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  WP Chat Transcript: Marc Emery

Posted by CN Staff on March 21, 2006 at 11:02:17 PT
Washington Post Live Online Discussion 
Source: Washington Post 

Washington, D.C.: Do you think there is an image problem with the legalization movement? Why is it that most of the people who are advocating medical use don't look like doctors but instead look like 60s leftovers? Marc Emery: I agree, it would be nice to get more suits and fewer cliches attending rallies.
But those who have something to lose don't come to marijuana legalization rallies. If you can be fired, urine tested, suspected as a grower, because newspapers photographed you at a rally, then you won't get people with jobs, kids, security, status, etc to lose. Why don't teachers attend rallies? Their job. Why don't truckers attend rallies for pot? Urine-testing. Why don't mothers attend? Lose the kids. Appearing at a legalization rally implies you are doing illegal activity and this is thought in America to full of consequences. People at rallies typically are young people with no liklihood of stigma causing a compromise on their quality of life. I wish it weren't so, but a police state is effective at suppressing public dissent. Philadelphia, Pa.: I am one who believes that dangerous substances such as alcohol, tobacco, and pot should be regulated strongly but not illegal. Would you agree this is a consistent and logical position to take?Marc Emery: Cannabis might more accurately be regulated like coffee, although coffee is less value-added in that coffee workers are thought to be underpaid, exploited. Cannabis growers typicaly receive the highest price in the market of any cash crop. Alcohol and tobacco kill hundreds of thousands each year, cannabis kills no one. Is the alcohol and tobacco paradign really applicable? I think not. Cannabis is subtly consciousness changing, but I don't believe it is mind altering. One thing I tell young people, alcohol when consumed will have a person acquiesce to any kind of immorality, but pot does not change any moral perameters. For example, on alcohol, standards drop rapidly and women often end up having sex with someone they ordinarily wouldn't have sex with. On marijuana, that never happens. Pot never has you do something that goes against your moral beliefs when sober. Pot will have you enjoy more what you would already do. Alcohol will have you do things you would never do ordinarily. They are not similar. Alcohol is dangerous. Marijuana if it has undesirable effects, subsides quickly and with no long term damage. Laurel, Md.: Isn't it true that every known medicinal value of marijuana is available in some other therapy? And hence that the people who want it legalized for medical use really just want to smoke it? Marc Emery: This person may be right, maybe if a person toured the entire pharmocopiae, you might find the right substitute for marijuana medicine. But why bother? If marijuana works, then that is all the proof any sick person requires. Even if marijuana is not perfect medicine, why should anyone go to jail for believing it is medicine? Why should anyone go to jail over a plant? I find this argument about health and responsibility disingenuous. The president of Coors Breweries (Mr. Coors) has never once been before a court to account for the hundreds of thousands of death related to Coors products. Nor has the President of Philip-Morris ben before a court for the hundreds of thousands of tobacco deaths directly related to their products. Same with Smith-Wesson, Ford Motor Comnpany (who still make cars with speed limits two to three time the legal speed limit), Vioxx manufacturers. Yet because I provided safe seeds to consenting adults (not a one of whom complained!) in America, I face a prison term longer than what a multiple murderer would receive in a Canadian jail. And no one has ever been sentenced to one day in jail for seeds in Canada. Charlottesville, Va.: Does smoking pot (i.e. combustion) cause lung cancer?Marc Emery: No, smoking pot attacks cancers. Let me point out a fascinating empirical bit of news. No coroner or doctor or researcher has found that even one person has ever had respiratory or lung cancers from smoking pot exclusively. Yet many of us have been smoking for 30 and 35 years, non-stop for the most part, and no cancers! Why? Because THC attacks tumours. a 1974 World Health Org study showed that THC injected into rats shrank tumours by 50%!! It was suppressed by the US government and found by the Boston Globe in 1999. So when you take a big bong hit, you are delivering THC to the lungs, which attacks tumours. Pot itself is a vaso-dilator, unlike nicotine, which is a vaso-constrictor. That is why chewing tobacco causes lesions and cancers, it blocks the flow of blood and oxygen causing necrosis. Pot opens up arteries and blood vessel movement, causing increase blood flow and oxygen, and ultimately better health than normal! Arlington, Va.: Is pot a gateway drug in your opinion? I have my own, just want to see what the "Prince" thinks.Marc Emery: Pot is readily available, so I would concede that pot is an introductory experience. However, alcohol, nail polish remover, solvents, tobacco, parent's prescription drugs, stuff kids can easily find around the home are the bad gateways to substance abuse. All young people will abuse some substance (experience = trial & error), but long term abuse is the key concern. What creates addiction? I ran a drug addiction treatment house and treated 65 patients for hard core addictions like heroin, cocaine, crystal meth. I found that of those 65 patients, 60 did not have their biological father in their life for all or part of their childhood. This psychic wound went on to undermine their entire life. It was this discovery that lead me to see that drug addiction isn't about the drugs, its about childhood trauma. If someone has suffered childhood trauma, then they will go through every drug possible to chase away demons or fears. Ottawa, Canada: I am curious about your attitude about going to prison. You seem to think that by making a marytr of yourself the U.S. will change its repressive pot laws. Can you explain why you think this will happen?Marc Emery: I believe if I am extradited to the USA, then over the years that follow, on anniversaries, my birthday, etc. activists around the world will act against US government interests and policies around the world. I will encourage all those who believe as I do to take special and dramatic action to commemorate my imprisonment. I hope that my incarceration would be responsible for tens of thousands of new activists who will burn with a seething passion to undermine the US WAR on Drugs and the evil entities (DEA, ONDCP, the President) that thrive under this US form of fascism. Rockville, Md.: You're an idiot. You deserve to be locked up for your crimes. Why do you feel the need to throw your activities in the faces of law enforcement agents? Marc Emery: I believe that I have always kept the debate focused: Cannabis is a peaceful and honest lifestyle choice, endorsed in writings by Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, that is being suppressed by a Nazified, paramilitary organization (the DEA) acting under illegal authority from a White House that has usurped the Constitution. That is a rogue government in Washington DC and in a manner similar to Falun Gong, it is our duty through peaceful methods to rid the world of the evil that sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. That is why to defeat the US War on us we use peaceful means, education, and our peaceful spirit to show that there is evil in America and it needs to be addressed. Our enemy uses guns, weapons, helicopters, wire tapping, phone surveillance, snitches, informers, German Shepherd attack dogs, gulags and concentration camps. Is there any doubt what should be eradicated from the face of the earth? Winnipeg, Manitoba: Marc, what conditions contained in the MLAT treaty would allow the Canadian courts or government to refuse extradition?Marc Emery: Interestingly, if an extradition is based on politics (as this one surely is), that should negate the extradition. But the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty signed by Canada does not allow politics to be a reason for refusing the extradition -in drug cases! So I am screwed there, even though Karen Tandy (head of the DEA) repeatedly went on about my impact on the legalization movement (calling Cannabis Culture Magazine a propogandist magazine!). Only 3 people in 150 years have not been extradited to the US at the behest of the US government. And both my lawyer, 60 Minutes reporter Bob Simon, reiterated that the DEA wants me very badly. Montréal, Québec: Marc, why should you and the others Michelle and Greg be charged within Canada on a an canadian warrant and then not be prosecuted under Canadain law?? All the Best to the BC3Marc Emery: Because the Canadian political establishment that is in governance in Canada (The Liberal-Conservative parties) both want me out of the way for as long as possible, like the enemies of freedom (White House, DEA, Congress) in the USA do. In 10 years I achieved huge results in Canada and the world. I sent out over 4 million seeds, had people grow those plants out, over 10 years, probably produced 10 to 20 million marijuana plants around the world, forcing the expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars in Nazi police style activities in the USA, Canada and the world. Then with that money, I spent just under $4 million on court cases, lawyers for class action suits, ballot intiatives, politicians, elections, rallies, conferences, political parties, all peaceful, democratic investments, completely transparent, to subvert the US drug war and bring about a legal environment where cannabis can be taxed, regulated in a manner that addresses all social concerns. Ending prohibition, to say it simply. It was a genius plan. Produce millions of plants to Overgrow the Governments, give the US people what they want (they do want the marijuana, and they'd rather grow it themselves than buy Afghani or foreign pot) and then spend the money they have entrusted to me to achieve what Americans who must hide from their government cannot do, participate in the public process to end prohibition. Silver Spring, Md.: Megalomania, noble magalomania, but megalomania all the same. Marc Emery: But that is not a criticism of me, only my attitude. Criticism should be directed at my work. And where is the flaw in the raison d'etre or the execution of my ideas. All peaceful, honest, transparent. So easily contrasted with our enemies in Washington, deceptive, dishonest, megalomaniacal, armed to kill. Detroit, Mich.: You seem like a passionate activist. Why not focus your energy on something that would provide a greater good for all of society? Like getting rid of poverty, or pollution controls? I mean there are just so many worthwhile causes to benefit society as a whole instead of people who just want to get high. I had an uncle who smoked pot until he was in his 40s, his kids have problems because their dad smoked pot, but since he's stopped he's so much more fun to be around. I mean, do something to help everyone instead of creating an even more lazy society.Marc Emery: More people are in jail for non-violent, peaceful transactions about drugs than any other grotesque civil rights violation in the world. Since 1956, over 13 million Americans have been arrested for pot, several million spent significant times in jail for pot over those years. Why? No reason! Just pure state sponsored sadism! Currently there are over 100,000 in US jails for non-violent cannabis growing, selling, distributing or even possession. There are 150,000 more in jails worldwide for marijuana. This staggering in inhumanity to those jailed and their children and loved ones who are made miserable. And for what? To satisfy a sick and evil urge in the US government to make "the sinners pay". Thats all it is. Ideology that punishes people for their peaceful honest lifestyle choices. In our new to be released edition of Cannabis Culture Magazine, we profile the 10 longest serving pot prisoners in America, all have been in jail at least 14 years so far, and many have been in jail for 15 to 20 years on life sentences for distribution of pot. Rapper Weldon Angelos just received a 55 year sentence for selling a few ounces of pot. America is a prison state with over 2.5 million prisoners, many for drugs, which is the result of prohibition. If I can draw attention to the cesspool of abuse and incarceration that is America today, then I will be useful in jail. Silver Spring, Md.: What do you believe to be a reasonable age for a person to begin smoking marijuana. I myself first tried it at 13 and am kind of horrified in retrospect when I see how you 13 year olds appear now. I never smoked it with any regularity until the end of highschool and then went on to be a very successful college student, as well as a daily smoker. I consider myself a strong legalization advocate mostly for practical concerns relating to society as a whole but I have mixed feelings as to how I feel children should be educated about marijuana.Marc Emery: I didn't smoke marijuana until I was 22. I had my comic book business from 11 - 16 to keep me busy, then my bookstore from 17 - 22 to keep me busy. So I was a late bloomer. Realistically, kids discover stuff around their house. Getting liquor from the liquor cabinet, finding smokes about the house,going into the medicine cabinet. In British Columbia, 5% of all 10 year old boys are on Ritalin. Thats an amphetamine. And we wonder where they get an interest in crystal methamphetamine. When they find pot, its always fun. Thats why 80% of high school kids will try pot. The word from their friends is that pot is fun and pot is cool. and pot IS always cool. You look at who tells you pot is great - musicians, hip hoppers, rockers, artists, move actors, writers, poets, computer nerds, etc - and who tells you pot is not great -parents, treachers, police, priests and government. It is always the permanent uncool class of culture thats says pot is not good. POT was used by black jazz musicians in the 20's and 30's, beatniks (Kerouac, etc) in the 50's, the peace generation in the 60's, Hendrix, the Beatles, etc. c'mon, that is permanerntly cool. Pot is always cool. As long as its illegal, young people must have it. In this way we criminaliuze the natural curiosity of our youth and create an evilly apartheid like community. Munich, Germany: You're obviously a strong advocate of smoking marijuana. What is your opinion on the negative heath aspects (cancer (thinking of Bob Marley), concentration loss, motivation loss) versus positive health aspects of medicinal marijuana?Marc Emery: Bob Marley died of cancer of the toe, which spread through his blood to his brain. His lungs were free of cancer to the end. Any substance used by 164,000,000 people worldwide is going to have some health anomalies. Nothing can be used by that many people without some interesting unexpected effects. However, that is no reason anyone should go to jail. That is why I typically refuse to talk about health implications because it is the only time in human discourse where the health efficacy of a substance is used to jail us. For example, if we talk about deaths from trans fats or McDonald's french fries, no where in that discussion is it even implied or suggested that someone should go to jail for possessing those french fries or selling them. But in every discussion about the health effects of marijuana, the questioner is usually trying to draw a negative health inference specifically with the intent to justify prohibition of marijuana, that is the jailing and punishment of my people. So it isn't really about health, since jail is never an antidote to bad health, its about justifying the program against us with 'health' explanations. Evil stuff but subtle. Reston, Va.: I'm not sure if selling pot seeds by mail makes you a one-man criminal enterprise, but I cannot understand this administration's obsession when it comes to marijuana. I haven't smoked since college in the 1970s, but pot's value for relieving various medical symptons is documented and undeniable. When my grandmother stayed with me so I could take her to the hospital for daily radiation treatments, a bit of marijuana supressed her nausea better than any medication and without any side effects. I have had other friends who were forced to buy it illegally when it was the only thing that worked well enough to have a halfway normal existence and get through each day.Marc Emery: Governments are obsessed with marijuana because the marijuana people are peaceful, experimental, sexual, sensual, critical thinkers who reject one book dogmas, whether the dogma is Christian, Muslim, fundamentalism, or even the dogma of the Book of The Law. All the people who believe all the "answers" are in one book are very dangerous to the survival of the planet. That is why Falun Gong is so dangerous to the Communist Party of China. They put their spiritual self ahead of the Communist Party. They believe they have the right to practice autonomous, peaceful, behaviour and thoughts. They practice a peaceful and honest lifestyle choice that infuriates the Communist Party, to the extent that Falun Gong practitioners are tortured, jailed, executed, punished. The Cannabis culture is the same. Always governments, teachers, police, parents, priests, see the cannabis people questions their authority, which requires unquestioning obedience. We don't accept unquestioning obedience as a basis for life, so we are targetted by governments who need followers, not critical thinkers. Washington, D.C.: Are there currently any legal alternatives that produce the same effects as marijuana?Marc Emery: If there were, they'd be illegal. Its the call to critical thinking, repudiating dogma that marijuana brings out. That substance would be illegal. Actualizing substances that allow you to see beyond the Calvinist work-sacrifice-obediance to God (via the White House/Tehran/Jerusalem) are all illegal. Mushrooms, cannabis, DMT, all these substances that allow a person to see greater truths beyond the popular "imaginary friends" dogma of mainstream belief systems is illegal. Ever met a Deadhead that was menace? (Al Gore, maybe, but) mostly Deadheads are peaceful people, yet there are still over 100 people serving their second decade for distributing LSD at Grateful Dead concerts. LSD is one of the most beautiful experiences any human can have. And there they sit rotting in jail for delivering a beautiful experience to others. Washington, D.C.: I do agree that with the legalization good can come, tax dollars & cutting into the 'black market' but then the problem will lay how would the government control it. There are so many different 'brands' of chronic, which then leads to the problem of increasing the black market with just the 'heavier' chronic if not provided by the government. What should be the age limit, or would there be?Marc Emery: The system I envisage is this way. State governments licence farmers to grow marijuana, usually in Greenhouses in the rural areas. Its legal now, so theft won't be a big problem. People with gardens are allowed 10 plants in the back yard. Growing in residential houses is discouraged. Government would licence retail distributors. It would be labelled for potency and purity. It would be chosen like a coffee flavour, " Give me 10 grams of White Widow, 5 grams of Grapefruit. " Then it would be vacuum sealed and it would be a $100 fine to smoke on the streets, so you have to take it home to a private function, club or residence before it could be opened. The point of sale distributor would not be able to sell to those under 18, would collect applicable taxes. This would deprive millions from crime syndicates, stop the hundreds of thousands of teenagers who enter the illegal cannabis market every year to earn money, make everything transparent and obvious. Silver Spring, Md.: I would argue that the most influential cultural force on today's youth is hip-hop culture. It is a culture that is openly accepting of marijuana and reaps the commercial rewards of this stance. Do you find it ironic or infuriating that a culture that embraces Snoop as a marketable icon condemns his most public of indulgence? Marc Emery: Hip hop is very influential to young people, its a strange mix of mass conformity (haven't they been doing the same schtick for 15 years now!) posing as rebellion. However, clothes, music, even attitude isn't real rebellion. But pot is still rebellion. Anything that makes your parents,. teachers, and cops come down on you is definitely certified rebellion! And so they exploit that in the music. The problem is really that white guys who have been smoking every day for 30 years do not announce this. Paul McCartney, Neil Young, Robert Plant, Jack Nicholson, Harrison Ford, they all smoke marijuana every day and I would love it if those guys, and about 300 others I know who are white, old and famous, would come out and say it. Its too late for Art Garfunkel, he's out (and so is Paul Simon, 40 years and still smoking!) But they don't want their travel plans interrupted by Homeland Security, they don't want their label to drop them, etc. so they say nothing while being totally chronic. Its the hippies at the rallies paradigm, if you've got something to lose, you stay in the closet. Rockville, Md.: I smoked marijuana for over 10 years on a daily basis. Now that I have a wife that doesn't smoke and a new baby boy, I don't smoke at all. I need to clear a large number of fallen branches from the trees in our yard. It's going to require lots of cutting, the use of a chainsaw, and bundling up the pieces for disposal--and will take several hours. First the first time in a long while I've been like "Man I wish I had some weed before starting this!". I truly don't miss smoking that much, but it made yardwork SO MUCH EASIER for some reason. I would actually enjoy this monumental task if I had a big fat spliff beforehand. Marc Emery: One of the great values of marijuana is its utility in making boring routine work invigorating. It may sound odd to many, but you can handle serious responsibilities using pot and it may enhance your performance. The proof of competence is always performance, thats why urine testing is completely wrong. People need to be urine tested because no incompetence was visible at the actual performance level! That is the fraud of urine testing. It detects lifestyle but not performance! Many auto assemblyline workers know pot makes the job more interesting and engaging. Women who do housework find that housework is way more fun using pot. I found I was a better parent, driver, lover, teacher after smoking pot. Better businessman too. New York, N.Y.: Do you think that government persecution may have the effect that people who support our civil rights become disenchanted with their government and stop voting, thus resulting in elections tilted toward the law-and-order vote?Marc Emery: Lets hope they watch V for Vendetta, currently on at the movies. I am happy that a popular entertainment vehicle is promoting the idea that the government is the terrorist organization, with clear parallels to governments in Britain and the USA, the primary western terrorist organizations (Iran, China, Russia are the Asian terrorist governments). Even though its only a 'movie' it will be popular as a cult film in the years ahead, influencing people to look at their government in stark term. Although the July issue of Cannabis Culture has an article, " The 79 Excellent Congressmen and women of the House of Representatives. " its easy to see why pot smokers are disengaged from the political process. Watching Jon Stewart makes you feel informed and helpless at the same time! We need a revolutionary spirit in our politics, and we need to call for the end of the White House/Capitol Hill dominance of our daily life. I think more popular entertainment that creates an environment where people feel revolutionary is a very good thing. We need the 60's back, and of course, suppression of marijuana is all about repressing the 60's, Vietnam-war protests, the music, the revolutionary ethos. Washington, D.C.: Are you high now?Marc Emery: It would make this more fun, I'm exhausted! But I found out that my interviews weren't noticeably different high or otherwise. When I toured Canada in 2003 on my Summer of Legalization Tour, smoking a bong or one ounce joint in front of police stations, when I got arrested at 4.20, I was hauled off to jail after just the one toke. That happened in 6 cities. In the 12 cities I didn't get arrested in, I kept smoking non-stop and kept talking to the media for up to 90 minutes more. When I compared the interviews later on (high/not high) they were identical. Vancouver, B.C.: How can we get our teachers to teach our children the scientific, accurate and evidence based approach regarding drug use if we display a wanton disregard for people like Marc Emery who has brought more information regarding drug prevention and use to the forefront during the past 10 years of his career? Marc Emery: Why do we have police officers going into schools to talk about drugs? Shouldn't that be nurses, doctors, pharmacists and guidance counsellors? Its because we want to impress to kids that its not about health, its about going to jail. Its about breaking the arbitrary rules of society, and the punishment that goes with that. Its all about the punishment. If drugs were all legal and regulated, and we were honest with ourselves about health consequences, we would pay no attention to marijuana and psilocybin mushrooms, we would look at how to best protect ourselves from cars, stress, tobacco, alcohol, prescription drugs (average 62 year old is on 8 different medications - wow!), guns, and all the other actual dangers that exist in every day, real time culture. The Drug War is not about health. You cannot incarcerate your way to good health. The Drug War is all about obedience and dogma. Washington, D.C.: Marc, I am very pro ganja and I agree with many of the points you have made regarding the the pros and cons of marijuana verses legal vices such as alcohol and cigs. Even though I support your goal I don't like the rhetoric you are using to achieve it. The marijuana legalization movement will never be taken seriously by the mainstream because too many of its advocates come accross as radicals. When you say things like "a Nazified, paramilitary organization (the DEA) acting under illegal authority from a White House that has usurped the Constitution. That is a rogue government in Washington DC and in a manner similar to Falun Gong, it is our duty through peaceful methods to rid the world of the evil that sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" and "Our enemy uses guns, weapons, helicopters, wire tapping, phone surveillance, snitches, informers, German Shepherd attack dogs, gulags and concentration camps. Is there any doubt what should be eradicated from the face of the earth?" you come across as a little crazy. Comparing the DEA to the Nazis and implying that the goverment runs concentration camps is extreme and silly. How could you expect the average person in America to take you or you movement seriously when you say things like that? Concentrate on the fact that alcohol and tobacco are more addictive and destructive then marijuana yet they are legal. That kind of logical argument will get a much better reaction from a housewife in Kansas because it makes sense. PS I have a great cartoon from the New Yorker on my fridge that has a bunch of Senators standing around smokings joints. The caption reads, "if hippies had drank booze instead of smoked in the 70s"Marc Emery: I run into this criticism but the evidence is plain. When you see eight guys in black kevlar with DEA or SWAT on their back, carrying battering rams to smash the front door, with stun grenades, tasers at the ready, with snarling German Shepherds, screaming get down! get down! and invading a home...over some plants, and you think thats normal, thats Karen Tandy's wet dream (if she has any, it'll be about that image). That scene above happens every hour in America, and its the same scene as Schindler's List, my friend, except no American really wants to believe that, as Pogo said in 1954 (alluding to Joe McCarthy) " we have met the enemy, and it is us." Gulags that hold more prisoners in America than any other country including all the dictatorships, by absolute numbers and by per capita. Thats hardly "land of the free" advertising. Black uniformed Nazified police indeed, they are everywhere in America today. "Patriot" Act, an Orwellian title to herald an end to the very Constitution a "patriot" would seek to save and protect. Its all gone wrong in America and Americans have an obligation to do some heavy work and return to the values of liberty because now those values-gone-wrong are infecting the rest of the western world. The DEA has offices in 78 countries now, extending the pernicious DEA beast into all those countries. Excepting Venezuela, and soon, Bolivia, that got the courage up to boot the US government out. New York, N.Y.: In the states that have had medicalization on the ballot, it has been overwhelmingly popular. The percentage of voters in favor of medicalization far exceeds that of any presidential candidate. So why are politicians afraid of embracing such a popular issue? One might also note that, if recent history is any guide, a Democrat cannot win the White House without either supporting decriminalization (Carter) or using pot himself (Clinton, Kennedy). Going back further, one could note that FDR's advocacy of ending prohibition was a large factor in his election (even though he ended up signing into law the new prohibition in 1937).Marc Emery: The people who go to the ballot have American compassion and so they support the idea that in America you are free to put in your own body what you need to stay well. However, politicians know it is all about "control". The purpose of government is not to protect our liberty but to control our access to liberty and choices. No government gives up control easily, readily or without a fight. Government sees its sole purpose as control. I hope anyone who wishes to read more about my work goes to -- http://www.cannabisculture.com/ On that page is a piece called "My message to you" which is a good summing up of my work over the last 10- years and an assessment of my situation. Thank you. These were the most intelligent questions and I am pleased with them. Source: Washington Post (DC)Chat Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2006Copyright: 2006 Washington Post Contact: letterstoed washpost.comWebsite: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ Related Articles:High Crimes, or A Tokin' Figure?http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21671.shtml CBS: 60 Minutes Prince of Pot ~ Transcript http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21645.shtml Prince of Pot Fights Extradition on Drug Chargeshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21224.shtml

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Comment #82 posted by Hope on March 23, 2006 at 08:51:13 PT
Afterburner
You've been like Santa Claus lately.Coming in quietly after the rest of us are asleep...leaving post presents for us to see in the morning.I'm sure that means you are extra busy, but not forgetting us.Thanks.
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Comment #81 posted by Hope on March 23, 2006 at 08:48:48 PT
gw's comment 73
Huzza! Huzza!
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on March 23, 2006 at 08:34:21 PT
Jose
Welcome to the prisoner mail game. Aaaarggh!
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Comment #79 posted by jose melendez on March 23, 2006 at 06:34:20 PT
Win Restitution
I received Steven Wynn Kubby's comissary money order yesterday afternoon marked return to sender attempted - not know unable to forward.Sending to Kubby's atty. this morning.
Drug war is crime. Demand restitution. - Million Marijuana Lawsuits
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Comment #78 posted by afterburner on March 22, 2006 at 21:19:44 PT
For Those Interested a Fascinating Strategy Chat
HAMILTON: UP IN SMOKE CAFE BUSTED
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1220754&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1Read Canadian cannabis activists calling for co-ordinated activism. This is the discussion I've been looking for in Canada since the January federal election of the Conservative minority government. Many of the activists reveal their identity as part of their normalization, regulation & legalization strategy. They also recognize that many Americans do not have that luxury, due to the heavy-handed DEA, ONDCP, local police forces, and the federal government (all branches). They also know that the RCMP and other PTB's are reading the forums as well.
100th Monkey
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Comment #77 posted by global_warming on March 22, 2006 at 16:39:50 PT
if you have that flu
best that you rest and take care,when all this congestion is gone,you can see more clearly,your handat that table'where 'we (those people) have "voted,decided, to end the war,The War has ended,Prosperity was some cheap article that glimmered in that pool of useless evolutionary misfits, greedy and forgotten births, who now must face, their place before the table with 'clean linen,These times mark not only the end of Cannabis prohibition, they mark the place in this Eternal World, where, a vote, has been casted, that has seen the flesh and soul of every mother loving child, who has been here, and forever marks this space and time.
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Comment #76 posted by global_warming on March 22, 2006 at 16:20:57 PT
sounds like
you got that 'cannabis flu,not much different than that Christian Flu,
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 16:13:33 PT
global_warming 
Thank you. This bug is taking it's toll on a number of people I know. It just won't go away. It makes me so tired. 
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Comment #74 posted by global_warming on March 22, 2006 at 16:03:54 PT
sorry fomme
hope you are feeling better, and may that next slow news reveal the end of Cannabis prohibition, in the meantime, those demons who succor existence on the tits from hell, drink our blood and spit out venom.
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Comment #73 posted by global_warming on March 22, 2006 at 15:30:41 PT
and while this topic is on
for my 2 cents,you can send Hector Gozales, to the Middle East,along with them bungling old men, in their secular and sectarian black robes, who pretend to respect law and write "opinions" of which, many living and breathing "human beings" are perpetually forced into enslavement, into those prisons that have the signature of the dark red one.In the meantime, people like the Clintons and Bushes, have not yet tasted the heel of this war in their back yards, though they never 'inhaled, they were too busy sucking the life out of the blood of America, may God have Mercy upon their wretched souls.There will come a time for each and all of us, when we will have to look into that pool, that infinite pool, that is deeper than the law and human understanding, it is at that shore that I lay prostate and witness, the great glory that is before us.End Cannabis prohibition.
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Comment #72 posted by global_warming on March 22, 2006 at 14:54:20 PT
I meant to say
Marc is not the Prince of Pot,He is the Messiah of Marijuana,Canada should not release Marc Emory or allow extradition to the US, let Canada stand up and draw that line in the sand, let Canada mark this place and time, when it said "No, to those foaming at the mouth dea boys and girls, who should have been sent to the Middle East, to spread democracy, so that 'We those people could see and read about how truly brave and courageous they really are.
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 13:49:27 PT
Marc Emery is Sweet! ????
Check out some the pictures over at http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=261#261And oh my gosh...in the sweetest one...you can easily imagine God the Father on one shoulder and God the Son on the other! It's better than the one of Bush with his slightly ominous looking litter halo caused by the background in that church like place he spoke.(I am full of it. :0) But....you'll see.)Go look! Just tell me if you don't see it.
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Comment #70 posted by b4daylight on March 22, 2006 at 13:42:48 PT
nice
Nice interview.I like Emery's honesty and devotion. he's good because hes been doing it for so long, and of course does more research. Nice Fourms too. It is a modern day witch hunt, Prosucted for a lifestyle. 
No short term danger occurs; weening one's problem is acceptable overtime if so desired, and able live within a citizen. 
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Comment #69 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 11:01:08 PT
Kay Lee...
No, she hasn't answered the particular post where I told her about Jerry and asked if she could do anything. I'll give her another day or so and rewrite her. Jerry's situation is never far from my mind. Sometimes I wake up in the night grieving or worrying about him.For a plant!This morning my face was nothing but sinus pain. I cleaned potpourri last night. It was very, very dusty and had lots of super fine glitter in it as well. Something was sparkling in the throw away dust and particles that build at the bottom. I have a few baskets of really beautiful potpourri pieces. But they get dusty ....very dusty and the most peculiar thing I've noticed about people's habits when potpourri is around. When you have a lot of guests of all ages milling around your home, you need to clean the potpourri occasionally for more than dust and refreshing it, even. People seem to ditch little things in the potpourri baskets! Bit's of little broken things or tiny pieces from small broken toys and odds and ends of little foil candy and gum wrappers seem to accrue in the stuff. Guess they couldn't find the garbage can. I also discovered, especially last evening, that I'm as guilty as anyone. How many times have you been fluffing arangements or something and a tiny leaf or flower bud falls off right before you are expecting company? I was wondering where those type things were collecting lately. Sometimes you drop them back in the vase they were in or a nearby drawer...but I apparently found it very handy just to tuck them down into the potpourri...out of sight but not lost.Any way, I breathed a ton of potpourri dust last night and dang...the pain. I wonder if my sinuses are sparkly. There doesn't appear to be glitter in the potpourri...but there is some dang lot of sparkly dust collecting at the bottom of the baskets...and you slap the basket against something to knock the dust out of it....and Viola...you get to breathe glittery dirt. Next time I "rob that train", I'll wear a mask!Oh yes....remember we were talking about bead curtains and doorways the other day. The one in my bathroom is pushed to the side of the entrance to the private area, where it makes an area where all the bead strings are congregated to the side. That new lab I inherited recently...well you know he has a monster tail and he wags it vigorously, a lot. He follows me everywhere. When I'm in the bathroom and he can see that I'm fixing to leave the room...he jumps up happily to escort me to our next destination. When he stands up and goes to tail wagging in anticipation of my next move...he backs right into that curtain and it's a bead tornado! We both get beaten by a storm of blue beads and he doesn't seem to mind it...just wags that tail and beats them into the air more furiously than ever.By the way, I named him Snowy...he looks a bit like a polar bear and is a very large yellow lab. I noticed my husband gazing at him thoughtfully for a bit the other day. He finally asked, "Did you name him Snowy because he sheds like a snow storm every where he goes?"
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Comment #68 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 10:17:32 PT
Hope
Did Kay Lee ever get back with you about someone visiting Jerry?
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 10:15:08 PT
Hope
I e-mail Linda this morning. I want to write to Jerry but I want to know how he is doing so I know what to write about. I got pretty colored stationery and will use one of each type because he needs to see pretty colors.
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 10:12:47 PT
Hope
I got the best idea. Let's make colds illegal. Just kidding. I'm afraid this will be hanging around for a while since my husband and the couple that rent from us are still sick. I got it last. I'll be better by summer! LOL! Seriously I am congested and fuzzy in my head and coughing and sneezing. The sinus headache is gone and I know why Whig minds headaches. Headaches and toothaches are really disabling for me.
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Comment #65 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 10:11:48 PT
Toker00
I'm a "gusher". Can't help it. I like to respond to what I think about posts...and to "encourage" one another...you guys. I try to avoid getting so gushy, that it's syrupy sweet or sickening or something. But sometimes the sugar, never saccharine, just flows.If we were in person, I'd be nodding my head in agreement and approval or wonder...but comments are usually the only way that you can see I'm nodding my head.Bandwidth would be saved if I just say "Head nod"...I'm like a bobbing doll on a dashboard with this string.
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 10:06:37 PT
This morning
When I looked at the comment string, it made me happy. What? At least three new posters it looks like, and the familiar old names...like Kaptinemo and others. Always good to see Kap's moniker. And then I get here and see all the grace and love and that Whig's headaches are improving! I'm high on you guys.FoM...I hope this isn't one of those long roads of bronchitis or something. You've been not feeling so well for a few days now. I always try to count the days to better. I wonder if Jerry has a release date...although it might be "out yonder", with hope for a sooner date happening... that we can mark the days to?Welcome posters that stepped from lurk to speak! Every time I see a new one I think of a new leaf budding out on a branch of a beautiful tree.
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Comment #63 posted by lombar on March 22, 2006 at 09:27:55 PT
Way before the beatles! ;)
Never indeed is hatred stilled by hatred; it will only be stilled by non-hatred — this is an eternal law.— Dhp., vv. 4-5
Where There is Passion
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Comment #62 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 09:19:25 PT
Spam
Spam in the place where you work. Now face north.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 09:18:04 PT
BGreen 
I agree. I don't get many comments in my Greendale Guest Book so when someone signs it I get an e-mail telling me about it. The last few times have been spam so I set it that I have to ok it before it is made public by me. Spam is everywhere.
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Comment #60 posted by BGreen on March 22, 2006 at 09:12:00 PT
I think that's a good idea, FoM
You can't be too careful.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 09:04:51 PT
BGreen
I went ahead and cut some of the e-mail out. I thought I should.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 08:48:12 PT

BGreen 
I'm glad you mentioned that about the e-mail. E-mail is only necessary for registration. I have had good luck with the spam filter on Yahoo. I don't use my regular e-mail address for much at all. What I really like about a Yahoo account is I can send important information to my account and I will have it if my computer crashes. I send passwords and things like that that would be hard to recover and just store them there.
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Comment #57 posted by BGreen on March 22, 2006 at 08:38:11 PT

Welcome, Genthirdday
We're happy to have you as a poster.In case you didn't know, you don't have to post your email address for everybody to see unless you want to.I'm sure FoM can remove it if you don't want the world to see it.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 08:30:44 PT

Genthirdday 
You're welcome. We really do have a great group of people here on CNews. I wish we had more news but it's just a really slow time. 
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Comment #55 posted by Genthirdday on March 22, 2006 at 08:16:08 PT:

FoM
Thanks for posting the WP Marc Emery Transcript,a really great interview.Thank you for CN News and the work you do. The people who post are truly great humans. CN News meets many needs, educational, spiritual, artistic, musical, supportive,and so much more.The DEAth squads are not happy.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 07:13:08 PT

Had Enough 
Good to see you. This is a busy time of year for many of us. The news is slow but we keep on keepin' on.
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Comment #53 posted by Had Enough on March 22, 2006 at 06:28:02 PT

Hopping & Grinding Daily
Toker00. Same here. Daily grind has been keeping me hopping too. Haven’t even checked to read for a while until this morning.But anyways, I just thought I would check in and see how the Knights of Cannabis (KoC) are coming along, and it looks good. Fine Crew here.Marc Emery is blazing trails. Go for it. He might be called a Prince, but his Knighthood is what I see. (Sir Marc Emery)I'll bet Mrs. Runruff has already hugged here dogs today.Register and Vote!!! Take a friend with you and share the ride.
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Comment #52 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 06:15:50 PT

Max
Speaking of Terence McKenna, if he was right it's only six and a half years to go until the old system is done and the new system begins. Do we seem to be on track?
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Comment #51 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 06:10:09 PT

Hey Hope!
Btw, my headaches are decreasing in intensity. I notice when I go to bed especially, I can lie down and it's just much reduced compared to before the chiropractor started working on me.Thanks for encouraging me to go. You're the best!
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Comment #50 posted by Toker00 on March 22, 2006 at 03:54:03 PT

Hope
By "it" I mean THE SPIRIT.Toke.
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Comment #49 posted by Toker00 on March 22, 2006 at 03:52:25 PT

Simply put, whig,
"You reap what you sow."I haven't had much time to do more than read. Pressed to produce at work and in family life. Rescued a family member from the clutches of poverty. Life is busy at the moment, but I am reading every word you guys write. Emery is the real thing. Hope, you are so full of it! :) I hope you never run dry. Your humor is unigue. I would like to praise each and every one of you, but I am pressed for time. Work becons.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #48 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 23:01:20 PT

lombar
You cannot reduce suffering by creating it. You cannot make peace by waging war.You get what you create. Or as John Lennon said, "The love you take is equal to the love you make."
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 21:55:00 PT

Hope
I am quiet because I still am really under the weather so I can't really give the review it deserves. It's a documentary that starts out when WAMM was raided and covers the medical marijuana thru the years from wins to our losses. It summed up where we were in the beginning, some history of cannabis as medicine, where we went, and looking forward to the future. It's was tasteful, down to earth, sad and happy. We aren't a small number of people but an army of people. We are dedicated and hopeful and passionate. 
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Comment #46 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 21:43:56 PT

FoM
I'd like to hear more about that Waiting To Inhale. Can you tell us anything?
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 21:36:57 PT

Lombar 42
"The other great point is if the state is acting to protect the 'health' then how is that achieved with prisons?"Disease spreads like wildfire within prison walls.

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Comment #44 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 21:23:34 PT

Head nods.
Head nods all over the place.
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 21:08:51 PT

Hear! Hear!
and Hey! Hey!to those comments!Almost sounds like Marc of the Seed might have asked a non-imaginary God for help...and got it.Didn't you sense the gracefulness of it? He was graceful.Very exceptionally graceful.

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Comment #42 posted by lombar on March 21, 2006 at 20:59:00 PT

Damnant quod non intellegunt
"Marc Emery: Governments are obsessed with marijuana because the marijuana people are peaceful, experimental, sexual, sensual, critical thinkers who reject one book dogmas, whether the dogma is Christian, Muslim, fundamentalism, or even the dogma of the Book of The Law. All the people who believe all the "answers" are in one book are very dangerous to the survival of the planet."I like that one. The people puff, the fundies huff, and the gangs and cops snuff. People burn plants and inhale the smoke and the state responds with helicopters and swat teams...'criminal entrepenuers' fill the lucrative demand for substances, who is doing the violence? Although I would not say that quote is true for all cannabis users. A large number of them. I certainly agree that people in this day and age should compare the various belief structures and find the commonalities. You cannot reduce suffering by creating it. You cannot make peace by waging war. Conflicts are 'profitable' so we suffer them. People are just grist for the mill.The other great point is if the state is acting to protect the 'health' then how is that achieved with prisons? ...
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Comment #41 posted by John Tyler on March 21, 2006 at 19:47:37 PT

Great interview
Great interview. He is unflappable, sharp and cool. I wish him and his Cannabis Culture the best. He is getting some great press too. 60 minutes and now the Washington Post. Even in this time of great personal stress he is getting his message out.
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Comment #40 posted by rchandar on March 21, 2006 at 19:07:15 PT:

i like this guy...
...he makes a good point about drugs. the logic is that you shouldn't enjoy anything without having to "work for it." ...i'd also like to make another point. one of the reasons that "narcotics" are illegal is that they are not indigenous to Western or white societies. Opium, cannabis, coca, all came from non-Western societies. Alcohol is indigenous to European societies; tobacco is something white people grew in America. So, alcohol and tobacco are legal, and "drugs" are illegal. It's racism. And the Third World governments, begging for multimillion-dollar aid packages that will build "respect" and "industry" swear they will stamp out drugs. Doesn't matter if narcotics are the only way that farmers can feed their families, they're treated as criminals. Why, the US government has a "certification" program for drugs, based on which they decide if countries will receive monetary aid. It's racism, plain and simple.But, er, they don't want you to hear that.--rchandar
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Comment #39 posted by runderwo on March 21, 2006 at 18:58:35 PT

consciousness changing
"Cannabis is subtly consciousness changing, but I don't believe it is mind altering."This is an important point. The very phrase "mind-altering" is a propaganda phrase, and I never realized it before now.
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Comment #38 posted by ekim on March 21, 2006 at 18:48:35 PT

support a Leap event near you
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Comment #37 posted by mayan on March 21, 2006 at 18:24:01 PT

Extremist?
Emery isn't the one caging others for using a plant. Emery isn't the one hell bent on starting WWIII. He makes it very clear where the extremist beast resides.THE WAY OUT...Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htmWhy Larry Silverstein can’t get it up:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_611.shtmlConservatives for 9/11 Truth:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28070
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 18:14:15 PT

Waiting To Inhale
All I can say is it was fantastic. http://www.waitingtoinhale.org/
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 17:45:23 PT

Happy dance! Happy dance!
I made a poem. Sort of. I think. Maybe.The happy dance was fun, anyway.
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 17:42:33 PT

gw...a poetical effort 
The husk is like a flower petal upon the seed.It's light.Pale green,Like a fairy.

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Comment #33 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 17:40:59 PT

Waiting To Inhale
We are watching the DVD now and it is covering such a broad area of interest and it is very well done.http://www.waitingtoinhale.org/PS: Hope I was 25.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 17:21:00 PT

First smoked pot
It was the summer of my twenty seventh birthday.It wasn't for the Holiness that it can be. It was more about hysterical survival. Thankfully, It really helped me. I was hamburger meat. I finally learned to enjoy my beloved children instead of going crazy all the time over their Dad.AAArrrggh...It helped me until I smoked two or three ounces of paraquat.Whooee Baby! Whooee!
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on March 21, 2006 at 17:15:19 PT

This horrible pressure on Marc Emery
is doing to him what I've seen it do to others on occasion. He has become brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. He was sharp and on top of it, before, but nothing like this. He's cast off that arrogant air he had that kind of irritated some of us, and is humbled, obviously, by the situation he finds himself in, and is so much the wiser, smarter, and better for it. It's changed him, like I've seen hardship and travail change others. It's made him better. Remarkably better.60 Minutes was impressive. This chat was simply brilliant. He's up against the wall, and amazing things are flowing from his mind and spirit. I'd like to say that the Canadian government surely won't let the DEA have him. Surely. But, I've been wrong too many times when it comes to understanding man's ability to be inhumane to his fellow man. I can't understand how those that do so are able to so readily be the tool of injustice...but they do it. Often with terrifying and disgusting zeal.My prayer is, so much, that the Canadians not give him up. I will qualify it as a miracle if they don't give him to the Dark Evil Angels, and praise God for it. Maybe the Canadian government and the people who decide this question of extradition are wise, brave, and strong. But the chances of them behaving in an exactly opposite fashion… foolishly, cowardly, and weak, are running high, if their recent behavior towards Tuck and Kubby is any indication of what they might or might not do. Once, I had hope in the strength of the Canadian government and their leaders in this matter. I don't anymore. I'm truly impressed with Marc, though, and I have some exceptional amount of confidence in him now. Truly. It used to kind of irritate me when Marc said he was our "leader". That seemed excessively impudent to me. I'm fine with that now. He's really looking like a leader to me, now. I'd be honored to carry a banner for Marc Emery and I so hope the best for him. He is proving himself to be so worthy of the task before him. So worthy.Love you, Marc! Way to go! 
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Comment #30 posted by global_warming on March 21, 2006 at 17:01:58 PT

What is that 'spirit?
It is that 'twinkleThat 'hand, with that most gentle touch,that can open the door,that can release and 'free you,bring you 'justice and end yours and mine 'nightmare,take hold, embrace that which you love most dearly,prepare that 'table,you are not only 'witness,you have 'inherited treasures that 'twinkle in the Night,it is in that 'foreverthat 'we, may seeour 'handsthe shape and angerhow 'we have brought our 'fists, handsto the table,that has clean linen,
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Comment #29 posted by global_warming on March 21, 2006 at 16:37:05 PT

catch that wave
Joh 3:1 There was a man from the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. Joh 3:2 This man came to Him at night and said, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him." Joh 3:3 Jesus replied, "I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."Joh 3:4 "But how can anyone be born when he is old?" 
Nicodemus asked Him. "Can he enter his mother's womb a second time and be born?" Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.Joh 3:6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.Joh 3:7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going.So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 16:33:50 PT

whig 
What I really love about CNews are the people. Think about this. This is the first time in the history of the world that people could get together and communicate with each other in real time. In a forum like this it is better then a chat room because people that are away from the computer can catch up and join in when they have time. I think it's really a miracle.
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Comment #27 posted by Max Flowers on March 21, 2006 at 16:20:27 PT

whig
If I could give you a picture of "Berkeley people" (can't *really* because it's so just diverse), I would say they are caring, progressive and smart, a lot like the folks on CNews. But I've never lived in Berkeley, just spent time there on occasion... so my sense of it is from that limited experience and living in the general area.Here are some things that seem to typify Berkeley to me: ethnic restauraunts, lots of young people from the university, cool shops, did I say good ethnic food...? There is also the vibe and sights of a big city in many areas, unfortunately. The reality is, it's a fairly good sized city. But there are many ways to get respite from that vibe I think, and it helps knowing that it's a city with its heart in the right place.And once you settle in you'll have the option to come just 40 minutes north and be among rolling pastures and streams and vineyards and the cows and sheep and hawks and etc etc.! Sonoma county is realy nice this time of year with everything geting green again after a little sun.
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Comment #26 posted by global_warming on March 21, 2006 at 16:19:42 PT

they were
great and so very true answers,may they resonate"in the many' and hearts throught this 'land.
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Comment #25 posted by Max Flowers on March 21, 2006 at 16:09:14 PT

Emery interview
Man, one thing you have to give Emery, whether you like him personally or not is that he has his facts straight! He knows the argument inside out. Those were great answers.
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Comment #24 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 16:08:41 PT

Max
Thanks for the correction, I'm sorry if I misspoke, but I did understand a lot of people including Terence had a problem ever breaking that particular addiction.I really am looking forward to moving and it feels like I'm getting a kind of reprieve from the prison I grew up in, even though I've been fortunate to avoid what a lot of people have had to deal with. It's more the social atmosphere, and the underground scene here is quite a bit more deeply underground and involved in too much else that I don't want to be part of anymore. I don't want anything really to do with all the strange stuff people mess themselves up with, and everyone is all crazy paranoid. It's lame. The people here on CNews are precisely the kind of people I can't find around here, people I could easily hang out with every weekend if they lived nearby.Hey, if you might be interested in some of my strange experiences I'll email you about some stories.
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Comment #23 posted by global_warming on March 21, 2006 at 16:00:07 PT

I Am
here also,that is some article,need more time to read and re-read,in the washington post no less,Marc, if you can read this,You are not the "Prince of Pot,You are the Messiah of Pot,As long as I live,I promise, to bring 'sweet scented flowers,Wherever you are.
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Comment #22 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 15:47:31 PT

FoM
Guess I'm not paranoid enough to care who reads what I have to say about this stuff, since I'm not holding or engaging in anything for which I'd be liable to be persecuted for. I think as long as we watch the lines and don't cross them we should be able to talk without fear. This really is a religious thing for me and I'm talking about my faith every day I post here.
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Comment #21 posted by Max Flowers on March 21, 2006 at 15:43:09 PT

Hi whig
Very interesting story of your "drug history". Quite unusual to discover cannabis last like that.I wanted to correct you about Terence McKenna... he didn't die from ketamine, he died of brain cancer. Some people think it might have been from using those early cellular phones, which he was on a lot in the years preceding his death and which I guess had much greater electromagnetic radiation. The cancer was on the same side of his head as where he held the phone.I'm glad you're pumped to be coming to the bay area. Looking forward to you getting here.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 15:34:56 PT

Whig
You didn't scare me. It is quiet today. I believe there are people who don't want to comment on a Marc Emery article. When you look back over the years you know problems have been everywhere and now this is getting very serious. How do we help people to heal from the fighting that has gone on in different circles? 
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Comment #19 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 15:17:00 PT

Where is everyone?
Did I scare everyone away? Whoo it's quiet on the forum today.
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Comment #18 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 13:12:27 PT

Cannabis was my gateway drug...
But not in the sense this is normally meant.Cannabis was the END of my drug exploration, not the beginning. I started with Nutmeg, actually, then a lot of psychedelics, Salvia divinorum, Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, MDMA, 5-MeO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, mushrooms, LSD, Mescaline (not a pain-killer, btw), and for a year at least I was able to walk without a cane on a completely busted hip and it was wonderful, but I was increasingly sleepless and this led me into the bad spiral of depressants, GHB, Heroin, GBL, and I was bust. Then Cannabis came along, and fixed me. Got me out of my addictions and purged me of everything.
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Comment #17 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 13:03:52 PT

I was in a lot of pain...
I was medicating myself. I was trying whatever I thought might help. Surprisingly a lot did, but I got lost for awhile too. I never had Ketamine either, btw, but it would probably have hooked me badly, so it's a good thing. A lot of good people ultimately died from Ketamine, John Lilly, Terence McKenna...
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 13:02:39 PT

Whig
I didn't do many drugs. I did do Meth for a year or so and that's why I don't like it. It's not a good drug because it's too good if that makes sense. I tried Coke one time and it was nothing compared to Meth so that was it. The designer drugs just weren't around when I was in my short experimental time with drugs. I had more problems with prescription drugs years later.
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Comment #15 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:58:21 PT

Others I never wanted to try...
PCP, Datura, there are actually quite a few. So I overstated a bit. But I had exposure to a lot of things.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 12:57:01 PT

I Like This
Marc said: We need the 60's back, and of course, suppression of marijuana is all about repressing the 60's, Vietnam-war protests, the music, the revolutionary ethos. 

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Comment #13 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:56:33 PT

FoM
The only drugs I really have no experience of are cocaine and methamphetamine. Which, for all the harm they do, are Schedule II, not prohibited.
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Comment #12 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:53:01 PT

Kava
Btw, it's kind of a mild anxiolytic, somewhat sedating, but not profoundly spiritual.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 12:48:57 PT

Whig
No it really isn't the same thing. Nothing is like Cannabis. That's what's so darn wrong. It just can't be duplicated and they won't let people have it.
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Comment #10 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:46:30 PT

FoM
Nah. I've had Kava. It's not the same.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 12:44:16 PT

Whig
Did you know that Kava Kava Extract has similar properties to Cannabis? 
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Comment #8 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:41:48 PT

FoM
I'm waiting to inhale. We're all waiting, except those of us fortunate enough already to be in a space where they don't have to wait. I haven't seen that film yet, either. But I think the sentiment is clear enough.We should have our daily bread. We are starving.
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Comment #7 posted by dongenero on March 21, 2006 at 12:41:33 PT

Go Emery
Man! That is a great interview. He is very good at making his points based on logic and reasoning. Unflappable too, when people question his reasoning or methods. He just comes back again and reinforces his point in such a way that it really cannot be denied.
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Comment #6 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:37:58 PT

OT: Stuff I'm reading today
Daniel Schulman on Thimerosol (Mercury) and Autism:http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/6/Schulman.aspRebecca Culshaw on the HIV/AIDS hypothesis:http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw2.htmlJohn Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt on the Israel lobby and US foreign policy:http://tinyurl.com/gz6vt
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 12:37:09 PT

whig 
The movie I just got Waiting To Inhale came from a Berkeley address. I started watching it and then stopped it because I really want to pay attention and I have some work to get done right now. It is nicely packaged and even the DVD has pretty art work. As far as Marc Emery goes I hope he won't be sent to prison here in the states. I feel sorry for him.
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Comment #4 posted by whig on March 21, 2006 at 12:29:55 PT

Good interview
I'm in agreement with most of what Marc says, but I don't favor the regulatory regime he advocates. I wonder if that isn't a sort of politically palatable position one takes when interacting for a long time with mainstream media and it gets tiring to defend the idea of homegrown and letting parents be responsible for making decisions about their own children rather than setting up government rules to "protect kids from pot."I really do want to watch V for Vendetta, btw, and I get a strong hint that Marc agrees that radical social change is needed more than political campaigning. He's kind of got a toe in both, though. Again, it's the mainstream acceptance thing, I guess.Btw, I'm an occasional that looks very much forward to becoming chronic again. Back a couple years ago, I was chronic for a few months, but I was in too much pain and withdrawal from other things and it was necessary that I find sobriety, and circumstances where I live now aren't really the most comfortable for the lifestyle I'd prefer. Berkeley, now, that's perfect!
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Comment #3 posted by Bhicks on March 21, 2006 at 11:47:22 PT:

Emery rocks!
That was certainly refreshing. I don`t know why (some) people don`t like Marc Emery. I`ll admit, he`s pretty full of himself at times, but I honestly think that`s a good thing in his position.Good job Mr. Emery. Salut.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 11:20:34 PT

Waiting To Inhale
I just received Waiting To Inhale in the mail. So far it is very good.http://www.waitingtoinhale.org/
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on March 21, 2006 at 11:03:50 PT

Just a Note
These are the chat transcripts from the Washington Post. I did my best to correct any spelling errors but I might have missed a few words.
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