cannabisnews.com: The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That
The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew That
Posted by CN Staff on May 02, 2007 at 12:16:13 PT
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Source: SF Gate
USA -- Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening in the newly "greening" of America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored optimism. OK? I'm talking about, say, energy-efficient lightbulbs. I'm looking at organic foods going mainstream. I mean chemical-free cleaning products widely available at Target and I'm talking saving the whales and protecting the dolphins.
I mean yoga studios flourishing in every small town, giant boxes of organic cereal at Costco and the Toyota Prius becoming the nation's oddest status symbol. You know, good things. Look around: We have entire industries devoted to recycled paper, a new generation of cheap solar-power technology and an Oscar for "An Inconvenient Truth." Even the soulless corporate monsters over at famously heartless joints like Wal-Mart are now claiming that they really, really care about saving the environment because, well, "it's the right thing to do" (read: "It's purely economic and all about their bottom line"). There is but one conclusion you can draw from the astonishing pro-environment sea change happening in the culture and (reluctantly, nervously) in the halls of power in D.C., one thing we must all acknowledge in our wary, jaded, globally warmed universe: The hippies had it right all along. All this hot enthusiasm for healing the planet and eating whole foods and avoiding chemicals and working with nature and developing the self? Came from the hippies. Alternative health? Hippies. Green cotton? Hippies. Reclaimed wood? Recycling? Humane treatment of animals? Medical pot? Alternative energy? Natural childbirth? Non-GMA seeds? It came from the granola types (who, of course, absorbed much of it from ancient cultures), from the alternative worldviews, from the underground and the sidelines and from far off the grid and it's about time the media, the politicians, the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology. Here's a suggestion, from one of my more astute ex-hippie readers: Instead of issuing carbon credits so industrial polluters can clear their collective corporate conscience, maybe, to help offset all the damage they've done to the soul of the planet all these years, these commercial cretins should instead buy some karma credits from the former hippies themselves. You know, from those who've been working for the health of the planet, quite thanklessly, for 50 years and who have, as a result, built up quite a storehouse of good karma. You think? Of course, you can easily argue that much of the "authentic" hippie ethos -- the anti-corporate ideology, the sexual liberation, the anarchy, the push for civil rights, the experimentation -- has been totally leached out of all these new movements, that corporations have forcibly co-opted and diluted every single technology and humble pro-environment idea and Ben & Jerry's ice cream cone and Odwalla smoothie to make them both palatable and profitable. But does this somehow make the organic oils in that body lotion any more harmful? Verily, it does not. You might also just as easily claim that much of the nation's reluctant turn toward environmental health has little to do with the hippies per se, that it's taking the threat of global meltdown combined with the notion of really, really expensive ski tickets to slap the nation's incredibly obese butt into gear and force consumers to wake up to the gluttony and wastefulness of American culture as everyone starts wondering, "Oh my God, what's going to happen to swimming pools and NASCAR and free shipping from Amazon?" Of course, without the '60s groundwork, without all the radical ideas and seeds of change planted nearly five decades ago, what we'd be turning to in our time of need would be a great deal more hopeless indeed. But if you're really bitter and shortsighted, you could say the entire hippie movement overall was just incredibly overrated, gets far too much cultural credit for far too little actual impact, was pretty much a giant excuse to slack off and enjoy dirty, lazy, responsibility-free sex romps and do a ton of drugs and avoid Vietnam and not bathe for a month and name your child Sunflower or Shiva Moon or Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. This is what's called the reactionary simpleton's view. It blithely ignores history, perspective, the evolution of culture as a whole. You know, just like America. But, you know, whatever. The proof is easy enough to trace. The core values and environmental groundwork laid by the '60s counterculture are still so intact and potent that even the stiffest neocon Republican has to acknowledge their extant power. It's all right there: Treehugger.com is the new '60s underground hippie zine. Ecstasy is the new LSD. Visible tattoos are the new longhairs. And bands as diverse as Pearl Jam, Bright Eyes, NIN and the Dixie Chicks are writing anti-Bush, anti-war songs for a new, ultra-jaded generation. And, oh yes, speaking of good ol' MDMA (Ecstasy), even drug culture is getting some new respect. Staid old Time mag just ran a rather snide little story about the new studies being conducted by Harvard and the National Institute of Mental Health into the astonishing psycho-spiritual benefits of goodly entheogens such as LSD, psilocybin and MDMA. Unfortunately, the piece basically backhands Timothy Leary and the entire "excessive," "naive" drug culture of yore in favor of much more "sane" and "careful" scientific analysis happening now, as if the only valid methods for attaining knowledge and an understanding of spirit were through control groups and clinical, mysticism-free examination. Please. Still, the fact that serious scientific research into entheogens is being conducted even in the face of the most anti-science, pro-pharmaceutical, ultraconservative presidential regime in recent history is proof enough that all the hoary hippie mantras about expanding the mind and touching God through drugs were onto something after all (yes, duh). Tim Leary is probably smiling wildly right now -- though that might be because of all the mushrooms he's been sharing with Kerouac and Einstein and Mary Magdalene. Mmm, heaven. Of course, true hippie values mean you're not really supposed to care about or attach to any of this, you don't give a damn for the hollow ego stroke of being right all along, for slapping the culture upside the head and saying, "See? Do you see? It was never about the long hair and the folk music and Woodstock and taking so much acid you see Jesus and Shiva and Buddha tongue kissing in a hammock on the Dog Star, nimrods." It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie junk no one believes in anymore. Right? Mark Morford's column appears Wednesdays and Fridays in Datebook and on SFGate.com. Source: SF Gate (CA)Author: Mark Morford, SF Gate ColumnistPublished: Wednesday, May 2, 2007Copyright: 2007 SF Gate Contact: mmorford sfgate.comWebsite: http://www.sfgate.com/CannabisNews -- Cannabis Archiveshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/list/cannabis.shtml
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Comment #330 posted by Hope on August 22, 2007 at 08:28:57 PT
Smoke and a Fifth
Did you get what I was laughing about, FoM? Your record was about "smoke" and mine was about a "fifth". Which made me think of booze. Smoke and a fifth of Beethoven.It wasn't that funny... and it's kind of stupid...but I was afraid you didn't get why I thought it was funny.
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Comment #329 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 21:26:53 PT
Hope
Long hair music! That's good.
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Comment #328 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 21:20:33 PT
The first forty five that I ever had
was bought at a record store that would sell records they hadn't sold for like 12 cents a piece. As I remember, it was Save the Last Dance for Me. Which was really a cool song.My little brother bought one at the same time that I just hated. It was a Rockabilly record called Dig Them Squeaky Shoes. He loved it though. He kept it hanging on the wall in his bedroom. It fell and broke one day and he blamed me for it because he knew I didn't like it. But, I promise...I didn't. But I was glad.
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Comment #327 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 21:16:06 PT
Lol!
That's funny. Especially, I think, that my first record ever was an album. Beethoven's Fifth!I think that's what it was. When I was probably about nine years old, we had recently moved to a new rent house in Fort Worth and it came in the mail, apparently to someone who lived there before or maybe it was left there in a storage room and still unopened. I remember that it was new and unopened, though. We didn't have a record player that would play it...but I treasured it and kept it for years and years...and of course eventually had a "Hi-Fi" that would play it.That's so funny. Your first one was Smoke Gets in Your Eyes and mine was Beethoven's Fifth. That just strikes me as so funny. I'm tired, though.
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Comment #326 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 20:15:38 PT
Hope
The very first song that I wanted and my mom got for me was Smoke Gets In You Eyes. How funny now that song title sounds anymore.
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Comment #325 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 19:35:48 PT
Wooly Bully
was one of my forty fives when I was a kid. So obviously, I liked it, too. Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs. "Watch it now! Watch it!":0)
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Comment #324 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 17:37:47 PT
Hope
I guess the words everyone was singing weren't in Louie Louie. LOL!It was so out there it got a lot of attention. The things you learn over 40 years later!
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Comment #323 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 17:16:27 PT
Hope
I loved Wooly Bully but have no idea what it was about. We had Louie Louie in our Wurlitzer Jukebox in our cafeteria at catholic school. It took the Nuns awhile to figure out the words and that one got pulled! LOL!
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Comment #322 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:51:44 PT
Never heard anything risque in Louie Louie
Wooly Bully? What was that about?
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Comment #321 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:49:28 PT
I've always been one to take things at face value
without trying to figure out any hidden meaning.I really thought Bob Dylan's Everybody must get stoned...was about people being mad at you. I did. I know. It sounds impossible. But it's true. There's no telling how many times I visited fancy head shops in malls and thought they were really cool and I didn't have a clue. Not a clue! I just didn't give it much thought. Rolling papers and pipes meant tobacco to me. Yes, I saw the fancy glass work...and carburetors and all...but it still didn't get through to me because I didn't know what any of that was about. But after I knew...it was a whole different deal. "They'll stone you when you're walking down the street." Dirty looks?
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Comment #320 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 16:25:09 PT
Hope
Meaning are so different for different people when it comes to a song like Puff the Magic Dragon. It's all in how you see it when you listened to it years ago. I never figured out what Stairway to Heaven meant. I tried and tried. I don't think 2001 a Space Odyssey
was made for people who used LSD but that's what many people did when they went to see it I read.
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Comment #319 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:23:42 PT
If they can pull this off...it would be great.
Maybe. They would, no doubt, be a very wealthy county...the new "Wine Country"...but that might make some old timers sad. It would certainly make land there very valuable...I'd think. They could probably learn to live with it. Just think of the schools and hospitals they could build.http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n977/a05.html?397Supes Mull Letter Of Support For Legalizing Marijuana
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Comment #318 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:16:09 PT
Runruff
Museman, Have you been able to hear anything else about Runruff? I know you said he wasn't going to get to come home this month after all and that you hadn't had any contact with Mrs. Runruff, but I was wondering. This August has been on my mind so long now...that I think of him so often and that he should be home now. Of course, he was wrongfully imprisoned, but he was supposed to be home from the injustice by now.Do you think he will come back here and tell us about it...or can he?I'm so sad. At his age, this could be so traumatic. I hope he's ok...or as ok as he can be what with all his physical problems.Is he going to be on probation forever. I thought when you served your whole sentence there wouldn't be probation. It's so crazy.
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Comment #317 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 16:08:09 PT
Puff's Magic Wasn't Smoke
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n977/a09.html?397
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Comment #316 posted by museman on August 21, 2007 at 16:06:03 PT
FoM, Hope,
Yes,...yes. Correct deduction.
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Comment #315 posted by Hope on August 21, 2007 at 14:53:13 PT
That is so cool, Museman.
A Blue Bird Duck Bus with a picket fence and a sweet color scheme. I like it!Are those the Ducks' team colors? The Ducks are a ball team, right?
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Comment #314 posted by FoM on August 21, 2007 at 14:15:02 PT
museman
Is that your bus?
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Comment #313 posted by museman on August 21, 2007 at 14:05:33 PT
Duck Bus pictures
The 'Duck Bus'http://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/Busfront2.jpghttp://www.terryhubbard.com/pics/busside1.jpg
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Comment #312 posted by museman on August 20, 2007 at 16:41:23 PT
Had Enough
I guess I'mn gonna have to put a picture of the bus up. And you guessed right about it.Disco was part of the well orchestrated plan to destroy the power and meaning of folk/protest/rock. And it totally destroyed one of my favorite bands the Bgees. That was worse than when I went away from the rainbow for a year, and when I came back, all my musician friends had gone dread, and couldn' seem to play music any more.Well, a good friend of mine once said, (with great psychedelic authority I might add) after a spectacular demonstration of random chaotic musical sounds from a group of almost total non-musicians one psychedelic Halloween night; "There is a difference between 'sound' and 'music.'"I would like to add that "There is a difference between fulfillment, and entertainment." Sometime in the mid-seventies the fulfilling aspect of the music got shuffled off stage right, and was replaced with "The Show."Never had much respect for the showboaters. Disco was all about the lights, the color, and the exhibitionism of wild, but choreographed dance. Alcohol played a major part as well.Nowadays, talent and skill take second seat to looks and appearance.
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Comment #311 posted by FoM on August 19, 2007 at 10:54:10 PT
Had Enough
I never liked Disco music. It made me think that the peaceful loving ways of people who smoked marijuana were being destroyed by cocaine fueled craziness. I stop listening to new music and stayed with what I liked. I do like many songs since those days but there isn't one in the disco category that I liked. I didn't want the world to go faster but I wanted it to slow down a little and for people to connect with each other and enjoy life and family.
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Comment #310 posted by Had Enough on August 19, 2007 at 10:47:15 PT
Disco Sucked
Disco Demolition Night
July 12, 1979, Cominskey Park, Chicago The night thousands of pissed-off, hard rock fans sent the biggest %uck-you in music history to every disco pus…more…http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disco+Demolition+NightThe era of disco ended in 1979 when an event called Disco Demolition Night, which was held at the Chicago White Sox stadium , quickly became one of the worst sports disasters of the century when disgruntled rock fans wrecked the stadium while racing to get the disco records burned and blown up.more… http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=discoDisco Demolition Night 25 yr AnniverseryPhotos, news articles, and general description of the night of July 12, 1979 when Chicago rock DJ, Steve Dahl and baseball promoter, Mike Veeck organized a ...http://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/index.htmlhttp://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/photos/index.html
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Comment #309 posted by Had Enough on August 19, 2007 at 09:49:07 PT
Duck Buses
I made that last post in super haste. After it was posted I figured I really didn’t understand about the Duck Bus. Note: Before I sat down to type that, I hesitated, thought to myself that I should do it later when I wasn’t having to rush off and had more time to respond, but I ignored that first thought and posted, came back later and saw how lame it can appear. I should always stay with my first thoughts… hindsight… 20/20…I’ll bet that Duck Bus is the bus you use for your studio; the one you have previously mentioned here and the bus you can see in your videos.Mistakenly I thought you were referring to a cheaply made plastic overpriced sports souvenir you came across somewhere. I just can’t vision you purchasing something like that, so take no offence. I didn’t intend to slam your studio version of the Duck Bus.At any rate the Duck Jokes still stand though…And Duck is still “what’s for dinner”!!!… ;)_*********more Duck Jokes:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=duck+jokes
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Comment #308 posted by Had Enough on August 16, 2007 at 14:21:22 PT
Ducks
DucksDuck Bus. Oooh Ahaa, spify, neato, cool man, cool. I’m greeneyed, got to go find a Duck Bus now.Do your Ducks do the Disco??? Do they run around flapping their wings with a spoon for up everybody’s nose??? Are they “Polyethylene Pam”???I didn’t think so.Duck Jokeshttp://iloveduckies.com/funnies/duckjokes.htmhttp://animalliberationfront.com/Games/Comedy/Duckjokeandmore.htmlhttp://danggoodjokes.com/ducks/http://www.gii.in/fun/yankee-lawyers-duck-and-the-old-farmer/Speaking of Ducks, every time I think I have my Ducks lined up in a row, they get all wambley and out of line then wander off someplace else……..(;-)_
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Comment #307 posted by FoM on August 16, 2007 at 13:48:07 PT
Museman
On the news they make all kinds of fuss over Elvis Presley's death anniversary. He died from drug and alcohol abuse. He was seen shaking hands with Nixon to help fight drugs. John Lennon had a message and he was murdered and we don't see much about him like we do Elvis. They've always been against people who think to the left of the right.
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Comment #306 posted by museman on August 16, 2007 at 13:33:36 PT
but seriously...
The thought has occured to me that the whole idea of 'reminiscing the '60's' and 'hippy nostalgia' has a dark purpose.The era referred to as 'the sixties' was a marked point, a turnstile in the process of achieving true freedom from Lords, and their 'bosses.'The people were coaxed into fighting the first American Revolution by the American aristicracy, and their bankers on the premise of liberty, but when the dust cleared, the same old rich people were in all the positiions of power.The constitution is constructed around the concept of
'elite powers' and makes very little concession for the non-elite. The first ammendment was a bone thrown to the masses, and the masters set their exclusive powers of 'law' (lawyers) against the people accessing their constitutional rights, and creating a beaurocracy that defeats anyone without the very resources that these thieves hoard and protect with their armed dogs.The Civil War was the second major attempt at freedom in America, but even that was fought under false pretenses, and freedom for the people lost major ground.There was the labor movement. Womens sufferage. The right to vote without being a card-carrying-member of of the local country club.Progress? Seemingly so, but not really, because all compromises were made within a system that was fatally flawed to begin with.There was a youth movement in the 20's and early thirties that was similar in a lot of ways to the sixties, but the 'depression' (a contrived set of circumstances by the major bankers who belonged to the elite society) totally destroyed that embryonic movement. Prohibition came about as one of the results of the status quo (social elite) attempting to disable American activism.And just as the next generation was coming of age, the social elite classes got together, funded Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin. The munitions makers, and the oil magnates -all related spiritually, and somewhat genetically to each other and the various rulers of the world, cleaned up on that war, and the Joes who fought and died were hailed as 'heroes' with much pomp and circumstance, memorial and flag waving. The plunder was so great for the bankers and such, that bigger bones of seeming material substance (the "American Dream") were given to the returning 'heroes' who were all screwed up in the head from the war, but afraid to admit it. So they tried to pass on their fake values to another generation. The 'war' was already set up, so that when our gerneration started to flex it's potential, they were ready for us.Vietnam polarized us in a way that the powers that be actually became afraid of our collective power, and eveything that could be done to undermine that potential was done.Most of my generation lost site of the spirit of what was truly happening, and bought into 'career, home,television, and SUV.'Every generation following has had their war, and their Hollywood productions of the American 'carrot on the stick.'The era of the sixties is now treated like it was a special, one-of-a-kind moment in history, and that it was the equivalent of a great big generational fart that we are all glad to have behind us.The fact is that the can of worms that has been opened, did not get the lid put back on it, even though most of my generation gave up a long time ago.The 'movement' of the sixties era did not 'go away' it just became more rooted in the few who did not sell out for materialism. Though the status quo would like to 'put it all behind' I'm sure, the Truth, once revealed never, never goes away.All the hype and replay of 'days gone by' -and very selectively at that- is just another excuse to not acknowledge the mistakes and the accomplishments, but to package the whole thing into a convenient box to set on the shelf and smile nostalgicly at.The Spirit of Truth lives yet in an other generation, and the circumstances my generation allowed to come about through sheer apathy and materialistic 'individuality' has made some of the historical truth of the recent past come home to roost.Life is not entertainment, it is movement of the now through infinite possibilities.
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Comment #305 posted by museman on August 16, 2007 at 12:17:17 PT
Had Enough
Hey watch it with the duck jokes, we're all ducks in this family. I got a bonifide Duck Bus called the "Autzen Express" which is the home field for the Oregon Ducks.(;-)
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Comment #304 posted by FoM on August 16, 2007 at 09:40:15 PT
Had Enough
You said: Duck!!! It's what’s for dinner!!! That's so funny!
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Comment #303 posted by Had Enough on August 16, 2007 at 09:26:02 PT
Bob Dylan Look-Alikes, Hippies Turn Out
Bob Dylan Look-Alikes, Hippies Turn Out for Mark Ronson Video ShootYesterday, the video for Mark Ronson’s remix of Bob Dylan’s “Most Likely You’ll Go Your Way (And I’ll Go Mine)” was filmed at Williamsburg, Brooklyn’s Art and Historical Center. Casting agents had placed an ad on Craigslist last week asking for willing extras, and those who showed up weren’t disappointed: The elaborate shoot involved a few Bob Dylan look-alikes, a crashed motorcycle, a hoard of camped out hippies, the Dap-Kings, a Seventies-disco club (and according to some reports, breakdancers and a gospel choir).more...http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/08/15/bob-dylan-look-alikes-hippies-turn-out-for-mark-ronson-video-shoot/**********Even the Disco Crowd showed up too. Probably not much use for them in here in this event unless it is to show how phony and plastic they were.I remember people saying Rock n Roll is dead, while discoing to the Duck. Well look who is still here...Duck!!! It's what’s for dinner!!!
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Comment #302 posted by FoM on August 15, 2007 at 12:20:31 PT
A Trip Down Memory Lane
CBS 2 Classic: Woodstock -- Aug. 15-18, 1969Three Days Of Peace And Music That Became Legendary(CBS) NEW YORK -- Woodstock was billed as three days of peace and music. Instead the four-day concert became the cornerstone for the counterculture of a “hippie” movement, helped develop musical events through present day, and changed the history of Rock 'n Roll. URL: http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/local_story_225151841.html
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Comment #301 posted by FoM on August 14, 2007 at 08:09:11 PT
Had Enough
I am so glad we got to see the Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's Freedom of Speech Tour. The message was strong and I will never forget it. I doubt they will ever play together again. Neil is doing a graphic novel about Greendale. I don't know what it is about but it should be interesting. Rumors are Neil is recording so I don't know what might come out of it but I hope he has at least one more tour in him and hopefully with Crazy Horse. If his health and age keeps him from Rockin' in the Free World he did a great job and he should be proud of his accomplishments. I know I am.Happy Birthday David!
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Comment #300 posted by Had Enough on August 14, 2007 at 07:48:54 PT
So you say it’s your birthday…
From Rolling Stone Daily Newsletter.TODAY'S BIRTHDAYS
David Crosby, 66 Ana Matronic of Scissor Sisters, 33 ******The Byrds wouldn't have been the same band without the
god-given vocal touches and innovative songwriting of David
Crosby. While he was helping to give California a sound tha ... Morehttp://www.rhapsody.com/davidcrosby******I'm happy you got to see those concerts FoM.
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Comment #299 posted by FoM on August 12, 2007 at 10:50:31 PT
Had Enough
Thank you. I know that the last show of the CSNY Tour David Crosby was having a hard time and Neil kept encouraging him to keep going. I know how much I enjoyed watching him sing Almost Cut My Hair.
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Comment #298 posted by Had Enough on August 12, 2007 at 10:20:50 PT
David Crosby Cancels Colo. Performance
LOS ANGELES (AP) - David Crosby has canceled a performance in Aspen, Colo., that was set for next week because he has the stomach flu.
Crosby, 65, was to be part of the "Lyrically Speaking" series hosted by the Aspen Writers' Foundation on Thursday. The event features performances by musicians who also talk about the songwriting process.
He will reschedule his appearance, his manager, Elliot Roberts, said Friday. Crosby, who received a liver transplant in 1994, performs with Crosby, Stills & Nash and with his son James Raymond
in the group CPRMore…http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070810/D8QUDCEO0.html******http://www.crosbycpr.com/http://www.crosbystillsnash.com/
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Comment #297 posted by Toker00 on August 10, 2007 at 09:09:56 PT
Yep.
What a gem of an article. I knew the Hippies were right all along. Thanks for sending me here. Tell Diamond RUFF! I understand about being stretched thin. It's a daily thing for me now too. My weekends are not weekends. They are overflow catchers. The next two months are the busiest of the year at our college. They pile me up with projects and I stay busy for the next six months digging out from under. You know.As a child my cousin lived next door and raised German Shephards. They were always Silver or Tan. I don't remember any black ones at all. They raised for sale. Those pups were so much fun! These dogs all grew to be humongous. I guess it was some specific strain of Shephard, but they were huge.Wage Peace on War. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #296 posted by Had Enough on August 10, 2007 at 06:09:37 PT
You Found It
Hey Toker, It’s really good to see you back here again.You say Elvis is doing well, cool. I take it Molly is your other Dachshund. Give them a scratch behind the ear for us.Thanks for asking about the family. Everybody is okay here, so far. I hope yours are as well. I saw in another thread about your son sending you a CD of his band, super cool!!!We got us a pup. A Black Lassie faced, female German Shepherd. She is really cool. Her name is Diamond. As in Black Diamond in the ruff. :)She is all black and beautiful, and she is a little monster, and we love every minute of it. We had a bout with roundworms. After spraying the yard and giving her pharms from the vet (I hate to admit it too), we finally cleared them up. I’ve been researching this stuff called food-grade Diatomaceous Earth. Link below.The girl we got here from is really, really cool. She has been breeding German Shepherds since the 60’s. She breeds for Quality, and not Quantity. This was her 20th litter. 10 pups, every one of them all black. She said that is rare. Most of the time only some are black, some are the other colored coats, and some are a mixture. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time for all this to come together. I have a feeling St. Francis might have been, watching over. :)3 or 4 of her litter mates are going to be used for breeding, about the same amount are going to be used for showdogs, and agility training, and one is going off to be trained for a cadiver recovery dog.She isn’t the dog I to put to sleep, but she is incredible in her own way, and she really likes people and other dogs so far. But you can tell she is going to be very protective, and I “pity the fool” who comes around here looking for trouble. She is very strong in mind and body, as a German Sheperd is... A test of strenth and wills, I love it… Very sleek and agile too, panther like moves at times.Within 2 days she was here, she found almost all the favorite spots Shadow/Eby used to hang out. I was amazed at that.**********food-grade Diatomaceous Earth link…http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=diatomaceous+earth+food+grade&btnG=Google+SearchThis is an old thread, not sure if you saw it or not, so I thought I would bring it to your attention…I’ve been really busy lately and its been interfering with my activity here. I’ve got people breathing down my neck wanting me to go do stuff. The problem is I have more stuff than I can do, and the more stuff I do, the more it costs, but I don’t seem to see much more of it. And speaking of which, it’s back off to the grind, to pay for the grid. The TELEPHONE rang again in the middle of the last paragraph.
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Comment #295 posted by FoM on August 07, 2007 at 10:44:26 PT
San Francisco: Summer of Love Anniversary Event
Over One Hundred Musicians Will Take the Summer of Love StageAugust 7, 2007SAN FRANCISCO, CA. (Top40 Charts/ 2b1 Multimedia) - Most of San Francisco's largest musical icons have agreed to perform at the Summer of Love 40th anniversary event. According to SOL producer Boots Hughston; 'The bill is impressive, hundreds of musicians have confirmed, come September 2nd San Francisco is in for a real musical treat. There are also several additional big name acts on the bill that cannot be advertised due to contractual obligations. Musicians are flying in from all over the world to participate in this historic event.' Complete Article: http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=34552
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Comment #294 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 11:18:39 PT
Hope
Too funny!
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Comment #293 posted by Hope on July 20, 2007 at 11:15:57 PT
What do hippies do?
Answer: They hold your leggies on.(Found that in an old dot to dot activity book around here.)
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Comment #292 posted by FoM on July 20, 2007 at 10:41:07 PT
E-Mail from Toker00
He just e-mailed me and he wants to let us all know he is going to be a Grandfather! That is great. He said his computer is not going to work anymore so he will need to buy a new one. He can't even check us out here because he is on a company computer. He is ok and anxious to get back.
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Comment #291 posted by FoM on July 16, 2007 at 14:25:48 PT
Video: Neil Young, Ben and His Trains
This is one of the reason why I just love Neil Young.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UENULIH0Ks
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Comment #290 posted by FoM on July 16, 2007 at 09:27:37 PT
Barry McGuire
I didn't know where to put what I am thinking right now and here seemed the best place. With the Nuclear accident in Japan because of the earthquake I decided to listen to Eve of Destruction so I went and found a Youtube video (I can't watch bandwidth issue) but others might want to see it.Quake Hits Japan Nuclear Planthttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22085481-2703,00.htmlEve of Destruction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE
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Comment #289 posted by Hope on July 16, 2007 at 06:12:41 PT
Had Enough
When you said you'd sent plants, I knew exactly what you meant. Ivy, lilies, philodendron, schefflera, and so forth.But you are right about clarifying. I'm sure there are people who read here for no other reason than to hopefully catch us in some sort of "crime".
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Comment #288 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 14:55:58 PT
Had Enough
I understand what you are saying. When I use the word garden it worries me. They call marijuana gardens plantations now though! LOL! Aren't or weren't plantations in the south but not in California?
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Comment #287 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 13:54:28 PT
Clarification Please
To whom it may concern.The plants we sent to the family were Floral Plants from the flower shop. Not the plants usually discussed here on this website.
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Comment #286 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 13:25:49 PT
Memories
MemoriesLast minute rush to the grind delayed an hour. TELEPHONES!!! Ahhhh!!!Yes the memory will be good. But the one I will always think of is whenever he had been drinking, Shadow wouldn’t let him around his kids. It was really funny to watch and I used to tease him about it all the time. The dog wouldn’t let him in the fence unless someone else was there. When he wasn’t drinking he was still leery of the dog. The dog never bit him or attacked, but she just wouldn’t let him get near those kids. She would stand or sit between him and the kids, run between them to keep them seperated, sometimes bark at him. A sight to behold.His widow is a lot more upset than what it appears. I took her outside, away from the crowd for a while, and she cried her eyes out on my shoulder. I just let her have at it and let her get it all out, about as much as she could anyway.His second oldest son is 21, is having a hard time. It really shocked him. The widow was telling me this while we were away from the crowd. 15 minutes later he showed up and yes he was having a hard time dealing with it. It was really sad. Some of his friends gathered him up and went off riding around the mud holes with their 4 wheel drive trucks. It was cool to see the friendship shared by these youngsters; they were treating each other like brothers and sisters.
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Comment #285 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 12:34:25 PT
Had Enough
I'm glad you were able to get together and celebrate your friend's life. That will always be a good memory.
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Comment #284 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 12:25:19 PT
Thanks
It’s okay. It really is.But the widow isn’t doing well; neither are two of his sons. He had 3 sons and one very cute daughter; she is beauty pageant quality, although I doubt she will go that path. Bride cared for the 3 youngest ones for a while. Those are some of the kids I used to watch Shadow heard around, and keep in line.Since he found out he had cancer, Bride and I, and other friends had talked about how it wouldn’t be long before his time is up. How I found out about when he died is what got me.Around noon Friday I was dashing in and out, and got a phone call about him. His obituary was in Friday’s newspaper. He had died Sunday and had his memorial service Tuesday. And this was Friday. So we sent the widow some plants, and she called and told us the whole deal and said they were having a send off party for him at this small bar he liked.We went saw some old friends and celebrated his life until 4 am. Three more bars after the first one, the whole group made the rounds. Been a long time since I’ve done that. Not as young as I used to be.And as it is I got to go back to the grind. Sometimes I think these modern marvel technology gismos like this TELEPHONE were put here by the devil to plague mankind :)
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Comment #283 posted by Hope on July 15, 2007 at 11:29:52 PT
Had Enough
I'm sorry you've lost a friend.
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Comment #282 posted by FoM on July 15, 2007 at 11:23:33 PT
Had Enough
I'm so very sorry. It's hard to lose our friends. We've lost more then I care to admit already. A song that has always brought me comfort is a song called I know you're out there somewhere.***I know you're out there somewhereSomewhere, somewhereI know you're out there somewhereSomewhere you can hear my voiceI know I'll find you somehowSomehow, somehowI know I'll find you somehowAnd somehow I'll return again to youhttp://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/moodyblues/iknowyoureouttheresomewhere.html
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Comment #281 posted by Had Enough on July 15, 2007 at 10:52:14 PT
All Things Must Pass
In comment 133 in this thread I mentioned a friend who has cancer and probably won’t live much longer.Last night we attended a memorial for him.He died last Sunday. He was in his early 50’sWe gave him real good send off.
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Comment #280 posted by Hope on July 13, 2007 at 09:27:35 PT
"My, My. Hey. Hey."
Brother Neil is serenading my housework."My,My. Hey. Hey."Brother Neil is "here to stay".
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Comment #279 posted by museman on July 13, 2007 at 08:54:08 PT
music
For those who are in the neighborhood;My favorite band, 'RiverTrain' will be playing at the 'Jammin' on the Salmon' for 2 nights at the end of the month.RiverTrain is an oldies band that I play with. Quite different from my own stuff...often compared to the Grateful Dead. Fun.So we are scraping off the rust that accumulated while we 'slept.' Lots of scraping to do.Details when I have 'em.
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Comment #278 posted by FoM on July 12, 2007 at 20:09:59 PT
Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day
Mark Your Calendar -- The Mother of the Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Celebrations Will Be Held in Golden Gate Park on September 2nd 2007***Thursday July 12, 2007San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom Proclaims Sept. 2, 2007 Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day Next Update: August 1, 2007 SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom has issued a proclamation declaring Sunday, September 2, 2007, Summer of Love 40th Anniversary Day in San Francisco. On that day, the 40th Anniversary Summer of Love Free Concert will take place in Golden Gate Park's Speedway Meadows between 10 AM and 6 PM. Mayor Newsom acknowledged the 60's movement in his proclamation which begins:
"Whereas, The Summer of Love in San Francisco is internationally recognized as the birthplace of the 60's revolution that ignited a spiritual awaking that swept the world..." The full proclamation including concert information can be found at www.2b1records.com/summeroflove40th.CONFIRMED ACTS INCLUDE (July 9, 07): Country Joe McDonald, Taj Mahal, Lester Chambers (from Chambers Brothers), Canned Heat, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Jesse Colin Young, Banana (from the Youngbloods), Jerry Miller Band (from Moby Grape) featuring Tyran Porter (from the Doobie Brothers) and Dale Okerman (from the Doobie Brothers), Michael McClure and Ray Manzarek (from the Doors), San Francisco's First Family of Rock (TBA), Brian Auger, Alvin Lee, Nick Gravenites Band with David Laflamme, The Alameda All Stars (from Gregg Allman band), Terry Haggerty (from the Sons of Champlin), Dan Hicks, The Charlatans, Essra Mohawk (from Mothers of Invention), Barry "The Fish" Melton (from Country Joe and the Fish), All Night Flight featuring David Denny (from Steve Miller), Jack King (from Cold Blood), Merl Saunders (supporting the event), Squid B. Vicious, Jim Post (Friend and Lover, Siegel Schwall Blues Band), Fayette Hauser and the Cockets, Terrance Hallinan (former SF DA) Ruth Weiss (Beat Poet), Richard Eastman (marijuana initiative), Lenore Kandel (Beat Poet), Paul "Lobster" Wells (MC), Dr Hip MC (Eugene Schoenfeld), Artie Kornfeild (Woodstock), Leigh Davidson (Height Ashbery Medical Clinic), Doug Green (MC), Chief Sunne Reyna, Iroquois Tribe, Dakota Tribe, Seminole Tribe, Emit Powell and the Gospel Elites. Many more artists are currently in discussion for appearances at the event. We are not able to pre-announce certain San Francisco heritage musicians that may have been listed previously due to their having other gigs within the usual 60-mile/60-day blackout areas.What began 40 years ago in San Francisco will be celebrated worldwide this summer. Other events across the nation and around the world are also honoring the "Summer of Love 40th Anniversary," including; Canada, England, France, Germany, the Czech Republic and in Monterey and San Diego, California. All these events recognize and support the principals of the 60's generation and the birth of the counter-culture.A web cast of San Francisco's Golden Gate Park 40th Anniversary Concert will be streamed throughout the day on the Apple QuickTime website.Pop artist icon Peter Max said, "I am so happy to see that a concert is being held in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Summer of Love. It's important there is a historical legacy to the message that this time period represents. We need to always celebrate the universal values of compassion, peace and love."Contact:
PRODUCED BY: 2b1 Multimedia Inc. and the Council of Light
415-861-1520 (PUBLIC CONTACT)
Summeroflove40th yahoo.com
http://www.2b1records.com/summeroflove40th
or
Lee Houskeeper, 415-777-4700 (MEDIA CONTACT)
newsservice aol.comSource: 2b1 Multimedia Inc.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070712/20070627006317.html?.v=2
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Comment #277 posted by FoM on July 11, 2007 at 07:06:54 PT
Links Mentioned on Live Earth
Worm Poop: http://www.terracycle.net/worm_poop.htmMethod Home: http://www.methodhome.com/Ed Begley, Jr. - Environment: http://www.edbegley.com/environment/
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Comment #276 posted by FoM on July 10, 2007 at 20:13:33 PT
The Sundance Channel: The Green
We just watched a couple shows on this Sundance Channel and I thought others might want to check this out.http://www.sundancechannel.com/thegreen
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Comment #275 posted by FoM on July 09, 2007 at 06:25:02 PT
whig
No Problem. I removed the comment.
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Comment #274 posted by whig on July 09, 2007 at 01:41:40 PT
FoM
I think #258 isn't in the best taste on reflection and is off topic as well. Could you remove it?Wow this is a long thread!
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Comment #273 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:57:20 PT
UK: Tories Highlight Cannabis Dangers In Drug Blue
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n811/a01.html?397
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Comment #272 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:39:22 PT
Gore Glad His Son Is Safe, Being Treated
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n814/a07.html?397
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Comment #271 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:30:11 PT
Driving on frozen lakes...
I've had nightmares of such.
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Comment #270 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:27:50 PT
Pot As Public Policy
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n815/a03.html?397
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Comment #269 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 21:14:27 PT
Very cool!
Viewing C-News in High Contrast.
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Comment #268 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:45:43 PT
Hope
It is amazing that trucks can carry up to 60,000 pounds on a frozen lake. That has to be the most dangerous truck driving job ever. Lose power and your convoy and you won't live very long in those temperatures.
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Comment #267 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:37:59 PT
Ice and mountains and grades...
Don't need no ice. Don't want no grades.It's quite frightening.
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Comment #266 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:35:11 PT
Ice Road Truckers
Oh...my...gosh!I've watched it. It is sooooo Stressful!
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Comment #265 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:33:48 PT
"Would you please tell the Man...
I didn't kill anyone?" "I'm just trying to have me some fun.""Oh... "
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Comment #264 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:32:00 PT
Losing Bone Mass!
Hope that was so funny. Thanks for the laugh. We are watching this series on Sunday nights called Ice Road Truckers. These truckers haul freight on frozen lakes up to a diamond mine in Alaska. If you break through the ice it's all over. It goes down to 50 below. They show some of the truckers and how they live on the ice road for 2 months while it is frozen. I don't think they get paid enough money to do this dangerous job. Stick thinks they get between 3 and 4 dollars a mile.
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Comment #263 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:23:54 PT
Bandwidth
I can't even get the first page of that radio station web site to load completely without messing up and taking forever and still messing up.The radio is pretty good though.The computer has been unbearably slow all day.I'm sitting here losing bone mass as I wait for it to load.:0)
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Comment #262 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:20:53 PT
Maybe it's safe to turn it back on now.
I don't like him at all. That's the first time I remember hearing him on that station, and I listen to often.
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Comment #261 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 18:18:03 PT
I had to turn it off for awhile...
T. Nugent spoke and sang. Gag.Earlier I laughed at this one by Ray Wylie Hubbard. "Snake Farm".http://cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/hubbard-ray-wylie/snake-farm-17589.html
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Comment #260 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 18:13:20 PT
Hope
I don't know how much radio bandwidth uses so I haven't even listen to Rust Radio. I slowly am figuring out how much I can use but I check the stats on my HughesNet usage page and figure out what might have caused any increase. Once I figure it out I will use more but I am gun shy right now. I have barely used any recently. Maybe we'll all remember the days of isps and restricted bandwidth in a few years. It will improve I'm sure. Maybe wireless will be how it will work in the not to distant future for more people.
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Comment #259 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 17:56:55 PT
Willie Nelson just sang my tears....
and his...I think. It reminds me of my first marriage breaking up. It may remind you of Bob Barr, FoM.The song was, "The Last Thing I needed The First Thing This Morning".I laughed with "The Illegal Smile" song. It makes me smile. I think you... or some people can listen on line.It's a wonderful mix of music, I think.It's for mature audiences only.Lonestarmusic.com92.5
http://lonestar925.com/pages/main/
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Comment #257 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 14:07:22 PT
Tabs and Chords
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/tabs/allan-gary/what-would-willie-do-8339.html
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Comment #256 posted by Hope on July 08, 2007 at 14:02:25 PT
"What Would Willie Do?"
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/allan-gary/what-would-willie-do-4299.html
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Comment #255 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 12:36:41 PT
Had Enough
That was a funny story about the raccoon. When I was a teenager my boyfriend shot a racoon and then found she had little ones. He gave me one and we raised him in our home. He went outside and followed us along with the dogs when we went to the barn everyday. We named him Rory Raccoon and took him to horse shows on a leash. He was really fun but when nature called he left but he brought his bride and children thru the farm to show us he was doing his thing and then we never saw him again.
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Comment #254 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 12:28:59 PT
Had Enough
Our cats have kittens but they don't live long. We've only had one kitten so far this year. We have a bobcat or something much bigger then a cat that must get them when they wander into the woods. We usually have 8 or 9 outside only cats and that number has stayed like that for years now. Sassy catches moles and now we don't have moles anymore it seems. Kaptin doesn't do much of anything but be a Rott. LOL!
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Comment #253 posted by Had Enough on July 08, 2007 at 12:07:15 PT
Cats
These cats that invaded here were strays. I noticed one person started leaving food out for them. Next thing you know there were about fifty of these cats running around. Not one of those cats ever went to the vet for shots or anything else. They just roamed wherever they thought hey could, and had litter after litter after litter.A girl who lives next door to us has a fishpond in her back yard with some exotic goldfish in it. These goldfish were about a foot long and those cats ate them. She got a trap and started catching them and calling the animal control people to come and get them. The animal control people would spay & neutered them, give them proper vaccinations and release them in appropriate areas. Some are adopted out if they are tame enough. She caught so many the animal control people asked her to slow down for a couple of weeks because they were overloaded with cats, not just hers but from others in the county too. That was about 2 months ago, and she got most of the cats anyhow. Since there is a dog around again the remaining cats keep their distance.She also caught a raccoon in that trap. Boy was that coon pi$$ed. 2 cops behind my house released it. I was using the computer and looked out the window and saw 2 cops and her standing in the back yard. When I got out there and saw what was happening I couldn’t help but chuckle. Man that raccoon was unhappy about the whole thing. One cop held the cage down and the other took this spring loaded telescoping baton out and used it to open the trap door. He held the door open and the coon stayed in the rear of the trap. The other cop who was holding the cage was talking about sticking his baton stick in the cage and poking it. Right about now I’m thinkin this is going to get interesting, people pay good money to see a show that can’t compare to this:) Well the other cop said to him “Don’t poke him it will just make him worse, and he told the guy to just back off and get away from the cage. He did and within seconds that coon came flying out of that cage, down the ally and up a tree. The whole scene was kinda entertaining. If that cop would have poked that coon he might have been in for a little surprise there.Before the strays came and multiplied there were 2 cats that neighbors let roam. These cats were taken to the vets for shots, spayed and neutered and were kind of cool to have around. We called one Garfield because he acted and looked just like the cartoon character. He would tease shadow to no end. He would jump up on the windowsill and do the waving of the tail thing. Shadow would go nuts. The cat knew he was safe as long as that glass was there. He would also tease her in the back yard out of harms way one the other side of the fence. I used to get a kick out of it. Shadow would bark and look at me and paw at the gate for me to open it so she could go chase the cat.Another cat from across the street called Sylvester used to tease her too. These cats quit roaming when the strays came, and stay close to home now. Garfield belongs to the girl who trapped all those cats, and she keeps him inside now. Those 2 cats kept the mouse population under control too.Toker00. You might be right about the “Texas Flood” thing.Now here’s’ how you do the blues..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAxLgGVRV64Stevie Ray Vaughan - Texas Flood
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Comment #252 posted by FoM on July 08, 2007 at 10:14:52 PT
Had Enough
I am so glad she is working out for you. I'm not sure how long I could be without at least one dog. We have outside cats but I am not a cat person. We feed them and water them and they keep mice away. I haven't seen a mouse around here in years. As far as Toker00 goes he said he was getting a cable hookup on Friday and I thought he'd post. Maybe because of all the flooding in Texas the cable installation got put back a little or something.
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Comment #251 posted by Had Enough on July 08, 2007 at 10:07:07 PT
Puppy
FoMYou asked about the puppy in another thread.She is doing fine. She has a lot of drive and determination, very strong willed. Her body is developing very well; she weighs about 40 pounds now, and is getting very strong.She likes to play tricks on us, and she is testing different family members as to how much she can get away with. Priceless…She is also keeping Bride very busy, and that is helping to keep her going too. Bride loves that dog. When someone comes over and they see the pup I tell them this is my baby girl, Bride chimes right in, and “She’s my baby girl”. I love it.I’m seeing some of her protective personality showing up. She will end up being very protective, and along with her agility, strength, and drive, “I pity the fool who will come around to cause harm.”After Shadow died, the ally cats started getting closer and closer, and eventually inside the fence. The ground got contaminated with roundworm eggs and they infected the puppy. We are working with the Vet and the breeder to help fix the problem. I’m thinking of using diatomaceous earth along with the stuff the vet is giving her.FOOD GRADE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH FACTS & INFORMATIONhttp://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.htmlI’ve been super busy here and it is interfering with my time posting, everybody likes to be busy, but I don’t like having to go in 9 directions at one time. I still get to check in to see the comments and articles, but when get a chance to post I have to Post and Run. After the weather cools a bit I won’t be so busy, and I can slow up some and catch my breath.Have you heard from Toker00? I would love to see him back here again.
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Comment #250 posted by whig on July 04, 2007 at 15:16:38 PT
Link
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/04/ap3884495.html
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Comment #249 posted by whig on July 04, 2007 at 15:16:17 PT
Want fireworks?
Severe weather and a tornado warning prompted authorities to evacuate thousands of people gathered at the National Mall on Wednesday for a holiday concert and a fireworks show.Police asked tens of thousand of people to leave the mall and go into nearby buildings as the sky turned dark and winds picked up.
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Comment #248 posted by Had Enough on July 04, 2007 at 12:30:12 PT
$80 million in Al Capone’s Town
Police recover stolen truck carrying drugs after News 4 viewer tip12:17 PM CDT on Wednesday, July 4, 2007KMOV) - A stolen truck carrying tens of millions of dollars worth of prescription drugs was found in Illinois yesterday, thanks to a tip from a News 4 viewer.
Stolen from one gas station, found at another, near 70 and route 4 last night, hours after a news 4 viewer saw our story and nearly 2 1/2 weeks after the truck with prescription drugs with a street value of $80 million was stolen.
The truck was headed from a pharmaceutical company near San Diego to the Chicago area, and it was packed with more than 16-million pills of the generic form of the powerful pain killer vicodin.and…The drug company initially announced a $5,000 reward, no word yet this morning on if our viewer will be getting that and still no sign of the suspects. more…http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/kmov_localnews_070703_stolendrugs.3e3eda3d.html
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Comment #247 posted by FoM on June 30, 2007 at 05:47:06 PT
whig
I don't believe that people who are Republicans are bad people. I am only talking about the way the RP seems to be now.I was Catholic but I quit when I was 26 after I finally realized that they didn't have the answers.
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Comment #246 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:57:55 PT
Haha
They should be on double secret probation by now.
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Comment #245 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:56:57 PT
FoM
You could think of the Republican party like a fraternity.
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Comment #244 posted by whig on June 30, 2007 at 02:54:02 PT
FoM
I don't want to paint with a broad brush because there are good people who have always been Republicans their whole lives because that's how they were raised. It's just like being a Catholic or whatever else.
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Comment #243 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:51:17 PT
A Link About Fascism in America
I found this a long time ago on David Crosby's web site. I found it interesting and it seems this is how we are becoming particularly since this administration took power.http://crosbycpr.com/content/TOURS/2004/news_text/austinSermon.html
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Comment #242 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:37:37 PT
whig
I don't want to say this but I believe that the Republican Party is an extention of Hitler's Party or close to it in ideology. I saw a program where they had many german prisoners housed in the south during the war and they treated them very well because they said they looked like us. Many stayed here after the war. They just morphed into Republicans. Maybe I'm wrong but it made sense to me when I first started putting it together in my mind a while ago.
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Comment #241 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 20:13:47 PT
whig
I just got back on line after a satellite outage or I would have responded before this. I know that what I see in the Republican Party isn't anything that interests me at all. It's the total opposite of my values.
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Comment #240 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:58:38 PT
FoM
National Socialists were the party of Adolf Hitler, but they existed before him as a political party. Once he took it over it became identified with him and therefore it is not allowed in Germany at all. (They are different than America, there are some speech limits as well in Germany.)I think the people who have taken over the Republican party in America are hateful, warmongering, torturing, psychopathic criminals. I don't think any honorable members of that party can take their party back but even if they could its hard to clean the blood off the carpets and the furniture and the walls and it's better just to close it down and condemn it like we should do with Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
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Comment #239 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:51:24 PT
Whig
No one is interested in Ron Paul in the Republican Party. They think he is out in left field. I don't think he is out in left field. I don't believe what he believes but he is a good man. He is just a thorn to them. Republicans want to lock people up and throw away the key. They are all law and order and nothing more.
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Comment #238 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:45:48 PT
whig
What does a National Socialist believe? I don't think the Republicans will go away but they will be in a minority for quite a few years I hope and that will humble them and then maybe they wil be able to fix the party in time.
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Comment #237 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:43:27 PT
Republicans
I think there are honorable people in the Republican party, like Ron Paul for instance, whom I disagree with but that doesn't mean he is a bad person at all.I think they shouldn't be punished as a group, but the party should be ended and that means the people who were honorable can start their own or do something else.And anyone can disagree with me, of course, but I tell Republicans that want to save their party they should nominate Ron Paul or there will be nothing to stop the complete collapse.
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Comment #236 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:39:15 PT
FoM
I wouldn't say I am upset, but I am resolved. I want to fix things so that this doesn't ever happen again, and that means impeachment, trial, removal, disqualification, and where it goes from there is probably the Hague.Also, I don't think the Republican party should survive at all, any more than the National Socialists in Germany.
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Comment #235 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 15:31:11 PT
whig
I understand why you are upset. I am beyond upset with this administration. Soon the Republicans will be out of power and it might take a while to change the direction we have been going but at least I can see a little hope for the future.
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Comment #234 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 15:02:27 PT
FoM
I never know what someone else is going to do, they have free will and can do a lot of things. I only know that I should do and say what I think is right and not compromise for the sake of "winning" but in the process give false authority to murderers.Let me say more, the current administration was never elected.
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Comment #233 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 14:57:34 PT
whig
Do you really think that Bush and Cheney would go out without pulling something? I don't. I'm at the point where I don't want to wake a sleeping bear but you are young and have more spitfire then I do at this point in my life. I got fired up like you when I was your age but time changes that.
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Comment #232 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 14:51:24 PT
FoM
They need to be impeached because they are dangerous and it is the only way to end this war sooner than later.
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Comment #231 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 14:48:19 PT
whig
I thought of another reason that I think that impeachment at this time might not be wise from my point of view.If both of them were impeached that would put a Democrat in as President until elections. I don't know how that could help any Democrat that is running for president because it would seem like a political party is trying to take over another person's job and that's not right in most people's eyes. I say build evidence and bring them to trial for crimes against humanity after they are out of power. Hopefully more Democrats will get elected in 08 so they might be able to get something accomplished in a new presidency.
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Comment #230 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 12:39:43 PT
whig
I understand that you want them impeached and that's sure if fine but who cares if Obama cares? I would be happy if they are brought them to justice after they are out of power rather then waste time trying to get them impeached with so much happening right now. That's just my opinion and it doesn't mean anything.
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Comment #229 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 12:26:55 PT
FoM
I think they need to be impeached.
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Comment #228 posted by FoM on June 29, 2007 at 12:01:00 PT
whig
Why does it matter about what Obama thinks since most people here are not interested in Obama? I think it is really about too late to bother with Impeachment. They soon will be out of office. What I hope is that they will be held accountable in years to come.
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Comment #227 posted by whig on June 29, 2007 at 11:24:42 PT
Obama is against impeachment
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm
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Comment #226 posted by FoM on June 28, 2007 at 18:03:49 PT
Correction
Michael Moore will be on Larry King on Friday. Sorry about that.
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Comment #225 posted by FoM on June 28, 2007 at 16:04:12 PT
Heads Up: Michael Moore on Larry King Tonight
I thought some here might want to see it too.
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Comment #224 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 12:34:28 PT
Whig
I can only imagine. :0)Literally.
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Comment #223 posted by whig on June 27, 2007 at 12:32:37 PT
Hope
A little hash oil, some honey and hot water makes a nice beverage too. Good for the digestion.
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Comment #222 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 10:58:38 PT
Toker
He must be boiling over from all he's wanted to say and couldn't.He'll have lots of 'splaining to do about what's happened to his computer system...and lots of pent up rants.Stand back. Give the man space! Gladly. :0)Come on home, Toker00! We miss you.
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Comment #221 posted by FoM on June 27, 2007 at 10:51:16 PT
Toker00
I received another e-mail from Toker00 this morning. He is scheduled for next friday not this friday he found out. So it will be over another week until he gets back. I bet he will have a lot to say when he can.
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Comment #220 posted by Hope on June 27, 2007 at 10:46:10 PT
Meant to post this days ago
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n742/a07.html?397NEW MERIT SEEN IN CANNABIS REMEDY
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Comment #219 posted by Hope on June 26, 2007 at 23:34:18 PT
212 Toker00
It'll be good to hear from him.
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Comment #218 posted by Hope on June 26, 2007 at 23:28:25 PT
Afterburner
Thanks! Bookmarked it. Don't know when I'll get to listen. But I've got it bookmarked if I get a chance. Six to seven, weekday evenings. Got it.
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Comment #217 posted by afterburner on June 26, 2007 at 17:12:41 PT
Hope #209
If you liked that walk through early rock 'n' roll history, try tuning in to 1050 CHUM AM Listen Live, weekdays from 6:00 PM to 7:00 PM Texas Time to hear a daily hour of "The Evolution of Rock." Today was 1962, from the Twist to Motown to Surf music.
http://www.1050chum.com/index_listenlive.aspx#1050 CHUM - Home
http://www.1050chum.com/
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Comment #216 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 16:34:38 PT
Heads Up: Larry King Tonight
Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Yoko Ono and Olivia Harrison will be on tonight.http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/beatles/
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Comment #215 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 10:45:20 PT
Museman and Had Enough
Toker00 said that he was getting digital cable on Friday and I assume that means he will have a high speed connection then instead of an isp. I might not like the FAP of Hughesnet but since they changed to this policy I have had great speeds. I wish we had cable in this area. That day will never come. We live so far out they have to pump us sunshine! LOL!
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Comment #214 posted by Had Enough on June 26, 2007 at 10:26:28 PT
Toker00
Cool!!!
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Comment #213 posted by museman on June 26, 2007 at 10:06:30 PT
FoM
Cool!
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Comment #212 posted by FoM on June 26, 2007 at 09:46:04 PT
Update on Toker00
I just received an e-mail from Toker00 and he should be back on Friday. He misses us and Cnews and I thought you'd like to know.
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Comment #211 posted by Had Enough on June 25, 2007 at 06:07:18 PT
Paint Jam...
with Ray Charles... watch the whole thinghttp://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=OIJtKxdRQzY
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Comment #210 posted by afterburner on June 25, 2007 at 00:55:01 PT
Monterey: It Was Forty Years Ago...
Monterey Song Lyrics
THE ANIMALS
http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/174400.htmlMonterey Track #12 4:15
Eric Burdon & The Animals
(Burdon, Weider, Jenkins, McCulloch, Briggs)
Album- The Best Of Eric Burdon And The Animals,
Original release A side December 1967 Polygram
Note: Song ref: Monterey Pop Festival June 16-18 1967,
For a good Live Performance audio: refer to Rhino 4 Disc CD - Various Artists
'The Monterey International Pop Festival'
Transcriber: Awcantor aol.com (Anita W. Cantor){The people came and listened
Some of them came and played
Others gave flowers away
Yes they did yeah!
Down in Monterey
Down in MontereyYoung gods smiled upon the crowd
Their music being born of love
Children danced night and day
Religion was being born
Down in MontereyThe Byrds and the Airplane
Did fly
Oh, Ravi Shankar's
Music made me cryThe Who exploded
Into fired light (yeah)
Hugh Masekelas music
Was black as nightThe Grateful Dead
Blew everybody's mind
Jimi Hendrix, baby
Believe me
Set the world on fire, yeah!His majesty
Brian Jones smiled as he
Moved among the crowd
Ten thousand electric guitars
Were groovin' real loud, yeahIf you wanna find the truth in life
Don't pass music by
And you know
I would not lie
No, I would not lie
No, I would not lie
Down in MontereyHu! huh-huh!Alright! Three days of understanding
Of moving with one another
Even the cops grooved with us
Do you believe me?
Yeah!Down in Monterey
Down in Monterey, yeah
Down in Monterey
Down in Monterey, yeahI think that maybe I'm dreamin'!Monterey!Monterey-yeah!Down in MontereyDid you hear what I said?Down in MontereyThat some music Monterey
FADES-
I said
Monterey, Monterey, Monterey
Yeah-yeah, hey-hey-hey
A-ay, a-ay, a-ay-a-ay} The Ojays - Love Train [video clip]
http://www.clinko.com/music/The_OJays/Love_Train/
"People all over the world (everybody)
Join hands (join)
Start a love train, love train..."
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Comment #209 posted by Hope on June 24, 2007 at 18:09:03 PT
Afterburner, comment 199
Gracious! That was a trip through the years! Thank you.
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Comment #208 posted by FoM on June 24, 2007 at 17:30:19 PT
Pegi Young's First Concert
I thought some might want to see and hear her very first concert performance. It's a nice song. Neil plays in the background. She did a good job. http://www.thrasherswheat.org/wheatfield.html
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Comment #207 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 21:37:40 PT
afterburner
I really like that song.
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Comment #206 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 21:31:43 PT
afterburner
I really liked Spin and Marty because it was about young people learning to get along with other young people. It was about trying to find a common ground. It also made them look at how they thought.
That is sad about the accidents. Young people are so full of themselves that an outlet is really important. The children I worked with were very tired after working with the horses. They just wanted to go home when they were done. They burned off the extra energy and that's good.
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Comment #205 posted by afterburner on June 20, 2007 at 21:25:46 PT
FoM #202
"Oh well a touch of gray, kinda suits you anyway,
That's all I had to say, but it's alright
I will get by, I will get by, I will get by, I will survive."Every silver linings got a touch of grey"Grateful Dead - Touch Of Grey Lyrics
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Grateful-Dead/Touch-Of-Grey.html
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Comment #204 posted by afterburner on June 20, 2007 at 21:16:55 PT
Spin and Marty: I remember them. What fun!
The problem today is that many youth know only the city. They don't know the joys of God's country. They know only city life.We've had two very bad accidents in the Toronto area, perhaps caused by street racing. Hwy 400 To Re-Open After Serious Crash, Two Charged.
CityNews, Canada - Jun 17, 2007
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_12072.aspx
Excerpt: {
A multi-car crash on Highway 400 sent 11 people, including a four-year-old, to hospital on Saturday. As a result, the 400 was closed for up to 18 hours in both directions between highways 88 and 89. To the relief of many motorists all lanes are open again. It was around 6:30pm when a Honda Civic traveling southbound at a high speed lost control and began to roll striking a Volkswagen Golf. Then a Cadillac and an SUV swerved to avoid the collision, but both hit a guardrail and ended-up crossing into the northbound lanes. The crash tore-up about 50 metres of the guardrail and crews worked all night to make repairs and clean-up the debris.
}Hero trucker left big family by
Curtis Rush 2007/06/19 "The truck driver who died a hero Monday when he steered his big rig away from the highway after being cut off by street racers had no personal insurance. He leaves a wife and large family behind."
http://www.thestar.com/article/227126'We will crush your car,' Bryant warns racers.
Robert Benzie, Jun. 20, 2007 "Likening speed shops that make street-racers to illegal drug labs and bomb factories, Attorney General Michael Bryant is warning the cars could be seized before they even hit the roads."
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/227464While I don't condone street racing or careless driving, it concerns me that many politicians can only react with punitive solutions like mandatory minimums and crushing cars. A young person I work with suggested that there should be somewhere dedicated to youth racing. I remember the stock car race tracks of the 60s and 70s. Young people need a supervised venue to release their adventurous yearning without endangering innocent motorists and families.
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Comment #203 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 08:36:54 PT
afterburner
I loved those shows to but they weren't real. My Dad was cool but he wasn't Robert Young. Because I loved horses Spin and Marty was one of my favorites.
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Comment #202 posted by FoM on June 20, 2007 at 08:28:20 PT
afterburner
I am listening to the Traveling Wilbury's and was thinking about our visit last summer and how much fun we had. I was thinking about how you heard the grease or whatever it was that splattered on the floor because it is so quiet out here and it made me smile. I've gotten grayer over this last year! LOL!End of Line:Enjoy.Well it's all right, even if you're old and grayWell it's all right, you still got something to sayWell it's all right, remember to live and let liveWell it's all right, best you can do is forgiveWell it's all right, riding around in the breezeWell it's all right, if you live the life you pleaseWell it's all right, even if the sun don't shineWell it's all right, we're going to the end of the linehttp://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/endofthe.htm
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Comment #201 posted by afterburner on June 19, 2007 at 21:43:06 PT
FoM RE Annette
I enjoyed Mickey Mouse Club, Beach Party and even Leave It to Beaver, My Three Sons and Father Knows Best as a child. However, I learned that these simplistic respresentations were also diversions papering over hard problems for others in America. As Undercover Brother said in the movie of the same name,"Caucasian overload!"There's No Place Like America Today/Give Get Take Have by
Curtis Mayfield [ironic image]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00000IBEH/ref=dp_image_text_0/002-0040270-0635257?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=musicThere's No Place Like America Today/Give Get Take Have by
Curtis Mayfield
[album details]
http://www.amazon.com/Theres-Place-Like-America-Today/dp/B00000IBEH/ref=m_art_li_13/002-0040270-0635257
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Comment #200 posted by FoM on June 19, 2007 at 21:18:14 PT
afterburner
It is ironic that you mentioned Annette Funicello. I honestly was thinking about her the other day. She made me smile when I was just a little child.
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Comment #199 posted by afterburner on June 19, 2007 at 21:04:28 PT
FoM & museman: The 60s Begin with JFK's Optimism
The cycle of recording industry manipulation then and now repeating:After Elvis Presley had served in the military in Germany, Alan Freed resigned, Little Richard retired to the gospel church, and "The Music Died" (the plane crash of Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper & Ritchie Valens), "Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry [were] dragged down by scandal," and the Payola Investigation started, radio stations increasingly
played it safe by avoiding the more controversial rock lyrics and singers. The Evolution of Rock - Hour 14 - Part 1
Brenda Lee, one of two white women rock singers scored with "Sweet Nothings." She "helped put the skids on the plunging quality of rock 'n' roll," with the help of the Everly Brothers' "Cathy's Clown," "another plug in the rock dam leaking now so badly with insipidness that many fans, who had grown up with it, felt that they had simply outgrown it. They turned away and lent their full support to folk music, The Kingston Trio, Highwaymen, The Limelighters."
Roy Obison also hit it big with "Only the Lonely." The Evolution of Rock - Hour 15 - Part 1Avoiding the damage of the payola investigations, Philadelphia's Dick Clark's American Bandstand came out "clean" with the "record industry route of formula rock" with "picture perfect heroes such as Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell and Fabian". "The Dick Clark lineup of 1960 was more or less a conveyor belt system of Elvis Presley look-alikes, but not sound-alikes." "Rock had reached rock bottom." The Evolution of Rock - Hour 16 - Part 1"Wild One" Bobby RydellCheck out the lyrics:"Oh wild one I’m-a gonna tame you down (tame you down)
Ah, wild one I’ll get you yet (yeah yeah) you bet (yeah yeah)
You little doll all you do is play, you’ve got a new baby ev’ry day
But some day it’s gonna be me, me and only me."Oh oh oh oh wild one I’ll make you settle down (settle down)
Ah wild one I’ll clippa your wings (yeah yeah) and them things (yeah yeah)
You got the lips that I’m mad about
I got the lips that’ll knock you out
C’mon wild one be wild about me."Complete lyrics
http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/english/bobby_rydell/summer.htm#wildBrook Benton and Dinah Washington (soul singers) put "a bit of the good old sound back into 1960" with "Baby You've Got What It Takes."
Ray Charles also brought his first number one single to the music world with the slow soulful ballad "Georgia on my Mind."
The Evolution of Rock - Hour 16 - Part 2Flash forward to the current era with ABC, the network that presented Dick Clark's American Bandstand, now owned by Walt Disney and featuring the likes of Pop tart princess Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, like Annette Funicello, who starred in Beach Party with Frankie Avalon, former Mickey Mouseketeers. The record industry once again playing it safe by suppressing the true voice of youth by promoting posers as youth role models.However, classic rock is making a comeback with both cover tunes by today's young artists and new material from the older classic bands.Britney Spears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_SpearsAnnette Funicello - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_FunicelloInspired by "The Evolution of Rock"
1050 CHUM: The Greatest Rock 'n Roll Oldies
http://ondemand.streamtheworld.com/1050chum/
{ This CHUM-produced 64-hour music documentary won the prestigious Billboard Magazine award for "Best Radio Documentary" in the world. }
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Comment #198 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 13:54:36 PT
museman
I don't believe there is anything new under the sun. I believe it goes round and round. It's like a cycle. The circle being unbroken type thing. The spirit of the 60s never died people just went off into their own dreams that became important to them because of what happened in the 60s. Law and order was ushered in with Nixon and then Reagan. They were Republicans and most people interested in the 60s movement wouldn't have ever been a Republican. They'd be nothing politically before being a Republican I think. Greed is showing how bad it is and young people are seeing it. Now it's time to swing back to good ideals. There is a time for every season under the sun.
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Comment #197 posted by museman on June 18, 2007 at 13:23:39 PT
music and movement
Imagine a gathering of children, not helpless infants, but children none the less, who discover themselves in a wonderful colorful garden of flowering possibilities. Their smiles and intentions were about sharing everything, the music, the dancing, the affection, and the flowers.Visualize joy. Then visualize uniforms and armor trampling through the flower beds, yanking the young men away from their beautiful sisters to go be a wall of flesh to protect the conquering generals from incoming destruction. The smiles quickly fade, and innocence is replaced with grim resolve to stop that war that was taking away the joy.Songs sprang up reflecting the heart of the children, as a plea to the world to see the futility of their woeful actions, but acting with political empowerment, and the temptation of gold, 'enterpeneurs' interacted, and binding contracts were given to most of the musical champions, which dictated the content of their music. The champions were taken out of the midst of the children, and placed in luxury, and bacchanalian opulence - as long as they conformed to the terms of their contracts.To ensure that the more energetic, and potentially effective musical warriors would not rise above the bondage of their contracts, addiction to opiates and alcohol was introduced that eventually destroyed the purity, and credibility of their positions as generational leaders. Within a mere handful of years, before the children had even much of a chance to reach 'adulthood' the flowers were dead and gone. The garden became a shopping mall. Those who had gone to war came back with broken hearts and sunken souls, and those who had risen to economic heights on the heart and intents of a childlike way, had become role models for debauchery and excess.The brief moment of joy was buried in the omnipresent pouring out of pain and misery created as an absence of substance, power, and access to resource, that had been hastily ripped from their innocent grasp. The movement and cry of 'Peace, Love and Understanding' became a source of mockery for the ruling factions, and the postulation of greed and selfserving activity became the prevailing doctrine. Those who desperately attempted to keep the flowers, and the joy alive were forced into eventual compromise, their natural access to a creation given freely by God, changed into bondage and slavery, resulting in social ostracizm, criminalization and imprisonment for daring to use nature anyway. The truth about everything was buried in a landslide of self satisfaction.And the music died. Not the form and sound of it, but the Spirit of it that fueled the movement of the children in the flower garden. Movies were made, and novels written. The children were no longer playing in the garden, but laboring in the field while the Roman conquerors laughed and planned how to trick the next generation.What we have now, 40 years after one generation flashed in the pan of possibility, and then was tossed into the fire of a corrupt society, is a repetition of the ruse, a re-ocurrence of the conquest of a generation. The clothes of the emporer have become simply and undeniably transparent to those who have their own minds. The setup of rule and dominance continues unabated.Yet there is one more generation. One that is only now beginning to walk, and speak. The questions that must be answered have not yet been asked by this generation. What are we going to tell them went they want a flower garden, when they know they are supposed to be in that garden to find and experience their joy? Are we going to tell them about how lovely the kings robes are this year? Speak of Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny?
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Comment #196 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 11:41:43 PT
Hope
Because of the bandwidth issue I only made sure it started and stopped it. The sound and video quality on the CDs and DVD are great. I remember when those great musicians got together and did these songs. It wasn't but a short time until Roy Orbison died of a heart attack. I am so glad George Harrison's wife Olivia released this gem. George looked healthy and happy. That's all we can really hope for. Bob Dylan was having fun too. They all were. That's the kind of music I want in Heaven! LOL!
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Comment #195 posted by Hope on June 18, 2007 at 11:32:26 PT
:0)
Sounds wonderful.
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Comment #194 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 11:11:15 PT
The Traveling Wilburys: The End of The Line
I am not sure if this is the one that is on the new release of the Traveling Wilburys but I am sure it's good. I love this new CD-DVD.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOv6_sTioXA
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Comment #193 posted by FoM on June 18, 2007 at 07:11:25 PT
Scott McKensie Talks about The Summer of Love
The Summer of '67's Most Famous Songhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-summeroflove-special,0,750173.special
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Comment #192 posted by FoM on June 17, 2007 at 16:09:36 PT
Back to a Garden Where More Than Jams Flower
June 18, 2007MANCHESTER, Tenn., June 17 — Each year the Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival insists it’s not just a hippie jam-band festival. This year two of Bonnaroo’s three headliners came from way off the jam-band circuit — Tool on Friday night and the Police on Saturday. Other performers on the three-and-a-half-day schedule spanned British rock, Canadian pop, soul, bluegrass, reggae, jazz and alternative hip-hop along with jam-band stalwarts like Sunday’s finale headliner, Widespread Panic. But when the sold-out audience of 80,000 arrived, the sixth annual Bonnaroo stayed hippie. Tie-dye, long hair, peasant dresses and flowers were everywhere amid the organic food stands and recycling displays. So were smiling faces, pot smoke and the willingness to dance to anything with a beat.Complete Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/arts/music/18bonn.htm
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Comment #191 posted by FoM on June 16, 2007 at 13:42:12 PT
museman
I understand what you are saying. I believe our values are worth looking at closely. I do that. I find that if I check myself before I do something I generally try to follow my checked thoughts rather then my first thoughts. I hope this makes sense. I can then do my best to not do something that will come back to bother me. That is being wealthy to me if we follow our heart. Money is a means to an end for really our comfort and that's all. PS: We got The Traveling Wilbury's today and we have been totally enjoying the documentary, songs and videos. I guess I believe in magic not wealth. I believe somethings are meant to happen. I believe that after watching the Traveling Wilburys. That dazzles me and only cost about $19 to boot! All I can think to say right now is God is Good.
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Comment #190 posted by museman on June 16, 2007 at 12:44:38 PT
Hope #187
He was sentenced to 2 years.
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Comment #189 posted by museman on June 16, 2007 at 12:36:12 PT
FoM
We are limited by our definitions of terms sometimes, and must rely on the desire of the reciever of information to be willing to understand the intent. There is true 'wealth' (in terms that I relate to and understand) that cannot be measured by any instrument or scale, that is as you say 'inside.' All other estimations of 'wealth' are false, or at least shallow and finite, mere 'things' that cannot accompany us where we are going. Foolish worship of objects and artifacts by itself alone, without the world consuming power that has been given the select few in the top of the weights and measures pyramid, is to be pitied, but when it becomes the false image, the false authority, and the false blind guide, BY FORCE, that the whole world must bow before, that 'wealth' is deserving of all the scorn and rejection that can be mustered.The lines are hazy, blurred, but that is intentional. YSHWH gave us the answer. When HE said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto YHWH that which is HIS." He wasn't giving an excuse for posession and wealth, He was giving us a comparative description of real value, versus false value. The choice is ours, but my choice, or yours is not to be shoved down anyones throat, by design OR EFFECT. When the false esteem of a few becomes the forced, and enforced way, and our choices become irrelevant in the face of such horrendous power, then those who worhip false values have 'stepped over the line.'Since most of the world believes that 'wealth' is all about materiality, the term is used most often to describe and reflect that materialistic perspective. That perspective is in error, or at least exremely out of balance with the true nature of things.True wealth is without measure. If it must be weighed, and given quantitative values, you may rest assured that the substance of it's 'value' is based on invention, and artifice that serves only those who serve it- this is error and abomination.
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Comment #188 posted by afterburner on June 15, 2007 at 21:41:32 PT
Terrible News re runruff, Duplicitous Bureaucrats
CN ON: Column: We Can Score One For The Naysayers, Ottawa Citizen, (15 Jun 2007) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v07/n720/a03.html?176
{ It's tempting to write all this off as bureaucratic game-playing, but it's much more than that. The world -- and that includes you, the Canadian taxpayer -- spends tens of billions of dollars every year trying to stamp out the illicit-drug trade. With that kind of money, we could do any number of things -- such as bringing AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria under control -- that would save millions and millions of lives. Is the global fight against drugs the best way to spend that cash? The answer has to be no. What good does it do us? The prohibition of drugs has enriched the world's gangsters, guerrillas and terrorists -- with results that can be seen from the deserts of Afghanistan to the streets of Toronto -- while bringing us not one step closer to the fantasy of a "drug-free world." }We pray for you brother, for healing and peace.
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Comment #187 posted by Hope on June 15, 2007 at 18:21:09 PT
What in the world was his sentence?
I thought it was supposed to be over with after he served his time and paid their outrageous price.
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Comment #186 posted by FoM on June 15, 2007 at 12:54:52 PT
Wealth
What actually is being wealthy? I don't know where to draw the line. I could say anyone that has more money then me is wealthy but that wouldn't be right. I judge my wealth differently then most people and it is not measured by money. I am very wealthy inside.
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Comment #185 posted by museman on June 15, 2007 at 11:07:50 PT
Hope
Even when they finally let him go home, he will still be on parole. They won't let him use his medical status for the herb, and he might have to wear an ankle bracelet. He will have to make monthly patments for the 'privilege' of seeing various government do-nothings, and pissing in a cup.Technically, he won't be able to have visits from 'known felons' like me. If the morons that run the local injustice system can, they will find a way to send him back.Does anyone realize that every single one of the political shams called politicians upholds and endorses this system? That a vote for anyone of them is a vote for the continuation of the same old crap? Amercans have some serious soul searching to get done, and get done in a hurry. The current popularity contest referred to as 'politics' is just as orchestrated as every other 'dog' wagged by our illegal, unconstitutional government.I try not to hate, but there are just too many hateful people in positions of power, and they all meet regularly in their various opulent club-houses scattered all over the globe. And they are all very rich. I HATE WEALTH, because it is the resource of inequity, and the foundation of the dominant society. It is the system of belief and yes, worship, that corrupts all of life on planet earth. It has NO REDEEMING qualities, and when justice comes, those who invested their life, time and hearts into it will not be redeemed either. That fact abates my hatred somewhat for the poor idiots who have to face their crimes -the ones that they claim various rights, like 'inheritance' class distinction, breeding, and superiority. The fact that they WILL GET THEIRS, or rather that they already got theirs, and will get no more, and actually will have their false wealth and power taken away, helps me deal with their present abhorrent existence. In the meantime freedom and liberty hang in the balance. Cannabis prohibition is their Waterloo, so everybody hang on. The boat is sinking, don't get on board, and don't linger in the lounge.One day a 'hippy' will rule the world with love, peace, and long hair.
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Comment #184 posted by Hope on June 15, 2007 at 09:53:54 PT
Runruff.
Oh no. Oh no.How can they do this.They "beat" him unjustly...and now they are going to "beat" him more than the contracted amount they said they would beat him...and then cease?I'm sick. Just sick.
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Comment #183 posted by FoM on June 15, 2007 at 09:43:12 PT
museman
That is one more terrible wrong for Jerry and Linda. So close and yet so far away. I hate few things but I hate the war on marijuana.
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Comment #182 posted by museman on June 15, 2007 at 09:37:20 PT
disappointing news about runruff
Because of beaurocratic 'paperwork' Jerry will not be released in August, but might be released a month later.I'm steamed.
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Comment #181 posted by FoM on June 14, 2007 at 08:18:49 PT
Hope
What he said was he found out that people really don't know what is going on and they think everything is fine. I know if I try to talk to someone about what is going on and they aren't into news and don't have the Internet the only complaint is gas prices.
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Comment #180 posted by Hope on June 14, 2007 at 08:16:19 PT
Oh my gosh!
I can imagine that it wouldn't take me long to condense down what I learned without having the Internet!Unless someone I knew kept me up with what was going on...because they were on the Internet.
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Comment #179 posted by FoM on June 14, 2007 at 07:59:31 PT
Had Enough
You're welcome. When he gets back he wants to tell us what he learned while not having the Internet.
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Comment #178 posted by Hope on June 14, 2007 at 07:19:07 PT
Been missing Toker...
Will be glad to see him back online.Had Enough, just saw your comment 173.That's a funny, sweet story about Shadow and the steaks.The black shepherd my daughter had was a kitchen counter guard, too. She was just the right height to survey the counters and stove regularly, nose a twitching. We didn't lose any steaks...but she "changed the menu" several times.I'd never seen those panther like moves in a dog before. It was amazing and a little disconcerting. Had Enough, I hope you and your new dog have a long, long good relationship.
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Comment #177 posted by Had Enough on June 14, 2007 at 05:59:50 PT
Toker00
Thanks FoM.I was wondering about him.
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Comment #176 posted by FoM on June 11, 2007 at 21:12:02 PT
Had Enough
I wanted to let you know that I got an e-mail back from Toker00. He has had computer problems but will be back soon.
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Comment #175 posted by FoM on June 09, 2007 at 21:03:03 PT
Had Enough
We watched the race today. It's really hard for a filly to be as fast as a colt and today Rags to Riches was. Go ladies! LOL! Had to say that! We watched a movie called Ruffian. I remember when she broke her leg. She was really fast and the sad part of racing young horses is their bones haven't set up and they can snap so easily. The movie was good but sad. I would like to see the HBO movie Barbaro too.As far as the dog what came out of it was the owners had to kennel the dog and get him away from the entrance. Dogs are or were given a three bites and you're out back then so I don't know how they did with him. I have been thinking about where Toker00 could be. I'll send him an email tomorrow and I know he'll answer if he has gotten his computer fixed.
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Comment #174 posted by Had Enough on June 09, 2007 at 20:22:42 PT
A Horse is a Horse of Course...
except this one...Girl powerRags to Riches wins the Belmont Stakes -- the first filly to win the race in more than a century.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/09/belmont.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
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Comment #173 posted by Had Enough on June 09, 2007 at 12:13:19 PT
Dogs
Hope. I’m afraid that shepherd that you and your daughter took in was ruined way before you got her. Too bad. I’m sure if that dog was salvageable, you have the know-how and patience to deal with it.The Panther like moves you described. Shadow did that too. The new puppy is doing it too. Very silent and sleek, all black, very hard to be seen at night.FoM. About that dog that bit your son. I agree with Hope. Even if it was trained to be a guard dog, it still should not attack a child in the way it did. Whoever trained that dog for it’s duties should never have a dog like that, and should have the skill to tell if a dog they are training will attack unprovoked, especially with kids. He should be bitten by him. That would serve some justice maybe.Shepherds are very versatile dogs. Besides being companions and show dogs they can herd, track, guard & bodyguard, cadaver hunt, explosive hunt, and yes, sniff out pot too.The deal is that they can do this all at the same time, but they must bond with someone, no matter what. If not these dogs will be dangerous. It seems they have different respect for humans if they do not bond.Cop dogs are bonded with the cop they are with. They are together as part of the family.In Viet Nam our solders would use these dogs out on patrol. They could sniff out, track, and spot the Viet Cong long before any man could do this. Many of the guys going out on patrol wanted these shepherds with them. They saved many American lives. Now we are not warmongers here, but if I had to go off to war, I’d like to be in accompaniment of one of those fine dogs.These dogs were assigned to a handler that bonded with him, once again that is the key. They were so effective; the Viet Cong had a special bounty on them. They would be rewarded if they could kill the dog handler, or if they could kill the dog. They cut off its ear for proof of the kill.When we left Viet Nam the dog handlers were ordered to leave the dogs behind, they were not allowed to bring them home. I can just imagine what happened to those abandoned dogs, especially the black ones.museman… I saw a post a while back about you not being a dog person. It was about the dog that you let watch a steak cook. They’ll watch food all right.It reminded me of something that happened here when we first got Shadow/Eby about 12 yrs ago.The dog was here about 2 days. Bride had some steaks thawing out on the stove as normal procedure. Well they just disappeared. Bride thought I did something with them, and I thought she did something with them. A few minutes later I saw the empty packages out back. She had eaten them and was clear of the scene of the crime. About a week later I looked out the kitchen window, and there she was, chomping down frozen raw meat. My supper!!! By the time I got out there, once again she was nowhere near the crime scene. Now about another week or so after that I caught her red handed stealing frozen meat off the stove. She ran outside and started doing her thing. I caught up with her and smacked her on the rump with my hand and was proceeding to scold her. As soon as my hand hit her rump it stopped like you hit a fur coated wall, my first thought was, this isn’t going to work, it didn’t phase her at all, at that precise time she turned and looked at me with the look on her face like “What did you do that for?” I paused in awe for a few seconds, then I told her that she couldn’t steal food from the stove, petted her, took the meat away from her, and she never did that again. That was the fist and last time I ever smacked her. She would occasionally get a thump on the nose though. She would always listen to me (except while chasing cats, she never harmed them just chased them), and I would use tone of voice, eye contact and body language with her for the remaining 12 yrs of her life. PricelessI’ve had about a dozen dogs or so. But that dog and I shared a very special & unique relationship that I never quite had with a dog before. I truly miss her.museman, if you ever get a chance to do the dog thing, go for it, you will not regret it if it works, neither will the dog. They have a special way of keeping you in touch with reality, and seeing the real deal. You end up with more respect for the Great Spirit. It will show in your music and writings, and even how you conduct yourself sometimes :)Now I’m not saying to you to go out and get a dog, just saying if that opportunity arrives, do it, you will know if its right or not. You will see inspiration in a special way.FoM. Any word on Toker00?I agree with Toker – Dogs, people should be more like them.
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Comment #172 posted by FoM on June 07, 2007 at 13:14:49 PT
Off Topic: Traveling Wilburys
I was just thinking the other day how much I was hoping someday that they would release The Traveling Wilburys on DVD and now they are! This is so cool!Traveling Wilburys (2CD/1DVD, Deluxe Edition) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OYC1J0/ref=pe_pe_16210_5931760_as_txt_6
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Comment #171 posted by Hope on June 03, 2007 at 10:45:33 PT
Comment 156
Bob Dylan. Blowin in the Wind.When I hear that song, I always think he was referring to the scent of cannabis....Blowin in the Wind. "The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind. The answer is blowin in the wind."
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Comment #170 posted by FoM on June 03, 2007 at 06:58:32 PT
Just a Note
I don't think Sojourners is sponsoring the debate tonight but one tomorrow. Sorry about that. I hope they air the debate tomorrow too.http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=news.display_article&mode=M&NewsID=5878
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Comment #169 posted by FoM on June 03, 2007 at 06:53:43 PT
Museman and Anyone Interested
The Democratic Debate is sponsored by Sojourners. I am looking forward to the debate tonight."Pete Seeger: The Power of Song" clip/interview Jim Brownhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8VRd6gldQhttp://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=action.P07&item=pentecost07_candidates_forumSojourners/Call to Renewalhttp://www.sojo.net/
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Comment #168 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 17:51:46 PT
museman
I found these videos on the Rust List. I thought they were funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsYR_iTGjZ4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEYKvoirtUwSome short but funny clips of Neil talking about his car collection at the ranch.
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Comment #167 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 12:20:32 PT
museman
Even though I have not been exposed to the Hopi Indians I see the same things in the Scriptures. It is all connected to me.
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Comment #166 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 11:49:23 PT
FoM
More information on Grandfather David.I believe he also is remembered having used the basic same quote, with "The People of Peace."
GrandFather David and the Rainbow Warriors
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Comment #165 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 11:23:10 PT
FoM
GrandFather David, who was a very Sacred Holy Man, not only to the Hopi, but to the Rainbow Tribes said this;"There is a reason that 'Hopi' and 'Hippie' sound, and feel so similar, it is because they both mean the same thing; "Human Beings."
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Comment #164 posted by FoM on June 02, 2007 at 11:10:51 PT
museman
I have never looked like a hippie but I have a tie dyed heart. I hope that counts.
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Comment #163 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 10:35:03 PT
and I just thought I'd add...
"Those of us who are still 'hippies' are still right."
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Comment #162 posted by museman on June 02, 2007 at 10:27:41 PT
Had Enough
Thanks for the info. I have a friend who can really use it.I am not, a 'dog person.' It has taken me years to understand the 'beingness' of some animals, and dogs especially. I have not had a dog relationship since I was a kid. Unfortunately the way that so many abuse their animals, and the practical back-yard-imprisonment that so many inflict on their dogs - as well as the various stupid-human actions (like dressing up their dogs, making them out to be something other than dog) really bothers me.The purist attitude, if delved into is revealed as a belief that is rooted in fear, and a veritable fortress of denial is built around it, albeit created in an image of 'righteousness' and 'religious piety.'It's the same spirit that manifests as greed, prejudice, and the false esteem of wealth and property, which as it is currently empowered by wholesale ignorance gives us war, suffering, poverty, disease (of the whole life body -including the earth and all other life, not just humans,) and death.The idea of 'superior breeding' of dogs and men, though somewhere in the deep dark past (that I am unaware of -other than anthropological assumptions of 'evolution') may have had some logical reason, today it is just an excuse for maintaining great error and imbalance in the world.If it were possible to 'breed' goodness and mercy into man (or animal), and to create some kind of 'genetic guarantee' of 'betterness' then I dare say some more substantial evidence than actually exists would have manifested itself before now. There are two basic polar philosophies, which are the foundations for all that man strives for and prepetuates; The belief that 'all men are created equal in the sight of YHWH,' that man is inherently 'good' and only becomes corrupt as they interface with the corrupted world, and the inverse belief that all men are created unequal, and are inherently evil or 'born in sin.'It is notable that the second opinion is consistently upheld by the rich and powerful, the kings, princes, and politicians to the point of force, while the first is held by sharing, forgiving, loving people who are not rich and powerful, who would think more of how to liberate the bound and imprisoned, instead of thinking of more ways to bind and imprison.The credentials are established. Those in the world who know somewhere in their 'heart of hearts' that their esteem of material posession, -false authority, and false power that is all too obvious to those who do not belong to the exclusive club, or are laboring with futility to be 'accepted' into the club- is error of great import, spend great amounts of (mostly other-people's) energy attempting to cover up reality so as to make their error look correct, and so we have the world we have today; a host of lies and falsehoods dressed up to look like the truth."Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."Shalom Shabbat
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Comment #161 posted by Had Enough on June 01, 2007 at 16:00:15 PT
Hey museman...
...glad to see you caught this thread.I ran across something interesting, thought I’d share it.Check out this stuff in comment #110.It appears racism has even infiltrated dog breeding too.This is from the AKC website German Shepherd Dog Breed Standard:Herding Group:Color:The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfmIf you have time check this guy out. He likes those Pure White German Shepherds & White Timber Wolf Hybrids the purists tried to kill off.Besides the info in #110, here is another part of what is on his site.In the year 2001, my HMO primary care doctor in Orlando, Florida told me that I had at most three to six months to live because I had all the following illnesses, plus Hepatitis C: (Humana medical records available to prove it.)
[21 illnesses are listed]and…I have since then cured all my medical problems and years later feel great and happy to feel vibrant again. The HMO doctor assured me that he could not keep me alive because of all my complications. I wanted to live and got serious about my health. I told my family that I had only six months to live, while I cried in front of them as I told them to prepare for my death just in case I failed to cure myself. Remember, I am Latin and have that excuse for being emotional about my life and death. I started to learn more than I already knew, I invented my own diet that I call "The Proactive Health Recovery Diet". Since that date I have cured my own Hepatitis C, also the friend of my ex-wife of Hepatitis C, my son of leukemia, a friend of diabetes, my ex-wife of acid reflux, and many more other people of lesser illnesses. I just refused to die or let them die or suffer too!I finally found the true causes of most human and animal illnesses. My "symptom curing" doctors swore that they could not even cure the lesser illnesses that I had, much less the terminal illness that was going to end it all.It was easier than I thought once you stop curing symptoms, and discovered that symptom doctors have been lying to us for decades for the love of money and fame (God Complex). I loved my family and friends and found the discipline to do it.With the experience of my fight to keep alive, I acquired a lot of knowledge about what I call "Symptom doctors" and doctors that address the true cause of illness called "Alternative medicine Doctors", I also started a diet plan that I use for my dogs, wolf-dogs and puppies. Because I am not a doctor I am limited to what I can do for you. But I do recommend that you feed your dogs the Natural way with the Alkaline Acid diet that I tell you about. On the Internet, this amazing subject is well spoken about, you can find out more from their websites. more…http://www.whitetimberwolfranch.com/about.html
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Comment #160 posted by museman on May 30, 2007 at 11:05:10 PT
Not Enough Care
When we were younger, we might've done something,but the money just got in the way.Some they got too much, some they got nothin'and the rest just got their bills to pay.When the dust was clearin', none was left standin'they'd all gone to pay their way.I tried not to sing songs of despair,but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care, not enough.Did you feel the wind blow? Did you see the rainbow?Did you think it was all for your own?Have you got an answer, or are you just a dancer?Look what's been done to our home.You make the change come, forfeit the ransom,your money's no seed to be grown.And you better do it today, light the candle, carry the flame,now don't you believe what the money-man say....I tried not to sing songs of despair,but everywhere I look it's just the same,treatin' life like it's a game,and we only got ourselves to blame.Not enough care. Not enough.
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on May 29, 2007 at 21:26:30 PT
afterburner
Isn't that the truth.
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Comment #158 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2007 at 21:24:47 PT
FoM #157
Where are the diggers when we need them?
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Comment #157 posted by FoM on May 29, 2007 at 17:11:32 PT
Related Article from The LA Times
In San Francisco, There's Not a Lot of Love In The Haight***By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles TimesMay 29, 2007 From his second-floor apartment at the counterculture crossing of Haight and Ashbury streets, Arthur Evans watches a new generation of wayward youth invade his free-spirited neighborhood.The former flower child was among the legions of idealistic wanderers who migrated here during the Vietnam War to "tune in, turn on and drop out."But Evans, who has lived at the same address for 34 years, says he has never seen anything like this crowd, who use his flower bed as a bathroom and sell pot outside his window.They're known as gutter punks, these homeless kids with dirty dreadlocks and nose rings, lime-green mohawks and orange spray-painted faces, who panhandle with cardboard signs that riff on their lifestyles. "Please Help Us Get Un-Sober," one reads. Another: "Please Give Us Weed, Beer or Money."Sometimes aggressive, they block sidewalks as they strum guitars or bang on bongos. Gangs of them skateboard down the middle of Haight Street. Some throw used hypodermic needles into a nearby pond they call Hep-C Lake.Evans, 64, says they should get help, clean up or go home.Snipped:Complete Article: http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-haight29may29?single_page=y
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Comment #156 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:45:20 PT
Happy birthday Bob Dylan
His first public performance!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUz2OulZ-q4
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Comment #155 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:16:50 PT
Humans must not kill humans
Not in anger, not in retribution.
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Comment #154 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:12:16 PT
Killing animals
It is necessary. I said before I kill ants when they make trails into my home. I would like for them to have homes and habitats, but my home is not to be one of them.I don't think it's an easy decision to make and I think it's important that everyone think about it for themselves. I wouldn't tell you what you must do, but what I would do to protect not only my child but what about other children the dog may encounter who it does not know at all.
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Comment #153 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 20:08:12 PT
Hope
I think if a dog were to bite my child in anger it would not be my dog any more. I would cause the dog to be destroyed.
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Comment #152 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 18:32:35 PT
Slide Show: NYT: The Summer of Love
An exhibition at the Whitney Museum remembers a lot, but forgets much more about 1967. Above, “Explosion (Jimi Hendrix), 1967.” http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/05/24/arts/20070525_LOVE_SLIDESHOW_1.html
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Comment #151 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 16:16:44 PT
Whig, Comment 148
Lol!Yes. We mostly are "Barkers" and "Growlers", but mostly, not really, "biters".My daughter owned a black german shepherd. One that at times could not control it's aggressiveness. One of the most alarming things I ever saw was when I had taken her out in the back yard to do her business one night. There was a light in the neigbor's yard and one of them was doing something in the back yard.What alarmed me, was when I saw that dog traveling low and fast near the fence, silent as a shadow. She was actually watching him carefully through the cracks...with amazing power to do so, and following his every move, silently...not six inches from the fence and less than a foot from him. So silently and invisibly. It was stunning to see.Once my daughter surprised her at home in the daytime. She heard hard, constant, deep gutteral growls from the long dark hallway... approaching her. Luckily, she recognized my daughter before she attacked.She couldn't even imagine that what she heard coming towards her was even her dog. Finally she could make out white teeth and the glint of her eyes as she crept low on the floor towards her....to GET her...not to greet her. Like a panther or something. She bit a lot of people a lot of the time and was shuttled from home to home. I thought we could handle her and my daughter's home needed the guarding, especially badly at the time. We had an endless battle of wills. Finally my daughter found her to be more than she could endure. She bit me several times and threatened to even more times. We were very good to her...but it didn't help. She seemed to get more and more dominating. She wasn't a safe dog. Some farm man took her....I don't know how that went. Last I heard, she bit him.
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Comment #150 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:35:53 PT
Man's best friend must not be turned enemy
Those who would do this are themselves enemies of humanity.
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Comment #149 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:34:34 PT
Hope
I think when Dogs are turned against People it causes destruction of the bond between us which we took many thousands of years to build.
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Comment #148 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:27:51 PT
Just for the record
I have not been bitten or attacked, though I have been barked at. I think that barking is what I do too, because I believe it is good to bark rather than bite.
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Comment #147 posted by whig on May 24, 2007 at 15:26:32 PT
Had Enough
Here's the thing though with me and German Shepherds. I don't fear them, but I do look them square in the eyes. I don't feel a need to assert dominance with most dogs, but I do so with Shepherds before I relax. I will pet any dog that allows me to do so, but there is always a wariness with dogs that I do not know and that are large enough to do serious harm.
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Comment #146 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 14:26:15 PT
Hope
I liked your story. I'm glad I had dogs over the years. I got my first dog from the pound when I was 10. That's the only way I gave my parents any rest until the next time when I wanted a horse. LOL!
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Comment #145 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:51:04 PT
Just thinking....
Over the years I may have been bitten by children more than I've been bitten by dogs! Nah. I've been dog bit quite a bit.
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Comment #144 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:43:23 PT
Doberman incident
We rescued a young, pregnant female Doberman from the pound. My son adored her. She had her puppies and was a great mother. When they were a few days old, she wasn't there one morning. We searched every where for her. We hand fed the puppies, several times, every day with tubes and syringes and special milk from the vet.My children, I'm sure had puppy scent all over them, attended an elementary school about ten miles from home. During a recess a loose Doberman wandered on to the playground. Well some people were afraid and there was a big deal and the principal happened to notice that the dog was not dangerous and asked all the children, back in their classrooms, if any of them owned a Doberman. One of my sons said yes and went with the principal to see the dog. It was Princess! We were out so my son called his grandfather, my father in law, to the school. He brought the dog...who rode in the front seat of his truck...and I think he was a stranger to her at that time... the ten miles back to the house and her babies.Someone must have stolen her and she got away and found the scent of her babies coming from the area of the school, apparently.It was lovely grace, even in bad circumstances.
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Comment #143 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 13:33:56 PT
Hope
My Rott is great with my husband and if I was a little bigger he wouldn't intimidate me but the female Rott I had was just a love. I never had a mean Weimaraner either. I had a Red Doberman and he was sweet. I had a female and they had a litter of Red Dobermans.
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Comment #142 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:25:39 PT
Rotts
When my son was building a house in the country near Nashville, one day he noticed a huge Rott watching him from the woods. He went on about his work, keeping an eye on the dog, but pretty much ignoring him. One day he said he couldn't stand it any more and fell to one knee and whistled, and said, "Come here, Boy!"The sweetest animal anyone could ask for...but absolutely terrifying to behold. His head! I can't explain to you how big his head was...how big he was. So sweet though. Not an angry, fearful bone in his body...and very watchful. And very terrifying to behold.The Weimaraner has the sweetness of the bloodhound with the protectiveness of the Rottweiler, and sleek beauty of the Doberman. They are lovely dogs. Usually. Like anything else...there are exceptions all over the place out there...dogs the Germsan breeders would have put down in a New York minute.It took ruthlessness to breed like they did.
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Comment #141 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:14:16 PT
Scalp wounds usually bleed terribly.
I can imagine how horrifying it was. I makes me sick that dogs are now so commonly used in this country on people...like the Nazis did. It makes me sick. We had Blood Hounds...but that's not the same as the German Police Dog.It knocked the breath out of me the first time that I saw they were being used in this country and to attack people...was that the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in the Sixties? Civil Rights marchers? I don't remember when it was, but it was horrible to see. I don't remember the true first instance...but I remember the pain of the moment. It hurt me. It hit me like a blow to the belly. I was truly dismayed.
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Comment #140 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 13:05:22 PT
I mean....
I can't help it. Forgot the apostrophe t.Rush. Rush. Rush.
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Comment #139 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 12:32:58 PT
Hope #127
Adolph Hitler and his Nazis left a stigma with German Shepherds, similar to what Charlie Manson left with us.Too bad, but that is the way it is. We will deal with it though, and we will end this pot war, its time is up.and The Hippies Were Right All Along -- We Knew Thatgot to get back to working on the house again. SeeYa real soon. Thanks
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Comment #138 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 12:22:25 PT
Hope
It was a horrible experience. I never saw so much blood at one time. I have a strong Rott. No one ever gets near him. He loves being a protector but he is independent. Our Husky type dog is sweet as punch. She is the boss of my Rott though. She rules! LOL!They have a big fenced in yard to run in. They are happy and controlled.
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Comment #137 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:12:50 PT
Comment 119
Pierced his skull! Oh, my Lord! That's awful. I've known some sweet shepherds. But I can help but feel Ann Frank shiver when I see one.
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Comment #136 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:08:04 PT
That last one was responding to
something Had Enough said in his post to Whig.
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Comment #135 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:07:07 PT
And some dogs absolutely adore
"herding" and "guarding" children. They are very serious about it. Very serious.
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Comment #134 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:04:10 PT
131 Lol!
That's true.Mine would "protect" whoever was holding him. The kids could carry him like a machine gun. He was all for it and into it. But if someone else was toting him...he would get you, even though he loved you half a minute ago.That behavior was accidentally discovered, but it was encouraged, I'm afraid...which of course...made him worse.
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Comment #133 posted by Had Enough on May 24, 2007 at 12:04:00 PT
whig #120
German Shepherds are herding dogs, and they make excellent guard dogs too. That is one the things that make them so unique, and it is all how they are trained.They make good working dogs, as well as pets. But people need to understand this before getting one. People who don’t, end up with a dog that dominates them, and thus they can become dangerousBride used to watch our friends kids, so they wouldn’t have to do the daycare thing. Shadow used to treat then like they were her own. She would herd these kids when they started to get out of line. She was stern, but never harmed them, and watched over them while they were here. I saw this with my own eyes. I didn’t train her to do this, she just did it.One day a father came to pick up his kids. He had just left the gin mill. Shadow knew something wasn’t right, and would not let him near his kids. Afterwards, every time he came around, Shadow would be on extra duty. She would stand of sit between him and those two kids. He kept saying there is something about that dog, she doesn’t like me. I explained, he didn’t believe at first, but after a while he understood. And by that way, we told both parents that we will not let the father leave here with the kids if he had been drinking, all agreed, no problems after that. But the dog did not forget, and every time he came around, Shadow would be keeping a very watchful eye on him. I used to tease the guy about it. :)But on a sadder note, that guy now has bone cancer, & lung cancer. He is in bad shape and probably won’t live very much longer. Pretty soon I will have to say goodbye to another life long friend.
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Comment #132 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 12:00:26 PT
Chihuahuas
They don't call them the "Lion of Mexico" for no reason.They are naturaly burrowing animals. I found a "burrow" of my little male that had matches and a credit card application stashed away in it. Wonder what that was about?
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Comment #131 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 12:00:12 PT
Hope
Ankle biters. Little dogs and teething children.
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 11:58:15 PT
This Was One of My Favorite Disney Movies
Love Leads The Way (DISNEY)When an insurance salesman is blinded in a boxing accident, his world is turned upside down as he has trouble functioning in his sightless world. All seem hopeless until he learns of an innovative European project that trains dogs as guides for the blind. He explores the idea and decides to train for a dog. He eventually gets a guide dog, but soon learns that he is barred from taking his needed companion into transit vehicles and public buildings and businesses. With a newfound friend, he must fight to make the country recognize that those rules are unfair to him and his guide. http://www.amazon.com/Love-Leads-The-Way-DISNEY/dp/B0001DA6DM
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Comment #129 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:58:10 PT
a Chihuahua
We should all thank God they aren't very big. They are dangerous. I've owned two. I've been bitten by more small dogs than big dogs.
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Comment #128 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:55:02 PT
"I've known some wonderful ones."
German Shepherds, not Nazis.
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Comment #127 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:50:44 PT
It takes somewhat of an idiot dog
to be easily provoked to attack. Their ability to fall into a frenzy of destruction isn't a good thing. It may have even involved, no, likely involved, idiotic training, as well. Their breeding though...it's so important. I have owned pitt bulls. They can be so loving and adoring...but some can be a danger to themselves and others if they aren't the kind that can sort of control their emotions and natural drives. Nazi use of the German Shepherd soured me on them forever. I've known some wonderful ones. Absolute darlings. But I have never been attracted to the breed because of that.I don't despise German dog breeding. I've owned a Doberman, two Wiemaraners, and a Dachshund over the years.
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on May 24, 2007 at 11:45:55 PT
Had Enough
We didn't blame the dog. We pulled into a horse farm to deliver a race horse to the people. We got out of the horse van and my son toddled around the front of the van and we were right after him. A dog was in a box and we didn't see him. My son ran towards the dog because he loved dogs and he got within range of the chain and that was that. He nailed him in the head and the dog was getting ready to tear him apart. It happened so fast. The dog was protecting the farm. Shepherds are bred to guard so he was doing his job.
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Comment #125 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:43:21 PT
A loving gentle beast can be an
astounding protector of his, or her, people without being a danger to any or all that might cross it's path.In their minds, don't doubt it... we are their people.
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Comment #124 posted by Hope on May 24, 2007 at 11:40:42 PT
Breeding, temperament...
How he's raised all go in to the making of an animal.Some ar