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  Experts Debate Privacy, Pot

Posted by CN Staff on February 10, 2006 at 10:54:41 PT
By Andrew Petty, Juneau Empire 
Source: Juneau Empire 

Alaska -- Alaskans who smoke pot proudly point to a clause in the state constitution that the courts say allows them to keep up to 4 ounces in their homes.But state Chief Assistant Attorney General Dean Guaneli said the constitutional right to privacy was not designed to permit residents to harbor drugs. Guaneli and Juneau civil rights attorney Doug Mertz swapped barbs on the issue Thursday at the Bill Egan Forum luncheon at the Baranof Hotel.
A bill in the Alaska Legislature this session aims to overturn a 1975 court decision that said Alaskans' right to privacy outweighs the state's interest in criminalizing marijuana. Guaneli said the courts ruled that an Alaskan has the right to keep private from the public what he or she puts into his or her body.Alaska voters amended the constitution in 1972 to explicitly guarantee the right to privacy."You might think the right to privacy in the Alaska Constitution floated out of the frontier free spirit in Alaska," Guaneli said.But according to newspaper articles he read from the era, Guaneli said, the amendment was a reaction to a new criminal justice system being created in the 1960s to fight organized crime. In 1968, federal legislation was passed to give states funding for criminal investigation tools. Undercover agents spying on suspects were using computers and recording devices for the first time in some districts."All of the sudden people were nervous," Guaneli said. Sponsors of the amendment proposed the change to the constitution to address the public's fear over losing its privacy.Mertz, who was also in Alaska during the 1970s, said people were standing up for their freedom to make their own decisions on everything from growing long hair to smoking marijuana.He added that today the far right and far left both argue for freedoms but not the same ones. Missed opportunities go by because the two sides fight against each other instead of working on the same goals, he said."Big Brother government is all too happy to control our freedom of speech," Mertz said.The 1975 court decision known as Ravin v. State was one of the first cases to test the new amendment and tell the government it should not go places where it doesn't belong, Mertz said.The courts have not been clear on whether it says marijuana is harmless or presents a danger to users and society, Guaneli said.Guaneli said if the court case on allowing small amounts of pot is reopened, the debate will not analyze the right to privacy but instead take a look at the facts on marijuana.Last year, testimony was taken on the bill with experts saying marijuana is more potent than it was decades ago. Guaneli said that fact and others he plans to present to the courts didn't exist in 1975.Mertz said the courts have been silent on whether pot is more harmful than alcohol, though some groups maintain it is not."The courts have really not grabbed onto that distinction," he said.Courts reserve judgments on the right to privacy for issues that are critically important, Guaneli said.The case in which the student fought to keep his long hair was an issue over controlling one's personal appearance, he said."When it comes to taking drugs, particularly illegal drugs, that's not critically important," Guaneli said. Note: State chief assistant attorney general spars with privacy lawyer.Source: Juneau Empire (AK)Author: Andrew Petty, Juneau EmpirePublished: February 10, 2006 Copyright: 2006 Southeastern Newspaper CorpWebsite: http://www.juneauempire.com/Contact: letterstotheeditor juneauempire.comRelated Articles:Drug Bill Headed for Compromise http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21585.shtmlLawmakers Seek To Test Pot Leniency in Court http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21570.shtmlHouse Rejects Marijuana-Meth Billhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21555.shtml

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Comment #77 posted by FoM on February 13, 2006 at 12:25:22 PT
Druid
I personally don't believe any of the spin I have read anywhere. I'm really sorry for those who have been involved in those web sites. It's sad all the way around. It hurts the reform movement too.
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Comment #76 posted by Druid on February 13, 2006 at 12:19:47 PT
OverGrow Factual Information
Hello All,Some of you do not know me but some of you do. I am long long time poster on C-News but more imporantly at this point in time I was/am a super-moderator on the OverGrow message boards.Yes we have relocated for the time being to ICMag.com (thanks to Gypsy Nirvana and DutchGrown for accomodating us) and there has been some contact with RC (the proprietor of OG/CW/HS/C-bay)We have limited information as part of RC's bail arraingements is no internet. But what we do know is that the bust is not related to OG/CW/C-bay in any way. It all has to do with with his seed business at this point. As far as we are able to tell it is a local RCMP bust with NO US/DEA involvement.RC was able to get the servers turned off before he was arrested so that any sort of logs were wiped out. We will probably not know until April what the full implications of all this means. We are in the process in finding out as much info as we can but it is hard to discuss the issues at hand when there are court orders and wire taps in effect.At this point we believe the servers are safe and untouched by LEO.I promise to fill all you loyal C-newsers in on the TRUTH and not the wild speculations and rumors that have been posted on the Cannabis Culture message boards (and elsewhere). Marc Emery and RC are rivals/competitors and do not see eye-to-eye so please do not believe everything you read on CC message boards.If any of you feel like your security is/was/will be in danger because of this fiasco then I suggest you do what is necessary to sanitize and protect yourself. I feel the only people that have a real need to be concerned at this point are the seed breeders with whom RC had conducted business with. I do not feel that the average hobby grower is in any danger at this point but that is only my personal feelings and not fact. I again suggest that if you are in any way worried then take the necessary steps to protect yourself. Better safe than sorry.I will pass on information as it is received and ok'd for release.Thanks for listeningnow back to the news.... :)
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Comment #75 posted by Graehstone on February 11, 2006 at 15:14:28 PT
Autograph hunt 
Wednesday, February 15th, San Diego: Celebrating Freedom 215 Party presented by San Diego Americans for Safe Access & SD NORML
Featuring Ed Rosenthal, guest speakers, entertainment, Compassion Awards & more!
Balboa Park
President's Way & Park Blvd, in San Diego
6:00 - 10:30
$10 general admission
$5 for documented patients.Woo hoo, I 've got my $5 bucks saved and I am going to get myself some of the books that I have of Ed's autographed!
Plus I really want to shake this mans hand!!
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Comment #74 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 14:53:00 PT
Max Flowers
This is my opinion about security. I consider anything I say is as private as a postcard sent thru the mail. 
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 14:34:50 PT

Max Flowers 
Since I don't handle the internal workings of CNews you would need to contact Matt Elrod. I don't have any idea. 
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Comment #72 posted by Max Flowers on February 11, 2006 at 14:27:13 PT

Hushmail/forum security
I should add about Hushmail that the free accounts do expire if you don't log in every so often, I think it's within every two or three weeks. Alternatively, you can get a paid account and that does not happen. If you just make it a weekly habit to check the free account though, it works well. FoM, a couple of questions the whole CW/OG debacle has raised are, a) do you have your forum software set to NOT log IP addresses? You should, for member security. If the site were ever hacked by blue meanies, that is one area they would try to get into to identify people. And b), along those same lines, I hope you have some kind of security software on it to block such attempts, if not a hardware firewall too (a good idea). Perhaps someone with better tech knowledge than I can elaborate on these questions. 
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 14:19:16 PT

So true!
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.":0)
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Comment #70 posted by museman on February 11, 2006 at 14:13:53 PT

Hey Hope
Yah! He got around!
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 14:12:46 PT

Museman
You just made me think of this.Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. LOL!I agree with what a fellow CNewser said one time. He said I am an activist, not a martyr.We have too many martyrs already.
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 14:11:25 PT

Hey, Museman
My "guru" said the same thing...only I worded it differently. I think we have the same guru.
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Comment #67 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 14:09:52 PT

Thanks...
I appreciate that.Dang. I sound duplicitous...but I changed my mind after I thought about it more.

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Comment #66 posted by museman on February 11, 2006 at 14:08:12 PT

paranoia
Carefulness, prudent thought and action, knowing the strength and position of the 'enemy'... these are all important in any 'war' and we are in one I think we would mostly agree.However in ones measure of caution, the truth can not be disguised and still be expected to be as effective. Granted, as a poet I understand and revel in parables, ironies, sacrcasms, puns, and riddles as a way to communicate ideas, but at some time those ideas have to be discussed in a matter-of-fact, common sense way, in order to become something more substantial than just concept.My Guru said; "Be as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves." If one is not sure that what they have to say might compromise someones liberty, including their own, then they probably should not say it.My Guru also said, in reference to a man who was fishing on the 'Sabbath';"Man, if you know what you are doing, then you are thrice blessed, but if you don't know what you are doing then you ar thrice cursed."Those who are unsure of the truth, or are not willing to accept the consequences (which we know from history, can be quite dire and final) should watch and listen until they are sure, and willing.In this conflict, it is all about the truth. The truth is all we have to effectively use as both defence, and as a means to 'defeat' the beast that wages war upon us all. One should NEVER be afraid to speak the truth, or even what they believe to be the truth. The fact that that paranoia has reason and justifiable source should be just another wake up call for America.Since I've been posting here, I've had my own wave of paranoia. I looked at the things that I'd written, and suddenly it dawned on me that not only are a lot of people going to read them, but also the 21st century gestapo as well. Well, I promised myself to be a lot more circumspect in the future - to prevent my own paranoia, I find fear non-productive. Yet I learned long ago the distinction between opinion and 'slander', freedom of speech and 'treason', and I found myself in situations where I needed to know my constitutional rights, and the various interpretations that have been made to suit the power elite.I know this; Truth spoken with confidence and conviction is the scariest thing those false authorities have ever seen, because they know that their lies cannot stand forever against the truth. Humanity has a faculty for precieving the truth. The battle going on on this planet is as much a battle of truth and lies, as it is a battle of men and machines, and the more truth that is elevated above the lies, the more ground we gain, the closer to peace and sanity on planet earth.Let the new gestapo come get me for speaking or writing the truth. All they ever had on me was pot, and I'm sick and tired of their playing God. I know the laws, and I am prepared. So I am not afraid to write what I am moved to write. I have studied the wisdom of the serpent, and have always had harmless intent, so I myself am confident. Most people know not to post personal information on a public world-wide-web access, so that shouldn't be of too much concern. As far as the Patriot Act is concerned, if they want to talk to me, I'd be glad to de-program them. As far as the posts that sparked this, I'd have to admit that was treading a little thin, and there's no telling what the man is going to try, so good points in seeing it.peace
http://wholeearthfamily.org
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 14:06:55 PT

I Removed The Requested Numbers
I hope no ones post got lost when I was removing the threads. If I am editing and someone posts on that thread it gets lost many times. I hope this helps. I know everyone is concerned right now and I understand. 
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 14:05:25 PT

Delete
She's had to delete them...because they were inappropriate for this site. Sorry.I embarrass myself from time to time.But of course, regular readers here know that.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:58:06 PT

comment 60
Laugh out Loud!That's gettin after it man!
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Comment #62 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:57:17 PT

starts at 
  25 here and there from then on
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Comment #61 posted by cloud7 on February 11, 2006 at 13:57:12 PT

My thoughts 
I don't think anything should be deleted, other than maybe the post with the email address. No one here is advertising anything illegal and I think the comments were relevant and useful. Let's not turn this place into a memory hole.
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Comment #60 posted by Graehstone on February 11, 2006 at 13:54:43 PT

Numbers
10 33 38 48
12 34 43 49
25 35 44 50
28 36 45 54
31 37 46 57
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 13:43:31 PT

Help Me Out
Someone give me the numbers to remove and I'll do that. When I edit it is all in html and doesn't look like a comment. It's all codes. Give me the numbers and I will do it. After someone gives me the numbers don't post anything until I say I'm done or your comment will be lost.
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Comment #58 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 13:40:39 PT

Hope
It would be hard for me to cut out certain comments. It is really important for folks to understand how hard laws are in many states. Some states are very tolerant and some are horrible. I do my best to make comments that won't bring reproach on our efforts. I really want to see us move forward and not go down like many are seeing happening now on other sites that sort of act like it's all legal everywhere.
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:35:38 PT

FoM
Maybe you could "archive" it or something. I'll sure never find it again if you do that.
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:31:46 PT

My vote...
Let's abandon this thread. Shoo...shoo. Everybody out. :0)(whispering)
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Comment #53 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:25:29 PT

maybe
maybe
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Comment #52 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:24:58 PT

comment 30
FoM might disagree, but I think not. For her sake.
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 13:24:10 PT

Whig
I know.
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 12:35:01 PT

My Thoughts
All these years I have done my very best to keep us as safe as possible. I worry too. Be careful it's a jungle out there.
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 11:13:32 PT

Today as I'm working
I find myself singing "Amazing Grace". A lot. Thanks again, Max.It's a good thing we can't reach you. You'd be all "sugared and hugged" up.:0)

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Comment #41 posted by observer on February 11, 2006 at 10:41:27 PT

Conflation: Drift from Marijuana to ''Drugs''
Issue: Marijuana But state Chief Assistant Attorney General Dean Guaneli said the constitutional right to privacy was not designed to permit residents to harbor drugs ... "When it comes to taking drugs, particularly illegal drugs, that's not critically important," Guaneli said.From the book "Drug War Propaganda".
Conflation . . .Sometimes it is helpful to enlist the woes caused by any and every drug,
when talking about a specific substance. If using a certain drug isn't
associated with a given problem, drift over into a more helpful "drugs,"
instead. "How ironic that a marijuana legalization endorsement . . .
follows in the footsteps of [the newspaper] series, 'Violence: A Hidden
Epidemic.' It's misguided journalism to overlook the direct link between
violence and marijuana or other drug use."[53] "The lesson about the
perils of drugs has come at an incredible cost. . . . drugs have gained a
highly idealized reputation as a path of emotional release in modern
times. This romantic view, pedalled hard by the marijuana traders of
Nimbin and the amphetamine salesmen of the Gold Coast night scene,
rarely includes the awful down side of their seedy trade. . . . about
deaths, about scrambled minds, about armed robbery . . ."[54]

"Conflation", Drug War Propaganda, p.57
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Comment #40 posted by whig on February 11, 2006 at 10:12:13 PT

Max/Hushmail
First of all, Max, you've made my day.Secondly, I was thinking it would be great if we could all talk privately when we wanted to do so, and Hushmail seems like a great solution and I remembered setting up an account there before. Turns out it was deactivated and I'd have to "upgrade" it to a pay account to get access.I wonder if we can find another way.
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Comment #39 posted by whig on February 11, 2006 at 09:57:35 PT

While I was reading...
Kula Shaker - Shower Your Love started playing.Shower your love on meDon't make it so hard to cryShower your love on meYou dont need a reason why'Cos I'm not even half the way thereBut I'm just too stupid to careSo help me nowWhen i've fallen throughThere are scenes in my open mindConfusion and flashing lightsShower your love on meCos nothing here feels rightCos I'm not even half the way thereBut I'm just too stupid to careSo help me nowWhen I've done all I can doShower Your love on meI can't wait, I'm losing faithLike we might just explodeComfort me with a melodyShow me that I'm gonna know the answerShow me that I'm gonna knowShower Your Love on meDon't make it so hard to cryShower your love on meYou don't need a reason whyDon't make it so hard to cryShower your love on meShower your love on me
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on February 11, 2006 at 07:55:46 PT

Hey!
I'm HIGH.... on LOVE! Thanks so much, Max.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 07:16:25 PT

Hope
I'm with you on that! Thanks Max and power to the people!
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on February 11, 2006 at 07:13:49 PT

Thanks Whig
I'm glad that Neil Young made this movie. Now no matter what his future brings we will have a great portrait of him perserved forever on DVD when it is released.http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/young.htm
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Comment #27 posted by mayan on February 11, 2006 at 04:44:43 PT

unrelated
FDA: Merck Had Time to Warn About Vioxx:
http://www.greenwichtime.com/features/health/ats-ap_health14feb10,0,710831.story?coll=sns-health-headlinesHere's a great piece by a former Reaganite...Who Will Save America? My Epiphany - By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060210143921915
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Comment #26 posted by lombar on February 11, 2006 at 00:22:36 PT

You might want to kiss the blarney stone..
.. it may be clover is not the only lucky plant in ireland. There is a place for comments, I am not sure if the forum is still open. The majority of comments are also in favor of legalisation.
Majority want cannabis legalised
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Comment #24 posted by whig on February 10, 2006 at 23:19:19 PT

OT: Movie review for FoM
http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/movies/10gold.html
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Comment #23 posted by whig on February 10, 2006 at 22:52:15 PT

museman
http://www.cannabis.net/receptors/It appears that cannabinoid receptors go back to before the dawn of vertibrates.
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Comment #22 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 22:37:10 PT

runderwo
My information is extremely out of date on that one. I stand corrected, Thank you.
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Comment #21 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 22:27:54 PT

Max Flowers
No I did not mean to disparage the growing of herb for trade and profit. I refered to the fact that I recognise the many uses later in the same post. As a user I would be a hypocrit to buy it from those sources, and then point a judgemental finger. No I was just referring to my own choices, feelings, and belief patterns. An ideal which I attempted to follow in MY growing of the herb.
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Comment #20 posted by unkat27 on February 10, 2006 at 20:38:10 PT

New Banner for Marijuana Users
I just put this one together and want to share it with all. Check it out at the link below and feel free to copy and plaster it everywhere.
DEA-Teaches Hate
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Comment #19 posted by ekim on February 10, 2006 at 20:29:05 PT

hey thats Herbie
my brother just finished a old carmangia (sic) rag top it is a neat car plenty of leg room in the front.cking out 
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 20:14:45 PT

Ekim
We had a number of VW Bugs years ago. I don't like the news ones but I like the classic. I took my drivers test and learned to drive in a Bug. We had one during the fuel shortage in the 70s and it was a godsend.http://www.livingpictures.org/imagestransportation/car-pictures/redvwbug1.jpg
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Comment #17 posted by ekim on February 10, 2006 at 20:00:48 PT

FoM here is a little glimer of light
BBC news just on NPR.
85 evangelicals leaders signed a letter to Pres Bush Climate change initiative.
What would Jesus drive. 1 climate change is real. 
2 will have a impact on the planet
3 a moral and spiritual issue.Texas is becoming the wind power a leader just passing a law that by 2015 -- 5 percent of the electricity will be generated by wind and 10 percent by 2025. www.calcars.org 
http://www.40mpg.org
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 19:53:29 PT

ekim
Thank you for the information on Steve and OG. I hope Steve is doing better and the whole OG thing seems so weird. I hope Runruff is doing ok too.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 19:05:28 PT

News Article from Snipped Source
S.F. Shows Support of Pot Shops***City bucks federal, municipal crackdownsBy Herbert A. Sample -- Bee San Francisco BureauPublished 2:15 am PST Friday, February 10, 2006Story appeared on Page A3 of The BeeSAN FRANCISCO - In the past few months, this city enacted an ordinance regulating medical marijuana shops, federal authorities raided one of the dispensaries, and advocates protested the crackdown by openly giving free pot to ill patients in a city plaza.While the federal government continues going after medical cannabis shops across the state, and many communities still resist giving business licenses to the operations, support for the dispensaries in San Francisco remains strong - even among law enforcement officials.And that has set up what appears to be the makings of an intractable feud that some observers say no one is winning. "It seems to me that this is a really good example of both sides of a hot topic doing really badly at handling it," said Rory Little, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco."The feds have been ham-handed to some extent in what you call raids, in their search warrants and their seizing of plants and things like that," said Little, a former federal prosecutor. "On the other hand, the medical marijuana people have been unbelievably open to being co-opted" by groups supporting recreational pot smoking.Complete Article: http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/14171793p-14999259c.html
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Comment #14 posted by ekim on February 10, 2006 at 18:57:17 PT

also more on overgrow
Source: 
 
Posted February 10, 2006 
Analysis by Richard Cowan It has been a very strange week. Not that I am unaccustomed to that sort of thing. Steve Kubby has a new lawyer, J. David Nick, a veteran of many medical marijuana cases in California.
See
California Medical Marijuana Activist Wins Right to Grow Medicine For Others The change in attorneys is a result of disagreements on strategy with Bill McPike, which may or may not be justified, but changing lawyers can sometimes be a good move when dealing with prosecutors as incompetent as those in Placer County.Let him eat Marinol…In addition to their regular website Kubby.com www.kubby.com, the Kubbys have also launched a jailhouse blog http://blog.myspace.com/letfreedomgrow.
 

http://www.marijuananews.com
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Comment #13 posted by mayan on February 10, 2006 at 18:25:56 PT

PRIVACY
Guaneli said if the court case on allowing small amounts of pot is reopened, the debate will not analyze the right to privacy but instead take a look at the facts on marijuana.But wasn't the Alaskan Supreme Court's decision based on privacy? If privacy is not a factor then the cops should be able to barge into anyone's house at any time and search for things that could possibly be illegal. One fact about cannabis: It has never killed. I hope they bring that one up!THE WAY OUT...Dr. Steven Jones Utah Seminar - Video Download (scroll down):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/dr-steven-jones-utah-seminar-video.html
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Comment #11 posted by runderwo on February 10, 2006 at 16:21:35 PT

museman
I don't think it's correct to say that the human brain is the only one with cannabinoid receptors. Remember most lab testing is done on monkeys and rats. And has anyone here ever accidentally gotten their cat/dog stoned?
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Comment #9 posted by Max Flowers on February 10, 2006 at 15:33:35 PT

museman
You wrote:- As a grower, I believe that one of the reasons I was able to grow all those years, was because I grew it for sacred, and not 'profane' (greed, profit, and petty power) reasons. -This kind of judgment is not unfamiliar to me. I hope that statement is not meant to imply that all people who grow cannabis for profit are committing some profane act. The fact is that far, far more people need cannabis than could ever grow it for themselves. Probably to the tune of something like 5,000:1 (just guessing---who knows what the real ratio is?) It will always be that way. I believe that the act of growing it for other peoples' consumption, especially medical use, is a sacred act in itself because without those people growing, there would be far less available. Realities of economy and labor necessitate that growers sell it rather than give it away. Most growers would love to be able to give it all away, but it's just not realistic. As I'm sure you know, growing a sizeable crop indoors costs thousands of dollars and entails big risks.Now, as to greed and "petty power", I would agree those are fairly profane motivations. But profit in itself is not a profane thing in my opinion. It's what allows growers to pay their bills, and turn around and do it again so that the people have great herb again in a couple of months.Maybe someday, when prohibition is ended and people are free to grow huge plants in their back yards, it will be more accurate to talk about profiting from it being wrong in some way. Til' then, however, commercial growers are sorely neeeded in my opinion.
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Comment #8 posted by Toker00 on February 10, 2006 at 15:27:45 PT

No New World Order, EVER!!!
We have to stop them museman. Your post is exactly what most of us feel and believe. They are removing nature from our lives and replacing it with un-natural chemical wizardry for profit. From the food we eat, to the clothes we wear. Natural medicine? (Food used as medicine) No. instead, they force sell us UN-natural alternatives , substances, for profit. Natural food? (Food grown organically without chemical ferts) No. They conveniently grow, process, package, and deliver to our neighborhood stores, products that are genetically modified, nutritionally inept, stuffed with chemical "fillers" and that sometimes don't even RESEMBLE food. Natural textiles? (clothes made from hemp using no chemicals for processing) No. Instead, they outlaw hemp and replace it with "synthetic" materials which emit particles in the air, like carpet, that shouldn't be breathed, let alone worn. Natural and ReNewable resources? (resources we don't have to fight wars over) No. Instead, they choose to send OUR children to war to protect their "INTERESTS", which boils down to a NON-renewable black goowy, cancer causing substance known as Petro. What about the interest in the Human Race?It's a cycle that has to be broken, and we shall break it. Nature has ALL the answers, and if we look and listen, we will find them. Let's end the madness of an Unnatural World.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW! 
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Comment #7 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 14:37:46 PT

Toker00
That defintion comes from 1968...before they chose to re -define the english language to suit their evil purpooses.
Good point though, because the Bible refers to those 'herbs bearing seeds to use as 'meat'(food).' SO Religious Feedom should also be an issue, and a defence. But it is written out of the acceptable 'defintions' of that whole other realm known as the Judicial System.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 14:35:33 PT

museman 
About the link. I just did a quick google search on harmful plants to make a point in my post. 
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Comment #5 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 14:32:32 PT

FoM
The link; quite a list. However I do have a question, noting the fact that it comes from a 'reptile keepers handbook', as to whether all these plants are 'harmful, or poisonous' to people as well as snakes. I do recognise some garden herbs and food plants on that list. I also know that the human brain is the only one known to science, and zoology as having marijuana receptors, so the effect of marijuana on a snake, for example, might be dangerous for the snake.********My take on 'drugs' is that like my example in the previous post, the established powers that be are re-writing the defintiion of the language to suit their narrow perspective of how they think it should be. The amount of whitewash that has been applied to EVERYTHING since GWB and his puupetmasters came to such absolute powers as they now possess, is a staggering thing to behold.Marijuana, in it's natural state (which unless it is extracted and synthesized it is always in) is both a medicine, and a Sacrament. It is an inherited tool and device for administering spiritual understanding to the Natural Man who, without the incredible undermining negative cultural programming that teaches fear, and distrust, instead of faith and belief, would be naturally inclined to seek out the spiritual.The definitions of terms by 'established' authorities are certainly deviant from a lot of the original Meanings. Again, history is written by the victors.As I believe it to be, a "Sacrament" is a means to enhance ones spiritual experience. A Sacrament is not a "Commodity." This is where I have my trouble with the 'underground market' that has been created by the WOD. When I came to understand that marijuana was MY Sacrament, I chose to treat it as one, instead of as a product for sale and distribution. As a grower, I believe that one of the reasons I was able to grow all those years, was because I grew it for sacred, and not 'profane' (greed, profit, and petty power) reasons. The few times that the man got into the mix were also the same few times that I deviated from that. Thought I could justify trading a little. In an ideal world I should have, but I'd made an agreement with the Spirit about the Sacredness of the herb, and I violated that agreement so I had to stand up before the man and defend my rights. I am convinced that my faith got me through.However, as time has it's way on us all, another factor came into play: Medicinal Use. The pain that I suffer every day requires a constant supply of prescribed opiates to allow me a somewhat 'normal' daily experience. With the use of the herb, my intake of those pain medicines is reduced drasticly. Thus it's medicinal properties are of tremendous life and death value to me, like so many others that we have seen, and hear of.Then there is this dirty energy everyone is being forced to consume (unless they want to suffer all kinds of hardship and indignities). In the form of hemp, marijuana can replace the destruction of our natural resources,.. all of 'em. If every building in downtown LA grew a pot garden on their roof, the pollution would be history, think about it. One acre of herb puts out more oxygen than 10 acres of trees. The list of uses just about replaces the entire American exploitation, abuse, and polluting energy systems.
 I now know that marijuana is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PLANT on the face of the earth, and that it is every human beings natural birthright to have it for it's multi-uses.Marijauna prohibition is the crux of civil liberties. The question must finally asked;"Should we allow these f**kers to keep playing God?"

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Comment #4 posted by Toker00 on February 10, 2006 at 14:14:32 PT

museman
Cannabis is not a "substance". It is a FOOD! It says: A SUBSTANCE OTHER THAN FOOD! So Cannabis should be excluded as a DRUG, because it is a FOOD, not a substance.Or was it something else you saw?Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHBITION NOW! 
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Comment #3 posted by Telarus on February 10, 2006 at 12:38:12 PT:

Notable Quotes
"I suggest a simple experiment. Everytime you hear the expression "the war on drugs," change it mentally to "the war on some drugs." At the same time call up to mind all the Drug Stores and Bars/Saloons in your town or neighborhood and all the cigarette shelves in your friendly supermaket and remember that the government has started no war against them. When you understand that we have no "war on drugs" but only a "war on some drugs," consult the passages on double-think and duck-speak in Orwell's "1984" for further enlightenment on neurolinguistic mindwarping."
-Robert Anton Wilson
http://www.rawilson.com/prethought.shtml
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on February 10, 2006 at 12:34:16 PT

museman
I know I don't think like everyone but this is what I believe. Drugs are man made and herbs, flowers, plants etc. are not man made. In the spring we have May Apples all thru a good portion of our woods. I have a couple medicinal herb books and in reality some wild wood weeds, berries, schrubs etc. are poisonous but we are warned about them. That's how it should be.http://www.anapsid.org/resources/plants-hn.html
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Comment #1 posted by museman on February 10, 2006 at 11:54:56 PT

definition of 'drug'
From Hartcourt Brace 1968;drug: 
1.Any substance, other than food used as a medicine, or in preparation of medicines.
2. A substance that relieves pain or makes one sleep; narcotic.From the new revised (after WOD)drug: 
1.A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication. 
2.Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. Does anyone see what I see?*******"But state Chief Assistant Attorney General Dean Guaneli said the constitutional right to privacy was not designed to permit residents to harbor drugs.Better turn in your prescriptions Alaska. But you first Mr. Guaneli.
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