I guess we all have to do stupid stuff just to remind us of who we really are."I certainly get "reminded" often enough.
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 09:40:28 PT

Oh my!
You did it!We do like this article.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 22, 2007 at 09:39:17 PT

Had Enough 
Last night I watched the first part of Ordinary People on the Rolling Stone article and checked my usage and I had enough left to look at the second video before midnight when it turns over. I really enjoyed it too. I do have OP on a CD that someone sent me along time ago but I'm not sure which one it is on.
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Comment #7 posted by museman on August 22, 2007 at 09:37:28 PT

Had Enough
Unfortunately it is gas not diesel. However it has a GMC motor with the exact same block as a GMC diesel. All I have to do is find the top end intake, and it can be converted.I've been trying to start it now for a few months, but since my meth-using neighbors syphoned all the gas out of it, (I now have it padlocked) and the prices rose I am just now getting the gas to start it. I'm gonna try it today as a matter of fact.
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Comment #6 posted by Had Enough on August 22, 2007 at 09:36:26 PT

It’s Alive, It’s Alive
Long live this thread…and the Hippies…

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Comment #5 posted by Had Enough on August 22, 2007 at 09:29:47 PT

Rolling Stone Newsletter
Preview “Ordinary People” from Neil Young’s Upcoming “Chrome Dreams II”
 One of the tracks on Neil Young’s forthcoming Chrome Dreams II is said to be “Ordinary People,” a song that Young’s been sitting on for nearly twenty years. He played the epic track a bunch of times in 1988 with the Bluenotes. Check out this YouTube clip of him performing it at the Lakeside Ampitheater in Darien Lake, New York on September 18, 1988. The song is so long it’s divided in two halves.http://www.rollingstone.com:80/rockdaily/index.php/2007/08/21/preview-ordinary-people-from-neil-youngs-upcoming-chrome-dreams-ii/?utm_source=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=email

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Comment #4 posted by Had Enough on August 22, 2007 at 09:29:38 PT

Duck Bus again
tried this on the other thread...I knew it. It was the studio version of the ‘Duck Bus’One surprise though, its bigger than I thought it would be.Now that’s a bus. I envisioned one a little smaller than that and a different color, like the busses we see around here.I’ll bet it even has a diesel motor in it. You should start it up every once and a while and let it come up to full operating temperature. That keeps all the oil and stuff slung around the inside of the motor. And change that oil and fuel filters from time to time, it will make that motor last a long time. Over time Algae can grow in the fuel system and tank, for some reason it likes diesel fuel, I’ve seen it in backup generators after they sit for a while, the tanks end up having to be drained and the fuel injectors had to be cleaned before it would run. Diesel motors are the way to go but there is nothing deader than a dead diesel.Like I said before, I knew it was a studio version, but I just didn’t put it together before I posted that stupid ass lame post. I guess we all have to do stupid stuff just to remind us of who we really are. :) Yes I agree, what comes out of ones mouth defiles one more than what he puts in his mouth.*******The 'Duck Bus'http://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/Busfront2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside1.jpg
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Comment #3 posted by Had Enough on August 22, 2007 at 09:29:31 PT

Memory Lane
Hope, FoM: I enjoyed your waltz down the lane on the other thread.Cool.http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22941.shtmlThanks for keeping this thread available.

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Comment #2 posted by FoM on August 22, 2007 at 09:17:57 PT

museman
LONG LIVE THE HIPPIES!!!
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Comment #1 posted by museman on August 22, 2007 at 09:17:12 PT

And they're still right
Nixon, Reagan, Daley, Wallace -to name a few- are dead. LONG LIVE THE HIPPIES!!!
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