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Posted by CN Staff on May 18, 2007 at 21:00:26 PT
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Colorado -- Denver police would have to make possession of small amounts of marijuana by adults their lowest law enforcement priority under a proposal a pro-pot group is pushing. "We're doing this because the city has been unwilling to recognize the fact that people in Denver do not think adults should be punished for using marijuana, a less harmful drug than alcohol," Mason Tvert, executive director of Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation, said Thursday.
In 2005, voters approved Initiative 100, which legalized, under city ordinances, possession and private use of an ounce or less of marijuana by adults. Since then, arrests in the city for misdemeanor possession under state law actually have gone up. "The people of the city have no other option but to move forward with a measure to tell the city how they want it run," Tvert said. Tvert is meeting with city officials at 2 p.m. Monday for a hearing on the proposed ordinance. Tvert said he will then begin a signature-gathering drive to put an initiative on the November ballot. David Broadwell, an assistant city attorney, said there is still a question whether a policy through an initiated ordinance can be enforced in the city. "I don't think we've ever had an initiative quite like this one," he said, referring to its directive regarding the administrative behavior of the executive branch.Source: Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)Author:   Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News Published: May 18, 2007Copyright: 2007 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml

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Comment #51 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 13:16:17 PT
Hope
If anyone had teachers that they remembered in a good light that's great. The impact for me was not to ever put the government before your personal convictions. I think that is why so many people who went to catholic school around the time I did came out and did really out there things like George Carlin and Susan Sarandon.
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Comment #50 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 13:10:51 PT
Blue Nun
is a brand of cheap wine.
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Comment #49 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 13:10:17 PT
I had some really cool teachers
over the years, too. I thank God for them.Starting with Ms. Baker. Ms. Ellen. Mr. Depagter. Ms. Raspberry. Ms. Corbet. Amazing and wonderful, Dell. Many more. Some were marvelous. Some had huge effects on my life. Many did.I loved some of them dearly. Love them dearly or not...I often think of my old teachers. They meant a lot to me.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 13:07:20 PT
Hope
What's Blue Nun?
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Comment #47 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 13:06:20 PT
Uh oh
Don't get me started on that "Nun" business.Pass me that bottle of Blue Nun and we'll get past this.:0)
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 13:05:39 PT
Hope
That's what I call wanting to walk in the Spirit.
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 13:03:36 PT
Hope
Most Nuns were really cool back when I was in school. I guess I was lucky.
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 13:03:06 PT
Faithful...
as in monogamous and not being a constant liar and full of betrayals.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 13:01:44 PT
Had something to do with 
my desire to have a faithful, honest relationship with him.Aaargh.
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 12:57:51 PT
A Nun.
My first husband said I should have been one. :0)
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 11:31:57 PT
Walk softly, and carry a very big stick
That's what the Nuns did! LOL!PS: Actually it wasn't a stick but a ruler!
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Comment #40 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 11:29:35 PT
Hope
I've noticed that too. I have been looking for comments on Michael Moore's new movie and I have seen horrible comments full of hate. Michael Moore is showing how bad our health care system is and people should be happy not angry and hateful. I don't understand that reaction to something that is really important for people in the USA.
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 11:27:18 PT
"Love one another,
as I have loved you."
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 11:26:37 PT
"It's better to live in the corner of a rooftop,
than in the house with a quarrelling woman" (or man)."To understand is to forgive. To forgive is to
understand.""Forgive, as you would be forgiven."
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 11:20:16 PT
"Walk softly, and carry a very big stick."
"Be cunning as a serpent and gentle as a dove.""Keep an eye on the horizon.""Hold your toungue." "No man can tame the toungue. It's like a little flame that starts a huge forest fire." "The tongue is like a small rudder...it guides the ship wherever it goes."Hmmm. I'll think of some of some more.Oh, my favorite. From an aritcle about an ancient couple that had been married like seventy five years or so. Asked about the success of their long, long relationship, the wife said, "I ignore every thing he says."
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 11:10:25 PT
Some people,
I've noticed, can despise others so easily.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 11:08:28 PT
Loving and living with a Republican
is like trying to "hold your ground" without "rocking the boat" into a capsize.:0)Rough ride.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 09:05:48 PT
Hope
Thank you. I find it harder and harder to be tolerant of the RP. It is so opposite of my values. One thing I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that we must be true to our own convictions.
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Comment #33 posted by Hope on May 20, 2007 at 08:29:24 PT
Comment 10 DankHank
That's for sure!
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on May 20, 2007 at 08:27:20 PT
Health Care
I can confirm that paying high premiums and being self insured and self employed is very hard. I got very sick and was hospitalized. I had to go to a bigger hospital for a sophiscated test. I was told I could go by ambulance or sign out and let my husband take me and return me after the test to my local hospital. We figured we'd save the insurance company some money and my husband drove. To make a long story short they didn't pay for the procedure because I didn't go by ambulance. We were paying over $350 a month back in the 80s and that's one of the things that made us give up on paying insurance. We couldn't afford it.
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Comment #31 posted by John Tyler on May 20, 2007 at 08:14:24 PT
a couple of things
I have a couple of things to add. The fundamentalist Christians I have known have been deeply conflicted and unhappy people who have not been able to understand or deal with their own desires. They join an organization thinking it will give them something they are missing only to be manipulated by an equally troubled minister. 
With regard to heath coverageÖ I think that if American industry/ business is going to be able to compete worldwide now and in the years to come the overhead cost of health care premiums will have to be removed from them and placed somewhere else. It is a cost that is factored into the price of a product or service. Put that cost somewhere else and the cost of the product or service can be reduced to make it more competitive. Smaller businesses have had to cut out health care cost years ago. Now the same thing is spreading to the larger businesses and industries. American health care is too expensive for the bottom and lower middle class to afford. Even with health insurance you can get socked with huge bills. Last summer a neighbor of mine broke a bone in his hand. He had good insurance, but it still cost him $3,000 in co-payments.  Somebodyís got to figure it out. You watch, when the folk that control the levers of power decide itís time, (by that I mean when it affects their bottom line) things will get done.
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Comment #30 posted by dongenero on May 20, 2007 at 06:58:13 PT
BPG/Montano Velo jerseys - post #1
Thanks for that GCW!
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 19:50:04 PT
Dankhank
I really never was concerned about business. We had a good business but businesses come and go. They serve their purpose but they aren't important like people.
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Comment #28 posted by Dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 19:39:58 PT
same old arguments
they parrot the same, lame points.bad for business ...bad for the recipients?a new one ...I hit my limit on that one that day ...
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 16:52:01 PT
dankhank
Your comment was really powerful on that thread. I didn't understand what people were saying though. When I read some comments I visualize a puffed up person almost levitating and grumbling down at what they see as riff raff. Like how it was in Animal Farm. 
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Comment #26 posted by dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 16:39:43 PT
RP .....
Ron Paul is a Libertarian in the Repug partay.He has broken through to the sensible position that should have cut through ALL pols ... that of ending the drug war.When considering the other points of the Repugs and the Libertians there are few ideas they have that are noteworthy.Libs want to end the minimum wage: a stupid, evil idea they push. While it may be laudatory of them to oppose federal intrusion into "states' business," it rapidly becomes evident that states can't be trusted to act in the interests of their downtrodden, so Federal intrusion is warranted.to see what I think about that topic see the following. I carefully crafted my comment and shut that thread down ... I'd like to send it to every "Christian" that opposes raising the pay of the poor.http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/47536/?comments=view&cID=507224&pID=507214#c507224only seven or so comments, short scroll ...Federal policy toward the unfortunate in our country isn't much better, but we can keep 'em honest if we choose.The intractable nature of the "slavers," required Federal Intervention to "free human beings held in slavery by Americans ... damn it hurts to say that ... WTF were we all thinking back then? Gimme a time machine and I'll go ask THEM. The rest of the Repugs platforms are all about "Exclusion" from our society for 'terrible' moral choices, Homosexuality, Abortion, Drug Use, Anti-war, anti-rich, anti-mindless patriotism, the list can go on I suspect, but these I can recall.A common Repug charge these days is Democrats aren't FOR anything, they're only Against things ... DUH ...The Repugs have plenty that it is honorable to be against.Libertarians want minimal Federal Intervention at the state level, something that sounds good initially, but sours upon reflection when considering how unfettered capitalism and no wage control would truly marginalize those who are somewhat on edge already.Nuff said .......Peace to all who truly care ...
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 15:41:19 PT
More on Sicko
This might become bigger then I thought it would. Sicko is Socko: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1623337,00.html
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 13:44:55 PT

potpal
I wonder about Al Gore too. We'll see in time.mayan, I have never been for the RP. The issues that are very important to me aren't important to the RP. 
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Comment #23 posted by potpal on May 19, 2007 at 13:31:54 PT

dis and dat
Sicko is out of the Cannes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6672515.stm I'll bet Al Gore enters the race once the front runners hit some turbulance and goes on to win the whole enchillada. Coming out so early give the rest of them a lotta rope to hang themselves. Al's surely has the resume and he won it once before... http://draftgore.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
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Comment #22 posted by Sam Adams on May 19, 2007 at 13:31:43 PT

Moore
Wow, thanks for the link re: Michael Moore's new movie!  It will fun to watch the "conservatives" get all riled up over him going to Cuba.It's so funny how they pretend to hate Cuba. I think at last count Cuba had something like a few dozen dissidents in jail? Meanwhile Communist China runs over college kids with tanks and commits genocide on a totally peaceful nation (Tibet) and we LOVE them! The difference is that Castro took a lot of wealth and land holdings from some very powerful US families when he nationalized everything in Cuba (including the Bushes, btw).  Conversely, China's government perpetuates a system of near slave labor for those same families and their corporations and has given them the feudal system they always wanted. See the middle class vanish! Goodbye, it was nice knowing you for 200 years....Don't forget, if the Mexican government hadn't nationalized Hearst's timber holdings and mines in Mexico, it's quite likely that cannabis would never have been banned.
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Comment #21 posted by mayan on May 19, 2007 at 13:01:16 PT

Another "Last" Word
FoM, being that Ron Paul is for bringing an end to the drug war I would think you would support him, but to each, their own. I know you are concerned about other issues but this is a critical juncture in time. The fact that the entire republican establishment is against him makes him an ally, imho. If you want the republican party to survive then go ahead and censor any news about Ron Paul. I just don't understand. 
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Comment #20 posted by mayan on May 19, 2007 at 12:56:55 PT

One Last Word
It's a sad day when folks vote for or against any given party instead of the individual.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 11:41:25 PT

Thanks Dankhank
Quote from CNN Article: "The bigger issue in the film is, who are we as a people?" Moore said."Why would we allow nearly 50 million Americans to go without any kind of health coverage ... That's not America. That's not the America I want to see exist."

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Comment #18 posted by Dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 11:27:11 PT

repug love ... re dux ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/19/film.michaelmoore.ap/index.html
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Comment #17 posted by Dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 11:25:34 PT

Render ...
A Nun came through here a couple of years ago and spoke one day at the masses, church services, to the masses, Catholics, about stuff and included this gem:there is NO render up to Caesar ... I found that interesting.I agreed, since I had had an interesting talk with a deacon who was also a cop in a nearby community.He told me "render up to Caesar" when I asked why the Catholic Church was OK with caging humans for using a plant.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 11:19:13 PT

Sam
I didn't vote for Clinton. I felt that the both of them were want to be Republicans and that didn't interest me. I only voted for two Presidents and Reagan was one because I thought he wanted to stay out of families lives. That didn't work. When the drug industry is taken on it will be a battle that won't be pretty. Other countries have health care. I am in a private Canadian e-mail group. I don't post in it but I have been reading it for years. I have never heard anyone complain about their health care ever. It can work even if it isn't the way everyone wants.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 10:58:06 PT

Dankhank
When I was going to Church regularly and I saw that Falwell and Robertson were getting into politics (RP) I started to back away from going to Church. I believe in Render to Caesar etc. and that would not be separating God from Politics like it said we should. I feel sorry for people who get hung up on everyone elses life and choices. The world is complex and it will never be like they want it to be. Republicans want us to be a certain way and that is just impossible. The Republican Party is the ultimate control party in my opinion.
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Comment #14 posted by Sam Adams on May 19, 2007 at 10:47:29 PT

health care
FOM that's a good point, I have no idea what Ron Paul thinks about health care.I had high hopes when Clinton came in that he & Hilary would do something, since that was probably their Number One campaign issue. They were talking about socialized medicine. But they ended up doing nothing and costs have exploded since then. I kind of assumed that they didn't actually do anything because the insurance industry was their #1 campaign contributor. Single-Payer health care (which I favor and the entire rest of the Western world has it) would shut down huge swaths of the insurance industry.92 was right around the time I decided I'd vote only Libertarian or Green. I felt really let down by Clinton's action on the environment also. He ran very green, but one of the first things he did when came in was to go out to the Northwest and make a deal with the timber companies to continue logging old-growth forest. He also refused to even propose signing the Kyoto treaty for 8 years.So I am definitely with you in wishing the Republican Party would go extinct or something! I guess I just feel let down by the Democrats.  Just trying to explain why I love Ron Paul even though he is under the Repug banner. He would probably be against socialized medicine, but he is VERY anti-war.All that aside, I think Barack O is the most encouraging mainstream candidate I've seen since becoming an adult. I'm glad he recently received Secret Service protection, I would seriously be afraid of running if I was him. Colin Powell said that the biggest reason he decided not to run was fear for his own safety.
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Comment #13 posted by Dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 10:42:49 PT

love ...
here's an example of Repug/Conservative "Love."http://alternet.org/rights/51674/
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 09:46:35 PT

Dankhank 
I think I Love You! Thanks I needed that!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 09:45:40 PT

Sam
What surprises you? Ron Paul is a nice person. I never followed politics to even know anything about him. I think many of us have different views about people in politics so it's best to keep our views to ourselves because that only causes anger and division. I don't mind quotes from different people because that is policy. I am following the top Democrats because of my worry about Health Care. I don't think the Republicans even care for people who don't have insurance because they can't afford it.
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Comment #10 posted by Dankhank on May 19, 2007 at 09:45:23 PT

repug site?
FoManyone who thinks this is a Repug site is a stupid Repug.never fear, there is too much love in here to ever be mistaken for a repug site.Love ya all ...Peace .....
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Comment #9 posted by Sam Adams on May 19, 2007 at 09:14:32 PT

Wow, I'm surprised
I have great admiration for Ron Paul, he and Barney Frank are the only US Congressmen calling for an end war on drugs out of what, 600 of them? 
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 08:52:41 PT

Excerpt from Article: Mike Gravel
May 14, 2007Iowa Independent: The Progressive magazine reports that you think marijuana should be legal and available next to beer in liquor stores. Is that true? What about cocaine and methamphetamine?Sen. Gravel: It sure is true. When are we are going to learn. We went through the Depression and we realized how we created all the gangsters and the violence. When FDR came in he wiped out Prohibition. We need to wipe out this whole war on drugs. We spend $50 billion to $70 billion a year. We create criminals that arenít criminals. We destabilize foreign countries. With respect, to marijuana, Doug, Iíll tell you what: Go get yourself a fifth of scotch or a fifth of gin and chug-a-lug it down and youíll find you lose your senses a lot faster than you would smoking some marijuana.Independent Iowa: Yeah, Iím 37, I think most people in my generation agree with that point on marijuana. What about cocaine and meth?Sen. Gravel: We need to legalize the regulation of drugs. The drug problem is a public health problem. Itís not a criminal problem. We make it a criminal problem because we treat people like criminals. You take a drug addict, you throw him in jail, you leave him there, and he learns the criminal trade so that when he gets out you have recidivism.http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=131
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 06:57:39 PT

potpal
Thank you for the link. You ask an interesting question.
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Comment #6 posted by potpal on May 19, 2007 at 06:27:45 PT

pot pal (ot)
Will they let him into the US to tour?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6671035.stm
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 06:15:12 PT

The GCW
I don't have any trouble finding news articles about Ron Paul on Google if I want to find something. Even though I have a TV they don't talk about anything important but Google catches about everything needed. I don't want anyone to think this is a Republican web site since it does make me physically sick. 
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Comment #4 posted by The GCW on May 19, 2007 at 06:03:02 PT

FoM,
I understand how You want to not be reminded of the Republicans (You may be reading while You'r trying to eat, or something- with out puking...) but...I appreciated getting that info about Ron Paul from mayan.I don't care for the Republicans but I welcome interesting news from any party and since I don't have TV, this is often My primary source for a heads-up...Cannabis prohibition is politics. It involves politics and it would be difficult to confront cannabis prohibition with out confronting politics.That link about how the main stream Repubs are trying to screw Ron Paul is important to help stop the screwy ones.
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Comment #3 posted by FoM on May 19, 2007 at 05:54:24 PT

mayan
Please remember Republicans aren't for everyone. Lets try to leave politics off CNews so people including me who will not vote for any Republican can have a little peace. I hope you understand. 
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Comment #2 posted by mayan on May 19, 2007 at 04:24:22 PT

The War On Ron Paul
We have finally found the achilles heel of the fascists. It's Ron Paul! Who would've thunk it? I urge everyone to spread the word regarding the "War on Ron Paul" to everyone they know. We can expose the whole damned fascist apparatus by simply supporting this gentle giant! This is the chance of a lifetime!!!All Out War On Ron Paul - World Affairs Brief:
http://rense.com/general76/hdun.htmWe're on to them...Sean Hannity Radio Show Phone Jam: 
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg240#msg240
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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on May 18, 2007 at 21:44:43 PT

dongenero, 
I just saw on the Berkeley Patients Group Montano-Velo race team's website that they are going to be having race jerseys and caps available soon. Maybe more...http://www.rhvilla.com/montanovelo/index.htm"If your are interested in purchasing BPG/Montano Velo apparel please email bpg.montanovelo gmail.com. We will contact you when the clothing becomes available." 
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