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Giuliani Blasts Medical Marijuana Supporters
Posted by CN Staff on July 10, 2007 at 11:19:40 PT
By The Associated Press
Source: Associated Press
Concord, N.H. -- Presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Tuesday that people who want to legalize marijuana for medical purposes really just want to make the drug available to all. "I believe the effort to try and make marijuana available for medical uses is really a way to legalize it. There's no reason for it," the former New York mayor said during a town hall-style meeting at New Hampshire Technical Institute.
He also said there are better alternatives."You can accomplish everything you want to accomplish with things other than marijuana, probably better. There are pain medications much superior to marijuana," he said."We'd be much better off telling people the truth. Marijuana adds nothing to the array of legal medications and prescription medications that are available for pain relief."After a speech at the first of several stops in the first-primary state, the early front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination fielded questions. None dealt with the unpopular war in Iraq.Instead, voters wanted to know about the failed immigration bill and Giuliani's views on climate change and health care.Giuliani said promises of universal health care are hollow and simply not manageable."If you try to do socialized medicine, a la Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama or Michael Moore, you're going to end up with a disaster," he said.He urged voters to press other candidates for specifics and to move beyond highfaluting language."We tried that before. We tried that with the `War on Poverty' and we tried that with welfare. Look what happened. We tried a simplistic solution and look what happened. We locked people into poverty. It was a tragedy."Source: Associated Press (Wire)Published:  July 10, 2007Copyright: 2007 Associated Press CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #42 posted by rchandar on July 14, 2007 at 08:46:12 PT:
Guliani
I think Guliani aspires to classical Republican philosophy. Meaning, he thinks that civil and human rights don't matter much--only money, because in his view money is what creates those rights. Classical Republican thinking. Nothing could have been worse for the impoverished gangsterized New York underclasses than Guliani, because NYC's renewed popularity and "cleanliness" came at their expense. Republican politicians get vexed when it comes to crime. They always insist that we're "protecting the rights of the criminal, not the law-abiding citizens." Obeying the law, MJ or not, is not a simple matter at all--there are issues of class, race, social status, philosophy. What has been good about America is that she hasn't always expected outright, devoted allegiance to written laws. That's what allows "second chances" to happen, what makes the law elastic and a good thing for all people. As a President, I doubt Guliani would honor this factor in America; his "lock crime up and throw away the key" would have devastating consequences on the American way of life.It would be good for some, and bad for others. Unfortunately, we can't endorse this because America's supposed to be good for everybody.
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on July 13, 2007 at 09:38:11 PT
Giuliani
has a Mussolini quality to him.
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Comment #40 posted by museman on July 13, 2007 at 08:45:54 PT
A very good question Wayne.
Needs to be asked again."My God, when are we gonna stop electing lawyers and CEOs in this country?! Better yet, when are people going to stop using government officials, the most corrupt people on the planet, as their moral compasses?"
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Comment #39 posted by museman on July 13, 2007 at 08:24:44 PT
#33
"They are so afraid of change that they'll burn this democracy to the ground before they ever change their misguided minds."What? There's a democracy? Where?(your description is apt though)
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Comment #38 posted by Wayne on July 12, 2007 at 16:45:12 PT
Rudy Giuliani is a BIG FAT PHONY !!
There, I just had to get that off my chest. I was going to bring up the OxyContin connection, but goblet already did. I don't really have anything new to say, other than that Rudy is a big fat PHONY!!A Democrat-turned-Independent-turned-Republican businessman-turned-lawyer-turned-prosecutor-turned-mayor who is in bed with Big Pharma. This guy can't make up his f***ing mind!!My God, when are we gonna stop electing lawyers and CEOs in this country?! Better yet, when are people going to stop using government officials, the most corrupt people on the planet, as their moral compasses?So Rudy is 'America's Mayor'. Why don't you ask a New Yorker how he got there. Why don't you ask them, OK what EXACTLY did Rudy do to clean up the city? (by being an authoritarian prick) At WHOSE expense? What EXACTLY did he do to combat terrorism between January 1, 1994 (after WTC attack round 1) and September 11, 2001? (jacks**t)It was mentioned before, but it's worth saying again. Rudy, you're not a doctor. Hell you weren't much of a mayor either. Leave the medical advice to those that are qualified, and shut your big fat phony mouth.
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Comment #37 posted by John Tyler on July 11, 2007 at 21:33:06 PT
re #27
Giuliani also had a pal who was in the NYC police commission that he was trying to get to be Homeland Security Secretary when it was found out he had some kind of NYC Mob connections. His nomination was quietly dropped. David Vittner was also involved in his campaign too. Giuliani can pick them can’t he? 
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Comment #36 posted by John Tyler on July 11, 2007 at 21:25:55 PT
in New Orleans
It seems the good, Senator David Vitter, was also remembered by a New Orleans madam where it seems he did quite a bit of sinning there also. 
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Comment #35 posted by mayan on July 11, 2007 at 18:19:45 PT
Toast
Firefighters Burn Down Giuliani's Presidential Bid:
http://911blogger.com/node/9917
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on July 11, 2007 at 15:18:12 PT
The disaster that Guiliani
is afraid of is that he would find himself, his family, his friends, and cohorts on a equal footing with the poor to get medical help. That would be a disaster to him.He's not poor and uninsured...so he, apparently, wonders what all the fuss and concern is about. 
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Comment #33 posted by user123 on July 11, 2007 at 15:00:38 PT:
Fake-a** Hero
"If you try to do socialized medicine, a la Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama or Michael Moore, you're going to end up with a disaster," he said. So...it would be a worse disaster than what we already have? They are so afraid of change that they'll burn this democracy to the ground before they ever change their misguided minds. 
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Comment #32 posted by afterburner on July 11, 2007 at 14:24:32 PT
Ghouliani, that's a good one!
"people who want to legalize marijuana for medical purposes really just want to make the drug available to all."Everybody gets sick once in a while. Aspirin is available to all. Why not cannabis?
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Comment #31 posted by ekim on July 11, 2007 at 11:49:29 PT
Ron Paul on Tucker today
i think its on at 4pm on cnbc 356 dir tv
http://leap.cc/events
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on July 11, 2007 at 10:17:44 PT
Yoo Hoo Mayan
Fahrenheit 9/11˝ coming in 2008! I thought you might like to know this.In the wake of the 2004 United States Presidential election, Michael Moore continues to examine what happened to the United States after September 11, and how the Bush Administration allegedly used the tragic event to push forward its agenda for unjust wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.Fahrenheit 9/11˝ (2008)http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433561/
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Comment #29 posted by Sam Adams on July 11, 2007 at 09:10:14 PT
excerpts
WASHINGTON-- Senator David Vitter of Louisiana said he had sinned and was sorry, hours after Hustler magazine told him his phone number was among those disclosed by the "D.C. Madam.""This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling."He recently played a prominent role in derailing an immigration bill backed by President Bush. He also is a key supporter of former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani's presidential bid, serving as regional campaign chairman for the South.Vitter's statement said his number was on phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates before he ran for the Senate in 2004. Federal prosecutors have accused Deborah Jeane Palfrey of racketeering by running a prostitution ring that netted more than $2 million over 13 years, beginning in 1993. She contends that her escort service was a legitimate business offering sexual fantasies. Palfrey's lawyer, Montgomery Blair Sibley, said in an interview that the call from Vitter's number to the escort service was made Feb. 27, 2001.
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Comment #28 posted by sam adams on July 11, 2007 at 09:07:48 PT
link to story
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/11/senator_apologizes_for_serious_sin_after_link_to_dc_madam/
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Comment #27 posted by Sam Adams on July 11, 2007 at 09:06:37 PT
Guluiani
Just saw in today's paper that his Lousiana campaign president has been named by a big prostitution ring on NYC as a regular client. So his best friend Congressman in SC was a cocaine dealer, and his best friend COngressman in LA had a steady hooker habit despite a wife and four kids.So you tell me who's window is broken, Rudy. You're a scum bag.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on July 11, 2007 at 08:18:50 PT
Off Topic
Why Hillary Clinton Has Always Been a Republican***In the first of a series of profiles, Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair chart the formative years of Hillary Clinton. Watch her as she zigzags from Nixon campaigner and vote-fraud investigator in 1960 to Goldwater Girl and President of Young Republicans at Wellesley to her internship for Gerald Ford and campaigner for Nelson Rockefeller. Witness her reaction to the student protests at Yale and the demonstrations at Grant Park during the Democratic Convention in 1968. Learn how she and Bill vowed to "remake" the Democratic Party--using the Nixon model HRC learned about as a member of the House impeachment staff. And much more! Plus: David Price on anthropologist Andre Gunder Frank, the FBI and the Bureaucratic Exile of a Critical Mind.Get your copy today by subscribing online or calling 1-800-840-3683 Remember contributions to CounterPunch are tax-deductible. URL: http://www.counterpunch.org/mcenteer07112007.html
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on July 11, 2007 at 07:45:00 PT
Just a Thought About Health Care
I am very concerned about health care for all of us. We can go to a foreign country and pay for care using a credit card because it is so much cheaper. Why don't we allow them to develop a system like their system here somewhere in the USA for people who can't get insurance? Then people with insurance can use whatever hospital they want but it would allow some basic care for those who don't have insurance and if they need an expensive procedure it won't bankrupt them. Just an idea.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on July 11, 2007 at 07:03:30 PT
Comment 22
About Willie Nelson. I agree.Guiliani. Don't have time to express my disgust with him. I don't like him.
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Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on July 11, 2007 at 05:31:24 PT:
Rudy's scared of 'broken windows',
Namely, the possibility that someone will apply what he did to New Yorkers, particularly cannabists, to him. Google search string: "Rudy Giuliani broken windows marijuana" :http://tinyurl.com/3aa94mOl' Rudy knows that he's ticked off scores of thousands of people who can now stick it to him with their stories of having their lives ruined by his slavish devotion to a right-wing social engineering policy, so he's trying for a pre-emptive strike. But there are too many people out there with chips on their shoulders - placed there by him - to let this go. 
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Comment #22 posted by RevRayGreen on July 10, 2007 at 22:01:08 PT
I really hope
that Willie Nelson will stongly promote the plight of medical marijuana patients, decriminalization and hemp farming when Farm Aid plays NYC later this summer.and not just sharing pot jokes with Mayor Bloomberg and John Cougar.
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Comment #21 posted by Sam Adams on July 10, 2007 at 20:02:13 PT
He reveals himself!
I've ranted on here before about how evil this guy is - the worst! 
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Comment #20 posted by mayan on July 10, 2007 at 18:08:44 PT
dongenero
You said..."He should stick to the 9/11 speaking circuit. The towers are the one thing that he handled well. Don't assume he's suitable for setting any kind of policy." If you mean he handled his COMPLICITY in that inside job "well" (from a criminal's point of view) then I agree. How did he know those buildings were going to collapse? He has admitted to knowing they were going to fall and has since flip-flopped several times. Here is Mr. 9/11's downfall...Giuliani Caught In Bizarre Building 7 Lie:
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/250407_giuliani_bizarre_wtc7.htmlGiuliani Heckled, Booed By 9/11 Family Members: 
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/guiliani_heckled_by_911_family_members.htmBy ripping medical cannabis he just insulted 80% of Americans. Maybe he's trying to lose support so he can drop out and back Fred Thompson? Rudy is toast and can no longer run on 9/11! McCain is pro-war (toast). Romney's cruel to animals and Ron Paul is honest. Thompson is the only one who the elites will back on the repugnican side. 
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 17:10:25 PT
DjLoTi
That's good that you are trying to help the person that you like. I still like Obama. He isn't perfect but he still is who I like. He has such a big youth following and just the fact that they are caring makes me happy. 
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Comment #18 posted by DjLoTi on July 10, 2007 at 16:55:25 PT
I wouldn't worry about Giuliani winning the nomina
http://digg.com/politics/Real_9_11_Heroes_Expose_How_Giuliani_Short_Changed_and_Endangered_the_CityNYC firefighters actively campaigning against Rudy GiulianiMeanwhile, Ron Paul has more money then McCain, and his support does not stop growing. Seems like every day it's getting bigger. We just raised almost $1,000 for fun for RP. I read here earlier that someone was impressed with the younger generation getting involved with Obama's campaign. I can guarantee you, the support for RP is .. maybe right now... almost about equal. lolHere's where we raised a G: 
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=6383
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 16:49:15 PT
Dankhank
Larry King should be very good tonight. We really need to do something about our health care system. I can't get insurance even if I could afford it because of having Hepatitis B years ago. So many people have an illness that makes it impossible to get coverage.
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Comment #16 posted by Dankhank on July 10, 2007 at 16:43:19 PT
LK live ...
got a record icon on that one, next show in an hour of so here ...
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 16:10:08 PT
Dankhank 
Thanks! I'm glued to CNN right now. Did you see who is going to be on Larry King Live?Tuesday's show Controversial filmmaker Michael Moore and CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta on America's health care system and Moore's new movie, 'Sicko.'•Email your questions http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
 
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Comment #14 posted by Dankhank on July 10, 2007 at 15:51:17 PT
update Sicko vs CNN
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/56459/get em, Michael ...
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Comment #13 posted by whig on July 10, 2007 at 15:33:42 PT
Ron Paul
I don't support Ron Paul for president as I've said before, but I hope he wins the Republican nomination.
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Comment #12 posted by whig on July 10, 2007 at 15:32:54 PT
LaGuardia #11
I agree.
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Comment #11 posted by LaGuardia on July 10, 2007 at 15:20:39 PT
No More Republicans
So Giuliani is officially the "Pro-Suffering" candidate . . .He is corrupt to the core, even betraying his own faction's ideals when you consider that he and his firm took money from Hugo Chavez, who is the Neo-Cons' new Latin American enemy #1.Giuliani is an opportunistic hypocrite with "ambition" in the negative, Shakespearian sense of the word. He has a lot of other skeletons in his closet (his security firm's alleged sketchy dealings, alleged mafia ties, etc.); I hope that the media brings all of his bad acts to light, and soon.Plus, if he or any other Republican wins the election, the Supreme Court will be stacked conservatives for decades, and we can all kiss our civil liberties goodbye. I pray regularly for Justice Stevens (who is 87) and the other, older justices (even Scalia; he needs to live until a Democrat takes office) in the hope that they will all outlive Bush's presidency so that Bush cannot continue to stack the Court with jurists who want to turn back the clock to the 1930's. Hopefully they all will live for 2 years, but 6 years is unlikely.  No wonder that Sandra Day O'Connor wishes that she had not resigned.
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Comment #10 posted by goblet on July 10, 2007 at 14:53:38 PT:
Rudy Giuliani Hates Medical Marijuana, But He Love
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2007/jul/10/rudy_giuliani_hates_medical_mariRudy Giuliani has again lashed out at medical marijuana on the campaign trail:"I believe the effort to try and make marijuana available for medical uses is really a way to legalize it. There's no reason for it," the former New York mayor said during a town hall-style meeting at New Hampshire Technical Institute.
He also said there are better alternatives."You can accomplish everything you want to accomplish with things other than marijuana, probably better. There are pain medications much superior to marijuana," he said. [AP]I've already written about the potent irony of Giuliani's opposition to medical marijuana, but if he won’t shut up about this, neither will I. If Rudy Giuliani won't stop talking trash about medical marijuana, and endorsing pharmaceutical alternatives, I won’t stop bringing up the fact that he worked as a hired consultant for OxyContin manufacturer Perdue Pharma.Giuliani has less than no credibility on this issue because he worked for a company that is in direct competition with medical marijuana. It's really that simple. His claims that medical marijuana is part of a broader legalization conspiracy are also ironic considering that Giuliani played a key role in keeping OxyContin legal after it was linked with widespread abuse. Giuliani personally met with former DEA administrator Asa Hutchinson and persuaded him to leave Perdue alone. Meanwhile, abuse of pharmaceutical drugs, particularly OxyContin, has become the fastest growing drug problem among America's youth.To be clear, I don't believe OxyContin should be illegal. Patients must be allowed to choose medicines based on what works for them, whether it be OxyContin, medical marijuana, or tree bark. But the transparent hypocrisy of Giuliani's behavior is so over-the-top that it is just impossible to ignore.
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Comment #9 posted by whig on July 10, 2007 at 14:32:50 PT
Max Flowers
You interested in trying a good Indian restaurant sometime? Just wondering, in case you have a reason to be in the area.
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Comment #8 posted by jmoran on July 10, 2007 at 13:38:24 PT
New World Order
Ghouliani is part of the New World Order so it will be the same as having Bush for 4 more years if he is elected. Check this link out and watch all 15 parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw
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Comment #7 posted by museman on July 10, 2007 at 13:32:27 PT
the idiot formerly known as 'the mayor'
"Blah. Blah-blah. Blaaaah! Bllllah. Blah-uh. Dubya... and don't forget to vote republican!"
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Comment #6 posted by HempWorld on July 10, 2007 at 13:10:29 PT
Giuliani Blasts Medical Marijuana Facts
That is what the real title to this article should have been. But you can count on the prohibitionist Associated Press or Reuters to give it a little extra spin! Good work guys! How compassionate of you! Every time I see this, I hope each and every one of you will come to depend on marijuana's true medical properties sometime soon and for a very long time. Bless you!
Nobody can stop this!
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Comment #5 posted by dongenero on July 10, 2007 at 13:08:23 PT
Hmmmm.....
"We tried that before. We tried that with the `War on Poverty' and we tried that with welfare. Look what happened. We tried a simplistic solution and look what happened. We locked people into poverty. It was a tragedy."So, what about the "War On Drugs"???? Oooopps, gotcha! And regarding medical marijuana...Thanks for your enlightened opinions.....Ummm Dr. Giuliani.He should stick to the 9/11 speaking circuit. The towers are the one thing that he handled well. Don't assume he's suitable for setting any kind of policy.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 12:24:33 PT
Hi Marc
It's hard to believe that he is leading in the polls as a Republican for the Presidency. Is there an island where we all can live and thumb our noses at these off the wall politicians? I'm only kidding about the island but maybe I will give up my tv, computer and forget about the world if a Republican gets elected again.PS: Thank you for the nice compliment in the CCC group. I don't talk but I enjoy reading the input. You handle Canadian news very well and thank you.
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Comment #3 posted by Marc Paquette on July 10, 2007 at 12:12:51 PT:
What an ignorant man!
[quote]"You can accomplish everything you want to accomplish with things other than marijuana, probably better. There are pain medications much superior to marijuana," he said.[/quote]Which one that is better than medical marijuana Mr. Rudy Giuliani - I tried them ALL, had nasty side-effects and much less pain relief!Does Mr. Rudy Giuliani knows that marijuana is non-toxic? Does Mr. Rudy Giuliani also knows that it's not everyone who can still tolerate or get benefits from pharmaceutical medications?What an ill-informed man - how sad! :( Marc
http://medpot.net/forums
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Comment #2 posted by Max Flowers on July 10, 2007 at 11:42:23 PT
More words of ignorance from Ghouliani
Why anyone would listen to a man who facilitated the destruction of evidence in the largest crime scene in history---9/11---and as part of that, had debris containing human remains hauled away and thrown in a trash dump, is a mystery to me. Just as mysterious to me is why a LOT more people aren't talking about these crimes of his, crimes in fact as well as obvious moral crimes. You just don't do that kind of stuff when in charge, yet Ghouliani did that and more. In my opinion he is up to his neck in 9/11 culpability and that had better start coming out so as to ruin his campaign before it gets too much further.I can't believe how blind most of the people in this country are to blatant evil when it is staring them in the face. He had critical evidence hauled away in trucks at the behest of the Bush adminstration! What more do you need? That's destruction of evidence in the crime of the millenium. He's a criminal, and if he gets to be president, the nightmare that we are living in under Bush will continue and as far as I'm concerned, will be just as bad.And as far as his comments on medical cannabis, well he can eat sh*t, because the people of New York know what they want and aren't afraid to speak out.
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 11:22:43 PT
A Question
Excerpt: "We tried that before. We tried that with the `War on Poverty' and we tried that with welfare. Look what happened. We tried a simplistic solution and look what happened. We locked people into poverty. It was a tragedy."I want to know what is the alternative instead of just saying it's a tragedy? Do we let people starve and die?
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