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††Pro-Pot Crowd Shouts Down Owens

Posted by CN Staff on October 27, 2006 at 16:25:48 PT
By David Montero, Rocky Mountain News†
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Colorado -- They werenít mellow or takiní it easy when Gov. Bill Owens talked on the Capitol steps Friday morning in opposition to a statewide ballot measure seeking to legalize marijuana possession. About 50 people of all ages shouted him down as he and Attorney General John Suthers cited statistics declaring pot dangerous.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is a sad day for Colorado," Owens said. And then he had to repeat what he said over the chant, "What do we want? Safer drugs. When do we want them? Now." Suthers couldnít even be heard much of the time he spoke. For about four minutes, he plowed through data showing the dangers of marijuana, but it was lost in the din of another chant, "Hey, ho, you say drink, we say no." The crowd never let up and cheered when Suthers finished his speech. They taunted the governor: "Lie louder Bill, we canít hear you." Owens and Suthers were also joined by Park County Sheriff Fred Wegener, who became famous during the Platt Canyon High School shooting in Bailey that resulted in the sexual assault of several girls and the murder of 16-year-old Emily Keyes. Wegener tried to link the amendment to the tragedy. "What about the possibilities of this individual being a pilot or a bus driver?" he asked the crowd. "The potential consequences of their actions are too horrific to ignore. Couldnít happen? Thatís what was said about a school shooting in Bailey." The crowd jeered. Amendment 44, the ballot measure that seeks to legalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and older, has been largely opposed by law enforcement officials. On the steps, a line of uniformed officers, including sheriffís and police chiefs, watched the chanting crowd mock most of the speakers. Amendment 44 sponsor Mason Tvert said the elected officials and law enforcement officers were being disingenuous. "Clearly they havenít done their jobs. They havenít educated people about drugs," Tvert said. "Theyíve simply pushed people from one drug they donít like to the other one they do."Newshawk: Global_WarmingSource: Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)Author:  David Montero, Rocky Mountain NewsPublished: October 27, 2006Copyright: 2006 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Safer Coloradohttp://www.safercolorado.org/Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/So Why is Pot Really Illegal?http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22323.shtmlSafety at Heart of Pot Debatehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22317.shtmlNo Logical Reason To Punish Adults for Marijuanahttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22312.shtml

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Comment #37 posted by afterburner on October 29, 2006 at 09:32:34 PT
The GCW #14 
Colorado needs to send a Smoke Signal to the rest of the world. I'm happy to hear that the people are supporting 44.
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Comment #36 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 13:21:19 PT
I AM Voting YES
YES
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Comment #35 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 13:07:03 PT
Tell me again
About the rules and regulations,There is "1" landlord, there is "1" Eternal Truth.Who do you bow in the Morning and the Night?Your Soul is cargo destined for Eternity
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Comment #34 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 12:55:34 PT
Take a good look
In this modern day civilized world.
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Comment #33 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 12:38:07 PT
Vote YES
Police news: Canton man charged with possession of cannabis.http://tinyurl.com/wcfarPublished: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:56 AM CDT
E-mail this story | Print this pageThe Canton Police Department, along with the West Central Illinois Task Force, executed a Fulton County search warrant at 558 N. Eighth Ave., Canton.Following the execution of the search warrant, the resident of that address, Justin S. Gorsage, 23, was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of more than 30 but less than 500 grams of cannabis with the intent to deliver.Gorsage was transported to the Canton Police Department before being transferred to the Fulton County Jail to await formal arraignment in Fulton County Court on Friday afternoon.Unlawful possession of more than 30 but less than 500 grams of cannabis with the intent to deliver is a Class 3 felony. The investigation is continuing and additional charges may be filed later.Also assisting in the execution of the search warrant were the Illinois State Police Tactical Response Team and Illinois State Police District 14 troopers.
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Comment #32 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 11:54:48 PT
Be Assured Reverend
My only effort is to end this prohibition, so Cannabis users can enjoy FREEDOM.A YES vote is a vote for Freedom.
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Comment #31 posted by BGreen on October 28, 2006 at 11:21:39 PT
Sorry, global_warming
I'm sure you didn't mean what I thought you meant.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #30 posted by BGreen on October 28, 2006 at 11:19:45 PT
Please quote Hope properly, global_warming
Hope said: But this is considered a "drug" site, by prohibitionistsThe alcohol websites ask for your birth date and won't allow you to enter their site if you're under 18. There's nothing to prevent a younger person from lying about their age in order to view the site, never the less the rules are in place.I consider this site to be a freedom and information site, NOT a "drug" site, and I'm sure that's what Hope was saying.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #29 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 11:14:24 PT
Oh, also
Hope you are in rare form, God Bless You.
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Comment #28 posted by global_warming on October 28, 2006 at 11:13:03 PT
re: comment 24
"But this is considered a "drug" site, " is vodka included?Good luck to the 16 year old and to all who read and write at this drug site.
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on October 28, 2006 at 10:50:54 PT
The position we're in....
We all know, in this day and age...we are in a fragile place and circumstance. I love to hear an intelligent and wise young person or child. But we have this "war on people" going on that is very real and we could be in real danger from our "democratic" government for allowing a child or underage person express their thoughts on the present situation. I grieve for the young people like Synesthete that might get their lives ruined by the War on Drugs.Their future is so important and so fragile. Drugs may or may not ruin one of their lives...but getting busted will, for sure. Sadly, I've seen it happen...over and over again. And it's not a "War on Drugs" to save the "young people". If it was a war on Drugs....they wouldn't be so many children dosed with Ritalin and similar drugs everyday.It's a WAR on some people, and SOME drugs, and SOME herbs.It's a politically rigged deal and we're all in danger from this drug war. It doesn't matter that you don't use drugs or herbs. You could be the next "wrong house" raid. That SHOULD scare you.
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Comment #26 posted by BGreen on October 28, 2006 at 10:27:36 PT
I understand your predicament, FoM
I never saw an age limit on our 1st Amendment so I don't agree with stifling the young voices.We can try them as adults in criminal courts at the age of 12 or 13, we can send them off to war at age 17, but they must be 18 before they are entitled to their Constitutional right of free speech.I don't agree at all but I understand the position you're in, FoM.The Reverend Bud (I can't wait for the Prom) Green
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on October 28, 2006 at 10:24:37 PT
Lol! BGreen!
"I hope by the time I turn 16 things will have changed..."
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on October 28, 2006 at 10:23:04 PT
Synesthete
Synesthete proved himself to be able to converse thoughtfully, intelligently, and maturely. Certainly, he, or she, didn't seem that young, at all. I like Synesthete and his or her views. He certainly knows how to carry on a mature conversation.I understand....very well...though, why they cannot be allowed to post if it is known they are so young. Yes, the young suffer greatly under this prohibition...and they should speak out. I admire them so when they do. But this is considered a "drug" site, by prohibitionists...and they can give us all kinds of hell, as adults, for conversing with a sixteen year old about the War on Drugs...albeit he can converse more maturely than any prohib has ever been able to.Sysnesthete, we will miss your comments, but you can still get a word in edgewise over at Cannablog.http://cannablog.wordpress.com/Young voices, like Synesthete, have much to say and can say it well...and it does give me hope for the future that there are young people who can think and consider with wisdom and knowledge and understanding all that they face, including the so called, "War on Drugs" and political indoctrination.
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Comment #23 posted by FoM on October 28, 2006 at 10:09:58 PT
BGreen
If I don't know how old someone is then I won't have a responsibility in that area. 
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on October 28, 2006 at 10:07:27 PT
Had Enough
Thank you.
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Comment #21 posted by BGreen on October 28, 2006 at 10:07:13 PT
Those 17 and under
They should ONLY be allowed to be paraded out by the drug czar as pawns for supporting the incarceration of adults for using cannabis.Young people should NEVER be allowed to voice their own feelings and opinions to counter all of the young puppets we've heard from.What have we learned from this?Never, never, never reveal your true age if you want your voice to be heard.I hope by the time I turn 16 things will have changed. :(The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #20 posted by Had Enough on October 28, 2006 at 09:51:38 PT

Supertramp: The Logical Song
Supertramp: The Logical Song********When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.And all the birds in the trees, well theyd be singing so happily,Joyfully, playfully watching me.But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible,Logical, responsible, practical.And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable,Clinical, intellectual, cynical.******************There are times when all the worlds asleep,The questions run too deepFor such a simple man.Wont you please, please tell me what weve learnedI know it sounds absurdBut please tell me who I am.******************Now watch what you say or theyll be calling you a radical,Liberal, fanatical, criminal.Wont you sign up your name, wed like to feel youreAcceptable, respecable, presentable, a vegtable!******************At night, when all the worlds asleep,The questions run so deepFor such a simple man.Wont you please, please tell me what weve learnedI know it sounds absurdBut please tell me who I am.********************http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/supertramp/the+logical+song_20133850.html

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Comment #19 posted by Had Enough on October 28, 2006 at 09:51:30 PT

Re: #7 Logical
Good CallIt was only the responsible thing to do.That person stated in this forum that they were 16 yrs old.I donít like seeing anyone censored, banned, or whatever, as you know, but it was the right thing to do in this case. The prohibitionists could have used that to cause trouble for this website.No offence Synesthete. When I saw your post where you revealed your age, I was really impressed about how mature you have developed yourself. FoM has to do things that even she doesnít like, but she still has to do them.I hope you understand.

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Comment #18 posted by whig on October 28, 2006 at 09:29:31 PT

FoM
Some children are abused by their parents. Also, and relatedly, there are some emancipated minors (who do not have any legal relation to their parents) under the age of 18.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on October 28, 2006 at 08:34:24 PT

Just FWIW
I won't put an age limit on Cannablog. I do not believe parents or legislators have a right to dictate what I can say, or who I can say it to. I don't solicit anyone to do anything, regardless of age, and information does not need to be restricted. Just my opinion and I'm not commenting on CNews policy, only my own. CNN may give parental advisories sometimes but they cover stories that some parents would prefer their children not watch too, there is no difference except that our issue is more politically controversial than those which the mainstream media wants to address at this time, which is no reason for me to consider an age limit.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on October 28, 2006 at 07:26:10 PT

JR Bob Dobbs 
Isn't 18 the legal age for children to be on their own? Up until 18 the parents are totally responsible for their children. I respect parents rights to guide their children. 
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Comment #15 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 28, 2006 at 07:01:24 PT

Age limit?
FoM, what's the minimum age you'd like C-News posters to be? 18? 21? Just curious...
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Comment #14 posted by The GCW on October 28, 2006 at 05:11:55 PT

Toker00
Where I hang out, everyone else feels it too.Again the last 2 days, I was out and asked plenty of people about 44 and the response is adamant.Damn right!For sure!You bet!It's about time!Count on it!Yes I Am!!!voting for 44!That's what I hear.44The cop types here in Summit County have not said anything about 44 to My knowledge, but then sometimes I read stuff here at CNEWS before I know it is going on,,, (example: http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22327.shtml "Proponents of Marijuana Initiative, Governor Clash" that I see posted this morning)so the cops might be spewing...The 2 running for sheriff in Aspen (How's Your aspen?) both support 44...But most cops seem to have contempt for cannabis and consider it the devil weed.I know that is unfair to cops to believe they have contempt for 44 because I Am sure many out there truely just want to carry a piece and protect citizens and do good to serve, and do support cannabis. 
Many cops support 44 inside but don't want to say so outside for fear of being persecuted.What Colorado and Nevada needs is police in uniform that are not retired, standing on the capitol steps speaking in favor of 44 & 7. Just like those uniforms who speak against and don't get fired...Cops should come out of the closet, speak at the capitol and if they get fired, sue the state etc...We would all like to see that and it would gain respect for cops.One example with ordinary citizens:I was at a place about a week ago and like usual I don't wait for 44 to come up in casual conversation and brought it up and asked if the people present in the room are voting on 44 and they said yes but 1 person had a low key way of acknowledging the yes but still said, He aint saying since He is at work. He said ask Him when He's not at work, yet He did indicate in His own protective way, He is.At A-Basin ski area the last 2 days, not one person was against 44. Ordinary folks... and lots of them.
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Comment #13 posted by goneposthole on October 27, 2006 at 23:04:35 PT

dangerous drugs
"Clearly they havenít done their jobs. They havenít educated people about drugs," Tvert said. "Theyíve simply pushed people from one drug they donít like to the other one they do."They don't talk about the dangers of FDA approved drugs, just supposed dangers of cannabis, the substance they don't want you to have.Dangers of Ritalin,a prescribed FDA approved drug: RITALIN-SRģ methylphenidate hydrochloride USP sustained-release tablets. "WARNINGS - Ritalin should not be used in children under six years, since safety and efficacy in this age group have not been established. Sufficient data on safety and efficacy of long-term use of Ritalin in children are not yet available. Although a causal relationship has not been established, suppression of growth (ie, weight gain, and/or height) has been reported with the long-term use of stimulants in children. Therefore, patients requiring long-term therapy should be carefully monitored. ADVERSE REACTIONS
Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse reactions but are usually controlled by reducing dosage and omitting the drug in the afternoon or evening. Other reactions include hypersensitivity (including skin rash, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, exfoliative dermatitis, erythema multiforme with histopathological findings of necrotizing vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura); anorexia; nausea; dizzines; palpitations; headache; dyskinesia; drowsiness; blood pressure and pulse changes, both up and down; tachycardia; angina; cardiac arrhythmia; abdominal pain; weight loss during prolonged therapy. There have been rare reports of Tourette's syndrome. Toxic psychosis has been reported. Although a definite causal relationship has not been established, the following have been reported in patients taking this drug: leukopenia and/or anemia; a few instances of scalp hair loss. In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss during prolonged therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more frequently; however, any of the other adverse reactions listed above may also occur."http://www.adhdtesting.org/ritalin.htmGoogle search on the dangers of Prozac:
dangers of Prozac search
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Comment #12 posted by afterburner on October 27, 2006 at 21:44:26 PT

Teetotalers and Parasites & Jury Nullification
Thanks to Mason Tvert the prohibitionist arguments make sense only to teetotalers and parasites.Oct 26 2006. Top court overturns pot activist's conviction. An Alberta medical marijuana activist was deprived of his constitutional right to a jury trial when his trial judge instructed two sympathetic jurors to nonetheless find him guilty, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled today.
http://tinyurl.com/yxd5fu
READ RULING: SUPREME COURT OF CANADA vs Grant W. Krieger 
http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2006/2006scc47/2006scc47.html 
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on October 27, 2006 at 21:14:31 PT

Toker00
I don't like having to keep anyone from commenting but he is only 16 and his parents more then likely would not approve. Also I am at a point where I don't trust that someone who says they are that young isn't looking for a way to cause us trouble with the law. None of us needs that. It's way too much of a burden for me to handle. 
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Comment #10 posted by Dankhank on October 27, 2006 at 21:07:29 PT

Letterman
is running late here in SW OKIn prep for O'Reilly's visit early on David said he hopes he gets to call Bill a bonehead.
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Comment #9 posted by Toker00 on October 27, 2006 at 21:02:58 PT

Synesthete
Please, please don't think that we can't see your maturity. Some of us would welcome you here, despite your age, but it's not something FoM can allow here at this very powerful and much read site. The authorities are always looking for a reason to shut down our lifeline to each other, and rules must be followed, even though our laws are sometimes corrupt, the rules must still be followed. I enjoyed your post and look forward to hearing from you and your peers as you come of age. Together and collectively, WE WILL WIN! What am I saying? We have already won.We love you, Synesthete.Wage Peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #8 posted by Toker00 on October 27, 2006 at 20:52:57 PT

Any more underagers POSTING here? GCW
Way to go FoM! That was quick. I admire you so much. Sorry youngsters, adult material here.GCW, you see it coming too, don't you? I felt your post.Toke.
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on October 27, 2006 at 19:20:07 PT

Synesthete
I didn't know you were underage but unfortunately I do now. It just isn't safe for me or CNews. I'm sorry.
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Comment #6 posted by Synesthete on October 27, 2006 at 19:04:52 PT

Thank God!
THE PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP!Man, I'm 16 years old and that brings a tear to my eye.To be growing up in this day and age when so much is laid out before my generation to clean up...the drug war...the war on terror...our corrupt government...It's amazing.*tear*Jake the Synesthete
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Comment #5 posted by Wayne on October 27, 2006 at 18:23:58 PT

more critical questions not being asked
Is anyone asking the question, "What about the Hatch Act?? Exactly how much taxpayer reserves did Gov. Owens and Mr. Suthers use today? Was it more than $50?" I'm pleased to see the results of what happened today, but I would really like for someone to answer that questiona and hold these crooks accountable. Someone should tell Mason, I'm sure he would find out right away.And as for Sheriff Wegener:'"What about the possibilities of this individual being a pilot or a bus driver?" he asked the crowd. "The potential consequences of their actions are too horrific to ignore. Couldnít happen? Thatís what was said about a school shooting in Bailey." The crowd jeered.'How DARE he take a sick, tragic, totally UNRELATED incident like that and try to tie it with small-time cannabis users? I wonder if he would dare ask that question in front of Emily Keyes' parents? And frankly, I'm surprised that the crowd only jeered. With the way things were going today, I'm surprised they didn't grab the son-of-a-b***h and beat him to a pulp.

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Comment #4 posted by mayan on October 27, 2006 at 18:13:48 PT

We Won't Be Silenced!!!
Here are a couple of related stories with video of the event...Supporters, Opponents Face Off On Amendment 44:
http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_300140909.htmlPot Proponents Shout Down Governor - Rally Against Amendment 44 Gets Heated:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10174806/detail.htmlGet ready...Bush Moves Toward Martial Law:
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e
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Comment #3 posted by The GCW on October 27, 2006 at 18:06:37 PT

Cagers are fools in the eyes of cannabis' creator.
Citizens are tired of the discrimination.Sick of being treated like 2nd class.Sick of feeling hunted like animals.Sick of bullies taking Our lunch money.Screaming for an end to the hate misdirected.Contempt enough to dish it backHad enough.Ready to spit.Ready to quit.Quit letting animals step on Our hearts.People in uniform havenít seen anything yet.Uniformís of abuse.Symbol of disrespect.Abusing people no more over Godís creation.People are though accepting uniforms crapping up lives.If cops donít like it, let them screw the Christ again.Direct their hatred again to the creator.And let the creator deal with the uniform.Let the creator deal with the Governor.Let the creator clean up the shit.March and chant.Win and march.March with the Christ.For the uniform marches with the anti-Christ.Anyone who cages humans for using what God indicates He created and says is good on the very 1st page of the Bible is a FOOL.An exposed fool.Cagers are fools in the eyes of cannabis' creator.And praise the internet. It is also a creation of Christ God Our Father. Internet will mow down the uniform's caging tendencies.44 (and We're not talking 44 Magnum, good buddy)The Green Collar Worker
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Comment #2 posted by Max Flowers on October 27, 2006 at 17:06:27 PT

I wonder if cannabis will heal this too
'Dilbert' creator recovers from rare disorderBrain disease caused cartoonist Scott Adams to lose his normal voiceAdams, 49, appears to be a rare example of someone who has largely ó but not totally ó recovered from spasmodic dysphonia, a mysterious disease in which parts of the brain controlling speech shut down or go haywire. As many as 30,000 Americans are afflicted, typically in their 40s and 50s, experts say.Patients are often so anxious about their speech that they stop breathing or have heart palpitations. There is no known cure ó but many victims have improved their speech by changing tenor or pitch, or doing special breathing and relaxation exercises.===================================Read the article at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15446515/This is a rare spasmodic disorder. Sounds like a job for... SUPERCANNABIS! I don't know though, I have to think he would have already tried it, but you never know, he might be a teetotaler or a "non" as we used to say in my old high school days. Anyway my money is on that cannabis could knock it out easily.
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Comment #1 posted by Max Flowers on October 27, 2006 at 16:58:31 PT

Brilliant activism
I love it. When the people begin routinely shouting down these arrogant prohibitionists like this, it is tangibly the beginning of the end of this crap we've been enduring for oh, about 70 years. And for me, tangible is important because in my view it is going to take more than just articulate web comments to throw off this oppression.

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