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Posted by CN Staff on May 28, 2006 at 08:49:10 PT
By Jessica Winter†
Source: Boston Globe†

Massachusetts -- Lyle Craker has a number of plants on his mind. An agronomist and professor in the Department of Plant, Soil & Insect Sciences at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, he's currently analyzing the active ingredients in black cohosh, which is used to alleviate symptoms of menopause. He is also studying goldenseal, a native American plant that shows promise as a treatment for some skin irritations, and exploring the possibility that certain Chinese medicinal plants could be cultivated in Massachusetts for research purposes.
There is another medicinal plant that Craker would like to grow and study, but in this instance, his prospects will be determined in a courtroom. Since 2001, Craker has been seeking a license from the Drug Enforcement Administration to establish a medical-marijuana growth facility at UMass-Amherst. It would be the second such facility in the US; at present, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, a federal agency, produces the only legal supply of cannabis in the country at the University of Mississippi.The DEA lists cannabis as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for abuse and no accepted medical uses. However, marijuana is unique on the Schedule I roster-which also includes cocaine, LSD, and MDMA (Ecstasy)-as the only substance that is not available from multiple independent producers for clinical research purposes.``There are two issues here: quality and access," says Rick Doblin, the Belmont-based founder and president of the nonprofit Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), which is sponsoring Craker's suit against the DEA. The government holds that its Mississippi operation obviates the need for a second crop. Craker and MAPS counter that NIDA cultivates a product of poor quality and does not make it readily available to qualified researchers, and point to NIDA's previous refusals to supply cannabis to two scientists with FDA-approved protocols as grounds for establishing an independent facility.On April 20, the Food and Drug Administration released a controversial statement declaring that marijuana ``has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." The outcome of Craker's case-especially if it reaches federal court, as is likely-could realign the terms of the national debate over medical marijuana. For now, the suit, which has the expressed support of Senators Edward Kenedy and John Kerry, as well as 38 members of the House of Representatives, is in the hands of DEA Administrative Law Judge Mary Ellen Bittner, who's expected to make her recommendation to the agency on the application sometime this summer. Final briefs were filed on May 8.There is abundant anecdotal evidence and personal testimony to support myriad uses of cannabis to treat symptoms of cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, and other ailments. As the FDA reiterated in its statement, however, scant clinical evidence exists to back these claims-or, for that matter, to contradict them. Paradoxically, the controls on official research of cannabis in America undermine both the medical-marijuana movement's efforts to prove the drug's benefits and the government's assertions of its dangers. Strangely enough, the case for pharmaceutical cannabis may, in the end, come down to good gardening-and may depend on whether the government is willing to give up its monopoly on marijuana.Cannabis sativa was once widely recommended by American physicians as a mild sedative, much as the popular herbal treatments valerian and camomile are used today. By 1937, however, the drug had been effectively outlawed by the Marihuana Tax Act. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics had aggressively pursued this ban with Congress, and cited marijuana's perceived popularity as a smoked narcotic among Mexican farm laborers, hysterical tabloid reports on its deranging effects, and results from tests on canine subjects.Punishments for pot-related offenses remained light into the 1980s, and President Carter favored decriminalization. It wasn't until the War on Drugs gathered momentum midway through the Reagan administration that penalties became fearsome enough to drive marijuana growers indoors-which, it turned out, was the best possible place for a cannabis plant to thrive. In ``The Botany of Desire: A Plant's Eye View of the World" (2001), author Michael Pollan has an epiphany while visiting a ``grow room" run by an acquaintance. ``[I]t dawned on me," he writes, ``that this was what the best gardeners of my generation had been doing all these years: They had been underground, perfecting cannabis."From the standpoint of both the scientist and the connoisseur, perfect cannabis can be achieved with unseeded, genetically identical female plants. The original crop is harvested from seeds, and subsequent generations are bred from cuttings. Characterized by the ``buds" from which marijuana derives one of its many slang names, these virgin female plants carry high levels of molecules unique to the cannabis plant, called cannabinoids. The two most well-understood cannabinoids are THC and CBD, which many physicians and patients believe can alleviate nausea, stimulate appetite, ease pain and anxiety, and lessen the muscle stiffness and spasms associated with MS.In the UK, the GW Pharmaceuticals company has a government license to grow cannabis under highly regulated conditions. At a secret location in southern England, in greenhouses that are computer-controlled for temperature, humidity, and light, the GW research team has compiled a veritable library of plant strains, with precisely determined ratios of cannabinoid content.The upshot is Sativex, a liquid extract of equal parts THC and CBD that is sprayed under the tongue to treat neuropathic pain. Britain permits the use of Sativex in MS patients, and the drug has been approved for marketing in Canada. Cannabinoids also have a presence on the US market, in the recently approved Cesamet, a synthetic cannabinoid, and in Marinol, a THC extract in pill form that the FDA approved back in 1985. But Marinol contains no CBD, and ingested THC is metabolized differently from smoked marijuana-the palliative effects take much longer to kick in, and the psychoactive effects are far stronger.Craker's intentions for a Massachusetts site are similar to the GW template: an indoor facility housing female clones, with strains made to order for researchers according to exact cannabinoid content. In contrast to the methods practiced by GW and by America's outlaw gardeners, however, NIDA grows the majority of its marijuana outdoors, under conditions that result in unwanted pollination and, according to some users, a harsh product. The Institute harvested its most recent marijuana crop in Mississippi in 2002, and stockpiled the supply in vaults and freezers. Cannabinoid content of NIDA pot is highly variable, and a THC potency of 6 to 8 percent is about as high as researchers can hope for. By contrast, Canada distributes medical marijuana to patients at 12.5 percent, and medical marijuana in the Netherlands ranges from 13 to 18 percent potency.``I've spoken to patients who have used [NIDA marijuana], and they've said it's everything from worthless to other descriptions I should not use," Craker says. ``The patient has to smoke one cigarette after the other to get any effective relief from pain." Ethan Russo, a neurologist and now a senior medical adviser to GW Pharmaceuticals, conducted patient studies with NIDA marijuana and reported, ``A close inspection of the contents of NIDA-supplied cannabis cigarettes reveals them to be a crude mixture of leaf with abundant stem and seed components.. . .The resultant smoke is thick, acrid, and pervasive."Then again, it's not in NIDA's job description-or even, perhaps, in NIDA's interests-to grow a world-class marijuana crop. The institute's director, Nora Volkow, has stressed that it's ``not NIDA's mission to study the medicinal use of marijuana or to advocate for the establishment of facilities to support this research." Since NIDA's stated mission ``is to lead the Nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction," federally supported marijuana research will logically tilt toward the potential harms, not benefits, of cannabis.Under these circumstances, evidence in support of medical marijuana tends to materialize as a byproduct, not a primary goal, of official research. For example, Donald Tashkin of UCLA intended to demonstrate via a NIDA-supported study that marijuana smoke increases the risk of lung and upper-airways cancer. But the findings of the study, announced this past week, indicate that heavy marijuana smokers actually show lower cancer rates than tobacco smokers, indirectly supporting claims by medical-marijuana proponents for the tumor-inhibiting properties of cannabinoids.At the moment, federal law prohibits pot cultivation even in those states (11 at last count) that have passed medical-marijuana referenda. In 1996, Californians voted in favor of the Compassionate Use Act, also known as Proposition 215, which permitted the use and cultivation of marijuana by qualified patients. According to the act, patients with a referral from a physician can obtain medical marijuana from one of some 200 dispensaries or ``buyers' clubs," which procure their high-grade stock from tucked-away farms and discreet greenhouses. Despite the ever present threat of a crackdown from the federal government, these companies are thriving-some clubs even offer their employees healthcare benefits and 401(k) plans-and have created a market for medical marijuana.``For evidence in support of the healthy competition fostered by a marketplace economy, you need only to look at the quality of marijuana available in California," says Mark Blumenthal, who directs the nonprofit American Botanical Council of Austin, Texas. ``Pluralism and economic competition are good for the consumer. We generally don't allow and empower monopolies in our culture-it's contrary to the tenets of our economic system."The invocation of a government monopoly on marijuana helps to explain the strange bedfellows on the pro-cannabis side of this issue. The conservative historian Richard Brookhiser and the late Reagan aide Lyn Nofziger both spoke out in favor of medical marijuana, and supporters of Craker's suit against the DEA include not only several nurses' associations and the United Methodist Church but Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and a staunch defender of small government and an unfettered free market.``The use of controlled substances for legitimate research purposes is well-established, and has yielded a number of miracle medicines widely available to patients and doctors," Norquist wrote in his letter of support. ``This case should be no different. It's in the public interest to end the government monopoly on marijuana legal for research."Given Norquist's many successes on the lobbying circuit, perhaps all medical marijuana needs is a new pitch man.Jessica Winter is a freelance journalist in New York. She writes for The Village Voice, the Guardian (UK), Time Out London, and other publications. Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company Source: Boston Globe (MA)Author:   Jessica WinterPublished: May 28, 2006Copyright: 2006 Globe Newspaper CompanyContact: letter globe.comWebsite: http://www.boston.com/globe/Related Articles & Web Site:MAPShttp://www.maps.org/ FDA's Weed Warhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21818.shtml Growing Pot for Sciencehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21603.shtml

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Comment #316 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 20:00:02 PT
Whig
That looks nice but I don't have anyway to do anything like that. I'm sorry.
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Comment #315 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:51:11 PT
FoM
Yeah it's not really something we can do because the software has to support it. Something like WordPress:http://wordpress.org/I'm not saying you should change software I'm just saying that there is good software out there for this kind of thing that has advanced a lot in the past few years.
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Comment #314 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 19:47:20 PT
whig 
I think I understand but I don't know how to do that. This program isn't that sophiscated. I can add a comment from any article like this. If we have a big thread all you have to do is add the # and number behind the url and it will bring up the comment you want seen.http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21806.shtml#1
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Comment #313 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:45:34 PT
Blogs v CNews
This is sort of an old-school discussion board like Slashdot which is a kind of island that people have to specifically visit to read. The blogosphere is this whole interlinking network of cross-postings and interblog conversations that creates a huge community. And I can tell you that from reading those on the "progressive blogosphere" cannabis is something they agree with us very strongly, but we aren't linked in to them here.
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Comment #312 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:41:14 PT
Trackbacks
It's when someone on another blog quotes your blog and links back, and the software on your blog links to their post reciprocally. It makes sort of cross-blog conversations possible.
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Comment #311 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 19:38:27 PT
Whig
What are trackbacks?
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Comment #310 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:37:16 PT
Different
Found something.Less cerebral, more funny. I like it.Not as good for coherent posts though.I hope my wife feels better.Thank God for good friends.
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Comment #309 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:34:26 PT
FoM
Oh, I see what you mean. Like Slashdot.I wish we could have trackbacks and other bloggy features so people would link back here. I think this is the absolute best place on the net for people to find out about cannabis issues and also the community is so good and so caring that it cannot help but bring us a lot of friends from the rest of the blogosphere.
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Comment #308 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 19:30:22 PT
Whig
When I post an article I pick where to put it. Medical goes into a Medical archive. Justice goes into a Justice archive. Here is NORML's archive. If you click on the NORML icon when you access an article off this link it will take you back to this archive.http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/list/NORML.shtml
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Comment #307 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:09:34 PT
Oops
Wrong link. Though the link in the posting below is interesting, too, about Zarqawi so OT.Here's the Parkinson's link:http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14739.shtml
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Comment #306 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 19:07:42 PT
FoM
CNews search works better than using Google. Thanks. I'm not sure what icon you mean though.CNews article on Cannabis and Parkinson's (same text as the source I found, but it's been discussed here):http://tinyurl.com/g2v94
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Comment #305 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 13:38:37 PT
Whig
This is a search tool for CNews. If someone wants to document anything this would be a good way to begin.http://www.cannabisnews.com/search/You can set it to bring more up articles on a particular search word. We can search CNews using my web site: http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/I often search thru the archives that can be accessed by clicking the icon in each article. I wasn't sure if you knew this stuff.http://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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Comment #304 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 13:30:30 PT
Parkinson's too, indeed
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/11_14_02czechmj.cfm
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Comment #303 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 13:19:46 PT
FoM
I'm not surprised at all and we really should have an index with every condition that they've studied and be able to let people find the articles about that. It really is the tree of life and no joke. It won't heal a broken bone for sure but it will help with pain even then, and for most diseases it will provide some benefit to help the body heal itself.
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Comment #302 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 13:16:26 PT
Whig
Here are two articles tht might be interesting.Marijuana Ingredient May Help Alzheimer's: 
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20276.shtmlMarijuana May Block Alzheimer's: 
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20269.shtml
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Comment #301 posted by whig on June 08, 2006 at 13:12:41 PT
Paul
I'll bet you're right that cannabis can help Parkinson's and probably Alzheimer's too. I'd like to see if there's any confirming research out there.
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Comment #300 posted by FoM on June 08, 2006 at 13:05:41 PT
Hello Paul
I'm so glad you check in and share what you are doing. Please be careful. 
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Comment #299 posted by paulpeterson on June 08, 2006 at 12:40:12 PT
FoM
Just checking in again. Yesterday I visited Sioux City, Iowa again (about 60 miles away-they have TV stations there) and found out my new judge is from Sioux City. I have already requested a change in venue to the big city. I also presented my decriminalization ordinance to Woodbury County Bd. of Supervisors but they won't let me know when or if they will place it on the agenda. Of course, I have already visited two TV stations to discuss my proposals with them. One station, KTIV Channel 4, already had April, the camera lady, take about an hour of film in Storm Lake, back in January (even before the boy without a coat case developed). I saw April yesterday, in fact, and said hello. The "scheduler" actually listened to me for about 30 minutes and told me, in fact, that April has asked her a couple of times what they were going to do with Pauly's story (that would be me).I did a few good articles about "neurogenesis", the production of new brain cells, which is greatly encouraged by strong cannabinoids, such as HU 210 (from Canadian rats that were cured from anxiety and depression, recall from last November). The astounding thing is, from "Seed Magazine" Feb-Mar issue, 2006, a guy from NeuroNova (Sweden) has found a "clandestine" drug that was able to cure a rat of Parkinson's disease in 5 weeks-from neurogenesis. He stated that the drug has NO TOXICITY and has already been approved for use in humans in "unrelated conditions" meaning that human trials will begin rapidly.Hmmm. Anybody know any drugs with "no toxicity"? I'm betting it is MARINOL, the very drug produced in Illinios, which is why the Illinois MM bill was left on the books through the dark ages after Reagan's storm troopers stopped the treatment with cannabis program in Illinois which was active from at least 1978-1984. Marinol, the very drug that caused me to lose my law license, because I had DEA support to produce a green pill in 2001. Because I lobbied the asshole governor Ryan for his support, his drug company king-pin friends at Abbott Labs squashed me like a bug-they didn't want anybody competing with Marinol, produced by "Unimed", now by some other company.That, in my opinion, is why the guy won't divulge the name of his "clandestine" drug that will cure Parkinson's. Because he won't get anywhere fast, if people learn that it is good old THC in a pill. And back to the concept of "neurogenesis". It stops when people are placed in cages like dogs. That is why early scientists couldn't find any evidence in monkeys to support the theory. They had the monkeys living in cages like criminals. Anxiety & depression stop brains from evolving. Taking away cannabis stops brains from evolving.And by the way, last month, a pedestrian in my home town was stopped on what they call a "pedestrian check". At 2 pm in the afternoon. No probable cause, in my opinion. That is why they called it a "pedestrian check". Because they found pot in his pockets, of course no one will argue for him, because the ends justified the means. That means, of course, that he is now in a cage, being deprived of his medicine, which was probably relieving some anxiety or depression. I have done a long editorial for both papers in town. Maybe the TV guys will cover that story as well (I hope).Oh well, life goes on, here behind enemy lines. PAUL PETERSON
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Comment #298 posted by afterburner on June 05, 2006 at 22:29:24 PT
Curiouser and Curiouser
Top Ten Contributors to California Propositions.
Prop. 36 -- Drugs. Probation and Treatment Program
http://tinyurl.com/lx9p7[ http://www.calvoter.org/voter/elections/archive/2000/-general/propositions/topten.html#36 ]remove hyphen for original link.Here's where John Walters & Calvina Fay get that we were just so outspent talk.
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Comment #297 posted by Hope on June 05, 2006 at 12:53:21 PT
Tashkin has betrayed the "crew".
I hope they don't break him and force him into some sort of recant.
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Comment #296 posted by Hope on June 05, 2006 at 12:51:59 PT
The "Partnership"
is definitely part of the "crew"."Hateful, deceiving, greedy, conniving, controling, abusive low lives is what I perceive them and their "crew" as. They and their "crew" have been and are "without mercy". Wonder what's going to become of them? I don't want to be standing beside any of them when it all finally comes down.Pray for them? Oooooh my. That's hard. It can be done, though.It's taking a lot of ants to "move" this "rubber tree plant"...but man...it's moving.
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Comment #295 posted by Hope on June 05, 2006 at 12:44:01 PT
If they don't control history, too....
The Semblars, and all their "crew" will be a very ugly, dark blot on it.
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Comment #294 posted by FoM on June 05, 2006 at 11:36:21 PT
afterburner
Thank you for the link.
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Comment #293 posted by afterburner on June 05, 2006 at 10:52:24 PT
RE #155 FoM
Partnership for a Drug Free America:
Sources of Funding from 1988-91: 
Extracted from Federal Tax Returns 
(figures are approximate) 
PROVIDED BY Washington Hemp Education Network 
http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/library/pdfa1.htm
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Comment #292 posted by Hope on June 04, 2006 at 20:00:51 PT
Welcome back, Whig.
We missed you.
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Comment #291 posted by FoM on June 04, 2006 at 18:54:07 PT
gloovins 
Thank you. At 10 a new series on the History Channel is starting. I have been watching the previews and it looks good. It's called Revolution. Looking back helps me understand how we got here from there.
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Comment #290 posted by gloovins on June 04, 2006 at 18:44:46 PT
opps
Soft Parade
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Comment #289 posted by gloovins on June 04, 2006 at 18:42:44 PT
Well, The Sof Parade was in my CD rotisserie
Did I spell that right ? ... & I thought - I wanted to comment how long this thread has become & that favorite song of mine came on & .....so apt to my posting flowing from me...My hat is eternally off to you for running a class act website.That....is priceless. ;)
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Comment #288 posted by FoM on June 04, 2006 at 18:36:50 PT
whig 
That's ok. I like online conversations too. We really had a great time. We really like Mrs. Whig too.
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Comment #287 posted by FoM on June 04, 2006 at 18:34:38 PT
gloovins
That was very nice. Thank you.
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Comment #286 posted by gloovins on June 04, 2006 at 18:30:50 PT
This song & lyric embody you FoM...
There weill never be another onehere will never be, another one like youThere will never be, another one who canDo the things you do, ohWill you give another chance? , will you try, little try?Please stop and you remember,We were together, anyway, all rightAnd if you have a certain evenin, you could lend to meId give it all right back to you, a how it has to be with youI know your moves and your mindAnd your mind ... --- Jim Morrisonrest   http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/doors/shamans+blues_20042753.htmlFoM mutual love to you & all the readers, -- the TRUE readers of CN, my respect & dignity to you all..
A party w/ a message unlike demopublicans
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Comment #285 posted by whig on June 04, 2006 at 18:28:50 PT
FoM
Sorry for the confusion then. I like online conversations a lot for one reason that I don't have to remember things exactly I can just read it again. But it's awfully nice to be able to just sit and talk too. I got your e-mail too btw.
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Comment #284 posted by FoM on June 04, 2006 at 16:29:13 PT
Whig
You got mail.
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Comment #283 posted by FoM on June 04, 2006 at 16:23:17 PT
Whig
Welcome back. No I am not paying a monthly fee. You must have misunderstood me. We had a great time too.
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Comment #282 posted by whig on June 04, 2006 at 16:06:12 PT
FoM and all
I'm back home, but haven't nearly begun to catch up on the goings on here and the discussion since last Wednesday.Thanks to FoM and Stick for your hospitality. Mrs. Whig and I had a great time visiting and it was nice to get to know you in person. Since I found out you're paying a monthly hosting fee for CNews I'd really like to make a donation to help, but I want to make sure I do it the right way so it gets to you.I'll have more to post soon, I need to get unpacked and relax awhile.
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Comment #281 posted by FoM on June 01, 2006 at 17:05:30 PT
runderwo
I'm sorry to read that you are having trouble. I always thought you were a Canadian. 
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Comment #280 posted by runderwo on June 01, 2006 at 17:02:21 PT
FoM
No, I am not Canadian, though given my current legal situation, I wish I were.
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Comment #279 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 23:40:37 PT
paulpeterson 267
It's good to hear from you. I'm glad you're safe and sound.
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Comment #278 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 23:38:54 PT
271 Mr. and Mrs. Whig...nice people.
Good!Wonderful.
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Comment #277 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 18:40:10 PT
Light
Eternal LightCan FilllOur Souls'We can change This World,
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Comment #276 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 18:23:23 PT
say nothing
in=n this placeJudasAre you aliveHave you found a place yet
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Comment #275 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 18:14:03 PT
pressing
a little morewonderwhy changeis difficult,
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Comment #274 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 17:57:13 PT
In To This Everlasting World
We are so on the same pageYour 'clay footHas been forgiven,Your bad foot,Is Kith and Kin,Your AttentionMay be costly,..
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Comment #273 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 17:46:53 PT
re: new days
Hope has filled my heart,
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Comment #272 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 17:25:55 PT
is it still acceptable
to "cross" your face and body?Old Jesus,Is currently hanging on that cross,It is a few hours,When a 'new day awakens'
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Comment #271 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 17:09:26 PT
museman 
I'm glad you are feeling a little better. Kidney infections are very serious as you know. I want to say we met Mr. and Mrs. Whig today. We had a great time. They will be gone a few days and then Whig will be back on CNews. It was a very enjoyable day.
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Comment #270 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 16:28:58 PT
Let Me Off Uptown
Imagine, a mere 60 years ago,They were drunk on alcohol,Art and humansThey knew better..?I is their children,Here I am,That old 'boomer,Who looks to LawAnd Bargained Agreements,For the last wars that promised,That promised an end to wars,I am paying my taxes"It is time to collect on those promises,
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Comment #269 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 16:13:58 PT
Just Gettings
In The Mood,
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Comment #268 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 16:08:17 PT
just listening
Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree (with Anyone Else but Me)Written by Lew Brown, Charles Tobias and Sam H. SteptLyrics as recorded in New York City on February 18, 1942 by Glenn Miller 
and His Orchestra (two months after the attack on Pearl Harbor). {male vocals}
Don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me
Anyone else but me, anyone else but me
No! No! No!
Don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me
Till I come marchin' homeDon't go walkin' down Lover's Lane with anyone else but me
Anyone else but me, anyone else but me
No! No! No!
Don't go walkin' down Lover's Lane with anyone else but me
Till I come marchin' homeI just got word from a guy who heard from the guy next door to me
The girl he met just loves to pet and it fits you to-a-tee
So, don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me
Till I come marchin' home{female vocals}
Don't give out with those lips of yours to anyone else but me
Anyone else but me, anyone else but me
No! No! No!
Watch the girls on the foreign shores, you'll have to report to me
When you come marchin' homeDon't hold anyone on your knee, you better be true to me
You better be true to me, you better be true to me
Don't hold anyone on your knee, you're gettin' the third degree
When you come marchin' homeYou're on your own where there is no phone and I can't keep tab on you
Be fair to me, I'll guarantee this is one thing that I'll do
I won't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but you
Till you come marchin' home{all}
Don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me
I know the apple tree is reserved for you and me
And I'll be true till you come marchin' home
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Comment #267 posted by paulpeterson on May 31, 2006 at 15:53:41 PT
Long chain of comments here
Is this a record for people posting on one chain yet? Just thought I would check in as well. All goes well in Northwest Iowa, except the county board doesn't want me talking about decriminalization any more. Oh well, I almost got them thinking about thinking about it.More later, long live cannabis.com. Paul
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Comment #266 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 15:44:52 PT
sorry
Meant Dr. Craker with a "C", you know that rhymes with ..Right here in River City.
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Comment #265 posted by global_warming on May 31, 2006 at 15:37:45 PT
In The Meantime
Let us hope that Dr. Kraker has his good day in court, and that these times mark the beggining of true science into better understanding about this amazing and healing plant.
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Comment #264 posted by museman on May 31, 2006 at 13:14:11 PT
Hope-FoM
Thanks for the advice. I've known about cranberries since my first bad one in the 70's-not that I did much of it, too fast and too furious about my life, then.Actually I am now resolved to cranberries. Personally I like a mixture - crangrape. I have a problem or two with the 'health food industry' their reliabilty is just slightly better than M.D.sI am "all better" now, or at least I am back to my usual pain management routine.I'll be back....
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Comment #263 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 10:15:34 PT
M Simon tended to make me feel somewhat
"lectured". I'm not sure why.He didn't seem to just be sharing...but lecturing. That can come from zealousness. His apparent zeal in ending cannabis prohibition is admirable. One needs to learn to try to recognize and control the tendency to lecture adults as though they were children. I know I don't like it.
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Comment #262 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 10:11:30 PT
Plus....just naturally...
all of us here tend to want to defend the "underdog".We don't really "tend" to. We do.
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Comment #261 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 10:09:59 PT
"make fun of you"
Yeah, Runderwo.Ready?:0)(Of course we won't.)
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Comment #260 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 10:08:26 PT
I don't think we "lecture" each other.
Hope not.
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Comment #259 posted by BGreen on May 31, 2006 at 09:58:34 PT
No, runderwo, it's not even the same thing
You may have your own views, but you respect the views and feelings of the rest of us, and that is the difference between you and the banned one.Now, we ARE going to get together and make fun of you, but that's another story. LOLThe Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #258 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 09:34:07 PT
runderwo
I don't mind. You aren't promoting war at all or you never have. Aren't you a Canadian? 
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Comment #257 posted by runderwo on May 31, 2006 at 09:31:23 PT
A Question
Would I get banned if I stated that:- I agreed with the removal of Saddam Hussein as far back as 1991, although I believe a coalition government in Iraq will only lead to civil war and that our ongoing meddling has caused our own terrorism problem- I don't believe Bush is as big a problem for America as the federal legislature and federal law enforcement and intelligence community, and voters who continue to vote for handouts, entitlements, and Politically Correct activism measures- I believe there is nothing wrong with using cannabis for fun and relaxation (for greater appreciation of food, music and sex) without bringing in any sort of spiritual or political implicationsObviously I am in disagreement with the majority of 24/7 posters here. So am I done for?
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Comment #256 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 08:43:31 PT
Hope
I can only imagine. LOL!
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Comment #255 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 08:39:16 PT
Lot's of name calling in the world
There is a term used in this neck of woods to describe someone like Ted Nugent.I can't say it.
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Comment #254 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 07:51:20 PT
Hope
When Ted Nugent said what fast food was to him I went oh dear.He said a mallard is fast food.
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Comment #253 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 07:49:54 PT
Hope
Very good advice. When I was younger I got kidney infections and my do they hurt. 
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Comment #252 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 07:27:23 PT
Museman
Good to see you...and sorry you were so sick. I've been wondering where you were.Get well. Invest in a case or two of good bottled water. By a bottle of cranberry juice concentrate at the Health Food store. (expensive but less than 20 dollars and lasts a very long time and it RELIEVES and HEALS. For twenty bucks...no side effects...I'll take it. I do. It is VERY concentrated.) Color the water with as much of the cranberry concentrate as you can bear. (Start with a teaspoon and reduce from there!. Sweeten it if you like. Keep the cranberry red bottled water, mixed fresh each time, at hand. Drink five or six throughout the day for a couple of weeks. If you can brew up a little green tea concentrate to flavor that with as well...you got you a very healing and healthy drink there. Cranberries clean up the urinary tract beautifully. I suspect they may clean other vessels of flesh a bit throughout the body as well.Juniper berries (Sloe Gin?) are good for the urinary tract, too. Anti-bacterial, I believe.It's very good medicine...for young and old...as far as I know. It helps, for sure.
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Comment #251 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 07:13:11 PT
181
Spending five minutes with Ted Nugent would be akin to some sort of hell or torture.
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Comment #250 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 06:43:29 PT
Toker00
Thank you. I sure understand what you mean.
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Comment #249 posted by FoM on May 31, 2006 at 06:42:14 PT
museman 
It's good to see you and read your comment. Please take it easy and get better. 
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Comment #248 posted by Toker00 on May 31, 2006 at 04:34:01 PT
MSimon
His problem, like most all right wingers, is trying to serve two Gods. He admitted his love of money. He COULDN't admit his love of God. The right wing KNOW they are wrong wing, and this was one right wingers way of trying to get on our side, without saying he's sorry.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #247 posted by afterburner on May 31, 2006 at 01:25:56 PT
whig #242
"We aren't just having a private conversation, this is a public forum and we're really writing to everyone while acting as sort of conversational foils for one another to help us each make our points more clearly."Yes, the play's the thing and we are the actors. Our dialog is personal but it is performed onstage for the benefit of all!
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Comment #246 posted by museman on May 31, 2006 at 00:44:18 PT
al in all
Whew! what a thread! Sorry I've missed so much.I have to say that the evidence seems to be rather damning in reference to msimon. FoM, it was your call, and after all the direct and clear questions that were asked, I don't believe there were any clear answers to those questions by msimon. (I just wish I'd been here darn it!)If one is engaged in a discussion, disagreement is expected, yet actual communication must be accomplished at some point, or the discussion is a mere argument of vanities.Dissention is a healthy thing, but division is not. Particularly in our case; a solidarity when it comes to the draconian power regime that instituted, legislated, enforced, and perpetuates the prohibition of marijuana.We have our days too, when this or that event clouds our opinion and perception with emotion or pain. Some days the world just doesn't look that good. I oughta know, some days the tint or angle of my vision can even cause me to hallucinate that these fools are actually going to get away with the outrage.And then some days I can see solid truths that I could not discuss with my peers, being taken and embraced, and built upon my this new generation, the sun shines for a moment without burning, and rays of actual hope touch the earth.It's an ebb and flow.Just recovered from intense bout with a kidney infection which landed me in the hospital. First day without that pain in a week.Pain can color your thinking. Pain takes you down to some primal levels.Forgiveness helps those of us who tread a bit heavy
in our pain. That and cannabis.
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Comment #245 posted by Hope on May 31, 2006 at 00:16:04 PT
G'nite, Jonboy!
:0)That means all of you.I heard a funny commercial today. It ended by saying it would ",,,make you happy as a tick on a fat dog."
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Comment #244 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 23:02:36 PT
I'm Calling It a Day Too
I like ending the day on a good note. Talk with you tomorrow as long as God is willin' and the creek don't rise.
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Comment #243 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 22:59:18 PT
Hope 
Life is like an perpetual circle. Round and round it goes. It is fascinating to me when I think about it.
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Comment #242 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 22:59:03 PT
Hope
No, you don't seem materialistic to me, and sometimes it's hard to convey attitude in text like this so it seems like we might be arguing but we're just expressing ourselves differently.Sometimes I respond to things just because I think it's worth clarifying for others that are reading. We aren't just having a private conversation, this is a public forum and we're really writing to everyone while acting as sort of conversational foils for one another to help us each make our points more clearly. At least that's how I look at it.Anyhow I usually prefer this kind of public discussion. I can rarely find motivation to spend a lot of time just to express myself in an e-mail to one person. It's too much effort for too little benefit, unless it's just a quick note to make plans or something. I'm probably just rambling right now because I'm going out of town tomorrow and I have a lot on my mind. I should call it a night.
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Comment #241 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:54:13 PT
"A time for every season under the Sun."
That's true.
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Comment #240 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 22:52:29 PT
Hope
There is a time for every season under the Sun. That's why it is predictable to me.http://bible.cc/ecclesiastes/3-1.htm
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Comment #239 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:48:17 PT
Predictable?
How do you mean?
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Comment #238 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 22:46:41 PT
Hope
When you think about it life is so predictable. 
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Comment #237 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:44:29 PT
FoM
I agree with that.
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Comment #236 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 22:42:47 PT
Hope
I believe we are on a journey. Sometimes the journey is smooth and sometimes the road is rocky. We hit bumps in the road on our journey but we ultimately get thru those bad bumps. On the other side we learned something from the rough road and we can use it in our future. That is how we gain wisdom. 
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Comment #235 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:42:12 PT
Whig
I don't seem materialistic to you, do I?Material things must be attended to. But, I hope I'm not materialistic in the sense that possessions are more important to me than they should be.
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Comment #234 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:39:47 PT
 clear conscience.
"My concience is clear. That does not mean that I am innocent."
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Comment #233 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 22:36:45 PT
Hope
Maybe if you look at it in the right way, but no matter how good you are and how much you love God and do well in his sight, it is no guarantee against suffering and even death, as all the martyrs of history can tell you.We should do what we do because it is its own reward, not for any thought that it will be for our own (material) good. But in another important sense, there is nothing that can substitute for a clear conscience.
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Comment #232 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:35:21 PT
remarkable plant.
Indeed it is. I mean, I knew it was good, and seemed very beneficial to me personally, as well as other people I know who have used it...but I didn't expect all this. It's truly amazing.Thank you, everyone responsible for this research and this news. This is so much more than I expected...and I expected a lot!
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Comment #231 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:31:31 PT
I do believe
that "When a door closes ...a window opens". Or something to that effect. He gives us, perhaps, as I recall, even promises us, a "way out".
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Comment #230 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 22:31:20 PT
Hope 
Cannabis truly is a remarkable plant. So many people would benefit from this weed, herb, plant or whatever we want to call it. It will grow if allowed with very few problems. It would save people so much money and help their health. Why is it illegal? Oh yes and no one has ever died from consuming too much. That's quite a safety record.
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Comment #229 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:29:42 PT
I also believe that more is put on some people
some time than they can bear.They have to have help.
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Comment #228 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:28:17 PT
Everything happens for a reason. 
Uh oh. I disagree with that, too. I think. I'm probably wrong...but I think a little bit differently. I try to think, remember, and hope, that no matter what happens, "All things work to the good of them that love God."
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Comment #227 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:25:28 PT
#222 
This is so amazing.I'm rejoicing!
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Comment #226 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 22:18:26 PT
Hope
Everything happens for a reason. Even occasional disruptions. Helps us focus our thoughts sometimes and clarify just what we really are trying to do here (and what we are not).
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Comment #225 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:06:23 PT
Weed Control
Good headline. This time of year it will get people's attention. Lot's, I'd think.
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Comment #224 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:03:34 PT
I don't always know where the engineer
of this train is going. But I know she's the engineer.
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Comment #223 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 22:02:12 PT
Look at that!
He did, indeed, cause trouble.
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Comment #222 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 21:42:06 PT
Anti-Tumor Activity of Plant Cannabinoids
May 25, 2006Anti-tumor activity of plant cannabinoids with emphasis on the effect of cannabidiol on human breast carcinomahttp://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/jpet.106.105247v1.pdf
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Comment #221 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 21:22:11 PT
Whig
Wow. What can I add to that? I agree.
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Comment #220 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 21:18:16 PT
FoM
Cannabis is not the goal, it's just a tool. We want cannabis to be free because it helps people. It makes people be more comfortable, to have less pain, to relax, to meditate. It treats illness, both physical and mental.We as a society have a lot of physical illness, but we also have a lot of mental illness. Violence and war and hatred are all symptoms of mental illness. Cannabis will help to cure this.We want cannabis to be free because we want people to stop hurting, to stop feeling pain and to stop inflicting pain.If anyone thinks we're doing this just because we think it's fun to smoke pot, they do not understand that we sacrifice a great deal for this, and that is not something people do for fun. If we were only concerned with that we wouldn't need to be advocates. We wouldn't put ourselves out in this way, and invest so much of our time and energy and thoughts and emotions and efforts when we could just be relaxing. What we do here isn't always fun, but it is important.Cannabis brings us peace. Cannabis brings us closer to God. Cannabis makes us better people. Cannabis can help a lot of people that don't yet know that it can help them. People suffer needlessly for lack of knowledge.But for someone to say, cannabis issues are exclusive of all the reasons we want it to be free, does not make the slightest sense to me. It is as if to say, cannabis should be free but we do not care if people are hurt and suffer. But we are trying to end hurt and suffering. That's the whole point.At least that's how I see it. If this seems like a hidden agenda, well I wonder what motivates those who disagree with what I'm saying.Cannabis and war? It's a contradiction. But maybe some people who smoke pot and drink and take other drugs with it, never chill out enough to get the point. It's like confusing love and rape. They are mutually exclusive and anyone who doesn't get this is not worth trying to convince of anything. In my opinion those people are dangerous to any community I'm part of and ought not to be allowed to associate with us.
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Comment #219 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 20:56:28 PT
BGreen 
Thank you so much. What you are saying means a lot to me. I want to change the laws for adults concerning cannabis but I also know that I must care about what is happening because of the invasion of Iraq. People are dying as I type this. A war for no good reason. I remember seeing Shock and Awe and saw that big like mushroom cloud over Baghdad and my heart sank. I will never forget it and I thought we finally did what I never thought our country would do. I still feel pain when I see anything about 9/11 but we haven't even gotten Bin Laden. If I lost someone that day it would haunt me.
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Comment #218 posted by BGreen on May 30, 2006 at 20:46:33 PT
We weren't brought together by chance, FoM
That's why what we have is so special, and why I'm trying to preserve this great relationship that so many of us have here at Cannabisnew.com.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #217 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 20:39:10 PT
BGreen
Sometimes I wonder how you know what I am feeling but you do.
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Comment #216 posted by BGreen on May 30, 2006 at 20:35:21 PT
I wanted people to know this wasn't the first time
M Simon came to this web site, and that he was given numerous warnings to play nice. That's where some of the confusion lies.I can go to any number of web sites and put up with posters like M Simon, but I don't because their rantings make me sick.Cannabisnews.com has managed to stay pure, for the most part self-purging when it came to those who just want to destroy the vibe.Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. The powers that be are trying to infiltrate the peace movements in order to destroy them from within. M Simon was their poster child.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #215 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 20:22:36 PT
 BGreen 
Being the way I am this is very hard on me. I don't want to be mean but I can't take anymore hearing about Bush and how we are fighting a good fight in Iraq or anywhere. If I had to live with that tension I don't think I could continue doing CNews. I love doing CNews. I love all of you but I mean it when I say I can't take anymore about republicans or Bush. I have reached my limit. I do not insult Bush I just can't stand what he has done to our country.
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Comment #214 posted by BGreen on May 30, 2006 at 20:13:39 PT
To those who think M Simon was "misunderstood"
This was his way of winning our hearts and minds.He admitted he was a neo-con bush supporter, he's pro-murder and anti-peace.When we questioned his insane diatribe, he responded back with:http://cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21820.shtmlWhat a bunch of punks. Can't stand a little stiring.As if you owned the movement and would control who comes to your domain.When the right is confronted with a big tent problem they grumble and make the tent bigger. They win. The left holds purges and makes the tent smaller. They lose.Perhaps there is something to be learned here. Provided you prefer political results to keeping the movement pure. The closer you come to winning the less you are going to like the newest converts. Like Lynn Nofzinger. All the people you like are on your side. To win you are gong to have to attract people you don't like. Are you up to it?BTW check out some of the stuff I have written on the nature of addiction. It is a phantom meance. How many on the right (or the left for that matter) can support such a position with science:http:// Is Addiction Real?BTW as I ponted out earlier - I was very left way back. Left ideals are pretty good. It is the methods that have proved counter productive. Whole nother story.Now how do we make "Drug War Persecutes Abused Children" national headlines?M Simon didn't come here to join in and contribute, he came in here just like all the other lunatic fringe bush supporters to demand we agree with his version of "right," and chose to belittle us and chastise us for our belief in peace, love and compassion.M Simon WAS understood by many of us, he is the antithesis of 99.9% of what most of us believe in, and M Simon had no intentions of playing nice and respecting the views of the other cannabisnews.com posters.The neo-cons know only bullying, intimidation, lying, selfishness and will destroy any and everything to further their agenda.If you want cannabisnews.com to be destroyed, then invite all of the M Simons of the world to join.That will be the end of cannabisnew.com as we know it, and that will be the end of my participation here forever.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #213 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:57:45 PT
To Strike
The Blow,,That Sound that will be "Heard,Around this 'world,The Gentle HandIs Demanding,Much Less Violence,More Understanding,A More Better World,
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Comment #212 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:48:49 PT
this is 
the 'time
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Comment #211 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:45:44 PT
Though We Walk
Into the pathes of evil,We can defileOur 'footprints,In this worldIn 'this time
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Comment #210 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:38:40 PT
can this be?
True JusticeIn front of 'human passion,
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Comment #209 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 17:34:32 PT
whig #191 
La :)
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Comment #208 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:28:48 PT
Take A Breath
A Deeep BreathCast your Vote,If you can do this,Where you live on this planet,Breathe deep,Enjoy your place,It is youWho Lives and Breathes,In 'This Place,
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Comment #207 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 17:23:29 PT
RE #31 nuevo mexican 
"When the war is over, if ever, it comes home: 
and what will the soldiers do for a living? ..."Maybe Iraq is just a training ground for our soldiers to prepare for the lockdown of the U.S.?"I know most will only find jobs in the security guard/ prison industrial complex, so this is great training for them isn't it."Maybe we should start Veterans' Enterprises to engage them in some useful work helping to invent the future: hemp fuels and food, medical cannabis PTSD relief, paper-making, clothing, counselling, and more. I know that many here do not have abundant funds, but maybe we could get support of George Soros, Peter Lewis, and/or John Sperling. Surely, such a task would be more beneficial than letting the returning soldiers get sucked into the maw of the prison industrial complex, or neglected wounded unemployed and under-medicated. 
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Comment #206 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 17:05:43 PT
can you
smell that most natural herb,can you smell disease,
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Comment #205 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 17:04:17 PT
Had Enough 
Enjoy LWW and thank you for understanding. I really do care about cannabis use for adults and I believe in peace and I am not political. I want the war to end and a change in who is running our country but that is about all it is to me.
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Comment #204 posted by Had Enough on May 30, 2006 at 17:00:38 PT
Considerations
I thank you for considering my view of the situation.My day is done; itís been a long one. Iím going to sit outside for a while, the sun is setting and there is a gentle breeze. Itís time for the neighbors to hear Living With War, again. :)
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Comment #203 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 16:59:04 PT
this is a blog
Lady Fomme,Catch that drift,It is in the wind,
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Comment #202 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 16:52:22 PT
Had Enough 
I understand. He does have a blog. I hope that people visit it and comment on the topics he is into. I won't go to his site and try to change the direction he is wanting to go. I respect other people's web sites.
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Comment #201 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 16:47:04 PT
arguments
It is my corporeal existenceThat is experiencing,Convulsions,Such sickness,That judges , lawyers, Stand in the way, in front of God,
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Comment #200 posted by Had Enough on May 30, 2006 at 16:44:23 PT
on MSimon
I donít think he should have been banned either. Everybody has their own way of doing things that was just his way. I too feel he was misunderstood. All considerations should be given here. Everyone has something to contribute at one time or another.In comment #42 it stated.ďBTW I tell all my right wing friends that if the truth of the drug war comes out it will destroy them as a credible force in politics.ĒThis is an undeniable fact. It applies to other things/organizations/groups too. This point should not be ignored because of someone elseís political take on life. This can be used in our favor.FoM, Iím not trying to get you riled up, or ruffle feathers here, you have to make unpopular decisions at times, and stick to your guns. I have no problem with that; itís your call. This is what I thought. I just had to put my 2 cents worth in. I think we can use as many allies as we can get. Our souls will not be lost because we let someone with different political views offer their take on things. But now if someone is causing trouble that is a horse of a different breed. I didnít see a troublemaker here, I just saw someone with his own view and delivery of things. Iím sure you would rather me tell you how I feel about this, rather than just ignoring it. Thank You for my Space in Time.
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Comment #199 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 16:37:31 PT
gw 
I don't understand what you're arguing about.
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Comment #198 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 16:29:51 PT
the stars
twinkle over our headsthe new spring is arising,the new days 'morntwinkle,
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Comment #197 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 16:11:07 PT
Mr, Whigger
Has this poster advocated such matters?Violence, it seems this posters belief is an understanding of addiction, based on some traumatic experiences of youthful growth, some trauma, some violent experience, and many have been at the the hand of youthful and ignorant and violent parents, and friends,If 'we are ever to understand this place,May 'we come to this discussion,With the gentle hand of understanding,Understanding
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Comment #196 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 16:10:00 PT
FoM
"If I felt that cannabis promoted hatred I wouldn't be interested in helping to change the laws."If you wanted that, you could just call it Cannabis and Meth News, I suppose.
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Comment #195 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 16:06:16 PT
runderwo
Are you saying FoM should allow people to advocate hatred and violence on CNews, and that there's a hidden agenda if not?That sounds like an invitation for any kind of agent provocateur to get us all shut down too.
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Comment #194 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 16:02:47 PT
runderwo
Cannabis and Peace News is a nice name. I can't change it but that is what we stand for. Cannabis is peaceful. If I felt that cannabis promoted hatred I wouldn't be interested in helping to change the laws.
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Comment #193 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 15:59:06 PT
gw 
If you want to read more of what Simon has to say you can go to his blog. I don't see where most of us are in favor of bigger government, more laws and higher taxes. Certainly I don't, and I don't think you're on the fringes either. But you aren't advocating hatred and violence and so even if we don't always agree we're all friendly and peaceful together, and that's what I think FoM wants to keep this place like.
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Comment #192 posted by runderwo on May 30, 2006 at 15:51:49 PT
nuevo mexican
I didn't say I liked his pro-Bushness. All I'm saying is that it is unfair to only allow one point of view in the discussion. There is nothing wrong with being unfair as the site moderator can do anything she wishes (like you said, he has his own blog so he can post there if he doesn't like the rules). But the site can't both claim a neutral point of view on everything non-cannabis-related but at the same time allow it to be discussed only if it fits a certain agenda. If it's off topic, it's off topic.I would suggest changing the site name to Cannabis and Peace News if pro-war views from otherwise pro-cannabis folk are to be considered trolls and banned, while anti-war views are encouraged. That is the definition of a hidden agenda.I'm not complaining, I like this site and learn something new about cannabis and the drug war every day from the people that post here. Even if I disagree with the other politics that are posted, I continue to visit and post and mentally filter out almost everything non-cannabis-related.  I'm disappointed that this guy was banned because I found his cannabis-related posts to be insightful, and the rest to be no more irrelevant than many other posts here that are considered ok. That's all.
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Comment #191 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 15:50:16 PT
afterburner
I was going to say more about BZP actually but really it is not a proper substitute for MDMA at all, at all. That they are selling it as a substitute speaks more to the harm promotion aspects of the drug war, by taking a safer substance (MDMA) away people are driven to very dangerous and scary things. People will always alter their consciousness. If it's nothing else, people will sniff glue, and that will seriously mess up your brain.
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Comment #190 posted by global_warming on May 30, 2006 at 15:34:01 PT

re: 182
I agree, this banning was premature, the man had a lot to say, it might have been in all of our better interest to try to bring him in closer to our way of thinking here at cnews, Lord knows, I gw, who is also on the fringes of this group, knows better well, Now this bitter old fool msimon, proclaims his bitterness, and will try to squash liberals and democrats, he has my ok, bigger government, more laws, more taxes, if this is what you all want, then so let your children heft up that heavy burden, for many generations to come,
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Comment #189 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 15:30:00 PT

nuevo mexican 
I am the proud owner well I messed that one up. It is a very good CD. I have listened to the whole CD a couple times and it is a pleasant album. I don't find anything offensive in it at all. I will watch them on Larry King tomorrow. They should have a great future in rock radio if they will play their music. A few more albums and they'd be one of the few groups that will be remembered for years to come.
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Comment #188 posted by nuevo mexican on May 30, 2006 at 15:15:35 PT

Anti-war Dixie Chicks on Larry King tomorrow!
Sorry ruderwo, but Cannabis=love not violence, 
cannabis=peace, not war, 
cannabis=truth not lies.
bush=coke, not Cannabis....These facts bear themselves out when it is consumed with respect.'Everybodys' smoking, but noones' getting high!'
J.LennonThat line explains War supporting Cannabis users, for me at least!And M.Simon has a blog, that you can go to if you like his pro-bushness. We all respect FOMs' decisions, even when we disagree, she's usually 'spot-on', IMHO.FOM, I'm sure you meant to say you ARE the proud owner of the New D-Chicks CD, (you said 'not' inadvertently, I believe). Congratulations!Mine is on the way!P.S.
Now that the Chicks are obviously headed for Victory in the Media 'framing' war, (since they abandoned Country Radio for the larger Rock audience, w/people like those here and myself, who grew up on the soft rock/country Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Willie Nelson, the Byrds, New Riders of the Purple Sage. Even the Stones made Country safe and likable with 'the girl with far-away eyes').All music likely written with the help and inspiration of high quality cannabis, especially 'Panama Red'!Now that the Dixie chicks are gracing Larry King, will he put them on the defensive, with stupid questions or will he embrace their heroic actions, and show his support for what Americans should ALL be doing, speaking out against killing people for profit world-wide! Don't forget, the Bushes are big in the Mortuary Biz, something you WON'T hear about!
He is the 'death star' isn't he.Cool!Natalie Maines was born on the Libra/Aries Full Moon, with five additional planets in Libra! Wow! She's bigger than big! Conscious, as Full Mooners are, and Libra is the sign of Jimmy Carter and Ghandi, the peacemakers! No surprise there!Forget sell-out Hillary the reptilian, it should be Natalie, or Stephen Colbert, they have what some Americans' like Timothy Leary, Lenny Bruce and Abbie Hoffman used to be famous for, speaking truth to Power!Basically, the Chicks fired country Radio, and hired Rock radio, though you won't hear that said anywhere.I base that on the fact the the Dixie Chicks ARE and WERE the biggest selling Country act EVER. What were they thinking, GW would buy all Toby Keiths' cds?And now, their gone! Off to the Rock n' roll Hall of Fame!Unless Country gets rid of the RedNeck/beer-swilling image they adopted to get bush supporters fired up about 'Mexicans, gays, and Iraqis', or so it seems, this is a huge setback for this segment of radio. Is that a bad thing?The solution for Country Radio, Rock radio will give you FREE....Kid Rock, bushes biggest fan!!! HA! (I'm trying to imagine him performing country/rap/rock, someones gotta do it, why not him!)I can see it now, Kid Rock, the new Merle Haggard!
(even he's seen the light, people change!_
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Comment #187 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 14:32:19 PT

RE Comment #175 posted by whig 
"BZP is Schedule I in the US." 
I'm not sure what your point is, whig. If you are just adding additional facts, thank you. I knew BZP was banned in the US. The article is from UK, where BZP is apparently still legal. I am not promoting any of the substances mentioned. I am simply drawing an analogy to how substitution of fungible substances happens when the government attempts to ban one. When the US government sprayed paraquat on cannabis, many consumers turned to substitutes: hard drugs, pharmaceuticals, or recreational drugs (alcohol and tobacco or even coffee).
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Comment #186 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 12:56:12 PT

Free speech
http://tinyurl.com/lm9t5 Today, the Court took that very signifiant step, holding that "when public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens for First Amendment purposes, and the Constitution does not insulate their communications from employer discipline." This apparently means that employees may be disciplined for their official capacity speech, without any First Amendment scrutiny, and without regard to whether it touches on matters of "public concern" -- a very significant doctrinal development.So even if some truthtellers in the FDA or any other branch of the federal government wanted to speak out and say that cannabis is not harmful to health, for instance, they could be disciplined or fired for that unauthorized honesty.
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Comment #185 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 12:30:20 PT

nuevo mexican 
I wanted you to know I am not the proud owner of The Dixie Chicks new record. I really love the song I Hope. Go Dixie Chicks.
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Comment #184 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 11:39:56 PT

runderwo
If it is off the topic of cannabis to talk about peace and love, then I think we may have a difference of opinion what cannabis is about. If someone wants to advocate violence then I think that shouldn't happen here.
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Comment #183 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 10:54:16 PT

runderwo
When someone moderates a message board they make decisions and they won't please everyone. He has a blog that people can talk about issues he is interested in. I don't want go to his site and post and try to change the way the site is operated. That is rude to do. We are the way we are are. 
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Comment #182 posted by runderwo on May 30, 2006 at 10:08:34 PT

gloovins
*** "I think banning M Simon may have been pre-mature but nevertheless he was on an agenda trip but aren't we all?"Agreed. I would have deleted the off topic posts just like any other off topic posts get deleted. We all have agendas. At least half of his posts were on-topic and I believe he is being misunderstood. Because he is for ending drug prohibition does not make him any less useful to ending cannabis prohibition. That's like saying that a lot of people who want to legalize cannabis for medical use want cannabis legalized period, and so if you don't support legal cannabis you had better not support medical cannabis. Same with a drug legalizer supporting cannabis legalization. I don't follow that line of thinking.Also, I think if pro-war posts are to be considered off topic then I think anti-war posts should also be considered off topic. Otherwise the site is passively pushing an additional agenda besides cannabis legalization, which is what FoM stated is not the intent.
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Comment #181 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:55:55 PT

Ted Nugent: Off His Rocker?

He owns 350 guns, wants to nuke Iraq and makes his friend George W look like a liberal. Now 1970s heavy metal star Ted Nugent has his sights set on a new target: entering US politics. May 30, 2006 During the private inaugural party at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2000, President George W Bush glanced across the room and recognised a man who - by his own account - has urinated on a nun, soiled his trousers for a week in order to avoid the draft, and been detained on a charge of indecent exposure, after experiencing difficulties with his loincloth in Little Rock, Arkansas. The President confronted him as a matter of urgency. "When he noticed me," Ted Nugent recalls, "he was surrounded by these huge bankrollers from his campaign. He literally swept past all of them and said: 'Laura! Look who's here! It's Ted!' Then he hugged me and took me by the shoulders. He said: 'Just keep doing what you're doing. Don't think that we don't know what you're up to out here. Stay on course. You're doing great.'"Like Jesus, Gandhi or Hitler, Nugent tends to inspire this kind of extreme reaction. He rarely gives interviews to the British press; the last time he did, some years ago, he managed what is possibly the most extraordinary achievement of his remarkable career - proving too right-wing for the Daily Telegraph.Complete Article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/music/story.jsp?story=693227
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Comment #180 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:48:11 PT

Yoga Helps Williams Find His Karma 
May 29, 2006 Excerpt: Among Williams's interests, at least in the past, was marijuana. In 2004, it was a positive test that led to a four-game suspension and preceded his decision to walk away from the NFL. Pot, he said, was how he tried to fill the void in his life at that point. "When I retired, one of the first things I did was go to California and get a prescription for medicinal marijuana," he said. How did he get that? "My medical file for the NFL was like this," he said, separating his thumb and index fingers about four inches apart. "So it wasn't hard. I don't think I've ever told anyone that before." His most recent positive test this off-season, for an undisclosed substance, landed him a one-year suspension and, ultimately, a trip to Canada. As has been well publicized by his new employers, Williams, 29, said he doesn't need or use marijuana. And in Toronto, he sees the chance to expand his happiness on a team that seeks to do good, under the guidance of head coach Michael Clemons, who he believes might be the male role model who has been missing from his life. http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/football/article/0,1406,KNS_321_4736955,00.html

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Comment #179 posted by FoM on May 30, 2006 at 08:38:31 PT

Thanks Truth
Now I'm listening to Walk Away.http://www.jamesgangridesagain.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi 
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Comment #178 posted by Truth on May 30, 2006 at 08:32:30 PT

Joe Walsh
I heard Joe tell the story of writing "Rocky Mountain Way". He said he was mowing his lawn in Boulder, Co. He would mow a strip then write a line, then mow more and write down the next line.For those interested, James Gang rides again this summer.http://www.jamesgangridesagain.com/
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Comment #177 posted by Max Flowers on May 30, 2006 at 08:20:13 PT

Great photo
Look at the stuffed-shirt little punk grabbing Leary's left arm. What a narc.
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Comment #176 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 07:23:25 PT

A legal medical marijuana garden in outdoor Quebec
A legal medical marijuana garden in outdoor Quebec, Summer 2005, Part 3.
Running Time: 11 min. 
Date Entered: 29 May 2006 
http://www.pot.tv/ram/pottvshowse4257.ramCheck out this smile 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Leary-DEA.jpg
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Comment #175 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 07:19:06 PT

afterburner #172
BZP is Schedule I in the US.
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Comment #174 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 06:39:03 PT

Wanted: Real 'Drug' Education
US TX: Marijuana Muffins Eaten As Result Of Senior Prank.
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n693/a10.html
Pubdate: Sat, 27 May 2006.
Source: Charlotte Observer (NC)
 Excerpts: {DALLAS - Two students have been charged with giving a high school's employees marijuana-spiked muffins in a senior prank that sent 18 people to the hospital and triggered an FBI and terrorism investigation.}{Most of those sickened were quickly treated and released, but Rita Greenfield, an 86-year-old receptionist, spent two days in the hospital. "They were just thinking it would be fun to get these teachers all silly and giggly," Greenfield said. "I do not think of this as a prank at all. It has caused heartaches and hard feelings."}These students violated one of the basic Commandments of the Molecular Age: "Thou shalt not alter the consciousness of thy fellow man." Real drug education would teach this to students."The Two Commandments for the Molecular Age"I"Thou shalt not alter the consciousness of thy fellow man."II"Thou shalt not prevent thy fellow man from 
altering his own consciousness."--The Politics of Ecstasy by Timothy Leary
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Comment #173 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 06:13:21 PT

That Smell Oh That Smell
US CA: First San Joaquin Pot Club Closes Days After Opening.
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n694/a07.html
Pubdate: Tue, 23 May 2006.
Source: Daily Review, The (Hayward, CA)
 Excerpt: {He said the aroma of their product spilled out of the "club."}So, the smell of breweries, coffee shops, oil seed pressers, alfalfa dryers, farmers markets (fish, cheese, pungent meats, garlic, onions, roses), and even rendering plants that spill out of facilities is acceptable, but God forbid anyone should be exposed to the "nasty" smell of cannabis. [/end sarcasm]
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Comment #172 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 05:50:10 PT

OT: Unintended (?) Consequences
UK: Magic Mushroom Users Turn to Exotic Alternatives to Get High.
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n694/a03.html
Pubdate: Tue, 30 May 2006. 
Source: Independent (UK). 
Copyright: 2006 Independent Newspapers (UK) Ltd. Excerpt:
{Ironically, the trade has been stimulated by the Government's decision last year to ban "magic mushrooms", which contain the hallucinogenic psilocin, which had been sold openly through the internet and in places such as Camden market in north London. The ban left a gap in the market, with consumers and vendors looking for new products.}
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Comment #171 posted by afterburner on May 30, 2006 at 05:24:53 PT

Hope
They will sell the "Marihuana" Tax Stamps to anyone without self-incrimination. Most have been bought by collectors. Then, the State weasels will still charge "marijuana" "criminals" with an extra crime against the State if they don't have the tax stamps with their illegal cannabis. As you said before they are twisted, these state prohibitionists, warped, vindictive worms! "Welcome to the Hotel California" --The Eagles.Go Dennis Perron and the Compassionate Use Act."Rocky Mountain Way is better than the way we had." --Joe Walsh http://www.nysse.com/jw/lyrics/Rocky%20Mountain%20Way.htmlGo Mason Tvert and SAFER."The West is the Best." --The Doors.Go all you free thinking, rugged individualist states that help their citizens with medical cannabis. You are helping to unravel Cannabis Prohibition, a racist tissue of lies that is destroying respect for the law and bankrupting the states.
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Comment #170 posted by whig on May 30, 2006 at 00:10:20 PT

Forgiveness
Would you believe there's a Wikipedia entry even on this?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness
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Comment #169 posted by Hope on May 30, 2006 at 00:09:24 PT

Tax on Marijuana
If it was declared unconstitutional in Leary's case, as obviously, it was, why do states still come up with those stupid illegal drug tax acts to this day? How do they get away with it?Forgive me...but I'm about to give it up for tonight.You are good friends and you bring good and understanding into into my life. Thank you. I feel lucky to know you all.
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Comment #168 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 23:50:42 PT

Comment 163
No way! I'm not God. I can forgive, but I'm not so into forgetting when it comes to people who have shown themselves capable of harming me and are likely to hurt me in any way. Forgiving also ...for dang sure...doesn't always mean "trusting". If I can, I will avoid the forgiven, yet untrusted...if it's serious, from then on.I'll just try not to harbor feelings that hurt me, by letting it go...and forgiving. But that doesn't mean I trust them or like them or want to give them another chance to do a number on me.I do forget many, if not most perceived offenses...except the ones that are truly a danger to me or anyone else. Forgiveness is self protective. Forgiveness, to me, just means I'm finally able to lay down the anger and will try very hard,not to pick it up again.My concept of forgiveness may not be what other's are. Mostly it more or less means, I give up the anger and won't allow myself to slip into the murky water of hatred.I don't know. Maybe I don't have a really good grasp of what forgiveness is.
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Comment #167 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2006 at 23:29:17 PT

RE #164 
I with a friend also saw and heard Timothy Leary as a "stand-up philosopher" at Yuk Yuks in Toronto. He didn't get too many laughs but what he said was witty. Unfortunately, we did not have backstage passes. It was interesting to see the author of many books and some films and television programs in person.
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Comment #166 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 23:12:32 PT

Leary's case
My eyes are hurting from trying to read that at the Schaeffer Library. Ow.I don't understand it. Maybe I will on a second reading.
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Comment #165 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 23:01:04 PT

Hope & Charity
I kind of like how that subject works....I think what you mean by forgiveness is a little different from what I do, and so maybe we're talking a little bit past one another.You can forgive a slight that is done to you without it being asked. But the person who did it hasn't been forgiven in a larger sense, because his or her conscience cannot be clean of it. Nothing is forgotten and all is remembered by God, and each of us will be reminded of what we have done.But if we confess it straight out, and beg forgiveness, it is truly forgiven. It is to purge your soul of a stain and to go on. This is a process I believe we must all go through or suffer until we understand.
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Comment #164 posted by gloovins on May 29, 2006 at 22:55:25 PT

Leary's death is chronicled on this 
site findadeath.comTimothy LearyThis guy was as trippy as they get. A very unusual man, down to the very last minute of his life, when he wanted to broadcast his death over the internet, and have his ashes blasted out into space.I had the opportunity to meet him once, when I was working in a theater in Detroit. He was doing a tour as a "stand up philosopher." Before they booked him, my bosses asked me if I would pay to see him. Not having the vaguest idea who he was (this was 1980, and I was only 17), I bluffed it because he was mentioned in Hair, and Iíd heard of him. Anyway, they booked it, and only about a dozen people even showed up.Before the show, I was taking tickets at the box office, and a gentleman came in. I asked for his ticket, and was swiftly kicked by a co-worker, who hissed, "Thatís Hiiiiiiiim!" Whoops. Anyway, he was nice, and I showed him to the dressing room. I also will add that he requested David Bowie music to be playing at the time. I donít know why he didnít have his own, but I had to borrow my sisters Ziggy Stardust tape, and bring it in with me that day.I sat in the back of the theatre while he had a slide show of certain drugs he and his wife would take on occasion. Personally, I thought he was out of his mind. But then this guy who was in the audience, approached the stage. Leary was nervous Ė as the guy looked nuts. Big overcoat, long hair, sunglasses and walking unsteadily. He handed Leary a gift. When Leary questioned what it was, he replied, "A bottle with a hole blown in the side." Leary was amused, and accepted it graciously.After the show, I went backstage, and being the ever fame hag I am, I asked him to sign my poster for the event, which he did. The end. Thatís my Timothy Leary story. I should add that Learyís lecture made the front pages of the local papers the next day. Too bad he couldnít get the publicity beforehand.Leary lived in Benedict Canyon, in a modest ranch style home. Wanna see his mailbox? Course you do. In 1995, he was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer. I was speaking to Rocky Horror actor Barry Bostwick a couple of weeks ago. As I do. He had prostate cancer, and was cured. However, he still goes in for checkups all the time, and could not emphasize enough Ė the importance of getting checked. Especially men in their early 40ís. So take it from Brad, do it guys.Timothyís god daughter was shoplifter Winona Ryder. She supposedly moved in with him a couple of weeks before he died. It is said that she loved him deeply, and the two were very close.On May 31, 1996 - Leary was in bed, and he suddenly sat up and asked, "Why not? Why not? Why not? It was 12:44am, and the 75 year old died. About 20 friends, his stepson Zach, and his ex-wife Rosemary Woodruff Leary were with him. Timothy made sure that the entire event was videotaped.The informant was Donna Scott Ė Leary's executrix. I love that word. Hi, Iím Trixie, the executrix.Upon hearing of his death, known jerk Art Linkletter said, "You could only call it Ďwhat goes around, comes around.í Yeah, Leary really got what was coming to him. He celebrated life, lived to a healthy age, and was supposedly a great guy to hang around with. Art however, is a bitter twisted man, who wants to dictate how the world should behave. I'm really sorry his daughter jumped out the window - but if she didn't, Divine might never have become the fab actor he was. (one of Divine's first films for John Waters was The Diane Linkletter Story.) I hate Art Linkletter.Two days before Timothy died, he was approved for his final trip. A portion of his ashes would be shot into space, orbit the earth, then burn up upon reentry of the earths atmosphere. Findadeath.com friend Roger Sinclair provided me with this exclusive photograph of Learyís tiny urn. I donít know what happened to the rest of him. The space thing cost him $4,800 Ė and you too can have the same fun Ė if you go here.Trivia: Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had his ashes go out on the same flight.Trivia: How about those noisy neighbors?! Sharon Tate lived just above the cul de sac (cul means ass in Italian Ė and cul de sac means ass end of the street)Trivia: Molly Ringwald hates Winona Ryder. She claims Winona robbed her of her career. Personally, when I met Molly, I thought she was a skank.Added March 6 2002: Rosemary Woodruff Leary, third wife of counterculture icon Timothy Leary, died Thursday February 7, 2002 of congestive heart failure. She was 66. She met Timothy Leary at an art exhibition opening in New York City in 1965. She was working as a model at the time. The couple married in 1967, and were arrested repeatedly for marijuana possession. Timothy Leary was sent to a state prison in San Luis Obispo County in 1970, but his wife and others helped him escape. The two fled the country to Algeria, then to Switzerland. They separated in 1971, and two years later Timothy Leary was caught trying to enter Afghanistan and was returned to the United States. He was released from prison in 1976, the year the two divorced. Rosemary Leary stayed underground, living in Afghanistan, Sicily and Central and South America. She sneaked back into the United States in 1980 and lived under the name Sarah Woodruff. In 1993, she had her record cleared of fugitive charges. She wrote free-lance articles and managed the trust that administered her ex-husband's copyrights and archives. She also lectured college students about the psychedelic era. Timothy Leary died in 1996. Rosemary Leary was working on a final draft of her memoirs when she died. MORE October 2002 from Findadeath.com friend John Stamey: I didn't see this info anywhere on your Leary page, but he was busted for drugs by an assistant DA named G. Gordon Liddy. Apparently they became "friendly" and toured together for a while having debates about drugs and politics. Also, one of Leary's drug cases was where the Supreme Court declared the Marijuana Tax law unconstitutional.
Leary's case was a Federal beef because he was busted for failing to pay the $100 an ounce tax on weed. This tax was enacted in the 1930s; before that dope was largely ignored and generally legal. Legend has it Abraham Lincoln smoked hash for headaches, which may have prompted his (apocryphal) comment "I freed the WHAT?" the day after he signed the Emancipation Proclaimation.
 
Until the Supreme Court held Leary's position on the Marijuana Tax correct - that it amounted to self-incrimination and was a violation of the 5th Amendment - pharmacies had to display a current Marijuana Tax certificate. It's also been claimed that Hearst and DuPont both wanted to eradicate hemp cultivation in the US so the Hearst interests in wood-pulp paper and DuPont's artifical fabrics would be more profitable. The Declaration of Independence is printed on hemp paper and "canvas" is a corruption of the word "cannabis". 
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Comment #163 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:54:53 PT

Hope
I can forgive someone if they don't ask for it but should we welcome them to do the same thing to us again and again? 
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Comment #162 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:52:53 PT

gloovins 
I guess I don't think a whole day is pre-mature. I have to sit and wait and think and wonder what to do. It really shouldn't be hard to be polite and respectful of people on a web site like CNews. We give respect.
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Comment #161 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:51:17 PT

Whig
"You can't forgive someone unless they ask for it."I remember your saying something like that the other day. I disagree. I've done it plenty of times and likely will have to again.In those cases, the forgiving of them is for my own good, even if they never know it or care about it.
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Comment #160 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 22:47:16 PT

Hope
Here's the actual case:http://tinyurl.com/qwf3a1. Petitioner's invocation of the privilege against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment provided a full defense to the charge.2. In the circumstances of this case, the application of that part of the presumption which provides that a possessor of marihuana is deemed to know of its unlawful importation denied petitioner due process of law in violation of the Fifth Amendment.
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Comment #159 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:46:59 PT

You guys have got to read what Libby 
over at Last One Speaks wrote about that talk that Barthwell gave.It's so wonderful that Barthwell's audience stood up to her and called her out. It gives me hope that the people are just "not going to take it" anymore. People are sick of Barthwell and all of the other prohibitionists. It's.....heart warming.http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/
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Comment #158 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2006 at 22:44:46 PT

Hope, here are some Leary links
Timothy Leary: Uh, Richard Nixon called me -- I'm proud of this, Space Ghost -- he called me the most dangerous man alive, and of course, I tried to be as dangerous to him as I could be. Outsiders, uh, like me a lot because I've given the man fits, so I've got a lot of friends out there.
--Elevator - 'the most dangerous man alive.'
http://snard.com/sg/guide/?ep=03&fmt=0And Leary's Supreme Court case invalidating The Marihuana Tax Act due to self-incrimination.
--LEARY v. UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 1969.SCT.1512, 395 U.S. 6, 89 S. Ct. 1532, 23 L. Ed. May 19, 1969 CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/e1960/learyvus.htm
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Comment #157 posted by gloovins on May 29, 2006 at 22:43:59 PT

FoM
I think banning M Simon may have been pre-mature but nevertheless he was on an agenda trip but aren't we all? In that, I mean we all have (IMHO) a slightly different view on cannabis news AND cannabis (rec or med) usage by responsible adults.When the name of the site you run, which I love btw (hope you know that by now...!;)), is called cannabisNEWS -- it's not for personal, narrow minded, contridictory, intentionally-agitating posters so when such as M crops up, he is dealt with swiftly & accordinglly because he crossed the line but everyone's line is different -- thats the only reason it may have been a little premature but yeah, I do see your point I just like spice & sparks to flare up so we all eventually keep our eyes on the prize:REGULATION OF WHOLE RAW CANNABIS TO THOSE 18+ SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL (which kills, yet one can buy 100 gal.'s of vodka, no problem) & TOBACCO, WHICH MOST RECENT STUDIES SHOW IT VERY DEFINITELY CAUSES CANCER, WHILST CANNABIS SMOKERS ARE NO MORE RISK THAN AVG PEOPLELEGAL INDUSTRIAL HEMP THROUGHOUT THE USA FOR AUTO FUEL, TEXTILES, ROPE, INSULATION, ANIMAL FOOD, ETC (THERE ARE 10,000+)I'd like to just say to M - bye - go support Bush and be as happy as you can be.And if you can, go here : http://www.electricemperor.com/enter/how.htmlThat should wake you up, if not, keep on being you, for really, we are all snowflakes - some just flaky-er than others..;)Bye All---

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Comment #156 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:43:08 PT

Hope
Here is something about Leary and Cannabis.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary#Trouble_with_the_law
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Comment #155 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:36:10 PT

afterburner
I didn't know that about Colgate-Palmolive. A couple rent from us and he started working for Colgate-Palmolive. They work him very hard and they drug test all the time. It's not even a good paying job. 
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Comment #154 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 22:29:15 PT

Hope
You can't forgive someone unless they ask for it.That's the thing we're often missing in our understanding of how it works. We can forgive and move on, almost immediately, if someone comes to us and says, I did this and I was wrong and I'm truly sorry. The specific words aren't what matters. The genuine intent, the honest admission, the resolution that it was wrong and it should not be done and will not be done again.This is true confession. To not forgive then, would be wrong itself. Everyone does things they shouldn't. We are not perfect, but we can always strive for perfectability.Anyhow, I'm rambling a bit, but my point is really that forgiveness is a misplaced idea when people are engaged in deliberate harm. Some day they will have to ask Jerry's forgiveness, and I know he will forgive them in an instant if they would but honestly ask.When will that time come? Sadly, probably not during their lives. Few of us ever repent, and it is a hard road for the best. How much harder for those who have done so much wrong?
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Comment #153 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:28:07 PT

"not writing this book for us,..."
Leary was persecuted unjustly during is life...but I guess it's still fun for them, even after he's passed over, if they can make a buck off it.Whig, you said, "Let's not forget one of Leary's singular accomplishments, by the way. He went all the way to the US Supreme Court to overturn cannabis prohibition. And he won!"  Tell me more about that. I'm not familiar with it.
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Comment #152 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2006 at 22:25:22 PT

RE #141 Straight & Drug Free America
That's why I boycott Wal-Mart, Radio Shack (The Source by Circuit City) and Colgate-Palmolive. They are all corporate supporters of Drug Free America. I get some great toothpaste from India. Bye-bye Colgate! I sometimes window-shop at Wal-Mart or The Source just to get ideas. Then, I go looking for another outlet that carries the same goods. I will not buy anything more from Wal-Mart or The Source except in dire emergency or when the item is unavailable elsewhere. They need to get the message that their support for the Drug War is costing them business!
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Comment #151 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:24:07 PT

Republican Party
Just a thought. I have tried to understand the idealogy of the Republicans but it doesn't make any sense to me. I am a person who must find some logic in issues. I like to connect dots and look down the road as to what the end result might be. Usually I find more then one way but what is right? I'm still not sure but Republicans lack something essential in my mind. They seem to look at our country as a me or them type thinking. Me is very important and they are not. I don't get that.
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Comment #150 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:22:44 PT

The spirit of Timothy Leary will always live on
Indeed.The "most dangerous man in America"? Pshaw!!! That's so outrageous.
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Comment #149 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 22:18:38 PT

Disrespectful Biography
Robert Greenfield's biography of Timothy Leary promises to be a disrespectful telling of a very significant life. His exerpted text is filled with catty little put-downs that signal his intention very clearly. It isn't the question of whether it is "authorized" or not, because someone can do a very respectful book about someone without the estate being involved at all. It's about the authorial perspective and the intended audience. Greenfield is not writing this book for us, but for a "mainstream" that is encouraged to detest us.Let's not forget one of Leary's singular accomplishments, by the way. He went all the way to the US Supreme Court to overturn cannabis prohibition. And he won!Then they passed a new law, the odious CSA.But for a shining moment, cannabis was legal, and it is one accomplishment few people remember of Timothy Leary.
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Comment #148 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:14:54 PT

Comment 146
:0)That would truly be lovely. I just don't see how I could do it...but I will sure be thinking about you guys.
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Comment #147 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:13:40 PT

The Semblers alone
are enough reason to distrust the Republican party. 
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Comment #146 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:13:04 PT

Hope
Here's ticket information for the last concert of the tour. We bought lawn tickets because of the expense but they have a large screen so we will be able to see. Everyone will hear for sure. If it rains well we'll get wet. Mr. and Mrs. Toker00 are coming up.http://tinyurl.com/fejt9
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Comment #145 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:11:48 PT

Together at a concert.
We'd have to play some musical chairs. I want to sit by everyone for a while.
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Comment #144 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:10:48 PT

Comment 134 Whig
I know you did, Whig... and I appreciate it. 
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Comment #143 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:08:52 PT

BGreen
There's nothing like floating around in the clouds with friends. Music does that to me. I temporarily depart from reality and what a blessing it is! LOL!
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Comment #142 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:08:38 PT

CSNY ...all of us.
That would be wonderful, wouldn't it?
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Comment #141 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 22:07:19 PT

Been checking up on the evil Straight and KIDS
this afternoon. It's still so sickening. I'm all for forgiveness, but the Semblers, Miller Newton, and the rest of their bunch sure don't seem to deserve it....at all! It seems to me like they should be in prison. They have purposely abused children and young adults, deceived parents and insurance companies, and they get away with it because they are hideously wealthy and "insiders" in government. They are horrible, horrible, criminally horrible people. All of them. I ran on to something different today...and also found that they even imprisoned young adults against their will and tortured them. They put a rattle snake in the mail box of a lawyer who was fighting them. "Dederich now deceased plead no contest in 1980 to conspiracy, regarding a murder plot to kill a California lawyer litigating against the group. A rattlesnake was placed in his mailbox, but attorney Paul Morantz, survived."http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000616.htmlWhy aren't the Semblers, Newton and every culprit involved in their abusive programs in prison? Why is Jerry in prison and they aren't? That's so crooked and wrong and evil. I can only think, because there is no justice. They abused and tortured children. They still do. Jerry watered plants. Jerry is in prison. There is no justice.They're still at it, too. They just change the name or pick up and move to the next county when they start getting found out.They are Drug Free America. They get huge amounts of our tax money through funding grants to keep their hideous pogrom operational. Calvina Faye is there pampered, snarling, snapping lap dog.Why can't they at least be shut down? Why are we forced to keep feeding the monster they have created?America, the gullible, God shed His Grace on thee.I want a miracle. That's apparently what it will take to stop them.
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Comment #140 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:06:35 PT

BGreen 
Yes that would be great. I wish you and everyone could come and go see CSNY in September. 
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Comment #139 posted by BGreen on May 29, 2006 at 22:04:16 PT

Yes, FoM, I know you understand
The winners I'm talking about are friends, you know, the kind that would go to a concert together and just hang out.That's our Cannabisnews.com family.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #138 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 22:00:00 PT

BGreen 
I think I understand what you mean. If I understand what you are saying I agree with you.
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Comment #137 posted by BGreen on May 29, 2006 at 21:53:56 PT

This is tough, but I'm certain of my beliefs
I believe that there is a very specific group of like-minded people who have absolutely destroyed my country and everything I believe in.If one of these people happens to have one moment of sanity concerning something I happen to believe, I'm not going to join up with and accept the 99.9% I disagree with just for one of my causes.It isn't going to happen.You people in control have destroyed all that is good, and winning will be all the more sweet because the destroying liars in charge will have nothing to do with it or us.Selling out is not winning. Our story and beliefs haven't changed since the 70's, and science has only strengthened what we've known all along.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #136 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 21:52:56 PT

afterburner
 What he believed is alive and well. It has expanded and grown but quietly because of the way they prosecute people. The spirit of Timothy Leary will always live on. 
One of these days we all will get together and celebrate us and who we are and why we are important to society and each other.
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Comment #135 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2006 at 21:43:25 PT

#126 Timothy Leary's Dead.No No No No.He's Outside
Looking In."For someone who never met an interviewer (or a drug) he did not like, this constitutes a sad state of affairs indeed." This author, Robert Greenfield, obviously never read Politics of Ecstasy in which Leary classifies all mind-altering "drugs" into 7 levels of consciousness. "Never met a (drug) he did not like" demeans the memory and accomplishments of Dr. Timothy Leary, once described by the US Government as "the most dangerous man alive." It makes Tim look like an indiscriminate drug abuser, which is not an accurate impression. Tim's mission was to champion psychedelics as an alternative to annihilation by nuclear bombs. Mr. Greenfield also ignores the fact that Dr. Tim self-admitted that he was an alcoholic before he "ingest[ed] magic mushrooms in Mexico." I would expect that such a biography maligning Dr. Leary's work and life is indeed an unauthorized biography. (We know how good those are, not!) Alcoholics do often have problems with relationships and with self-worth, after all. And the Free Love ethos of the 1960's made it harder for everyone of that time to maintain long-term relationships."ALTHOUGH MAY 31 marks the 10th anniversary of the death of Timothy Leary, there will be no gathering of the tribes anywhere to commemorate the event." I would go to such an event if I did not have to work, but what would be the point: maybe to meet a few fellow "heads"? It seems to me that the seeds of the Psychedelic "Revolution" are bearing fruit in the continuing efforts of people all over the planet to get prohibitionist governments and prohibitionist citizens to see the potential value of psychedelic experiences for health and spiritual growth.And from the snipped portion: "At a time when most people have long since given up believing that consciousness expansion can save the world, a small, unruly celebration would seem to be in order to honor Timothy Leary."Count me as one of the many world citizens who have NOT "given up believing that consciousness expansion can save the world." Unruly is a harsh word for the celebration needed. I would prefer creative, eclectic, serendipitous. Maybe a good old-fashioned be-in or one of today's flash gatherings. Any takers? If not, think about it. Maybe next year!
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Comment #134 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 21:41:20 PT

Hope
At your urging, I did try to engage him again, though I had done so before on a prior thread. I would give a person as many chances as they asked for, if it would not be disruptive to everyone else. Unfortunately it was disruption for CNews, because he came here not to be a part of our community and support us, but to convert us in some way to his own political agenda. That would not be acceptable to anyone here. We have our disagreements, but they are as between family members, not political coalition-building exercises. It is more or less what I expected and FoM made the right and necessary decision because we would hardly be able to carry on friendly conversation among ourselves if we are constantly being solicited by others. It isn't censorship when someone is a guest and doesn't respect the hostess and her other guests.
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Comment #133 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 21:22:14 PT

Correction:  Andrea Barthwell
Let the scales drop from your eyes.
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Comment #132 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 21:20:39 PT

Accidentally, of course
Andrea. Andrea.Why do you wish to persecute and harm people and then call it "helping"?Let the scales drop from you eyes. Is it really that important to you to be a shill for the drug war? I think not. I think you need the money you earn from being part of that particular misled or insidious...it's hard to tell sometimes (perhaps, both)...rat pack, and you have to make the house payments. I have a feeling you are all about the attention and income...but most especially, the income you get for keeping the drug war all groomed and sleek, and you don't have to get your hands dirty being an actual physician who gets in there and actually doctors people. It looks like you seem to be selling your soul for some filthy lucre type income. Since I've made a real effort, I think, to love you...I'd like to think you are a better person and smarter than your words and actions make you appear to be.I'd rather have a smaller house than make my living by being part of the those who wrongfully persecute others for they wish to consume a substance. Your soul doesn't need that big a house.
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Comment #131 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 21:06:00 PT

Barthwell got funny!
She blames recreational marijuana consumers who use the herbal plant responsibly and have managed to live full and successful lives for the failure of the war on some drugs.
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 20:45:51 PT

Hope
I wish he would have read and learned what we were about. BGreen calls us a peaceful community. I want CNews to be a peaceful community. Everyday we turn on the news we see more horrors from this war we are in. We know where we stand as far as cannabis goes right now. We know it's really hard to make any progress. In time if we see change we might see some victories but for now we are hanging on to as much sanity in this crazy world as we can find. At least that's how I feel.
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Comment #129 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 20:27:23 PT

oops....
See Simon got spit out while I was away. It's not like he wasn't given every chance to be respectful.
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Comment #128 posted by Truth on May 29, 2006 at 20:25:32 PT

Williams
They just can't let him smoke and play. It would show that cannabis smokers can suceed.
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Comment #127 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 19:53:20 PT

Ricky Williams Goes to Canada 
By J. P. Crawford, Staff Writer, TexanBlitz.com May 29, 2006Ricky Williams has been suspended by the NFL for the 2006 season, but that isn't going to stop him from playing football. Williams has signed a one year contract with the Toronto Argonauts and is now the highest paid RB in the CFL. Complete Article: http://texans.scout.com/2/535305.html
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 19:45:00 PT

LA Times: Timothy Leary's Trip
It's 10 years since the pied piper of pharmaceuticals died. Where did all the attention go?By Robert Greenfield, ROBERT GREENFIELD is the author of "Timothy Leary: A Biography," to be published in June by Harcourt Books.May 29, 2006 Timothy Leary's deadNo, no, no, no, he's outside, looking in ó "Legend of a Mind," the Moody Blues*Although May 31 marks the 10th anniversary of the death of Timothy Leary, there will be no gathering of the tribes anywhere to commemorate the event. Unlike Jerry Garcia, whose posthumous profile remains so high that the toilet from his home in Marin County was recently stolen after it was auctioned off for charity, Leary's name has not been enshrined on a Ben & Jerry's ice cream carton. For someone who never met an interviewer (or a drug) he did not like, this constitutes a sad state of affairs indeed. Far more than most of his psychedelic cohorts, Leary understood marketing. He came up with "turn on, tune in, drop out," the catchy mantra he's remembered by (when he's remembered at all), only after consulting with media guru Marshall McLuhan.Snipped:Complete Article: http://tinyurl.com/ks6yv
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Comment #125 posted by ekim on May 29, 2006 at 19:11:15 PT

ANDREA BARTHWELL SPEAKS 
Monday, May 29, 2006 
A report from the field
http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/
Disgraced former ONDCP deputy director Andrea Barthwell recently presented a seminar at a college reunion attended by a friend. It was so interesting I'm going to post it verbatim with some minor identifying information removed. It's priceless really. She blames recreational marijuana consumers who use the herbal plant responsibly and have managed to live full and successful lives for the failure of the war on some drugs.
ANDREA BARTHWELL SPEAKS ABOUT A "RATIONAL DRUG POLICY", WINS FEW CONVERTS. Barthwell's talk was billed "A Rational Drug Policy for Contemporary America" and the seminar brochure noted that "reunion weekend is a time for reflection and those who were at [the college] during the 60's and 70's participated in a great cutural change that was pivotal in the development of modern drug policy" and that the seminar would "examine the impact of the 60's and 70's on contemporary drug policy...as the nation has moved from the 'War on Drugs' metaphor to a public health approach, to prevention, intervention and treatment...", including, perhaps, Barthwell "recall[ing] her campus experiences", something of interest to my SSDP colleagues who asked I take notes on this point especially. The forty or so seeming boomer alums that came to Barthwell's seminar on Saturday morning may have been expecting the serious discussion of the issues billed in the program, but they were left disappointed and confused. Although the program format (and other seminars) seemed to involve about a 30 - 40 minute lecture followed by a 10 - 15 minute Q & A, Barthwell spoke for almost the full hour, leaving little time for questions, but insuring, as will be explained, that the questions were uniformly hostile or professing utter confusion with her talk.
http://www.leap.cc/events
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Comment #124 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 19:05:42 PT

Just a Comment
I really tried to be patient but I blocked M Simon from posting. He has some agenda that I do not understand. Life's just too short to spend our time trying to figure out what it's all about. I wish people would listen when we explain how we are here on CNews.
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Comment #123 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 18:49:41 PT:

NIDA
Let me note that the drug warriors thrive on confusing the difference between habituation and addiction.We ought not fall into their trap.
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Comment #122 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 18:39:12 PT:

NIDA
#119 whig,Ever read the Controlled Substances Act? The whole dug war is based on illegal drugs are addictive.Pot is habituating in the range of coffee. The withdrawal is mild the discomfort is minimal. It is still there.The addictive part is the problem. Why once people are detoxed do they go back to using?The thing is that if your PTSD (or other similar problem) is severe you need stronger drugs for relief. I have a lot of compassion for heroin users. They tend to be the most severely abused. Dr. Tom O'Connell has found that pot use eliminates or decreases the need for opiates.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/09/more-vindication.htmlIf there are no addictive drugs then pot is certainly not a problem.I take a comprehensive view of the problem. I do not believe in heroin gettos. Speed ghettos. Pot ghettos. We are all in this together. What helps on helps all.*
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Comment #121 posted by mayan on May 29, 2006 at 18:25:23 PT

Strange Bedfellows
The invocation of a government monopoly on marijuana helps to explain the strange bedfellows on the pro-cannabis side of this issue. The conservative historian Richard Brookhiser and the late Reagan aide Lyn Nofziger both spoke out in favor of medical marijuana, and supporters of Craker's suit against the DEA include not only several nurses' associations and the United Methodist Church but Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and a staunch defender of small government and an unfettered free market.It only makes sense for a conservative to be against the wasteful,futile war on cannabis. Regarding the war, to hell with it.THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN..."May Day, I Repeat, May Day," Say Vets!
http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/05/1825710.phpAn Appeal to Silent Academics:
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/30746An Open Letter to the 9/11 Commission:
http://www.teamliberty.net/id264.htmlNaudet Brothers Sue Dylan Avery:
http://www.loosechange911.com/main_naudet.html911podcasts.com presents Richard Andrew Grove on Meria Heller Show: 
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=101Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth: 
http://www.mujca.com/9/11: Revealing the Truth - An International Education and Strategy Conference: 
http://911truth.org/911rtt/
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Comment #120 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 18:02:52 PT

Last msg
That was to #118
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Comment #119 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 18:02:20 PT

#116
Not really. If you want to go, take care.Nobody believes cannabis is addictive anyhow. So I don't know why you think you need to prove it through some strange discussion of genetics.
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Comment #118 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 18:00:08 PT:

NIDA
#115,Is there another forum you would care to continue that discussion on?I'm no longer interested here.
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Comment #117 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 17:58:05 PT

 potpal 
That article is so very true.
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Comment #116 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 17:56:33 PT:

NIDA
#112,I think your question is answered by poster #110.FoM,I see. This is a private community and you are not interested in allies ouside of your community.Interesting. Especially if you need allies outside of your community to achieve your goals.The whole drug war is based on the idea that drugs cause addiction. I have blown some serious holes in that idea not only in regard to cannabis but also other drugs.In fact by blowing holes in the war against "hard" drugs I do help the cannabis movement. If we can show they are no threat then surely that helps us refute the ideas behind cannabis prohibition.United we stand.And I'm still with Dennis Peron. "All use is medical use".BTW what did you think of my Drug Sense article?
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Comment #115 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 17:45:47 PT

M Simon
"I'm totally against fascism. If you study the history of the Baath Pary (Syria, Iraq under Saddam) you will find it is an offshoot of the German National Socialists."Please. You're trying to turn this into a debate about whether Saddam Hussein and Bashar Al-Assad are nice people?You have a protofascist government right here in the United States of America and you're talking about how some other political leaders are bad too? Well, sure. China's got a pretty bad system too. Do you propose to invade them? And meantime ignore what's going on in America? People being disappeared without trial, warrantless wiretaps, unitary executive power, and who will liberate us?Meantime tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dying who had nothing to do with the Ba'ath regime, thousands of American soldiers and national guards, the city of New Orleans is drowned, and worst of all...Tell me how World Trade Center 7 collapsed.
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Comment #114 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 17:45:18 PT:

NIDA
Re:#108 posted by runderwo,Excellent points.The NIDA is as you point out not clean on the subject.OTOH they have come to the conclusion that what they call "addiction" is in part genetic. I believe that is correct.So how can we use that to our advantage?Well we can say that the drug war amounts to genetic discrimination. With government evidence. Which makes it an argument against interest. The most poweerful kind.Eventually if they are honest about their science they will find that the missing ingredient in the "addiction" question is trauma. Once that happens the drug war is over. I'd like to hasten that day.It may be a while. 
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Comment #113 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 17:41:15 PT

M Simon 
I still don't think you know what CNews is. We are a community of people who just happen to care for each other. Politics aren't the issue. We come from different walks of life and we have a common interest. I am not involved in wanting to change laws on hard drugs. I only am interested in Cannabis. There are plenty of organizations that are interested in drug issues. This is more of a speciality web site with lots of caring thrown in. We aren't interested in pro war opinions. This a private site. 
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Comment #112 posted by BGreen on May 29, 2006 at 17:36:08 PT

M Simon insisted we MUST accept him
and the other 29%ers or else we will never win, then he proceeded to call us names.Now, he just confuses us with his link posting and obfuscation, and I really believe his confusing posts and "bush" supporting nonsense is just to destroy our website and bring a dark aura to our peaceful community.I don't get him and quite frankly, I get really bad vibes about him.What in the hell are you doing here, M Simon? Why are you bringing your fringe minority neo-con rhetoric and intolerance here?Any possible truth in your message is destroyed by your insolence and bush/cheney/rumsfeld/rice modeled goose stepping alliance with evil.I'm glad I'm not the only one here who questions your intent, and I think we would all be wise to trust our instincts.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #111 posted by potpal on May 29, 2006 at 17:34:45 PT

Muzzic is magic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5012562.stm

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Comment #110 posted by runderwo on May 29, 2006 at 17:34:21 PT

M Simon
I remember reading your article when it came out, and I found it to be a truly innovative and common sense angle on the nature of addiction. Sometimes all it takes is a new way of looking at things for all the pieces to fall into place. Now if only someone would perform a study to confirm your hypothesis...
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Comment #109 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 17:29:45 PT:

Veteran's Day
FoM,I too am totally in favor of ending all drug prohibition.I note that the war in the Middle East was being discussed with no objection from you (as long as you agreed with the ideas). So I chimed in with my own perspective. I brought my ideas here because as an opponent of prohibition I have a different view of the war. Had no one else brought up the topic I would have remained silent.As I pointed out Drug Sense (which is a sponsor of this site) ran one of my articles. So I do have some weight in the movement. Although not much.My point is that people's views on the war and the nature of our government are diverse. Obviously this is divisive.The best thing to do (and I pointed it out on another thread) would be to stick to the drug war and avoid other topics that might be divisive. You pick up more allies that way.In any case I think the issue of PTSD and child abuse is central to why people use drugs.I would much rather have discussed that but all I got was comments about me being a troll. Now if you would like to discuss my views on the nature of addiction I'd love to. In fact I'd prefer it.*
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Comment #108 posted by runderwo on May 29, 2006 at 17:27:48 PT

NIDA
*** "Since NIDA's stated mission ``is to lead the Nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction," federally supported marijuana research will logically tilt toward the potential harms, not benefits, of cannabis."This is also referred to as the bias against the nil/null hypothesis, which several researchers have written papers on. This bias leads to a shaky foundation for any interest-group funded research.*** "But the findings of the study, announced this past week, indicate that heavy marijuana smokers actually show lower cancer rates than tobacco smokers, indirectly supporting claims by medical-marijuana proponents for the tumor-inhibiting properties of cannabinoids."Ugh, she got it wrong. Heavy marijuana-only smokers show equal or lower cancer rates to NONSMOKERS, which is the most staggering result of that study (to the status quo). Who cares how marijuana smokers compare to tobacco smokers? Establishing a relation there does nothing to tell you how healthy cannabis smoking is, because we know tobacco smoking is an incredibly unhealthy thing to do.
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Comment #107 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 16:30:50 PT:

Veteran's Day
#72 Max Flowers asks about my beliefs.Max says:
 "We are pretty quick on the draw around here. We have been made that way by the cruelty and lies put upon us by pro-government forces, police and government types for a long time. We stand up for each other here, and we defend the oppressed. To fit in here it helps to fly your colors a bit more brazenly, if they are the colors of the anti-drugwar flag (not to mention anti-war)." I have explained some in posts #104 and 105 my beliefs.Religiosly I'd have to say Obi-Wan is My Master. Although for the sake of fitting in I'm also a practicing Jew. Reform. Who are against the drug war in a mild way.As to opression. There is no group of people on the planet more oppressed than Muslims. By their own governments. Where do Palestinian gays go for refuge? Israel.BTW there is a thriving pot culture in Israel. Mostly supplied by Arab smugglers. The ironies abound. OTOH Israel is one of the leading places in the world doing research on cannabis as medicine. Especially the work of Dr. Raphael Mechoulam who discovered the CB1 receptor and was the fist to synthesize THC.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/04/ptsd-and-endocannabinoid-system.htmlI think Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks the truth about Islam. She speaks out aganst Islam. As a former Muslim I think she might know something.http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.htmlhttp://misskelly.typepad.com/miss_kelly_/2006/05/ayaan_hirsi_ali_1.htmlhttp://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=011204Ahttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/11/60minutes/main679609.shtmlhttp://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=6851*
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 16:10:38 PT

M Simon 
Why are you bringing your ideas to our web site? It doesn't make any sense to me. Our purpose is to help change the laws on cannabis for adults. That's all.
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Comment #105 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 15:49:46 PT:

Veteran's Day
I also think the trouble with the Middle East is the rampant culture of child abuse.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/11/origins-of-islamic-rage.htmlIf it was up to me I'd flood the are with pot and other drugs to relieve their pain.Since it is not up to me, until I can change some minds then war it is.Bernard Lewis has some interesting things to say about our problems with Islam.http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=107You will note that Pew (the host of the site) is a pretty left organiztion.
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Comment #104 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 15:37:04 PT:

Veteran's Day
#67,Whig,I'm totally against fascism. If you study the history of the Baath Pary (Syria, Iraq under Saddam) you will find it is an offshoot of the German National Socialists.In fact if you study the history of the Palestinian movement you will find its leader in the 40s raised two Divisiions of Muslims for Hitler's SS.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/01/palestinian-role-in-holocaust.htmlHaj Amin was Yasser Arafat's "uncle".So yeah. I'm against fascism. Remember though that FDR and the Democrats of the time did nothing about American racism. In fact it was the Democrats of that time that passed pot prohibiton. My point? America is far from perfect. However, it is evolving. And it is better than 95% of the alternatives.The poor in America (the bottom 20%) have a higher average income than the Swedes. Half the bottom 20% own their own homes. About 80 or 90% of the bottom own a car. About the same percentage own a computer. About 95 to 99% own a TV and a microwave and have indoor plumbing. All this in a country that pays very little attention to the poor. Who in 70 or 80% of the world would be considered any where from middle class to rich. Not too shabby.Which is not to say - no problem. We can and will do better. Still I live in the real world. Perfection is not an option. We have choices between better or worse. I choose America. With all its faults.=============================================I'm totally down with Nall. After all from about 1980 to 9/11 I was a Libertarian. She is doing great work. Even if I don't agree with her position on the war. BTW Libertarians are big on private property and limited government.I have let myself get off topic here. Again.What I want to know is how we can use the material I have developed to defeat drug prohibition.My heart is open totally to the abused children who use pot and other drugs for relief from their painful memories. I am desperate to see that we end their persecution.To defeat the drug war (which is based on a phantom menace) we must destroy the rationale behind the fear. That rationale is: "drugs cause addiction". My counter to that is: "people in chronic pain (like PTSD from abuse) chronically take drugs for relief". There are no "addicts" only people in pain.Dennis Peron when he was campaigning for 215 said all use is medical use. I thought he was kidding in order to stop the persecution of recreational users. Now I'm convinced he was right. It only took me a few years to catch on. But, I'm a little slow. What I did do in my research and writing was put that idea on a firm scientific basis. As far as I know from my researches on the www, I am the only writer on the subject propounding that view.The Drug Sense Weekly did run one of my articles on the subject (for those of you who subscribe). http://www.drugsense.org/dsw/2006/ds06.n445.htmlAmerica (right or left) has always had a soft spot for the abused. I want to take advantage of that.

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Comment #103 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 15:02:16 PT

 gw
I feel a bit of trepidation in asking what you mean by your last post. But I'll ask.Huh?
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Comment #102 posted by global_warming on May 29, 2006 at 14:27:33 PT

re: hot
behind this trip,welcome,
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 14:25:27 PT

Hope
Thank you. It is letting up. I turned on the air conditioner and that is helping. Rest I don't know how to rest in the day because you see I drink too much coffee! LOL!
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Comment #100 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 14:16:36 PT

Comment 90
Hot, strong coffee and the scent of lavender oil might help. Maybe a rest. 
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 14:16:16 PT

global_warming 
Yes it is a good thing to care.
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Comment #98 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 14:13:31 PT

Whig...
You're my friend. Try to reach the understanding you desire. I know I can only pack so much into any baggage I might have to carry around, so I think I'll just leave that issue behind this trip. I know you can carry it by yourself, or I'd try to help you.
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Comment #97 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 14:09:15 PT

 Hope 
Yes they are. So is the AP. 
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Comment #96 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 14:07:09 PT

Comment 92
FoM. That's very interesting in light of the fact that NYT seems to be ignoring this news as far as their own paper is concerned.
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Comment #95 posted by global_warming on May 29, 2006 at 14:06:28 PT

re: Why do we care?
It is the good thing to care,How many ignorant people,must continue to be caught up,in this 'miracle,
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Comment #94 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 14:05:51 PT

Hope
WWJD? I don't know but this is what I tried to say originally:http://cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21820.shtml#12In that context he said he's not Christian, and I'm not attacking that but I'm trying to understand. 
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 14:05:22 PT

Sorry, Whig...that I misunderstood you.
Just seeing you ask those questions kind of sends a chill up my spine...knowing what it can lead to.Actually not "kind of" does...it does send a chill up my spine.I will bow out, gracefully, I hope, and watch to see if you will be able to come to an understanding with MSimon.(A thought...just the name "Simon" can bring defenses up these days, what with the popularity of a certain wicked mouthed Simon on a certain popular television show.)
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 14:02:56 PT

Hope
I think it's because they might own the Boston Globe. I looked and it wasn't on the NYTs though. I figured I better leave the copyright as two instead of one to be on the safe side.
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Comment #91 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 14:00:40 PT

Whig..
I guess so. I know you feel very strongly about it. I've drawn your ire before myself. Have a little mercy, if you will, though.At the risk of being sickening...WWJD?
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 14:00:36 PT

I Have a Headache
I do have a headache but it's because of being out mowing yesterday but seriously I don't want this to become a Republican or right wing type conversation. I will never be a Republican so I don't want to hear about why it's a good thing. I am not a Democrat so I'm really nothing politically. We are trying to help change the laws on Cannabis on CNews. We talk about values and why we feel the way we do. That isn't political but helpful for everyone. Why do we care?
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Comment #89 posted by global_warming on May 29, 2006 at 14:00:04 PT

84 and further
It is always better to hear the beast,An open dialog, can bring closeness,
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Comment #88 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:57:51 PT

A question...
Why is this Boston Globe article copyrighted by the New York Times?
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Comment #87 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 13:55:40 PT

Hope
The question that I ask is fair game since he makes a point of attacking Islam.
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Comment #86 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:54:13 PT

Hey!
I just noticed that our Dr. Russo is mentioned in this article!
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Comment #85 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:53:18 PT

Comment 72  Max 
Right on! True words.
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Comment #84 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 13:53:08 PT

Hope
I think you misunderstand me. I am not criticizing him for his belief or non-belief, I am asking what he believes in order to have a fruitful discussion with some understanding of our respective priors.
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Comment #83 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:51:13 PT

Whig, my friend, Comment 67 is too harsh.
It really doesn't matter here what his faith or lack of it is. You know that. There are many among us here who are not believers. I value their interaction and work towards our goal, every bit as much as I do anyone else's. I know you do, too. 

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Comment #82 posted by global_warming on May 29, 2006 at 13:32:35 PT

it gets deeper
"If I can see it well, though. I can tell by their heads and markings. Especially the shape of their heads. I hope I never run across a King.."
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 13:16:10 PT

Hope
Yup I tickled it's tail. It was gray with a ring around it's neck. It didn't have a poisonous looking head though. I don't like snakes at all. I hope I don't see anymore this year. 
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:11:56 PT

Not if I know it's non-poisonous...
But like the great snake massacre we went through that night in Missouri...If I can't tell, I won't take a chance when there are children around. If I can see it well, though. I can tell by their heads and markings. Especially the shape of their heads. I hope I never run across a King or Coral snake...because I doubt I could tell the difference, especially quickly enough, and I'd feel sad about killing a King snake.You tickled it's tail? That's funny!
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 13:06:28 PT

FoM
I won't kill a non-poisonous one, on purpose, either. 

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Comment #78 posted by global_warming on May 29, 2006 at 12:59:12 PT

wow, some Fresh Air
welcome msimon,i hope you have a good life,and share with us, your thoughts,here at cannabis news,have you published, a book?if not, you should,you have a deep understanding,thank you
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 12:37:59 PT

So true... a thought that lets you breathe...
"There is no reward greater than success when your goal is justice for all" Oh, Loretta Nall. No body saw you coming! You are the gentle juggernaut that will force all the lies to give way before you.More power to you!

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Comment #76 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 12:30:15 PT

Hope
Speaking of snakes. I uncovered one yesterday. It was just a little one so I stared at it and thought are you poisonous or not and then I tickled it's tail and it went into a hole in the ground. I can't even kill a stupid snake. I'm hopeless. LOL!
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 12:27:03 PT

Whig, your vigilance is appreciated..
But, I suspect he's not a viper. He broke the first rule of the serpent...wariness and cunningness! Nothing wary or cunning about MSimon. Maybe a "bull in a china closet"...but hopefully not a viper.Anyway...you know we have finely sharpened hoes to deal with that if it proves to be true.
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Comment #74 posted by Genthirdday on May 29, 2006 at 12:07:18 PT

  M SIMON
 You said.."I'm not trolling, I'm trying to educate folks I consider allies in the antiprohib movement".......also "Eventually great wealth trickles down to the common man"
 Your love is directed more toward producing wealth than the common man finding justice, in this so called "drug war"
I have a very good friend who is for Cannabis but a very BIG BUSH supporter, always sending me emails...in the form of neo con education...."we must never forget...."ETC I see him in person very infrequently so the friendship remains but we absolutely will NEVER AGREE on his NEO CON ideas. I do not appeciate his educational attempts. Economics///Money//Stock Market is #1 in his life.Today my greatest pleasure was reading about Loretta Nall and her quote "There is no reward greater than success when your goal is justice for all" 
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 11:41:32 PT

Just a Note
You Guys and Gals are the best. I love all of you and I hope you will have a really good day today. We are a passionate group of people. We care. I love that about all of you. Today I think of the mothers and fathers who lost a child because of the invasion of Iraq. There is no difference in how people feel that lose someone in a war. Muslim families grieve the same way as an American family grieves. War what is it good for.Absolutely nothing. 
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Comment #72 posted by Max Flowers on May 29, 2006 at 11:22:48 PT

"M"
Okay then, thanks for clarifying. Goes to show yet again that unannounced sarcasm is very easily misinterpreted on the internet. If you are actually against prohibition, then I apologize for misjudging you. But I and probably others here may be a bit confused about where you stand.How about stating for the record here what your core beliefs are about the main subject of this site? We regular members do it every day, unequivocally. I mean it's one thing to say "I am anti-prohibition" and it's another to testify to your feelings on that, loudly and proudly, daily, so that no one has any doubt where you are coming from. Will you tell us why you want to be here?We are pretty quick on the draw around here. We have been made that way by the cruelty and lies put upon us by pro-government forces, police and government types for a long time. We stand up for each other here, and we defend the oppressed. To fit in here it helps to fly your colors a bit more brazenly, if they are the colors of the anti-drugwar flag (not to mention anti-war).
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Comment #71 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 11:14:26 PT:

Veteran's Day
The only stupidity I see here is the effort to denigrate allies. We made nice with Stalin to defeat Hitler. It can be done.And the fact that some click the links is a sign that some are interested in the information.Any one who does not need education is dead. I'm 61 and still need educating.To quote the noted philosopher Zimmerman:"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
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Comment #70 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 11:08:05 PT:

Veteran's Day
Max,That was unannounced sarcasm against those who favor rounding up Mexicans and shipping them back to Mexico.It was aimed at the right wingers who go on about "they are breaking our laws".Note the tenor of the rest of the article.You will note that the big right wing push this year is not against "druggies" but Mexicans. Deplorable. Racist to the core in my opinion. I do believe the Mexicans make it harder for us in America as every immigrant group has. None the less in 70 years their children and grand children will be honored Americans. I welcome them.And thank you for a real critique.I have to go and do some Memorial Day stuff.I will continue this conversation when I get back much later this afternoon or evening.
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 11:07:39 PT

Whig...
You the man!
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 11:07:03 PT

"I'm trying to educate folks"
M Simon, please don't do that. It's something I learned as a youngster. People don't appreciate being thought stupid and in need of education that they didn't ask for. A wall will fly up in self defense.Share with us, your thoughts and ideas. Don't come on with the 
obvious arrogance that ruins your ideas by saying, "You're stupid...I'm here to help you." I've seen people do it over and over during my life. I can tell you one thing about "tactics". That is one of the worst tactics available, when you are wanting to make new friends.I do appreciate your ideas. Share them...don't try to beat them into our "ignorant" brains. That arrogance is almost a sign of a Republican these days. Cast it off, the arrogance...for the good of your better ideas.
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Comment #67 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 11:06:56 PT

M Simon
I will take you at your word and offer a dialogue. You know that I have already written my own position, I am not in favor of Islam but it is a difference of belief and not one to be settled by force. You cannot force anyone to love you or to agree with you, you can only express your own beliefs and your own love and live by your own principles.You have said you are not a Christian. Are you agnostic or are you atheist or what do you believe? Let us go from there. We already know where one another stands on some issues, it is more fruitful that we know why we take the stands that we do.While it is true that America is a better place than many others, it is also important never to forget the history of fascism and where it leads inexorably. The people who you support are intent on making this country into the Fourth Reich and they are well along the way.This is not a choice between two totalitarian ideologies. Nobody is asking you to advocate Stalinism. You are not forced to choose Hitler as the alternative.I am asking you to denounce fascism. Will you do so?
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Comment #66 posted by afterburner on May 29, 2006 at 11:00:48 PT

Hope, in case you missed it: RE God Is Wild 
Hope, in case you missed it: RE God Is Wild 
NORML's Weekly News Bulletin -- May 18, 2006 afterburner Hope #116 http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21862.shtml#230
 BTW, I see your approach to M Simon as "tend and befriend" as opposed to "fight or flight." However, I agree with Max that M Simon needs to explain, recant and apologize for his support for caging peaceful cannabis consumers.
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 11:00:24 PT

nuevo mexican 
I'm watching it now. It's just like Vietnam. Soldiers are snapping. 
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Comment #64 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 10:56:34 PT:

Veteran's Day
I'm really not here to fight the war.Hell, despite being a war supporter, I have given you tools to use against it.So I will not comment further on how Saudi Arabia treats women. Or any of the other bad shit suppored by Islam that makes America look like paradise in comparison.I want to defeat the drug war. And if that is what you want you are going to need more right wingers on your side. I have provided a lot of articles on a right wing site (mine) that you can use to convince those on the right that being against the drug war is not just a left wing enclave. I have science on my side too! I have given you tools. Use them.So you have to ask yourself: "Will what I am doing gain me the support of the right I need to defeat the drug war"? What do you want? A private culture or results.Personally, despite being on the other side in most politics, I want results.Shunning those who offer their hand in help is no way to broaden the movement.
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Comment #63 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 10:49:14 PT

FOM: this you can watch, it is a must!
This is packaged for easier consumption, when you say you support the troops, this must be 'qualified', as I know you do not support atrocities, our side or theirs, and if Americans refuse to look at the harsh truth, more atrocities will occur, our future will get bleaker, and our karma will dictate that we experience that which we have imposed on others. This is the Law of Nature, the ONLY Law, (noticed bush recognizes NO LAWS, written or otherwise, especially those of nature!)I KNOW you support John Murtha, so you will be happy he is doing his job! One of the few!Murtha on Haditha Massacre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7przeLpl2s&search=Haditha
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Comment #62 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 10:45:49 PT

Opps
should have been. Well said Hope!
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Comment #61 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 10:44:51 PT

Chances
ell said Hope!!! Give all people a fair chance. It will take all of us to change things around. Everyone has something to contribute at sometime. Some do it in different ways that's all.
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Comment #60 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 10:42:01 PT

Hope
The olive branch is extended, if he will stop advocating for war. But we do not say, Peace, Peace, when there is no peace.I would do no violence to him. I would forgive him if he asked it. But I will not welcome a viper into our midst while he remains a viper.
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Comment #59 posted by Max Flowers on May 29, 2006 at 10:40:27 PT

He has some explaining to do first
And I can't ignore him myself, quite yet.I'm not trolling for hits. I'm trying to educate folks I consider my allies in the anti-prohibitiionist movement.So far I have gotten many personal attacks in return. No critiques of the material I have presented.You critics of my posts can do better than that.M Simon, may I remind you that YOU'RE the one who posted on that blog site [paraphrased] "millions of people break drug laws every day, and they should be rounded up and put in jail." Therefore YOU proclaimed yourself as being in favor of locking up anyone who violates a law against the use of the cannabis plant. YOU stated yourself to be in favor of caging people in prison for using a plant. Tell us how you can be "allied with anti-prohibitionists" once you have publicly taken that sadistic position. If you want to be allied with US, you have to renounce that position fully and repeatedly. Let us see you right here and now tell us why you wrote that, and what your position is on caging people for the use of an herb. 
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 10:34:48 PT

Whig
I have no doubt that you can give MSimon his due "come-uppence" should he ever need it. It seems to me he has some good points. So what about the site hits? It doesn't hurt us, does it?Keep your "stake" at hand, but lets give him a chance...another chance. He's with us on our main goal. If he should wish to provoke us to the point of continuous flaming, FoM, has a trap door under him, and all of us, that she can open any time. I know you don't like him. But give him a chance. He obviously wants to be here, more as a friend (although it might be an irritating friend) than a troublemaker. As long as he makes himself behave respectfully, we should try a bit of tolerance...up to a point. Where's that olive branch?
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Comment #57 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 10:33:21 PT

Thanks Max!
I agree!And I will ignore the troll!NM
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Comment #56 posted by Max Flowers on May 29, 2006 at 10:28:54 PT

M Simon
As much as you folks here hate the war against Islamic Imperialism attacking it is a frontal assault.I find your characterization quite disingenuous.Main Entry: im∑pe∑ri∑al∑ismPronunciation: im-'pir-E-&-"li-z&m
Function: noun1 : imperial government, authority, or system2 : the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence Imperialism is the attempting to dominate and take over other countries. I don't see a single Islamic government trying to do that. I do see people in Iraq, yes including terrorists and thugs, but also regular people, resisting American imperialism. "Islamic imperialism" would be Iran or Saudi Arabia or Yemen, etc., invading a neighboring country, especially a non-Islamic one, and trying to dominate it. I have read some of the other stuff you've written, and personally I wouldn't trust what you say as far as I can spit. Based on your previous writings, I'm at a loss as to why you are starting to frequent this site, unless maybe you are bait, hoping that people will get mad enough at you to write your email address to flame you and ID themselves to you that way (have many cop friends, M?).My advice to my CNews pals here: ignore this person and he will go away. 
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Comment #55 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 10:28:39 PT

The Video is for M. Simon, everyone here knows....
the 'war on terra' is a war on the Earth, and all indigenous peoples', the Bill of Rights, AND the Constitution! bush let 911 happen, was warned, see the NYTimes article on Judith Miller AND the Administration knowing FULL WELL before the attacks that they were planned.The Story that Got AWay:
http://alternet.org/story/36388/We NOW have given the WORLD any excuse it needs to put barb wire around the U.S. and lock up the brainwashed masses, as well as our leaders. The World at large now thinks ALL Americans believe in FoX News, and spew bushes talking points ala right-wing talk radio. Maybe the Dixie Chicks can counter that, Neil too!Bush in Iraq is bushes' conscious recruiting tool for Al-bush-queda, and it is working! From tiny in 2001 to HUGE now, go figure, quo bono, who benefits, ask yourselves.Blame it on the Koran, blame it on the Muslims, blame it on the Arabs, but cheney, rumy and bushie were licking their lips BEFORE 911, knowing bushes low poll numbers would turn around with a staged psy-operation of un-imagimanable porportions.And they knew 'muricans would buy into it, hook, line and sinker! We have proof right here at C-News! You! Our new troll!Thanks Hope for the follow-up on Siler!

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Comment #54 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 10:26:47 PT:

Veteran's Day
Hope,Thank you.I used to be a very strong lefty so I am not unsympathetic to your goals. When I learned economics I saw that socialism was not a big wealth producer. Hell, Marx was a big fan of capitalism as a wealth producer. You can look it up.Well any way. My goals have not changed. Just my methods.BTW my #2 son has a full scholarship to Rockefeller University in Chicago. Eventually great wealth trickles down to the common man.And in case you hadn't heard the University of Chicago was founded by the Rockefellers. They have a great school of economics.I'm not trolling for hits. I'm trying to educate folks I consider my allies in the anti-prohibitiionist movement.So far I have gotten many personal attacks in return. No critiques of the material I have presented.You critics of my posts can do better than that.

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Comment #53 posted by ekim on May 29, 2006 at 10:25:53 PT

Deadly Drug... prohibition
May 29, 2006 Deadly Drug... prohibition
www.drugwarrant.com 
A Deadly Heroin Mixture Is Claiming Dozens of Lives
This story has been picking up steam in recent days as more and more people are dying around the country from this mix of heroin and fentanyl.This is a serious problem and is a fault of prohibition.Remember: Under prohibition, we have given the right to the criminal of 
who's going to supply the drugs to the United States, 
what kind of drugs are going to be supplied, 
how much those drugs are going to cost, 
how they're going to be produced, 
how potent they're going to be 
what age levels they're going to sell to, 
and where they're going to sell.
And if they decide they're going to sell to 10-year-old kids on our playgrounds, by God that's where they'll be sold. 
- Jack Cole [of LEAP
And, of course, that means that we have given full control over the safety and purity of drugs to the criminal as well.The government should know this full well, since this is not the first time we've faced this problem. Think back to the 'good old days' of alcohol prohibition:There were few if any production standards during Prohibition, and the potency and quality of products varied greatly, making it difficult to predict their effect. The production of moonshine during Prohibition was undertaken by an army of amateurs and often resulted in products that could harm or kill the consumer. Those products were also likely to contain dangerous adulterants, a government requirement for industrial alcohol.
According to Thomas Coffey, "the death rate from poisoned liquor was appallingly high throughout the country. In 1925 the national toll was 4,154 as compared to 1,064 in 1920. And the increasing number of deaths created a public relations problem for . . . the drys because they weren't exactly accidental."[18] Will Rogers remarked that "governments used to murder by the bullet only. Now it's by the quart."

http://www.leap.cc/events/
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Comment #52 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 10:24:24 PT

Max comment 48
 "I have always assumed that cops in the south did that kind of thing." I knew it, but the abused were never believed and there was no proof that could be used against them...and word against word, the bad cops usually won. Although I had known of officers who were fired and banned from law enforcement for such behavior...but to my knowledge they were never prosecuted. And there were, and are, plenty of them who were not banned. Apparently, man's inhumanity to man knows no bounds.Only thing is, I never assumed it was something only the South suffered. I figured they were everywhere. I still think they are.After Deliverance...Southerners and people with the accents could all, so easily be assumed to be monsters. Just like some movies make all bikers and hippies look like bloodthirsty monsters.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 10:14:48 PT

nuevo mexican
I watched the Dixie Chick's video but I can't watch the one you just posted. I know it will be bad and I can't handle it. I don't believe that anyone who kills anyone in a war will ever be the same because a part of them dies along with the person they killed. War is hell.
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Comment #50 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 10:14:16 PT:

Veteran's Day
BTW I covered the Siler case in Feb. of '05:http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/02/biggest-cover-up-of-all.htmlI talk about how the culture war against drug users is similar to the Nazi culture war against Jews. I use the right's own material against them.The only way to do that is to be very close to those folks.You need more right wingers in your camp. And against CAMP.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 10:11:51 PT

Hope
He's a vampire and he just wants an excuse to keep spamming links to his site so he can rack up lots of hits.
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Comment #48 posted by Max Flowers on May 29, 2006 at 10:11:25 PT

The Tennessee cops tape
I listened to that tape of the torturing TN cops. It was disturbing, but I have to say it wasn't surprising or shocking to me, because I have always assumed that cops in the south did that kind of thing. I'm just glad someone finally caught some (kudos to the wife turning on the tape recorder!).What was a bit confusing to me though was why they were torturing him to get him to sign a search consent form. If they had a search warrant for the guy's house, and were in his house, why did they need a signed consent form to toss his house? Is that a peculiarity of TN law?I'm sure those cops will be very popular indeed in prison, providing the authorities don't give them a pass to safety by isolating them. If there is true justice in this case, they will be left to mingle with the other prisoners and taste some of their own medicine. 
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Comment #47 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 10:10:29 PT

The effects of President bush and cheney.....
on the World and on our soldiers are reprehensible, as you will see in this video! Whose to blame? I was a conscientous objector to the Viet Nam War, and until I was fifteen, wanted to be in the Green Berets, though by the time the 68' Democratic Convention in Chicago, I was a declared anarchist, (and when I stated this in my Social Studies class, my teacher, Mr. Hayes, strangled me, for real, in front of all the other class mates. True story!)Anarchist' for life, thank you Mr. Hayes!Let me know if this has any effect on the way any of you feel about war, our soldiers, their training, lack of accountability by their superiors, and if our actions abroad are creating a perspective that America is okay with War Criminals running our country, torture is fine, murder, no problem, war is war, immigrants deserve to be snuffed out in the desert,'nuf said!Oh, and Alberto Gonzo-uber-alles wants to charge journalists with crimes for reporting bushes crimes, what a day! These guys should hang for their crimes, and I oppose the death penalty. (GCW: these ARE the self-condemned that you talk about, they support the death penalty, live by the sword, die by the sword!)Iraqi Girl tells of US Attack in Haditha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc5j-i2nMX4

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Comment #46 posted by potpal on May 29, 2006 at 10:09:47 PT

Drug war
Looks like more of the same in Colombia..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5026218.stm 
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 10:09:13 PT

"jabbing a sore spot " 
"Kicking against the pricks". There's no reason to do that among friends. It will ruin the relationship.
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 10:02:12 PT

MSimon
"That said I still hate the drug war."So maybe you are a friend of mine, at least in the area of the Drug War.Some strong personalities post at this site. You obviously have a strong personality. It may take effort for us not to irritate each other...but I'm hoping you can do it. You're smart enough to know when you might be jabbing a sore spot on some C-Newsers and smart enough to resist the temptation. Welcome.(Please don't let me have just welcomed a vampire into our C-News home.)
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 09:58:07 PT

Whig....You know it.
Of course, I have no doubt there are probably thousands such incidents that go unproven, because of lack of a recording. Siler was put through horror...but I'm so grateful that his wife thought to leave a recorder running out of plain sight. Her actions brought a bit of justice to her husband's torture and likely saved others from suffering a similar fate at the hands of the monsters with badges.Would that the sheepskins could be yanked off all those masquerading wolves we have in government and law enforcement.
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Comment #42 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 09:57:04 PT:

Veteran's Day
BTW I tell all my right wing friends that if the truth of the drug war comes out it will destroy them as a credible force in politics.As much as you folks here hate the war against Islamic Imperialism attacking it is a frontal assault. Which generally is suicide.Use the oblique approach. Taint them with the immorality they do in America. Just as racism destroyed the support for the war in 'Nam. http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/drug-war-racism.htmlWhen we see: "Drug war persecutes abused children" in the headlines support for the war against Islamic Imperialism will dry up.Why as a war supporter don't I worry about that? I have faith in my enemies. We will see attacks on America worse than 9/11 when we let our guard down. If it is a nuclear attack we will nuclear counter attack. It will not be pretty.In the mean time the drug war will be over and some sanity will return to America.
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Comment #41 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 09:39:55 PT

Hope
How many similar cases exist where there was no tape recording? Probably more than 99% of them.
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Comment #40 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 09:39:16 PT:

Veteran's Day
Anybody read the Koran?It is the blue print for Islamic Imperialism.Look at how they treat gays, women, and drug users.BTW I'm a 'Nam Vet and was totally anti-war in the '60s. Until we got the boat people in the 70s. And the re-ed camps. And the murders of around 100,000 Vietnamese post war by the communists. Them communists was not nice people. And by eliminating private property they stunted Vietnam's economic growth.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/11/property.htmlAnd despite the war the Vietnamese are pretty pro-American these days. You can look it up.That said I still hate the drug war. Have since '66. In fact the drug war was one of the things that propelled me into the anti-war camp.Just remember:Neville Chamberlain was a man of peace. Hitler of course blamed everything on the Jews. Just like the current President of Iran, or Saddam for that matter.=================================================In any case to all those vets out there pro-war or anti, thank you for your service.For all the vets out there suffering from PTSD. This one is for you:http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/10/ptsd-pot-alcohol-substance-abuse.htmland this one too:http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/10/soldiers-disease.html

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Comment #39 posted by Hope on May 29, 2006 at 09:34:27 PT

The Siler case is a done deal....
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1118/a10.html?20334It's so sickening. I read the transcript some time ago. I can't bear to listen to the horror, at least not right now.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 09:32:56 PT

Had Enough
We will be meeting my sister and her one son. He has Muscular Dystropy and is getting close to having to be in a wheel chair. His father passed away from the same disease. He is in his mid 40s and wants to learn as much as he can about life in general. We will take pictures and hopefully my sister will be able to tape. I'm sure it will flood me with emotions. I'm afraid I'll cry alot.
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Comment #37 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 09:30:49 PT

FoM
I know. War is dehumanizing to everyone. It's really the fault of those who lied and caused this to happen and who are profiting from it.War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 09:25:52 PT

 E_Johnson 
Thank you. That was so very kind of you.
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Comment #35 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 09:23:07 PT

Go for it
After you experience that, you will have even more thoughts about it. Canít wait to hear your views after being there. You will not regret it. Take a camera with you. Pictures that I take, end up on my screen saver. That wall with the names appears quite often. You can see it across the room, I've had many comments on it.Peace, the world could use a little bit of it right now.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 09:20:43 PT

Whig
I look at war as something that is caused but during a war I can't be critical of really anyone on anyside. War is wrong. War always becomes immoral and that's the way it has always been. I step back and know it is not in my control. I always want to be kind and not angry towards soldiers. What a soldier does while in combat is sometimes not very good but that's the result of war. 
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Comment #33 posted by E_Johnson on May 29, 2006 at 09:18:18 PT

What I love about you FoM
You're very open to the world. You're not all closed off and cynical like so many people today.You're one of my role models for staying open to the world and not becoming closed off and cynical.I have an intellectual personality so it's very easy for me to go in the direction of cynicism. It's like water flowing downhill.It's nice to come here and see an alternative.
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 09:10:42 PT

Had Enough 
We are going to make a day of it. My husband served in Vietnam from 69 to 71. He did two tours. I met him after he was out of the Army. We did a lot of talking about Vietnam. I learned a lot from those talks we had. I was very sheltered and it was an eye opener for me. It really was a beginning for me to see way more then I had ever seen and learned before.
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Comment #31 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 09:05:02 PT

When the war is over, if ever, it comes home:
and what will the soldiers do for a living? Or should I say, a 'dying'. (not funny)(Thanks for the comments on the tape recording!)It all comes back to the psuedo 'war on druuuugs'.Maybe Iraq is just a training ground for our soldiers to prepare for the lockdown of the U.S.?I know most will only find jobs in the security guard/ prison industrial complex, so this is great training for them isn't it. Or is it our karma for not stopping our leaders from going to war in our names? (Will we bear the brunt of the crimes being committed in our names, for our seeming silence on the subject, a lack of appropriate OUTRAGE?)Citizens of countries worldwide ALWAYS pay the price for their leaders agenda, Iraq, China, Iran, the U.S., we must take our power back folks, these guys think it's a done deal!This video says it all, about America, the World, humans and the effect of brainwashing, lack of information, as well as the effects of 40 years of dumbing down citizens of this country, and it HAS worked quite well, though we're not down for the count yet, and we know the light always overcomes the darkness! Yet,Look at the madness we are heaping on innocent women and children, as well as men, yet, where is the outcry from Americans? The silence is deafening, especially in Congress, and from our supposedly elected officials.And how did we end up here? The War on Drugs is responsible, for numbing people down to the point where brutality and murder are just episodes of a 'Cops' show.I believe that has been the true aim of the War on Some Drugs, anybody else see the direction I'm heading?'Empire burlesque! High crimes and low comedy in the bush emperiom'http://www.chris-floyd.com/isahaqi/
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Comment #30 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 09:00:02 PT

FoM
Whose enemy?The soldiers are the enemy of those they kill. From the perspective of the innocent women and children of Haditha, the US soldiers certainly were the enemy.It isn't politically correct to criticize the military. But this is not WW II. We are not faced with an enemy that poses a military threat to ourselves. There is no military draft. Nobody has to be a soldier if they don't want to be.It is very much analogous to the police. There are good police, and there are good soldiers, and they enroll or enlist for honorable and good reasons. But they are sent on bad missions, they are told to kill innocent people for the greater glory of the state. And pretty soon they are broken, they are no longer capable of holding their heads up with honor. The exception is unfortunately rare.Does this seem too harsh? Perhaps it is, for soldiers who cannot resign when they have enlisted for a term. They cannot refuse to serve unless they want to be prosecuted for dereliction or desertion. Once they have signed up, they are committed, they cannot even resign once they have completed their mission because the stop-loss orders mean they might have another tour beyond what they signed up for. It's a back door draft, and I cannot hold the soldiers in this circumstance to blame for it, except that anyone who enlists today is culpable.
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Comment #29 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 08:57:43 PT

The Wall
I saw the traveling wall.  It was definitely an experience. The closer you get to it, the deeper the feelings get. I saw a young woman stooped down, and crying real tears. I saw grown men the size of athletes with watery eyes, and very emotional; and yes real tears rolling down their cheeks. I saw people take their fingers and rub them on a name of someone they must have known. I saw notes, flowers, pictures, and other items, people left at the base of the wall. Every day or event, they collect these items and keep them in a special storage area. They are not destroyed.On the side of the tractor-trailer trucks they use to haul it around it says on the side, ďThe Vietnam Wall ExperienceĒ with murals drawn on it. They are right;, it is an experience. I spent the whole day there. I took over a Hundred pictures. Recommended for all.

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Comment #28 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 08:33:03 PT

Numbers
Number of cops. Donít know where that number 3 came from. My error. Regardless of how many were involved; I hope they get THEIR NUMBER. All of them.

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Comment #27 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 08:21:44 PT

Memorial Day
We are going to see the Wall. I love our soldiers. I never want to see a soldier treated like the returning Veterans from Vietnam were. I am against war but the soldiers aren't the enemy. http://www.tuscwall.com/
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Comment #26 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 08:21:12 PT

And Again
Iíve been around Veterans when they have had conversations about over aggressive police tactics. They certainly do not like it.
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Comment #25 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 08:12:40 PT

And
Most Veterans would detest this type of action. WWII vets fought off Japanese & German oppressive desire to control the world. I hope these three cops are held accountable. Let some Veterans sit on the jury panel for these three peace officers.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on May 29, 2006 at 08:09:55 PT

Had Enough / Nuevo Mexican
Is this what WW II was fought for?Depends which side you're talking about.
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Comment #23 posted by Had Enough on May 29, 2006 at 08:01:45 PT

nuevo mexican
Is this what WW II was fought for?Absolutely not.

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Comment #22 posted by nuevo mexican on May 29, 2006 at 07:19:42 PT

Is this what WW II was fought for?
Thought some posters' here might comment on this, not what I was looking for, but oh well, just another day in the Gulag!!Tape recording of police torturing suspects, disturbing, and could be happening down the street from your house, this is George Bushes Amerikkka, what was it our Veterans died for? A Racist Police State rules the USA, here's your proof!Police torture in Knoxville TN:
When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave. They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen.When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him. They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him. Then they arrested him for "evading arrest"."You can here nearly 40 minutes of the tape recording HEREhttp://www.ogrish.com/archives/police_torture_in_knoxville_tn_May_28_2006.html
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on May 29, 2006 at 07:12:27 PT

Memorial Day
For those who are interested. Neil Young's tribute to our fallen soldiers can be downloaded by clicking on the Living With War banner. It is a simple tribute showing the American flag and graves sung to America The Beautiful from the album. Maybe soon this war will be over. That's my hope and prayer today. http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/war.htm
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Comment #20 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 06:55:37 PT:

Alliances
Actually the NIDA is starting to turn slowly in my direction.You see even the government has no weapon against objective science.Here is a bit on gentics and drug use that shows the NIDA is starting to become more objective on the subject:http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n446/a04.html?20314So the NIDA has figured out about 1/2 the equation. Chronic use is in part genetic. What they haven't confronted is the other 1/2 - trauma.I figured all this out 4 years ago. Every month there is further confirmation. Rights are opinion. Science is evidence. Which is stronger?
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Comment #19 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 06:40:27 PT:

Alliances
Here is a new link for those tired of the old ones.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/04/ptsd-and-endocannabinoid-system.htmlSupression of medical research on pot is our biggest enemy in fighting drug prohibition. Because medical science will show that chronic users smoke da weed because they need it.Here is an oldie but goodie:http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/02/police-and-ptsd.htmlBTW MAP has a pretty good collection of my older articles. Do a search.

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Comment #18 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 06:30:12 PT:

Alliances
BTW some folks are reading my stuff. I note a spike in my miniscule traffic every time I post here.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/12/genetic-discrimination.htmlI might mention that tobacco is an anti-depressant.And let me add. Your biggest enemy is the medical cartel.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/10/war-on-unpatented-drugs.html*
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Comment #17 posted by M Simon on May 29, 2006 at 06:24:48 PT:

Imperialism
Yeah. Luring people off this site.A number of my articles have been published on this site. You can look it up.The biggest thing you could do to destroy the religious reich is to show that the drug war is a persecution of abused children. And yes I like the Bush Presidency. Funny though I liked Clinton too. (I have a thing for zaftig Jewish women. LOL). I can't abide theocons. Which is why I voted Bush/Obama in '04.http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/heroin.html
HeroinBTW you ought to read my stuff. It is backed by medical science. A stronger argument than rights in my opinion. Educate yourself on the nature of addiction. It is your strongest weapon in this war.
Is Addiction Real?
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 23:01:01 PT

whig 
It's late and I'm very tired. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Sometimes it's best to sleep on things.
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Comment #15 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 22:57:25 PT

Spamdexing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_in_blogs
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Comment #14 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 22:54:37 PT

FoM
I don't look at banning as a punishment, but basically a kind of housekeeping. If someone is adding to the conversation here it's well and good, but this is someone who is just littering the place with link spam. Do you know that when google indexes the web it sees all these links and it increases his site's ranking? Why should you let him use CNews for that purpose?
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Comment #13 posted by BGreen on May 28, 2006 at 22:49:42 PT

I don't care one way or another
Us hippie punks are pretty forgiving, man.I was just jokingly pointing out how many times he's posted the same links.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 22:40:14 PT

BGreen 
I agree that it is rude and he is only interested in what he thinks but banning someone for that doesn't seem like a reason to me. Acting that way shows the true colors of an individual. He was mean but just one time. If he flames us and starts calling us names that's a whole different issue to me.
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Comment #11 posted by BGreen on May 28, 2006 at 22:31:30 PT

You haven't read them?
It's all he posts, regardless of the topic. He doesn't call us names, but he posts the exact same links over and over again, luring people off of this web site instead of contributing to the success of CNews.com.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 22:25:50 PT

Whig
I could but I'm not sure why. I don't read his links. 
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Comment #9 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 22:18:17 PT

FoM
Is there a way you can lose this troll?
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 22:13:13 PT

Max Flowers
No problem at all. I removed it.
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Comment #7 posted by Max Flowers on May 28, 2006 at 21:57:15 PT

FoM (OT)
Could you please delete those song lyrics I posted in the thread "Mary Jane Trumps Joe Camel" (comment #12) from a couple of days ago? I just read something someone wrote about the risks of posting intellectual property on the web, and now I'm feeling edgy about it being unreleased and exposed as it is. Thanks.
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Comment #6 posted by M Simon on May 28, 2006 at 21:56:48 PT:

Imperialism
The fight against addiction is a fight against a phantom menace:http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/11/is-addiction-real.htmlIs Addiction Real?andhttp://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/addiction-or-self-medication.htmlAddiction or Self Medication?*
Is Addiction Real?
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Comment #5 posted by lombar on May 28, 2006 at 13:14:54 PT

Junk science
re : nida"``is to lead the Nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction," federally supported marijuana research will logically tilt toward the potential harms, not benefits, of cannabis.
"If the study is not 'objective' ie biased to find harm, then it is not science at all. The true purpose of NIDA is to provide psuedoscience to prop up the war on drugs. If it was about doing real science they would be calling for the end of the drug war. The legal drugs kill far more people than the currently illegal drugs. The science is in, nothing about cannabis justifies the ongoing pogrom.
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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on May 28, 2006 at 09:27:22 PT

Oh hey that's a slap
"``Pluralism and economic competition are good for the consumer. We generally don't allow and empower monopolies in our culture-it's contrary to the tenets of our economic system.""Did he just call the President a Communist?
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Comment #3 posted by whig on May 28, 2006 at 09:06:06 PT

Music for this Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_4ntSUJyic
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:58:03 PT

Picture from Boston Globe Article
Someday everyone will be able to grow Cannabis like in this picture I hope. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/05/28/weed_control/
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on May 28, 2006 at 08:55:01 PT

Time To Re-Schedule
If they take Cannabis out of Schedule I the penalties will be less and I hope that those who want to make medicine out of Cannabis stand with us to change the laws because it is immoral to do otherwise. Money shouldn't be the decision maker. Chasing money is what is crippling our country. 
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