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Success of Anti-Drug Ads Questioned 
Posted by CN Staff on September 05, 2006 at 07:53:58 PT
By Richard Powelson 
Source: Knoxville News-Sentinel 
Tennessee -- Regional and national surveys, including one tracking Knoxville students, differ on whether the federal anti-drug ad campaign over several years helped reduce illegal drug use among youths. A recent analysis by the U.S. Government Accountability Office looked at a national survey by a contractor, Westat Inc., and concluded that there was "credible evidence" that a national TV, radio and print campaign "was not effective in reducing youth drug use" from 1998 to 2004. About $1.2 billion was spent during those years, GAO found.
By contrast, a four-year regional survey of Knoxville and Lexington, Ky., students in grades four to 12 found that the ad campaign targeting marijuana use in portions of 2002 and 2003 had a significant effect on youths. In that period, the percent of frequent substance abusers reporting marijuana use in the past 30 days dropped from about 18 percent to 13 percent, the study found. The latter study, conducted by faculty at the University of Kentucky, Texas A&M and Duke, did random, confidential surveys each month with 100 Knoxville students and 100 Lexington students, according to Philip Palmgreen, a researcher at UK's communications department. The study ran from April 1999 through March 2003, involving nearly 10,000 students, and located cooperative students by telephone who later completed a confidential survey at their homes on a laptop computer. "The great majority of students remembered seeing the anti-drug public service announcements frequently throughout the campaign," Palmgreen said in an interview. GAO recommended that Congress cut funding on the ad campaign, which is costing about $100 million this year, until the White House drug control office can prove it is effective in reducing drug abuse. Two U.S. House members from East Tennessee supported part or all of the ad campaign's work. Knoxville Rep. John J. Duncan Jr. said anti-drug TV and radio advertising "if aimed at the right groups, could be very effective and very helpful. I'm sure in favor of spending whatever we need to spend to fight the drug problem based on what I've seen." Duncan is a former Knox County Criminal Court judge who said many young people came before him charged with drug violations or other crimes. Often the young people came from a fatherless home, he said. Both Duncan and U.S. Rep. Zach Wamp, a Chattanooga Republican, praised the part of the campaign that urges parents to communicate regularly with their children on reasons for not abusing drugs. Both are parents. "Parents have a very important role," Duncan said. Wamp said he and one of his sons have watched some anti-drug commercials and did not think they were very effective. He said he would like more study on whether they are achieving the desired results. The investment in the ad campaigns is very important, he said, whether it is about alcohol abuse or other drug abuse. At this point, however, "I'm not sure that the money is well spent." Some commercials "make drugs look mysterious or interesting or even cool. I think they have to be careful in these ads of being too cool or too cute with the kids." Wamp favorably recalled Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign. "It made its way to a slogan at the dinner table. Everybody knew what it was. I don't think that these (current) ads permeate our culture." The White House's drug czar, John Walters, said the national survey by Westat had multiple flaws, is two years old, and does not include improvements in recent ad campaigns. Other national surveys have found significant reductions in drug abuse, Walters said in a written response to the GAO study. One study documented a 19 percent decline in illegal drug use among eighth-, 10th- and 12th-graders during the last four years, he said. Cutting the budget of the national anti-drug ad campaign "could have far-reaching and unfavorable consequences," Walters warned. Mass media and popular culture with a pro-drug message need a counter message, he said. In grades K-12 in Knox County schools, officials still are processing a drug survey of students from last year, said Marty Iroff, an administrator of student services that include drug and violence prevention. Schools, parents and the federal government have roles in helping youths avoid drugs, he said. An ad campaign can help in the combined effort, he said. "I'm scared for the drug prevention world if the federal government starts to cut back on their monies," Iroff said. "That's a major concern. "As soon as you turn your back on it, it tends to blow up again. I definitely think that adults, parents for sure, need to be more involved with youth at all levels." Note: Study finds marijuana use down by Knoxville, Lexington students .Newshawk: MayanSource: Knoxville News-Sentinel (TN)Author: Richard Powelson Published: September 5, 2006Copyright: 2006 The Knoxville News-Sentinel Co.Contact: letters knews.comWebsite: http://www.knoxnews.com/Related Articles:Anti-Drug Advertising Campaign a Failurehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22110.shtmlGAO: $1 Bil.+ Anti-Drug Effort Ineffective http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22102.shtmlWhite House Unveils Latest Anti-Drug Effort http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21592.shtml
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Comment #71 posted by whig on September 07, 2006 at 23:05:14 PT
OT: Funniest essay
You should see the conclusion:http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_959.html
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Comment #70 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 20:04:07 PT
Just a Note
I received an e-mail that CNews was down. It didn't work for me either but it appears to be ok now. I don't know why it went down though. Sorry for the problem.PS: I've mentioned this before but I thought I should mention it again. If you bookmark this link or if you can get to my FTE web site this forum would be for an emergency if we couldn't get CNews to work.
Cannabis News Discussion Forum
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 18:52:28 PT
Truth Have Fun
I remember the James Gang and Joe Walsh. Have fun at the concert. Afterburner will arrive on Saturday and if the weather is ok we will have a bonfire on Saturday night. I have hot dogs and marshmallows to cook on the fire if we want. We will leave early on Sunday and spend as much time as we can checking out the booths. I don't know when the gates open yet though. Maybe Shelley The Republican should listen to this song on Neil Young's LWW Today web site. LOL!RELIGIONWHEN DID JESUS BECOME A REPUBLICAN?CINDY LEE BERRYHILLby RB Warford, LWW TodayThis is a funky and funny track with bangin' drums and questioning lyric content, sung by Cindy Lee with attitude. Perfect coffee music for Karl Rove and co.http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/songslinks/songlink_059.html
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Comment #68 posted by Truth on September 07, 2006 at 18:37:44 PT
FoM
Have fun at the show this weekend. Tomorrow we're off to see a band that started in Cleveland in 1966. James Gang featuring Joe Walsh. Can't wait, a very small outdoor venue.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 18:23:50 PT
Museman and Anyone Interested
I am getting all fired up about the concert on Sunday. I was reading Thrasher Wheat and someone had posted this link. I will never understand Republicans.Neil Young: An Enemy Of George Bush. An Enemy Of Godhttp://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2006/08/21/neil-young-an-enemy-of-george-bush-an-enemy-of-god.aspx
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 17:55:24 PT
museman
That is cosmic. Way to go!
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Comment #65 posted by museman on September 07, 2006 at 17:52:13 PT
FoM
and it's # 420! Cosmic.
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 17:14:19 PT
Museman
Thank you. That is so young to die. I'm sorry. I just checked out LWW Today's music and found Don't Forget War - Terry Hubbard.http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/songslinks/songlink_411.html
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Comment #63 posted by museman on September 07, 2006 at 16:59:12 PT
FoM
Basicly he fell down and never got back up. Drugs prescribed by legal Dr.s -depression and alcohol."Heart Failure" at 44.I'm going to write a little bio on him within a couple of days. His ex has a lot of recordings she hinted at having, so I might get access to some other stuff. Maybe the video we did with intent to get on mtv is in those.
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 16:50:18 PT
museman
What happened to Tongo?
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 16:48:19 PT
museman
Thank you! I am listening to the song now. Amazing sound.
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Comment #60 posted by museman on September 07, 2006 at 16:31:53 PT
excuse my spllin
that was "to show MY appreciation..."
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Comment #59 posted by museman on September 07, 2006 at 16:29:32 PT
Dead White and Blue
In honor of a great musician and one of my best friends who left too soon, I offer this tune. It's a bit long, but even after 20 years still has something that needs to be said.p.s. though I do appreciate your appreciation don't feel obligated. I offer it all free, as-is as my gift-no strings attached- to show may appreciation for all of your heads.
Dead White and Blue
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on September 07, 2006 at 10:47:29 PT
Truth 
Oh my thank you.
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Comment #57 posted by Truth on September 07, 2006 at 10:24:00 PT
FoM
You have a heart of gold.
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on September 06, 2006 at 19:52:51 PT
museman
I know what you mean. I spent most of my life doing something that I felt was important. Even when we had a video store we gave free movie rentals away often. If a regular customer got really sick we didn't charge them to rent their movies. It didn't seem like much to me but it always made them happy. I could think about the money we made but I don't remember that very well but I do remember the people. I have never seen a U-Haul being towed behind a hearse so I look at it that way.
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Comment #55 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 19:33:22 PT
Max
All other 'opinions' aside -thanks for the heads up, at least I do know about it now.
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Comment #54 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 19:09:26 PT
FoM
"When I was active with horses I could have made a lot of money but I wouldn't have been able to be honest."Pretty much my reasoning when it comes to the music business, which after 1975 was the only game in town. It also reflects some insight into some of the assumptions I have made concerning those artists who 'bought into it.' There are more than assumptions in evidence. You got to really step up to the plate to get my artist/musician attention- Like Neil did..again.You don't have to be great, just real. I appreciate reality.Neil is both great and real.
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Comment #53 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 18:59:59 PT
whig
I used the term too flippantly, you are right, but I meant it in a supportive role to distinguishing the difference between sharing material and actually stealing it. Plagiarism is dirty word for writers, and even the insinuation is guaranteed a probable negative reaction.My attitude towards Peter Gabriel has to do more with style, flavor, and maybe content of his music, not him personally. I know very little about the man.
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Comment #52 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 18:48:01 PT
mayan
I was 16 at the time, they were in England, and I in California -I never saw them until 1993 Oregon- so I think they had the jump on me on that one, but it was so eery to me to have such an exact thing come to my mind- got me to thinking.
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Comment #51 posted by mayan on September 06, 2006 at 18:19:02 PT
museman
I'll listen to it when I get back. Thanks! That's beyond amazing, regarding your lyrics which mirror "Nights in White Satin". Or did the Moody Blues mirror you?
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on September 06, 2006 at 17:05:38 PT
museman
I don't know the music of Peter Gabriel but like Whig said basically we are a different generation. I am happy when musicians make lots of money. A good, rich musician can do a lot of wonderful things for the world with their money. I'd much rather Neil make millions and millions of dollars then some business person in wall street for lack of a better way of saying it. When I was active with horses I could have made a lot of money but I wouldn't have been able to be honest. I have had very wealthy friends and very poor friends. I don't think about money that often. I think of needing to pay bills but not much more. 
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Comment #49 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 17:05:15 PT
Christian Dominionist
I have a dialogue going with a dominionist. Really.http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/06/letter-to-christopher-ortiz/
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Comment #48 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 16:38:33 PT
museman
There was not a hint of accusation intended by me.I was observing that my own experience as a music listener begins with Peter Gabriel. If he is not your speed or even offensive to you, then that is your own experience.We should not be so easily divided as over the subject of what we like to listen to.I sincerely doubt there is anything more significant to the use of "gotta get in to get out" than synchronicity, similar words in different contexts. I've told you my own, that I heard once long before I understood, "There is no time. We are here now." So I wouldn't be surprised to see others have said the same thing.I know that you and I see things in a different perspective sometimes but we're on the same side and we're saying the same things with different metaphors. Gabriel spoke to my consciousness because I was in a later generation than you, and something needed to break through the crappy eighties all commercial all the time radio. Sledgehammer, while it wasn't a particularly good song as far as it goes, was effective in smashing through the charts and bringing Gabriel to public attention, including his entire back catalog and subsequent work. You think he was a bad person for making money? Look what he has done, and do not despise him for succeeding like Neil Young and many others that had a voice to bring before the larger audience. There is also a place for the small, private audience. And all sizes in between.
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Comment #47 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 16:18:09 PT
FoM
"Ideas, thoughts, music and different sounds really are within us and I think that it is flattering when someone uses something that is from someone else if that makes sense."It is 'flattering' if some kind of misplaced pride doesn't get in the way.Oh, I also quote John Lennon's "All You Need Is Love" in several of my songs, and nobody has complained about that.When I play cover songs that I can relate to, I do honor to the authors, but technically without actually getting 'permission' I am breaking the law. When is the last time a band got charged with breaking that law? Never, because any artist worth his salt knows how ludicrous the whole thing is. Now if I recorded with intention to make a profit, then the promoters, and managers would be at my door looking for their cut, and I would have to give it to them, cause that's the game- one of the reasons I don't wanna play (the game)- it's all about money, pride, personna, and ambition, all of which I have very little of.
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on September 06, 2006 at 15:40:39 PT
museman
The way I see it is when Neil added the sound of Chimes of Freedom to Flags of Freedom it added a lot to the song. If I was Bob Dylan I would be flattered and he probably was since Neil and Bob are friends. I have heard people complain about people copying ideas from other people. Ideas, thoughts, music and different sounds really are within us and I think that it is flattering when someone uses something that is from someone else if that makes sense.
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Comment #45 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 15:24:55 PT
FoM
"I don't understand how all that stuff works"Playing someone elses song is different than plageurizing-which is what I am being accused of- though as I said there is no 'legal' case. And since I have yet to ascend past the 'poverty-line' in personal income I laugh at the idea that someone as wealthy as Peter Gabriel would even care that we came up with the same phrase enough to do anything except say 'good luck.'I would also like to point out that my recording predates their 'newest' version, which further validates any claims that might be challenged.Also on LWW there is another song there called 'Freedom' and nobody thought enough about it to ask either one of us to change the title, they just naturally thought to leave it to the listener.I remember a tiff between a reggae band and George Harrison, they claimed he ripped off the melody of their song "She's so fine" and made a hit "My Sweet Lord." There was a lot more similarity between those two songs than mine and PG's so I find the whole idea kind of silly.
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Comment #44 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 14:59:42 PT
N_M -genesis
Well, too late for change. Sorry genesis fans, but I don't consider them that great, never heard one of their songs that held my interest for more than a few seconds -not to say they didn't write any that would, I just never heard them, and their style -in particular Peter Gabriel- causes a reaction which my description of would definitely be offensive, so I won't give it.The song is about someting real important that happened in my life, I'm sorry, but "Carpet Crawlers" doesn't cut the mustard lyricly enough for me to even worry about it. Not so many people listen to my music anyway, I didn't have the benefit of million-dollar backers for my stuff, so if Peter Gabriel thinks he can get blood out of a stone, he can sue me if he needs to.Now here's something nobody is going to understand except maybe a few songwriters - the source is not the person, we all get our inspiration from the same pool, and often times in my life I and others have seen the phenomenon of coming up with the same lines, Imagine this; in 1967 I came up with this;"Bedsitter people look back and lament,
Another day's useless energy spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one,
Lonely man cries for love and has none.
New mother picks up and suckles her son,
Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right."The only thing I didn't write was "Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
Watch lights fade from every room." and "And which is an illusion???"Imagine my discomfort upon hearing "Nights In White Satin" about a month later. However I chalked it up to sunchronicity and let it go.In 1969 I wrote a poem to my girl friend that went like this;"I write the songs that make the whole world sing..."In 1970 a person in the Navy ripped off my poetry, and then actually had the gaul to write me a letter telling me he was going to sell them! Imagine my feelings when 'Barely Manenuff' (Barry Manelo) came out with his first actual hit beyond his commercial jingles? I assure you that if had any proof at all, mr. Manelo would have supplied me with funding to further my career.So, if Peter Gabriel and I came up with the same 'five words' though the rest of the content, and the music itself is completely different, in my understanding of copyright law, there is absolutely no case, so even if I had consciously 'lifted' the terms from Peter Gabriel, to me and probably to Peter gabriel the similarities are meaningless. Also if Peter Claims to have 'come up with the concept' the man who told it to me so long ago got there before he did, so maybe that person should sue Peter Gabriel for ripping him off?Whig, I see your reference in retrospect, but I didn't make the connection when you wrote it.And if anybody is fanatical on this site, I surely resemble it myself from time to time. I am pretty adamant about some things which a lot of people don't see eye to eye with me on.g_w, I didn't take it personal, and everyone is welcome to their opinions, I just find the choice of words confusing sometimes, and if I feel I can clear up any misunderstandings, I will surely do so.Any way, I don't want to fight about it, so if the fact that we use the same phrase bothers you, don't listen to my song, I don't listen to Genesis or Peter Gabriel, so we're about even.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on September 06, 2006 at 13:15:54 PT
museman
I never heard a Genesis song except the ones Whig posted. I don't know anything about the group. Neil played something of Dylans in his Flags of Freedom. I don't understand how all that stuff works. 
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Comment #42 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 12:42:12 PT
nuevo mexican
You share my consciousness.http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/music-is-essential/http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/who-inspired-me/
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Comment #41 posted by nuevo mexican on September 06, 2006 at 11:53:58 PT
Museman: Gotta get out to get in, better change 
your phrase a bit, as I am also a carpet crawling Early Genesis FREAK!Peter Gabriel and Genesis released a new version of the song, just 4 years ago, with the main refrain, 'gotta get in to get out' sung over and over again.Like the Beatles own the phrase'I wanna hold your hand' if you get my message and catch my drift!Not that Genesis is or was as big as the Beatles, but that phase means Genesis to these and many other ears, and red flags go up when someone revisits the exact wording.Save yourself the hassle, twist it, turn it, rephrase it, you are a great mus-ician, I'll be glad to help if you need it!Whig is just giving you a polite heads up, this is already a well-known song on FM radio unless you're under 30 years of age. Late Genesis sucks, yet this is no excuse to overlook the amazing work they produced in their early incarnations with Peter Gabriel. Whom you not doubt have some respect for, if not, oh well....even without Peter Gabriel, Trick of the Tail and wind and wuthering still stand as great examples of progressive rock at its' best!Anyone remember the one album wonder band TOUCH, who influenced virtually EVERY prog rock band in the seventies, as they came out in 1968. Just wondering! Yes, ELP, Tull, King Crimson, Supertramp, just to name a few!
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Comment #40 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 11:49:15 PT
museman
We discussed this before, by the way:http://cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21482.shtml
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Comment #39 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 11:42:44 PT
whig
I'll take your word for it. I'm still gonna keep my song, and wonder why no one has pointed it out before now, specially the Recording engineer who with all his gold records on the wall didn't recognise the similarity as well."Rock 'n Roll is 3 parts theft and 1 part inspiration." -Robert Plant
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Comment #38 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 11:29:06 PT
museman
The Carpet Crawler is about personal transformation, as is the entirety of the double-album it is from, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. It is (though some may not recognize it or agree) a profoundly religious statement by Peter Gabriel.Even the lowest and most depraved criminal is saved.That is the whole thing.
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Comment #37 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 11:27:25 PT
Religious nutcases
I wrote something last night that seems relevant:http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/09/06/rationality-vs-understanding/
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Comment #36 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 11:25:23 PT
max
Nope never heard that song. Yes the refrain is almost exactly-in words- as mine, however the concept wasn't invented by Genesis - I know because I wrote the song about something that happened to me in 1972. In fact the lyics to their song make no sense to me - perhaps thats why I never listened to them. At the risk of offending a Genesis fan, I think my song actually makes some sense about the concept, at least the one that I'm talking about.
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Comment #35 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 11:24:20 PT
Max
I don't know whether to think you consider me a religious nutcase as well.For me it is a way of communicating things that are uncommon, therefore no ordinary context works to describe them. Like the interconnectedness which exists between us and the need to end conflict, which is self-destructive and will destroy us in fact if it does not end soon. It is a way of appealing to the main alternative, the religious metaphor of the place. And I do believe that it is the same message which was being given thousands of years ago, that we can fulfill it by ending cannabis prohibition.But I know that not everyone agrees with me or my approach. So I don't presume to tell you that I'm right, only that it's what I believe.Peter Gabriel and Genesis are the foundation of my entire musical collection, by the way. If I haven't made that obvious in past posts.
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Comment #34 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 11:08:19 PT
max- oops!
I have heard of Genesis, and some of their music, but I don't recall any in particular, Genesis never appealed to me. Now I'm going to have to find that song so i can see what you are talking about
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Comment #33 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 11:04:35 PT
max-
Well first of all I have never heard the band you mentioned. Second of all, when did they record? Thirdly I agree -if I thought there was any obvious similarity to another song - one as defined as you seem to think I would have to reconsider. 
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Comment #32 posted by Max Flowers on September 06, 2006 at 10:57:11 PT
Whoops, now my turn to piss you off (#30)
I will ask this, doesn't it bother you that your title "Gotta Get In To Get Out" is lifted directly from the classic Genesis tune "The Carpet Crawlers"? As a songwriter, if anything I come up with reminds me strongly of someone else's work, not to mention if it had a six-word phrase that is exactly the same as some famous, classic rock tune, I stop, discard and move on. It's just a strict requirement I put on myself for originality. Maybe that kind of ethic toward avoiding being derivative is passe at this point. (The vast majority of younger music listeners today wouldn't know what Peter Gabriel-era Genesis was if it hit them between the eyes anyway.) If you hadn't even realized what I'm pointing out, then I apologize and say sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But I can't imagine you don't know... 
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Comment #31 posted by Max Flowers on September 06, 2006 at 10:43:01 PT
museman
From one creative type to another---don't even give it another thought. I personally find the guy (g_w) completely off his rocker. 99% of his posts read like the ravings of a religion-obsessed nutcase to me. But that's just me... 
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Comment #30 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 10:41:43 PT
OT: mayan-
This ones for you. The recording is over a decade ago -from my only 'professional studio' album. Just thought you might like it....
Gotta Get In To Get Out
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Comment #29 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 10:31:15 PT
mayan
From Time article: THE CLAIM: WTC 7 also contained explosives since fire alone has never felled a modern skyscraper. Authorities have delayed releasing a WTC 7 report to hide the truth. THE FACTS: A few critical elements--including damage on the south face, unusual structural design to accommodate a Con Edison substation, extreme weight bearing on floors, and long-burning diesel fuel leaked from large emergency generators--compromised WTC 7's structural integrity. The draft report is expected in early 2007.Sounds about as baldfaced as the DEA's "facts" doesn't it? Draft report still pending, five years later. Right.
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Comment #28 posted by museman on September 06, 2006 at 10:25:55 PT
g--w #14
Thats the second time you have both insulted me and praised me in the same comment. I'm mostly sure that it isn't intended as insult, so I won't take it that way. My 'soul' is not one color, neither is my spirit. My culture on the other hand is barely born, and the only racial distinction I allow in my reality is the human race. Musicly I have only one answer; "Well you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." -Ricky Nelson- Thunder and nails aren't in my budget allowance....which 'latest work'?...and you know I could go on.
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Comment #27 posted by Wayne on September 06, 2006 at 06:07:08 PT
re: whig
No, I totally agree with you. Anything gained by violence must be protected by violence. We do need to break the cycle at some point, or else eventually we will destroy one another. When I said 'revolution', it was in the sense that the American people in general are so clueless. And that if, by chance, someday the 'sh**storm' was made public and they believed it, I'm afraid we would see violence erupt from the public. Regardless, our media would never make it public, so I doubt ever seeing that scenario unfold.In terms of the cannabis revolution, peace is the absolute backbone of the cannabis culture and the reform movements, and I feel we cannot abandon that for any reason.
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Comment #26 posted by mayan on September 06, 2006 at 04:53:59 PT
Misc.
Pot farms ravaging park land:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/06/MNG77L01HA1.DTLPot harvest puts hikers in danger:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/dailyreview/localnews/ci_4293636Iberia police chief resigns after being issued tickets for misdemeanor drug possession:
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2006/09/05/news_local/117localnews.06.txtIn unrelated events, the mainstream media is now in full damage-control mode...Setting The Record Straight:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531315,00.html9/11 Truth Hits Main Stream Media:
http://www.mytown.ca/garger/Way to go, Bob Bowman!!!O Frabjous 9/11 Day: Truth Hero Dr. Bob Bowman Sweeps FL Dem Primary!
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060906001323260The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts: 
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0905-25.htmBurden of Proof: 
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/burden-of-proof.html9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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Comment #25 posted by Dankhank on September 06, 2006 at 04:45:49 PT
exit strategy on drug war ...
http://alternet.org/drugreporter/41037/
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Comment #24 posted by OverwhelmSam on September 06, 2006 at 03:11:09 PT
I'm A Parent
And while I prefer my sons wait until they are adults to use recreational drugs, I would much rather my children try marijuana than alcohol. 
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Comment #23 posted by whig on September 06, 2006 at 00:15:08 PT
zandor #15
Yes. It's all about profit. The love of money is the root of all this evil. The willingness to put money on a pedestal above even God. The pursuit of money over the concern for humanity, or even individual humans. Take advantage and spin, spin, spin. They need those advertising agencies, they need agencies that will lie to the people. They need agencies that will tell lies about cannabis, who will betray God for a price. They will help tell lies about war too.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 23:52:28 PT
Wayne
What do you think about the cannabis revolution? Do you think this is the way to avoid violence? Do you think there is an alternative? If the means of change are themselves based in force they will be ever holding power by force and repeating the same cataclysm. We have to stop the cycle.Toke for Peace.
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Comment #21 posted by Wayne on September 05, 2006 at 18:57:39 PT
re: mayan #18
That piece really is a shocker. Once you get a taste of the corruption in Washington, and you see it on TV every day, you think you've seen it all and have the whole thing figured out. Then something comes along and totally knocks the wind out of you. If people had any idea of how these elements are tied together, a new revolution would start. The Bushes, Clintons, Cheney, Iran-Contra, big tobacco, the S&L scandal, Whitewater, War on Drugs, Halliburton... it's ALL literally one big sh**storm! Hard to stomach, it really is...
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Comment #20 posted by mayan on September 05, 2006 at 18:50:52 PT
ekim
I think that show was this morning. Besides, Lawrence Wright blames 9/11 on gov't incompetence. He's just another "left gatekeeper."This is quite interesting...Press secretary to the president of Pakistan tells ABC Osama bin Laden will not be captured if he agrees to live 'peaceful life': 
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Press_secretary_to_president_of_Pakistan_0905.htmlConnect the dots...FBI says, No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11:
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.htmlReport: CIA unit that hunted bin Laden closed:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13699308/CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.htmlOsama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead
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Comment #19 posted by ekim on September 05, 2006 at 18:13:09 PT
npr onpoint has 9to10pm national public radio
author about why 911
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Comment #18 posted by mayan on September 05, 2006 at 17:02:33 PT
Enlightening, Yet Sickening
Dillon Read & Co. Inc. And the Aristocracy of Prison Profits:
http://dunwalke.com/introduction.htm
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Comment #17 posted by goneposthole on September 05, 2006 at 16:52:56 PT
The Drug War Gravy Train
As long as it keeps rolling down the track, the drug warriors will continue to ride."Railroad Bill, Railroad Bill never worked and never will. All he does is ride, ride, ride."It isn't going to stop anybody from imbibing in cannabis.You can spend billions of dollars advertising covered wagons, however, if people want automobiles to drive, you aren't going to sell very many covered wagons.Desire is 99 percent of the market. If you want and desire to smoke cannabis, any amount of advertising to the contrary won't do a bit of good.A nine thousand year history and a ten billion dollar industry can't be dented by an anti-cannabis advertising campaign.That's how simple it is. There is a huge demand for cannabis. It isn't rocket surgery that an advertising campaign against cannabis use has no real effect. It is totally ineffective.Although, the feckless US gov will continue with it's head in the sand attitude about it all.They can advertise all they want, it won't do any good.
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Comment #16 posted by mayan on September 05, 2006 at 16:52:29 PT
It's OUR Money!!!
I'm sure in favor of spending whatever we need to spend to fight the drug problem based on what I've seen." - Knoxville Rep. John J. Duncan Jr.Of course this idiot has no problem spending the taxpayer's money on failed programs."I'm scared for the drug prevention world if the federal government starts to cut back on their monies," Iroff said. "That's a major concern.I think he means the taxpayer's monies. If these dolts want to spend money out of their own wallets that's fine but I want my damned money back!!! THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job':
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770No Longer Buying It: 
http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2006/09/no-longer-buying-it.htmlHijacking 9/11:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/04/hijacking-911/Under Fire, ABC Yanks Official Blog of 9/11 Docudrama:
http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkprogress.org%2F2006%2F09%2F04%2Fpath-blog-yanked%2FExperiments to test NIST "orange glow" hypothesis:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Experiments-to-test-NIST-orange-glow-hypothesis.htmlMatthew Woodson and WTC7 (videos):
http://911blogger.com/node/2533How The Towers Were Demolished:
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.htmlNYC - 9/11 5th Anniversary Events:
http://ny911truth.org/events/5th_anniversary.htm 
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Comment #15 posted by zandor on September 05, 2006 at 16:07:01 PT
Silly people!
Can you imagine? 
They still think the drug ad campaign is about drugs.....lol Its about giving a big fat government contract to the same ad company who does work for the main party pro bono. Its how they get paid back. Nobody think those ads are for real do they? Its just another way to piss away tax payer money and pay back the rich for favors.
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Comment #14 posted by global_warming on September 05, 2006 at 16:06:28 PT
hey mm
I had a listen to your latest work,I wish you were a black manfor you have no soulYour words are "excellentI wish you could add some thunderI want to hear the sound of the "nailsPounded into his arms and legs
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Comment #13 posted by dongenero on September 05, 2006 at 14:55:45 PT
Think of the poor ad agency executives...........
I'm still building my new summer home in the Hamptons! We just need to give this ad campaign a few more years to complete contruction......er, I mean to completely realize our  infinity pool, er I mean complete success!
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Comment #12 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 14:04:57 PT
truth
Thank you.
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Comment #11 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 14:03:34 PT
lombar
How dusty are my feet?I don't know, but when I walk, and I do quite a lot of that, my feet pick up bits of earth and carry them home with me.
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Comment #10 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 14:01:09 PT
Truth
Thank you for the Clapton verses. That touched me today.
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Comment #9 posted by lombar on September 05, 2006 at 14:00:23 PT
Truth is the first casualty of war
"Walters warned. Mass media and popular culture with a pro-drug message need a counter message, he said."W:"If the public reflects a pro-drug attitude, why do you need to counter it? (Other than to save your own sorry ass)"While the administration bombs Iraqis into submission, they are worried that 'drugs' will 'destroy civilisation'. While our system overconsumes and destroys the biosphere, they would have us more concerned about our bodily purity... not theirs though. People need to wake up to the doublespeak and hypocrisy before this new 'war on terror' enslaves the globe.""I'm scared for the drug prevention world if the federal government starts to cut back on their monies," Iroff said. "That's a major concern."Why don't you chip away at that bloated prison budget? If jails were not the USAs number one (non)treatment center, there would be lots more money for voluntary rehab. When drugs are legalized/decriminalized treatment industry people should be taken seriously, until then, those that advocate JAIL are not worth the time.(shake that dust off your feet.))
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Comment #8 posted by Truth on September 05, 2006 at 13:34:34 PT
museman
Awesome....I'm impressed.
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Comment #7 posted by museman on September 05, 2006 at 13:23:48 PT
Just Say No
I've been waiting for a better version, but since I was initially inspired to write this song mainly due to Cnews and all- the time is now, today, in response to that one line that old Nan' spawned in the '80's.
Just Say No (to Thugs)
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Comment #6 posted by Truth on September 05, 2006 at 13:21:07 PT
Eric Clapton
Let It Grow
  ------Eric ClaptonStanding at the crossroads, trying to read the signs 
To tell me which way I should go to find the answer, 
And all the time I know, 
Plant your love and let it grow. Let it grow, let it grow, 
Let it blossom, let it flow. 
In the sun, the rain, the snow, 
Love is lovely, let it grow. Looking for a reason to check out of my mind, 
Trying hard to get a friend that I can count on, 
But there's nothing left to show, 
Plant your love and let it grow. Chorus Time is getting shorter and there's much for you to do. 
Only ask and you will get what you are needing, 
The rest is up to you. 
Plant your love and let it grow. Chorus 
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Comment #5 posted by Wayne on September 05, 2006 at 12:16:11 PT
how can they be so thick-skulled??
"Wamp said he and one of his sons have watched some anti-drug commercials and did not think they were very effective. He said he would like more study on whether they are achieving the desired results."Obviously if you don't think they're effective, then they're not achieving the desired results. It's a simple yes or no, you don't need another study to help you decide whether you're right or not!"'I'm scared for the drug prevention world if the federal government starts to cut back on their monies,' Iroff said. 'That's a major concern.'"For whom, sir, you? If the federal government backs out, it will put drug prevention back in the hands of parents and communities...where it BELONGS."Walters warned. Mass media and popular culture with a pro-drug message need a counter message, he said."If the public reflects a pro-drug attitude, why do you need to counter it? (Other than to save your own sorry ass)"'Parents have a very important role,' Duncan said."A role as what, sir? They can't very well play the role of PARENT while locked away from their children in a cage.
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Comment #4 posted by whig on September 05, 2006 at 12:13:48 PT
kaptinemo
I think ol' Zach doesn't realize that the current generation of parents don't even believe his bullshit.
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Comment #3 posted by kaptinemo on September 05, 2006 at 11:55:53 PT:
They still don't get it
"Wamp favorably recalled Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign. "It made its way to a slogan at the dinner table. Everybody knew what it was. I don't think that these (current) ads permeate our culture."Uh, pardon me for busting your bubble, Zach old man, but the kids have their own culture, that only barely impinges on your own. They recall the "This is your brain on drugs" nonsense. They also recalled the 'brainwave commercial' where a comatose person was said to be a cannabis smoker. Oh, yes, they recall that, all right. They laughed up their sleeves at that tripe back then, because they suspected what later proved to be true: THEY WERE LIED TO.But ol' Zach, true to his ideology, thinks that with a leeeetle more tweaking, they can get it right. Yeah. Uh huh. Suuuuure. While today's kids continue to laugh up their sleeves at you and your DrugWarrior buddies. Are you ever going to learn , or must you waste even more of our hard earned dollars? Wasn't a billion enough? The bottom is dropping out of the well, and the water's getting harder to find now, and these guys want to bail more out? 
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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on September 05, 2006 at 10:02:24 PT
they've got a point
It's true, having to buy weed for your father can cut into your own supply and decrease your usage.Since myself and all my friends that use cannabis regularly all came from homes with excellent father role models, I can only asssume this is what they're referring to.
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Comment #1 posted by Truth on September 05, 2006 at 09:13:19 PT
the problem
"Duncan is a former Knox County Criminal Court judge who said many young people came before him charged with drug violations or other crimes. Often the young people came from a fatherless home, he said."When are the prohibitionists going to learn that by locking up fathers for nonviolent drug crimes they make children fatherless and problems develop. My dad didn't get locked up for using the second deadliest drug known to mankind (alcohol). I'm glad he was around while I grew up. 
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