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Doctors Weigh in on Effectiveness of Medipot
Posted by CN Staff on January 13, 2006 at 07:20:02 PT
By Penne Usher, Journal Staff Writer
Source: Auburn Journal
California -- Medical marijuana activist Steve Kubby contends if he is returned to the United States and not allowed to smoke marijuana daily he will die, but doctors differ on whether all the pot Kubby smokes is really good for his health.Kubby's Canadian doctor said the one-time California gubernatorial candidate smokes cannabis to alleviate symptoms of his adrenal cancer.
"(Kubby's) kind of cancer, metastatic pheochromocytoma, releases adrenaline into the blood and these drugs speed up your heart making your body run faster," said Dr. Joe Connors, a medical oncologist for British Columbia Cancer Agency in a telephone interview Thursday. "His tumors make excessive amounts of these substances."Connors said that too much adrenaline keeps Kubby's body in a constant state of "flight or fight.""He found that smoking marijuana (helps)," Connors said. "(Without it) the stress to his cardiovascular system could result in stroke, a heart attack or even death."Dr. Fred Meyers, professor and chair of the Department of Internal Medicine for UC Davis Medical Center, said Thursday that metastatic pheochromocytoma is a "very rare" type of cancer.He said that the cancer is usually associated with benign tumors and rarely becomes cancerous. Additionally, there are no effective anti-cancer drugs. Metastatic pheochromocytoma is in many situations considered incurable, he said.Meyers said there is no medical proof that smoking marijuana cures or alleviates the symptoms of the adrenal cancer that Kubby is said to have."I haven't examined him, but I don't believe marijuana blocks the effects of the cancer," Meyers said. "People do die of cancer. (Kubby) could die if either the cancer spreads or the epinephrine (similar to adrenaline) will be made is such large amount that he'll die."In an ironic twist, Kubby was once roommates with one of the 1970s pop culture marijuana icons, Cheech Marin.Decades ago, Kubby said he was pretty straight and hanging out with Marin while the two attended Cal State Northridge."Cheech came to visit me when I learned I had as little as six months to live," Kubby said. "I smoked pot with him and to my complete astonishment my symptoms were gone for a day or two. It brought my blood pressure down. It was unbelievable to me."Dr. Meyers disagrees with the medical marijuana miracle."Marijuana does not keep the blood pressure down," he said.As the Kubby family fights to stay in Canada, Kubby said he will continue to grow and smoke the marijuana he contends he needs to stay alive.Source: Auburn Journal (CA)Author: Penne Usher, Journal Staff WriterPublished: Friday, January 13, 2006Copyright: 2006 Auburn JournalContact: ajournal foothill.netWebsite: http://www.auburnjournal.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:The Kubby Chronicleshttp://www.kubby.org/The Drug War Refugeeshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/smk.htm Medipot Fugitive To Stay in Canada http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21481.shtmlDeport Pot 'Refugee,' Federal Lawyer Asks http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21466.shtmlTime Running Out for Medical Pot 'Refugee'http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21463.shtml
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Comment #76 posted by runruff on January 16, 2006 at 17:41:20 PT:
mai_bong_city
And yet another living testimonial. It is good to hear from you.Namaste
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Comment #75 posted by runruff on January 16, 2006 at 17:37:17 PT:
Whig
I think HIS words are timeless. The bread of life. But then his word were spoken from and filed with the spirit.
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Comment #74 posted by mai_bong_city on January 16, 2006 at 14:21:00 PT
greetings from the garden of good and no evil...
i just wanted to say that m.d. is dead wrong about marijuana and blood pressure, and i'm living proof. all of the pharmaceutical aids i've been given do little to contain my dangerously high blood pressure - yet with cannabis alone, i have no need of them and maintain a healthy 120/70.may 2006 be banner, all the way around :)thank you for providing such a lush lovely place in which to gather.
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Comment #73 posted by whig on January 16, 2006 at 13:08:50 PT
runruff #72
And who do you think we are today?
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Comment #72 posted by runruff on January 16, 2006 at 10:27:05 PT:
Whig
That young feller over in Jerusalem said the same thing 2000
years ago just before they used him as a landscaping orniment on Golgotha.
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Comment #71 posted by whig on January 15, 2006 at 23:05:15 PT
runruff
It is a struggle to accept who and what we are, and to then begin to speak with the authority which we are given to use. Our words have no greater power than their truth, they do not depend upon argument from consequence (do what I say or you will be punished). They are simple and plain, and obvious once understood, yet quite incapable and unnecessary of explanation.I visited a place yesterday, and on the wall was a writing: 
The letter of the Word kills, its Spirit gives life.
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Comment #70 posted by runruff on January 15, 2006 at 22:11:41 PT:
Whig
Thank you for that fine message. I feel I understand completely what you are saying. I say what I feel, what I believe, sometimes just nonesence to be funny but my heart is always in the right place and I certainly do respect what you have to say. Namaste.
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Comment #69 posted by whig on January 15, 2006 at 20:56:04 PT
runruff
Scripture cannot be understood without inspiration, it cannot be taught by the uninspired, nor learned without divine guidance. My words fall mainly on deaf ears, but it is like the parable of the seed corn, and it is no waste that most falls on the rocks if any at all finds purchase in good soil.I am still a babe in the woods, learning to see myself, looking at my hands and realizing they are mine, seeing my reflection in the still waters, and discovering that I am not alone, but part of a whole that is awakening to ourselves in the same way, all over the world.Namaste.
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Comment #68 posted by whig on January 15, 2006 at 19:41:27 PT
museman
There’s only one direction in the faces that I see;It’s upward to the ceiling, where the chamber’s said to be.Like the forest fight for sunlight, that takes root in every tree.They are pulled up by the magnet, believing they’re free.The carpet crawlers heed their callers:We’ve got to get in to get out
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Comment #67 posted by global_warming on January 15, 2006 at 15:04:16 PT
now
choose..This is the place 'we sleep.Hang and 'liveEnjoy the gift of breathTwinkle, twinkle'we make the differenceIn this NightIt is only us,Bringing, KnowledgeSoftness and GoodnessBalms and Cannabis Wreathes
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Comment #66 posted by museman on January 15, 2006 at 14:50:32 PT:
the now
How long is a choice?
What is the timed length of any moment of action? Is the momentum of a committed string of moments to be blamed soley on the initial choice to act, and labeled the guilty 'now' when at any split second of human thought, choices can always be made, and those backwards choices (of blind and foolish humans) you mention that infringe upon innocent peoples time and opportunities for their own choices, can always choose not to follow through on intent?
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Comment #65 posted by museman on January 15, 2006 at 14:43:19 PT:
Your Thoughts are right
That's the meaning my poet mind has painted.I find that for every eye to see God, there is a way to see. That means a possibility of 2 ways for every person viewing the phenomenon. Imagine the implications. 
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Comment #64 posted by global_warming on January 15, 2006 at 14:42:28 PT
my thought
The 'nowPermits our current reality/worldTo put into little cagesBringers of Hope that smoke Cannabis.
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Comment #63 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 14:32:50 PT
My Thoughts
What this means to me is if we live for years gone by or live for what might be in the future we are missing the point of living in the moment.****"Whilst ignorance is reserved for fools who look always to tomorrow, and who are comfortable with the safety of the past, their moment passed at the point of it's arrival.
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Comment #62 posted by museman on January 15, 2006 at 14:25:38 PT:
A Question
A Question
 
 by T. Hubbard  " I cry for time. Time sweeps it all away; the noble experience of days lived well, whisked into the obscurity of interpretable memory."The progression of the now goes unto it's inevitability of yesterdays gone, and every bright beginning is thusly doomed to the same fate, as all hope meets the dark barrier of the unknown."So must faith and belief suffice to allow us to bear the knowledge, to hold up other options, though those ideas alone hold scant succor."Whilst ignorance is reserved for fools who look always to tomorrow, and who are comfortable with the safety of the past, their moment passed at the point of it's arrival."What then shall we do to seize the day, when only that action which is in the envelope of love beyond condition holds any possibility of reaching the eternal now?" 
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Comment #61 posted by museman on January 15, 2006 at 14:20:44 PT:
songs
Yes. They're all mine. That one is several years old. The recording was nine years ago. Thanks.
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Comment #60 posted by global_warming on January 15, 2006 at 14:03:16 PT
Maybe, some people
Are just along for the ride, from child to adult and then a mature person.Which is normally enough time to catch a glimpse, blink blink, you have caught a glimpse, that twinkle on the side of your eye, even the Body of Ceaser, carries that illumination, to their burial place.Of course it is not so simple as some errant sparkle in the corner of your eye, it is your memory, that is the millstone that carrys the weight of your soul.
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 13:09:07 PT
museman
I'm listening to Gotta Get In To Get Out. Is that one of your songs? I really like it.
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Comment #58 posted by global_warming on January 15, 2006 at 13:00:47 PT
re:Book of Daniel..pre Roman
Dan 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and laid siege to it. Dan 1:2 The Lord handed Jehoiakim king of Judah over to him, along with some of the vessels from the house of God. Nebuchadnezzar carried them to the land of Babylon, to the house of his god, and put the vessels in the treasury of his god. Dan 1:3 The king ordered Ashpenaz, the chief of his court officials, to bring some of the Israelites from the royal family and from the nobility-- Dan 1:4 young men without any physical defect, good-looking, suitable for instruction in all wisdom, knowledgeable, perceptive, and capable of serving in the king's palace--and to teach them the Chaldean language and literature. Dan 1:5 The king assigned them daily provisions from the royal food and from the wine that he drank. They were to be trained for three years, and at the end of that time they were to serve in the king's court. Dan 1:6 Among them, from the descendants of Judah, were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. Dan 1:7 The chief official gave them different names: to Daniel, he gave the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abednego. Dan 1:8 Daniel determined that he would not defile himself with the king's food or with the wine he drank. So he asked permission from the chief official not to defile himself. Dan 1:9 God had granted Daniel favor and compassion from the chief official, Dan 1:10 yet he said to Daniel, "My lord the king assigned your food and drink. I'm afraid of what would happen if he saw your faces looking thinner than those of the other young men your age. You would endanger my life with the king." Dan 1:11 So Daniel said to the guard whom the chief official had assigned to Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, Dan 1:12 "Please test your servants for 10 days. Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink. Dan 1:13 Then examine our appearance and the appearance of the young men who are eating the king's food, and deal with your servants based on what you see." Dan 1:14 He agreed with them in this matter and tested them for 10 days. Dan 1:15 At the end of 10 days they looked better and healthier than all the young men who were eating the king's food. Dan 1:16 So the guard continued to remove their food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables. Dan 1:17 God gave these four young men knowledge and understanding in every kind of literature and wisdom. Daniel also understood visions and dreams of every kind. 
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Comment #57 posted by museman on January 15, 2006 at 12:59:35 PT:
Jesus was a Hippy
At least he looked like one until about 1972 when the various protestant churches started giving him a real nice crewcut.I still remember the day I walked into the Trinity Lutheran Church in Bend Oregon, and saw this big wall sized portrait of Jesus. He had his white robe still, but his hair was gone, and his beard looked like he hadn't shaved in 3 days. I remember thinking that the hippies had really scared the protestants so bad they had to give Jesus a haircut!Funny how the real originator of freedom, and personal liberties gets used to preach the opposite?I found out years later that the churches didn't even know his actual name!Yashua ben Joseph, called Y'shua. (spelled with a 'j' or 'io' depending on whether the text was semetic (aramaic) or Greek.)
http://wholeearthfamily.org
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Comment #56 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 12:20:40 PT
Dankhank
It is good. I'm glad you liked it. Daniel was to interview a gay couple for acceptance into the church ( which is allowed with Episcopalians ) and his helper got the appointments mixed up and he was really inviewing the mafia brothers. I got a laugh out of it.
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Comment #55 posted by Dankhank on January 15, 2006 at 12:12:15 PT
missed that, too
missed the premier, downloaded it and was astounded, it was terrific ...am getting friday show, now ...missed sci-fi friday last ... in OKC in a hotel with no sci-fi ... imagine that guess it all repeats mon night, but want Daniel, now ...knew that the Mafia was near from the premier, can't think of the guy playing the Father, but he's perfect ... knew he was connected as soon as he referred to the people he knew that could help ...
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Comment #54 posted by runruff on January 15, 2006 at 12:06:31 PT:
Yeshoa my Yeshoa. [Sung to Maryland my Maryland]
I have always thought it was devinely clever of Yeshoa to have answered this way. I thought since God created everything even Ceasar belongs to him. But for those who needed an earthly more politically correct answer they could make what they wanted from it. It kept his head out of the noose for the time being and he never had to lie or decieve to do it. All things in HIS time.Namaste.
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 12:04:51 PT
Dankhank
It's on Friday nights at 10 pm et. Daniel now is getting involved with the Mafia. What I like about it is no matter how hard Daniel tries something just goes wrong. He tries to be fair and open minded as far as his faith goes but things just keep messing up for him. He gets shocked quite a bit. I think it is very good.http://www.nbc.com/The_Book_of_Daniel/
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Comment #52 posted by Dankhank on January 15, 2006 at 11:55:09 PT
Daniel
dang missed it again ..
guess I'll download it now ...
what night is Daniel On?Hey , for any who like powerful writing and a great story ...find the new Battlestar Galactica DVD, if avail.
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Comment #51 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 11:25:42 PT
whig
I have a hard time understand different thoughts on religion because I am set in my ways from my past. I do believe we all could be right or we all could be wrong and that's why I follow my own conscience. The Book of Daniel was good again for us. Daniel had a hard time and Jesus said Yikes and Daniel said that doesn't sound good coming from you. I like the show and yet people take it so differently then my husband and I do. Jesus is really cool in the show. I read that they even have Jesus looking like a Hippie. Well excuse me wasn't he one before Hippies were even here? I think so.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 11:17:10 PT
This Little Light of Mine
BGreen as we do our best to show how wrong things are now we will stand out as good and they will be shown as they really are. I feel the whole thing is in control but not by me or any of us. We're just along for the ride. I hope this makes sense.
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Comment #49 posted by whig on January 15, 2006 at 11:16:16 PT
FoM
Heaven and Hell are not separate places, it is what you find within, and that is what you will make it.
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Comment #48 posted by whig on January 15, 2006 at 11:12:38 PT
Coded scriptures
Scripture has always been written in coded language because direct confrontation against an adversary that possesses and is willing to exercise physical force is not the best way to defeat them. If someone points a gun at my head, I am going to be polite, and when a tax collector demands revenue, he is backing his demand with the full force of the state. It would be sheer idiocy to confront this directly, but to use a soft word that turns away wrath while meaning something else that will be understood by those who should know what is meant is a way of removing the moral legitimacy of the act.So render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Because Caesar is vain, Caesar does not understand and even takes this as praise and support of his legitimacy, but the opposite is meant. Render unto God that which is God's. For those who do not adhere to Caesar, there is nothing of Caesar's, all is of God's.
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Comment #47 posted by BGreen on January 15, 2006 at 11:12:28 PT
Roy Blunt took over for Tom DeLay
as majority leader of the House of Representatives, and since he's the congressman from my district we've seen tens of millions of dollars mysteriously appear to fund every little pork barrel project imaginable in the past couple of months.Of course, nobody around here is crying foul, because greed is much more powerful than a sense of fairness, but even though Roy Blunt used to be my friend's Sunday School teacher many years ago, I don't believe his actions that are cheating the rest of this country are in any way pleasing to God.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #46 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 11:05:15 PT
Hell No
If a person doesn't agree with the government they won't go to hell. I never heard that but I guess when I went to the Assembly of God churches they implied it. I don't listen to what they say now. Jesus was a rebel. He had long hair too. Actually as far as Hell goes I'm not really sure it really exists. I don't think God is that mean.
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Comment #45 posted by BGreen on January 15, 2006 at 11:00:33 PT
Make sure you read more than just the subject
No one has to agree with me on how I feel. That means it's only right for me but not necessarily anyone else.I do agree with you.It's the idea that we'll "go to Hell" for not being blindly obedient to our earthly "masters" that I have problems with.The Reverend Bud (of course I pay my taxes) Green
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 10:51:58 PT
BGreen 
No one has to agree with me on how I feel. That means it's only right for me but not necessarily anyone else. 
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 10:43:07 PT
 BGreen 
I recalled this as I was reading you post. Pray that you have good leaders. I don't agree with the waste of tax money but I won't have to give an account for the waste either. I believe we need to respect the government but we don't have to agree with it. I find that we can fight back and not get in trouble by using deductions and make our tax liability as low as legally possible. That's what we do and we really don't pay much in taxes for that reason. The taxes that hit us hard are truck related taxes. Those are very high.
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Comment #42 posted by BGreen on January 15, 2006 at 10:37:07 PT
I agree but disagree, FoM
I've never met anybody who was against good roads and good infrastructure, but trillions of dollars have been wasted and it's not our obligation to provide an endless supply of cash just to be wasted.Somehow we're led to believe that we have to support those "in power" because they were "put there by God."My question then is why does God keep putting people in these positions of power when their actions bear no similarity to the way God instructs us to live?See, somewhere along the line something got misunderstood, and supporting somebody "in power" JUST because they're in power by providing them finances to further their evil makes me an accessory to their criminal actions.We HAVE to pay taxes or else go to jail, so I'm not suggesting I don't pay taxes. Just catch me around April 15 every year and you'll see the depressed Reverend.My point is that it's the law of man I'm forced to follow every time I pay taxes, NOT a decree from the Lord God that I must support evil.The Reverend Bud (taxed to death) Green
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on January 15, 2006 at 10:18:19 PT
BGreen
I believe that if we live in a country and say use schools or even highways we need to understand it takes money to build these things. I know taxes don't go where I wish they would but I think that's what the scripture meant. As far as God's law we should follow them too. I guess that's what it means to me. If we are part of a society we should help with our money which is by taxes or contributions to causes we find important. Just trying to buy a home or even a car is impossible without tax records. I know a few people who have avoided taxes for years and it has been very hard on them. They are afraid and I understand why they are. 
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Comment #40 posted by BGreen on January 15, 2006 at 10:10:30 PT
We really have to watch it
or else they're going to start putting the evil one on our currency and forcing us to "render unto dubya."I've been brainwashed for 40 plus years to believe Jesus was saying we owe whatever taxes the government demands from us, and that it was disobedient to our Heavenly Father if we refused to pay (even if our money will be spent on things like war and prisons, IMHO things that are the opposite of what God wants.)I understand where Whig is coming from and I think we have to cut him some slack.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on January 14, 2006 at 23:09:37 PT
Sharing ideas and understandings
means we are free to disagree, too. And "sharing" is "sharing"...not forcing anyone to accept your understanding as the only right one.I enjoy when you share your thougts, understandings, and ideas about things. You're sharp. That's obvious.Also, I like Joe's understanding, too. The quote means to me, too... that the dang government doesn't own us, or our bodies, or our choices...whether they think they do or not.
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Comment #38 posted by whig on January 14, 2006 at 21:00:10 PT
Hope
I don't like it when people twist that quote to mean you owe the government taxes, and I'm sorry if I overreacted.
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Comment #37 posted by Hope on January 14, 2006 at 19:22:10 PT
Whig? He really is, I think, "sure you know".
Joe doesn't sound accusatory to me? Watch that paranoia! I'm sure he's sure you know. You are a smart guy, Whig. I saw that about you right off the bat. Bet Joe does, too.He's glad. I think he's glad you brought it up. He's sharing his understanding, which means something to him, with you. I love it when people do that.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on January 14, 2006 at 14:51:09 PT
Joe
I know the quote, and I do not involve myself in the government, so I do not know why you seem to have an accusatory tone.
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Comment #35 posted by global_warming on January 14, 2006 at 11:42:31 PT
ot:Revenge of the Mutt People
Revenge of the Mutt People
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2006/01/revenge_of_the_.html
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on January 14, 2006 at 08:43:14 PT
JoeCitizen
That is what I have always believed that scripture to mean. That is why religion in government upsets me. They don't work together and shouldn't. 
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Comment #33 posted by JoeCitizen on January 14, 2006 at 08:38:02 PT
Whig, as I'm sure you know...
The entire quote is "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."It means to keep money out of religion, and religion out of secular/political matters. You pay your taxes (the coins had Caesar's face on them) to the Government. You don't worship the government, or the law, or make them into false gods. They are the work of men...and often very fallible and greedy men.To many, cannabis is a sacred herb. So by then sense of the quote, that's between you and your conception of God, it has nothing to do with the Government.A lot of theocratic whackos in this country seem to be a little confused between God and Caesar.  Maybe they should meditate on this quote a little more.JC
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Comment #32 posted by mayan on January 14, 2006 at 06:10:05 PT
Unrelated
It looks like the terrorists in the U.S. government are at it again and this time bombing Pakistan! They're going to get the entire Middle East united against us! Anyway, they missed their target(Ayman al-Zawahri) but the big,bad tough guys managed to kill some women and children. How sickening. Every day I grow more and more ashamed to be an American. Al-Qaeda No. 2 wasn't on site during U.S. attack, officials say:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-14-al-qaeda-no-2_x.htm?csp=34Countdown to tyranny...Bush could seize absolute control of U.S. government:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_7986.shtmlIt is absurd that this is even being considered...U.S. Supreme Court to Decide if Police Can Barge in Unannounced:
http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/125457/1/And a great mainstream 9/11 LTE...Did someone in FBI want 9/11 attacks?
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2006/01/13/build/opinion/50-reader-voice.inc
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Comment #31 posted by mayan on January 14, 2006 at 05:28:22 PT
Revolt?
Things are getting pretty interesting in Britain...Expert advisers threaten revolt against Clarke: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,16518,1686368,00.htmlPanel says link with mental illness is 'very small': 
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1686334,00.htmlHere's an interesting article from Hawai'i..Drug use up among job seekers near end of '05, test data show 
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060114/NEWS15/601140344/1026/NEWSFrom the above linked article..."The statistics are disappointing, in that the ice abuse is not decreasing and the marijuana is actually trending upward," Linden said. "Some employers are finding it harder to lure and retain drug-free employees."So what's the big deal? Drug-free employees aren't any safer or more productive than drug using employees. Besides, many "drug-free" employees simply know how to beat urine tests! There are far more of us than they realize. We are everywhere!
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Comment #30 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 20:57:02 PT
Fishing
We are fishermen when we speak hereBut we begin to one another as fishWe are all strangers at one timeAnd then we are one and togetherSo it continues, and so it goesUntil we share the garden together
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Comment #29 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 19:21:01 PT
it was always the stranger
That heard the conversation,May 'we have a 'great 2006 year,May 'we fashion garlands of fresh Cannabis Wreathes,May our bosoms be covered with fresh green leaves,May our souls forever standOn the greenest planetThat shines out, into the Night Sky.
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Comment #28 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 19:09:19 PT
global_warming
We can talk now as before and not so openly as we'd like when there are strangers among us, and if we would have it otherwise then we should find a quieter place to speak.
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Comment #27 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 18:58:21 PT
when Cannabis is Free
'We can talk about Human Freedom.
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Comment #26 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 18:52:56 PT
global_warming
When do you defer, and then what do you do?
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Comment #25 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 18:51:05 PT
#24
When feigning deference.
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Comment #24 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 18:50:03 PT
if not ceaser
when do you bow your head?
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Comment #23 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 18:36:41 PT
global_warming
"If not Ceaser, who will be your benefactor?""What is your strength?"What is your spirit? Where is your conception? Who are you? What are you part of?All of these are the same question, and Caesar is the answer to none.
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Comment #22 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 18:26:08 PT
re:scumbags
Much like dopers,Scumbags, are 'prophylacticsIt is difficult to use these terms,The dea breathes in the stink they have chosen to inherit,each man or women who has accepted some secular place in this universe, has taken the route to the 'UnknownOur First BreathMarked our bargainwith God, and our unknown universe.
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Comment #21 posted by ElPatricio on January 13, 2006 at 18:25:55 PT:
Thanks, BGreen
Thank you for informing Cannabis News readers about Dr. Connors' expert knowledge of Steve Kubby's rare medical condition, compared to the ill-informed Dr. Fred Harvey, who was quoted in an Auburn Journal article.As a former city editor of that Placer County newspaper, who also attended much of Steve Kubby's trial in 2000-01, I can add more medical information about Steve's condition from a physician who first examined Steve more than 20 years ago.Dr. Vincent DeQuattro was a professor of medicine at the busy USC Medical Center in Los Angeles, where he directed the hypertension unit and became a leading specialist in malignant pheochromocytoma, or adrenal cancer. He wasn't the first physician to diagnose Steve's condition, but he had seen more than 100 other patients with the 1-in-a-million illness, making him one of world's experts. When Steve saw DeQuattro in the mid-1980s, Steve's high-blood-pressure symptoms had returned, and his tumor had spread to his liver. Previous surgeries to remove the tumors had initially appeared to work. In benign adrenal cancer, the tumors never return, but in Steve's case they did.Steve Kubby was part of a cohort of malignant adrenal cancer cases that DeQuattro referred to the Mayo Clinic for experimental therapy. He lost track of Steve and, as he testified at his trial, assumed he had died along with the rest of the group he'd sent to the Mayo.After Steve and Michele Kubby's 1999 arrest, DeQuattro conducted a battery of tests on Steve, and concluded that Steve still had tumors, and that he had potentially fatal blood levels of adrenaline. As he testified at the trial, if you put a quart of Steve's blood in someone else, they could die.Incidentally, and because it's never been published elsewhere, Dr. DeQuattro tested hair samples of each Kubby for the presence of any drug except cannabis, and found nothing. That supports the Kubbys' contention that they did not know about the peyote buds found in the guest bedroom.Anyhow, Placer County prosecutors appeared convinced that Kubby did not have have malignant form of adrenal cancer. They instead took the word of an untrained jail matron that Steve was faking his symptoms while in custody. At the trial, they tried to have their expert medical witness, Dr. Rees Jones, testify that cannabis had nothing to do with Kubby's survival of a disease that usually kills in less than 10 years and has no effective treatment. The medicine patients take to control the high blood pressure turns them into zombies, and if they are lucky enough to survive more than 10 years, the side effects include Parkinson-like symptoms, DeQuattro told me.By the way, expert witness Rees Jones is well known for his anti-marijuana views, and has taught at classes for the California Narcotics Officers Association.Even after the trial, Placer County prosecutors argued in court pleadings that Kubby was merely a recreational potsmoker whose life was not at risk if he was jailed without access to cannabis for his medicine. They said even his doctor's tests showed that pot had no effect on Kubby's blood pressure. When I shared that informatiion with DeQuattro in an e-mail, he was livid."THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF MY TESTIMONY."I quoted to DeQuattro from the Placer County brief: "Dr. DeQuattro did conceded [sic] that the defendant may not be currently suffering from malignant pheochromocitoma. The defendants [sic] motion to terminate probation should be denied."DeQuattro's response: "WHY DO THESE MISERABLE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE DISTORT THE FACTS SO WILLFULLY AND THEN CAST STONES.???"Dr. DeQuattro and I exchanged e-mails a week or so before he left on vacation in Hawaii. While there, he died in a snorkeling accident. So, as I told the Refugee Board in Vancouver, those were his last words about Steve Kubby's medical condition.It just goes to show you how a belief in the war on drugs can predispose otherwise reasonable people to remain ignorant and believe hogwash rather than believe anything favorable about cannabis. Sadly, it can also destroy their humanity.Pat McCartney
Auburn, California
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Comment #20 posted by mayan on January 13, 2006 at 18:06:08 PT
Let Him Be
"Cheech came to visit me when I learned I had as little as six months to live," Kubby said. "I smoked pot with him and to my complete astonishment my symptoms were gone for a day or two. It brought my blood pressure down. It was unbelievable to me."Decades later, Kubby is still alive and well! If cannabis works for him then what kind of murdering idiots would take it away from him? All of you DEAth scumbags and prohibitionist swine out there should realize that you ARE nothing more than murderers. Hope you repent and redeem yourselves before the reaper comes for you.THE WAY OUT...New York Mother Who Lost Daughter On 9/11 Still Searching For Truth And Accountability From Bush And His Cronies:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/13-Jan-2006.htmlCity Wins in Ground Zero Case:
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/powerplays/archives/002322.phpHunt The Cherokee - The 9/11 Pentagon Impact:
http://rense.com/general69/hunt911.htmWhere's the Remote Control?
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/01/wheres-remote-control.htmlApproaching 9/11:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/01/approaching-911-user-submission-from.htmlCITIZEN'S COUNTER-COUP - THE FORMULA FOR CHANGE NOW:
http://www.3c.911truth.org
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Comment #19 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 18:04:33 PT
hey whig
I know what you are saying,Ceasers throughout this worlds history,Have tried to control, All of our human 'spirtesIt will take a larger bodyOf lawyers and peopleWho witness the LightCome a little closerIn a blink,On some Sunday MorningThat Sabbath Day,That Moment with Allah,That Spark,That will fill your everloving soulWelcome to the Cannabis MovementWelcomeForever Welcome, You have reached the next step in the gameYou Have Earned 1 point.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on January 13, 2006 at 18:00:11 PT
Bill Maher is Guest Host on Larry King Live Now
I thought others might want to see it too!
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Comment #17 posted by runruff on January 13, 2006 at 17:37:42 PT:
Whig
Lets start a movement. We can start by boycotting the salad. Who knows where it might go from there. 
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Comment #16 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 17:32:45 PT
hey whiger
If not Ceaser, who will be your benefactor?What is your strength?
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Comment #15 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 17:23:03 PT
Render unto Caesar
Nothing I have, nor desire, is from Caesar.
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Comment #14 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 17:18:36 PT
#12
Yes, thousands of years, and buried so far deeply that even the priests themselves forgot, and do not remember it today. It was too much a threat to the earthly powers, it had to be concealed, and those who knew it put to death, and the Visible Church erected in its place, to mouth words without understandings, and so preserve the empire.This is the year of revelation.
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Comment #13 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 17:11:21 PT
it is only the the tax collector
'pay your dues,
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Comment #12 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 16:56:43 PT
re:war on people
The war on drugs is kith and kindred, in that war, between the secular and the spiritual.This war has been raging for thousands of years.There are those who do not believe in God.They accept a secular existence, an existence,
That is devoid of that spark,For me, an eternal secular existence,Is a 'prison, that is handled by the most blind and ignorant creatures that this world has given breath.
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Comment #11 posted by siege on January 13, 2006 at 16:51:19 PT
O T Stop Tom DeLay's Attempted Censorship
http://ga3.org/campaign/delay_ads_pulled	
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Comment #10 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2006 at 16:34:21 PT
knock knock
Who's there?It is the tax collector.
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Comment #9 posted by siege on January 13, 2006 at 15:05:21 PT
Cannabis lobby rises from the ashes
A group of politicians and drugs experts is making a new attempt at decriminalising cannabis in Switzerland.
	
	Eighteen months after parliament threw out a similar plan the committee has collected enough signatures to force a nationwide vote on the issue."Our aim is to decriminalise cannabis consumption under strict rules, and encourage parliament to draft its own compromise solution," parliamentarian Ursula Wyss told swissinfo.http://www.nzz.ch/2006/01/13/eng/article6378062.html2>>
CHARITY STEPS UP CANNABIS CAMPAIGN
Just a week after calling on Home Secretary Charles Clarke to focus on the mental health risks of cannabis rather than "fiddle with its legal status", a leading charity was today launching a new bid to step up pressure on the Government.Mental health charity Rethink was today kicking off a new cannabis e-campaign which calls on people to email Mr Clarke with their concerns before his upcoming decision on the issue.
http://services.press.net/pressnet/communitynewswire/index.jsp?story_id=1448032&setStyle=mlStory&returnStyle=heading.cnw
http://tinyurl.com/9zrp4
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Comment #8 posted by siege on January 13, 2006 at 14:04:29 PT
OT Condoleezza Rice
Old Lady Laura Bush is talking about Condoleezza Rice to run for PRESIDENT and she is backing her... I wont say it  ###### this was on the radio...
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Comment #7 posted by BGreen on January 13, 2006 at 11:53:18 PT
One Doctor examined Kubby and one didn't
But which one thinks cannabis doesn't work on Kubby?Of course, it's the quack who has never examined Steve Kubby!"I haven't examined him, but I don't believe marijuana blocks the effects of the cancer," Meyers said. "People do die of cancer. (Kubby) could die if either the cancer spreads or the epinephrine (similar to adrenaline) will be made is such large amount that he'll die."COULDN'T THIS QUACK LOSE HIS LICESNCE FOR DIAGNOSING WITHOUT EVER SEEING THE PATIENT?Would ANY legitimate doctor make a diagnosis based on a hypothesis without even physically examining the patient or taking into consideration what the patient says during the examination"?If my memory serves me correctly, Dr. Joe Connors, a medical oncologist for British Columbia Cancer Agency, didn't believe Steve Kubby until he thoroughly examined Steve and treated him over a period of time.YES!!! HERE'S THE ARTICLE:Expert Says Pot Best Hope for Kubbyhttp://www.cannabisnews.com/news/15/thread15943.shtmlKubby has a large malignant tumour resulting from adrenal cancer and marijuana helps lower the excessive level of a chemical called catecholamine in his blood, said Connors, of the B.C. Cancer Agency.It's normal for the catecholamine or adrenaline level in the adrenal gland to rise briefly when a person is extremely frightened or stressed, leading the heart to beat faster and the blood pressure to rise.But a sustained high level of catecholamines is dangerous and needs to be suppressed, Connors said under questioning by lawyer Gordon Starr, opposing Kubby's refugee bid on behalf of Canada's Citizenship and Immigration Department.**************"I would expect that within hours of not using any marijuana - 24 to 48 hours maximum - that he would begin to have high blood pressure, rapid heart rate and dry mouth ... and those symptoms would get worse in subsequent days," Connors said.**************Kubby said Connors had tried other treatments such as alpha blockers, but that they couldn't control the symptoms of his disease.Chemotherapy to damage the cancer cells also wouldn't work for Kubby, who needs to deal with his catecholamine level on a daily basis, Connors said.Kubby once tried an experimental radioactive treatment in Edmonton, although there isn't any evidence it had any effect on his tumour, the doctor said.Kubby was diagnosed with adrenal cancer in 1975 and began using marijuana a few years later at the suggestion of a friend.Connors said it's "remarkable" that Kubby has lived with his condition for so long when patients usually die within five years."He's had a much larger medical survival for his condition than is normally seen," said Connors, who sees virtually every adrenal cancer patient in British Columbia - usually one to three people a year.While patients with other types of cancers and illnesses take marijuana to relieve their symptoms, people like Kubby use it to survive, he said.Although he hasn't known any other adrenal cancer patients who use pot, Connors said he was surprised to learn of its effectiveness from Kubby's case and would think about recommending it to others.*************This the story of one sick person and two doctors, one who has examined Steve Kubby and believes his story, and one who has never examined Steve Kubby and believes neither Steve Kubby nor the specialist currently treating Steve Kubby.This is like one of those questions on the tests kids take in school:Now, which of these three doesn't belong?I wish all of the answers were this easy.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #6 posted by ekim on January 13, 2006 at 10:03:52 PT
the big picture
today between 2 and 3 pm on NPR Science Friday the topic will include China and there need for oil and paper that will out strip the current global output.buyers of gas hybreds will get 3,400$ tax credit untill 60,000 cars are sold.
http://www.thehia.org
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Comment #5 posted by goneposthole on January 13, 2006 at 09:48:33 PT
more beer and pretzels, more power to Steve
Wasn't the doctor who was treating his cancer dumbfounded when he saw Steve on TV ads for his Libertarian Party bid for the governor's office?He couldn't believe he was still alive. If cannabis is keeping him alive, what's wrong with that?Give the man a fighting chance for his life. Leave him alone.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on January 13, 2006 at 08:40:50 PT
Quality of Life
Cannabis might not extend a person's life and research and time will continue to try to determine that but Cannabis does help with a person's Quality of Life. Quality of Life is more important then Length of Life.
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Comment #3 posted by whig on January 13, 2006 at 08:35:45 PT
Dr. Fred Meyers
So he doesn't think cannabis is an effective treatment, but he also doesn't think ANY pharmaceutical helps. In fact, cannabis has been demonstrated to exert substantial anticarcinogenic effects, but even if there is no curative or preventative benefit, it can hardly be deniable that it provides a tremendous palliative benefit.Whether it saves Steve's life or just prevents his suffering, no one has the right to deny him medicine that helps.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on January 13, 2006 at 07:36:45 PT
Cool Picture of Steve and Cheech
I had to smile when I read in this article that Steve and Cheech went to Cal State Northridge. My son went to that school and I got a top to bottom tour of it many years ago. It was one year before the Northridge quake which caused a lot of destruction to the school.http://www.kubby.com/CheechSteve.pdf
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Comment #1 posted by Sam Adams on January 13, 2006 at 07:35:43 PT
another Pharm article
No comment needed here, I'm sure everyone knows the point I'm trying to make:Pill accidents sicken many toddlers, study findsBy John Lauerman, Bloomberg | January 13, 2006Thousands of toddlers are sickened each year after taking medicines left unguarded by parents, grandparents, and other adults, the US government said.More than 53,000 toddlers in the United States went to hospital emergency rooms each year from 2001 to 2003 after unintentional drug poisonings, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta reported yesterday. At least 35 children died from drug accidents in 2002 alone.Children ages 4 and under found drugs in pillboxes or purses, or sitting out on counters where adults, including parents and grandparents, had left them, the study said. The findings show that access to drugs remained a danger to children even after requirements for childproof packaging cut poisonings almost in half from 1974 through 1992, the researchers said.''Don't assume that pillboxes or purses are safe places to keep medicine," said Dan Budnitz, a medical officer in CDC's Division of Health Care Quality Promotion who helped write the study. ''All parents and child caregivers should do their best to store medicine in secure cabinets or places that are out of children's reach."Many people who take multiple medications transfer their pills into pillboxes, sometimes marked for each day of the week, that may lack child protections, Budnitz said. More than 75 percent of the drug poisonings occurred in children's own homes.The vast majority of the children, 86 percent, were treated and released from the emergency room. About 5,000 of the children were admitted or sent for specialized care each year. Seventy-two percent of the children were 1 to 2 years old.Parents who want to reach the local poison control center can call 1-800-222-1222 to be automatically connected, the statement said. The number should be posted by all home telephones, it said.
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